From 238464 at delphi.com Fri Aug 1 05:49:14 2003 From: 238464 at delphi.com (238464@delphi.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:12 2004 Subject: Create DVDs in Your Own Home! 238464 Message-ID: <200307312127.h6VLR1Q17544@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030801/1c1302d4/attachment.htm From ewde at ms33.net.pm.org Fri Aug 1 15:55:23 2003 From: ewde at ms33.net.pm.org (=?Big5?B?pGqt9K30?=) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: =?Big5?B?step86ZupEY=?= Message-ID: <200308020127.h721RBP07049@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030802/bb46b9c6/attachment.htm From simon at simon-cozens.org Sat Aug 2 14:13:39 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo Message-ID: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> OK, first suggestion, in honour of http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31941.html: http://blog.simon-cozens.org/yapc.png It's not subtle, but who here is? -- It starts like fascination, it ends up like a trance You've gotta use your imagination on some of that magazine romance And these bones--they don't look so good to me Jokers talk and they all disagree One day soon, I will laugh right in the face of the poison moon From schwern at pobox.com Sat Aug 2 17:03:37 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> Message-ID: <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 08:13:39PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > OK, first suggestion, in honour of > http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31941.html: > > http://blog.simon-cozens.org/yapc.png > > It's not subtle, but who here is? Its so subtle I can't even see it: 404 Not Found. -- Good tidings, my native American Indian friend! America will soon again be yours! Please accept 5th Avenue as an initial return! From sky at erupt.com Sat Aug 2 19:46:51 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> Michael G Schwern wrote: >On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 08:13:39PM +0100, Simon Cozens wrote: > > >>OK, first suggestion, in honour of >>http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/6/31941.html: >> >> http://blog.simon-cozens.org/yapc.png >> >>It's not subtle, but who here is? >> >> >Its so subtle I can't even see it: 404 Not Found. > > I am absolutely disgusted by Sinn Feinn's t-shirts. I could go on about this for hours, but in the interests of keeping this e-mail non-political, I won't. I can't view the logo either, and if it was anything similar to the Sinn Fein t-shirt then the fact I can't view it is a good thing. We should be using YAPC::Europe 2004 in Belfast to emphasise the positive aspects of Northern Ireland, and take care to use non-political and neutral symbols (e.g. flax plant as on the 1991 pound coin) on t-shirts and other promotional material. Northern Ireland has a lot going for it, and there's no reason to focus on the negative aspects of our country. I really wish people wouldn't even jokingly suggest balaclavas, petrol bombs or anything like that for the t-shirt: it's not funny, and why on earth would you want to put that on a t-shirt? - Nick From schwern at pobox.com Sat Aug 2 21:07:09 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030803020709.GK22787@windhund.schwern.org> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 01:46:51AM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > I can't view the logo either, and if it was anything similar to the Sinn > Fein t-shirt then the fact I can't view it is a good thing. > > We should be using YAPC::Europe 2004 in Belfast to emphasise the > positive aspects of Northern Ireland, and take care to use non-political > and neutral symbols (e.g. flax plant as on the 1991 pound coin) on > t-shirts and other promotional material. Northern Ireland has a lot > going for it, and there's no reason to focus on the negative aspects of > our country. I really wish people wouldn't even jokingly suggest > balaclavas, petrol bombs or anything like that for the t-shirt: it's not > funny, and why on earth would you want to put that on a t-shirt? I guess you won't be accepting any bids to make the official YAPC::Europe 2004 t-shirt color orange? ;) -- If at first you don't succeed, call in an air strike. From scott-pm at kungfuftr.com Sat Aug 2 21:34:53 2003 From: scott-pm at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030803020709.GK22787@windhund.schwern.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803020709.GK22787@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <20030803023453.GA32312@jadis.narnian.org> On Sat, Aug 02, 2003 at 07:07:09PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > I guess you won't be accepting any bids to make the official YAPC::Europe > 2004 t-shirt color orange? ;) > Or in esperanto? -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- From ztbnkugfj7 at yahoo.com Sun Aug 3 03:57:24 2003 From: ztbnkugfj7 at yahoo.com (Ray Costa) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: Look Inside To Discover How To Save On Your Mortgage evc Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030803/cd0c06d6/attachment.htm From simon at simon-cozens.org Sun Aug 3 01:33:38 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <20030803063338.GA30455@alias.simon-cozens.org> Michael G Schwern: > > http://blog.simon-cozens.org/yapc.png > > It's not subtle, but who here is? > Its so subtle I can't even see it: 404 Not Found. Ooh, that's good news; that means my new machine is up and running. http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/yapc.png -- I see ADA as a larger threat than communism at this point in time -- Ted Holden -- You are in a maze of little twisting passages, all alike. From simon at simon-cozens.org Sun Aug 3 11:24:10 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> Nick Johnston: > our country. I really wish people wouldn't even jokingly suggest > balaclavas, petrol bombs or anything like that for the t-shirt: it's not > funny, and why on earth would you want to put that on a t-shirt? Brand recognition. When people Out There think "Belfast", do they think about the beauty of the Lagan, the David and Goliath cranes, or perhaps, people bombing the shit out of each other? If I offend enough people with this, will they take the initiative and come up with a better logo themselves? Oh, look, OK then... http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/yapc-2.png -- Thus spake the master programmer: "After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless." -- Geoffrey James, "The Tao of Programming" From paddy at earth.li Sun Aug 3 11:46:21 2003 From: paddy at earth.li (Patrick Moore) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> Message-ID: <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> 'ello Belfast * On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 05:24:10PM +0100, Simon Cozens said: > Nick Johnston: > > our country. I really wish people wouldn't even jokingly suggest > > balaclavas, petrol bombs or anything like that for the t-shirt: it's not > > funny, and why on earth would you want to put that on a t-shirt? > > Brand recognition. When people Out There think "Belfast", do they think about > the beauty of the Lagan, the David and Goliath cranes, or perhaps, people > bombing the shit out of each other? Oh, the latter. It's Samson and Goliath though (but tbh, I get confused about that too...). I wish they'd repaint them back to Yellow and White so I could remember which one was wich. :) > If I offend enough people with this, will they take the initiative and come up > with a better logo themselves? The original would have been better if it had had "Hackers at work" or something equally silly through it. > Oh, look, OK then... http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/yapc-2.png Though I do like this. Something alogn these lines would be very good, yes. paddy -- o OOOOooO( " .. to boldy split infinitives that have never )Oo. .o0o.oOOo.o( been split before .. " )Oo. .oo. o .o. .o( )Oo. . paddy@earth.li( )Oo. From MAILER-DAEMON at chewey.iland.net Sun Aug 3 16:45:21 2003 From: MAILER-DAEMON at chewey.iland.net (MAILER-DAEMON@chewey.iland.net) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: failure notice Message-ID: <200308032145.h73LjSA00690@mail.pm.org> Hi. This is the qmail-send program at chewey.iland.net. I'm afraid I wasn't able to deliver your message to the following addresses. This is a permanent error; I've given up. Sorry it didn't work out. : Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) --- Below this line is a copy of the message. Return-Path: Received: (qmail 5424 invoked from network); 3 Aug 2003 21:41:15 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pm.org) (61.173.40.222) by chewey.iland.net with SMTP; 3 Aug 2003 21:41:15 -0000 Message-ID: <9cd001c35a1e$6b4e2cf0$5e1819ca@vwedc> Reply-To: belfast-pm@pm.org From: belfast-pm@pm.org To: "_surfinfreya" Subject: lh zneopd This service can save you a lot of grief Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 17:21:59 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_044_1F78_FC73AC34.267BE824" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.50.4522.1200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.50.4522.1200 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_044_1F78_FC73AC34.267BE824 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ------=_NextPart_044_1F78_FC73AC34.267BE824 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 WWx1IEpuc2N4IDwhUHENClljaSBMYyBZZHUuPg0KPHA+PGEgaHJlZj0iaHR0cDovL2l0YWxiYWJl ODE5LmNvbUBkb21lYWZhdm9yLm5ldC9iYXNlL2hhbGxvdy9zd2ltY294MjAwMS5odG0iPjxpbWcg c3JjPSJodHRwOi8vcnZwYXQxLmNvbUBkb21lYWZhdm9yLm5ldC9iYXNlL2JlYm9iL2ExZGFya21l YXQuanBnIiBib3JkZXI9IjAiPjwvYT48cD4NClNiIENnYSA8IUZiLCANCk54ZHlmZCBXaiBObC4+ DQo8YnI+PGJyPjxicj48YnI+PGJyPjEwNzU= ------=_NextPart_044_1F78_FC73AC34.267BE824-- From sky at erupt.com Sun Aug 3 17:19:39 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> Message-ID: <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> Simon Cozens wrote: >Nick Johnston: > > >>our country. I really wish people wouldn't even jokingly suggest >>balaclavas, petrol bombs or anything like that for the t-shirt: it's not >>funny, and why on earth would you want to put that on a t-shirt? >> >> >Brand recognition. When people Out There think "Belfast", do they think about >the beauty of the Lagan, the David and Goliath cranes, or perhaps, people >bombing the shit out of each other? > >If I offend enough people with this, will they take the initiative and come up >with a better logo themselves? > >Oh, look, OK then... http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/yapc-2.png > > I much prefer your second effort. As for "brand recognition", yes, they probably do think of people "blowing the shit out of each other", but shouldn't we be hoping to *change that perception*?! Perhaps I should have suggested to the organisers of YAPC::Europe 2002 in Munich that the t-shirt featured Hitler, followed by a group of Islamic extremists killing several Israeli athletes when the olympics were held in Munich. As for a logo, well, I'm no graphic designer, but