From swm at swmcc.com Mon Feb 3 07:54:16 2003 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:58 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? Message-ID: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> Hi Folks :) Can anyone confirm the next meeting for us lot? Is Mr. Schwern still speaking? If so what on? I know I should write a bit more and stuff, but it is Monday, I am just back from holiday and I am trying to as little as possible.[0] Thanks, [0] Yes, even less than I usually do :)[1] [1] Do not forward this onto the Powers that be please :) -- Stephen McCullough www.swmcc.com From karen at kasei.com Mon Feb 3 08:13:38 2003 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:58 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20030203141338.GA24046@soto.kasei.com> Hello, On Mon Feb 3 13:54:16 2003, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Hi Folks :) > > Can anyone confirm the next meeting for us lot? Is Mr. Schwern still speaking? > If so what on? I'll get in touch with Mike today and see if I can find out if and when he is planning on getting to Belfast. Karen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Feb 3 08:25:42 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:58 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 01:54:16PM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Can anyone confirm the next meeting for us lot? Is Mr. Schwern still speaking? It'll be February the 17th [0] at 7pm in Jelly, 24 College Gardens. > [1] Do not forward this onto the Powers that be please :) I couldn't find an email address for Powers, but I'm going to buy a bottle and let it know... [0] We're the third Monday of the month, aren't we? -- Russell Matbouli | You are as dazzling as a pregnant cow russell@futureless.org | attired in electrical sockets PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030203/983af947/attachment.bin From karen at kasei.com Mon Feb 3 08:32:30 2003 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:58 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> On Mon Feb 3 14:25:42 2003, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 01:54:16PM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: > > Can anyone confirm the next meeting for us lot? Is Mr. Schwern still speaking? > > It'll be February the 17th [0] at 7pm in Jelly, 24 College Gardens. We meet on the second Monday in the month. -- Karen From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Mon Feb 3 08:34:08 2003 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:58 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? Message-ID: Russell said: > [0] We're the third Monday of the month, aren't we? I believe thats blug -- Pete From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Feb 3 09:10:59 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:32:30PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > We meet on the second Monday in the month. So, it would be the 10th, but Marc wants to change to a day that isn't Monday, and I can't do Tuesday. Marc, are you going to skip class, or move the PM day? -- Russell Matbouli | Sticking feathers up your butt russell@futureless.org | does not make you a chicken PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I don't want the date changed. It was hard enough settling on one before. We settled. Deal with it. That sounds harsher than it should, it's just that I remember the hassle and confusion we went through last time. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Feb 3 10:42:24 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030203164224.GB10142@labac.net> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:30:07PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > I'm putting my foot down right now. I don't want the date changed. It > was hard enough settling on one before. We settled. Deal with it. That > sounds harsher than it should, it's just that I remember the hassle and > confusion we went through last time. I was only joking, it wasn't a really serious suggestion. (I also remember the hassle of settling on a date.) OK, so I wanted it changed to suit me. So I wouldn't have to skip class. m. -- Be ready at all times. God didn't tell Noah to build a weather observation post. He told him to build a boat. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Feb 3 10:48:16 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030203164816.GA8352@futureless.org> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:30:07PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > I'm putting my foot down right now. I don't want the date changed. It > was hard enough settling on one before. We settled. Deal with it. That > sounds harsher than it should, it's just that I remember the hassle and > confusion we went through last time. That's fine by me, Sir. *crawls back under a rock* Mondays are good for me, apart from them being Monday, of course. -- Russell Matbouli | I write this alone in my bed russell@futureless.org | I've poisoned every room in the house PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030203180919.GG22101@soto.kasei.com> On Mon Feb 3 16:30:07 2003, Steve Rushe wrote: > > I'm putting my foot down right now. I don't want the date changed. I'll put my foot down right behind yours. -- Marty From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Mon Feb 3 13:01:18 2003 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: March's Meeting - Mark-Jason Dominus In-Reply-To: <20030203164704.GA25698@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030203164704.GA25698@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030203190118.GA15800@deeden.co.uk> On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 04:47:04PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > Hello, > > The March meeting will be held at 7 pm on Monday 31st March 2003 at > BT's Riverside Tower. The speaker will be Mark-Jason Dominus and the > title of the talk is "The Perl Hardware Store". > > If you are planning on going please let me know so I have some idea how > many people to expect. Well I'll definitely be going. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Supermodel! Do you mean superficial? From paul.dundas at btinternet.com Mon Feb 3 19:16:08 2003 From: paul.dundas at btinternet.com (Paul Dundas) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <3E3F1458.3010207@btinternet.com> Steve Rushe wrote: >On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 03:10:59PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > >>On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 02:32:30PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: >> >> >>>We meet on the second Monday in the month. >>> >>> >>So, it would be the 10th, but Marc wants to change to a day that isn't >>Monday, and I can't do Tuesday. Marc, are you going to skip class, or >>move the PM day? >> >> > >I'm putting my foot down right now. I don't want the date changed. > OK. So now that all the feet have fallen, which date have we ended up with? 10th or 17th? I'm an engineer of very little brain, and I'm confused. Paul -- Paul Dundas 'ACHTUNG! ALLES LOOKENSPEEPERS! Das Internet is nicht fuer gefingerclicken und giffengrabben. Ist easy droppenpacket der routers und overloaden der backbone mit der spammen unt der me-tooen. Ist nicht fuer gewerken bei das dumpkopfen. Das mausklicken sichtseeren keepen das bandwit-spewin hans in das pockets muss; relaxen und watchen das cursorblinken.' Playing: So Long Marianne - Leonard Cohen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Tue Feb 4 03:27:06 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3E3F1458.3010207@btinternet.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> <3E3F1458.3010207@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20030204092706.GA9390@futureless.org> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 01:16:08AM +0000, Paul Dundas wrote: > 10th or 17th? 10th. Sorry for the confusion. -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | the things you used to own, now they own you PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030204/3dfba87f/attachment.bin From andrew at rivendale.net Tue Feb 4 04:38:07 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030204092706.GA9390@futureless.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030203142542.GB7854@futureless.org> <20030203143230.GB24046@soto.kasei.com> <20030203151059.GA8018@futureless.org> <20030203163007.GA12318@deeden.co.uk> <3E3F1458.3010207@btinternet.com> <20030204092706.GA9390@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20030204103807.GY16763@rivendale.net> On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 09:27:06AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Tue, Feb 04, 2003 at 01:16:08AM +0000, Paul Dundas wrote: >> 10th or 17th? > > 10th. Sorry for the confusion. We have a guest speaker coming this month, we don't know when he'll be here. When we know when he's coming we'll tell you when the meeting is. For those still not clear. This is not a standard month, the meeting may be held on the standard date (the 10th) if our speaker is in the country. It may well not be held on the standard date. Next month's meeting is definitely not on the standard date because the guest speaker that month will not be here on the second Monday. The march meeting is on the 31st. Normal service will be resumed in April (probably). andrew -- Sagittarius: (Nov. 22 - Dec. 21) Good things will happen when you least expect, greatly embarrassing you while you're trying to enjoy a shit in peace. