From walter at frii.com  Thu Jan 13 11:43:05 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: Boulder.PM
In-Reply-To: <200001130006.RAA56060@deimos.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001121941540.38475-100000@io.frii.com>

On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Hank Turowski wrote:

> Id love to know when the next meeting for Boulder.PM is. I'm new to
> Colorado, and am looking for friends. 8)
> 
> Hank

Hi, Hank,

Just the excuse I need to leave my work stuff alone for a few minutes!

It *is* about time for another meeting.  How 'bout in 15 minutes at
the Dark Horse?

Seriously, though, who's up for another meeting?  Same night? different?
Another fine Boulder-area restaurant/pub?  How 'bout a long, grueling
hike in the high country with SPAM sandwiches for lunch?

Walter




From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Thu Jan 13 12:11:04 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: Boulder.PM
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC5C0@houston.matchlogic.com>

Boulder.PM'ers

I too am "new" to the area. (Well, ok, we arrived in April, 99.)
But this will be my first Perl Users meeting (ever).

Keep me posted. Prefer not on Tue and Thu nights.

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2000 10:43 AM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Cc: hank.turowski@firstworld.net
Subject: Re: Boulder.PM


On Wed, 12 Jan 2000, Hank Turowski wrote:

> Id love to know when the next meeting for Boulder.PM is. I'm new to
> Colorado, and am looking for friends. 8)
> 
> Hank

Hi, Hank,

Just the excuse I need to leave my work stuff alone for a few minutes!

It *is* about time for another meeting.  How 'bout in 15 minutes at
the Dark Horse?

Seriously, though, who's up for another meeting?  Same night? different?
Another fine Boulder-area restaurant/pub?  How 'bout a long, grueling
hike in the high country with SPAM sandwiches for lunch?

Walter



From sstone at ksofttech.com  Mon Jan  3 14:35:16 2000
From: sstone at ksofttech.com (sstone@ksofttech.com)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: Boulder.PM
In-Reply-To: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC5C0@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <20000113203440.WKXL25150.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c-54244-a>

I'd love to attend a meeting as well. New to Perl, and fairly new to 
Denver. The hike sounds great...not so sure about the spam 
sandwiches though<g>. And to make matters even more difficult, 
Tuesdays and Thursdays are the only good nights for me (I teach a 
computer class for native american kids at a non-profit on 
Mon/Wed/Fri). Let me know what everyone decides!

From hank.turowski at firstworld.net  Thu Jan 13 15:17:16 2000
From: hank.turowski at firstworld.net (Hank Turowski)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: Boulder.PM
In-Reply-To: <20000113203440.WKXL25150.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c-54244-a>
References: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC5C0@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <200001132114.QAA02612@happyfunball.pm.org>

Thursday works for me. Tuesdays are out. I have a class myself. 8)

Hank

At 01:35 PM 1/3/00 -0700, you wrote:
>I'd love to attend a meeting as well. New to Perl, and fairly new to 
>Denver. The hike sounds great...not so sure about the spam 
>sandwiches though<g>. And to make matters even more difficult, 
>Tuesdays and Thursdays are the only good nights for me (I teach a 
>computer class for native american kids at a non-profit on 
>Mon/Wed/Fri). Let me know what everyone decides!
> 


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From: Robert.L.Harris at rnd-consulting.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: IPC::Shareable
Message-ID: <20000118095916.J28603@rnd-consulting.com>



Is anyone using IPC::Shareable?

I'm trying to use it so some children can pass up info to the parent
before they die.  So far this looks to be the cleanest way.  When I
try to read $buffer (almost directly from the PCB) I get this error:

Buffer is
Uncaught exception from user code:
        IPC::Shareable::FETCH: semctl returned false: Invalid argument at ./encodeit line 165
        Carp::croak('IPC::Shareable::FETCH: semctl returned false: Invalid argument') called at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/IPC/Shareable.pm line 114
        IPC::Shareable::FETCH('IPC::Shareable=SCALAR(0x8297454)') called at ./encodeit line 165


I rebuilt Storable and IPC::Shareable cleanly right before I ran this.

Anyone have any thoughts?  

Robert



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From CWA at DISC.com  Tue Jan 18 13:11:31 2000
From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: select on NT question
Message-ID: <E71EB977BB95D211A18000104B106354815591@wnt2.disc.com>

Greetings,

I'm trying to use select to read from a pipe on NT.  When I run the same
script on Linux it works of course.  Does anyone know if I'm doing something
grossly wrong or if this functionality is not supported?

Thanks in advance,
Chip

Here's the script:

#!/usr/bin/perl

use strict;

use IO::Select;
use IO::File;
use IO::Handle qw (_IONBF);

use vars qw ($fh $select @ready);
use vars qw ($can_loop);

$| = 1;

$fh = new IO::File ("./datescroll 1 |");
if (defined ($fh))
{
   print ("Opened file.  Yay\n");
}

$select = new IO::Select ($fh);

$fh->setbuf (_IONBF);

$can_loop = 1;
while ($can_loop == 1)
{

# If I just put this in on NT, I can actually get the output of the
# datescroll script.  
#
# print ("Count of select handles: ", $select->count, "\n");
#         print ($fh->getline);

if (@ready = $select->can_read)
{
   foreach $fh (@ready)
   {
      if (!eof ($fh))
      {
         print ($fh->getline);
      }
      else
      {
         $can_loop = 0;
      }
   }
}
}
undef ($fh);

-----------------------
Here's datescroll:
(I put the date > datefile in to prove that the script ran even if the
output never made it to the perl script)

#!/bin/sh

if [ $# -eq 0 ]; then
  time=1
else
  time=$1
fi 

date > datefile
let i=1
while :; do
   echo $i $(uname -n) $$
   let i=$((i + 1))
   sleep $time 
   if [ $i -gt 5 ]; then
     date >> datefile
     exit
   fi
done

From walter at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 13:46:03 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>

This list is pretty quiet -- damn quiet -- as lists go.  I 
made a deliberate decision when I started it: stay in the
background and let it evolve into something the group wanted,
rather than trying to control or direct it.

But I'm wondering if that was a good strategy.  And if this group
is in danger of dying for lack of something.  If so, I'd like to
find out what that something is.

Feedback time.  Stop lurking, put your fingers on the keyboards,
and tell us why you're here, what you hoped the list/group would
be, and what needs to happen to get it there.  Please. 

I'll go first.

I was hoping for a group that existed not just on a mailing list,
but that got together once in a while -- eat and drink, talk, whatever.
At work we have a tech mailing list where we ask questions, forward
URLs or interesting technical things we've found or learned, joke
around, abuse each other good-naturedly.  We also get together for
lunch once a month or so, or to make a bookstore run, and it all
flows together pretty naturally.  (This last sentence is more
historical:  since I'm now a full-time telecommuter for them, New
Jersey is too far to go to have lunch.)

I knew that Denver had a Perl Mongers group, but for me that's
too far away.  I have a wife and three daughters, and between work
and my kid shuttle service, my free time is worth a lot.  Besides,
I'm not big on drinking and driving, and, well, Denver just wasn't
piquing my interest.

So I was looking for a way to hang out once in a while with some
folks who do what I do.  A mix of list activity and actual getting
together.  Maybe get away sometimes from the usual "let's have beer"
geek stereotype and go do something outside or something.

I haven't gone ahead and scheduled another meeting, but I didn't
get many responses when I asked about preferred times/date.  Would
it be easier if I just scheduled it rather than trying for some kind
of consensus to develop?

And what about those meetings?  Do you want formal "Tuturial on something"
style meetings, or a place to hang out and brag, or a mix, or . . .
what?  How often?

We have 48 people on the list, each of whom was interested enough to
sign up.  What do you want?

Walter

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From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Thu Jan 20 15:35:52 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000120141840.16291G-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote:

> This list is pretty quiet -- damn quiet -- as lists go.  I 
> made a deliberate decision when I started it: stay in the
> background and let it evolve into something the group wanted,
> rather than trying to control or direct it.
> 
> But I'm wondering if that was a good strategy.

My experience in setting up around 10 different mailing lists is that the
"hands off" approach never works.  Someone has to be willing to drive the
conversation for a while.  It takes time for people to get to know each
other.  You also have to have some continuous information content to keep
people interested and to attract new subscribers.  None of my mailing
lists have ever really had self maintaining discussions until they reached
a subscriber base of 200+ people.  At least not anything resembling
continuous conversation.

> And if this group
> is in danger of dying for lack of something.  If so, I'd like to
> find out what that something is.

I don't think I've seen anything that indicates the group is dying.  I
just haven't seen anything that begs for my participation yet. 

> Feedback time.  Stop lurking, put your fingers on the keyboards,
> and tell us why you're here, what you hoped the list/group would
> be, and what needs to happen to get it there.  Please. 

I have only just recently gotten involved with Perl programming, and
figured this list would be a good place to hang out and ask questions.  I
also am the founder of the Boulder Linux Users group (BLUG), and wanted to
keep up to date on Perl/Linux activities in the area. 

> I haven't gone ahead and scheduled another meeting, but I didn't
> get many responses when I asked about preferred times/date.  Would
> it be easier if I just scheduled it rather than trying for some kind
> of consensus to develop?

You probably will never get a consensus.  Just pick a time and place and
see who shows up.  

> And what about those meetings?  Do you want formal "Tuturial on something"
> style meetings, or a place to hang out and brag, or a mix, or . . .
> what?  How often?

I've had good luck with the BLUG meetings where we find someone to talk
about something before hand.  This gives you something to advertise, and
minimizes getting a group of people together to sit around and stare at
each other (some of the first BLUG meetings were like this).  I wouldn't
make if "formal", but it does help to have something going on.

> We have 48 people on the list, each of whom was interested enough to
> sign up.  What do you want?

I'm guessing that like most people the primary reason I signed up is
because this is, or can be, a source of good information and contacts.
How this is accomplished is really not that critical, and kind of depends
on what the person leading this thing wants to contribute.

- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)


From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Thu Jan 20 15:14:30 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC63C@houston.matchlogic.com>


So, you are looking for activity?!

Ok, I have a small project that begs to build an html table report. Since
this project is small and not in a hurry I'd like to tinker with CGI.pm. Is
there a decent tutorial/book anyone can recommend. CGI Programming with
Perl, 2nd Edition isn't due out now until 6/2000.

Thx, Jason

From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Thu Jan 20 16:38:42 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC63C@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000120153735.16291J-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Jason Van Slyke wrote:

> 
> So, you are looking for activity?!
> 
> Ok, I have a small project that begs to build an html table report. Since
> this project is small and not in a hurry I'd like to tinker with CGI.pm. Is
> there a decent tutorial/book anyone can recommend. CGI Programming with
> Perl, 2nd Edition isn't due out now until 6/2000.

Try http://stein.cshl.org/WWW/software/CGI/cgi_docs.html

- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)


From bill at fccj.org  Thu Jan 20 15:37:08 2000
From: bill at fccj.org (Bill Jones)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <B4ACEA33.9FD3%bill@fccj.org>

on 01/20/2000 2:46 PM, Walter Pienciak at walter@frii.com wrote:

> This list is pretty quiet -- damn quiet -- as lists go.

Hmm, at least someone noticed it was quite  :)

You should see the dust accumulating on Jax.PM...
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From walter at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 15:38:52 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC63C@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201423460.78869-100000@io.frii.com>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Jason Van Slyke wrote:

> 
> So, you are looking for activity?!
> 
> Ok, I have a small project that begs to build an html table report. Since
> this project is small and not in a hurry I'd like to tinker with CGI.pm. Is
> there a decent tutorial/book anyone can recommend. CGI Programming with
> Perl, 2nd Edition isn't due out now until 6/2000.
> 
> Thx, Jason

Of course there's the canonical "man CGI", where you bootstrap yourself
up with kind of a cargo-cult programming approach.

