From karen at martian.org Wed May 1 11:12:47 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Reuven Lerner Message-ID: <20020501161247.GA8503@soto.kasei.com> Hello, I have been talking to Momentum about the possibility of having Reuven Lerner speak in Belfast. Momentum tried to bring him over earlier this year but didn't get a very good response and had to postpone the event. They have contacted me to see if it would be possible to organise another event. The problem with the last event seemed to be that it cost 185 pounds plus vat. If I can enough interest in the event we will be able to cut the price down to less than a quater of that. Could anyone who would be interested in hearing Reuven please let me know. If there is enough interest I speak to Momentum and see what we can organise. For those who are interested here is some bio information on Reuven. Reuven is a consultant, author, and lecturer who specializes in open-source technologies for Web/database applications. Since 1995, Reuven has been an independent consultant, helping organizations in North America, Europe, and Israel design and implement Web/database systems using open-source software. Among his clients are Time Warner, CheckPoint, Compugen, and Zend. He has lectured to technical and non-technical audiences on three continents, including two "Geek Cruises." Reuven writes a popular monthly column on Web/database technologies for Linux Journal, and recently completed "Core Perl" via Prentice Hall. He is currently working on a second book that teaches CTOs how to think about Web application development,including a comparison of the most popular open-source Web application frameworks. Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed May 1 11:29:31 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Reuven Lerner In-Reply-To: <20020501161247.GA8503@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:12:47PM +0100 References: <20020501161247.GA8503@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020501172931.J16469@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:12:47PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > Hello, > > I have been talking to Momentum about the possibility of having Reuven > Lerner speak in Belfast. Momentum tried to bring him over earlier this > year but didn't get a very good response and had to postpone the event. > They have contacted me to see if it would be possible to organise > another event. The problem with the last event seemed to be that it > cost 185 pounds plus vat. If I can enough interest in the event we will > be able to cut the price down to less than a quater of that. Could > anyone who would be interested in hearing Reuven please let me know. If > there is enough interest I speak to Momentum and see what we can > organise. I would go, if I can wangle it out of my employers. Oh, hang on... m. -- What the hammer? what the chain? In what furnace was thy brain? What the anvil? what dread grasp Dare its deadly terrors clasp? From duggie at ninet.co.uk Wed May 1 12:01:56 2002 From: duggie at ninet.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Reuven Lerner In-Reply-To: <20020501172931.J16469@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:29:31PM +0100 References: <20020501161247.GA8503@soto.kasei.com> <20020501172931.J16469@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020501180156.A24433@blackstar.co.uk> On (01/05/02 17:29), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 05:12:47PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > I have been talking to Momentum about the possibility of having Reuven > > Lerner speak in Belfast. Momentum tried to bring him over earlier this > > year but didn't get a very good response and had to postpone the event. > > They have contacted me to see if it would be possible to organise > > another event. The problem with the last event seemed to be that it > > cost 185 pounds plus vat. If I can enough interest in the event we will > > be able to cut the price down to less than a quater of that. Could > > anyone who would be interested in hearing Reuven please let me know. If > > there is enough interest I speak to Momentum and see what we can > > organise. > > I would go, if I can wangle it out of my employers. Oh, hang on... > > m. Would there be Guinness? Thanks Duggie From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed May 1 12:22:45 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: More Golf Message-ID: <20020501182245.B24534@futureless.org> Time left in tournament: 6 days, 6 hours, 35 minutes, 39 seconds Find it here: http://perlgolf.sourceforge.net/TPR/0/3/ You can submit as a team now too... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Do more PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Mark can do en_gibberish. Basically, anything in http://search.cpan.org/doc/SBURKE/I18N-LangTags-0.27/lib/I18N/LangTags/List.pm which is not already in http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/Apache_MP3_files/MP3/L10N/ The lexicons are very small, only about 40 simple phrases. http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/fr.pm is the template. Compare to http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/a3_dir.html http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/a3_help.html http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/a3en.gif and http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/a3en_help.gif Send lexicons and questions to sburke@cpan.org. Thanks. [1] I couldn't find any PM group in Wales to ask, figure there might be some floating around here. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun May 5 03:54:42 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 In-Reply-To: <20020505062613.GB11591@blackrider>; from Michael G Schwern on Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:26:13AM -0400 References: <20020505062613.GB11591@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020505095441.A17501@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:26:13AM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: > He's looking for Welsch (cy) [1] and Irish (ga). Scots (sco) and Scots > Gaelic (gd) would also be interesting. And if anyone's into historical > languages, Middle Irish (mga) and Old Irish (sga). Mark can do > en_gibberish. *bam*! What, no Ulcer-Scat? Or is that what Scots Gaelic is? And no surfer speech? Or Valley Girl? m. -- Plundering your diary, I'll steal your thoughts Ravaging your letters, unearth your plots From andy at moil.demon.co.uk Sun May 5 08:25:27 2002 From: andy at moil.demon.co.uk (Andy Ferguson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 In-Reply-To: <20020505062613.GB11591@blackrider> References: <20020505062613.GB11591@blackrider> Message-ID: <200205051425.27763.andy@moil.demon.co.uk> On Sunday 05 May 2002 7:26 am, Michael G Schwern wrote: > He's looking for Welsch (cy) [1] and Irish (ga). Scots (sco) and Scots > Gaelic (gd) would also be interesting. And if anyone's into historical > languages, Middle Irish (mga) and Old Irish (sga). Mark can do > en_gibberish. There is a group in ILUG (linux.ie) do a lot of Gaelic conversions, try there. Drew From newsletters at the-financial-news.com Sun May 5 14:24:26 2002 From: newsletters at the-financial-news.com (The Financial News) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program Message-ID: The Financial News, May 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program "...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production." More than 700 portable production systems: Bakeries, Steel Nails, Welding Electrodes, Tire Retreading, Reinforcement Bar Bending for Construction Framework, Sheeting for Roofing, Ceilings and Fa?ades, Plated Drums, Aluminum Buckets, Injected Polypropylene Housewares, Pressed Melamine Items (Glasses, Cups, Plates, Mugs, etc.), Mufflers, Construction Electrically Welded Mesh, Plastic Bags and Packaging, Mobile units of medical assistance, Sanitary Material, Hypodermic Syringes, Hemostatic Clamps, etc. Science Network has started a process of Co-investment for the installation of small Assembly plants to manufacture in series the Mini-plants of portable production on the site, region or country where they may be required. One of the most relevant features is the fact that these plants will be connected to the World Trade System (WTS) with access to more than 50 million raw materials, products and services and automatic transactions for world trade. Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion "...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta dise?ado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento est?n listas para producir." 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Una de las caracter?sticas relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional. Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor ? 