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The speaker will be Mark-Jason Dominus and the > > title of the talk is "The Perl Hardware Store". > > > > If you are planning on going please let me know so I have some idea how > > many people to expect. > > Well I'll definitely be going. I will going as well. Thanks, -- Stephen McCullough www.swmcc.com From schwern at pobox.com Tue Feb 4 16:38:41 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> On Monday, Feb 3, 2003, at 05:54 US/Pacific, Stephen McCullough wrote: > Hi Folks :) > > Can anyone confirm the next meeting for us lot? Is Mr. Schwern still > speaking? > If so what on? Hello, WHAT?! From karen at martian.org Wed Feb 5 08:32:14 2003 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> On Tue Feb 4 14:38:41 2003, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Monday, Feb 3, 2003, at 05:54 US/Pacific, Stephen McCullough wrote: > >Hi Folks :) > > > >Can anyone confirm the next meeting for us lot? Is Mr. Schwern still > >speaking? > >If so what on? > > Hello, WHAT?! If Mr. Schwern would like to cast his mind back to email communications that took place sometime around the 10th December 2002 he would maybe realise that he thought coming over to visit the Perl Mongers was a good idea and that he would quite like that :) However, I have been in communication with the elusive Mr. Schwern and if he is able to come over it will be at the start of March and not February. If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any ideas as to how we should raise the money? -- Karen From andrew at rivendale.net Wed Feb 5 08:47:42 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:32:14PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > On Tue Feb 4 14:38:41 2003, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Hello, WHAT?! > > If Mr. Schwern would like to cast his mind back to email communications > that took place sometime around the 10th December 2002 he would maybe > realise that he thought coming over to visit the Perl Mongers was a good > idea and that he would quite like that :) Oh well, if you're going to quote facts. > However, I have been in communication with the elusive Mr. Schwern and > if he is able to come over it will be at the start of March and not > February. > > If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his > travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any > ideas as to how we should raise the money? How much is a flight likely to be 40 quidish. get definite numbers and stick a door charge on it. On a related note. I propose that since Mr. Schwern will not be here at all in February that we make February's meeting a social in Roast. Make Schwern March's speaker and hold a special extra meeting for Dominus at the end of March. andrew -- Cancer: (June 22 - July 22) Your career as a plastic surgeon is in danger of coming to a premature end this week, when you confront your arch-enemy, the dreaded Steel Surgeon. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030205/0eedadda/attachment.bin From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Wed Feb 5 09:12:08 2003 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com>; from karen@martian.org on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:32:14PM +0000 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030205151208.B18812@blackstar.co.uk> On (05/02/03 14:32), Karen Pauley wrote: > If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his > travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any > ideas as to how we should raise the money? Human darts? Here's a rough outline of how a game like that could work : Marc[0] stands against a wall. Players line up 7 feet 9 1/4 inches away and throw darts. Let's say one pound per dart. The money raised goes towards Schwern's trip. I'd say he'll be able to fly first class with BA if we market this event just right! Thanks Duggie [0] It doesn't have to be Marc, it can be anyone, as long as they meet the official height for darts - which is 5 feet 8 inches tall. :-) From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Feb 5 09:33:05 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:32:14PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his > travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any > ideas as to how we should raise the money? Bake sale? Car boot sale? Pub crawl? Everyone gives in some money? I don't think easyJet are that expensive, assuming you book far enough in advance... Everyone (who wants to hear Schwern speak) could give in a fiver and that'd cover it, assuming we get the usual crowd... Or Schwern could pay, and we'd get him massively drunk, to the price of his plane ticket from A'dam... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | ...wit all due respect PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | From andrew at rivendale.net Wed Feb 5 09:53:24 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:33:05PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:32:14PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > > If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his > > travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any > > ideas as to how we should raise the money? > > Bake sale? Car boot sale? Pub crawl? > > Everyone gives in some money? I don't think Easyjet are that expensive, > assuming you book far enough in advance... Everyone (who wants to hear > Schwern speak) could give in a fiver and that'd cover it, assuming we > get the usual crowd... > > Or Schwern could pay, and we'd get him massively drunk, to the price of > his plane ticket from A'dam... An absolutely fabulous plan with one drawback. Schwern doesn't drink. andrew -- Cancer: (June 22 - July 22) Freezing temperatures outside can mean only one thing. Time to move your computer outside so you can squeeze a few more clock cycles out of it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In that case, it had better be one cheap flight... ;) -- Russell Matbouli | I know I believe in nothing russell@futureless.org | but it is my nothing PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | From schwern at ttul.org Wed Feb 5 16:09:16 2003 From: schwern at ttul.org (schwern@ttul.org) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net>; from andrew@rivendale.net on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:53:24PM +0000 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Or Schwern could pay, and we'd get him massively drunk, to the price of > > his plane ticket from A'dam... > > An absolutely fabulous plan with one drawback. Schwern doesn't drink. Yes he does. [1] [1] Blame Germany From schwern at ttul.org Wed Feb 5 16:47:47 2003 From: schwern at ttul.org (schwern@ttul.org) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net>; from andrew@rivendale.net on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:47:42PM +0000 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:47:42PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > If Mr. Schwern would like to cast his mind back to email communications > > that took place sometime around the 10th December 2002 he would maybe > > realise that he thought coming over to visit the Perl Mongers was a good > > idea and that he would quite like that :) > > Oh well, if you're going to quote facts. Kindly do not attempt to cloud the isssue with facts. > > If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his > > travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any > > ideas as to how we should raise the money? > > How much is a flight likely to be 40 quidish. get definite numbers and > stick a door charge on it. Last I checked it was about 60 each way, easyjet.com has chosen this moment to go belly up in a way its planes hopefully won't so I can't confirm, but that's about right. OTOH if I can somehow get to London a round trip to Belfast is a just 3.00. Crazy airlines run by crazy millionares++. I feel like a heel asking for money to come over and speak, but money's real tight and jobs are far between. Ingy and I are currently working as blacksmith's assistants to pay the rent, which is actually kinda fun and I've only been wounded once [1] and the smith doesn't beat us quite so hard and the black lung from inhaling steel dust isn't so bad *cough*cough* [2] Whatever you can come up with, in paper, metal or liquid form, will be lovely and I thank you for the show of appreciation. [3] I'll book a flight to come in sometime on Sunday and fly out... I dunno. Would Wednesday be too long to slob around? [1] I have a new found understanding of torque as it relates to hand-held power grinders. [2] Dickens, eat your heart out. [3] Or as my friend Christina puts it, "tangible love energy" From schwern at ttul.org Wed Feb 5 16:49:38 2003 From: schwern at ttul.org (schwern@ttul.org) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org>; from schwern@ttul.org on Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:09:16PM -0800 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030205144938.D31379@ttul.org> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:09:16PM -0800, schwern@ttul.org wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 03:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > Or Schwern could pay, and we'd get him massively drunk, to the price of > > > his plane ticket from A'dam... > > > > An absolutely fabulous plan with one drawback. Schwern doesn't drink. > > Yes he does. [1] > > [1] Blame Germany PS I see whisky milkshakes fitting into this payment plan. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Feb 6 04:17:56 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205144938.D31379@ttul.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org> <20030205144938.D31379@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030206101756.GA12407@labac.net> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:49:38PM -0800, schwern@ttul.org wrote: > > PS I see whisky milkshakes fitting into this payment plan. But, as you recall, Mr Squern, it was you and your boycott that put that place which dished you the aforementioned milkshakes out of business. You come here, take our jobs, women and cars, then close down our favourite eateries. pah. m. -- Sharon: I was like, totally shocked when I read swm's postings on the list. I thought he was a quiet boy. Everyone else: *racuous laughter* -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From karen at kasei.com Thu Feb 6 04:22:22 2003 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030206102222.GA27207@soto.kasei.com> On Wed Feb 5 14:47:47 2003, schwern@ttul.org wrote: > > Whatever you can come up with, in paper, metal or liquid form, will be > lovely and I thank you for the show of appreciation. [3] I'm sure we'll come up with something. (Wonders if we really could get Marc to play human darts) > > I'll book a flight to come in sometime on Sunday and fly out... I dunno. > Would Wednesday be too long to slob around? No, that should be O.K. Send me details of your flights when you've got them. All the best, Karen From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Thu Feb 6 04:32:06 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle Message-ID: <20030206103206.GA22588@soto.kasei.com> Sorry for the delay in the Boggle results. I've been busy. The judging will take place this evening and the results will be posted tomorrow. I'll also try to think up another fun challenge. -- Marty From andrew at rivendale.net Thu Feb 6 04:35:12 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030206103512.GE16763@rivendale.net> On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:47:47PM -0800, schwern@ttul.org wrote: > > > If we would like Schwern to speak will need to raise the money for his > > > travel costs. He will be in Amsterdam and can fly with Easyjet. Any > > > ideas as to how we should raise the money? > > > > How much is a flight likely to be 40 quidish. get definite numbers and > > stick a door charge on it. > > Last I checked it was about 60 each way, easyjet.com has chosen this moment > to go belly up in a way its planes hopefully won't so I can't confirm, but > that's about right. OTOH if I can somehow get to London a round trip to > Belfast is a just 3.00. Crazy airlines run by crazy millionaires++. If you book it early enough and are flexible about when you travel you can potentially get a flight for about 60 euro + tax one way. More popular flights are more expensive and it gets dearer if you book closer to when you want to leave. Crazy airlines run by crazy millionaires++ indeed, although I suspect that's what we call a loss leader. > I feel like a heel asking for money to come over and speak, but money's > real tight and jobs are far between. Ingy and I are currently working as > blacksmith's assistants to pay the rent, which is actually kinda fun and I've > only been wounded once [1] and the smith doesn't beat us quite so hard and > the black lung from inhaling steel dust isn't so bad *cough*cough* [2] This is cool beyond words. > Whatever you can come up with, in paper, metal or liquid form, will be > lovely and I thank you for the show of appreciation. [3] > > I'll book a flight to come in sometime on Sunday and fly out... I dunno. > Would Wednesday be too long to slob around? I'm looking forward to seeing you. I seem to remember that I drank more of the whiskey milkshake than you did. But, as Marc has said, unfortunately that fine eatery is now out of business. andrew -- Capricorn: (Dec. 22 - Jan. 19) You thought you'd heard of all the kinky fetishes, but that was before next week's launch of a 24-hour doll-collecting channel. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030206/074c24d3/attachment.bin From swm at swmcc.com Thu Feb 6 04:50:51 2003 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030206103512.GE16763@rivendale.net> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> <20030206103512.GE16763@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20030206105051.GA13277@gandalf.swmcc.com> > > Whatever you can come up with, in paper, metal or liquid form, will be > > lovely and I thank you for the show of appreciation. [3] > > > > I'll book a flight to come in sometime on Sunday and fly out... I dunno. > > Would Wednesday be too long to slob around? > > I'm looking forward to seeing you. I seem to remember that I drank more > of the whiskey milkshake than you did. But, as Marc has said, > unfortunately that fine eatery is now out of business. What, you actually drunk a proper drink and not one of those really weak girly drinks? This I have to see. What was your favourite again, Melon Bicardi Breezer? -- Stephen McCullough www.swmcc.com From andrew at rivendale.net Thu Feb 6 07:12:19 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030206105051.GA13277@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> <20030206103512.GE16763@rivendale.net> <20030206105051.GA13277@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20030206131219.GF16763@rivendale.net> On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:50:51AM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: >> I'm looking forward to seeing you. I seem to remember that I drank >> more of the whiskey milkshake than you did. But, as Marc has said, >> unfortunately that fine eatery is now out of business. > > What, you actually drunk a proper drink and not one of those really > weak girly drinks? This I have to see. What was your favourite again, > Melon Bicardi Breezer? I fail to see how a milshake is less "girly" than a Bacardi Breezer. No, I'm not embarrased about drinking them --- Fluffer boy. Whiskey is my drink of choice when I can't get Bacardi Breezers. The flavour you're looking for is Watermellon. andrew -- Virgo: (Aug. 23 - Sept. 22) You'll soon find yourself in the midst of a power struggle, as two corrupt and ruthless families fight for control of a small town. Whatever you do, don't trust the drunken undertaker. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: <20030206101756.GA12407@labac.net>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:17:56AM +0000 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org> <20030205144938.D31379@ttul.org> <20030206101756.GA12407@labac.net> Message-ID: <20030206161651.B26228@ttul.org> On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:17:56AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:49:38PM -0800, schwern@ttul.org wrote: > > > > PS I see whisky milkshakes fitting into this payment plan. > > But, as you recall, Mr Squern, it was you and your boycott that put that > place which dished you the aforementioned milkshakes out of business. YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!! Next thing you'll tell me is the Titanic went under. From schwern at ttul.org Thu Feb 6 18:22:40 2003 From: schwern at ttul.org (schwern@ttul.org) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030206103512.GE16763@rivendale.net>; from andrew@rivendale.net on Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:35:12AM +0000 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <20030205144747.C31379@ttul.org> <20030206103512.GE16763@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20030206162240.C26228@ttul.org> On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:35:12AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Whatever you can come up with, in paper, metal or liquid form, will be > > lovely and I thank you for the show of appreciation. [3] > > > > I'll book a flight to come in sometime on Sunday and fly out... I dunno. > > Would Wednesday be too long to slob around? > > I'm looking forward to seeing you. I seem to remember that I drank more > of the whiskey milkshake than you did. But, as Marc has said, > unfortunately that fine eatery is now out of business. I really don't have a taste for anything stronger than beer yet. Even wine tastes like paint thinner to me. I will have to compare Merkin Guiness to Irish Guiness and see if the myth is true. Maybe I'll truck over a pack of our variety and have a little taste test. From simon at simon-cozens.org Thu Feb 6 18:31:44 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030206161651.B26228@ttul.