The basic program can be as simple as

#!/usr/bin/perl -wT

use strict;
use CGI;
$ENV{PATH} = "";

my $q = CGI->new();
print $q->header();

print <<"EOT";
<html>
<head><title>Woo-hoo!</title></head>
<body>
<p>All kinds of fun!</p>
</body></html>
EOT

exit;
## Th-th-that's all, folks!


Anyway, the CGI references I usually point at are:

http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/FAQs/cgi/perl-cgi-faq.html
http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/FAQs/cgi/www-security-faq.html
ftp://ftp.cs.colorado.edu/mirrors/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html

I have a somewhat-old copy of a tutorial book on Intro CGI by Tom
Christiansen, but someone has it at the moment.

I'd recommend just jumping in after looking through the docs at those
URLs.  (I assume you have a web server you can run your scripts on.)
Write a bunch of goofy programs.  When you get stuck, ask.  Nobody
skips the learning curve.

Walter


From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Thu Jan 20 15:56:02 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC640@houston.matchlogic.com>

Walter and Wayde,

Thanks for the tips.  I never skip the learning curve but I have fallen off
and had to climb back up a time or 2. :o)

Jason

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 2:39 PM
To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics


On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Jason Van Slyke wrote:

> 
> So, you are looking for activity?!
> 
> Ok, I have a small project that begs to build an html table report. Since
> this project is small and not in a hurry I'd like to tinker with CGI.pm.
Is
> there a decent tutorial/book anyone can recommend. CGI Programming with
> Perl, 2nd Edition isn't due out now until 6/2000.
> 
> Thx, Jason

Of course there's the canonical "man CGI", where you bootstrap yourself
up with kind of a cargo-cult programming approach.

The basic program can be as simple as

#!/usr/bin/perl -wT

use strict;
use CGI;
$ENV{PATH} = "";

my $q = CGI->new();
print $q->header();

print <<"EOT";
<html>
<head><title>Woo-hoo!</title></head>
<body>
<p>All kinds of fun!</p>
</body></html>
EOT

exit;
## Th-th-that's all, folks!


Anyway, the CGI references I usually point at are:

http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/FAQs/cgi/perl-cgi-faq.html
http://www.perl.com/pub/doc/FAQs/cgi/www-security-faq.html
ftp://ftp.cs.colorado.edu/mirrors/CPAN/doc/FAQs/cgi/idiots-guide.html

I have a somewhat-old copy of a tutorial book on Intro CGI by Tom
Christiansen, but someone has it at the moment.

I'd recommend just jumping in after looking through the docs at those
URLs.  (I assume you have a web server you can run your scripts on.)
Write a bunch of goofy programs.  When you get stuck, ask.  Nobody
skips the learning curve.

Walter

From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Thu Jan 20 17:16:48 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201423460.78869-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000120161404.16291N-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote:

> my $q = CGI->new();
> print $q->header();

So, is there a particularly compelling reason to use the object oriented
approach over the function call?  Something like:

new CGI;
print h1("My Header Text");

- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)


From baur at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 16:31:07 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <200001202234.PAA74233@deimos.frii.com>


What the heck... I'll reply.
    What was I looking for in the list?  I was looking for a way to meet other
people interesting in programming that I might be able to ask questions and/or
just meet up with every once in awhile.
    I'm not a professional programmer, but a high school math teacher.  As such,
I don't learn much from my job about perl (or anything about computers), so I
was looking for friendly tech list that I could eaves-drop on and maybe learn a
bit.  When I get comfortable, I might ask some things (anyone want to help me
write a chess script? <grin>), but I figured I'd just listen in for awhile.

    As for meeting, I might not be able to make it as I live in Northglenn now. 
I used to live in Boulder, but I'd love to try and make it up to go for a hike,
talk around a bar, or whatever.
    It also might be fun to try and set up something *like* a tutorial where we
could bring something we're working on and get ideas on.  ???  Don't know if
anyone else would be interested in that, but I often wonder if there's a better
way to do something I've written... and I don't have anywhere to get feedback
right now except for my own reading and re-writing.

Eric



From walter at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 16:59:24 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000120161404.16291N-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201521520.79704-100000@io.frii.com>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Wayde Allen wrote:

> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote:
> 
> > my $q = CGI->new();
> > print $q->header();
> 
> So, is there a particularly compelling reason to use the object oriented
> approach over the function call?  Something like:
> 
> new CGI;
> print h1("My Header Text");
> 
> - Wayde
>   (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)

I can't think of *any* compelling reason to use the object-oriented
approach (this is a cue for the C++ trained academics to rise up
en mass and beat us to pulps).

I think that I use this approach because (1) it's what I learned first, and
(2) I tend to use cut-and-paste methods to reuse boilerplate stuff.

Your code is a good example of a different style between two people
using the same module.  Me, I have a *strong* preference to see the actual
HTML -- just as strong a preference as people who *hate* looking at it. The
output is the same; the code is different.

I had a conversation with a co-worker just today about coding style.
He's very comfortable in C, and even after working for two years in Perl
he insists on writing Perl code that looks like

if ($baz eq "boz")
{
    print "foo";
}
else
{
    print "bar";
}

and finds it easier to understand than a more Perlish idiom.


Walter


From sstone at ksofttech.com  Mon Jan 10 17:14:31 2000
From: sstone at ksofttech.com (sstone@ksofttech.com)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <20000120231405.ZBUD25150.news.rdc1.tx.home.com@c-54244-a>

Hi...throwing in my 10 cents worth(inflation you know)...

I was new to the area when I joined this list, along with several 
others. A former NT administrator, I began learning Unix/Linux 
about a year ago. Working with other Unix administrators they 
talked very highly about PERL, so when I got out here I figured if I 
joined a list I could find some sources to help me out when I very 
quickly got in over my head, or confused, which in fact is usually 
the same thing. 

Unfortunately, I have not had very much time to learn PERL, as 
learning Linux and all of its intricacies has been more than enough 
to keep me busy. So, I haven't spoken up much in this list 
because, well, I don't know much.

As for what I would like to get out of this list, and the user group in 
general:

1) How about some ideas on where a total newbie can go to learn 
PERL. I've got some of my own resources(O'rielly, For Dummies 
and such) but what has everyone else learned from and found 
informative?

2) It has been my experience that unless a group is already familiar 
with/comfortable with the people involved, no one is going to just 
suggest "hey guys, lets go climb Pikes Peak this weekend",  or 
even "Hey, who wants to get together for Pizza". So I think that it 
would be a very good idea to try and schedule meetings. One of 
the problems with doing this is keeping it on a night everyone can 
meet on (I work part time with a non-profit organization teaching 
native american kids computers, so many of my nights are 
booked). If we were to schedule monthly meetings, may I propose 
that we schedule them on tue/wed on alternating months?

3) As a total newbie who has no knowledge of PERL, I would 
reeeeally like a portion of the meetings to include tutorials. But 
hanging out is a big plus on my book. Don't know to many people 
out here, so I don't hang out nearly as much as I used to. 

4) Is there a webpage out there that we post this information to? 

like I said, just my 10 cents...although some might say my 10 
cents are highly overpriced...

:-)

Shawn Stone
Network Specialist
Kabotie Software Technologies
www.ksofttech.com
Shawn Stone
Network Specialist
Kabotie Software Technologies
www.ksofttech.com

From fholtry at lucent.com  Thu Jan 20 17:14:57 2000
From: fholtry at lucent.com (Frank Holtry)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <388796F1.4B21A560@lucent.com>

Walter Pienciak wrote:
> 
> This list is pretty quiet -- damn quiet -- as lists go.  I
> made a deliberate decision when I started it: stay in the
> background and let it evolve into something the group wanted,
> rather than trying to control or direct it.
> 
> But I'm wondering if that was a good strategy.  And if this group
> is in danger of dying for lack of something.  If so, I'd like to
> find out what that something is.
> 
> Feedback time.  Stop lurking, put your fingers on the keyboards,
> and tell us why you're here, what you hoped the list/group would
> be, and what needs to happen to get it there.  Please.

I view the list as primarily an informational resource.  I have a
little experience in the area of Perl/Tk and, within the last couple
of weeks, X11::Protocol which I'd be happy to share, but even happier
to increase.  Perl Mongers has received lots of good press at the last
two O'Reilly conferences, so I decided to join one.  

I live on the far east end of Broomfield, about exactly half-way between
Denver and Boulder, so it's a toss-up which way to drive.  Until very
recently, my three teenagers kept me fairly busy with taxi duties, so my
free time for after hours meetings was meager.  It freed up slightly
when
my daughter got a car of her own, and hopefully will become even freer
when her brother is able to drive himself.  I could use some social
activity after years of being a 'family man'.

I have a little project I've been working on for about a year that the
invitation is open for anyone who wants to join or contribute.  I have
a plugin for Netscape that lets you browse a Perl program and launch it.
If it happens to include displayable items -- Perl/Tk widgets,
Perl/OpenGL
drawings, etc. -- those can be made to display in the window provided by
the browser.  It needs lots of work in several areas: security (gpg 
could be used ), X-event handling, particularly resizing of the browser, 
porting to Win32 and maybe porting to IE and other browsers.  A
reasonably
current source is on CPAN:authors/id/f/fh/fholtry if anyone's curious.


> 
> I'll go first.
> 
> I was hoping for a group that existed not just on a mailing list,
> but that got together once in a while -- eat and drink, talk, whatever.
> At work we have a tech mailing list where we ask questions, forward
> URLs or interesting technical things we've found or learned, joke
> around, abuse each other good-naturedly.  We also get together for
> lunch once a month or so, or to make a bookstore run, and it all
> flows together pretty naturally.  (This last sentence is more
> historical:  since I'm now a full-time telecommuter for them, New
> Jersey is too far to go to have lunch.)
> 
> I knew that Denver had a Perl Mongers group, but for me that's
> too far away.  I have a wife and three daughters, and between work
> and my kid shuttle service, my free time is worth a lot.  Besides,
> I'm not big on drinking and driving, and, well, Denver just wasn't
> piquing my interest.
> 
> So I was looking for a way to hang out once in a while with some
> folks who do what I do.  A mix of list activity and actual getting
> together.  Maybe get away sometimes from the usual "let's have beer"
> geek stereotype and go do something outside or something.
> 
> I haven't gone ahead and scheduled another meeting, but I didn't
> get many responses when I asked about preferred times/date.  Would
> it be easier if I just scheduled it rather than trying for some kind
> of consensus to develop?
> 
> And what about those meetings?  Do you want formal "Tuturial on something"
> style meetings, or a place to hang out and brag, or a mix, or . . .
> what?  How often?
> 
> We have 48 people on the list, each of whom was interested enough to
> sign up.  What do you want?
> 
> Walter
> 
> __
> Walter Pienciak
> Manager of Electronic Information, IEEE Standards Activities
> 
> w.pienciak@ieee.org    http://standards.ieee.org/people/w.pienciak/
>                        http://walter.dsl.frii.net/
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> 
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From jay.kominek at colorado.edu  Thu Jan 20 17:18:11 2000
From: jay.kominek at colorado.edu (Jay Kominek)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Thu, 20 Jan 2000 12:46:03 MST."
             <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com> 
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com> 
Message-ID: <m12BQqB-000C4XC@nehwon>


> So I was looking for a way to hang out once in a while with some
> folks who do what I do.  A mix of list activity and actual getting
> together.  Maybe get away sometimes from the usual "let's have beer"
> geek stereotype and go do something outside or something.

