From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 3 03:51:49 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:22 2004 Subject: mumble jumbling. Message-ID: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Hey, people. I want to take an array, and then make another out of it, albeit a jumbled up version. Now there is bound to be a nice way of doing this. Here is what I have..... #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my $jumble = sub { my @l = @_; my @s; push @s, splice @l, int rand scalar @l, 1 for (1 .. scalar @l); return @s; }; my @ary = (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 0); print "$_ " foreach @ary; print "\n\n"; print "$_ " foreach $jumble->(@ary); print "\n\n"; ick. Any better suggestions? m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From acme at astray.com Thu Jan 3 03:58:55 2002 From: acme at astray.com (Leon Brocard) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:22 2004 Subject: mumble jumbling. In-Reply-To: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020103095855.GE13134@ns0> Stray Toaster sent the following bits through the ether: > I want to take an array, and then make another out of it, albeit a > jumbled up version. Now there is bound to be a nice way of doing this. 'perldoc -q shuffle' introduces you to the nice Fisher Yates Shuffle, which in your code would be equal to: my $fisher_yates_shuffle = sub { my $array = [@_]; my $i; for ($i = @$array; --$i; ) { my $j = int rand ($i+1); @$array[$i,$j] = @$array[$j,$i]; } return @$array; }; HTH, Leon -- Leon Brocard.............................http://www.astray.com/ Nanoware...............................http://www.nanoware.org/ ... Windows Error: 002 No error, yet From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 3 04:01:30 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:22 2004 Subject: mumble jumbling. In-Reply-To: <20020103095855.GE13134@ns0>; from Leon Brocard on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:58:55AM +0000 References: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020103095855.GE13134@ns0> Message-ID: <20020103100130.F22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:58:55AM +0000, Leon Brocard wrote: > Stray Toaster sent the following bits through the ether: > > > I want to take an array, and then make another out of it, albeit a > > jumbled up version. Now there is bound to be a nice way of doing this. > > 'perldoc -q shuffle' introduces you to the nice Fisher Yates Shuffle, > which in your code would be equal to: > > my $fisher_yates_shuffle = sub { > my $array = [@_]; > my $i; > for ($i = @$array; --$i; ) { > my $j = int rand ($i+1); > @$array[$i,$j] = @$array[$j,$i]; > } > return @$array; > }; wow, ta. And reading the perldoc, I never realised the overhead that splicing would have. tcah. I thank you! m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From tony at kasei.com Thu Jan 3 04:35:02 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:22 2004 Subject: mumble jumbling. In-Reply-To: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020103103502.A28132@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:51:49AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > print "$_ " foreach @ary; > print "\n\n"; > print "$_ " foreach $jumble->(@ary); > print "\n\n"; > ick. Any better suggestions? ick indeed. Try: print "@ary\n\n"; print join(" ", $jumble->(@ary)) . "\n"; You don't even need any fancy $" trickery here, as you're using a space... Oh, you meant better suggestions for the *shuffle*?? Well, Leon can handle that for you ... Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Fri Jan 4 11:09:02 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: mumble jumbling. In-Reply-To: <20020103103502.A28132@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:35:02AM +0000 References: <20020103095149.D22036@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020103103502.A28132@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020104170902.B3829@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 10:35:02AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Thu, Jan 03, 2002 at 09:51:49AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > print "$_ " foreach @ary; > > print "\n\n"; > > print "$_ " foreach $jumble->(@ary); > > print "\n\n"; > > ick. Any better suggestions? > > ick indeed. > > Try: > > print "@ary\n\n"; > print join(" ", $jumble->(@ary)) . "\n"; > > You don't even need any fancy $" trickery here, as you're using a > space... boom boom. that was just my debugging print statements, so wasn't really what I was driving at. But hey... Now what was that Andrew said about the perl debugger? What we need is an IDE, with traceflow, register values and the like.... -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Jan 4 12:26:10 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: January's Meeting In-Reply-To: <20011228174945.I23280@soto.kasei.com> References: <20011228174945.I23280@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020104182610.A20436@futureless.org> On Fri, Dec 28, 2001 at 05:49:45PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > Are we planning on having the meeting in UTVi again or should I look for > another venue? UNITE would let us use their meeting room again but this > would only work if someone from UNITE was planning on attending the > meeting. Where and when is the meeting? If it's to be at UTVi again, I'll still need names beforehand. We need a yay or a nay as to where it's going to be, so who wants to say which venue we should use. If there are less than 10, UTVi is good enough, I think... > Are Steve and Marc going to give the talks that they had planned > for November? I hope so. It'd be a shame to let them get away so easily. The 2nd Tuesday would be... the 8th. We need to get something sorted out pretty sharpish if we're going to have it this Tuesday... or face having a London.PM type "second Tuesday that isn't a blah blah" scenario ;) -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Hospital closures kill more than carbombs ever will. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Jan 4 16:58:03 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: January's Meeting In-Reply-To: <20020104185045.A9355@soto.kasei.com> References: <20011228174945.I23280@soto.kasei.com> <20020104182610.A20436@futureless.org> <20020104185045.A9355@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020104225803.A21169@futureless.org> On Fri, Jan 04, 2002 at 06:50:45PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > Erm. Surely meetings are "second Monday" which is 14th ... Of course! Where did you get the idea that meetings were on a Tuesday?! > Karen informs me it was moved to Monday becaue Russell couldn't make > Tuesdays....... But I could make /this/ Tuesday because classes are stopped for holidays... erm, so don't worry about urgency then. Just let me know what's going on, mmmkay? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Madam, what a handsome moustashe you wear! 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Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One There is a disurbing lack of PASTE ENEMA on the internet. From phoenix3051 at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 8 21:07:13 2002 From: phoenix3051 at ntlworld.com (Patrick Dempster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing Message-ID: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Is my connection to this list broken or is this a VERY low traffic list. 3 days and no messages Regards, Paddy From andrew-dated-1010995092.990c38 at rivendale.net Wed Jan 9 01:58:11 2002 From: andrew-dated-1010995092.990c38 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: <20020109075811.GA768@gandalf.rivendale.net> Hi Patrick On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:07:13AM +0000, Patrick Dempster wrote: > Is my connection to this list broken or is this a VERY low traffic list. 3 > days and no messages We're extreemly low volume and it tends to be quite bursty, you'll get 8 or 9 messages together and then nothing for couple of weeks. cheers Andrew From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 9 06:44:12 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020109075811.GA768@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020109075811.GA768@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020109124412.A22999@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:58:11AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Is my connection to this list broken or is this a VERY low traffic list. 3 > > days and no messages > We're extreemly low volume and it tends to be quite bursty, you'll get 8 or 9 > messages together and then nothing for couple of weeks. That's cos all the general banter, Marc'n'Andrew baiting, random trivia etc tends to happen over on BLUG ... Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 9 07:46:14 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: A message! A honest to goodness message! Message-ID: <20020109134614.F12219@tux.blackstar.co.uk> The next meeting, people, will be a social one. hurrah! In a real pub with real (ok, probably not) ale! And no, this isn't an excuse so I can get out of doing a talk, it is as (we estimate) 50% of the attendees will be somewhere else [0] So, all and sundry feel free to join the tomfoolery in a hostelry in the city [1] sometime soon! [2] m. ]0] No, we aren't jealous, nor are we using voodoo magick to cause a hurricane in the Carib... [1] dunno where yet... [2] I am sure I knwo the date, just can't think of it... -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 9 07:48:02 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020109124412.A22999@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020109075811.GA768@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020109124412.A22999@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020109134802.A23948@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 12:44:12PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 07:58:11AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > Is my connection to this list broken or is this a VERY low traffic list. 3 > > > days and no messages > > > We're extreemly low volume and it tends to be quite bursty, you'll get 8 or 9 > > messages together and then nothing for couple of weeks. > > That's cos all the general banter, Marc'n'Andrew baiting, random trivia > etc tends to happen over on BLUG ... As per our conversation at lunch. Right you lazy sods! get this months meeting organised ;-) cheers Andrew From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 9 07:53:10 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020109134802.A23948@soto.kasei.com>; from Andrew Wilson on Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:48:02PM +0000 References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020109075811.GA768@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020109124412.A22999@soto.kasei.com> <20020109134802.A23948@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020109135310.H12219@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:48:02PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > As per our conversation at lunch. > > Right you lazy sods! get this months meeting organised ;-) you are so 5 minutes ago. m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 9 08:11:58 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: <20020109141158.D5349@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 03:07:13AM +0000, Patrick Dempster wrote: > Is my connection to this list broken or is this a VERY low traffic list. 3 > days and no messages Very low traffic. Maybe we should explain just how low traffic in our little FAQ thing... -- Russell Matbouli | SOY! SOY! SOY! Soy makes you strong! russell@futureless.org | Strength crushes enemies! SOY! PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Admit it. Go on. Anyway, where are the rest of them going to be? > So, all and sundry feel free to join the tomfoolery in a hostelry in the > city [1] sometime soon! [2] Any plans? If we wanted to have a wee talk before going to the pub[1], we could use UTVi since it is centrally located and withing 5 minutes of tons of pubs. [1] Y'know, since you have probably spent hours working on your talk :) -- Russell Matbouli | Jam your brain with broken heros russell@futureless.org | Love your masks and adore your failure PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020109/16c1bdd2/attachment.bin From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 9 08:17:20 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: A message! A honest to goodness message! In-Reply-To: <20020109134614.F12219@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020109134614.F12219@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020109141720.F5349@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:46:14PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > The next meeting, people, will be a social one. hurrah! In a real pub > with real (ok, probably not) ale! err, aren't you meant to be arranging the BLUG meeting? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Whose turn is it to mount the scratch monkey? PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 9 08:07:12 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: A message! A honest to goodness message! In-Reply-To: <20020109134614.F12219@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020109134614.F12219@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020109140712.A24164@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 01:46:14PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > The next meeting, people, will be a social one. hurrah! In a real pub > with real (ok, probably not) ale! > > And no, this isn't an excuse so I can get out of doing a talk, it is as > (we estimate) 50% of the attendees will be somewhere else [0] Does that mean they're[1] attending the meeting in the pub by phone? Otherwise how can they[2] be attendees if they're[1] somewhere else? cheers Andrew [0] we're [1] [1] I've changed the style of this smiley as I can't do Big S**t Eating Grin with normal smileys :-) [2] we [1] From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 9 08:56:18 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <20020109143942.A22273@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020109141158.D5349@futureless.org> <20020109143942.A22273@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020109145618.B5669@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 02:39:42PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > Is that a hint? Oh. ummm. We do have something like this in the FAQ don't we? *scuttles off to the webpage* [1] What lists are there? We have two mailing lists, the normal belfast-pm list and the digest list, imaginatively called, belfast-pm-digest. The "realtime" list is fairly low volume, so bear that in mind if you plan to join the digest. It may take a while for a digest to make it's way to you." That should give a good hint though... Maybe put what Andrew said into the FAQ if you're feeling very webmastery [2] today. > And we say there's not enough black in the union jack > And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes The "Conservatives say... Democrats say..." version came into my mind yesterday for no good reason, actually... [1] Mistyped that as "quota", damn! [2] Webmaster is such a stupid word. Webmastery [3] more so. [3] Should it be webmasterish? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | We keep the Funk alive by talking with idiots PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In a real pub > > with real (ok, probably not) ale! > > > > And no, this isn't an excuse so I can get out of doing a talk, it is as > > (we estimate) 50% of the attendees will be somewhere else Let's try that again with the footnote numbers correct this time. Does that mean they're[0] attending the meeting in the pub by phone? Otherwise how can they[2] be attendees if they're[0] somewhere else? cheers Andrew [0] we're [1] [1] I've changed the style of this smiley as I can't do Big S**t Eating Grin with normal smileys :-) [2] we [1] From david at cantrell.org.uk Wed Jan 9 17:46:32 2002 From: david at cantrell.org.uk (David Cantrell) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast Message-ID: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> I have, foolishly, volunteered to be the Group Travel Organising Tsar for this. Please could people contact me off-list by the end of the week if they are interested in going. Let me know if you are definitely going, or if you are merely interested in going. And if any of the Belfast.pm crowd have suggestions for hotels, we'd be grateful for your advice. -- David Cantrell | david@cantrell.org.uk | http://www.cantrell.org.uk/david May your blessings always outweigh your blotches! -- Dianne van Dulken, in alt.2eggs.sausage.beans.tomatoes.2toast.largetea.cheerslove From paul.dundas at btinternet.com Wed Jan 9 18:15:08 2002 From: paul.dundas at btinternet.com (Paul Dundas) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020109141158.D5349@futureless.org> <20020109143942.A22273@blackstar.co.uk> <20020109145618.B5669@futureless.org> Message-ID: <3C3CDD0C.6010009@btinternet.com> Russell Matbouli wrote: > > The "Conservatives say... Democrats say..." version came into my mind > yesterday for no good reason, actually... > > [1] Mistyped that as "quota", damn! > [2] Webmaster is such a stupid word. Webmastery [3] more so. > [3] Should it be webmasterish? > Webmasterly, or possibly Webmasterful? (or "if you're feeling webby") -- Paul D (paul.dundas@btinternet.com) "must nick another good quote" From bazza at bazza.com Wed Jan 9 19:11:21 2002 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Testing In-Reply-To: <3C3CDD0C.6010009@btinternet.com> References: <20020109031059.WRKX23573.mta01-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020109141158.D5349@futureless.org> <20020109143942.A22273@blackstar.co.uk> <20020109145618.B5669@futureless.org> <3C3CDD0C.6010009@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <20020110011121.GA22158@bazza.com> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 12:15:08AM +0000, Paul Dundas mumbled: > Russell Matbouli wrote: > >The "Conservatives say... Democrats say..." version came into my mind > >yesterday for no good reason, actually... > >[1] Mistyped that as "quota", damn! > >[2] Webmaster is such a stupid word. Webmastery [3] more so. > >[3] Should it be webmasterish? > Webmasterly, or possibly Webmasterful? > (or "if you're feeling webby") webmasteresque? -- -Barry Hughes linux: the choice of a GNU generation (ksh@cis.ufl.edu put this on Tshirts in '93) http://bazza.com/ From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 9 20:05:24 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:46:32PM +0000, David Cantrell wrote: > And if any of the Belfast.pm crowd have suggestions for hotels, we'd be > grateful for your advice. I may be able to provide a sofa to sleep on if there are any cheapo-studenty types coming over... As for hotels, I guess the main ones would be the Europa, Dukes and the Hilton, but I can't give reviews as I've never had to stay in a hotel in Belfast... If no-one else suggests places, I can look in the yellow pages and you can call around for prices. -- Russell Matbouli | Jam your brain with broken heros russell@futureless.org | Love your masks and adore your failure PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If no-one else suggests places, I can look in the yellow > pages and you can call around for prices. > http://dmoz.org/Regional/Europe/United_Kingdom/Northern_Ireland/Belfast/Travel_and_Tourism/Accommodation/ lists a few (with sketchy idea of location), and may be of some help. -- Paul D (paul.dundas@btinternet.com) "There is no limit to what a man can do or how far he can go if he doesn't mind who gets the credit." - Robert Woodruff From tony-belfast at kasei.com Thu Jan 10 04:05:24 2002 From: tony-belfast at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:05:24AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:46:32PM +0000, David Cantrell wrote: > > And if any of the Belfast.pm crowd have suggestions for hotels, we'd be > > grateful for your advice. > As for hotels, I guess the main ones would be the Europa, Dukes and the > Hilton, but I can't give reviews as I've never had to stay in a hotel in > Belfast... If no-one else suggests places, I can look in the yellow > pages and you can call around for prices. You should stay in the Europa if you like being able to tell people you stayed in the most bombed hotel in Europe. (You should be perfectly safe, it hasn't been bombed for a few weeks now ...) Jury's Inn is fairly central, and fairly decent[1] in a pretty basic way. It's about 70 quid per room. The Hilton ranges from a bit more than that, up to about twice that. The Europa would be at the higher end of that. Dukes is more a student[2] drinking place, so I don't know what the accomodation is like. If you're looking at the University area then Renshaws a few doors down is fine too. Although both will suffer from the 'bad disco late at night' problem. In terms of locale, anywhere within the downtown or university area is pretty central. Belfast isn't really that big a place... Tony [1] Disclaimer: I've never stayed in the one in Belfast, but the others I've stayed in have been fine. [2] Not the Laverys type of student. The type who doesn't mind drinking with old men. Although not really the Fly[3] type of old men. More the old men who want to pretend they're still young, or something. [3] Before it went all poncy. Back when it had jazz on a saturday afternoon and a yard of ale contest and a monkey and stuff. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 10 04:13:59 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:05:24AM +0000 References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020110101359.A813@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:05:24AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > Jury's Inn is fairly central, and fairly decent[1] in a pretty basic > > [1] Disclaimer: I've never stayed in the one in Belfast, but the others > I've stayed in have been fine. I have stayed in the Jury's Inn in Belfast, and can vouch for its fine-ness. m. -- I didn't even have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From karen at kasei.com Thu Jan 10 05:45:24 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020110114524.B1533@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Jan 10 10:05:24 2002, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:05:24AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > You should stay in the Europa if you like being able to tell people you > stayed in the most bombed hotel in Europe. (You should be perfectly > safe, it hasn't been bombed for a few weeks now ...) The Europa are giving a quote of around 85.00 pounds per single room and 120.00 pounds for a double room (these prices were quoted for a group of around 5 people staying) > > Jury's Inn is fairly central, and fairly decent[1] in a pretty basic > way. It's about 70 quid per room. The Hilton ranges from a bit more than > that, up to about twice that. The Europa would be at the higher end of > that. Jury's Inn 71.00 pounds per night per room. > Dukes is more a student[2] drinking place, so I don't know what the > accomodation is like. If you're looking at the University area then > Renshaws a few doors down is fine too. Although both will suffer from > the 'bad disco late at night' problem. Dukes charge 95.00 pounds for a single room and 110.00 pounds for the double room. Renshaws charge 49.00 per room and all their rooms can have double occupancy. This hotel wouldn't be as nice as the others - but then this is reflected in the price. > > In terms of locale, anywhere within the downtown or university area is > pretty central. Belfast isn't really that big a place... Benedicts is central and close to the University area - I've never stayed in the hotel but they do have a really good restaurant and bar. Single Room 65.00 pounds per night, Double room 75.00 per night. http://www.benedictshotel.co.uk/ I will be back from the Perl Whirl on 22nd January - if you haven't organised anything by then get in touch and I'll see if I can sort it out for you. -- Karen From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 10 05:00:52 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org>; from russell-belfast-pm@futureless.org on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:05:24AM +0000 References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020110110052.A2527@blackstar.co.uk> On (10/01/02 02:05), Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Wed, Jan 09, 2002 at 11:46:32PM +0000, David Cantrell wrote: > > And if any of the Belfast.pm crowd have suggestions for hotels, we'd be > > grateful for your advice. > > I may be able to provide a sofa to sleep on if there are any > cheapo-studenty types coming over... > > As for hotels, I guess the main ones would be the Europa, Dukes and the > Hilton, but I can't give reviews as I've never had to stay in a hotel in > Belfast... If no-one else suggests places, I can look in the yellow > pages and you can call around for prices. The Hilton is pretty much what you would expect, once you get past the stares in reception.[0] Probably costly, but nice. If you can get someone else to pay then go for it. And to reduce the price tag a little, they do refund (some/most/all of) your car-parking fee when you leave. Thanks Duggie [0] I suspect you don't get these if you wear a suit.[1] [1] Or accuse their Concierge of being a thief when he picks up your bag and begins to walk aaway with it. From greg at mccarroll.demon.co.uk Thu Jan 10 07:52:54 2002 From: greg at mccarroll.demon.co.uk (Greg McCarroll) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110101359.A813@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:13:59AM +0000 References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> <20020110101359.A813@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110135254.A1683@mccarroll.demon.co.uk> * Stray Toaster (mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk) wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 10:05:24AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > > > Jury's Inn is fairly central, and fairly decent[1] in a pretty basic > > > > [1] Disclaimer: I've never stayed in the one in Belfast, but the others > > I've stayed in have been fine. > > I have stayed in the Jury's Inn in Belfast, and can vouch for its > fine-ness. > but but but its in belfast! bah, i reckon you'd be better staying in galgorm manor and travelling up to belfast (20 miles), yes indeed, thats a much better idea ;-) -- Greg McCarroll http://217.34.97.146/~gem/ From londonpm at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 10 07:56:07 2002 From: londonpm at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110135254.A1683@mccarroll.demon.co.uk>; from Greg McCarroll on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:52:54PM +0000 References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> <20020110101359.A813@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110135254.A1683@mccarroll.