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org> <20030205144938.D31379@ttul.org> <20030206101756.GA12407@labac.net> <20030206161651.B26228@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030207003144.GA32687@deep-dark-truthful-mirror.pad> schwern@ttul.org: > Next thing you'll tell me is the Titanic went under. Happened in 1912. Keep up at the back. -- SM is fun. ADSM is not. "Safe, Sane, Consensual"... three words that cannot used to describe ADSM. - Graham Reed, sdm. From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Fri Feb 7 03:50:34 2003 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030206161651.B26228@ttul.org>; from schwern@ttul.org on Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 04:16:51PM -0800 References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205153304.GA14420@futureless.org> <20030205155324.GD16763@rivendale.net> <20030205140916.B31379@ttul.org> <20030205144938.D31379@ttul.org> <20030206101756.GA12407@labac.net> <20030206161651.B26228@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030207095034.A24491@blackstar.co.uk> On (06/02/03 16:16), schwern@ttul.org wrote: > On Thu, Feb 06, 2003 at 10:17:56AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 05, 2003 at 02:49:38PM -0800, schwern@ttul.org wrote: > > > > > > PS I see whisky milkshakes fitting into this payment plan. > > > > But, as you recall, Mr Squern, it was you and your boycott that put that > > place which dished you the aforementioned milkshakes out of business. > > YOU MANIACS! YOU BLEW IT UP! DAMN YOU! GOD DAMN YOU ALL TO HELL!! > > Next thing you'll tell me is the Titanic went under. No, you're alright there, Mike. The Titanic is still going down. They revamped their image not so long ago - it involved changing a few photos on the walls, renewing some of the mock fishing nets and adding bars to the windows. A quality establishment! The food is still the same 'though and the Coke is as sweet and addictive as ever. For the benefit of others, The Titanic is a nickname for a small cafe in Belfast city centre. The service is so bad at times that we wonder how it manages to stay in business and the 'nautical' interior prompted us to give it the name 'The Titanic'. Thanks Duggie From jasper at guideguide.com Fri Feb 7 05:12:41 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results summary References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3E4394A9.5F2A83C6@guideguide.com> Marty Pauley wrote: > > Well, the boggle competition wasn't too difficult to judge. > > Jasper was the only person to submit a correct entry, so he is the > winner. > > More details tomorrow. Hooray!!! YOU ALL SUCK!!! BOW DOWN BEFORE THE MIGHT OF JASPER!! (out of how many entries, marty?) Jasper -- I'm Batman!!! From andrew at rivendale.net Fri Feb 7 05:39:32 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results summary In-Reply-To: <3E4394A9.5F2A83C6@guideguide.com> References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E4394A9.5F2A83C6@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030207113932.GB27599@rivendale.net> On Fri, Feb 07, 2003 at 11:12:41AM +0000, Jasper McCrea wrote: > Marty Pauley wrote: > > Well, the boggle competition wasn't too difficult to judge. > > > > Jasper was the only person to submit a correct entry, so he is the > > winner. > > > > More details tomorrow. > > Hooray!!! > > YOU ALL SUCK!!! > > BOW DOWN BEFORE THE MIGHT OF JASPER!! > > (out of how many entries, marty?) Yeah, yeah, yeah. I forgot about words that end in q. Using /q[^u]/i instead of /q[^u]|q$/i. 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I forgot about words that end in q. Using /q[^u]/i > instead of /q[^u]|q$/i. You should use /q(?!u)/i instead. But that wasn't your problem: there were no words ending in q that could be made from the test data. I will post the test data later. Your first entry was averagly bad at finding words. Your second entry was much more puzzling: it found all but 1 word in each test. I would be interested in why this happened, but I haven't looked. An additional problem was that one of your entries used Data::Denter but didn't actually need to; and Data::Denter wasn't installed. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I forgot about words that end in q. Using /q[^u]/i > > instead of /q[^u]|q$/i. > > You should use /q(?!u)/i instead. I just googled for the boggle rules, and the q on the die always has a u after it. I therefore don't think that words with a q on its own should have been in the test data. I am saying this to save face, as I didn't consider this possibility. But it does mean that you can't get the word queen from: quee snon rbit zdog as only quueen would be available. Correct? Jasper -- I think I tore my sack From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Fri Feb 7 09:39:52 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results summary In-Reply-To: <3E43CC37.BD08A27A@guideguide.com> References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E4394A9.5F2A83C6@guideguide.com> <20030207113932.GB27599@rivendale.net> <20030207130702.GM22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43CC37.BD08A27A@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030207153952.GN22588@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Feb 7 15:09:43 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote: > I just googled for the boggle rules, and the q on the die always has a u after > it. I therefore don't think that words with a q on its own should have been in > the test data. Think what you want. > I am saying this to save face, as I didn't consider this possibility. Well, then you are even more brilliant that you claimed: all of your entries seem to work correctly with words ending in q. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030207/a2791b94/attachment.bin From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Fri Feb 7 09:52:06 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results In-Reply-To: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> I considered 9 entries from 5 different people: Acme/Leon, Andrew (2), Jasper (4), Simon, and Tony. One of Andrew's programs was a module and script combo, so it probably broke the rules as it wouldn't run out-of-the-box. His second entry was just a script, but it used Data::Denter (for nothing) so it also wouldn't run without a good kick. Tony's entry produced no output at all, so it was disqualified. It looked like a cut'n'paste error, so I fixed it. It would have won. I ran all the scripts against 2 test sets. I also included my own solution in the tests for comparison. ==== Testing acme.pl real 0m21.625s user 0m19.140s sys 0m0.040s Files test/out0 and acme.pl.out0 differ real 0m22.218s user 0m21.160s sys 0m0.030s Files test/out5 and acme.pl.out5 differ ==== ==== Testing andrew1.pl real 0m5.180s user 0m5.170s sys 0m0.010s Files test/out0 and andrew1.pl.out0 differ real 0m12.156s user 0m11.690s sys 0m0.040s Files test/out5 and andrew1.pl.out5 differ ==== ==== Testing andrew2.pl real 0m4.868s user 0m4.810s sys 0m0.010s Files test/out0 and andrew2.pl.out0 differ real 0m10.163s user 0m10.140s sys 0m0.000s Files test/out5 and andrew2.pl.out5 differ ==== ==== Testing jasper1.pl real 0m21.362s user 0m20.200s sys 0m0.160s real 0m26.102s user 0m24.610s sys 0m0.030s ==== ==== Testing jasper2.pl real 0m16.449s user 0m15.740s sys 0m0.090s real 0m20.819s user 0m20.080s sys 0m0.070s ==== ==== Testing jasper3.pl real 0m21.352s user 0m20.900s sys 0m0.020s real 0m27.350s user 0m26.450s sys 0m0.070s ==== ==== Testing jasper4.pl real 0m18.677s user 0m17.860s sys 0m0.150s real 0m23.109s user 0m22.210s sys 0m0.330s ==== ==== Testing marty.pl real 0m8.210s user 0m7.960s sys 0m0.010s real 0m9.434s user 0m9.090s sys 0m0.020s ==== ==== Testing simon.pl real 0m0.840s user 0m0.800s sys 0m0.000s Files test/out0 and simon.pl.out0 differ real 0m1.214s user 0m1.150s sys 0m0.040s Files test/out5 and simon.pl.out5 differ ==== ==== Testing tony.pl real 0m9.993s user 0m9.720s sys 0m0.050s real 0m11.165s user 0m10.780s sys 0m0.060s ==== -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From jasper at guideguide.com Fri Feb 7 10:07:10 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> Marty Pauley wrote: > > I considered 9 entries from 5 different people: > Acme/Leon, Andrew (2), Jasper (4), Simon, and Tony. > > One of Andrew's programs was a module and script combo, so it probably > broke the rules as it wouldn't run out-of-the-box. His second entry was > just a