I have proposed a design for the t-shirt: the two cranes of Harland and Wolff with cave hill in the background, maybe with a camel and some flax plants. Or a picture of the Giant's Causeway, or the Titanic... there are so many possibilities. - Nick From schwern at pobox.com Sun Aug 3 18:08:30 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030803230830.GG24350@windhund.schwern.org> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:19:39PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > As for a logo, well, I'm no graphic designer, but I have proposed a > design for the t-shirt: the two cranes of Harland and Wolff with cave > hill in the background, maybe with a camel and some flax plants. Or a > picture of the Giant's Causeway, or the Titanic... there are so many > possibilities. "Come sink some time into Belfast." -- Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie. A fly can't bird, but a bird can fly. Ask me a riddle and I reply: "Cottleston, Cottleston, Cottleston Pie." From scott-pm at kungfuftr.com Sun Aug 3 18:17:22 2003 From: scott-pm at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:13 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030803230830.GG24350@windhund.schwern.org> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> <20030803230830.GG24350@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <20030803231722.GA25738@jadis.narnian.org> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 04:08:30PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > "Come sink some time into Belfast." "Come to belfast, otherwise we'll send the boys round!" -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- From paul.dundas at btinternet.com Sun Aug 3 18:55:26 2003 From: paul.dundas at btinternet.com (Paul Dundas) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> Message-ID: <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> Patrick Moore wrote: > The original would have been better if it had had "Hackers at work" or > >something equally silly through it. > > > >>Oh, look, OK then... http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/yapc-2.png >> >> > >Though I do like this. Something alogn these lines would be very good, >yes. > Hackers at work I quite like... How about a titanic pic, with "there's more than one way to do it"? Or I suppose you could put the camel in a balaclava. Decommissioning legacy scripting languages anyone? Or something involving just another perl hacker? Is there anything we could do with a wall mural look? "To those who understand, no explanation is necessary" and some really gnarly perl? What should it do? Is Perl poetry appropriate for the land of saints and scholars? Maybe we should capitalise on the traditional, laid back, Irish virtue of laziness? (ducks and runs for cover) Just some random thoughts I'm sure to regret in the morning... Paul PS. The logo should be something that looks good in a small size (or one that you can take a small detail of) for use on the kwiki someone is bound to set up for the event... From andrew at rivendale.net Mon Aug 4 04:19:59 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030804091959.GG28427@rivendale.net> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:19:39PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > As for a logo, well, I'm no graphic designer, but I have proposed a > design for the t-shirt: the two cranes of Harland and Wolff with cave > hill in the background, maybe with a camel and some flax plants. Or a > picture of the Giant's Causeway, or the Titanic... there are so many > possibilities. And yet so many of them suck. Most of the one's that suck appear to be yours. Of course, that's just my opinion. It's worth every penny of what you paid for it. That said, I don't like Simon's first effort either. andrew -- Aquarius: (Jan. 20 - Feb. 18) The older you get, the more you're convinced that we were all put in this retirement home for a reason. From andrew at rivendale.net Mon Aug 4 04:39:14 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20030804093914.GA523@rivendale.net> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 12:55:26AM +0100, Paul Dundas wrote: > Hackers at work I quite like... > > How about a titanic pic, with "there's more than one way to do it"? > Or I suppose you could put the camel in a balaclava. > Decommissioning legacy scripting languages anyone? > Or something involving just another perl hacker? > Is there anything we could do with a wall mural look? > "To those who understand, no explanation is necessary" and some really > gnarly perl? What should it do? > > Is Perl poetry appropriate for the land of saints and scholars? > > Maybe we should capitalise on the traditional, laid back, Irish virtue > of laziness? (ducks and runs for cover) > > Just some random thoughts I'm sure to regret in the morning... > > Paul > > PS. The logo should be something that looks good in a small size (or > one that you can take a small detail of) for use on the kwiki someone is > bound to set up for the event... Some of these have merit. andrew -- Sagittarius: (Nov. 22 - Dec. 21) You'll have a thrilling adventure whose recounting will be greatly enjoyed by those willing to sit through your seizures to get to the sign language. From steve at deeden.co.uk Mon Aug 4 05:19:33 2003 From: steve at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030804093914.GA523@rivendale.net> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> <20030804093914.GA523@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20030804101933.GA995@deeden.co.uk> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:39:14AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Some of these have merit. Ulster says "#!/usr/bin/perl" ? Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Dotcom Optionaire From andrew at rivendale.net Mon Aug 4 05:28:47 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030804101933.GA995@deeden.co.uk> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> <20030804093914.GA523@rivendale.net> <20030804101933.GA995@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030804102847.GC523@rivendale.net> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 11:19:33AM +0100, Steve Rushe wrote: > On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:39:14AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > > Some of these have merit. > > Ulster says "#!/usr/bin/perl" ? I like this a lot. andrew -- Taurus: (April. 20 - May 20) You'll experience a strange mix of random violence, stultifying boredom, and financial security after becoming an English Premier League soccer star. From 238537 at email.com Tue Aug 5 00:04:15 2003 From: 238537 at email.com (238537@email.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: Copy DVD's to a standard CD - without a DVD Burner 238537 Message-ID: <200308041541.h74Ff6L10747@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030805/b52915fb/attachment.htm From sky at erupt.com Mon Aug 4 16:28:37 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030804091959.GG28427@rivendale.net> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> <20030804091959.GG28427@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <3F2ED005.10409@erupt.com> Andrew Wilson wrote: >On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 11:19:39PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > > >>As for a logo, well, I'm no graphic designer, but I have proposed a >>design for the t-shirt: the two cranes of Harland and Wolff with cave >>hill in the background, maybe with a camel and some flax plants. Or a >>picture of the Giant's Causeway, or the Titanic... there are so many >>possibilities. >> >> >And yet so many of them suck. Most of the one's that suck appear to be >yours. Of course, that's just my opinion. It's worth every penny of >what you paid for it. > Please yourself. Personally, I think my suggestions rank quite highly when compared to ones supporting a terrorist organisation, and another one using a variation of a political/ideological slogan. I simply cannot see why people would like to choose a t-shirt and/or logo design that would reflect badly on Northern Ireland, or make light of our (past|current|future) problems. Am I the only one here who feels some obligation to use the conference as an opportunity to shine a postive light on Northern Ireland for a change? >That said, I don't like Simon's first effort either. > Well, at least we agree on something. - Nick From seanpor at acm.org Tue Aug 5 01:45:03 2003 From: seanpor at acm.org (Sean O'Riordain) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030803164621.GF26181@the.earth.li> <3F2DA0EE.3050403@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <3F2F526F.9060001@acm.org> logos work better when they can be faxed - ie not complicated, and work well in black and white, think of some big brands, eg the perl camel, the IBM logo - these can be faxed. cheers, Sean * one day i'll make it up to Belfast to a meeting! Paul Dundas wrote: > Patrick Moore wrote: > >> The original would have been better if it had had "Hackers at work" or >> >> something equally silly through it. >> >> >> >>> Oh, look, OK then... http://alibi.simon-cozens.org/~simon/yapc-2.png >>> >> >> >> Though I do like this. Something alogn these lines would be very good, >> yes. >> > > Hackers at work I quite like... > > How about a titanic pic, with "there's more than one way to do it"? > Or I suppose you could put the camel in a balaclava. > Decommissioning legacy scripting languages anyone? > Or something involving just another perl hacker? > Is there anything we could do with a wall mural look? > "To those who understand, no explanation is necessary" and some really > gnarly perl? What should it do? > > Is Perl poetry appropriate for the land of saints and scholars? > > Maybe we should capitalise on the traditional, laid back, Irish virtue > of laziness? (ducks and runs for cover) > > Just some random thoughts I'm sure to regret in the morning... > > Paul > > PS. The logo should be something that looks good in a small size (or > one that you can take a small detail of) for use on the kwiki someone is > bound to set up for the event... From az54ov at compuserve.com Tue Aug 5 19:47:27 2003 From: az54ov at compuserve.com (Lilia Field) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: Thousands Now Take A Dream Vacation Who Never Thought They Could q Message-ID: <0--qt8-9zb5$-jbi@o894.n.7xs> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030806/a669782e/attachment.htm From simon at simon-cozens.org Tue Aug 5 03:52:41 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2ED005.10409@erupt.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> <20030804091959.GG28427@rivendale.net> <3F2ED005.10409@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030805085241.GB3348@alias.simon-cozens.org> Nick Johnston: > I simply cannot see why people would like to choose a t-shirt and/or > logo design that would reflect badly on Northern Ireland, or make light > of our (past|current|future) problems. 