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110135607.A5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:52:54PM +0000, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > but but but its in belfast! bah, i reckon you'd be better staying in > galgorm manor and travelling up to belfast (20 miles), yes indeed, > thats a much better idea ;-) Well, if you are that far up the country, you can have a lift down to the city on the back of my motorcycle! m. -- I didn't even have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From londonpm at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 10 08:09:08 2002 From: londonpm at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110135607.A5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:56:07PM +0000 References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> <20020110101359.A813@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110135254.A1683@mccarroll.demon.co.uk> <20020110135607.A5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110140908.B5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:56:07PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:52:54PM +0000, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > but but but its in belfast! bah, i reckon you'd be better staying in > > galgorm manor and travelling up to belfast (20 miles), yes indeed, > > thats a much better idea ;-) > > Well, if you are that far up the country, you can have a lift down to > the city on the back of my motorcycle! Oh, alright, if anyone *does* stay outside of the city [0], I can bring them down. In my car. m. [0] The Ballymena side, not the Bangor side. -- I didn't even have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From perl at swmcc.com Thu Jan 10 08:07:20 2002 From: perl at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Damian in Belfast In-Reply-To: <20020110140908.B5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from londonpm@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:09:08PM +0000 References: <20020109234631.A13895@lapdog.barnyard.co.uk> <20020110020524.B9776@futureless.org> <20020110100524.A32451@soto.kasei.com> <20020110101359.A813@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110135254.A1683@mccarroll.demon.co.uk> <20020110135607.A5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110140908.B5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110140720.A32751@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 02:09:08PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:56:07PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 01:52:54PM +0000, Greg McCarroll wrote: > > > > > > but but but its in belfast! bah, i reckon you'd be better staying in > > > galgorm manor and travelling up to belfast (20 miles), yes indeed, > > > thats a much better idea ;-) > > > > Well, if you are that far up the country, you can have a lift down to > > the city on the back of my motorcycle! > > Oh, alright, if anyone *does* stay outside of the city [0], I can bring them > down. In my car. Same goes for me but from the Lisburn side. I'm pretty flexible on what way I can come in from where I live so contact me off list if need be. Thanks, -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com Mr Brown? That sounds too much like Mr Shit. Reservior Dogs (1992) From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Thu Jan 10 10:26:40 2002 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: class::dbi Message-ID: hey guys, having a problem with Class::DBI. this is what i have in the files below ------------------------------------------------------------------------(/DB.pm) package DB; use base 'Class::DBI::mysql'; __PACKAGE__->set_db('Main','dbi:mysql:main','chatbox','chatbox'); 1; ------------------------------------------------------------------------(/DB/chat.pm) package DB::chat; use base 'DB'; __PACKAGE__->set_up_table('chat'); 1; ------------------------------------------------------------------------(/www/index) #!/usr/bin/perl use strict; use warnings; use DB::chat; print "lo!"; ------------------------------------------------------------------------(And this is the error stuff) [Thu Jan 10 16:07:18 2002] [error] Can't locate object method "set_up_table" via package "DB::chat" (perhaps you forgot to loa d "DB::chat"?) at /usr/local/lib/site_perl/DB/chat.pm line 4. Compilation failed in require at /home/kungfuftr/www/index line 5. BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /home/kungfuftr/www/index line 5. ------------------------------------------------------------------------Anyone have any ideas? ta! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- PGP key id: 0x3C79CF1D _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 10 10:36:32 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: class::dbi In-Reply-To: ; from Scott McWhirter on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:26:40PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20020110163632.M5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:26:40PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > hey guys, > having a problem with Class::DBI. this is what i have in the files below > ------------------------------------------------------------------------(/DB.pm) > package DB; > > use base 'Class::DBI::mysql'; > __PACKAGE__->set_db('Main','dbi:mysql:main','chatbox','chatbox'); two things! Firstly, I assume you have Class::DBI::mysql installed? and secondly, there is a standard lib called DB. So maybe it isn't looking at your db package? try calling it something else, and see if that works. m. -- I didn't even have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 10 10:40:26 2002 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: class::dbi In-Reply-To: ; from sleepy_uk@hotmail.com on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:26:40PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20020110164026.A31927@blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:26:40PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > package DB; *snip* Well you could be having problems because there already is a DB package in the perl 5.6 core! Maybe give it a different (better?) namespace and see if that helps. On a vaguely related note, were those the real login and password for the database? All I need now is the machine name and I have database access ;) Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 10 10:45:26 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: class::dbi In-Reply-To: <20020110164133.B31927@blackstar.co.uk>; from Steve Rushe on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:41:33PM +0000 References: <20020110163632.M5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110164133.B31927@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110164526.N5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:41:33PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > > Just to clear this up, the only reason Marc knew about the DB package is > because I told him, the thieving bastard! slander! Now who are you going to believe? Steve, the mild-mannered, well spoken respectable coder, or me, the mild-mannered, well spoken, respectable coder? m. -- I didn't even have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 10 10:53:17 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: class::dbi In-Reply-To: <20020110164526.N5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:45:26PM +0000 References: <20020110163632.M5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110164133.B31927@blackstar.co.uk> <20020110164526.N5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020110165317.B2694@blackstar.co.uk> On (10/01/02 16:45), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:41:33PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > > > > Just to clear this up, the only reason Marc knew about the DB package is > > because I told him, the thieving bastard! > > slander! > > Now who are you going to believe? Steve, the mild-mannered, well spoken > respectable coder, or me, the mild-mannered, well spoken, respectable > coder? > > m. What? But _I'm_ the mild-mannered, well spoken, respective coder. Your friendly, like-able, Duggie From perl.belfast at kasei.com Mon Jan 14 08:35:26 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: the DB package In-Reply-To: <20020110164526.N5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020110163632.M5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020110164133.B31927@blackstar.co.uk> <20020110164526.N5685@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020114143526.A27528@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Jan 10 16:45:26 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Jan 10, 2002 at 04:41:33PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > > > > Just to clear this up, the only reason Marc knew about the DB package is > > because I told him, the thieving bastard! > > slander! 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Isn't life tough? -- Karen From dannymcc73 at hotmail.com Mon Jan 14 12:50:14 2002 From: dannymcc73 at hotmail.com (Dan _) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question Message-ID: I am new to perl and am trying to open an html document form the web using perl & DOS. open (netfile, "//www.kjh.com/webpage.html"); doesnt seem to do anything, I know this is quite innaine, but I guess someone has to be the butt of the jokes _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From russell-blug at futureless.org Mon Jan 14 12:53:48 2002 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.6.1 from source on Debian Message-ID: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> Hi all, I've just installed Debian on my new laptop and all was good until I installed Perl 5.6.1 from source. I thought I hit "n" when it asked if I wanted /usr/local/bin/perl to be overwritten, but evidently I pressed enter without the key registering. The main problem seems to be that there are some Debian:: modules that aren't installed under 5.6.1 obviously. So the question is - what is the best way to make Debian use 5.6.1? I know I can overwrite /u/l/b/p with the old version, but that's a bit kludgy. Is there a 5.6.1 package hiding away somewhere? -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | May you always be as vivid as your hallucinations PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Here's a really short script to show you how it's used. #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; use LWP::Simple; # store the contents of the page as $feed my $feed = get('http://www.kjh.com/webpage.html') || die "Can't fetch that page :(\n"; # to write it to a file, you can do this: open(NETFILE, "> netfile.html") || die "Can't open the output file!