2002 The Financial News. All rights reserved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020505/39f05350/attachment.htm From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Sun May 5 16:01:36 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: mental blank Message-ID: <20020505220136.B21332@tux.blackstar.co.uk> I am tired. That is my excuse. Before I start. OK, here is a thing. How do I make a web page refresh after a set period of time? Like I display an image, the after a bit of time display another one? But without the user clicking on refresh. I feel stoopid. This must be easy. Anyone? m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From bazza at bazza.com Sun May 5 16:05:23 2002 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: mental blank In-Reply-To: <20020505220136.B21332@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020505220136.B21332@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020505210523.GA7743@bazza.com> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 10:01:36PM +0100, Stray Toaster mumbled: > I am tired. That is my excuse. Before I start. > OK, here is a thing. > How do I make a web page refresh after a set period of time? Like I > display an image, the after a bit of time display another one? But > without the user clicking on refresh. > I feel stoopid. This must be easy. -- -Barry Hughes I've run DOOM more in the last few days than I have the last few months. I just love debugging ;-) (Linus Torvalds) http://bazza.com/ From any at longusername.worldonline.co.uk Sun May 5 17:23:03 2002 From: any at longusername.worldonline.co.uk (Stephen Clarke) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: mental blank References: <20020505220136.B21332@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <027d01c1f483$6ce7d3b0$c2ee403e@steve> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stray Toaster" To: Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2002 10:01 PM Subject: mental blank > How do I make a web page refresh after a set period of time? Like I > display an image, the after a bit of time display another one? But > without the user clicking on refresh. > Hi, Besides the HTML meta tag, you can also do it in the HTTP headers. In CGI.pm that would be, for example, header(-refresh=>'2; URL=http://tux.blackstar.co.uk'); This will generate the following headers. refresh: 2; URL=http://tux.blackstar.co.uk Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 These examples will refresh every 2 seconds. I don't know how you would change the image, but how about keeping a running count in a cookie and sending back the corresponding image file? Just my $0.02. -- Best,sc From swm at swmcc.com Sun May 5 17:36:31 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: mental blank In-Reply-To: <20020505220136.B21332@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Sun, May 05, 2002 at 10:01:36PM +0100 References: <20020505220136.B21332@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020505233631.B27284@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 10:01:36PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > I am tired. That is my excuse. Before I start. > > OK, here is a thing. > > How do I make a web page refresh after a set period of time? Like I > display an image, the after a bit of time display another one? But > without the user clicking on refresh. > > I feel stoopid. This must be easy. > > Anyone? use CGI; my $q = CGI->new(); print $q->header(-refresh=>30); Cheers, -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com Comic Book Guy: Worst. Episode. Ever. From §AĴO§_¤ Tue May 7 18:10:21 2002 From: §AĴO§_¤ (§AĴO§_¤) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: =?big5?Q?=A7A=ACO=A7_=A4]=A6=B3=A4=DF=B7Q=A7=EF=C5=DC?= Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative From ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk Wed May 8 09:09:13 2002 From: ab.gallagher at qub.ac.uk (Andrew Gallagher) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 In-Reply-To: <20020505095441.A17501@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:54:42AM +0100 References: <20020505062613.GB11591@blackrider> <20020505095441.A17501@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020508150912.G20168@wolverine.am.qub.ac.uk> On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 09:54:42AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Sun, May 05, 2002 at 02:26:13AM -0400, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > He's looking for Welsch (cy) [1] and Irish (ga). Scots (sco) and Scots > > Gaelic (gd) would also be interesting. And if anyone's into historical > > languages, Middle Irish (mga) and Old Irish (sga). Mark can do > > en_gibberish. > > *bam*! > > What, no Ulcer-Scat? Or is that what Scots Gaelic is? No, Scots Gaelic is Irish without the capitals in the middle of words. ;-) -- | Andrew Gallagher | | Computer Support Asst., Dept. of Applied Maths and Theoretical | | Physics, Queen's University of Belfast, BT7 1NN, N. Ireland | | andrewgallagher.tripod.com | web.am.qub.ac.uk/~ab.gallagher/pubkey | From karen at kasei.com Wed May 8 09:30:45 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Next week's meeting Message-ID: <20020508143045.GC31926@soto.kasei.com> Hello, This is a final call for lightning talks! Anyone else who wants to present a 7 minute talk please let me know as soon as possible. I'll get in touch off-list with the people who have already told me that they planned to speak. The meeting will take place at 7pm on Monday 13th May at the Drop-in centre at the YMCA in Belfast. All the best, Karen From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Wed May 8 09:38:09 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 Message-ID: Michael said: > As you may or may not know, Sean Burke has internationalized > Apache::MP3 > http://members.spinn.net/~sburke/a3shots/a3_dir.html > and is looking around for fluent translators. He's already > got Catalan, > English, French, German, Spanish, Croatian, Klingon, > Icelandic, Japanese, > Malay, Norwegian Bokmaal, Brazilian Portuguese, Swedish, > Simplified Chinese > and Traditional Chinese. > > He's looking for Welsch (cy) [1] and Irish (ga). Scots (sco) > and Scots > Gaelic (gd) would also be interesting. And if anyone's into > historical > languages, Middle Irish (mga) and Old Irish (sga). Mark can do > en_gibberish. I just have to ask one wee question here, I don't want to seem rude, and i can understand somebody wanting to be thorough, but it strikes me that if somebody has an archaic, minority language as their native tongue, then if they've bothered to learn anything about perl or any programming language for that matter - wouldn't there be a good chance they've gone to the bother of learning something like english first? As i say, no offence to anyone, big ups for wanting to do it - it just strikes me as kinda odd. Cheers Pete >[1] I couldn't find any PM group in Wales to ask, figure there might be some >floating around here. >-- >Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ >Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One From schwern at pobox.com Wed May 8 09:59:30 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (schwern@pobox.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 In-Reply-To: ; from Peter.McEvoy@Barcouncil-ni.org.uk on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:38:09PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020508105929.B24864@magnonel.guild.net> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 03:38:09PM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > He's looking for Welsch (cy) [1] and Irish (ga). Scots (sco) > > and Scots > > Gaelic (gd) would also be interesting. And if anyone's into > > historical > > languages, Middle Irish (mga) and Old Irish (sga). Mark can do > > en_gibberish. > > I just have to ask one wee question here, I don't want to seem rude, and i > can understand somebody wanting to be thorough, but it strikes me that if > somebody has an archaic, minority language as their native tongue, then if > they've bothered to learn anything about perl or any programming language > for that matter - wouldn't there be a good chance they've gone to the bother > of learning something like english first? As i say, no offence to anyone, > big ups for wanting to do it - it just strikes me as kinda odd. I don't think they translated Apache::MP3 into Klingon for the sake of the native speakers. -- Michael G Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Wed May 8 10:14:16 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 Message-ID: > > I just have to ask one wee question here, I don't want to > seem rude, and i > > can understand somebody wanting to be thorough, but it > strikes me that if > > somebody has an archaic, minority language as their native > tongue, then if > > they've bothered to learn anything about perl or any > programming language > > for that matter - wouldn't there be a good chance they've > gone to the bother > > of learning something like english first? As i say, no > offence to anyone, > > big ups for wanting to do it - it just strikes me as kinda odd. > > I don't think they translated Apache::MP3 into Klingon for the sake of > the native speakers. Aye, true enough - but i can see the geek value in doing that, what with star trek and Damien Conways thing 'n all, i just don't see that the same rules apply for obselete languages as do for made up, science fiction languages. But hey - maybe thats just me. Pete From schwern at pobox.com Wed May 8 10:36:02 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (schwern@pobox.