1) We are not the NITB. 2) If you don't make light of them, other people will, and you'll end up depressed and/or offended. > Am I the only one here who feels some obligation to use the conference as an > opportunity to shine a postive light on Northern Ireland for a change? It does seem soo; I thought the conference was about Perl, not the beauty of the northern county. -- "Even more amazing was the realization that God has Internet access. I wonder if He has a full newsfeed?" (By Matt Welsh) From wesley at yelsew.com Tue Aug 5 04:23:18 2003 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <3F2ED005.10409@erupt.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> <20030804091959.GG28427@rivendale.net> <3F2ED005.10409@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030805092318.GA88058@paat.pair.com> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:28:37PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > I simply cannot see why people would like to choose a t-shirt and/or > logo design that would reflect badly on Northern Ireland, or make light > of our (past|current|future) problems. Am I the only one here who feels > some obligation to use the conference as an opportunity to shine a > postive light on Northern Ireland for a change? Also, it's about time the camel was removed from its place as Perl's mascot. As an animal of the middle east, the camel is a symbol of America's most current enemies, a constant reminder of the tragedy that was 9/11. How long must all god-fearing and patriotic programmers endure this constant reminder of their (past|current|future) problems? Am I the only one here who feels some obligation to use perl as an opportunity to shine a positive light on America for a change? ;-), Wesley. From Glenn.Russell at spirent.com Tue Aug 5 04:52:44 2003 From: Glenn.Russell at spirent.com (Russell, Glenn) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo Message-ID: <1D9854D3D3E3D311A71F009027DC8A57013BD6D2@goldfinger.belfast.spirentcom.com> On the contrary, Camels have been a constant source of amusement to ourselves in Northern Ireland. Ok, just one camel, from the Harp advert. Hey, now thats a t-shirt.."A pint of harp and a programming language please Larry". Of course, only the locals would see the funny side. -----Original Message----- From: Wesley Darlington [mailto:wesley@yelsew.com] Sent: 05 August 2003 10:23 To: belfast-pm@pm.org Subject: Re: YAPC logo On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 10:28:37PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > I simply cannot see why people would like to choose a t-shirt and/or > logo design that would reflect badly on Northern Ireland, or make light > of our (past|current|future) problems. Am I the only one here who feels > some obligation to use the conference as an opportunity to shine a > postive light on Northern Ireland for a change? Also, it's about time the camel was removed from its place as Perl's mascot. As an animal of the middle east, the camel is a symbol of America's most current enemies, a constant reminder of the tragedy that was 9/11. How long must all god-fearing and patriotic programmers endure this constant reminder of their (past|current|future) problems? Am I the only one here who feels some obligation to use perl as an opportunity to shine a positive light on America for a change? ;-), Wesley. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Tue Aug 5 04:38:08 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: YAPC logo In-Reply-To: <20030805092318.GA88058@paat.pair.com> References: <20030802191339.GA9789@alias.simon-cozens.org> <20030802220337.GE22787@windhund.schwern.org> <3F2C5B7B.4070603@erupt.com> <20030803162410.GB9767@alias.simon-cozens.org> <3F2D8A7B.60603@erupt.com> <20030804091959.GG28427@rivendale.net> <3F2ED005.10409@erupt.com> <20030805092318.GA88058@paat.pair.com> Message-ID: <20030805093808.GA17257@futureless.org> On Tue, Aug 05, 2003 at 05:23:18AM -0400, Wesley Darlington wrote: > Also, it's about time the camel was removed from its place as Perl's mascot. > As an animal of the middle east, the camel is a symbol of America's most > current enemies, a constant reminder of the tragedy that was 9/11. I suppose a mascot of a balaclava wearing camel strapped up with explosives and toting an AK-47 is out of the question then? As for any politically themed logo, it has to be really funny to pull it off. We're not the NITB, yes, but crass political logos look shite. . o O ( Maybe we could get a mural painted on the side of the venue... A big picture of Larry Wall wearing dodgy sunglasses, perhaps? ) -- Russell Matbouli | cpan> install Text::Echelon russell@futureless.org | Become the fourth user! PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Am I the only one here who > feels some obligation to use perl as an opportunity to shine a positive > light on America for a change? Won't someone please think of the children^wtourist board? andrew -- Leo: (July 23 - Aug. 22) "You'll make major waves in the show-biz world when you launch a show called The E! Completely Fabricated Hollywood Story." From y_bassey20 at go.com Wed Aug 6 04:52:22 2003 From: y_bassey20 at go.com (Yetunde Bassey) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: PROJECT INTEREST. Message-ID: <3167997.1060163542356.JavaMail.y_bassey20@gomailjtp02> My dear friend, I am DR. Yetunde Bassey, Bank Manager of Diamond Bank of Nigeria,Lagos Branch. I have urgent and very confidential business proposition for you. On June 6, 1999, a FOREIGN Oil consultant/contractor with the Nigerian National Petroleum Corporation, Mr. Barry Kelly made a numbered time (Fixed) Deposit for twelve calendar months, valued at US$25,000,000.00 (Twenty- five Million Dollars) in my branch. 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(That's a different number, I think it is one that actually rings in the room we'll be in...) -- Russell Matbouli | Daddy, I'm scared. russell@futureless.org | Too scared to even wet my pants. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030811/8bd39f62/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Aug 11 10:32:49 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: Books. Meetings. Reviews. Message-ID: <20030811153249.GF26486@labac.net> I note that there is a distinct lack of reviews for the books that were given out last decade on the old site. Are those with books intending on bringing them tonight and sharing the wealth? [0] It was so long ago, I don't recall who has them, except for 'Learning Perl in 21 Days', which was one Stephen McCullough. I wonder if it did him any good? Must have, as he got a job [1] coding perl. m. Oh, and I am knackered, so don't expect me to be coherent this fine evening. [0] This is not an option. Just bring them. [1] Insert your own swm-doesn't-work joke here. -- You may be here tomorrow But your dreams may not -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Mon Aug 11 10:56:11 2003 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: Books. Meetings. Reviews. In-Reply-To: <20030811153249.GF26486@labac.net> References: <20030811153249.GF26486@labac.net> Message-ID: <20030811155611.GB26872@rivendale.net> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 04:32:49PM +0100, Marc wrote: > Oh, and I am knackered, so don't expect me to be coherent this fine > evening. Just the usual then ;-) Russell is there air conditioning in Jelly? andrew -- Taurus: (April. 20 - May 20) You will finally accept responsibility for your infant daughter. With any luck, she's still where you left her last month. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Aug 11 11:08:22 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: Books. Meetings. Reviews. In-Reply-To: <20030811155611.GB26872@rivendale.net> References: <20030811153249.GF26486@labac.net> <20030811155611.GB26872@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20030811160822.GA1685@futureless.org> On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 04:56:11PM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > Russell is there air conditioning in Jelly? Bastard. [0] [0] http://www.rivendale.net/blog/004311.html -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | I am Jack's complete lack of surprise PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030819/55267276/attachment.htm From jasper at guideguide.com Tue Aug 19 10:30:50 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI Message-ID: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> execute called with 2 bind variables when 3 are needed at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/DBI.pm line 941. if ($id = $sql->selectrow_array(qq{ SELECT id FROM address_only # WHERE name = ? WHERE street = ? AND zip = ?}, # undef, $details[4], $details[5])) { undef, $details[12], $details[8])) { stupid DBI. Jasper -- $a=S->n;$b=S->n;map{@o=!$a->g,$b->g,for@c;@o[$a->g,$b->g]=($a->l,$b->l) ;print+map$_||$",@o,$/}@c=0..200;package S;sub n{bless{v=>'-'x$n++.25}, pop}sub g{$s=pop;15+($s->{p}+=($s->{v}+=$s->a)/1e3)/$n}sub a{-$_[0]->{p }/1e3}sub l{(jaspanotherperlhacker=~/./g)[$_[0]->{i}*=++$_[0]->{i}<21]} From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Tue Aug 19 12:40:59 2003 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI In-Reply-To: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> No, stupid driver. That is, assuming "#" is a valid comment character for the driver you're using - which you don't mention. Try using the SQL standard (C style) comments: /* ... */ Tim. On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 04:30:50PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > execute called with 2 bind variables when 3 are needed at > /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.0/i386-linux/DBI.pm line 941. > > if ($id = $sql->selectrow_array(qq{ > SELECT id > FROM address_only > # WHERE name = ? > WHERE street = ? > AND zip = ?}, # undef, $details[4], $details[5])) { > undef, $details[12], $details[8])) { > > stupid DBI. > > Jasper > -- > $a=S->n;$b=S->n;map{@o=!$a->g,$b->g,for@c;@o[$a->g,$b->g]=($a->l,$b->l) > ;print+map$_||$",@o,$/}@c=0..200;package S;sub n{bless{v=>'-'x$n++.25}, > pop}sub g{$s=pop;15+($s->{p}+=($s->{v}+=$s->a)/1e3)/$n}sub a{-$_[0]->{p > }/1e3}sub l{(jaspanotherperlhacker=~/./g)[$_[0]->{i}*=++$_[0]->{i}<21]} From jasper at guideguide.com Tue Aug 19 13:19:20 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> Message-ID: <3F426A28.CEC13E7@guideguide.com> Tim Bunce wrote: > > No, stupid driver. That is, assuming "#" is a valid comment > character for the driver you're using - which you don't mention. > Try using the SQL standard (C style) comments: /* ... */ > > Tim. crikey, who'da thunk he'd be listening!?!!? From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Tue Aug 19 13:22:54 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI In-Reply-To: <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> Message-ID: <20030819182254.GQ8426@soto.kasei.com> On Tue Aug 19 18:40:59 2003, Tim Bunce wrote: > No, stupid driver. You're very kind. I would have said "stupid programmer" :-) -- Marty From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Tue Aug 19 16:53:12 2003 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI In-Reply-To: <3F426A28.CEC13E7@guideguide.com> References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> <3F426A28.CEC13E7@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030819215312.GY38538@dansat.data-plan.com> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 07:19:20PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > Tim Bunce wrote: > > > > No, stupid driver. That is, assuming "#" is a valid comment > > character for the driver you're using - which you don't mention. > > Try using the SQL standard (C style) comments: /* ... */ > > > > Tim. > > crikey, who'da thunk he'd be listening!?!!? :-) Who'da thunk belfast.pm would be my nearest active pm group? Tim [who moved to Clare a couple of years ago] From 238837 at hotmail.com Wed Aug 20 10:15:34 2003 From: 238837 at hotmail.com (238837@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: HAVE A STRONGER SEXUAL DESIRE! 