script, but it used Data::Denter (for nothing) so it also > wouldn't run without a good kick. > > Tony's entry produced no output at all, so it was disqualified. > It looked like a cut'n'paste error, so I fixed it. It would have won. > > I ran all the scripts against 2 test sets. I also included my own > solution in the tests for comparison. > ==== Testing jasper2.pl > > real 0m16.449s > user 0m15.740s > sys 0m0.090s > > real 0m20.819s > user 0m20.080s > sys 0m0.070s > ==== > > ==== Testing tony.pl > > real 0m9.993s > user 0m9.720s > sys 0m0.050s > > real 0m11.165s > user 0m10.780s > sys 0m0.060s > ==== > why tony no win? his appears to have been twice as fast. And 20 seconds?!? If I'd known the tests were that long, I'd have tried to write some memory in... Jasper -- Damn you, brocolli! - Stewie Griffin From simon at simon-cozens.org Fri Feb 7 10:32:47 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results In-Reply-To: <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030207163247.GA16445@deep-dark-truthful-mirror.pad> Jasper McCrea: > why tony no win? his appears to have been twice as fast. Hey, mine was 10 times as fast again. It just had some small correctness problems. -- Oh my god! They killed Kennedy! -- edfromo From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Fri Feb 7 10:37:57 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results In-Reply-To: <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030207163757.GP22588@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Feb 7 16:07:10 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote: > > why tony no win? his appears to have been twice as fast. His entry originally didn't produce any output. I had to fix it to make it work. If I then announced it as a winner, Andrew would complain that I should have fixed his too! -- Marty From jasper at guideguide.com Fri Feb 7 10:57:10 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Boggle results References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> <20030207163757.GP22588@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3E43E566.32880D2A@guideguide.com> Marty Pauley wrote: > > On Fri Feb 7 16:07:10 2003, Jasper McCrea wrote: > > > > why tony no win? his appears to have been twice as fast. > > His entry originally didn't produce any output. I had to fix it to make > it work. If I then announced it as a winner, Andrew would complain that > I should have fixed his too! Ahhh, the two sweetest words in the english language. DE FAULT! DE FAULT! DE FAULT! Jasper -- It's just like the story of the grasshopper and the octopus. All year long, the grasshopper kept burying acorns for the winter, while the octopus mooched off his girlfriend and watched TV. But then the winter came, and the grasshopper died, and the octopus ate all his acorns. And also he got a racecar. Is any of this getting through to you? From sales at virtual-biz.net Fri Feb 7 17:34:23 2003 From: sales at virtual-biz.net (Better Life) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Have you found the best Life Insurance Policy? Message-ID: <15ac64e6$155d$4282@admin-7qnwbmr3g> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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My solution worked back from the end of the word, so if if the word finished in square 0 my entry didn't find it. andrew -- Cancer: (June 22 - July 22) Your shock and horror will be only partially offset by the prospect of great wealth when Liza Minnelli adopts you. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030208/fcabe182/attachment.bin From sales at virtual-biz.net Sat Feb 8 07:01:34 2003 From: sales at virtual-biz.net (E-merchant Solutions) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: Accept Credit Cards Without The High Percentages (10402) Message-ID: <1d567ca9$5cce$753c@admin-7qnwbmr3g> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Feb 10 05:49:55 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: social? Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <3E46EEBD.9050104@btinternet.com> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <3E46EEBD.9050104@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20030210114955.GA23083@futureless.org> On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 12:13:49AM +0000, Paul Dundas wrote: > So is there going to be a social meeting, or what? > This monday? Nothing has been arranged, that's not to stop people from meeting up. I won't be going though[0]... [0] I bet you're disappointed ;) -- Russell Matbouli | The future teaches you to be alone russell@futureless.org | the present to be afraid and cold PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | From tony at kasei.com Mon Feb 10 07:27:36 2003 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:59 2004 Subject: social? Next Meeting? In-Reply-To: <20030210114955.GA23083@futureless.org> References: <20030203135416.GA9732@gandalf.swmcc.com> <69378496-3891-11D7-BFFD-000393DA0B02@pobox.com> <20030205143214.GM18510@soto.kasei.com> <20030205144741.GC16763@rivendale.net> <3E46EEBD.9050104@btinternet.com> <20030210114955.GA23083@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20030210132736.GC28529@soto.kasei.com> On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 11:49:55AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 12:13:49AM +0000, Paul Dundas wrote: > > So is there going to be a social meeting, or what? > > This monday? > Nothing has been arranged, that's not to stop people from meeting up. > I won't be going though[0]... Marty and Karen are in England, and assumably won't be there either ... Tony From jasper at guideguide.com Mon Feb 10 08:24:07 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Boggle results References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> <20030207163757.GP22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43E566.32880D2A@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <3E47B607.B5D7D652@guideguide.com> hello, since marty hasn't posted everyone's code, like he said he would (I think), would everyone post their code so that I can waste _more_ time taking a gander. We've seen Simon's already. Mine are attached. The golfed version is probably only fractionally slower than the other, as they use the same method. Jasper -- I'm Batman!!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(In particular, it finds ALL the places on the board that a given word can be played, rather than short-circuiting after the first one. But fixing that makes the nice recursive map in can_play much uglier!) In the version I gave marty the $play variable was defined in the wrong place, and thus it didn't work! The have_letters_for() sub is purely for optimisation. Tony ---- #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; our $play = [ [1..16], [2,5,6],[1,3,5..7],[2,4,6..8],[3,7,8], [1,2,6,9,10],[1..3,5,7,9..11],[2..4,6,8,10..12],[3,4,7,11,12], [5,6,10,13,14],[5..7,9,11,13..15],[6..8,10,12,14..16],[7,8,11,15,16], [9,10,14],[9..11,13,15],[10..12,14,16],[11,12,15] ]; chomp(my @words = <>); my $board = [ "-", split //, join "", splice @words, 0, 4 ]; my %on_board; @on_board{@$board} = (); shift @words; local $\ = "\n"; foreach (grep length > 2, @words) { next if (my $word = lc $_) =~ /q(?!u)/; $word =~ s/qu/q/; print if have_letters_for($word) && can_play($board, $word, 0); } sub have_letters_for { my $word = shift; while (my $let = chop $word) { return unless exists $on_board{$let} } return 1; } sub can_play { my ($board, $word, $posn) = @_; if (length $word > 1) { my $last = chop $word; return map { local $board->[$_] = "-"; can_play($board, $word, $_); } can_play($board, $last, $posn); } return grep $board->[$_] eq $word, @{ $play->[$posn] }; } From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Tue Feb 11 09:34:59 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Boggle results In-Reply-To: <3E47B607.B5D7D652@guideguide.com> References: <20030207000333.GL22588@soto.kasei.com> <20030207155206.GO22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43D9AE.D154B810@guideguide.com> <20030207163757.GP22588@soto.kasei.com> <3E43E566.32880D2A@guideguide.com> <3E47B607.B5D7D652@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030211153459.GQ22588@soto.kasei.com> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers, [0] For those that don't know, TUX is a machine in BlackStar - and a very old and crusty machine at that. -- Stephen McCullough www.swmcc.com From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Feb 12 04:20:02 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20030212102002.GB14738@labac.net> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 10:10:41AM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: > I would like to say thanks to Steve for doing a great job on > the belfast.pm site, it looks great and it works - in your > face BLUG. I agree! Nice one, Steve! m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From wesley at yelsew.com Wed Feb 12 04:32:31 2003 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20030212103231.GA56271@paat.pair.com> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 