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 In-Reply-To: ; from Peter.McEvoy@barcouncil-ni.org.uk on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 04:14:16PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020508113602.D24864@magnonel.guild.net> On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 04:14:16PM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > I don't think they translated Apache::MP3 into Klingon for the sake of > > the native speakers. > > Aye, true enough - but i can see the geek value in doing that, what with > star trek and Damien Conways thing 'n all, i just don't see that the same > rules apply for obselete languages as do for made up, science fiction > languages. > But hey - maybe thats just me. Obsolete languages like, ohhhh lemme think... Latin? ;) Take it as an interesting linguistical exercise, or as big intellectual circle jerk. People like to play with languages. Seen any interesting JAPHs lately? -- Michael G Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Wed May 8 11:01:23 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 Message-ID: > Obsolete languages like, ohhhh lemme think... Latin? ;) Shwern - 2 Pete - 0 > > Take it as an interesting linguistical exercise, or as big > intellectual circle jerk. People like to play with languages. Whats a circle jerk? I seem to remember something about a 6 ma.. ohhh right. > > Seen any interesting JAPHs lately? Thats a negative captain. Cheers Pete > > > -- > Michael G Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Wed May 8 11:09:55 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Fluent Irish, Welsch & Scots speakers needed for Apache::MP3 In-Reply-To: ; from Peter.McEvoy@barcouncil-ni.org.uk on Wed, May 08, 2002 at 04:14:16PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020508170955.A9371@blackstar.co.uk> On (08/05/02 16:14), Peter McEvoy wrote: > Aye, true enough - but i can see the geek value in doing that, what with > star trek and Damien Conways thing 'n all, i just don't see that the same > rules apply for obselete languages as do for made up, science fiction > languages. > But hey - maybe thats just me. > > Pete I'm sure anyone in a position to be in Wales.pm/Cymru.pm would argue against their native language being called 'obsolete'. It's actually making a revival, if the census figures are to be believed. In Wales, many people who speak Welsh fluently would prefer to receive documentation and/or training in their native tongue, even 'though they can speak fluent English.[0] So it could be perceived as a worthwhile exercise. How freaky is that?! Thanks Duggie [0] An observation I made whilst living there for four years. From paul.dundas at btinternet.com Wed May 8 16:27:43 2002 From: paul.dundas at btinternet.com (Paul Dundas) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Next week's meeting References: <20020508143045.GC31926@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3CD9984F.2020706@btinternet.com> Is that the YMCA in the *centre* of Belfast? Paul Karen Pauley wrote: >Anyone else who wants to present a 7 minute talk please let me know as >soon as possible. I'll get in touch off-list with the people who have >already told me that they planned to speak. > >The meeting will take place at 7pm on Monday 13th May at the Drop-in >centre at the YMCA in Belfast. > > -- Paul D ( paul.dundas@btinternet.com) "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff? From karen at kasei.com Wed May 8 16:43:22 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Next week's meeting In-Reply-To: <3CD9984F.2020706@btinternet.com> References: <20020508143045.GC31926@soto.kasei.com> <3CD9984F.2020706@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20020508214322.GB6479@soto.kasei.com> On Wed May 8 22:27:43 2002, Paul Dundas wrote: > Is that the YMCA in the *centre* of Belfast? > Yup, it's the City of Belfast YMCA, 12 Wellington Place - just up the street from the City Hall. Karen From russell-blug at futureless.org Sat May 11 09:16:29 2002 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: social meeting Message-ID: <20020511151629.A5510@futureless.org> Would anyone be interested in going out for a social evening? I thought it might be nice if we went bowling at the Belfast Sportsbowl. This way, the drinkers and non-drinkers can be in the same place socialising and, errr, well, that's as far ahead as I though. Anyone got any ideas for where we should go or what we should do? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Combine steps PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Well, the Superbowl bit was anyway, and you went and stole it for BPM :) From russell-blug at futureless.org Sat May 11 13:16:03 2002 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: social meeting In-Reply-To: <20020511181650.B318@dw> References: <20020511151629.A5510@futureless.org> <20020511181650.B318@dw> Message-ID: <20020511191603.A7519@futureless.org> On Sat, May 11, 2002 at 06:16:50PM +0100, Dave Wilson wrote: > What a great idea... wait! That was MY idea! Well, the Superbowl bit was I don't remember this being your idea. Multiple discoveries, and all that. > anyway, and you went and stole it for BPM :) Check the headers. -- Russell Matbouli | Jam your brain with broken heros russell@futureless.org | Love your masks and adore your failure PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Are we planning Q&A after the lightening talks? Just curious, as that means I will have to think a bit harder.... m. -- Sharon: Do you type all those wee lines after your mail messages in everytime? Marc: Well, y'sae I have in my muttrc... Claire: Don't go there. Therein lies geekdom. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From perl.belfast at kasei.com Mon May 13 07:14:36 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet In-Reply-To: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020513121436.GJ20323@soto.kasei.com> On Mon May 13 12:03:17 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > Are we planning Q&A after the lightening talks? No, but it will probably happen anyway. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 220 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020513/d5c0cbfa/attachment.bin From andrew at rivendale.net Mon May 13 07:43:53 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet In-Reply-To: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020513124353.GF25099@rivendale.net> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 12:03:17PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > Hey people. > > There is a meeting tonight. Some people are speaking. Some people better > get their talk done. (OVER LUNCH, I hasten to add, I will write it OVER > LUNCH.) > > Are we planning Q&A after the lightening talks? > > Just curious, as that means I will have to think a bit harder.... Are we going to have access to a web browser? If not i won't bother doing the 2 or three slides I was going to do up. andrew -- Sagittarius: (Nov. 22 - Dec. 21) You will spend the next few days in the company of people who firmly believe that you hate figure skating because of your lack of ability at it. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From jasper at guideguide.com Mon May 13 07:45:49 2002 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <3CDFB57D.D041989D@guideguide.com> Stray Toaster wrote: > > Hey people. > > There is a meeting tonight. Some people are speaking. Some people better > get their talk done. (OVER LUNCH, I hasten to add, I will write it OVER > LUNCH.) > > Are we planning Q&A after the lightening talks? Shurely 'enlightening'? Jasper -- package Jasp;sub p{p->c.Another->p."\n"} package Another;sub p{p ->c.Perl->p}package main;print Jasp->p;package Hacker;sub p{p->c }package Perl;sub p{p->c.Hacker->p}package p;sub c{caller().' '} From andrew at rivendale.net Mon May 13 07:51:24 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet In-Reply-To: <3CDFB57D.D041989D@guideguide.com> References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <3CDFB57D.D041989D@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20020513125124.GH25099@rivendale.net> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:45:49PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > Stray Toaster wrote: > > > > Hey people. > > > > There is a meeting tonight. Some people are speaking. Some people better > > get their talk done. (OVER LUNCH, I hasten to add, I will write it OVER > > LUNCH.) > > > > Are we planning Q&A after the lightening talks? > > Shurely 'enlightening'? No, tonight's theme is losing weight with perl. "portly programers become pork free!" (8% of programmers who tried our miracle formula lost POUNDS!!! you too can lose POUNDS!!! send GBP 50.00 in a plain brown envelope and we'll tell you the secret of losing POUNDS[0] andrew [0] A whloe fifty of them -- Cancer: (June 22--July 22) Your shy and retiring temperament does not preclude your running down the street naked and on fire next Thursday. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon May 13 07:55:29 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet In-Reply-To: <3CDFB57D.D041989D@guideguide.com>; from Jasper McCrea on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:45:49PM +0100 References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <3CDFB57D.D041989D@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20020513135529.A29766@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:45:49PM +0100, Jasper McCrea wrote: > Stray Toaster wrote: > > > > Hey people. > > > > There is a meeting tonight. Some people are speaking. Some people better > > get their talk done. (OVER LUNCH, I hasten to add, I will write it OVER > > LUNCH.) > > > > Are we planning Q&A after the lightening talks? > > Shurely 'enlightening'? not, as I am all blackboxed now! bwhahahah, hahaha, hahahah. *cough* sorry. m. -- It is symbolic of our struggle against oppression Symbolic of his struggle against reality more like -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Mon May 13 08:11:27 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet In-Reply-To: <20020513124353.GF25099@rivendale.net> References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020513124353.GF25099@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020513131126.GA61634@deeden.co.uk> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 01:43:53PM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Are we going to have access to a web browser? If not i won't bother > doing the 2 or three slides I was going to do up. A very good question. If we don't I'll have to get printing fairly soon :( Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Supermodel! Do you mean superficial? From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon May 13 08:18:33 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: tonight's meet In-Reply-To: <20020513131126.GA61634@deeden.co.uk>; from Steve Rushe on Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:11:27AM -0400 References: <20020513120317.K27743@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020513124353.GF25099@rivendale.net> <20020513131126.GA61634@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020513141833.E29766@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, May 13, 2002 at 09:11:27AM -0400, Steve Rushe wrote: > > A very good question. If we don't I'll have to get printing fairly soon :( well now, it isn't as if you are printing these out at home, now is it? Or is it? If it is, I would recommend you walk into the office first and print the stuff off there. Not that I really recommend fleecing your employers for stationary, oh no, that would be immoral. I think. m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon May 13 15:48:54 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: my talk Message-ID: <20020513214854.A7100@tux.blackstar.co.uk> For those that missed it, the text of my talk can be found at http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk/perl/simplemodules.html And for those who did hear it, they may note that the text bears next to no resemblance to what I said. m. -- My money don't jingle --said by me to Jane Doe before I realised it-- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Tue May 14 05:09:26 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Lightning talk Message-ID: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> Hi Peeps I've updated the notes from my lightning talk to included some mention of localising the change (I mentioned this but it wasn't in last nights notes). http://www.rivendale.net/talks/20020513/index.html andrew -- Taurus: (April. 20--May 20) Due to an odd arrangement of the constellations, you will be born the oldest son of Thomas Fludd, Treasurer of War to Queen Elizabeth, later this week. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Tue May 14 05:24:06 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit talk Message-ID: <20020514102405.GA75803@deeden.co.uk> The stuff from my talk is at http://www.deeden.co.uk/talks/mail_audit/ I'll put all of the links on the belfast.pm site later, once I have the time :( Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From andrew at rivendale.net Tue May 14 05:28:08 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Lightning talk In-Reply-To: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> References: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net> Hi All I've been reading theslides from Marc's talk. It's taught me a valuable lesson. How glad I am that I never had to read Shakespeare at school. That's gibberish that is. andrew -- Sagittarius: (Nov. 22 - Dec. 21) You will spend the next few days in the company of people who firmly believe that you hate figure skating because of your lack of ability at it. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue May 14 05:34:54 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:40 2004 Subject: Lightning talk In-Reply-To: <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net>; from Andrew Wilson on Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:28:08AM +0100 References: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020514113453.C10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:28:08AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > Hi All > > I've been reading theslides from Marc's talk. It's taught me a valuable > lesson. How glad I am that I never had to read Shakespeare at school. > That's gibberish that is. > next you will be telling me you don't like opera, listen to Radio 4 or like discussing the finer points of a good 1974 Merlot. Philistine. And the quote was relevant. m. -- I didn't have to use my AK Today was A Good Day -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue May 14 05:47:03 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Lightning talk In-Reply-To: <20020514104246.GC5243@rivendale.net>; from Andrew Wilson on Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:42:46AM +0100 References: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net> <20020514113453.C10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020514104246.GC5243@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020514114703.E10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:42:46AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > I am reasonably literate. Much more so than most people (IMO). I find > it impenetrable gibberish. What chance do "average" people have? I wasn't denegrating 'average' people, Shakespeare always made more sense to me 'live'. Nor was I denegrating your literacy. Maybe your atriculacy (if that is indeed a word), or rather, your expletiveness in everyday speech. I like Shakespeare, and I ain't really a toff. Or a toff at all. > > You know I think the vast majority of opera sucks. deja-pm, I think. m. -- All software becomes legacy as soon as it is written -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From karen at kasei.com Tue May 14 05:47:27 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Lightning talk In-Reply-To: <20020514113453.C10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net> <20020514113453.C10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020514104727.GA5403@soto.kasei.com> On Tue May 14 11:34:54 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:28:08AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Hi All > > > > I've been reading theslides from Marc's talk. It's taught me a valuable > > lesson. How glad I am that I never had to read Shakespeare at school. > > That's gibberish that is. > > > > next you will be telling me you don't like opera, listen to Radio 4 or > like discussing the finer points of a good 1974 Merlot. and poetry and french films ;) Karen From andrew at rivendale.net Tue May 14 05:59:20 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Lightning talk In-Reply-To: <20020514104727.GA5403@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net> <20020514113453.C10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020514104727.GA5403@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020514105920.GE5243@rivendale.net> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:47:27AM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > On Tue May 14 11:34:54 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > > next you will be telling me you don't like opera, listen to Radio 4 or > > like discussing the finer points of a good 1974 Merlot. > > and poetry and french films ;) Oi! steady on. Marc knows I listen to Radio 4. I've never had a glass of 1974 Merlot (anytime you want to buy me a glass I'll be happy to discuss it with you ;-) As for french cinema. French people couldn't make films if you set their arse on fire and told them it wouldn't be put out until they made a decent film. andrew -- Libra: (Sept. 23 - Oct. 23) After his untimely death, all those mean things you said about Dave will come back to haunt you. As will Dave himself. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From Andrew.Wilson at trw.com Tue May 14 06:00:38 2002 From: Andrew.Wilson at trw.com (Wilson, Andrew (Belfast)) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: cool uris Message-ID: <20020514110038.GF5243@rivendale.net> Hi This is that page I mentioned last night about unchanging URIs http://www.w3.org/Provider/Style/URI.html andrew -- Sagittarius: (Nov. 22--Dec. 21) The day of judgment is finally upon you, but you may still avoid the wrath of the universe: Skip the lame excuses and just pay the stupid speeding ticket. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue May 14 06:07:27 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: XML. tcah. Message-ID: <20020514120727.H10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> http://xmlsucks.org/but_you_have_to_use_it_anyway/ m. -- My money don't jingle --said by me to Jane Doe before I realised it-- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Tue May 14 06:13:42 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: XML. tcah. In-Reply-To: <20020514120727.H10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020514120727.H10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020514111342.GG5243@rivendale.net> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 12:07:27PM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > http://xmlsucks.org/but_you_have_to_use_it_anyway/ Looks like we slashdotted it. andrew -- Scorpio: (Oct. 24--Nov. 21) Although you believe that Grandma's hands are now guiding you from Heaven, she's actually trying to get the undertaker's stitches out of her eyes with her left while scratching feebly at the coffin lid with her right. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From Glenn.Russell at spirent.com Tue May 14 07:07:45 2002 From: Glenn.Russell at spirent.com (Russell, Glenn) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: XML. tcah. Message-ID: <1D9854D3D3E3D311A71F009027DC8A573C8A79@GOLDFINGER> I believe the "alternative bracketed notation" the author refers to in slide 7 is called FCIF. Thought you'd like to know... -----Original Message----- From: Stray Toaster [mailto:mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk] Sent: 14 May 2002 12:07 To: belfast-pm@pm.org; blug@lists.blackstar.co.uk Subject: XML. tcah. http://xmlsucks.org/but_you_have_to_use_it_anyway/ m. -- My money don't jingle --said by me to Jane Doe before I realised it-- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Tue May 14 09:56:50 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: French Cinema was [Re: Lightning talk] In-Reply-To: <20020514105920.GE5243@rivendale.net> References: <20020514100926.GA5108@rivendale.net> <20020514102808.GA5243@rivendale.net> <20020514113453.C10525@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020514104727.GA5403@soto.kasei.com> <20020514105920.GE5243@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020514145650.GA10101@rivendale.net> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:59:20AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > As for french cinema. French people couldn't make films if you set > their arse on fire and told them it wouldn't be put out until they made > a decent film. I finally got around to articulating this properly: http://www.rivendale.net/blog/2002_05_12_blog_index.html#76534706 Apologies for my "arse on fire comment"[0]. andrew [0] For anyone who may have been offended. -- Virgo: (Aug. 23--Sept. 22) You know, Virgo has to admit it -- you're just such a nutty wack-meister that the stars have no gosh-darned idea what you're going to do next! (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Tue May 14 10:22:59 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: French Cinema was [Re: Lightning talk] Message-ID: > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:59:20AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > As for french cinema. French people couldn't make films if you set > > their arse on fire and told them it wouldn't be put out > until they made > > a decent film. > > I finally got around to articulating this properly: > > http://www.rivendale.net/blog/2002_05_12_blog_index.html#76534706 > > Apologies for my "arse on fire comment"[0]. I considered replying to this earlier, but, for some reason, thought better of it. Read your blog, i never thought that much of Luc Besson, but to rubbish the whole of French cinema is, imo, doltish. What about La Jetee? which the excellent 12 monkeys is based on, or, and i can admit this wouldn't have universal appeal but being heavily into hip hop i loved it, La Heine? Doberman? I recently watched Amelie - bloody fantastic film, dragged on a bit, but great non the less. Don't get me wrong, i'm not defending the french, bloody arrogant shower of garlic eating, onion wearing wankers for the most part, but they can have their moments. Oh, and i think you should keep your eyes open for the up and coming film "Baise Moi" - me thinks you might like that ;) Cheers Pete > > andrew > [0] For anyone who may have been offended. > -- > Virgo: (Aug. 23--Sept. 22) > You know, Virgo has to admit it -- you're just such a nutty > wack-meister that the stars have no gosh-darned idea what you're going > to do next! > (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. > From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue May 14 10:29:42 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: French Cinema was [Re: Lightning talk] In-Reply-To: ; from Peter McEvoy on Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:22:59PM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020514162942.D11584@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 04:22:59PM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 11:59:20AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > As for french cinema. French people couldn't make films if you set > > > their arse on fire and told them it wouldn't be put out > > until they made > > > a decent film. http://us.imdb.com/Title?0090563 hubba, hubba. m. -- Charlotte-Ann: *wail* Val: What's up, wee girl? Charlotte-Ann: I have just spilt juice on my Penelope Busstop teeshirt! -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed May 15 04:56:35 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: more lightning Message-ID: <20020515105635.A677@tux.blackstar.co.uk> So, we have had a link to Andrew's talk, mine, and Steve's (non-lightning) one. But where oh where is the link to Russell's or Marty's? eh? m. -- Are you still here? -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu May 16 06:57:07 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: My rubbish talk (was: Re: more lightning) In-Reply-To: <20020515105635.A677@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020515105635.A677@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020516125707.A32494@futureless.org> On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 10:56:35AM +0100, Stray Toaster wrote: > But where oh where is the link to Russell's or Marty's? eh? I am considering redoing mine the next time we have lightening talks. Mine went terribly, mostly because I had an exam earlier in the day and didn't prepare a talk very well (I had 1 page of notes on it, which took about 1 min to go through). (That's the excuse for there not being a link to my talk.) Anyway, if I'm allowed to do another lightening talk, it'd have a bit more of a technical slant than just waffling about why you might want to use my project. When are the next lightning talks? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Combine steps PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm organising stuff with Damian at the moment so he will probably be our speaker in September. Karen From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu May 16 08:52:10 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: My rubbish talk (was: Re: more lightning) In-Reply-To: <20020516132744.GD32569@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Thu, May 16, 2002 at 02:27:44PM +0100 References: <20020515105635.A677@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020516125707.A32494@futureless.org> <20020516132744.GD32569@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020516145210.J13468@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, May 16, 2002 at 02:27:44PM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > I'm not sure. I assumed from previous posts that we were planning on > having a social gathering next month. Do the meetings still continue on > during the summer (during July and August)? Summer holidays! Yay! So we skip the um, cultural highlights of the burning season then? > > I'm organising stuff with Damian at the moment so he will probably be > our speaker in September. Yay! m. -- You may be here tomorrow But your dreams may not -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From scott at kungfuftr.com Thu May 16 14:23:59 2002 From: scott at kungfuftr.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Ginger Tree here we come... In-Reply-To: <20011209143715.A15158@soto.kasei.com> References: <20011204131516.B31588@soto.kasei.com> <20011204154036.C12427@srcf.ucam.org> <20011209043816.A26863@srcf.ucam.org> <20011209143715.A15158@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020516192359.GA8092@aslan.unite.net> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 02:37:15PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > I'm sure we'll be able to come up with something .... > You're up around Four Winds somewhere, aren't you? I think i've missed alot of stuff on the list for some odd reason.... neverminds! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- From dmw at punkass.com Thu May 16 16:29:00 2002 From: dmw at punkass.com (Dave Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Ginger Tree here we come... In-Reply-To: <20011209143715.A15158@soto.kasei.com> References: <20011204131516.B31588@soto.kasei.com> <20011204154036.C12427@srcf.ucam.org> <20011209043816.A26863@srcf.ucam.org> <20011209143715.A15158@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020516222900.C265@dw> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 02:37:15PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 04:38:16AM +0000, Liyang Hu wrote: > > Right, this is my last attempt to beg for help: is there /anyone/ > > in south-ish Belfast willing to give me a lift on Monday evening? > > Please? > I'm sure we'll be able to come up with something .... > You're up around Four Winds somewhere, aren't you? Date: Sun, 9 Dec 2001 14:37:15 +0000 WTH? Tony, did someone finally fix your mailspool for you? :) -dw From derek.wilson at am.qub.ac.uk Thu May 16 17:18:22 2002 From: derek.wilson at am.qub.ac.uk (Derek Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Ginger Tree here we come... In-Reply-To: <20011209143715.A15158@soto.kasei.com>; from tony@kasei.com on Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 02:37:15PM +0000 References: <20011204131516.B31588@soto.kasei.com> <20011204154036.C12427@srcf.ucam.org> <20011209043816.A26863@srcf.ucam.org> <20011209143715.A15158@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020516231822.N6329@hornet.am.qub.ac.uk> On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 02:37:15PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Sun, Dec 09, 2001 at 04:38:16AM +0000, Liyang Hu wrote: > > Right, this is my last attempt to beg for help: is there /anyone/ > > in south-ish Belfast willing to give me a lift on Monday evening? > > Please? > > I'm sure we'll be able to come up with something .... > > You're up around Four Winds somewhere, aren't you? > > Tony > Sorry about this. I was playing with procmail around this time. A few mails got stuck in my mail spool from back then. I discovered them this evening and injected them into the mail queue, forgetting that this mail would go to the list. Once again sorry for all the confusion, Derek. From t.jenson at enternet.co.nz Fri May 17 07:57:11 2002 From: t.jenson at enternet.co.nz (Business World) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Best Business Opportunity of the Decade! Message-ID: <00000db04533$00002568$00000b8d@cismrelais.univ-lyon1.fr> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020516/cbb022bd/attachment.htm From newsletters at the-financial-news.com Fri May 17 09:36:46 2002 From: newsletters at the-financial-news.com (The Financial News) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program Message-ID: The Financial News, May 2002 Production Mini-plants in mobile containers. Co-investment Program "...Science Network will supply to countries and developing regions the technology and the necessary support for the production in series of Mini-plants in mobile containers (40-foot). The Mini-plant system is designed in such a way that all the production machinery is fixed on the platform of the container, with all wiring, piping, and installation parts; that is to say, they are fully equipped... and the mini-plant is ready for production." 