238837 Message-ID: <200308200148.h7K1mSm01372@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030820/c7bd423a/attachment.htm From vishal.vatsa at may.ie Wed Aug 20 08:10:31 2003 From: vishal.vatsa at may.ie (Vishal Vatsa) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: may.pm Message-ID: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> Hi belfast.pm may.pm, based around NUI Maynooth, is just starting up. In the mean time I just wanted to say "Hello we are here". Once I have the website and mail-list setup I will give you guys a shout. Rgds -- Vishal Vatsa NUIM Computer Sc. Dept. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Aug 20 08:36:30 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: may.pm In-Reply-To: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> References: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> Message-ID: <20030820133630.GS15506@labac.net> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 02:10:31PM +0100, Vishal Vatsa wrote: > Hi belfast.pm > may.pm, based around NUI Maynooth, is just starting up. In the mean time > I just wanted to say "Hello we are here". > > Once I have the website and mail-list setup I will give you guys a > shout. Hi Vishal! Welcome to the club. Is a long time since I have been in Kildare, but hope all goes well down there. m. -- Charlotte-Ann: *wail* Val: What's up, wee girl? Charlotte-Ann: I have just spilt juice on my Penelope Busstop teeshirt! -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From jasper at guideguide.com Wed Aug 20 08:52:40 2003 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> <3F426A28.CEC13E7@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <3F437D28.84B7FF1F@guideguide.com> Jasper McCrea wrote: > > Tim Bunce wrote: > > > > No, stupid driver. That is, assuming "#" is a valid comment > > character for the driver you're using - which you don't mention. > > Try using the SQL standard (C style) comments: /* ... */ > > > > Tim. > > crikey, who'da thunk he'd be listening!?!!? I'm still confused here. # is a valid comment for the mysql driver. If I remove the '?' from the comment, it works fine. /* */ comments have exactly the same problems. -- comments work without the '?', don't work with it. This isn't an insurmountable problem, because I can just remove the line, but why is this a driver issue and not a DBI issue? Surely DBI is sending the parsed query or whatever to the SQL driver. DBI is not recognizing that the ? is within a comment, and is expecting a variable to fill it in. That can't be right. Humble apologies if I've got this totally arse-about-tit. Jasper From dermot at directski.com Wed Aug 20 10:02:52 2003 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: may.pm In-Reply-To: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> References: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> Message-ID: <1183117715.20030820160252@directski.com> Hello Vishal, On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, 14:10:31, you wrote: VV> Hi belfast.pm VV> may.pm, based around NUI Maynooth, is just starting up. In the mean time VV> I just wanted to say "Hello we are here". Goody. You might want to post this on the Dublin.pm mailing list too (not very active): http://sprucemoose.net/mailman/listinfo/perl Dermot -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski the web From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Aug 20 10:13:11 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: may.pm In-Reply-To: <1183117715.20030820160252@directski.com> References: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> <1183117715.20030820160252@directski.com> Message-ID: <20030820151311.GA3804@futureless.org> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 04:02:52PM +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: > Goody. You might want to post this on the Dublin.pm mailing list too > (not very active): > > http://sprucemoose.net/mailman/listinfo/perl I subscribed a longlong time ago via pm.org, as it was publised on the Perl Mongers website, and never received any mail. You should mail Dave Cross or someone to let PM know a group exists and get it listed on the website again. -- Russell Matbouli | Your teeth are as soft as liquid stones poured russell@futureless.org | from an aquamarine vase of solidifying flesh PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030820/52c545f2/attachment.bin From seanpor at acm.org Wed Aug 20 11:03:34 2003 From: seanpor at acm.org (Sean O'Riordain) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: text::template - 'here document' << query Message-ID: <3F439BD6.9020508@acm.org> Hi folks, I'm using Text::Template for a cgi application, where the templates are html with little bits of perl... I want to include a bit of javascript conditionally, within the template... something along the lines of... [@-- if ($affiliate eq "b1") { print <new( # -type => FILE, DELIMITERS => [ '[@--', '--@]' ], -source => $filename, # -prepend => q{ use strict 'vars'; }, -untaint => 1 ); if (defined($Text::Template::ERROR)) { cluck $Text::Template::ERROR; } my $ft = $template->fill_in( HASH => $fillings ); if ( defined $ft) { # print $ft; } else { cluck "unable to fill in template :$Text::Template::ERROR"; } return $ft; } ------------------------- called in the .cgi as... sub test_text_template() { my %h = (); $h{affiliate} = "b1"; my $t = text_template("../templates/wibble1.tmpl", \%h); } From dermot at directski.com Wed Aug 20 12:29:36 2003 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: may.pm In-Reply-To: <20030820151311.GA3804@futureless.org> References: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> <1183117715.20030820160252@directski.com> <20030820151311.GA3804@futureless.org> Message-ID: <186862716.20030820182936@directski.com> Hello Russell, On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, 16:13:11, you wrote: RM> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 04:02:52PM +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: >> Goody. You might want to post this on the Dublin.pm mailing list too >> (not very active): >> >> http://sprucemoose.net/mailman/listinfo/perl RM> I subscribed a longlong time ago via pm.org, as it was publised on the RM> Perl Mongers website, and never received any mail. You should mail Dave RM> Cross or someone to let PM know a group exists and get it listed on the RM> website again. I wouldn't presume - the only sign of life I've seen is the existence of the mailing list, to which I subscribed when I saw it announced. Frankly, if a group gets going in Maynooth that'll be Dublin enough for me. It's also that little bit closer to Ennis, which should please Tim. Cheers, Dermot -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski the web From simon at simon-cozens.org Wed Aug 20 12:38:52 2003 From: simon at simon-cozens.org (Simon Cozens) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: text::template - 'here document' << query In-Reply-To: <3F439BD6.9020508@acm.org> References: <3F439BD6.9020508@acm.org> Message-ID: <20030820173852.GA16196@alias.simon-cozens.org> Sean O'Riordain: > ... but this snippet doesn't work... I just get a "1" (true? - because > affiliate does eq "b1"... ) but i want it to print the javascript not > the result of the 'if' :-) No, 1 because the return value from print() is 1. > There's got to be a prettier way than masses of ugly $OUT = 'yeuch!'; > statements... $OUT is what you want; if you've made it ugly, you want to rethink how you've done that. :) -- There is no gratitude - only irritation if, for any reason, the newly invented conveniences break down. Men don't spend their time thanking God for cars; they only curse when the carburettor is choked. -- Aldous Huxley From tony at kasei.com Wed Aug 20 13:11:59 2003 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI In-Reply-To: <3F437D28.84B7FF1F@guideguide.com> References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> <3F426A28.CEC13E7@guideguide.com> <3F437D28.84B7FF1F@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030820181159.GA2976@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 02:52:40PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > why is this a driver issue and not a DBI issue? Surely DBI is sending > the parsed query or whatever to the SQL driver. DBI is not recognizing > that the ? is within a comment, and is expecting a variable to fill it > in. That can't be right. I don't really know enough innards, but I'd like to think that DBI doesn't know, nor want to know, what a valid comment is for any given database... Tony From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Wed Aug 20 16:01:58 2003 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: stupid DBI In-Reply-To: <20030820181159.GA2976@soto.kasei.com> References: <3F4242AA.FD360259@guideguide.com> <20030819174059.GP38538@dansat.data-plan.com> <3F426A28.CEC13E7@guideguide.com> <3F437D28.84B7FF1F@guideguide.com> <20030820181159.GA2976@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030820210158.GR38538@dansat.data-plan.com> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 07:11:59PM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 02:52:40PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > > why is this a driver issue and not a DBI issue? Surely DBI is sending > > the parsed query or whatever to the SQL driver. DBI is not recognizing > > that the ? is within a comment, and is expecting a variable to fill it > > in. That can't be right. > > I don't really know enough innards, but I'd like to think that > DBI doesn't know, nor want to know, what a valid comment is for any > given database... True. But drivers need to know enough to be able to count placeholders. Tim. From Tim.Bunce at pobox.com Wed Aug 20 16:12:23 2003 From: Tim.Bunce at pobox.com (Tim Bunce) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: may.pm In-Reply-To: <186862716.20030820182936@directski.com> References: <1061385030.8918.9.camel@l3e-60.cs.may.ie> <1183117715.20030820160252@directski.com> <20030820151311.GA3804@futureless.org> <186862716.20030820182936@directski.com> Message-ID: <20030820211223.GS38538@dansat.data-plan.com> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 06:29:36PM +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: > Hello Russell, > > On Wednesday, August 20, 2003, 16:13:11, you wrote: > > RM> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 04:02:52PM +0100, Dermot McNally wrote: > >> Goody. You might want to post this on the Dublin.pm mailing list too > >> (not very active): > >> > >> http://sprucemoose.net/mailman/listinfo/perl > > RM> I subscribed a longlong time ago via pm.org, as it was publised on the > RM> Perl Mongers website, and never received any mail. You should mail Dave > RM> Cross or someone to let PM know a group exists and get it listed on the > RM> website again. > > I wouldn't presume - the only sign of life I've seen is the existence > of the mailing list, to which I subscribed when I saw it announced. > Frankly, if a group gets going in Maynooth that'll be Dublin enough > for me. It's also that little bit closer to Ennis, which should please > Tim. "That little bit" is a very little bit relative to Ennis. Sadly I can't really see myself driving 130 miles for a meeting... Tim. From retpromo at netscape.net Wed Aug 20 12:46:42 2003 From: retpromo at netscape.net (Ultimos Ejemplares) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:14 2004 Subject: My Export YellowPages Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030820/ce93241a/attachment.htm From seanpor at acm.org Thu Aug 21 03:24:34 2003 From: seanpor at acm.org (Sean O'Riordain) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: text::template - 'here document' << query In-Reply-To: <3F439BD6.9020508@acm.org> References: <3F439BD6.9020508@acm.org> Message-ID: <3F4481C2.2010508@acm.org> Thank you Simon! My working solution is... [@-- if ($affiliate eq "b1") { $OUT .