From walter at frii.com Tue Mar 7 12:46:18 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work Message-ID: Hi, One quick thing: 1) I have "come into possession of" an extra copy of Damian Conway's "Object Oriented Perl" which increases the number of volumes in our lending library to 1. First person to arrange a pickup (Boulder) gets to borrow it first. Walter 303-494-3756 From SMSRussell at aol.com Tue Mar 7 13:02:17 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work Message-ID: <18.16c7072.25f6ac39@aol.com> Walter, Hi! I've recently moved to Boulder and found the Boulder pm group through the www.pm.org web page. I've noticed there is only the mention of one meeting on the Boulder pm website. Does the group have regular (or even irregular!) meetings? If so, I'd love to know when the next one is planned. I'm trying to teach myself oo perl using Conway's book and would enjoy speaking to other real live people about it (Does it show that I'm currently a stay at home mom?) Thanks, Susan Russell From walter at frii.com Tue Mar 7 13:48:43 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work In-Reply-To: <18.16c7072.25f6ac39@aol.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > Walter, > Hi! I've recently moved to Boulder and found the Boulder pm group through the > www.pm.org web page. I've noticed there is only the mention of one meeting on > the Boulder pm website. Does the group have regular (or even irregular!) > meetings? If so, I'd love to know when the next one is planned. I'm trying to > teach myself oo perl using Conway's book and would enjoy speaking to other > real live people about it (Does it show that I'm currently a stay at home > mom?) Thanks, > Susan Russell Hi, Susan, No regular meetings. We've had a grand total of 2 meetings, one at a restaurant and one about a month? ago over at CU. Boulder.pm isn't an old, venerable institution, but rather a startup. We're a loose association of ne'er-do-wells and law-abiding citizens, experts and neophytes, students, retirees, professional programmers and sheet-metal workers. This list goes through periodic convulsions of questions and chatter, which is usually of pretty high quality. If you have a question or an interesting opinion on something Perl-related, fire away! In fact, at the last meeting, OO Perl was a topic of conversation, so a few questions might start a thread. Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? Back to work I go. (grind grind grind) Walter From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Tue Mar 7 13:57:44 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112CD4@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> I've penciled in a Perl Monger's hike/outing for Monday, 20-Mar. By then, I'll try to accomplish some worthwhile reading of Conway's new book (which I now have). Jason (just a code hacker, by trade these days) -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2000 12:49 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work On Tue, 7 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > Walter, > Hi! I've recently moved to Boulder and found the Boulder pm group through the > www.pm.org web page. I've noticed there is only the mention of one meeting on > the Boulder pm website. Does the group have regular (or even irregular!) > meetings? If so, I'd love to know when the next one is planned. I'm trying to > teach myself oo perl using Conway's book and would enjoy speaking to other > real live people about it (Does it show that I'm currently a stay at home > mom?) Thanks, > Susan Russell Hi, Susan, No regular meetings. We've had a grand total of 2 meetings, one at a restaurant and one about a month? ago over at CU. Boulder.pm isn't an old, venerable institution, but rather a startup. We're a loose association of ne'er-do-wells and law-abiding citizens, experts and neophytes, students, retirees, professional programmers and sheet-metal workers. This list goes through periodic convulsions of questions and chatter, which is usually of pretty high quality. If you have a question or an interesting opinion on something Perl-related, fire away! In fact, at the last meeting, OO Perl was a topic of conversation, so a few questions might start a thread. Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? Back to work I go. (grind grind grind) Walter From jmaslak at mindspring.com Tue Mar 7 22:38:42 2000 From: jmaslak at mindspring.com (Joel Maslak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > In fact, at the last meeting, OO Perl was a topic of conversation, so > a few questions might start a thread. I know that I've actually built a large application where OO Perl was one of the key technologies used. I had very good luck, and can say that Perl did a lot of things right that other languages do wrong (I.E. force you to use objects when plain-ol-procedures work fine). I'd also be glad to answer "real world" OO questions, although I didn't read the book mentioned previously, and, thus may come at it from a different angle! > Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a > full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? That could be good... ;) -- Joel From wallen at boulder.nist.gov Wed Mar 8 11:25:18 2000 From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 7 Mar 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a > full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? Sounds like a great idea, but I don't believe I can make it this time around. - Wayde (wallen@boulder.nist.gov) From walter at frii.com Thu Mar 9 15:00:55 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] JOB: Perl programmers (fwd) Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 