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Because of financial reasons, involving cost and social impact, the right thing to do is to set up assembly plants in the same countries and regions, using local resources (labor, some equipment, etc.) For more information: Mini-plants in mobile containers By Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles. Programa de Co-inversion "...Science Network suministrara a paises y regiones en vias de desarrollo la tecnologia y el apoyo necesario para la fabricacion en serie de Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles (40-foot). El sistema de mini-plantas esta dise?ado de forma que todas las maquinas de produccion van instaladas fijas sobre la propia plataforma del contenedor, con el cableado, tuberias e instalaciones; es decir, completamente equipadas... y a partir de ese momento est?n listas para producir." 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Una de las caracter?sticas relevantes es el hecho de que dichas plantas quedaran conectadas al Sistema del Comercio Mundial (WTS) con acceso a mas de 50 millones de mercancias, materia primas, productos, servicios y las operaciones automaticas de comercio internacional. Resulta obvio que por razones economicas, de costes y de impacto social, lo apropiado es instalar plantas ensambladoras en los mismos paises y regiones asi como utilizar los recursos locales (mano de obra, ciertos equipamientos, etc.) Para recibir mas infromacion: Mini-plantas de produccion en contenedores moviles Steven P. Leibacher, The Financial News, Editor ------------------------------------------------------------------------- If you received this in error or would like to be removed from our list, please return us indicating: remove or un-subscribe in 'subject' field, Thanks. Editor ? 2002 The Financial News. All rights reserved. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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GIMP Pocket Reference http://birmingham.pm.org/docs/reviews/gimp.html ================================================ YOUR NEWS ================================================ - UKUUG - LINUX Developers' Conference & Tutorial 4th July (Tutorials) 5th - 7th July (Conference), Bristol, UK http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2002 November 15-17 - 2nd European BSD Conference Hotel Amsterdam a/d Amstel, The Netherlands http://www.eurobsdcon2002.org/ Anything else you would like me to announce? # # # Josette Garcia PR/Marketing Manager O'Reilly UK Limited 4 Castle Street Farnham GU9 7HS UK Tel: +44 (0)1252 711776 Fax: +44 (0)1252 734211 www.oreilly.co.uk From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Wed May 29 09:44:34 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting Message-ID: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> Right people The next meeting is shceduled for the 10th of June, a week on Monday. There was talk of making each alternate month a social meeting, so is that still on? If so, where do people want to go? Roast again, or does anyone have any other ideas. Discuss. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed May 29 10:00:22 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk>; from Steve Rushe on Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:44:34AM -0400 References: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:44:34AM -0400, Steve Rushe wrote: > Right people > > The next meeting is shceduled for the 10th of June, a week on Monday. > There was talk of making each alternate month a social meeting, so is > that still on? If so, where do people want to go? Roast again, or does > anyone have any other ideas. > > Discuss. Everyone round my place for a barbie? :-) Do we want to *do* something, as in go bowling, dancing, drinking? Or just take over somewhere and get thrown out as we did in Roast last time? m. -- 'Yes, I have taken that porn title home' swm referring to 'The Fluffer', a gay porn title everyone else was avioding. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Wed May 29 10:28:19 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020529152819.GB14851@rivendale.net> On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:00:22PM +0100, Marc wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:44:34AM -0400, Steve Rushe wrote: > > Right people > > > > The next meeting is shceduled for the 10th of June, a week on Monday. > > There was talk of making each alternate month a social meeting, so is > > that still on? If so, where do people want to go? Roast again, or does > > anyone have any other ideas. > > > > Discuss. > > Everyone round my place for a barbie? :-) > > Do we want to *do* something, as in go bowling, dancing, drinking? Or > just take over somewhere and get thrown out as we did in Roast last > time? I liked the event at roasts and would happily go again, either to roasts or somewhere similar. A barbie might be nice, seeing as it's summer and all (allegedly). As to whether Marc's is the best location is open to debate. We probably do have enough transport to get everyone there and back again though. So not totally out of the question. andrew -- Pisces: (Feb. 19 - March 20) It's not true that all the good band names are taken. But if believing that keeps you from starting a band, great. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 04:34:38 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin Message-ID: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> Hi How many of you are using SpamAssassin? Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm the only one who cares about it? andrew -- Leo: (July 23 - Aug. 22) Remember, it's perfectly normal for your body to go through some changes while you are in the phase known as 'post - mortem deliquescence.' (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From cabal at deeden.co.uk Thu May 30 04:42:06 2002 From: cabal at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020530094206.GA49077@deeden.co.uk> > How many of you are using SpamAssassin? I am. > Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? Nope. How do you know it's doing it, btw? > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > the only one who cares about it? Looks like the former, but there is option 3: it's affecting all of us, but we don't notice. More details please, Mr. Wilson! Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Dotcom Optionaire From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 04:51:06 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530094206.GA49077@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> <20020530094206.GA49077@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020530095106.GB19759@rivendale.net> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 05:42:06AM -0400, Steve Rushe wrote: > Nope. How do you know it's doing it, btw? I saw a reply to the mail it threw away. > > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > > the only one who cares about it? > > Looks like the former, but there is option 3: it's affecting all of us, > but we don't notice. > > More details please, Mr. Wilson! Well, it's that whole can't rewrite mime messages properly thing. If there's a problem, the script just exits throwing away the mail. I'm just wondering if it's some weird interaction caused by the particular versions of modules I have installed. Either that or it's affecting everybody and nobody else has noticed. It only happens when it's trying to rewrite something it's flagged as potential spam. If it is spam that's not a problem, but if it's wrong then I don't want it throwing away the mail. andrew -- Aries: (March 21 - April 19) Those hot-shot doctors may think your colon cancer is inoperable, but this week you and your trusty Scout knife are going to prove them wrong. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 05:02:32 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin/vanishing mail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020530100232.GC19759@rivendale.net> Hi Pete You only sent this to me, I suspect you've got caught out by that reply-to not set thing. If you we're having a converstaion with Marc, it's possible you did the same thing yesterday and only replied to him, not the list. On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:53:41AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > Andrew said: > > Hi > > > > How many of you are using SpamAssassin? > > > > Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? > > > > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > > the only one who cares about it? > > I'm not using spamassassin, but there's something odd going on with the > mails on this list, for example, i sent a mail yesterday apropos the next > meet, I'm fairly sure /some/ people recieved it, by the virtue of a later > email conversation with Marc, i myself have not yet recieved it, but have > recieved, what i believe to be, all subsequent mails. > Anyone else notice anything similar? > Cheers > Pete > > I'm out of my tree right now but feel free to help yourself to a banana. > andrew -- I think everyone thinks everyone is an ass on this list. - Matt Johnston on Blug From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Thu May 30 05:08:55 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin/vanishing mail/idiot Message-ID: Andrew said: > Hi Pete > > You only sent this to me, I suspect you've got caught out by that > reply-to not set thing. If you we're having a converstaion with Marc, > it's possible you did the same thing yesterday and only > replied to him, > not the list. In my defence i was up all night making love to a beautiful woman ;) this is v embarrassing Pete > > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:53:41AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > Andrew said: > > > Hi > > > > > > How many of you are using SpamAssassin? > > > > > > Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? > > > > > > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is > it just I'm > > > the only one who cares about it? > > > > I'm not using spamassassin, but there's something odd going > on with the > > mails on this list, for example, i sent a mail yesterday > apropos the next > > meet, I'm fairly sure /some/ people recieved it, by the > virtue of a later > > email conversation with Marc, i myself have not yet > recieved it, but have > > recieved, what i believe to be, all subsequent mails. > > Anyone else notice anything similar? > > Cheers > > Pete > > > > I'm out of my tree right now but feel free to help yourself > to a banana. > > > > andrew > -- > I think everyone thinks everyone is an ass on this list. > - Matt Johnston on Blug > From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 05:14:02 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin/vanishing mail/idiot In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020530101402.GD19759@rivendale.net> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:08:55AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > Andrew said: > > Hi Pete > > > > You only sent this to me, I suspect you've got caught out by that > > reply-to not set thing. If you we're having a converstaion with Marc, > > it's possible you did the same thing yesterday and only > > replied to him, > > not the list. > > In my defence i was up all night making love to a beautiful woman ;) Ah well, that's alright then. > this is v embarrassing No need to be embarrased, I do it all the time and I know the reply-to isn't set. I constatnly find myself forward messages to the pm list that I've only replied to someone individually. I usually do it quitely and hope no-one notices :-) In fact I almost forgot to add the pm address back into this before i sent it. andrew -- Aries: (March 21 - April 19) Those hot-shot doctors may think your colon cancer is inoperable, but this week you and your trusty Scout knife are going to prove them wrong. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu May 30 05:14:39 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin/vanishing mail/idiot In-Reply-To: ; from Peter McEvoy on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:08:55AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020530111438.C32150@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:08:55AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > In my defence i was up all night making love to a beautiful woman ;) > > this is v embarrassing I am intrigued now as to what you were saying to me!! m. -- Matthew: Daddy, here are two guns.... Me: uh-huh... Matthew: ...for that man in the ballet dress. -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From karen at martian.org Thu May 30 05:19:25 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20020529152819.GB14851@rivendale.net> References: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020529152819.GB14851@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020530101925.GB20249@soto.kasei.com> On Wed May 29 16:28:19 2002, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 04:00:22PM +0100, Marc wrote: > > On Wed, May 29, 2002 at 10:44:34AM -0400, Steve Rushe wrote: > > > Right people > > > > > > > Everyone round my place for a barbie? :-) > > > > Do we want to *do* something, as in go bowling, dancing, drinking? Or > > just take over somewhere and get thrown out as we did in Roast last > > time? > > I liked the event at roasts and would happily go again, either to roasts > or somewhere similar. A barbie might be nice, seeing as it's summer and > all (allegedly). As to whether Marc's is the best location is open to > debate. We probably do have enough transport to get everyone there and > back again though. So not totally out of the question. I've convinced Tony that we should use his place for a barbie. There are really large gardens where Tony lives. Instead of everyone bringing their own food I think it might be better if people agreed on how much they'd like to spend and someone (probably me) will go and get all the food. Marty has offered to cook. By the way, for all those on multiple lists, I'm talking about the next Perl Mongers meeting. Karen From duggie at blackstar.co.uk Thu May 30 05:18:08 2002 From: duggie at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net>; from andrew@rivendale.net on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 10:34:38AM +0100 References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020530111808.A2743@blackstar.co.uk> On (30/05/02 10:34), Andrew Wilson wrote: > Hi > > How many of you are using SpamAssassin? > > Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? > > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > the only one who cares about it? > > andrew > -- > Leo: (July 23 - Aug. 22) > Remember, it's perfectly normal for your body to go through some changes > while you are in the phase known as 'post - mortem deliquescence.' > (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. Hi Andrew I'm using SpamAssassin. You speak of 'throwing away mail'. In dealing with spam (or mail which looks like spam) SpamAssassin can rewrite the message (to include a summary of it's spam scoring) and then save it in a separate folder. That's how I'm using it. Are you storing your spam messages or are you always throwing them away? I wouldn't recommend throwing them away, at least not until you're certain it is only flagging spam messages. I find it good to monitor them in case I would encounter a false-positive. Thanks Duggie From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Thu May 30 05:20:53 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin/vanishing mail/idiot Message-ID: Marc said: > On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:08:55AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > > > In my defence i was up all night making love to a beautiful woman ;) > > > > this is v embarrassing > > I am intrigued now as to what you were saying to me!! We were doing the petrolhead thing, talking about motorbikes, weren't we? Pete people in glass houses should grow tomatoes From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu May 30 05:26:15 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20020530101925.GB20249@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:19:25AM +0100 References: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020529152819.GB14851@rivendale.net> <20020530101925.GB20249@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020530112615.B494@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > I've convinced Tony that we should use his place for a barbie. There > are really large gardens where Tony lives. Instead of everyone bringing > their own food I think it might be better if people agreed on how much > they'd like to spend and someone (probably me) will go and get all the > food. Marty has offered to cook. I am up for this, and will offer the use of my car to take some people out there if they need it. And back into town, as I have to pass this way on my way home. Unless it isn't as far out as I imagine, then you can walk. > > By the way, for all those on multiple lists, I'm talking about the next > Perl Mongers meeting. The fools. m. -- Cover me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu May 30 05:27:04 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin/vanishing mail/idiot In-Reply-To: ; from Peter McEvoy on Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:20:53AM +0100 References: Message-ID: <20020530112704.C494@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:20:53AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > > We were doing the petrolhead thing, talking about motorbikes, weren't we? I got all those ones. Where there ones I missed? Or was it just you being and iijit and not me? :-) m. -- Someone in this town Is trying to burn the Playhouse down They want to stop the ones who want A rock to wind a string around -- Family