The last meeting I remember reading about was at some sort of bar-food
place iirc. Even assuming I could afford to eat out (I can't), I avoid
bars are other similar social settings because I find them annoying in
the nth degree.
I know there have to be other people in Boulder that avoid such places,
and I'm sure there are other students who can't afford to eat out. Who
really likes going somewhere and watching other people eat, even if you
are talking to them?

> I haven't gone ahead and scheduled another meeting, but I didn't
> get many responses when I asked about preferred times/date.  Would
> it be easier if I just scheduled it rather than trying for some kind
> of consensus to develop?

Your best bet is to simply say, "Hey, I'm gonna be sitting $somewherepublic
between 2pm and 4pm on saturday, and I'll be up to talk about any perl
or other computer related whatnot you're interested in. I'll be the guy
wearing the perl shirt riding the camel." If other people show up, more
power to you. If not, then return the camel to the zoo before they notice.

> And what about those meetings?  Do you want formal "Tuturial on something"
> style meetings, or a place to hang out and brag, or a mix, or . . .
> what?  How often?

I'd be up for sitting around shooting the breeze about Perl somewhere easy
to get to for a student who lives on campus and can only use the RTD and his
two legs. Weekends are nice, because there aren't any classes, and no work.
I offered once to talk at/with people about my perl irc daemon, I suppose the
offer still stands (though I'm no public speaker).

***

In an attempt to make this post contain something useful, here is your
fairly disgusting snippet of perl code for the day:

sub p{split//,pop}$/=0;map{$c{+lc}++}p<>;sub l{my$a;map{$a+=$_}@c{p pop};$a}
print"probably ",(l(iset)>l"vfrg")?plain:rot13," text
"

^ ROT13 identication script, designed to save bytes. You deserve a cookie if
you can make it shorter without affecting the way it works.

- Jay Kominek <jay.kominek@colorado.edu>
  The NSA is now hiring. Send your resume to
  Fort Meade, or speak into the thermostat.

From kmoore at trustamerica.com  Thu Jan 20 17:47:31 2000
From: kmoore at trustamerica.com (Kyle Moore)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on the list
Message-ID: <38879E93.94E3A469@trustamerica.com>

I am looking to learn. I am fairly new to perl and programming in
general. I don't have much of a problem getting done what I need to get
done but I always have this feeling in the back of my head that wonders
how I could make my program more efficient and cover security better.
What I really need is a class or something (more experience perhaps) in
programming but it never hurts to have some friends with experience to
turn to with questions.

The list hasn't seemed to be much of a question/answer list so far so I
have been reluctant to post such questions. That was my fault. I will
post more things in the future and leave it up to the membership to tell
me to piss off.

Look for more from me in the future. I live in Littleton but Boulder is
as close to me as Denver (that is why I attend more Boulder Linux User
Group meetings than Denver's meetings). I would be up to attending
meetings but don't know when would be best. I think too many groups use
the first part of the month. Perhaps towards the end of the month would
be nice.
-- 

----
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From stevi at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 17:56:42 2000
From: stevi at frii.com (Stevi Deter)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC63C@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <000201bf63a2$03abb660$7d9c11d8@cartographers>

there's always "official guide to programming with cgi.pm" by lincoln stein
himself - isbn 0-471-24744-8. i refer to this book more often than i do to
the man pages for cgi.pm.

--stevi


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org
> [mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Jason Van Slyke
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 2:15 PM
> To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
> Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
>
>
>
> So, you are looking for activity?!
>
> Ok, I have a small project that begs to build an html table
> report. Since
> this project is small and not in a hurry I'd like to tinker
> with CGI.pm. Is
> there a decent tutorial/book anyone can recommend. CGI
> Programming with
> Perl, 2nd Edition isn't due out now until 6/2000.
>
> Thx, Jason
>


From baur at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 18:14:57 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <000201bf63a2$03abb660$7d9c11d8@cartographers>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201710450.80793-100000@io.frii.com>


	Something I've been wondering for awhile...  What are the benits
of using cgi.pm?  Right now, my cgi scripts just parse the content
themselves using environment variables and then a foreach loop and a %form
hash to store the key/value pairs.
	Is cgi.pm faster, offer more service that I'm missing (other than
off-line checking of script - and no, I haven't really read the docs on
it, but the references to it don't seem to do much that I can't do as fast
by hand)?

	Kind of an open ended question, I guess... but is that last
example script the kind of thing people use it for - or are there other
neat tricks that I'm missing?

Eric


On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Stevi Deter wrote:

> there's always "official guide to programming with cgi.pm" by lincoln stein
> himself - isbn 0-471-24744-8. i refer to this book more often than i do to
> the man pages for cgi.pm.
> 


From stevi at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 20:00:48 2000
From: stevi at frii.com (Stevi Deter)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201710450.80793-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <000001bf63b3$5931e080$279c11d8@cartographers>

the reasons i use cgi.pm:
1. taking care of parsing the variables; instead of having to add the
routine to each and every cgi program, it's all done for you. libraries are
your friends.
2. minimizing the html i have to encode in the program. i'm in the "hate to
see it in the script" camp, and find my cgi.pm-using scripts to be far
easier to read and debug.
3. debugging - cgi.pm can emulate the cgi environment and make command-line
debugging easy. this has saved me hours and hours and hours of work. the
carp module is also exceedingly useful in this arena.

--stevi
  you can pry my cgi.pm from my cold, dead, rsi-crippled fingers...


> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org
> [mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Eric Shore Baur
> Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 5:15 PM
> To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
>
>
>
> 	Something I've been wondering for awhile...  What are the benits
> of using cgi.pm?  Right now, my cgi scripts just parse the content
> themselves using environment variables and then a foreach
> loop and a %form
> hash to store the key/value pairs.
> 	Is cgi.pm faster, offer more service that I'm missing
> (other than
> off-line checking of script - and no, I haven't really read
> the docs on
> it, but the references to it don't seem to do much that I
> can't do as fast
> by hand)?
>
> 	Kind of an open ended question, I guess... but is that last
> example script the kind of thing people use it for - or are
> there other
> neat tricks that I'm missing?
>
> Eric
>
>
> On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Stevi Deter wrote:
>
> > there's always "official guide to programming with cgi.pm"
> by lincoln stein
> > himself - isbn 0-471-24744-8. i refer to this book more
> often than i do to
> > the man pages for cgi.pm.
> >
>


From bmozart at frii.com  Thu Jan 20 22:54:52 2000
From: bmozart at frii.com (Boy Mozart)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201052100.77005-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001202128140.82353-100000@io.frii.com>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Walter Pienciak wrote:

> This list is pretty quiet -- damn quiet -- as lists go.  I 
> made a deliberate decision when I started it: stay in the
> background and let it evolve into something the group wanted,
> rather than trying to control or direct it.

It's still a new list, isn't it?  It's not more than a couple months
old, IIRC.  My opinion is that it could use a little direction at first,
until it gets some kind of impetus going.  Look at the discussion you've
sparked with this message, along with the cgi.pm spin-off.

> Feedback time.  Stop lurking, put your fingers on the keyboards,
> and tell us why you're here, what you hoped the list/group would
> be, and what needs to happen to get it there.  Please. 

Me?  Lurk?

I'm here because I'm new to Perl.  I don't use it at work, but I was
interested in it and from what I've seen so far it looks pretty
powerful.  But like I said, I'm new, and I was looking for some place
where I could ask questions--or answer them--without it being an
environment like comp.lang.perl.misc.

I mean granted, you could answer a lot of questions on Perl by saying
"Read the FAQ", but "Read the FAQ, you [censored]" tends to turn people
off in my experience.  I'm teaching myself Perl, I'm not depending on
anyone else to teach me, but an open, friendly, maybe even slightly
sympathetic forum would help.  The discussions I've read here
already about programming practices and who likes what module and why
have taught me some things about Perl.

I like to socialize a little, too.  I tend to be better at it in
e-mail than I am in real life.  Wayde made a good point about social
gatherings where people tend to stare at each other, especially at the
start, and it's true, it takes time and effort and a topic or speaker or
tutorial might help.  I've never been a monger of anything, so I have no
experience with gatherings, but I'll take a shot at it.  Some nights
during the week I'm busy, but if I get a week's notice I can usually get
out of it--whoever's making me busy isn't going to miss me terribly one
night a month.

Barring that, e-mail is a great way to get to know people, despite the
rumours about all the "weirdos" you meet on the net.  I happen to be a
hard-working member of society, even if I am weird.

Speaking of newbies, BTW, Shawn, if you want a source where newbies can
go to learn Perl, I highly recommend "Teach Yourself Perl in 21 Days" by
Laura Lemay, published by SAMS.  I'm perpetually stuck on Day 11, but
that's just because I'm lazy.  It's clearly written, plenty of examples
and exercises, and you don't have to finish it in three weeks, honest.  
I also recommend "The Perl Cookbook" by Christiansen and Torkington,
from O'Reilly.  Not to learn Perl, but to help out when you're writing
scripts on your own and can't work something out.

> We have 48 people on the list, each of whom was interested enough to
> sign up.  What do you want?

I want a cup of coffee.  I'm going back out to look at the eclipse some
more, and it's really cold out there.


-BM.


From bcollins at csd.net  Thu Jan 20 23:28:09 2000
From: bcollins at csd.net (Bob Collins)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics + Ramblings
References: <000001bf63b3$5931e080$279c11d8@cartographers>
Message-ID: <3887EE69.64F6306B@csd.net>

Some Ramblings on stuff.

(See quoted note below) 

Now this kind of answer to a question goes beyond just answering the
question.  The person asking the question doesn't feel stupid for
asking, others are encouraged to add their own comments or to present
another point of view.  

I too have given the short answer, i.e. "Just put a ';' at the end of
the line."  It is the easy way out, but it doesn't promote a learning
and sharing environment.  

I am new to perl. I joined the group hoping to pick up on some of the
things that you will never learn from the man pages.  I have all of the
O'Reilly perl books, they are great and have a lot of the answers.  I am
interested in MySQL.  I have "MySQL & mSQL" by O'Reilly and "MySQL" by
New Riders.  The "MySQL & mSQL", as far as I know, was the only book on
MySQL when I bought it.  It is worst book I have ever read.  I struggled
with it until "MySQL" came out.  It seems to be a much better book.

I can set here with all my books and learn things the hard way, learn
them twice because I learned another way is better.  

I am not in a work environment.  I can't go down the hall and ask the
DBI expert to show me how he set up his interface to MySQL, find out why
he prefers it to PHP or just see what it looks like.

I joined a choir to sing.  I joined Toastmasters to learn to give better
talks.  If I wanted to socialize, I would join New Comers.  If
socializing is a part of the club, that is great.  It would seem to me,
to be a disappointment for most, if that is all it was.   

  
Stevi Deter wrote:
> 
> the reasons i use cgi.pm:
> 1. taking care of parsing the variables; instead of having to add the
> routine to each and every cgi program, it's all done for you. libraries are
> your friends.
> 2. minimizing the html i have to encode in the program. i'm in the "hate to
> see it in the script" camp, and find my cgi.pm-using scripts to be far
> easier to read and debug.
> 3. debugging - cgi.pm can emulate the cgi environment and make command-line
> debugging easy. this has saved me hours and hours and hours of work. the
> carp module is also exceedingly useful in this arena.
> 
> --stevi
>   you can pry my cgi.pm from my cold, dead, rsi-crippled fingers...
> 

-- 
Regards,
Bob Collins
                       bcollins@csd.net

From MZuehlke at NA2.US.ML.com  Fri Jan 21 04:11:01 2000
From: MZuehlke at NA2.US.ML.com (Zuehlke, Michael (DPRC - Denver))
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
Message-ID: <61CDE3AD7FCAD111B57A00805FA7BB7B015281D2@EDEN04>

Walter and everyone else,

OK, must be my turn.