03 Mar 2000 15:07:57 +0000 From: Doug Toth To: walter@frii.com Subject: Perl programmers Walter, My name is Doug Toth with Compatible systems in Boulder, soon to be Cisco systems on march 24. I have pasteed in a job description, know anyone ??? Software Test Development 5 Senior Level positions - BSCS + 7 yrs Experience - Software Test Experience - Perl scripting a MUST HAVE - TCL Scripting a MUST HAVE - C with embedded background - TCP/IP a plus - Network protocol experience - VPN Tunneling experience a plus - Test equipment – Smart bits / IXIA - EDTS bug package a plus 5 Junior level positions – BSCS + 0-2 yrs exp. Thanks Doug From SMSRussell at aol.com Thu Mar 16 10:40:13 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work Message-ID: <9c.22fbaa7.2602686d@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/00 12:52:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, walter@frii.com writes: << Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? >> I think I could make that. What time does a full moon meeting start? Also, I hope you mean "hike" in the sense of "strolling along a path" rather than "arduous steep ascents"! Susan From SMSRussell at aol.com Thu Mar 16 10:44:20 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] oo perl Message-ID: <63.2fef1a5.26026964@aol.com> In a message dated 3/7/00 9:37:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, jmaslak@mindspring.com writes: << I'd also be glad to answer "real world" OO questions, although I didn't read the book mentioned previously, and, thus may come at it from a different angle! >> I'm not at the point yet of having "real-world" questions. I'm still struggling through the early chapters of Conway's book. Do you (or anyone else on the list) have any suggestions for not-too-difficult exercises to try and get started in oo? I like Conway's book, but he doesn't include any additional exercises for the reader, and I'm one of those people that works better being "forced" to solve a problem, rather than just looking over someone else's code! Thanks, Susan From justin.crawford at cusys.edu Thu Mar 16 11:25:01 2000 From: justin.crawford at cusys.edu (Justin Crawford) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: FW: [boulder.pm] oo perl Message-ID: <01BF8F31.E37183A0@crawford.cusys.edu> I'm just learning OO in perl myself (haven't got the book yet...), but one of the best things I did was to take a big old script of mine that was sloppy and ugly and functional, and envision it as a set of objects, and then recode it (surprisingly with a lot of the same code, just in different places). What I end up with is a much more useful set of thingies that are logically separated. And maintainable. I'm just deleting the remnants of the old procedural bear now. Or, if you like, you can try this one ( I think it's a pretty standard OO lesson, I got it in Java class ): Code yourself a circle class, and make circle objects with different radii. What do those objects need to be able to do? Well, they could have a method to 'set' the radius, a method to 'get' the radius, a method to calculate the circumference, one to calculate the area. Then code yourself a driver to interface with the user, ask the user how many circles and what radius each should start with, and present the user with various things to do to a particular circle object. The driver instantiates the circles and sends them messages. Our next project is to code a business card application. So there is a business card class, a field class, and a driver. Objects of the business card class contain one or more objects of the field class, and the driver prompts users to choose an operation. Possible operations: -make card (set size, texture, color, number of fields [which then opens up the edit field dialogue, and the field object attributes are: text, fontsize, x-coordinate, y-coordinate]) -view card (I'm a unix guy, so I just get the cards specs and dump them in text to the screen, i.e. "size = 2 x 3") -edit card You have the added complexity in #2 of having multiple card objects, each of which is associated with multiple field objects. The driver is still the hardest part of this, but dealing with the objects in the driver makes you really think about datastructures and methods and junk. Anyway, hope it's useful, have a good day. Don't forget to throw a snowball. justin PS: I'm sorry if this langage is javacentric, I'm learning perl by myself and Java in a class so I get all that stuff pushed in. Flame away y'all! Justin Crawford Oracle DBA Group University Management Systems (303) 492-9083 justin.crawford@cusys.edu -----Original Message----- From: SMSRussell@aol.com [SMTP:SMSRussell@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:44 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] oo perl In a message dated 3/7/00 9:37:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, jmaslak@mindspring.com writes: << I'd also be glad to answer "real world" OO questions, although I didn't read the book mentioned previously, and, thus may come at it from a different angle! >> I'm not at the point yet of having "real-world" questions. I'm still struggling through the early chapters of Conway's book. Do you (or anyone else on the list) have any suggestions for not-too-difficult exercises to try and get started in oo? I like Conway's book, but he doesn't include any additional exercises for the reader, and I'm one of those people that works better being "forced" to solve a problem, rather than just looking over someone else's code! Thanks, Susan From justin.crawford at cusys.edu Thu Mar 16 12:36:12 2000 From: justin.crawford at cusys.edu (Justin Crawford) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] oo