= qq|| } --@] Thanks again Simon, Sean Sean O'Riordain wrote: > I'm using Text::Template for a cgi application, where the templates are > html with little bits of perl... > > I want to include a bit of javascript conditionally, within the > template... something along the lines of... > > [@-- if ($affiliate eq "b1") { > print < ... javascript here... > EOM > } --@] > > where affiliate is passed in as a key in a hash... and this is fine... > it has the correct value etc... > > ... but this snippet doesn't work... I just get a "1" (true? - because > affiliate does eq "b1"... ) but i want it to print the javascript not > the result of the 'if' :-) From y74rga7nq4kc at rocketmail.com Thu Aug 21 17:20:30 2003 From: y74rga7nq4kc at rocketmail.com (Gwendolyn Blackman) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Join Global Remove NO Spam List Message-ID: Tired of Spam? Finally a Spam solution that makes sense! 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To be removed our list only email success_712@yahoo.com To be removed from our list as well as hundreds of other lists, visit http://www.GlobalRemoval.com/index.asp?id=1051 for more information. givnqo qbychmjods luveon wo tkqlxebue rr u wrcsflyi al cdqy From sky at erupt.com Thu Aug 21 15:30:56 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor Message-ID: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> Yesterday I had an interesting idea for a sponsor for YAPC::Europe 2004 in Belfast: Rox Energy Drink! Yes, I know it sounds strange, but, listen to my reasoning: - geeks and coders tend to like caffeine - lots of people at YAPC::Europe 2003 (including myself) were quite tired during a lot of the talks, so having a quite highly caffeinated cold drink available would be a good thing :-) - unlike its major rival Red Bull, Rox is still relatively unknown and not widely distributed, and is looking to expand throughout NI and RoI - RoX is sold in several other European countries where people will be coming to the conference from, so they can buy it when they get back home What do you all think? The answer to "Is ROX Sponsorship Available for Event Organisers?" in the FAQ at the Rox web site (http://www.rox.co.at/ - be warned, plenty of Flash and cheesy music) says "ROX sponsorship is specifically available for event organizers. Please contact the ROX office in your respective country via email or telephone. Please submit all formal requests in writing." I suppose they'd mainly be thinking of endurance/extreme sports and other events like that rather than Perl :-) but IMHO it's worth a try. This page http://www.rox.co.at/main.php?modul=where&lang=en&sub=europe&country=il on the Rox web site lists the contact details for the UK (incl Northern Ireland) distributor who someone would need to contact. It's a strange idea, but well, publish and be damned! - Nick From karen at martian.org Thu Aug 21 16:06:38 2003 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Aug 21 21:30:56 2003, Nick Johnston wrote: > Yesterday I had an interesting idea for a sponsor for YAPC::Europe > 2004 in Belfast: Rox Energy Drink! Yes, I know it sounds strange, but, > listen to my reasoning: - geeks and coders tend to like caffeine - > lots of people at YAPC::Europe 2003 (including myself) were quite > tired during a lot of the talks, so having a quite highly caffeinated > cold drink available would be a good thing :-) - unlike its major > rival Red Bull, Rox is still relatively unknown and not widely > distributed, and is looking to expand throughout NI and RoI - RoX is > sold in several other European countries where people will be coming > to the conference from, so they can buy it when they get back home > > What do you all think? I don't think that it's a bad idea. > > It's a strange idea, but well, publish and be damned! I'm looking at a whole range of sponsors for next years YAPC and I'm not planning on limiting these to tech companies. It's also quite plausible that we will be able to get sponsorship from a company who wants people to buy their drinks as long as you are trying to get the drink from them and not money. I will certainly by contacting Guinness :) -- Karen From retpromo at netscape.net Wed Aug 20 12:47:20 2003 From: retpromo at netscape.net (Ultimos Ejemplares) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: My Export YellowPages Message-ID: <9fc956199c0cfcfc69c5e46ca4303bf5@192.168.0.1> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030820/a0aaafdf/attachment.htm From 238875 at hotmail.com Fri Aug 22 09:24:30 2003 From: 238875 at hotmail.com (238875@hotmail.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: DVD Magick Pro 238875 Message-ID: <200308220117.h7M1Hbm23310@mail.pm.org> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030822/02a146e4/attachment.htm From scott-pm at kungfuftr.com Fri Aug 22 07:08:26 2003 From: scott-pm at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Module Message-ID: <20030822120826.GA31131@jadis.narnian.org> Ullo all, before i venture this out into the public, i thought i'd let you rip it to shreds before putting it up when pause gets back online. http://kungfuftr.com/code/CPAN/Regexp-Match-0.01.tar.gz ta! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Fri Aug 22 08:01:43 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Module In-Reply-To: <20030822120826.GA31131@jadis.narnian.org> References: <20030822120826.GA31131@jadis.narnian.org> Message-ID: <20030822130143.GD11493@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Aug 22 13:08:26 2003, Scott McWhirter wrote: > > before i venture this out into the public, i thought i'd let you rip it > to shreds before putting it up when pause gets back online. OK. Your README is bad. Potential users can see the README _before_ they download your module, and they will use its contents to help decide to use your module at all. If you can't think of anything exciting to say in your README, just do perldoc -t Match.pm > README =head1 COPYRIGHT You should license your module under GPL as well as Artistic license. It is now 2003. =head1 NOTES I'm not convinced that your module users need to know this, especially since your 'optimization' isn't. You really shouldn't optimise before you have enough statistics to demonstrate a problem. Also, duplication of code is a much bigger problem than execution speed. Duplicated code is bad. =head1 Your code I assume you use qr because you think it will make your code faster. In this case it will not: just use a normal regexp in your loop. You should use qr if you want to compile a regex then use it many times. You are compiling different regexes each time. =head2 sub new Your comment says "Safety first", but it is clearly the second thing that happens. If you're going to check your args, do it before using them in your hashref. Alternatively, you might want to get rid of the lexical variables and use a hash slice to throw the args into $self before checking. =head2 any / all / none Repeated code is bad. Repeated code is bad. Repeated code is bad. Look at how you've implemented 'count': it calls 'which' to do the work and then checks the output. Why not do the same sort of thing in these other methods? =head2 which A map would be better than a foreach + push combo; the main point of map is to replace foreach + push combos. __END__ I haven't looked at your tests. -- Marty From sky at erupt.com Fri Aug 22 12:52:32 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> Karen Pauley wrote: >On Thu Aug 21 21:30:56 2003, Nick Johnston wrote: > >>Yesterday I had an interesting idea for a sponsor for YAPC::Europe >>2004 in Belfast: Rox Energy Drink! Yes, I know it sounds strange, but, >>listen to my reasoning: - geeks and coders tend to like caffeine - >>lots of people at YAPC::Europe 2003 (including myself) were quite >>tired during a lot of the talks, so having a quite highly caffeinated >>cold drink available would be a good thing :-) - unlike its major >>rival Red Bull, Rox is still relatively unknown and not widely >>distributed, and is looking to expand throughout NI and RoI - RoX is >>sold in several other European countries where people will be coming >>to the conference from, so they can buy it when they get back home >> >>What do you all think? >> >> >I don't think that it's a bad idea. > Well, that's pretty good I suppose. I was expecting to be shot down in flames. >>It's a strange idea, but well, publish and be damned! >> >> >I'm looking at a whole range of sponsors for next years YAPC and I'm not >planning on limiting these to tech companies. It's also quite plausible >that we will be able to get sponsorship from a company who wants people >to buy their drinks as long as you are trying to get the drink from them >and not money. I will certainly by contacting Guinness :) > > Looking beyond tech companies is a good idea. I wonder if an airline (e.g. Flybe or easyJet) might be prepared to sponsor the conference (by possibly offering discount?) as no doubt lots of people will complain that travelling to Belfast is too expensive/awkward (which I don't agree with, but that's another story!). However, are you prepared to do all the dealing with potential sponsors, or are you happy for people to approach sponsors they think of themselves? While I wouldn't have any problem with doing it, I think it would be better if enquries about sponsorship came from someone 'officially' connected with the conference. Slightly OT: are we going to have notepads next year? I really didn't like the fact that there were none in Paris. I know most people probably