I am new to Perl and having a great time just trying to teach myself
some of the basics so that I can hold some semblance of an
intelligent conversation with others about it.  I saw the listed times
and days that other people want to meet but unfortunately I work
Mon. thru Thurs. Nights.  I leave home about 5:00 PM and get back
Home about 7:00 AM.  I sleep days and work nights.  (Fri. night, or
((Sat. or Sun.) (days or nights))) is good for me.  I don't know a lot
about Perl yet, but if you just want to hang out, I have a great sense
of humor.  I am willing to travel a moderate distance for a meeting of
Perl users.  Even if it is just for pie, coffee and laughs.  My desire is
to learn more about Perl but I don't want to annoy anyone with
newbie questions.  I joined this group hoping to gleen some bits of
wisdom from lurking and listening to the Perl sages.  Oh well, so
much for the lurking part.  :-)

Mike


	-----Original Message-----
	From:	Walter Pienciak [SMTP:walter@frii.com]
	Sent:	Thursday, January 20, 2000 12:46 PM
	To:	boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
	Subject:	[boulder.pm] activity on this list

	This list is pretty quiet -- damn quiet -- as lists go.  I 
	made a deliberate decision when I started it: stay in the
	background and let it evolve into something the group wanted,
	rather than trying to control or direct it.

	But I'm wondering if that was a good strategy.  And if this group
	is in danger of dying for lack of something.  If so, I'd like to
	find out what that something is.

	Feedback time.  Stop lurking, put your fingers on the keyboards,
	and tell us why you're here, what you hoped the list/group would
	be, and what needs to happen to get it there.  Please. 

	I'll go first.

	I was hoping for a group that existed not just on a mailing list,
	but that got together once in a while -- eat and drink, talk,
whatever.
	At work we have a tech mailing list where we ask questions, forward
	URLs or interesting technical things we've found or learned, joke
	around, abuse each other good-naturedly.  We also get together for
	lunch once a month or so, or to make a bookstore run, and it all
	flows together pretty naturally.  (This last sentence is more
	historical:  since I'm now a full-time telecommuter for them, New
	Jersey is too far to go to have lunch.)

	I knew that Denver had a Perl Mongers group, but for me that's
	too far away.  I have a wife and three daughters, and between work
	and my kid shuttle service, my free time is worth a lot.  Besides,
	I'm not big on drinking and driving, and, well, Denver just wasn't
	piquing my interest.

	So I was looking for a way to hang out once in a while with some
	folks who do what I do.  A mix of list activity and actual getting
	together.  Maybe get away sometimes from the usual "let's have beer"
	geek stereotype and go do something outside or something.

	I haven't gone ahead and scheduled another meeting, but I didn't
	get many responses when I asked about preferred times/date.  Would
	it be easier if I just scheduled it rather than trying for some kind
	of consensus to develop?

	And what about those meetings?  Do you want formal "Tuturial on
something"
	style meetings, or a place to hang out and brag, or a mix, or . . .
	what?  How often?

	We have 48 people on the list, each of whom was interested enough to
	sign up.  What do you want?

	Walter

	__
	Walter Pienciak
	Manager of Electronic Information, IEEE Standards Activities

	w.pienciak@ieee.org    http://standards.ieee.org/people/w.pienciak/
	                       http://walter.dsl.frii.net/
	+1 303 494 3756        P.O. Box 3780, Boulder, CO  80307-3780

	IEEE -- Networking the World
	

From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Fri Jan 21 09:34:21 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC646@houston.matchlogic.com>


-----Original Message-----
From: Boy Mozart [mailto:bmozart@frii.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2000 9:55 PM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] activity on this list

Enjoying all of the activity on this list. BM and others have shown some
good insights.

I launched my Perl experience with "Learning Perl". One of the few books I
have actually read from cover to cover. Now I use it for reference fairly
often and several other people stop by to check it out too. 

Beyond the basics and workable syntax questions, I have spent a bundle on
intermediate to advanced books even though my everyday use doesn't warrant
the expenditure (I just counted, there are 7 Perl books on the shelf, 2 are
on order to ship upon publisher release). The "Perl Cookbook", as BM pointed
out, is a very good source. 

Oh yeah, and as Stevi suggested, I'll probably end up getting Lincoln
Stein's book on CGI.pm. My kids are bare foot, the roof leaks, the tires are
showing cords and I'm buying computer books!? As so many people have
expressed so much more eloquently than I, Perl is an unusual language that
many of us find interesting, intuitive, and even fun to learn and use.

Jason

From walter at frii.com  Fri Jan 21 10:17:17 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC646@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001210904570.1755-100000@io.frii.com>

This has been a lot of help to me personally so far, both
Wayde's brief on typical activity on this kind of mailing list
and everyone's comments on Perl and life and what they're
hoping for.  I hope everyone else continues to send in a note to
this thread to help us figure things out.

I'm fighting a cold right now, but next week I think I'll look
at all the comments on time and day, and come up with a meeting
date (and place).


And now for something completely Perl:

When Perl style comes up, it usually is quickly apparent how
many ways Perl lets you hang yourself^W^Wdo things.

Here's a simple program that waffles on output:

    #!/usr/bin/perl -w

    use strict;

    my @opinions = ( "yes", "no" );
    my $baz = $opinions[ rand @opinions ];

    if ( $baz eq "yes" ) {
        print "foo\n";
    } else {
        print "bar\n";
    }

I'm wondering how many reasonably different ways the logic expressed in
the if/else code could have been written.

    $baz eq "yes" ? print "foo\n" : print "bar\n";

Any others?


Walter


From mstretchberry at mindspring.com  Fri Jan 21 11:05:27 2000
From: mstretchberry at mindspring.com (mstretchberry@mindspring.com)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Unsubscribe
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: Walter Pienciak <walter@frii.com>
To: <boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 9:17 AM
Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] activity on this list


: This has been a lot of help to me personally so far, both
: Wayde's brief on typical activity on this kind of mailing list
: and everyone's comments on Perl and life and what they're
: hoping for.  I hope everyone else continues to send in a note to
: this thread to help us figure things out.
: 
: I'm fighting a cold right now, but next week I think I'll look
: at all the comments on time and day, and come up with a meeting
: date (and place).
: 
: 
: And now for something completely Perl:
: 
: When Perl style comes up, it usually is quickly apparent how
: many ways Perl lets you hang yourself^W^Wdo things.
: 
: Here's a simple program that waffles on output:
: 
:     #!/usr/bin/perl -w
: 
:     use strict;
: 
:     my @opinions = ( "yes", "no" );
:     my $baz = $opinions[ rand @opinions ];
: 
:     if ( $baz eq "yes" ) {
:         print "foo\n";
:     } else {
:         print "bar\n";
:     }
: 
: I'm wondering how many reasonably different ways the logic expressed in
: the if/else code could have been written.
: 
:     $baz eq "yes" ? print "foo\n" : print "bar\n";
: 
: Any others?
: 
: 
: Walter
: 


From Robert.L.Harris at rnd-consulting.com  Fri Jan 21 11:15:04 2000
From: Robert.L.Harris at rnd-consulting.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] IPC::Shareable
Message-ID: <20000121101504.D15627@rnd-consulting.com>



Has anyone worked with IPC::Shareable?  I'm running on a linux-2.2.14
with perl-5.04.3.  


Here's the error:



Uncaught exception from user code:
        shmget returned undef: No such file or directory at ./encodeit line 119
        Carp::croak('shmget returned undef: No such file or directory') called at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/IPC/Shareable.pm line 406
        IPC::Shareable::tie_to_shm('SCALAR', 'rips', 'HASH(0x80c8a2c)') called at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/auto/IPC/Shareable/TIESCALAR.al line 14
        IPC::Shareable::TIESCALAR('IPC::Shareable', 'rips', 'HASH(0x80c8a2c)') called at ./encodeit line 119


Where line 119 is:

  my ($glue)='rips';
  $rippedhandle = tie($ripped, 'IPC::Shareable', $glue, { destroy => 1 }) || die "\n\ntie failed. :$!:\n\n";


Any thoughts?

Thanks,
  Robert

:wq!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert L. Harris                |  Low quality in a product happens.
Senior System Engineer          |    That doesn't mean it's right and
  at RnD Consulting.		|      definitely doesn't mean it should
                                \_       be accepted.  Require quality.

http://www.rnd-consulting.com/~nomad

DISCLAIMER:
      These are MY OPINIONS ALONE.  I speak for no-one else.

FYI:
 perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'


From walter at frii.com  Fri Jan 21 11:15:49 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Unsubscribe
In-Reply-To: <024801bf6431$b786c0a0$6de7aec7@oem>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001211015001.2969-100000@io.frii.com>

Yeow!  I didn't think my code snippet was that bad . . . ;^)

Walter

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000 mstretchberry@mindspring.com wrote:

> 
>             Marcy Stretchberry
>   The Complete Programmer Network
> 3801 E. Florida  #400  Denver 80209
>        mstretchberry@programmer.net
> office:  303-758-7347   cell:303-882-6405
> fax:  303-758-7605       res: 303-733-0070
>         www.completeprogrammer.net
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: Walter Pienciak <walter@frii.com>
> To: <boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 21, 2000 9:17 AM
> Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
> 
> 
> : This has been a lot of help to me personally so far, both
> : Wayde's brief on typical activity on this kind of mailing list
> : and everyone's comments on Perl and life and what they're
> : hoping for.  I hope everyone else continues to send in a note to
> : this thread to help us figure things out.
> : 
> : I'm fighting a cold right now, but next week I think I'll look
> : at all the comments on time and day, and come up with a meeting
> : date (and place).
> : 
> : 
> : And now for something completely Perl:
> : 
> : When Perl style comes up, it usually is quickly apparent how
> : many ways Perl lets you hang yourself^W^Wdo things.
> : 
> : Here's a simple program that waffles on output:
> : 
> :     #!/usr/bin/perl -w
> : 
> :     use strict;
> : 
> :     my @opinions = ( "yes", "no" );
> :     my $baz = $opinions[ rand @opinions ];
> : 
> :     if ( $baz eq "yes" ) {
> :         print "foo\n";
> :     } else {
> :         print "bar\n";
> :     }
> : 
> : I'm wondering how many reasonably different ways the logic expressed in
> : the if/else code could have been written.
> : 
> :     $baz eq "yes" ? print "foo\n" : print "bar\n";
> : 
> : Any others?
> : 
> : 
> : Walter
> : 
> 


From walter at frii.com  Fri Jan 21 11:28:28 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] IPC::Shareable
In-Reply-To: <20000121101504.D15627@rnd-consulting.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001211021430.2969-100000@io.frii.com>

Hi, Robert,

I saw your earlier question, but made no reply because I didn't have
a specific answer.  I've never used IPC::Shareable.  But maybe a general
answer would be useful, I dunno.

This kind of error drives me bats.  What I usually do is run the command
through truss (or trace or strace or whatever your version of Unix calls
it, and track back from the error text to see what's been happening.

A general comment is that I've found this strategy indispensable when
dealing with commercial binaries with limited documentation or support.