perl Message-ID: <01BF8F3B.D55B0DE0@crawford.cusys.edu> Hi Susan- I sent a reply to this to the group, but I know that the OO jargon is pretty heavy. If you want, I can try and get the original project descriptions from my Java class and send them, or I can describe the circle project in more detail. It's a good one to help solidify the concept of objects and how code gets from lines of text into a memory space containing an "object". Let me know. :) justin Justin Crawford Oracle DBA Group University Management Systems (303) 492-9083 justin.crawford@cusys.edu -----Original Message----- From: SMSRussell@aol.com [SMTP:SMSRussell@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 9:44 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] oo perl In a message dated 3/7/00 9:37:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, jmaslak@mindspring.com writes: << I'd also be glad to answer "real world" OO questions, although I didn't read the book mentioned previously, and, thus may come at it from a different angle! >> I'm not at the point yet of having "real-world" questions. I'm still struggling through the early chapters of Conway's book. Do you (or anyone else on the list) have any suggestions for not-too-difficult exercises to try and get started in oo? I like Conway's book, but he doesn't include any additional exercises for the reader, and I'm one of those people that works better being "forced" to solve a problem, rather than just looking over someone else's code! Thanks, Susan -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/ms-tnef Size: 2992 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/boulder-pm/attachments/20000316/8289268d/attachment.bin From davek at saturn5.com Thu Mar 16 20:51:04 2000 From: davek at saturn5.com (Dave) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work In-Reply-To: <9c.22fbaa7.2602686d@aol.com> Message-ID: you all should check out settlers park with a full moon the trail is fairly visible. plus it is real close to town you all can overlook perl street i'd be envious... living in sf now, but missin' boulder and my friends. On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:40:13 EST > From: SMSRussell@aol.com > Reply-To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work > > In a message dated 3/7/00 12:52:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, walter@frii.com > writes: > << Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a > full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? >> > > I think I could make that. What time does a full moon meeting start? Also, I > hope you mean "hike" in the sense of "strolling along a path" rather than > "arduous steep ascents"! > > Susan > From davek at saturn5.com Thu Mar 16 20:53:41 2000 From: davek at saturn5.com (Dave) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] oo perl In-Reply-To: <63.2fef1a5.26026964@aol.com> Message-ID: have you typed man perltoot yet? On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 11:44:20 EST > From: SMSRussell@aol.com > Reply-To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] oo perl > > In a message dated 3/7/00 9:37:24 PM Mountain Standard Time, > jmaslak@mindspring.com writes: > << I'd also be glad to > answer "real world" OO questions, although I didn't read the book > mentioned previously, and, thus may come at it from a different angle! >> > > I'm not at the point yet of having "real-world" questions. I'm still > struggling through the early chapters of Conway's book. Do you (or anyone > else on the list) have any suggestions for not-too-difficult exercises to try > and get started in oo? I like Conway's book, but he doesn't include any > additional exercises for the reader, and I'm one of those people that works > better being "forced" to solve a problem, rather than just looking over > someone else's code! > Thanks, > Susan > From walter at frii.com Fri Mar 17 15:52:12 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work In-Reply-To: <9c.22fbaa7.2602686d@aol.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/7/00 12:52:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, walter@frii.com > writes: > << Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a > full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? >> > > I think I could make that. What time does a full moon meeting start? Also, I > hope you mean "hike" in the sense of "strolling along a path" rather than > "arduous steep ascents"! > > Susan Well, according to the U.S. Naval Observatory, moonrise in Boulder on 20 March will be at 18:58 MST (6:58 PM). So . . . err . . . meet at 6:30? Now, as for where to go. Hmm. Okay, Susan, you've convinced me: no arduous steep ascent. (I'm a broken man anyway, having just moved a whole household worth of stuff to a new place. My back . . . my back . . .) I'd kind of like to meet at the southern terminus of the Mesa trail. Lots of meadows and side trails (Towhee, e.g.) to meander through under a full moon. Howzat: 6:30 PM Monday at the edge of the parking lot and the southen end of the Mesa trail. Oh, if anyone needs a ride from town, holler. I'll be coming down the Diagonal and can make a stop or two. Walter From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Fri Mar 17 16:00:23 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112D80@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> The southern end of Mesa trail as in the trail head off of Eldorado Springs Road? Sorry, I'm new here and don't want to end up in the wrong place. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Friday, March 17, 2000 2:52 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work On Thu, 16 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 3/7/00 12:52:13 PM Mountain Standard Time, walter@frii.com > writes: > << Aw, here's an informal meeting idea: Would anyone be interested in a > full-moon hike/outing on Monday 20 March? >> > > I think I could make that. What time does a full moon meeting start? Also, I > hope you mean "hike" in the sense of "strolling along a path" rather than > "arduous steep ascents"! > > Susan Well, according to the U.S. Naval Observatory, moonrise in Boulder on 20 March will be at 18:58 MST (6:58 PM). So . . . err . . . meet at 6:30? Now, as for where to go. Hmm. Okay, Susan, you've convinced me: no arduous steep ascent. (I'm a broken man anyway, having just moved a whole household worth of stuff to a new place. My back . . . my back . . .) I'd kind of like to meet at the southern terminus of the Mesa trail. Lots of meadows and side trails (Towhee, e.g.) to meander through under a full moon. Howzat: 6:30 PM Monday at the edge of the parking lot and the southen end of the Mesa trail. Oh, if anyone needs a ride from town, holler. I'll be coming down the Diagonal and can make a stop or two. Walter From walter at frii.com Fri Mar 17 16:04:36 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] a faint hello from beneath a pile of work In-Reply-To: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112D80@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 17 Mar 2000, Jason Van Slyke wrote: > The southern end of Mesa trail as in the trail head off of Eldorado Springs > Road? > Sorry, I'm new here and don't want to end up in the wrong place. > > Jason >> Howzat: 6:30 PM Monday at the edge of the parking lot and the southen >> end of the Mesa trail. >> >> Oh, if anyone needs a ride from town, holler. I'll be coming down the >> Diagonal and can make a stop or two. >> >> Walter Yes, exactly. If anyone's not sure where that is, I an give specific directions. Walter From walter at frii.com Mon Mar 20 14:32:39 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:16 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one extra headlamp . . . Walter From CWA at DISC.com Mon Mar 20 15:16:58 2000 From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: Could you repost the location? I may decide to do something crazy like that. Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. > > Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go > for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 > pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one > extra headlamp . . . > > Walter > From walter at frii.com Mon Mar 20 15:21:27 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, South end of the Mesa trail, 6:30 PM. (That's the end down near Eldorado Springs State Park.) Walter On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, William Atkinson wrote: > Could you repost the location? I may decide to do something crazy like > that. > > Chip > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM > > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > > > > Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. > > > > Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go > > for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 > > pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one > > extra headlamp . . . > > > > Walter > > > From walter at frii.com Mon Mar 20 15:25:56 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Springs^WCanyon On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote: > Hi, > > South end of the Mesa trail, 6:30 PM. (That's the end > down near Eldorado Springs State Park.) > > Walter > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, William Atkinson wrote: > > > Could you repost the location? I may decide to do something crazy like > > that. > > > > Chip > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM > > > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > > Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > > > > > > > Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. > > > > > > Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go > > > for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 > > > pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one > > > extra headlamp . . . > > > > > > Walter > > > > > > From SMSRussell at aol.com Mon Mar 20 16:36:12 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: <5a.2ba079c.260801dc@aol.com> In a message dated 3/20/00 1:35:58 PM Mountain Standard Time, walter@frii.com writes: << Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go for a hike tonight at 6:30? >> Well, I was planning on going, but it's awfully cold out there, brrrrrrrr. I may still go, but please don't wait on me! Susan From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Tue Mar 21 10:29:37 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112D89@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> PM gang, I was off sick yesterday so didn't respond to the messages. Wouldn't have gone on the hike in the snow anyway. Another time?! Jason -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one extra headlamp . . . Walter From CWA at DISC.com Tue Mar 21 10:38:18 2000 From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: Too bad you missed it. It was nice. It wasn't too snowy or too cold. Once we got moving a little bit I was glad I didn't bring the really heavy clothing. The snow was no deeper than about 3" in a few spots and we took the wide trail which allowed more chatting. All in all, it was a good social type activity. Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Van Slyke [mailto:jvanslyk@matchlogic.