10:10:41AM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: > So are we moving belfast.pm away from TUX[0] and onto another > machine? I don't really care if the website stays on TUX, > but I would prefer the email list moved to somewhere faster. > > [0] For those that don't know, TUX is a machine in BlackStar - and > a very old and crusty machine at that. The belfast-pm list is run by pm.org, not by tux. If it were run by tux, it would be several orders of magnitude faster. And reliable too. You have cruelly maligned The Extremely Reliable, Stable, And Rock Solid Machine Known As Tux. Henceforth, may the programmers of a thousand blackstars shun you Right Bluntly, may the bug density of your code rise to ever dizzier heights, and may you be condemned to commute in perpetuity from Glenavy to Dunmurry, in ever worsening traffic. HAND, Wesley. PS. That last one was just plain mean. Sorry. From swm at swmcc.com Wed Feb 12 04:48:35 2003 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20030212103231.GA56271@paat.pair.com> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030212103231.GA56271@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20030212104835.GA21073@gandalf.swmcc.com> > The belfast-pm list is run by pm.org, not by tux. If it were run by > tux, it would be several orders of magnitude faster. And reliable too. Oh yeah, I know that. I didn't say it was a nasty machine, I just said it was old and crusty. I would like belfast.pm moved from .pm.org then (just to be clear) as it is really slow sometimes. > You have cruelly maligned The Extremely Reliable, Stable, And Rock > Solid Machine Known As Tux. /me hangs head in shame. But I would like to point out that Kerr brought tux down once, with a really nasty cronjob that ran /every/ minute. > Henceforth, may the programmers of a thousand blackstars shun you Right > Bluntly, may the bug density of your code rise to ever dizzier heights, > and may you be condemned to commute in perpetuity from Glenavy to Dunmurry, > in ever worsening traffic. :) > PS. That last one was just plain mean. Sorry. Acutally it will mean that I wont have to bother coming into work in Rush hour traffic, which is good and it is closer as well. I will ask Simon if I can go and apologise to tux directly later on. Cheers, -- Stephen McCullough www.swmcc.com From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Wed Feb 12 05:05:21 2003 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20030212110521.GA15595@deeden.co.uk> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 10:10:41AM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: > I would like to say thanks to Steve for doing a great job on > the belfast.pm site, it looks great and it works - in your > face BLUG. Thanks very much :) > So are we moving belfast.pm away from TUX[0] and onto another > machine? I don't really care if the website stays on TUX, > but I would prefer the email list moved to somewhere faster. I'd like to move it from tux just because I could have some of the pages update automatically then. The modules page is the main one. If I move the site to cabal I can have the page just update when someone submits a new module. I'd also like to have an archive of the mailing list somewhere, but that is more scuppered by my not knowing what to use to do that well. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From steve-belfast-pm at narnian.org Wed Feb 12 05:13:51 2003 From: steve-belfast-pm at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20030212110521.GA15595@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030212110521.GA15595@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030212111351.GA20604@aslan.narnian.org> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:05:21AM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > I'd also like to have an archive of the mailing list somewhere, but that > is more scuppered by my not knowing what to use to do that well. I did have one running for BLUG, but I stopped when the list moved. I would offer to do it again for PM, but there is an old BLUG saying which I think applies here: Let Russell do it! :) -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Feb 12 05:30:07 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Thanks In-Reply-To: <20030212110521.GA15595@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030212110521.GA15595@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030212113007.GA28179@futureless.org> Well done on the new design Steve, I like the clean look... On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:05:21AM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > I'd also like to have an archive of the mailing list somewhere, but that > is more scuppered by my not knowing what to use to do that well. If you move to a sympa mailing list, there's a mbox to sympa convertor script (assuming someone has an exhaustive archive, of course)... 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I think it comes from trying to persuade it to let me have different address on multiple lists one time, when I kept reseting my password on me. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack, And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Feb 12 05:41:01 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Archives (was: Re: Thanks) In-Reply-To: <20030212113007.GA28179@futureless.org> References: <20030212101041.GA20789@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20030212110521.GA15595@deeden.co.uk> <20030212113007.GA28179@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20030212114101.GB28179@futureless.org> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 11:30:07AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > If you move to a sympa mailing list, there's a mbox to sympa convertor > script (assuming someone has an exhaustive archive, of course)... 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I remember having similar problems when trying to use multiple addresses for multiple lists and tying them all together with one password. I decided it wasn't worth the hastle, but I think what I wanted wasn't possible, or moronic :) I like Sympa now though, the web interface is tasty. -- Russell Matbouli | There is eloquence in screaming russell@futureless.org | -- Patrick Jones PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I > decided it wasn't worth the hastle, but I think what I wanted wasn't > possible, or moronic :) I remember that what I wanted was reasonable but it just wouldn't allow it. > I like Sympa now though, the web interface is tasty. Well we can agree to differ on that one :) Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack, And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Wed Feb 12 18:03:21 2003 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 Message-ID: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/12/2255222 Interesting. I like the last line. I presume we should all be boning up on http://www.yapc.org/venue-reqs.txt? Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Dotcom Optionaire From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Thu Feb 13 05:38:52 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030213113852.GV22588@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Feb 13 00:03:21 2003, Steve Rushe wrote: > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/12/2255222 > > Interesting. > > I like the last line. I probably should have mentioned that... :-) > I presume we should all be boning up on http://www.yapc.org/venue-reqs.txt? Yes. There'll be a test in a few weeks. -- Marty From karen at martian.org Thu Feb 13 06:05:28 2003 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Feb 13 00:03:21 2003, Steve Rushe wrote: > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/12/2255222 > > Interesting. > > I like the last line. > > I presume we should all be boning up on http://www.yapc.org/venue-reqs.txt? Maybe. Some of these requirements were not met for previous conferences. e.g. I have never been a dinner for the full assemebly in Europe - they did do this in YAPC::America though. Or one that provided breakfast. But we do need to find somewhere to host it in the centre of Belfast. I have been considering Spires, Queens (although the only building that it is easy to hire rooms in is the Social Sciences building) the Waterfront Hall and W5. It all comes down to size, cost and the amount of sponorship. Once the next call comes out (can't remember what they call it - just know it's the one that we need to provide details of the bid for) we will have a meeting to discuss all the possibilities. -- Karen From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Thu Feb 13 06:10:06 2003 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030213121006.GA1622@deeden.co.uk> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 12:05:28PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > On Thu Feb 13 00:03:21 2003, Steve Rushe wrote: > > http://use.perl.org/article.pl?sid=03/02/12/2255222 > > > > Interesting. > > > > I like the last line. > > > > I presume we should all be boning up on http://www.yapc.org/venue-reqs.txt? > > Maybe. Some of these requirements were not met for previous > conferences. e.g. I have never been a dinner for the full assemebly in > Europe - they did do this in YAPC::America though. Or one that > provided breakfast. But we do need to find somewhere to host it in the > centre of Belfast. I have been considering Spires, Queens (although the > only building that it is easy to hire rooms in is the Social Sciences > building) the Waterfront Hall and W5. > > It all comes down to size, cost and the amount of sponorship. Once the > next call comes out (can't remember what they call it - just know it's > the one that we need to provide details of the bid for) we will have a > meeting to discuss all the possibilities. The postgraduate common room at Queens is used for various different events, but I think it might not fit the bill for this one. Eugene Black is the person you'd want to talk to, assuming he's still running the place. I'm not sure what it's net access would be like though, never had to look into that. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me! From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Thu Feb 13 06:12:44 2003 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030213121244.GS9128@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 12:05:28PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > But we do need to find somewhere to host it in the > centre of Belfast. I have been considering Spires, Queens (although the > only building that it is easy to hire rooms in is the Social Sciences > building) the Waterfront Hall and W5. What about one of the hotels? Or are they too expensive? -- | Andrew Gallagher | web.andrewg.com | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | From karen at kasei.com Thu Feb 13 06:24:14 2003 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20030213121244.GS9128@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> References: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> <20030213121244.GS9128@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20030213122414.GB15491@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Feb 13 12:12:44 2003, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 12:05:28PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > > But we do need to find somewhere to host it in the > > centre of Belfast. I have been considering Spires, Queens (although the > > only building that it is easy to hire rooms in is the Social Sciences > > building) the Waterfront Hall and W5. > > What about one of the hotels? Or are they too expensive? There not big enough. We need to have a room that can hold maybe 400 people and then 3 rooms that can hold around 200 each. -- Karen From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Thu Feb 13 09:28:34 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: YAPC 2004 In-Reply-To: <20030213122414.GB15491@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030213000321.GA27987@deeden.co.uk> <20030213120528.GA15491@soto.kasei.com> <20030213121244.GS9128@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> <20030213122414.GB15491@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030213152834.GX22588@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Feb 13 12:24:14 2003, Karen wrote: > On Thu Feb 13 12:12:44 2003, Andrew Gallagher wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 12:05:28PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > But we do need to find somewhere to host it in the > > > centre of Belfast. I have been considering Spires, Queens (although the > > > only building that it is easy to hire rooms in is the Social Sciences > > > building) the Waterfront Hall and W5. > > > > What about one of the hotels? Or are they too expensive? > > There not big enough. We need to have a room that can hold maybe 400 > people and then 3 rooms that can hold around 200 each. We also need high-speed wireless Net access and somewhere between the rooms for a large bunch of hackers to slob around. In the other YAPCs the wireless part of the Net was constructed just for the conference, but the high-speed part really needs to be there first. -- Marty From russell-blug at futureless.org Fri Feb 14 04:51:09 2003 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: [Meeting] Anti-War rally Message-ID: <20030214105109.GA1617@futureless.org> I'll be at the anti-war rally tomorrow. If anyone wants to meet with me, here are the details: Where: UU Belfast campus / Art College When: 2pm Directions: Follow the signs from the City Hall if you don't know. It is near St. Anne's Cathedral and the Belfast Telegraph office. Please mail me off-list if you intend to go (or need detailed directions). -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | the things you used to own, now they own you PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | From ssamantra at aol.com Mon Feb 17 03:17:32 2003 From: ssamantra at aol.com (ssamantra@aol.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Toner Cartridges For Printer, Copier And Fax Machines. Message-ID: <05086c18d2b6$54e55c4c$940c1d1f@kkxt.chj> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030217/3a1c319d/attachment.htm From schwern at pobox.com Sun Feb 16 16:07:48 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (schwern@pobox.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Hurling and other Murderous Activities Message-ID: <20030216140748.G30911@ttul.org> Hurling. Simon Cozens sez "...it's basically a cross between rugby, hockey and murder." This intrigues me, especially compared to the sedate American version of football we like to call "Let's Dress Up In Six Inches Of Foam Padding And Waddle Around The Field For Twenty Seconds Before Taking A Breather". If Hurling is out of season then the other kind of football, without the sticks but with the murder, would be nice. I'm in town from the 9th to the morning of the 13th (Sunday to Thursday). I realize most people will probably be working or something crazy like that, but if someone could point me off to a good match I'd like to go. In general I'd like to do some touristy things while I'm up there. I didn't get outside the city much when I was in Belfast last. From schwern at pobox.com Sun Feb 16 16:49:37 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (schwern@pobox.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: We just don't know. Message-ID: <20030216144937.H30911@ttul.org> Oh yeah, what am I talking about when I get there? Requests? I warn you not to just let me ramble. Last time that happened the subject turned into Class::DBI and XXX Video Databases. Actually, if I had my way I might be inspired to finish writing "Sufficiently Encapsulated Magic Is Indistinguishable From Technology" about how using frightening Perl Magic inside a module can produce smooth, DWIM interfaces outside with no evidence of the turmoil going on underneith. Lots of stuff about using tying, closures, custom import() routines, symbol table hacks, etc... Explaining how things like CLASS.pm, Class::Accessor, Class::Data::Inheritable, Sub::Uplevel and File::chdir work. A cro-magnon version of the talk is here: http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/talks/Sufficiently_Encapsulated_Hacks/ Or I could give the talks I was going to give at the German Perl Workshop. "MakeMaker is DOOMED! Use Module::Build" which is really just me ranting about how much I hate MakeMaker and how much better Module::Build is, and "Y I Like YAML" which is really just me ranting about how much I hate XML and how much better YAML is. The MakeMaker part is here: http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/talks/MakeMaker_Is_DOOMED/ Thoughts? Preferences? From Mark.Lamb at spirent.com Tue Feb 18 08:59:17 2003 From: Mark.Lamb at spirent.com (Lamb, Mark) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Hurling and other Murderous Activities Message-ID: <1D9854D3D3E3D311A71F009027DC8A57C95A49@goldfinger.belfast.spirentcom.com> The National Hurling League starts the weekend before you arrive. It is not as big is as the Championship which is the main competition of the season but that doesn't start until around May. There will probably not be a large number of people at the game, but it will give you an idea of the sport. Matches are usually played on a Sunday around 2.30 and there is a Hurling match scheduled for Belfast for the weekend you arrive. It's a Division 2 game between Antrim and Roscommon in Casement Park. There's also a football match ( murder sans sticks ) on the same weekend and it has not yet been decided which will be played on the Saturday and which on the Sunday. I will almost certainly be going to the Sunday game anyway and would be happy to go along with you. -----Original Message----- From: schwern@pobox.com [mailto:schwern@pobox.com] Sent: 16 February 2003 22:08 To: belfast-pm@pm.org Subject: Hurling and other Murderous Activities Hurling. Simon Cozens sez "...it's basically a cross between rugby, hockey and murder." This intrigues me, especially compared to the sedate American version of football we like to call "Let's Dress Up In Six Inches Of Foam Padding And Waddle Around The Field For Twenty Seconds Before Taking A Breather". If Hurling is out of season then the other kind of football, without the sticks but with the murder, would be nice. I'm in town from the 9th to the morning of the 13th (Sunday to Thursday). I realize most people will probably be working or something crazy like that, but if someone could point me off to a good match I'd like to go. In general I'd like to do some touristy things while I'm up there. I didn't get outside the city much when I was in Belfast last. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Feb 19 04:02:56 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: We just don't know. In-Reply-To: <20030216144937.H30911@ttul.org> References: <20030216144937.H30911@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20030219100256.GC16478@labac.net> On Sun, Feb 16, 2003 at 02:49:37PM -0800, schwern@pobox.com wrote: > Oh yeah, what am I talking about when I get there? Requests? > > I warn you not to just let me ramble. Last time that happened the > subject turned into Class::DBI and XXX Video Databases. Rambling is fine, in fact, we will be disappointed if you don't ramble. And fight. And shout. And get annoyed with our stupid, stupid questions. (OK, just mine then.) > > Actually, if I had my way I might be inspired to finish writing > "Sufficiently Encapsulated Magic Is Indistinguishable From Technology" > about how using frightening Perl Magic inside a module can produce > smooth, DWIM interfaces outside with no evidence of the turmoil going > on underneith. Lots of stuff about using tying, closures, custom import() > routines, symbol table hacks, etc... Explaining how things like CLASS.pm, > Class::Accessor, Class::Data::Inheritable, Sub::Uplevel and File::chdir > work. A cro-magnon version of the talk is here: > http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/talks/Sufficiently_Encapsulated_Hacks/ What you said. Yes, I like this one. And as no one else seems to have a preference, that is what it will be! > > Or I could give the talks I was going to give at the German Perl Workshop. > "MakeMaker is DOOMED! Use Module::Build" which is really just me ranting > about how much I hate MakeMaker and how much better Module::Build is, > and "Y I Like YAML" which is really just me ranting about how much I hate > XML and how much better YAML is. The MakeMaker part is here: > http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/talks/MakeMaker_Is_DOOMED/ > > Thoughts? Preferences? I read about this on perl.com, which has something to do with Simon. Not sure what. No, not Module::Build, perl.com. That has to do with Simon. Although, after you have finished the first talky bits, a YAML talk would be good. Got to get our money out of you, I reckon. m. -- Sharon: I was like, totally shocked when I read swm's postings on the list. I thought he was a quiet boy. Everyone else: *racuous laughter* -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From simon at simon-cozens.org Wed Feb 19 04:16:07 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: We just don't know. In-Reply-To: <20030219100256.GC16478@labac.net> References: <20030216144937.H30911@ttul.org> <20030219100256.GC16478@labac.net> Message-ID: <20030219101607.GA11655@deep-dark-truthful-mirror.pad> Stray Toaster: > > Actually, if I had my way I might be inspired to finish writing > > "Sufficiently Encapsulated Magic Is Indistinguishable From Technology" > What you said. Yes, I like this one. And as no one else seems to have a > preference, that is what it will be! Well, I think it should be that one too. Yes. -- For detailed information on the "info" command, type "man info". - plan9 has a bad day From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Feb 19 04:40:24 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: We just don't know. In-Reply-To: <20030219100256.GC16478@labac.net> References: <20030216144937.H30911@ttul.org> <20030219100256.GC16478@labac.net> Message-ID: <20030219104024.GA10416@futureless.org> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:02:56AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > What you said. Yes, I like this one. And as no one else seems to have a > preference, that is what it will be! I had a preference for this, but forgot to reply to the mail. Didn't realise until you sent this mail... > Although, after you have finished the first talky bits, a YAML talk > would be good. Got to get our money out of you, I reckon. Yes, I want to hear about YAML too. Why do we need yet another markup language, for a start. What it does better than XML, and how could it replace it without a marketing machine doing the thing that marketing machines do... How are we funding Schwern then? Are we chipping in? What about doing a training course? Or is it too late in the day for that now? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Daddy, I'm scared. Too scared to even wet my pants. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030219/d1aa36ae/attachment.bin From andrew at mcfarland.co.uk Wed Feb 19 04:57:46 2003 From: andrew at mcfarland.co.uk (Andrew McFarland) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: We just don't know. In-Reply-To: <20030219104024.GA10416@futureless.org> References: <20030216144937.H30911@ttul.org> <20030219100256.GC16478@labac.net> <20030219104024.GA10416@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20030219105746.GA766@aamcf.co.uk> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 10:40:24AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > Yes, I want to hear about YAML too. Why do we need yet another markup > language, for a start. What it does better than XML, and how could it > replace it without a marketing machine doing the thing that marketing > machines do... I'd be interested in YAML as well, particularly what it does better than SGML Andrew From schwern at pobox.com Thu Feb 20 22:03:58 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (schwern@pobox.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Hurling and other Murderous Activities In-Reply-To: <1D9854D3D3E3D311A71F009027DC8A57C95A49@goldfinger.belfast.spirentcom.com>; from Mark.Lamb@spirent.com on Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:59:17PM -0000 References: <1D9854D3D3E3D311A71F009027DC8A57C95A49@goldfinger.belfast.spirentcom.com> Message-ID: <20030220200358.F24959@ttul.org> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 02:59:17PM -0000, Lamb, Mark wrote: > The National Hurling League starts the weekend before you arrive. It is not > as big is as the Championship which is the main competition of the season > but that doesn't start until around May. There will probably not be a large > number of people at the game, but it will give you an idea of the sport. > Matches are usually played on a Sunday around 2.30 and there is a Hurling > match scheduled for Belfast for the weekend you arrive. It's a Division 2 > game between Antrim and Roscommon in Casement Park. There's also a football > match ( murder sans sticks ) on the same weekend and it has not yet been > decided which will be played on the Saturday and which on the Sunday. I will > almost certainly be going to the Sunday game anyway and would be happy to go > along with you. I'm arriving at about 10am on Sunday and I'd love to go. I have no idea where Casement Park is relative to either the airport or Karen's place so I'll have to figure out how to get there. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Feb 21 05:36:52 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: new module winging CPANwards Message-ID: <20030221113652.GD8678@labac.net> Yo. After the slating I got last time, I was put off putting anything on CPAN ever again. Well, I recanted on that, and here is something new. The file is at http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk/Perl/Data-Pageset-Variable-0.01.tar.gz What is it? It is a subclass of the cool Data::Pageset that allows you to have differing numbers of results on each page. So, your first page of (say search) results could display 20, but every other one could display 10. Or something. I like Data::Pageset. If anyone would like, I can give a wee talk on it some Monday night. And Data::Pageset::Variable as well, but be warned, it is a bit bonkers. And yes, I wrote the tests first. m. -- Never trust a town where riding on outsize swans is the only form of entertainment Claire -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From Phonecalls at pr-corinth.h.uunet.de Wed Feb 26 23:17:09 2003 From: Phonecalls at pr-corinth.h.uunet.de (Jenna Thompson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:00 2004 Subject: Low Cost Easy to Use Conferencing 13082 Message-ID: <0000548374ae$000017a7$000038a2@mail.usyd.edu.au> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030226/8808e9fc/attachment.htm