Walter

On Fri, 21 Jan 2000, Robert L. Harris wrote:

> 
> 
> Has anyone worked with IPC::Shareable?  I'm running on a linux-2.2.14
> with perl-5.04.3.  
> 
> 
> Here's the error:
> 
> 
> 
> Uncaught exception from user code:
>         shmget returned undef: No such file or directory at ./encodeit line 119
>         Carp::croak('shmget returned undef: No such file or directory') called at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/IPC/Shareable.pm line 406
>         IPC::Shareable::tie_to_shm('SCALAR', 'rips', 'HASH(0x80c8a2c)') called at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/auto/IPC/Shareable/TIESCALAR.al line 14
>         IPC::Shareable::TIESCALAR('IPC::Shareable', 'rips', 'HASH(0x80c8a2c)') called at ./encodeit line 119
> 
> 
> Where line 119 is:
> 
>   my ($glue)='rips';
>   $rippedhandle = tie($ripped, 'IPC::Shareable', $glue, { destroy => 1 }) || die "\n\ntie failed. :$!:\n\n";
> 
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Thanks,
>   Robert
> 
> :wq!
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Robert L. Harris                |  Low quality in a product happens.
> Senior System Engineer          |    That doesn't mean it's right and
>   at RnD Consulting.		|      definitely doesn't mean it should
>                                 \_       be accepted.  Require quality.
> 
> http://www.rnd-consulting.com/~nomad
> 
> DISCLAIMER:
>       These are MY OPINIONS ALONE.  I speak for no-one else.
> 
> FYI:
>  perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'
> 


From baur at frii.com  Fri Jan 21 11:29:04 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001210904570.1755-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <200001211729.KAA02257@deimos.frii.com>

On 1/21/00 at 9:17 AM, Walter Pienciak <walter@frii.com> wrote:

>     $baz eq "yes" ? print "foo\n" : print "bar\n";
> 
> Any others?

    How about:

print ( $baz eq "yes" ? "foo" : "bar" , "\n" );

Eric



From hank.turowski at firstworld.net  Fri Jan 21 12:43:14 2000
From: hank.turowski at firstworld.net (Hank Turowski)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:12 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on this list
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001210904570.1755-100000@io.frii.com>
References: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC646@houston.matchlogic.com>
Message-ID: <200001211840.NAA11849@happyfunball.pm.org>

At 09:17 AM 1/21/00 -0700, you wrote:
>    #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
>    use strict;
>
>    my @opinions = ( "yes", "no" );
>    my $baz = $opinions[ rand @opinions ];
>
>    if ( $baz eq "yes" ) {
>        print "foo\n";
>    } else {
>        print "bar\n";
>    }
>
>I'm wondering how many reasonably different ways the logic expressed in
>the if/else code could have been written.
>
>    $baz eq "yes" ? print "foo\n" : print "bar\n";
>
>Any others?
>
>
>Walter

my %response = ( yes=>"foo", no=>"bar");
my @options = keys(%response);
my $baz = $options[rand @options];
print ($response{$baz} || "bar"), "\n";

Given that we KNOW $baz will be "yes" or "no", I could have used
print "$response{$baz}\n";

but in order to truly model the else portion of your conitional I had to
include the || "bar" in the print. Maybe something can change $baz
before the print?

Hank Turowski





From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Fri Jan 21 15:35:27 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001201710450.80793-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000121142338.18523B-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>

On Thu, 20 Jan 2000, Eric Shore Baur wrote:

> 	Something I've been wondering for awhile...  What are the benits
> of using cgi.pm?  Right now, my cgi scripts just parse the content
> themselves using environment variables and then a foreach loop and a %form
> hash to store the key/value pairs.
> 	Is cgi.pm faster, offer more service that I'm missing (other than
> off-line checking of script - and no, I haven't really read the docs on
> it, but the references to it don't seem to do much that I can't do as fast
> by hand)?

The one thing (trick?) I can think of is that with cgi.pm your data is
supposedly sticky.  The last values you submitted to the form are the
default values the next time.  Otherwise, I'm not sure it really matters
much.  You could very easily do everything by hand, but with cgi.pm you
don't have to do everything yourself. 

I think that like most things there are both advantages and disadvantages.
If you can save some coding time using the cgi.pm module then it is
probably worth using.  If not ... ?

- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)


From baur at frii.com  Fri Jan 21 14:46:39 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] CGI.pm basics
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000121142338.18523B-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>
Message-ID: <200001212047.NAA83463@deimos.frii.com>

On 1/21/00 at 2:35 PM, Wayde Allen <wallen@boulder.nist.gov> wrote:

> The one thing (trick?) I can think of is that with cgi.pm your data is
> supposedly sticky.  The last values you submitted to the form are the
> default values the next time.  Otherwise, I'm not sure it really matters
> much.  You could very easily do everything by hand, but with cgi.pm you
> don't have to do everything yourself. 

    That is nice, then... I've had to jump through some hoops to do that by
hand.  :)  (Although, I've learned a lot doing that. <grin>)

Eric



From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Mon Jan 24 17:23:52 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124160855.3351A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>


OK, I'm stumped.  I've been trying to build a web based purchase
requisition system and everything is basically in place.  Unfortunately
I'm having difficulty creating a nicely formated e-mail.

I've been able to create a decent message using something like:

   format MAIL =
   From:  @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
          $sender
   To:    @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  
          $recipient
   Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval
   .

   open (MAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t") or die "<P>Can't Fork Sendmail</P>: $!";
   write MAIL;

This works, but I need to create a variable length formated table, and
don't see how to do this with a static format.  

So, resorting to brute force I have tried creating the format on the fly. 
The idea is to create a row for each item being ordered.  The problem I'm
having is that now I'm getting an error saying "No recipient addresses
found in header".  The code looks like: 

   my $formated_txt = "format MAIL = \n"
   . "From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
   .        $sender . "\n"
   . "To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
   .      $recipient . "\n"
   . "Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval\n"
   . ".\n";

   eval $formated_txt;

   open (MAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t") or die "<P>Can't Fork Sendmail</P>: $!";
   write MAIL;

Anyone see what I'm doing wrong, or have a better solution?
 
- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)



From CWA at DISC.com  Mon Jan 24 16:31:43 2000
From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail
Message-ID: <E71EB977BB95D211A18000104B10635481566C@wnt2.disc.com>

I don't see anything obvious, being the non-expert that I am.  Have you
tried printing out the $formatted_txt variable?  If so, what does it look
like?  Perhaps you need to put the variable names such as $sender in
apostrophes so that you actually get a '$sender' rather than what $sender
contains.  Hope that helps.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wayde Allen [mailto:wallen@boulder.nist.gov]
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2000 4:24 PM
> To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail
> 
> 
> 
> OK, I'm stumped.  I've been trying to build a web based purchase
> requisition system and everything is basically in place.  
> Unfortunately
> I'm having difficulty creating a nicely formated e-mail.
> 
> I've been able to create a decent message using something like:
> 
>    format MAIL =
>    From:  @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>           $sender
>    To:    @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  
>           $recipient
>    Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval
>    .
> 
>    open (MAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t") or die "<P>Can't 
> Fork Sendmail</P>: $!";
>    write MAIL;
> 
> This works, but I need to create a variable length formated table, and
> don't see how to do this with a static format.  
> 
> So, resorting to brute force I have tried creating the format 
> on the fly. 
> The idea is to create a row for each item being ordered.  The 
> problem I'm
> having is that now I'm getting an error saying "No recipient addresses
> found in header".  The code looks like: 
> 
>    my $formated_txt = "format MAIL = \n"
>    . "From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .        $sender . "\n"
>    . "To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .      $recipient . "\n"
>    . "Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval\n"
>    . ".\n";
> 
>    eval $formated_txt;
> 
>    open (MAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t") or die "<P>Can't 
> Fork Sendmail</P>: $!";
>    write MAIL;
> 
> Anyone see what I'm doing wrong, or have a better solution?
>  
> - Wayde
>   (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)
> 
> 

From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Mon Jan 24 17:46:11 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail
In-Reply-To: <E71EB977BB95D211A18000104B10635481566C@wnt2.disc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124164336.3351B-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, William Atkinson wrote:

> I don't see anything obvious, being the non-expert that I am.  Have you
> tried printing out the $formatted_txt variable?  If so, what does it look
> like?

Yes, I did try printing out the variable, and this seems OK to me.


> Perhaps you need to put the variable names such as $sender in
> apostrophes so that you actually get a '$sender' rather than what $sender
> contains.

Hmmm ... maybe, but I think I really do need to substitute the contents of
the variable into the text.  I'll try it though.

- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)


From jay.kominek at colorado.edu  Mon Jan 24 16:38:05 2000
From: jay.kominek at colorado.edu (Jay Kominek)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:23:52 MST."
             <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124160855.3351A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov> 
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124160855.3351A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov> 
Message-ID: <m12Cs7Z-000C3uC@nehwon>


>    my $formated_txt = "format MAIL = \n"
>    . "From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .        $sender . "\n"
>    . "To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .      $recipient . "\n"
>    . "Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval\n"
>    . ".\n";

I believe you need to escape the $ in $sender and $recipient:

[jkominek@nehwon /home/jkominek]$ perl
   my $formated_txt = "format MAIL = \n"
   . "From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
   .        $sender . "\n"
   . "To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
   .      $recipient . "\n"
   . "Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval\n"
   . ".\n";
print $formated_txt,"\n";
^D
format MAIL = 
From: @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 

To: @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< 

Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval
.

- Jay Kominek <jay.kominek@colorado.edu>
  If you can't do it in Perl,
  you don't need to do it.

From wallen at boulder.nist.gov  Mon Jan 24 17:49:02 2000
From: wallen at boulder.nist.gov (Wayde Allen)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail
In-Reply-To: <E71EB977BB95D211A18000104B10635481566C@wnt2.disc.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124164753.3420A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>

On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, William Atkinson wrote:

> Perhaps you need to put the variable names such as $sender in
> apostrophes so that you actually get a '$sender' rather than what $sender
> contains.  Hope that helps.

Well I'll be damned!  Once I put the apostrophe's in there it worked like
a charm.

Thanks!

- Wayde
  (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)


From jay.kominek at colorado.edu  Mon Jan 24 16:41:18 2000
From: jay.kominek at colorado.edu (Jay Kominek)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 24 Jan 2000 16:23:52 MST."
             <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124160855.3351A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov> 
References: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124160855.3351A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov> 
Message-ID: <m12CsAg-000C47C@nehwon>


>    my $formated_txt = "format MAIL = \n"
>    . "From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .        $sender . "\n"
>    . "To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .      $recipient . "\n"
>    . "Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval\n"
>    . ".\n";

Duh.

I feel silly after that last email.

You want:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
my $formated_txt = "format MAIL =
From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
      \$sender
To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
    \$recipient
Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval
.
";
-----------------------------------------------------------------

(I hope)

This is what I get for trying to think without enough caffeine.

- Jay Kominek <jay.kominek@colorado.edu>
  As is above,
  So is below.


From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 24 17:01:24 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Help printing to e-mail
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.3.96.1000124160855.3351A-100000@tigger.boulder.nist.gov>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001241539300.15658-100000@io.frii.com>

Hi, Wayde,

I don't do format anymore.  Not for a long time, and I understood
it only poorly then.  That said, I *do* do a lot of system-generated
e-mails.  It all looks more or less like this:

my $SENDMAIL = "/usr/lib/sendmail -t";

# I stick this in a "config" section near the top, along with a bunch
# of stuff like
#    my $ADMIN = 'w.pienciak@ieee.org';
# which all pays off handsomely when people/things start changing.
# Even "sendmail", when we moved to postfix, needed to have the switches
# twiddled.

open( SENDMAIL, "| $SENDMAIL" ) or die "No sendmail?! : $!";
print SENDMAIL <<"EOT";
From: $ADMIN
To: $ADMIN
Cc:
Subject: $subject

EOT

# Now can print some funky stuff:

if ($doc_url ne "") {
    print SENDMAIL qq{and the <a href="$doc_url">draft being balloted</a>};
}

print SENDMAIL <<"EOT";

and so on.
EOT

close SENDMAIL;

I'm guessing that if you get the headers out of your format stuff,
things will go better.