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:30 AM > To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' > Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > PM gang, > > I was off sick yesterday so didn't respond to the messages. > Wouldn't have gone on the hike in the snow anyway. > > Another time?! > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. > > Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go > for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 > pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one > extra headlamp . . . > > Walter > From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Tue Mar 21 10:50:38 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112D8B@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Lament, lament! I got struck by a virus and had all I could do to set in the recliner last night. How many made the walk? For that matter, how many made the get-together at CU a few weeks ago? Jason -----Original Message----- From: William Atkinson [mailto:CWA@DISC.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:38 AM To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Too bad you missed it. It was nice. It wasn't too snowy or too cold. Once we got moving a little bit I was glad I didn't bring the really heavy clothing. The snow was no deeper than about 3" in a few spots and we took the wide trail which allowed more chatting. All in all, it was a good social type activity. Chip > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Van Slyke [mailto:jvanslyk@matchlogic.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:30 AM > To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' > Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > PM gang, > > I was off sick yesterday so didn't respond to the messages. > Wouldn't have gone on the hike in the snow anyway. > > Another time?! > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. > > Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go > for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 > pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one > extra headlamp . . . > > Walter > From CWA at DISC.com Tue Mar 21 12:28:27 2000 From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: There were three of us on the hike, Walter, Joel, and me. It was the first activity that I attended so I can't comment on the CU thing. I'll probably start attending more of them though... > -----Original Message----- > From: Jason Van Slyke [mailto:jvanslyk@matchlogic.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:51 AM > To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' > Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > Lament, lament! I got struck by a virus and had all I could > do to set in the > recliner last night. > > How many made the walk? For that matter, how many made the > get-together at > CU a few weeks ago? > > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Atkinson [mailto:CWA@DISC.com] > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:38 AM > To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' > Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > Too bad you missed it. It was nice. It wasn't too snowy or > too cold. Once > we got moving a little bit I was glad I didn't bring the really heavy > clothing. The snow was no deeper than about 3" in a few > spots and we took > the wide trail which allowed more chatting. > All in all, it was a good social type activity. > > Chip > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jason Van Slyke [mailto:jvanslyk@matchlogic.com] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 21, 2000 9:30 AM > > To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org' > > Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > > > > PM gang, > > > > I was off sick yesterday so didn't respond to the messages. > > Wouldn't have gone on the hike in the snow anyway. > > > > Another time?! > > > > Jason > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 1:33 PM > > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > > Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . > > > > > > Well, I dunno about that moon tonight. > > > > Is there anyone on this list who would still like to go > > for a hike tonight at 6:30? I can scrounge up about 5 > > pairs of gaiters (keeps snow out of your boots) and one > > extra headlamp . . . > > > > Walter > > > From walter at frii.com Wed Mar 22 10:50:02 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, William Atkinson wrote: > There were three of us on the hike, Walter, Joel, and me. It was the first > activity that I attended so I can't comment on the CU thing. I'll probably > start attending more of them though... Chip pretty much summed up the hike. We wandered up toward the Matron, which was totally invisible in the low-hanging clouds. It was a super-duper hike and the weather was actually pretty nice. High-quality snowflakes. As for the CU thing, people wandered in and out -- 6 to 10 people showed up, I think, but I wasn't counting. The high point of the meeting came late, maybe, when Jay Kominek led a Mach 4 overflight of his IRCbot Perl code. It looked like the kind of thing that could have eaten up an hour, and it certainly looked like the kind of well-constructed code that can teach good habits by examination or verbal disassembly, but MAN! he was paging down faster than my eyes could focus. Too much good coffee, I guess. Next time, I'll try to find his pedagogue switch and get it turned on. Walter From SMSRussell at aol.com Wed Mar 22 11:39:28 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: From SMSRussell at aol.com Wed Mar 22 13:04:20 2000 From: SMSRussell at aol.com (SMSRussell@aol.