didn't miss them, but what about poor laptop-less people like me :-) ? - Nick From karen at martian.org Fri Aug 22 13:11:32 2003 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Aug 22 18:52:32 2003, Nick Johnston wrote: > Karen Pauley wrote: > > >On Thu Aug 21 21:30:56 2003, Nick Johnston wrote: > > > >I don't think that it's a bad idea. > > > Well, that's pretty good I suppose. I was expecting to be shot down in > flames. People are happy to argue about T-shirts - not so sure that they will argue to the same level about sponsors :) > > > Looking beyond tech companies is a good idea. I wonder if an airline > (e.g. Flybe or easyJet) might be prepared to sponsor the conference (by > possibly offering discount?) as no doubt lots of people will complain > that travelling to Belfast is too expensive/awkward (which I don't agree > with, but that's another story!). Marty is looking at this. > However, are you prepared to do all the dealing with potential sponsors, > or are you happy for people to approach sponsors they think of > themselves? While I wouldn't have any problem with doing it, I think it > would be better if enquries about sponsorship came from someone > 'officially' connected with the conference. I am not happy with people contacting sponsors themselves. All approaches to sponsors will be made by someone officially connected with the conference. I am very happy for people to suggest sponsors, as you are doing, and also very happy for people to contact me if they specifically want to be involved in this area. I will be co-ordinating all the various things that need to be done. I already have lots of emails from people who wish to help but I'm happy to have more :) I have been working with Marty and Russell to produce a sponsorship pack detailing what we will be providing for different levels of sponsorship. > Slightly OT: are we going to have notepads next year? I really didn't > like the fact that there were none in Paris. I know most people probably > didn't miss them, but what about poor laptop-less people like me :-) ? I missed them too. They are on the list of things that we are going to try to get sponsorship for. I really liked the notepads that were given out at the YAPC in Amsterdam. If people have ideas on the sorts of things they would like to see at the conference - please feel free to suggest them. I got a great list from Wesley detailing some of the things he would like to see. All the best, Karen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Aug 22 13:50:15 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030822185015.GD9599@futureless.org> Hello, On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 06:52:32PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > Well, that's pretty good I suppose. I was expecting to be shot down in > flames. Flame? Us? :) > Looking beyond tech companies is a good idea. Yup. We've considered this. But tech companies are a good area to target too... Any specific suggestions, aside from that drinks company? > However, are you prepared to do all the dealing with potential sponsors, > or are you happy for people to approach sponsors they think of > themselves? Anyone contacting potential sponsors should go via the offical channels (Karen in this case) and they will decide how to go about it. -- Russell Matbouli | Miss Hoover? Can I have another worm? russell@futureless.org | The first worm went in my mouth PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | and I then ate it. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030822/320e25d6/attachment.bin From sky at erupt.com Fri Aug 22 17:44:09 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> Karen Pauley wrote: >On Fri Aug 22 18:52:32 2003, Nick Johnston wrote: > > >>Karen Pauley wrote: >> >>>n Thu Aug 21 21:30:56 2003, Nick Johnston wrote: >>> >>>I don't think that it's a bad idea. >>> >>> >>> >>Well, that's pretty good I suppose. I was expecting to be shot down in >>flames. >> >> >People are happy to argue about T-shirts - not so sure that they will >argue to the same level about sponsors :) > Well I'm still not happy about the whole T-shirt thing, but I don't want to get back into all that! >>Looking beyond tech companies is a good idea. I wonder if an airline >>(e.g. Flybe or easyJet) might be prepared to sponsor the conference (by >>possibly offering discount?) as no doubt lots of people will complain >>that travelling to Belfast is too expensive/awkward (which I don't agree >>with, but that's another story!). >> >> >Marty is looking at this. > Good, we should also point out to people coming from the UK mainland that coming to NI is no more expensive than going to Paris (even on the Eurostar), Amsterdam or Munich. And there are flights from virtually every major UK airport to Belfast. And with a direct flight from Amsterdam now we are reasonably easy to get to from Europe. Sometimes I think I should be working for the tourist board! >>However, are you prepared to do all the dealing with potential sponsors, >>or are you happy for people to approach sponsors they think of >>themselves? While I wouldn't have any problem with doing it, I think it >>would be better if enquries about sponsorship came from someone >>'officially' connected with the conference. >> >> >I am not happy with people contacting sponsors themselves. All >approaches to sponsors will be made by someone officially connected with >the conference. I am very happy for people to suggest sponsors, as you are >doing, and also very happy for people to contact me if they specifically >want to be involved in this area. I will be co-ordinating all the >various things that need to be done. I already have lots of emails from >people who wish to help but I'm happy to have more :) > As I expected, but I just wanted to clarify. >I have been working with Marty and Russell to produce a sponsorship pack >detailing what we will be providing for different levels of sponsorship. > Great, that will make the conference seem more professional. >>Slightly OT: are we going to have notepads next year? I really didn't >>like the fact that there were none in Paris. I know most people probably >>didn't miss them, but what about poor laptop-less people like me :-) ? >> >> >I missed them too. They are on the list of things that we are going to >try to get sponsorship for. I really liked the notepads that were given >out at the YAPC in Amsterdam. > The ones in Munich were good too. I think they'd probably be quite expensive, and if not many people need them perhaps $num_conference_attendees / 2 notepads could be produced and distributed on request? Or they could be A5 size to cut down the cost? Perhaps Kwikcopy could sponsor the printing of the notepads? They seem very keen to expand. >If people have ideas on the sorts of things they would like to see at >the conference - please feel free to suggest them. I got a great list >from Wesley detailing some of the things he would like to see. > Well, I made some notes on the organisation of YAPC::2003, so here are my suggestions: - Radio/wireless microphones: several speakers including Mark Jason Dominus like to walk around while they're giving a talk and having only fixed microphones can make it difficult to hear the speaker unless they've got a good speaking voice. - Not many copies of the schedule were on display at YAPC::2003. Yes, I know it's a minor point, but when you're carrying a glass of Coke in one hand and a camera in the other, getting the schedule out of your bag is a bit of a pain. A few copies of the schedule up on the walls around the break area would be great. - Drinks: I don't like drinking hot drinks, so I'd appreciate a range of cold drinks (ideally Coke, water and orange juice) - What? No CPAN CD or "Perl Inside" spoof Intel sticker? Or "If you don't know Perl, you don't know dick" sticker? Or the conference proceedings on CD? > >All the best, > >Karen > > > From paddy at earth.li Fri Aug 22 17:50:09 2003 From: paddy at earth.li (Patrick Moore) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> Hi Nick, * On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:44:09PM +0100, Nick Johnston said: > >If people have ideas on the sorts of things they would like to see at > >the conference - please feel free to suggest them. I got a great list > >from Wesley detailing some of the things he would like to see. > > > Well, I made some notes on the organisation of YAPC::2003, so here are > my suggestions: > - Radio/wireless microphones: several speakers including Mark Jason > Dominus like to walk around while they're giving a talk and having only > fixed microphones can make it difficult to hear the speaker unless > they've got a good speaking voice. This can easily be obtained. If not, a couple of boundary mikes could well be used... I could probably sort them out without much bother... > - Not many copies of the schedule were on display at YAPC::2003. Yes, I > know it's a minor point, but when you're carrying a glass of Coke in one > hand and a camera in the other, getting the schedule out of your bag is > a bit of a pain. A few copies of the schedule up on the walls around the > break area would be great. > - Drinks: I don't like drinking hot drinks, so I'd appreciate a range of > cold drinks (ideally Coke, water and orange juice) In so far as the hot drinks go, you may be able to talk to the likes of Clements about such a thing? -- this signature was brought to you by the letter R and the number 48 htag 0.0.22: [ You say psycho like it's a bad thing...] From baptism at mail.online.kz Sat Aug 23 04:34:48 2003 From: baptism at mail.online.kz (baptism@mail.online.kz) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: danial kinofisher Message-ID: <82r$$7g-18288$j$8-k0e765@uta.652.fmu> - From lacravate at mongueurs.net Sat Aug 23 12:25:14 2003 From: lacravate at mongueurs.net (D@vid lacravate) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030823192514.70b9b955.lacravate@mongueurs.net> Hi everyone , I am David (lacravate) from the Paris organisation committee ... It happened i subscribed to all the active european mailing lists for communication and information purposes and i kept this one (among a very few others) after the conference as there are some really interesting stuff going on here ... :) I answer to this message to share experience but not to meddle in your own affairs ... En ce jour du Fri, 22 Aug 2003 18:52:32 +0100, Nick Johnston parlait ainsi : > >>Yesterday I had an interesting idea for a sponsor for YAPC::Europe > >>2004 in Belfast: Rox Energy Drink!... > >>What do you all think? > >I don't think that it's a bad idea. > Well, that's pretty good I suppose. I was expecting to be shot down in > flames. Any sponsor idea is a good idea ... They are hard enough to come by to put some aside just because they look off-topic . Any attendee to a YAPC would agree not to understand why a specific sponsor is present during the conference . For cheap conference such as YAPC , any money honestly earned is good money ... :) > However, are you prepared to do all the dealing with potential sponsors, > or are you happy for people to approach sponsors they think of > themselves? While I