Hope that helps,
Walter



On Mon, 24 Jan 2000, Wayde Allen wrote:

> 
> OK, I'm stumped.  I've been trying to build a web based purchase
> requisition system and everything is basically in place.  Unfortunately
> I'm having difficulty creating a nicely formated e-mail.
> 
> I've been able to create a decent message using something like:
> 
>    format MAIL =
>    From:  @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>           $sender
>    To:    @<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<  
>           $recipient
>    Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval
>    .
> 
>    open (MAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t") or die "<P>Can't Fork Sendmail</P>: $!";
>    write MAIL;
> 
> This works, but I need to create a variable length formated table, and
> don't see how to do this with a static format.  
> 
> So, resorting to brute force I have tried creating the format on the fly. 
> The idea is to create a row for each item being ordered.  The problem I'm
> having is that now I'm getting an error saying "No recipient addresses
> found in header".  The code looks like: 
> 
>    my $formated_txt = "format MAIL = \n"
>    . "From: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .        $sender . "\n"
>    . "To: \@<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< \n"
>    .      $recipient . "\n"
>    . "Subject:  Request for Purchase Approval\n"
>    . ".\n";
> 
>    eval $formated_txt;
> 
>    open (MAIL, "|/usr/lib/sendmail -oi -t") or die "<P>Can't Fork Sendmail</P>: $!";
>    write MAIL;
> 
> Anyone see what I'm doing wrong, or have a better solution?
>  
> - Wayde
>   (wallen@boulder.nist.gov)
> 
> 


From walter at frii.com  Tue Jan 25 08:35:01 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl instructors?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001250727100.23377-100000@io.frii.com>

Hi,

I've gotten contacted by a publisher's representative for Manning,
which is trying to promote a new book "Elements of Programming with Perl",
which was "written to be a useful resource to those interested in
learning how to program using Perl as a first language."

For what it's worth, she says that "Tom Christiansen has indicated . . .
he plans to give the book '5 Camels' and should be posting a review shortly"
and that "in her December '99 book review at perlmonth.com, Rachel Rawlings
called it, 'the well-written equivalent of a first-year computer
science text with all concepts and examples explained in Perl.'"

The gist of it is that she wants to send Perl instructors and institutions
that offer Perl programming courses some directed spam related to the
book.  Maybe there's even a free book in it for you, I dunno.

If you're a Perl instructor and would like to hear what she has to say,
please forward to walter@io.frii.com your name, e-mail address, and
physical mailing address.

Walter


From Robert.L.Harris at rnd-consulting.com  Tue Jan 25 08:46:56 2000
From: Robert.L.Harris at rnd-consulting.com (Robert L. Harris)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl instructors?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001250727100.23377-100000@io.frii.com>; from Walter Pienciak on Tue, Jan 25, 2000 at 07:35:01AM -0700
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001250727100.23377-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <20000125074656.B1304@rnd-consulting.com>



  I am an informal instructor.  I teach Admins where I work as well as 
taking contracts to teach admins and html developers.  I don't do the
30 person class rooms though.  Too restrictive.

Thank you,
  Robert


Thus spake Walter Pienciak (walter@frii.com):

> Hi,
> 
> I've gotten contacted by a publisher's representative for Manning,
> which is trying to promote a new book "Elements of Programming with Perl",
> which was "written to be a useful resource to those interested in
> learning how to program using Perl as a first language."
> 
> For what it's worth, she says that "Tom Christiansen has indicated . . .
> he plans to give the book '5 Camels' and should be posting a review shortly"
> and that "in her December '99 book review at perlmonth.com, Rachel Rawlings
> called it, 'the well-written equivalent of a first-year computer
> science text with all concepts and examples explained in Perl.'"
> 
> The gist of it is that she wants to send Perl instructors and institutions
> that offer Perl programming courses some directed spam related to the
> book.  Maybe there's even a free book in it for you, I dunno.
> 
> If you're a Perl instructor and would like to hear what she has to say,
> please forward to walter@io.frii.com your name, e-mail address, and
> physical mailing address.
> 
> Walter


:wq!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Robert L. Harris                |  Low quality in a product happens.
Senior System Engineer          |    That doesn't mean it's right and
  at RnD Consulting.		|      definitely doesn't mean it should
                                \_       be accepted.  Require quality.

http://www.rnd-consulting.com/~nomad

DISCLAIMER:
      These are MY OPINIONS ALONE.  I speak for no-one else.

FYI:
 perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);'


From walter at frii.com  Tue Jan 25 09:10:17 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl instructors?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001250727100.23377-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001250806300.23434-100000@io.frii.com>

Hi,

I'm getting comments back -- remember, if you're interested I need

1) your name (I can figure this one out ;^)
2) your e-mail address (is the address in the headers the one you want
   the mail to go to?  To be safe, send this along in the body.)
3) your physical/snailmail/USPS address.

Walter



From walter at frii.com  Tue Jan 25 11:28:10 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] snow day!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001251025250.24749-100000@io.frii.com>

Well,

Apparently New Jersey is shutting down for the day, in the grip
of a winter storm warning.  And through a bizarre remote transferrance
of properties, I'm done with work and going hiking.  Woo-hoo!
Nebel Horn, here I come . . .

Walter


From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Tue Jan 25 11:37:13 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] snow day!
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC66C@houston.matchlogic.com>

Well that ain't fair! Nobody transferred any bizarre, remote properties to
the rest of us and we have to stay at WoRk!
jvs

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2000 10:28 AM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: [boulder.pm] snow day!


Well,

Apparently New Jersey is shutting down for the day, in the grip
of a winter storm warning.  And through a bizarre remote transferrance
of properties, I'm done with work and going hiking.  Woo-hoo!
Nebel Horn, here I come . . .

Walter

From walter at frii.com  Wed Jan 26 09:28:28 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com>

Hi,

Let's have another informal gettogether.

Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
toward the folks who are near the campus.

Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.

This sound about right?

Walter



From hank.turowski at firstworld.net  Wed Jan 26 09:45:38 2000
From: hank.turowski at firstworld.net (Hank Turowski)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <200001261543.KAA06935@happyfunball.pm.org>

I'd REALLY love to come, but Tuesdays are the only night I'm not available.

At 08:28 AM 1/26/00 -0700, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Let's have another informal gettogether.
>
>Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
>toward the folks who are near the campus.
>
>Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
>near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
>It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
>and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
>
>This sound about right?
>
>Walter
> 


From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Wed Jan 26 11:23:34 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC67E@houston.matchlogic.com>

Tue is not a good day for me, but I'll try to be there.
jvs

-----Original Message-----
From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 8:28 AM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting


Hi,

Let's have another informal gettogether.

Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
toward the folks who are near the campus.

Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.

This sound about right?

Walter


From baur at frii.com  Wed Jan 26 11:33:32 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <200001261738.KAA73679@deimos.frii.com>


    It'll work for me... a bit late, but that's okay once in awhile.  (Mondays
don't work at all for me, for future ref.)

Eric

On 1/26/00 at 8:28 AM, Walter Pienciak <walter@frii.com> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Let's have another informal gettogether.
> 
> Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
> toward the folks who are near the campus.
> 
> Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
> near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
> It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
> and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
> 
> This sound about right?
> 
> Walter
> 
> 



From jay.kominek at colorado.edu  Wed Jan 26 11:46:11 2000
From: jay.kominek at colorado.edu (Jay Kominek)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting 
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 26 Jan 2000 08:28:28 MST."
             <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com> 
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com> 
Message-ID: <m12DWWB-000C3uC@nehwon>


> Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
> near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
> It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
> and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
> 
> This sound about right?

I'd be two hours late for that (lab starting at 7pm). Push it back an hour
or two? Or make it wednesday or friday? (Since somebody else didn't like
monday) Or just go with the initial time since you'll never make everybody
happy. :)

- Jay Kominek <jay.kominek@colorado.edu>
  As is above,
  So is below.

From walter at frii.com  Wed Jan 26 12:24:08 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting 
In-Reply-To: <m12DWWB-000C3uC@nehwon>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001261117040.38221-100000@io.frii.com>

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Jay Kominek wrote:

> 
> > Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
> > near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
> > It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
> > and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
> > 
> > This sound about right?
> 
> I'd be two hours late for that (lab starting at 7pm). Push it back an hour
> or two? Or make it wednesday or friday? (Since somebody else didn't like
> monday) Or just go with the initial time since you'll never make everybody
> happy. :)
> 
> - Jay Kominek <jay.kominek@colorado.edu>
>   As is above,
>   So is below.
 
I think I'll keep the time/day as it is, for this one.  I already have
comments that people (can't come on Tuesday or Thursday/can *only* come
on Tuesday or Thursday) and that the time is too (early/late).  And there's
a RMIUG meeting scheduled for Thursday 3 Feb.

Anyone want to build a group scheduler in Perl?  ;^)

Walter


From fholtry at lucent.com  Wed Jan 26 12:25:32 2000
From: fholtry at lucent.com (Frank Holtry)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <388F3C1C.F7157A73@lucent.com>

The date/time is fine with me.  How about some directions from the 
turnpike for those of us who are campus map impaired?  And will 
somebody be wearing a Perl Mongers t-shirt or carrying a sign?

Frank

Walter Pienciak wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Let's have another informal gettogether.
> 
> Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
> toward the folks who are near the campus.
> 
> Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
> near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
> It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
> and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
> 
> This sound about right?
> 
> Walter

-- 
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Frank Holtry           | "If you have the right attitude,
interesting       |
| fholtry@lucent.com     |  problems will find
you."                          |
|                        |                            Eric S.
Raymond         |
|                       
|                                                    |
|                        |         "The Cathedral and the
Bazaar"             |
|                        |      
(http://earthspace.net/~esr/writings/        |
|                        |         
cathedral-paper.html#toc13)               |
|                       
|                                                    |
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From walter at frii.com  Wed Jan 26 12:34:59 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <388F3C1C.F7157A73@lucent.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001261130350.38221-100000@io.frii.com>

On Wed, 26 Jan 2000, Frank Holtry wrote:

> The date/time is fine with me.  How about some directions from the 
> turnpike for those of us who are campus map impaired?  And will 
> somebody be wearing a Perl Mongers t-shirt or carrying a sign?
> 
> Frank
> 
> Walter Pienciak wrote:
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Let's have another informal gettogether.
> > 
> > Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
> > toward the folks who are near the campus.
> > 
> > Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common room
> > near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU campus.
> > It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a vendor,
> > and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
> > 
> > This sound about right?
> > 
> > Walter

I'd like to pass off direction-giving to someone more familiar with the
campus (and maybe the parking situation for that time of night).

As far as distinctive clothing goes -- hey, it's all in the laundry
right now.  By Monday or so, I'll be better organized.