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . Message-ID: In a message dated 3/22/00 10:04:19 AM Mountain Standard Time, walter@frii.com writes: << Chip pretty much summed up the hike. We wandered up toward the Matron, which was totally invisible in the low-hanging clouds. It was a super-duper hike and the weather was actually pretty nice. High-quality snowflakes. >> First off, sorry about that blank message! My 2-yr-old was sitting in my lap and managed to hit the "reply" button and then send the reply without even trying to (at least I don't think she was trying to.....) Sorry I missed the hike, sounds like it was fun. I do like the idea of outdoor meetings in general. Susan From walter at frii.com Wed Mar 22 15:11:17 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] uh, about that hike . . . In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Mar 2000 SMSRussell@aol.com wrote: > First off, sorry about that blank message! My 2-yr-old was sitting in my lap > and managed to hit the "reply" button and then send the reply without even > trying to (at least I don't think she was trying to.....) > Sorry I missed the hike, sounds like it was fun. I do like the idea of > outdoor meetings in general. > > Susan Well, suggest a day and a time. I could use more excuses to get away from this computer, personally, and the Mountain Park is just too cool . . . Walter From walter at frii.com Fri Mar 31 11:53:24 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing Message-ID: Yes, well, it's been a hell of a week. Anyone feel like an evening jaunt out into the snow, against the more prominent outcrops of the Laramide Uprising? I.e., anyone want to go for a hike up near them there hills just west of town? We can even talk about Perl, some. This afternoon, tonight, I ain't picky . . . Walter From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Fri Mar 31 13:02:08 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112E39@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> pm'ers, I'm meeting my wife in about 15 minutes for lunch. Let me see what is on the docket and I'll get back to you after lunch. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 10:53 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing Yes, well, it's been a hell of a week. Anyone feel like an evening jaunt out into the snow, against the more prominent outcrops of the Laramide Uprising? I.e., anyone want to go for a hike up near them there hills just west of town? We can even talk about Perl, some. This afternoon, tonight, I ain't picky . . . Walter From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Fri Mar 31 15:33:39 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112E3D@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Looks like I can make it after work. Where and when do we meet? Jason -----Original Message----- From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 10:53 AM To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing Yes, well, it's been a hell of a week. Anyone feel like an evening jaunt out into the snow, against the more prominent outcrops of the Laramide Uprising? I.e., anyone want to go for a hike up near them there hills just west of town? We can even talk about Perl, some. This afternoon, tonight, I ain't picky . . . Walter From bcollins at csd.net Fri Mar 31 15:41:26 2000 From: bcollins at csd.net (Bob Collins) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question Message-ID: <38E51B86.DA3FB70C@csd.net> I have a number files I want to rename to lower case, so I went my "Perl Cookbook" and found exactly what I needed, "rename" on page 327 in my book. The "rename" script is sent as an attachment. The script can be executed as: rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' * This should change files to lowercase. If you understand the " unless /^Make/ " part I would be interested in an explanation. I am trying to get it to work in it's simplest form, "rename file.name newfile.name". I create a file AB.C and try to rename it to ab.c by executing: perl -d name AB.C ab.c I watch it step throug with no errors. The script terminates without changing anything because $was is equal to $_. Which it is set to in the script. This script is attributed to Larry Wall, but I think something must be missing or incorrect in the script. Help will be appreciated, I have spent a great deal of time on it with no success. -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net -------------- next part -------------- #!/usr/bin/perl -w # rename - Larry's filename fixer $op = shift or die "Usage: rename expr [files]\n"; chomp(@ARGV = ) unless @ARGV; for (@ARGV) { $was = $_; eval $op; die $@ if $@; rename($was,$_) unless $was eq $_; } From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Fri Mar 31 16:02:03 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112E3F@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Bob, Being rudimentary, I floundered around in my ref lib here in my office. "Learning Perl" shows an example of using the rename function on p135/6. I'll give this a try too, but you might be able to do something on this order: foreach $oldfile (<*.pl>) { $newfile = lc($oldfile) ; rename ($oldfile, $newfile) ; } Jason -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins [mailto:bcollins@csd.net] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:41 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question I have a number files I want to rename to lower case, so I went my "Perl Cookbook" and found exactly what I needed, "rename" on page 327 in my book. The "rename" script is sent as an attachment. The script can be executed as: rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' * This