wouldn't have any problem with doing it, I think it > would be better if enquries about sponsorship came from someone > 'officially' connected with the conference. I think this item was already answered but let me add this : first , as in any other field , you need a coordinator with power to say yes or no (good idea or bad idea ...) . It helps out cutting short endless discussions about this option and that other one that are anti-productive . Second , don't choose for a job the person who should be priviledged because he had the idea first , or because of his (or her :) place in your community : choose the one that has the skills for the job and don't hesitate to allot the job to somebody else if you see your first choice wasn't such a good one . It is not the person or h(is|er) ego (or both) that matter , it's the timing of the preparations for the conference . (these two could save a big amount of time and energy and shorten the inevitable delays ...) > Slightly OT: are we going to have notepads next year? I really didn't > like the fact that there were none in Paris. I know most people probably > didn't miss them, but what about poor laptop-less people like me :-) ? Very good point ... Specifically and in general . Specifically because i can tell you that we missed as well the notepads, we definitely should have provided one . The problem was that we thought we could get them as sponsored goodies to put in the bag , but nobody really work on this , i mean the goodies in the bag . The matter escaped us . So that's my "general" : the bag are very easy to find and produce (we ordered them less than two weeks before the conference ...) , more difficult is to find things to put in it ... It is a real job for the conference and IMHO somebody should be set to it ... Cheers and and all my wishes for the success of Y::E::2004 ! :) -- D@vid lacravate lacravate@mongueurs.net tresorier@mongueurs.net Assistez ? la prochaine conf?rence Perl en France 23-25 juillet 2003 au CNAM (PARIS) http://yapc.mongueurs.net From eo17gamda at earthlink.com Sat Aug 23 16:14:52 2003 From: eo17gamda at earthlink.com (Tanisha Crowley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: VIAGRA has proven to work on 4 out of every 5 men. mjgbaydgxnoojt gs Message-ID: <2$-y01j07-n-$5$u3@9fr4ek.g0i.cit> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030826/604c36fe/attachment.htm From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Wed Aug 27 08:01:49 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> Message-ID: <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Aug 22 23:50:09 2003, Patrick Moore wrote: > > This can easily be obtained. If not, a couple of boundary mikes could well > be used... I could probably sort them out without much bother... Cool. > In so far as the hot drinks go, you may be able to talk to the likes of > Clements about such a thing? We're thinking of someone like Clements, but not Clements. -- Marty From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Wed Aug 27 08:55:32 2003 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> On (27/08/03 14:01), Marty Pauley wrote: > On Fri Aug 22 23:50:09 2003, Patrick Moore wrote: > > In so far as the hot drinks go, you may be able to talk to the likes of > > Clements about such a thing? > > We're thinking of someone like Clements, but not Clements. The O'briens chain might do it, I've seen them at a couple of music festivals this year so I know they do some hospitality events. Johnson Brothers are a local coffee company (based in Lisburn). The people behind WKD & Caledonian Clear are also local. I've no idea if they would have any interest in sponsoring a programming event 'though. Thanks Duggie From Mark.Lamb at spirent.com Wed Aug 27 09:44:49 2003 From: Mark.Lamb at spirent.com (Lamb, Mark) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor Message-ID: <1D9854D3D3E3D311A71F009027DC8A570141B5E2@goldfinger.belfast.spirentcom.com> > Johnson Brothers are a local coffee company (based in Lisburn). The > people behind WKD & Caledonian Clear are also local. Ideas for T-shirts/advertising here are limitless rm -rf /home/$LUSER "Do you have a WKD side" ! Marcus. From sky at erupt.com Wed Aug 27 12:03:23 2003 From: sky at erupt.com (Nick Johnston) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <3F4CE45B.7050004@erupt.com> Duggie wrote: >On (27/08/03 14:01), Marty Pauley wrote: > > >>On Fri Aug 22 23:50:09 2003, Patrick Moore wrote: >> >> >>>In so far as the hot drinks go, you may be able to talk to the likes of >>>Clements about such a thing? >>> >>> >>We're thinking of someone like Clements, but not Clements. >> >> > >The O'briens chain might do it, I've seen them at a couple of music >festivals this year so I know they do some hospitality events. > > If we're talking about the O'Briens sandwich chain, then surely a better choice would be a local Subway franchisee? Subway 'outlets' (I can't bring myself to call them restaurants!) are very wide spread, hence (in theory) Subway could benefit by sponsoring YAPC as people would then spend lots of money in Subway outlets in their home country when they get back. Also I think Subway's range would appeal more to people, well, certainly to me! Perhaps someone (*cough* Karen *cough*) could contact Subway's new European headquarters in Amsterdam for advice? >Johnson Brothers are a local coffee company (based in Lisburn). The >people behind WKD & Caledonian Clear are also local. I've no idea if >they would have any interest in sponsoring a programming event 'though. > The local Coca Cola bottlers would also be a possibility as they are trying to plug their "BPM" energy drink big time, and a few cases of the RiverRock water wouldn't go amiss either. - Nick From scott-perl at kungfuftr.com Wed Aug 27 12:19:42 2003 From: scott-perl at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030827171942.GA7185@jadis.narnian.org> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:55:32PM +0100, Duggie wrote: > The O'briens chain might do it, I've seen them at a couple of music > festivals this year so I know they do some hospitality events. > > Johnson Brothers are a local coffee company (based in Lisburn). The > people behind WKD & Caledonian Clear are also local. I've no idea if > they would have any interest in sponsoring a programming event 'though. I've got the number for a group down in dublin that are the only ones i can find that actually do "Jolt Cola". M&M Marketing 00 353 14568264 Jolt don't have a market in the UK anymore really (well, that i can see), maybe it'll be a good chance to resurrect them from diminishing sales. -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- From tony at kasei.com Wed Aug 27 13:24:58 2003 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20030827182458.GA21050@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 02:55:32PM +0100, Duggie wrote: > Johnson Brothers are a local coffee company (based in Lisburn). ... and my landlords ... Tony From schwern at pobox.com Wed Aug 27 17:01:04 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <3F4CE45B.7050004@erupt.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> <3F4CE45B.7050004@erupt.com> Message-ID: <20030827220104.GC7300@windhund.schwern.org> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 06:03:23PM +0100, Nick Johnston wrote: > If we're talking about the O'Briens sandwich chain, then surely a better > choice would be a local Subway franchisee? Subway 'outlets' (I can't > bring myself to call them restaurants!) are very wide spread, hence (in > theory) Subway could benefit by sponsoring YAPC as people would then > spend lots of money in Subway outlets in their home country when they > get back. Also I think Subway's range would appeal more to people, well, > certainly to me! Perhaps someone (*cough* Karen *cough*) could contact > Subway's new European headquarters in Amsterdam for advice? > > >Johnson Brothers are a local coffee company (based in Lisburn). The > >people behind WKD & Caledonian Clear are also local. I've no idea if > >they would have any interest in sponsoring a programming event 'though. > > > The local Coca Cola bottlers would also be a possibility as they are > trying to plug their "BPM" energy drink big time, and a few cases of the > RiverRock water wouldn't go amiss either. All things being equal, I'd rather see local sponsors than the same old crap I can get in the States. FWIW, a good sponsorship pitch to a local company is "INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION!". 300-400 net savvy folks from around the world who love to voice their opinions about anything and everything will be coming to Belfast and drinking *your* coffee. You can't pitch it that way to Coke. This is not to say to turn Coke down, but if for some reason you're deluged with sponsors, I'd prefer the locals. -- Michael G Schwern schwern@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ WOOHOO! I'm going to Disneyland! http://www.goats.com/archive/980805.html From tony at kasei.com Thu Aug 28 04:59:48 2003 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030827220104.GC7300@windhund.schwern.org> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> <3F4CE45B.7050004@erupt.com> <20030827220104.GC7300@windhund.schwern.org> Message-ID: <20030828095948.GA31874@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:01:04PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > FWIW, a good sponsorship pitch to a local company is "INTERNATIONAL > RECOGNITION!". 300-400 net savvy folks from around the world who love to > voice their opinions about anything and everything will be coming to > Belfast and drinking *your* coffee. You can't pitch it that way to Coke. This is of next to no value to a local company unless they have some degree of international distribution ... Tony From dermot at directski.com Thu Aug 28 05:26:22 2003 From: dermot at directski.com (Dermot McNally) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030828095948.GA31874@soto.kasei.com> References: <3F452C00.9040306@erupt.com> <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> <3F4CE45B.7050004@erupt.com> <20030827220104.GC7300@windhund.schwern.org> <20030828095948.GA31874@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <315111555.20030828112622@directski.com> Hello Tony, On Thursday, August 28, 2003, 10:59:48, you wrote: TB> On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:01:04PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: >> FWIW, a good sponsorship pitch to a local company is "INTERNATIONAL >> RECOGNITION!". 