Walter


From sevinsky at colorado.edu  Wed Jan 26 14:11:07 2000
From: sevinsky at colorado.edu (Joel Sevinsky)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
In-Reply-To: <388F3C1C.F7157A73@lucent.com>
Message-ID: <LPBBJPPHJFDHPCBHEEDJMEFECAAA.sevinsky@colorado.edu>

Below are links to maps of the University and Boulder. The UMC is building
#86 and there is a parking deck #24 right next store.  It costs (I think)
$1.25 to park after 5pm.  The meters on the street are free after 5pm but
nearly impossible to find vacant during the semester.  The common area is
one floor down and to the rear if you enter from the main entrance on
Euclid.  Hope that helps.

Joel

http://www.colorado.edu/Directories/WebMap/
http://www.colorado.edu/Directories/WebMap/BoulderMap.html


*******************************************
Joel Sevinsky
Department of MCD Biology
Campus Box 347
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO  80303

(303)492-7794     FAX: (303)492-2439
joel@sevinsky.com
http://www.sevinsky.com
*******************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org
[mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Frank Holtry
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 11:26 AM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] next meeting


The date/time is fine with me.  How about some directions from the
turnpike for those of us who are campus map impaired?  And will
somebody be wearing a Perl Mongers t-shirt or carrying a sign?

Frank

Walter Pienciak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Let's have another informal gettogether.
>
> Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
> toward the folks who are near the campus.
>
> Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common
room
> near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU
campus.
> It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a
vendor,
> and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
>
> This sound about right?
>
> Walter

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
| Frank Holtry           | "If you have the right attitude,
interesting       |
| fholtry@lucent.com     |  problems will find
you."                          |
|                        |                            Eric S.
Raymond         |
|
|                                                    |
|                        |         "The Cathedral and the
Bazaar"             |
|                        |
(http://earthspace.net/~esr/writings/        |
|                        |
cathedral-paper.html#toc13)               |
|
|                                                    |
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---


From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Wed Jan 26 14:34:39 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC685@houston.matchlogic.com>

Thank You! jvs

-----Original Message-----
From: Joel Sevinsky [mailto:sevinsky@colorado.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 1:11 PM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] next meeting


Below are links to maps of the University and Boulder. The UMC is building
#86 and there is a parking deck #24 right next store.  It costs (I think)
$1.25 to park after 5pm.  The meters on the street are free after 5pm but
nearly impossible to find vacant during the semester.  The common area is
one floor down and to the rear if you enter from the main entrance on
Euclid.  Hope that helps.

Joel

http://www.colorado.edu/Directories/WebMap/
http://www.colorado.edu/Directories/WebMap/BoulderMap.html


*******************************************
Joel Sevinsky
Department of MCD Biology
Campus Box 347
University of Colorado
Boulder, CO  80303

(303)492-7794     FAX: (303)492-2439
joel@sevinsky.com
http://www.sevinsky.com
*******************************************

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org
[mailto:owner-boulder-pm-list@pm.org]On Behalf Of Frank Holtry
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 11:26 AM
To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
Subject: Re: [boulder.pm] next meeting


The date/time is fine with me.  How about some directions from the
turnpike for those of us who are campus map impaired?  And will
somebody be wearing a Perl Mongers t-shirt or carrying a sign?

Frank

Walter Pienciak wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> Let's have another informal gettogether.
>
> Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
> toward the folks who are near the campus.
>
> Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big common
room
> near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU
campus.
> It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a
vendor,
> and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till midnight.
>
> This sound about right?
>
> Walter

--
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---
| Frank Holtry           | "If you have the right attitude,
interesting       |
| fholtry@lucent.com     |  problems will find
you."                          |
|                        |                            Eric S.
Raymond         |
|
|                                                    |
|                        |         "The Cathedral and the
Bazaar"             |
|                        |
(http://earthspace.net/~esr/writings/        |
|                        |
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From fholtry at lucent.com  Wed Jan 26 14:43:46 2000
From: fholtry at lucent.com (Frank Holtry)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
References: <LPBBJPPHJFDHPCBHEEDJMEFECAAA.sevinsky@colorado.edu>
Message-ID: <388F5C82.74A6BAEE@lucent.com>

Great! Thanks, Joel.  I think I can find it now.

Joel Sevinsky wrote:
> 
> Below are links to maps of the University and Boulder. The UMC is building
> #86 and there is a parking deck #24 right next store.  It costs (I think)
> $1.25 to park after 5pm.  The meters on the street are free after 5pm but
> nearly impossible to find vacant during the semester.  The common area is
> one floor down and to the rear if you enter from the main entrance on
> Euclid.  Hope that helps.
> 
> Joel
> 
> http://www.colorado.edu/Directories/WebMap/
> http://www.colorado.edu/Directories/WebMap/BoulderMap.html
> 
> *******************************************
> Joel Sevinsky
> Department of MCD Biology
> Campus Box 347
> University of Colorado
> Boulder, CO  80303
> 
> (303)492-7794     FAX: (303)492-2439
> joel@sevinsky.com
> http://www.sevinsky.com
> *******************************************
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From bcollins at csd.net  Wed Jan 26 12:03:16 2000
From: bcollins at csd.net (Bob Collins)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001260814360.36394-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <388F36E4.42FB5CBF@csd.net>

Great idea for a meeting place, I wish I could be there.  I am tied up
Monday and Tuesday evenings, but I hope it works out for many others. 
You can't make a time for everyone.  I will just have to continue
lurking.

Regards,
Bob Collins
                       bcollins@csd.net



From MZuehlke at NA2.US.ML.com  Wed Jan 26 20:58:39 2000
From: MZuehlke at NA2.US.ML.com (Zuehlke, Michael (DPRC - Denver))
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] next meeting
Message-ID: <61CDE3AD7FCAD111B57A00805FA7BB7B015281D4@EDEN04>

Walter,

I would enjoy spending some time with everyone; but alas, I have to work.
:-)

Mike

	
	Hi,

	Let's have another informal gettogether.

	Last time, we sat in a restaurant.  This time, I'd like to lean more
	toward the folks who are near the campus.

	Next Tuesday night (1 Feb), at 7 pm, I'd like to meet in the big
common room
	near the food court area at the University Memorial Center on the CU
campus.
	It's open late, and people who want to eat can grab something from a
vendor,
	and people who want to stay and talk won't get kicked out till
midnight.

	This sound about right?

	Walter

	


From kmoore at trustamerica.com  Thu Jan 27 14:55:34 2000
From: kmoore at trustamerica.com (Kyle Moore)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] activity on the list
References: <38879E93.94E3A469@trustamerica.com>
Message-ID: <3890B0C6.8EB4190C@trustamerica.com>

Anyone out there using the Adobe Acrobat SDK? It consists of a perl
module and their directions for installing it suck? I'm just wondering
if anyone has any experience with it?

I want to have a PDF form on the web that users can fill out and submit
to a process that will output a FDF file to a directory on the server.
Then FDF file can later be referenced as a link in an email that would
bring the person to a web page with the form and the data merged as one.

Any ideas?

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From WTown78521 at cs.com  Thu Jan 27 22:20:53 2000
From: WTown78521 at cs.com (WTown78521@cs.com)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] unsubscribe
Message-ID: <ba.edd10a.25c27325@cs.com>

unsubscribe 

From llornkcor at llornkcor.com  Fri Jan 28 10:41:37 2000
From: llornkcor at llornkcor.com (ljp)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Fw: Fwd: there is smoke coming out of the power supply
Message-ID: <001f01bf69ae$8c5e9ce0$3e4df4d1@ship>

And now for something completely different....
worth maybe a chuckle.

> > A guy rings tech support to report that his computer is faulty.
> >
> >   Tech: What's the problem?
> >   User: There is smoke coming out of the power supply.
> >   Tech: You'll need a new power supply.
> >   User: No, I don't! I just need to change the startup files.
> >   Tech: Sir, the power supply is faulty. You'll need to replace it.
> >   User: No way! Someone told me that I just needed to change the startup
files
> >   and it will fix the problem! All I need is for you to tell me the
command.
> >   Ten minutes later, the user is still persistent that he is right. The
tech is
> >   frustrated and give up.
> >   Tech: Sorry, Sir. We don't normally tell our customers this, but there
is an
> >   undocumented DOS command that will fix the problem.
> >   User: I knew it!
> >   Tech: Just add the line LOAD NOSMOKE.COM at the end of the
> >   CONFIG.SYS. Let me know how it goes.
> >   Ten minutes later.
> >   User: It didn't work. The power supply is still smoking.
> >   Tech: Well, what version of DOS are you using?
> >   User: MS-DOS 6.22.
> >   Tech: That's your problem there. That version of DOS didn't come with
> >   NOSMOKE. Contact Microsoft and ask them for a patch that will give you
the
> >   file. Let me know how it goes.
> >   One hour later.
> >   User: I need a new power supply.
> >   Tech: How did you come to that conclusion?
> >   User: Well, I rang Microsoft and told him about what you said, and he
started
> >   asking questions about the make of power supply.
> >   Tech: Then what did he say?
> >   User: He told me that my power supply isn't compatible with NOSMOKE.
> > -------------------------------------------------------
> >



From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 12:49:42 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311144110.18088-100000@io.frii.com>

[sigh]

I just wasted an hour driving down to the Barnes and Noble next
to Whole Foods.  They didn't have any of the books I was looking
for.  No, not true, they did have one, but it turned out that
it wasn't the book I was looking for . . . ;^)

Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
buyer knows the field."

Walter


From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 12:54:41 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: No subject
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311150270.18088-100000@io.frii.com>

The Perl Journal is running a Perl poetry contest, if you're so
inclined.  It's in issue 16, which isn't on their website yet
<http://www.itknowledge.com/tpj/>, but I'll bring a copy of the
magazine tomorrow night for any aspiring muses.

Walter


From baur at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 12:56:26 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311144110.18088-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311155190.18079-100000@io.frii.com>


	I've found that The Tattered Cover usually has a fairly good
selection... at least, I've seen things there that I haven't seen anywhere
else.  :)  I used to work at the CU Book Store, and thier selection was
okay, but nothing great.

Eric



From CWA at DISC.com  Mon Jan 31 12:59:22 2000
From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
Message-ID: <E71EB977BB95D211A18000104B10635481574B@wnt2.disc.com>

Try UTC.  They are on Walnut down town across the street from the 7-11.  B&N
isn't too bad from what I've seen though.  It's just that the books are
scattered all over the place.  There's also a place in Denver that's good.
I believe it's called Computer Pro, but I'm not sure.

Chip

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:50 AM
> To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
> 
> 
> [sigh]
> 
> I just wasted an hour driving down to the Barnes and Noble next
> to Whole Foods.  They didn't have any of the books I was looking
> for.  No, not true, they did have one, but it turned out that
> it wasn't the book I was looking for . . . ;^)
> 
> Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
> of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
> random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
> but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
> buyer knows the field."
> 
> Walter
> 

From CWA at DISC.com  Mon Jan 31 13:04:10 2000
From: CWA at DISC.com (William Atkinson)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
Message-ID: <E71EB977BB95D211A18000104B10635481574E@wnt2.disc.com>

I just remembered -- it was Softpro in Denver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Atkinson [mailto:CWA@DISC.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:59 AM
> To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
> Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
> 
> 
> Try UTC.  They are on Walnut down town across the street from 
> the 7-11.  B&N
> isn't too bad from what I've seen though.  It's just that the 
> books are
> scattered all over the place.  There's also a place in Denver 
> that's good.
> I believe it's called Computer Pro, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Chip
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:50 AM
> > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
> > 
> > 
> > [sigh]
> > 
> > I just wasted an hour driving down to the Barnes and Noble next
> > to Whole Foods.  They didn't have any of the books I was looking
> > for.  No, not true, they did have one, but it turned out that
> > it wasn't the book I was looking for . . . ;^)
> > 
> > Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
> > of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
> > random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
> > but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
> > buyer knows the field."
> > 
> > Walter
> > 
> 

From jwells at nexdata.com  Mon Jan 31 13:09:17 2000
From: jwells at nexdata.com (Jason Wells)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311144110.18088-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <3895DDDD.D17E57CF@nexdata.com>

Walter Pienciak wrote:

> Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
> of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
> random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
> but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
> buyer knows the field."