should change files to lowercase. If you understand the " unless /^Make/ " part I would be interested in an explanation. I am trying to get it to work in it's simplest form, "rename file.name newfile.name". I create a file AB.C and try to rename it to ab.c by executing: perl -d name AB.C ab.c I watch it step throug with no errors. The script terminates without changing anything because $was is equal to $_. Which it is set to in the script. This script is attributed to Larry Wall, but I think something must be missing or incorrect in the script. Help will be appreciated, I have spent a great deal of time on it with no success. -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net From bcollins at csd.net Fri Mar 31 16:05:19 2000 From: bcollins at csd.net (Bob Collins) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Re: [lug] Perl question References: <38E51B86.DA3FB70C@csd.net> Message-ID: <38E5211F.1C1881B@csd.net> Hi, Just as I hit the send button I thought of one more thing. I changed the sixth line down from "$was = $_" to "$was = $op". This worked, but I am not sure if it is the best way to do it. -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net From micah at webdezyne.com Fri Mar 31 16:21:05 2000 From: micah at webdezyne.com (Micah R. Condon) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question In-Reply-To: <38E51B86.DA3FB70C@csd.net> Message-ID: <001001bf9b5f$67aaabe0$b2041f26@a> Hi Bob - The problem is in your command line arguments: you don't need quotes around the 'tr/A-Z/a-z / unless /^Make/' - with the quotes in place, my system would just see a string but not try to evaluate the translation. Without the quotes, it worked for me. the 'unless /^Make/' part excludes any files that begin with 'Make', like Makefile.pl the command perl -d name AB.C ab.c wouldn't work with this script, because 'AB.C' would be seen as a command to evaluate, rather than as a filename. Instead, you'd want to use something like this: #!/usr/bin/perl -w # rename - Micah's filename fixer :-) $file1 = shift; $file2 = shift; rename($file1,$file2) unless $file1 eq $file2; You could also set $op = 'tr/A-Z/a-z'; instead of always supplying a command line argument Hope that helps! Micah R. Condon, Owner Webdezyne: Affordable Custom Web Programming ------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------- http://www.webdezyne.com * micahc@webdezyne.com * 1-800-863-2740 -----Original Message----- From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Bob Collins Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:41 PM To: undisclosed-recipients:; Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question I have a number files I want to rename to lower case, so I went my "Perl Cookbook" and found exactly what I needed, "rename" on page 327 in my book. The "rename" script is sent as an attachment. The script can be executed as: rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' * This should change files to lowercase. If you understand the " unless /^Make/ " part I would be interested in an explanation. I am trying to get it to work in it's simplest form, "rename file.name newfile.name". I create a file AB.C and try to rename it to ab.c by executing: perl -d name AB.C ab.c I watch it step throug with no errors. The script terminates without changing anything because $was is equal to $_. Which it is set to in the script. This script is attributed to Larry Wall, but I think something must be missing or incorrect in the script. Help will be appreciated, I have spent a great deal of time on it with no success. -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/boulder-pm/attachments/20000331/e49fdaa9/attachment.htm From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com Fri Mar 31 16:20:50 2000 From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question Message-ID: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112E40@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Bob, Ok, here is what I did: #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w # change uc file names of lc file names ; foreach $oldfile (<*.pl>) { $newfile = lc($oldfile) ; print "\n\$oldfile=$oldfile\n\$newfile=$newfile\n\n" ; rename ($oldfile, $newfile) ; } foreach $filename (<*.pl>) { print "\n\$filename=$filename\n\n" ; } With these results: /data01/jvsdev/trythis:>perl -w renthis.pl $oldfile=AB.pl $newfile=ab.pl $oldfile=renthis.pl $newfile=renthis.pl $filename=ab.pl $filename=renthis.pl Looks like it works to me. Not elegant; but useful, simple & understandable. Jason -----Original Message----- From: Bob Collins [mailto:bcollins@csd.net] Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:41 PM To: undisclosed-recipients Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question I have a number files I want to rename to lower case, so I went my "Perl Cookbook" and found exactly what I needed, "rename" on page 327 in my book. The "rename" script is sent as an attachment. The script can be executed as: rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' * This should change files to lowercase. If you understand the " unless /^Make/ " part I would be interested in an explanation. I am trying to get it to work in it's simplest form, "rename file.name newfile.name". I create a file AB.C and try to rename it to ab.c by executing: perl -d name AB.C ab.c I watch it step throug with no errors. The script terminates without changing anything because $was is equal to $_. Which it is set to in the script. This script is attributed to Larry Wall, but I think something must be missing or incorrect in the script. Help will be appreciated, I have spent a great deal of time on it with no