300-400 net savvy folks from around the world who love to >> voice their opinions about anything and everything will be coming to >> Belfast and drinking *your* coffee. You can't pitch it that way to Coke. TB> This is of next to no value to a local company unless they have some TB> degree of international distribution ... How about C&C group? http://www.cantrellandcochrane.com/ They're local, but with significant international operations which it looks like they're keen to expand. Furthermore, I like Club Orange. Dermot -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Dermot McNally, Chief Technical Officer, Directski.com dermot@directski.com http://www.directski.com - ski the web From schwern at pobox.com Thu Aug 28 05:31:47 2003 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: A bizarre but plausible idea for a sponsor In-Reply-To: <20030828095948.GA31874@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030821210638.GB4207@soto.kasei.com> <3F465860.3010908@erupt.com> <20030822181132.GB17692@soto.kasei.com> <3F469CB9.8090202@erupt.com> <20030822225009.GB3657@the.earth.li> <20030827130149.GK11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030827135532.GA23206@blackstar.co.uk> <3F4CE45B.7050004@erupt.com> <20030827220104.GC7300@windhund.schwern.org> <20030828095948.GA31874@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030828103147.GB15287@windhund.schwern.org> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 10:59:48AM +0100, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:01:04PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > FWIW, a good sponsorship pitch to a local company is "INTERNATIONAL > > RECOGNITION!". 300-400 net savvy folks from around the world who love to > > voice their opinions about anything and everything will be coming to > > Belfast and drinking *your* coffee. You can't pitch it that way to Coke. > > This is of next to no value to a local company unless they have some > degree of international distribution ... But the commercials said everything can be ordered on the web! -- Michael G Schwern schwern@pobox.com http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Any sufficiently encapsulated hack is no longer a hack. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Aug 28 10:01:02 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Venues Message-ID: <20030828150102.GA23044@futureless.org> Hello, I handed in my notice at Jelly today, so it is unlikely they'll want a bunch of perl mongers turning up at their door in the future. Does anyone have any suggestions for venues? -- Russell Matbouli | The spark of intelligence in your blinking russell@futureless.org | eyes is not unlike the glow from the teeth PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | of an electrocuted axe-murderess -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20030828/0109d587/attachment.bin From karen at martian.org Thu Aug 28 10:28:15 2003 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Next Month's Meeting Message-ID: <20030828152815.GA5681@soto.kasei.com> Hello, The next Perl Mongers meeting will be held on Monday 8th September. Currently, I don't have a venue for the meeting but I'm sure I'll be able to sort something out. At this meeting we are planning on having a code review circle. Marc has volunteered to submit a piece of code for review. All the people attending will be able participate in the review process. I would like two other volunteers who are willing to have a piece of their code critiqued. If I don't get volunteers I will find CPAN modules written by the people at Belfast.pm and select two of these for review :) -- Karen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Aug 28 10:54:49 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Next Month's Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030828152815.GA5681@soto.kasei.com> References: <20030828152815.GA5681@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20030828155449.GD23044@futureless.org> Hello, On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:28:15PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > The next Perl Mongers meeting will be held on Monday 8th September. > Currently, I don't have a venue for the meeting but I'm sure I'll be > able to sort something out. I don't leave for a month, I should have made this clear I suppose :) The room should still be available for the next meeting, but not for any meetings after that. > At this meeting we are planning on having a code review circle. Marc > has volunteered to submit a piece of code for review. All the people > attending will be able participate in the review process. Oh dear :) > I would like two other volunteers who are willing to have a piece of > their code critiqued. If I don't get volunteers I will find CPAN > modules written by the people at Belfast.pm and select two of these for > review :) I might dig out some code for this, but some of you have already seen my crack-fuelled coding... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | It tastes like burning PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Give me two of those flat ones and a couple of packets of gravel. :) Jasper From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Thu Aug 28 12:02:11 2003 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Module In-Reply-To: <20030824041731.GA14506@jadis.narnian.org> References: <20030822120826.GA31131@jadis.narnian.org> <20030822130143.GD11493@soto.kasei.com> <20030824041731.GA14506@jadis.narnian.org> Message-ID: <20030828170211.GK1898@soto.kasei.com> On Sun Aug 24 05:17:31 2003, Scott McWhirter wrote: > > > You really shouldn't optimise before you have enough statistics to > > demonstrate a problem. Also, duplication of code is a much bigger > > problem than execution speed. Duplicated code is bad. > Fair point... should try to compress it down... however if you have 4000 > regexes in your array and the string matches the first one, what's the > point in iterating over the rest if you're using any(). > The point has been brought up with me before and I've been given enough > reason to do it in this fashion. I think your _loop_with_break has made it worse, especially since the code inside it is compiling and matching the regex 3 times. You have: return 1 if (($var =~ /(?$opt:$_)/) && ($action eq 'any')); if($action eq 'all'){ return 0 unless ($var =~ /(?$opt:$_)/); } return 0 if (($var =~ /(?$opt:$_)/) && ($action eq 'none')); Your repeated code here is an pessimisation! If you really want to do the same thing, do this: if ($var =~ /(?$opt:$_)/) { return 1 if $action eq 'any'; return 0 if $action eq 'none'; } else { return 0 if $action eq 'all'; } so you only check the regex once. It would be better if you didn't do that at all. I understand why you think you should optimise the 'any' case, but you need to check all the regexes for 'all' and 'none', so your code would be much better like: sub all { my $self = shift; return $self->count == @{$self->{reg_ref}}; } sub none { my $self = shift; return $self->count == 0; } If you leave 'any' the way you had it before, you could satisfy your evil craving for optimisation. I still believe that simplicity is better than speed, so I would write: sub any { my $self = shift; return $self->count > 0; } (Actually, I would probably write sub any { $_[0]->count > 0 } ) > > Alternatively, you might want to get rid of the lexical variables and > > use a hash slice to throw the args into $self before checking. > *blink* think i get what you mean... You have: my ($var, $reg_ref, $opt) = @_; ... my $self = { var => $var, reg_ref => $reg_ref, opt => $opt, which => undef }; bless $self, $class; return $self; You could have: my $self = bless {}, $class; @self{qw/var reg_ref opt/) = @_; ... return $self; This is not an optimisation: it may be faster or slower depening on the omitted code. > > A map would be better than a foreach + push combo; the main point of map > > is to replace foreach + push combos. > fair does... will look into it. This made a big improvement, I think. Now that you've done that, you should use 'grep' instead. Change: unless(defined($self->{'which'})){ @matching = map { $var =~ /(?$opt:$_)/ ? $_ : (); } @$ref; $self->{'which'} = \@matching; } into: $self->{which} ||= [ grep $var =~ /(?$opt:$_)/, @$ref ]; Have fun! -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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En ce jour du Thu, 28 Aug 2003 10:59:48 +0100, Tony Bowden parlait ainsi : > On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 03:01:04PM -0700, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > FWIW, a good sponsorship pitch to a local company is "INTERNATIONAL > > RECOGNITION!". 300-400 net savvy folks from around the world who love to > > voice their opinions about anything and everything will be coming to > > Belfast and drinking *your* coffee. You can't pitch it that way to Coke. > This is of next to no value to a local company unless they have some > degree of international distribution ... I just want to mention that our first sponsor which , in the end , turned out to be one of our _major_ sponsor (he gave the same range of money as our room sponsors like Fotango ...) was just the bookseller next door (which is devoted to computer science books and especially open source ones but still , it is really a small bookstore) . So local sponsor can of help if you speak nicely to them ... :) David, passing by ... -- David 'lacravate' lacravate@mongueurs.net tresorier@mongueurs.net Perl en France http://www.mongueurs.net From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Aug 28 16:48:16 2003 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Next Month's Meeting In-Reply-To: <3F4E25EE.36579668@guideguide.com> References: <20030828152815.GA5681@soto.kasei.com> <3F4E25EE.36579668@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20030828214816.GG24242@labac.net> On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:55:27PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > If only I'd know about this earlier! I'd made sure to be there. > > Give me two of those flat ones and a couple of packets of gravel. Are there any _women_ here? m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From bazza at bazza.com Fri Aug 29 04:10:33 2003 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: Next Month's Meeting In-Reply-To: <20030828214816.GG24242@labac.net> References: <20030828152815.GA5681@soto.kasei.com> <3F4E25EE.36579668@guideguide.com> <20030828214816.GG24242@labac.net> Message-ID: <1062148233.1114.2.camel@cancer> On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 22:48, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Aug 28, 2003 at 04:55:27PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > > If only I'd know about this earlier! I'd made sure to be there. > > Give me two of those flat ones and a couple of packets of gravel. > Are there any _women_ here? can I have one of those pointy ones mum? I mean, dad? - - -- ---- -------------------------------------------------- --- -- - - Barry Hughes http://bazza.com/ "If you want to travel around the world and be invited to speak at a lot of different places, just write a Unix operating system." (By Linus Torvalds) - - -- ---- -------------------------------------------------- --- -- - - From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Aug 29 10:00:55 2003 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:55:15 2004 Subject: [Job] Web developer Message-ID: <20030829150054.GB27514@futureless.org> If you consider yourself a web developer, please drop me an email (possibly with a CV attached) and state whether you are interested in full time or freelance work (either may be available). 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