ties : http://www.thefamilykerr.co.uk Playtime : http://www.stray-toaster.co.uk From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 05:31:01 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530111808.A2743@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> <20020530111808.A2743@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020530103101.GA21400@rivendale.net> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:18:08AM +0100, Duggie wrote: > On (30/05/02 10:34), Andrew Wilson wrote: > > How many of you are using SpamAssassin? > > > > Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? > > > > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > > the only one who cares about it? > > I'm using SpamAssassin. You speak of 'throwing away mail'. In dealing > with spam (or mail which looks like spam) SpamAssassin can rewrite the > message (to include a summary of it's spam scoring) and then save it in > a separate folder. That's how I'm using it. Are you storing your spam > messages or are you always throwing them away? I wouldn't recommend > throwing them away, at least not until you're certain it is only > flagging spam messages. I find it good to monitor them in case I would > encounter a false-positive. It's while it's supposed to be rewriting them that it's throwing them away. It appears to have problems rewriting MIME mail. so if it finds a MIME formatted mail that it thinks is spam, it tries to rewrite it and the script dies horribly. Yes, I am trying to keep a copy of stuff it flags, that's when it breaks. Do you keep a log file by any chance? here's a snippet from mine, the first mesage it threw away, the sencond one it delivered. 161(new): ------------------------------ new run at Mon May 27 11:51:05 2002 165(new): From: Dave Wilson 166(new): To: Belfast Linux User Group 167(new): Subject: [BLUG] E-mail leakage & this list 161(new): ------------------------------ new run at Mon May 27 11:58:36 2002 165(new): From: Dave Wilson 166(new): To: blug@lists.blackstar.co.uk 167(new): Subject: Re: [BLUG] E-mail leakage & this list 287(accept): accepting to /home/andrew/Mail/inbox/ 335(accept): Exiting with status DELIVERED = 0 161(new): ------------------------------ new run at Mon May 27 12:00:04 2002 andrew -- Libra: (Sept. 23--Oct. 23) You may be tired of your migraines, but don't worry. There's only one left to go. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 05:43:55 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20020530101925.GB20249@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020529152819.GB14851@rivendale.net> <20020530101925.GB20249@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020530104355.GC21400@rivendale.net> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:19:25AM +0100, Karen Pauley wrote: > > I liked the event at roasts and would happily go again, either to roasts > > or somewhere similar. A barbie might be nice, seeing as it's summer and > > all (allegedly). As to whether Marc's is the best location is open to > > debate. We probably do have enough transport to get everyone there and > > back again though. So not totally out of the question. > > I've convinced Tony that we should use his place for a barbie. There > are really large gardens where Tony lives. Instead of everyone bringing > their own food I think it might be better if people agreed on how much > they'd like to spend and someone (probably me) will go and get all the > food. Marty has offered to cook. Yay! (just my tuppence becasue you complain no-one responds to your belfast-pm messages anymore) andrew -- Capricorn: (Dec. 22--Jan. 19) It's really starting to look like you'll never be asked to join Split Enz. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Thu May 30 05:51:54 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: expect -> perl Message-ID: Hi, I'm currently using an expect script to pull an etrn feed, for no particular reason i'd like to reimplement this in perl, the script is as follows: #!/usr/bin/expect set timeout 1000 spawn telnet foo.bar expect { "220" { send "etrn bar.foo\n" puts "Send etrn request\n" expect { "251" { send "quit\n" puts "no mail for you\n" } "253" { send "quit\n" puts "the mo fo mail is on its way\n" } "458" { send "quit\n" puts "already queued, so we quit\n" } } } "connection refused" { send "quit\n" puts "connection was refused." } } I've had a duke on cpan and google, nothing jumped out at me, anyone care to give me a nudge in the right direction? or should i just forget this whole stupid malarky? Ta Pete I love the house next door, its right up my street From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Thu May 30 07:04:21 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: Next meeting In-Reply-To: <20020530104355.GC21400@rivendale.net> References: <20020529144434.GA71334@deeden.co.uk> <20020529160021.D20958@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020529152819.GB14851@rivendale.net> <20020530101925.GB20249@soto.kasei.com> <20020530104355.GC21400@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020530120420.GA64878@deeden.co.uk> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:43:55AM +0100, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > I've convinced Tony that we should use his place for a barbie. There > > are really large gardens where Tony lives. Instead of everyone bringing > > their own food I think it might be better if people agreed on how much > > they'd like to spend and someone (probably me) will go and get all the > > food. Marty has offered to cook. > > Yay! (just my tuppence becasue you complain no-one responds to your > belfast-pm messages anymore) It is a point though! Anyway that sounds like a great idea. Let's just hope the weather holds up! Steve --- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From andrew at rivendale.net Thu May 30 10:55:52 2002 From: andrew at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530155102.GD17906@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> <20020530155102.GD17906@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020530155552.GK23075@rivendale.net> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 04:51:02PM +0100, Marty Pauley wrote: > > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > > the only one who cares about it? > > It could be just you. > > I have used the spamc/spamd combination with no problems. > > Do you have an example of any of the emails that get thrown away? > It would be useful if we could all check. It could well be just my incompetant script. I could bounce the mail to you, but if your spam assassin is throwing it away you wouldn't know you hadn't got it. Or something. Which address would you like me to bounce it too? andrew -- Libra: (Sept. 23 - Oct. 23) After his untimely death, all those mean things you said about Dave will come back to haunt you. As will Dave himself. (c) Copyright 2002 by Onion, Inc. All rights reserved. From schwern at pobox.com Thu May 30 12:54:09 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: expect -> perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020530175409.GD14147@ool-18b93024.dyn.optonline.net> On Thu, May 30, 2002 at 11:51:54AM +0100, Peter McEvoy wrote: > I'm currently using an expect script to pull an etrn feed, for no particular > reason i'd like to reimplement this in perl, the script is as follows: > I've had a duke on cpan and google, nothing jumped out at me, anyone care to > give me a nudge in the right direction? or should i just forget this whole > stupid malarky? Crazy guess here... the Expect module? :) http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=Expect -- This sig file temporarily out of order. From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Thu May 30 10:51:02 2002 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020530155102.GD17906@soto.kasei.com> On Thu May 30 10:34:38 2002, Andrew Wilson wrote: > How many of you are using SpamAssassin? Dunno, but whoever's counting can add me. > Have any of you noticed it throwing away mail? No, but I have noticed your scripts throwing away email. > Is this throwing away mail thing only affecting me, or is it just I'm > the only one who cares about it? It could be just you. I have used the spamc/spamd combination with no problems. Do you have an example of any of the emails that get thrown away? It would be useful if we could all check. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020530/e17e2be6/attachment.bin From marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com Thu May 30 12:57:35 2002 From: marty+belfast-pm at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:41 2004 Subject: SpamAssassin In-Reply-To: <20020530095106.GB19759@rivendale.net> References: <20020530093438.GA19759@rivendale.net> <20020530094206.GA49077@deeden.co.uk> <20020530095106.GB19759@rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020530175735.GE17906@soto.kasei.com> On Thu May 30 10:51:06 2002, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Well, it's that whole can't rewrite mime messages properly thing. If > there's a problem, the script just exits throwing away the mail. I'm > just wondering if it's some weird interaction caused by the particular > versions of modules I have installed. Either that or it's affecting > everybody and nobody else has noticed. After you first mentioned this I tried spamc with a multipart message, and it worked! It added the spam info and converted the multipart into a single part. So it worked for me. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 212 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020530/c61e62a7/attachment.bin