success. -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net From walter at frii.com Fri Mar 31 16:22:54 2000 From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing In-Reply-To: <5FE9B713CCCDD311A03400508B8B3013112E3D@bdr-xcln.is.matchlogic.com> Message-ID: Hi, Well, if nobody else is interested (now's the time to wave your hand), give me a call and we'll figure it out off-line. Walter 303-527-0934 On Fri, 31 Mar 2000, Jason Van Slyke wrote: > Looks like I can make it after work. Where and when do we meet? > Jason > > -----Original Message----- > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com] > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 10:53 AM > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org > Subject: [boulder.pm] Winter Outing > > > Yes, well, it's been a hell of a week. > > Anyone feel like an evening jaunt out into the snow, > against the more prominent outcrops of the Laramide > Uprising? I.e., anyone want to go for a hike up near > them there hills just west of town? We can even talk > about Perl, some. > > This afternoon, tonight, I ain't picky . . . > > Walter > From wellsj at cs.colorado.edu Fri Mar 31 16:21:22 2000 From: wellsj at cs.colorado.edu (Jason Wells) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question References: <38E51B86.DA3FB70C@csd.net> Message-ID: <38E524E2.B4519E77@cs.colorado.edu> Bob Collins wrote: > The "rename" script is sent as an attachment. The script can be > executed as: > > rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' * > > This should change files to lowercase. If you understand the " unless > /^Make/ " part I would be interested in an explanation. This is so Makefiles aren't renamed so 'make' can still find them. > I am trying to get it to work in it's simplest form, "rename file.name > newfile.name". I create a file AB.C and try to rename it to ab.c by > executing: > > perl -d name AB.C ab.c > > I watch it step throug with no errors. The script terminates without > changing anything because $was is equal to $_. Which it is set to in > the script. You're not passing an operation to the script. That's what the 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' is for. It becomes $op, which is later evaluated on each file. This allows the script to handle all sorts of different operations through regular expressions. So, to do what you wanted to do you'd execute: perl -d name 'tr/A-Z/a-z/' AB.C -Jason From bcollins at csd.net Fri Mar 31 16:27:36 2000 From: bcollins at csd.net (Bob Collins) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question References: <001001bf9b5f$67aaabe0$b2041f26@a> Message-ID: <38E52658.1A902978@csd.net> > "Micah R. Condon" wrote: > > Hi Bob - > > The problem is in your command line arguments: > you don't need quotes around the 'tr/A-Z/a-z / unless /^Make/' - with > the quotes in place, my system would just see a string but not try to > evaluate the translation. Without the quotes, it worked for me. > > the 'unless /^Make/' part excludes any files that begin with 'Make', > like Makefile.pl > > the command perl -d name AB.C ab.c wouldn't work with this script, > because 'AB.C' would be seen as a command to evaluate, rather than as > a filename. Instead, you'd want to use something like this: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > # rename - Micah's filename fixer :-) > $file1 = shift; > $file2 = shift; > rename($file1,$file2) unless $file1 eq $file2; > > You could also set $op = 'tr/A-Z/a-z'; instead of always supplying a > command line argument > > Hope that helps! > > Micah R. Condon, Owner > Webdezyne: Affordable Custom Web Programming > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > http://www.webdezyne.com * micahc@webdezyne.com * 1-800-863-2740 > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org > [mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Bob Collins > Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 2:41 PM > To: undisclosed-recipients:; > Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl question > > I have a number files I want to rename to lower case, so I went my > "Perl > Cookbook" and found exactly what I needed, "rename" on page 327 in my > book. The "rename" script is sent as an attachment. The script can > be > executed as: > > rename 'tr/A-Z/a-z/ unless /^Make/' * > > This should change files to lowercase. If you understand the " unless > /^Make/ " part I would be interested in an explanation. > > I am trying to get it to work in it's simplest form, "rename file.name > newfile.name". I create a file AB.C and try to rename it to ab.c by > executing: > > perl -d name AB.C ab.c > > I watch it step throug with no errors. The script terminates without > changing anything because $was is equal to $_. Which it is set to in > the script. > > This script is attributed to Larry Wall, but I think something must be > missing or incorrect in the script. > > Help will be appreciated, I have spent a great deal of time on it with > no success. > > -- > Regards, > Bob Collins > Mailto:bcollins@csd.net -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net From bcollins at csd.net Fri Mar 31 16:51:17 2000 From: bcollins at csd.net (Bob Collins) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:58:17 2004 Subject: [boulder.pm] Re: Perl question References: <38E51B86.DA3FB70C@csd.net> <38E524E2.B4519E77@cs.colorado.edu> Message-ID: <38E52BE5.89E158F0@csd.net> Thanks for all the help Evelyn, Ken, Jason, Micah and Sam . After changing the 6th line of the script it seemed to work fine. I sent a note to O'Reilly asking them to check it out. I wish I had ask for help a couple of hours before. -- Regards, Bob Collins Mailto:bcollins@csd.net