Bibliotech on 16th (?) and Walnut used to be pretty good.  I haven't
been in there for a few years though.  Is it still around?

The Boulder Bookstore has a good selection of books in their basement.
I don't know if they're really in touch with the field or not, but it
seemed that they had sorted through lots of the garbage that's usually
at Barnes and Noble.

-Jason





From fholtry at lucent.com  Mon Jan 31 13:43:17 2000
From: fholtry at lucent.com (Frank Holtry)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
References: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311144110.18088-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <3895E5D5.4E8D2445@lucent.com>

There's a Borders at 104th and I-25 in Denver (used to be the Northglen
Mall) that has a pretty comprehensive selection.

Walter Pienciak wrote:
> 
> [sigh]
> 
> I just wasted an hour driving down to the Barnes and Noble next
> to Whole Foods.  They didn't have any of the books I was looking
> for.  No, not true, they did have one, but it turned out that
> it wasn't the book I was looking for . . . ;^)
> 
> Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
> of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
> random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
> but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
> buyer knows the field."
> 
> Walter

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Raymond         |
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From jvanslyk at matchlogic.com  Mon Jan 31 13:42:51 2000
From: jvanslyk at matchlogic.com (Jason Van Slyke)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
Message-ID: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC6DF@houston.matchlogic.com>

Walter,
I too have heard that SoftPro is a good store but haven't made the personal
investment (time/driving in town/finding it/etc) to know first hand.  Like
Jason Wells, I have used Boulder Bookstore at the west end of Pearl St Plaza
(1 blk W of Braodway at Pearl). Not a bad selection but not terrific either.


What I do is look at reviews in TPJ or on Amazon and Fatbrain then see if I
can find the book @ a local store to browse. Boulder Bookstore has a better
hit rate that B&N or Border's. (I spread my book buying between BBstore,
Amazon & Fatbrain to balance service vs purchase...like anyone cared.)
jvs

-----Original Message-----
From: William Atkinson [mailto:CWA@DISC.com]
Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 12:04 PM
To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?


I just remembered -- it was Softpro in Denver

> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Atkinson [mailto:CWA@DISC.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:59 AM
> To: 'boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org'
> Subject: RE: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
> 
> 
> Try UTC.  They are on Walnut down town across the street from 
> the 7-11.  B&N
> isn't too bad from what I've seen though.  It's just that the 
> books are
> scattered all over the place.  There's also a place in Denver 
> that's good.
> I believe it's called Computer Pro, but I'm not sure.
> 
> Chip
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Walter Pienciak [mailto:walter@frii.com]
> > Sent: Monday, January 31, 2000 11:50 AM
> > To: boulder-pm-list@happyfunball.pm.org
> > Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
> > 
> > 
> > [sigh]
> > 
> > I just wasted an hour driving down to the Barnes and Noble next
> > to Whole Foods.  They didn't have any of the books I was looking
> > for.  No, not true, they did have one, but it turned out that
> > it wasn't the book I was looking for . . . ;^)
> > 
> > Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
> > of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
> > random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
> > but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
> > buyer knows the field."
> > 
> > Walter
> > 
> 

From baur at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 13:57:49 2000
From: baur at frii.com (Eric Shore Baur)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] grabbing ()
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311251530.19007-100000@io.frii.com>


	I'm working on a project where I'm looking through PS files for
attendace data (at my high school)... and I'm basically just looking at
anything in () by doing:

@keep = map { /\((.*)\)/ } @lines;

	For the most part, this pulls out everything that would be on
the printed page (and some extra stuff that I can just ignore).  The
problem I've run into (at least in part) is lines that contained () to
start with.  A line that looks, when printed, like this:

*** Period 4: IMP MATH 1A (22)

becomes:

*** Period 4: IMP MATH 1A \(22\)

	Do I have to look back through the whole array to fix that, or can
I do it in the same line with the map?  (or, is there a better way than
map to do this?)

Thanks for any ideas,
Eric


From gfa at idiom.com  Mon Jan 31 14:12:37 2000
From: gfa at idiom.com (Glenn Ashton)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311155190.18079-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.05.10001311210550.84023-100000@idiom.com>


Softpro books in Denver.

Biliotek in Boulder.

CU Buffalo Chip Computer Store (part of the bookstore) gives a 20%
discount to Boulder Linux User's Group members.  And their selection is
very good at this point.

-Glenn Ashton



From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 14:56:51 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] grabbing ()
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311251530.19007-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311347040.19699-100000@io.frii.com>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Eric Shore Baur wrote:

> 	I'm working on a project where I'm looking through PS files for
> attendace data (at my high school)... and I'm basically just looking at
> anything in () by doing:
> 
> @keep = map { /\((.*)\)/ } @lines;
> 
> 	For the most part, this pulls out everything that would be on
> the printed page (and some extra stuff that I can just ignore).  The
> problem I've run into (at least in part) is lines that contained () to
> start with.  A line that looks, when printed, like this:
> 
> *** Period 4: IMP MATH 1A (22)
> 
> becomes:
> 
> *** Period 4: IMP MATH 1A \(22\)
> 
> 	Do I have to look back through the whole array to fix that, or can
> I do it in the same line with the map?  (or, is there a better way than
> map to do this?)
> 
> Thanks for any ideas,
> Eric

I wrote some quick code to play with, as follows,

#!/opt/bin/perl -w 

my @lines = (
    "This is junk #1",
    "(This is a keeper)", 
    "(This is a keeper (with parens))", 
    "This is junk #2", 
); 
 
my @keep = map { /\((.*)\)/ } @lines; 
 
foreach my $item ( @keep ) { 
    print $item, "\n"; 
}

and I'm not getting any escaped parentheses in the output.  At any rate,
if you're going to wind up doing a string of substitutions (I did a
sed PS-to-ASCII script once, and a few were needed), you might want
to eschew the map and process the array in a foreach loop.

Walter



From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 15:00:56 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] grabbing ()
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311251530.19007-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311357410.19699-100000@io.frii.com>

And of course, after I hit send, I look through some dusty stuff and
find out that there can be escaped parentheses in the PS code itself,
so maybe that's where yours are coming from and so you'd want to have

s/\\(/(/g
s/\\)/)/g

or somesuch in your program too.

Walter



From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 15:09:29 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] Perl/CGI instructor opportunity
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311405300.19699-100000@io.frii.com>

Hi,

There's an opportunity down in Broomfield to teach a Perl/CGI
class, in a web-admin program, which would run from March 20-24,
9 AM to 5 PM.

If anyone is interested, drop me an e-mail and I'll get you in
touch with the right people.

Walter


From zeb at utalk.org  Mon Jan 31 15:28:25 2000
From: zeb at utalk.org (Lamar Zabielski)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001311144110.18088-100000@io.frii.com>
Message-ID: <4.1.20000131142541.00918c80@mail.dimensional.com>

MicroCenter has a great selection, great prices, great bargain aisle of books
$2-5. If you're going to buy a few it's worth the trip to almost the Tech
Center.

At 11:49 AM 01/31/2000 , Walter Pienciak wrote:
>[sigh]
>
>I just wasted an hour driving down to the Barnes and Noble next
>to Whole Foods.  They didn't have any of the books I was looking
>for.  No, not true, they did have one, but it turned out that
>it wasn't the book I was looking for . . . ;^)
>
>Anyone have a suggestion for a bookstore with a decent selection
>of computer books -- not just the Idiot's Guides or an apparently
>random statistical sampling of all books published, good and bad --
>but the kind of selection that makes you say, "Ahh, this store's
>buyer knows the field."
>
>Walter


From kmoore at trustamerica.com  Mon Jan 31 16:45:08 2000
From: kmoore at trustamerica.com (Kyle Moore)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
References: <4.1.20000131142541.00918c80@mail.dimensional.com>
Message-ID: <38961074.3071DF06@trustamerica.com>

It isn't a Boulder store but then again I live way down here and go to
Boulder user group meetings.

Softpro in "Denver" (actually probably Engelwood) is amazing. It is a
little store just off of the highway. You can get a discount on books if
you belong to their club (I think still free). The only thing they have
is computer books. What a great store. An additional note is that they
support the local user groups and are usually fairly knowledeable about
their stock. Please give them a try.

If you need directions:
I-25 to Westbound Arapahoe
South on Yosemite (the first light)
They are on the left side in a strip mall.
Turn when you see "The Egg & I" or "Nick and Willy's"

If you come down C-470:
Exit at Yosemite
North on Yosemite until you see it on the right...before you get to
Arapahoe.

This really is one of my favorite stores.
-- 

----
Kyle Moore
UNIX Systems Administrator
Webmaster
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Trust Company of America / Gemisys
7103 South Revere Parkway
Englewood, CO 80112
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From hank.turowski at firstworld.net  Mon Jan 31 16:52:28 2000
From: hank.turowski at firstworld.net (Hank Turowski)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] bookstore with good computer section?
In-Reply-To: <64003B21ECCAD11185C500805F31EC03040AC6DF@houston.matchlogi
 c.com>
Message-ID: <200001312249.RAA09734@happyfunball.pm.org>

SoftPro is great. Its located at 6862 South Yosemite St in the Southgate
Shopping center. I25 south to Arapahoe, head west and turn left (South) at
the first light. Its about a block down on the left (East) side of the street.

The number is 303.740.7751
and the URL http://www.softpro.com

And no, I dont work there. 8)

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From rcarlino at home.com  Mon Jan 31 21:32:48 2000
From: rcarlino at home.com (Ray Carlino)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:13 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] http/1.1 question
Message-ID: <00013120352103.20242@c70511-a.lakwod1.co.home.com>

I have a perl script that pares html pages for a text only output. It works
great on netscape but IE uses http/1.1 and I get an error saying hostname not
in header. How do I get the hostname for a vhost under apache? I am using ip
based vhosts and they have different names.

Thanks
Ray

From walter at frii.com  Mon Jan 31 23:16:43 2000
From: walter at frii.com (Walter Pienciak)
Date: Wed Aug  4 23:58:14 2004
Subject: [boulder.pm] http/1.1 question
In-Reply-To: <00013120352103.20242@c70511-a.lakwod1.co.home.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.10.10001312159560.25432-100000@io.frii.com>

On Mon, 31 Jan 2000, Ray Carlino wrote:

> I have a perl script that pares html pages for a text only output. It works
> great on netscape but IE uses http/1.1 and I get an error saying hostname not
> in header. How do I get the hostname for a vhost under apache? I am using ip
> based vhosts and they have different names.
> 
> Thanks
> Ray

Hi,

I'm not clear exactly what you're trying to do -- posting some code
might be helpful if I'm off-base where you're going.

It sounds like what you're asking is how to get the hostname for
an IP address?

use Socket;
$hostname = gethostbyaddr(inet_aton($ip_address), AF_INET);

But if you're doing this on your own systems, you can code the info into
a hash and it'll be much quicker and more robust:

%addresses = (
    "1.2.3.4"	=> "foo.bar.com",
    "1.2.3.5"	=> "baz.bar.com",
);
if ( defined $addresses{$ip_address} ) {
    $hostname = $addresses{$ip_address};
} else { 
    # your whoops function 
    print "Whoops!\n"; 	# Well, maybe something more better than this!
}

Walter