\n"; print NETFILE $feed; close(OUT); I hope this helps you out. Thanks Duggie -- Your stars: Aquarius (Jan. 20 - Feb. 18) Be careful what you wish for this week. You won't get it, regardless, but it's always a good idea to be careful. (supplied by The Onion) From wesley at yelsew.com Mon Jan 14 13:03:44 2002 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.6.1 from source on Debian In-Reply-To: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> References: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020114190344.GA12674@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:53:48PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > I've just installed Debian on my new laptop and all was good until I > installed Perl 5.6.1 from source. I thought I hit "n" when it asked if I > wanted /usr/local/bin/perl to be overwritten, but evidently I pressed > enter without the key registering. > > The main problem seems to be that there are some Debian:: modules that > aren't installed under 5.6.1 obviously. > > So the question is - what is the best way to make Debian use 5.6.1? I > know I can overwrite /u/l/b/p with the old version, but that's a bit > kludgy. Is there a 5.6.1 package hiding away somewhere? AFAIK, Debian keeps its perl in /usr/bin/perl. If you put yours in /usr/local/bin/perl then you only have a path ordering issue... export PATH=/usr/bin:$PATH # Do debian perl stuff here... I usually keep "my" perl in something like /usr/local/perl-5.6.1-ahem which is symlinked from /usr/local/perl. Then, /usr/local/perl/bin is put in all users' paths via /etc/profile (slightly convolutedly), and manpaths too. Root's perl is then /usr/bin/perl. Not ideal, but workable. Suggestions for alternative layouts welcome... Wesley. [0] Past participle of symlink (v.t.) From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Jan 14 13:34:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114190443.B28868@futureless.org>; from Russell Matbouli on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:04:43PM +0000 References: <20020114190443.B28868@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020114193434.A17329@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:04:43PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:50:14PM +0000, Dan _ wrote: > > I am new to perl and am trying to open an html document form the web > > using perl & DOS. > > Have you looked at LWP::Simple? App wget is available for windows. That might do what you want, without having to use LWP. But if you must, LWP does the job. > > > doesnt seem to do anything, I know this is quite innaine, but I guess > > someone has to be the butt of the jokes > > We don't make fun of people who aren't Marc here. I am suprised duggie didn't take up on this one. You will all cower in fear when my self-modifying, organically growing code gets unleashed upon the world...... m. -- It was a two-way thing Not a three-day fling No secrets kept No truths betrayed From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Jan 14 13:37:17 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: I'm at the Perl Whirl! In-Reply-To: <20020114183848.D30093@soto.kasei.com>; from Karen Pauley on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:38:48PM +0000 References: <20020114183848.D30093@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020114193717.B17329@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:38:48PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > I couldn't resist sending a message from the Perl Whirl (via the > satelite link). This is the first time that a geek cruise has had > wireless internet access! > > I went to hear Tim Bunce speaking on DBI this morning. Heard Damian and > Larry talk about Perl 6 last night - after spending the afternoon > kayaking on a private carribean island... > > Isn't life tough? WE don't care. We got postal strikes thru the usual North Belfast tomfoolery, biting cold rain, idiot car drivers who think they have a God-given to attempt to kill me, so why would be need to be somewhere sunny relaxing while rubbing shoulders with the perl illuminati/glitterati. gah. right, I'll get my coat. m. -- Someone in this town Is trying to burn the Playhouse down They want to stop the ones who want A rock to wind a string around From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Mon Jan 14 13:40:53 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114193434.A17329@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:34:34PM +0000 References: <20020114190443.B28868@futureless.org> <20020114193434.A17329@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020114194053.A32755@blackstar.co.uk> On (14/01/02 19:34), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:04:43PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:50:14PM +0000, Dan _ wrote: > > > I am new to perl and am trying to open an html document form the web > > > using perl & DOS. > > > > Have you looked at LWP::Simple? > > App wget is available for windows. That might do what you want, without > having to use LWP. But if you must, LWP does the job. Indeed, I didn't read that 'DOS' bit so wget would make sense. > > > doesnt seem to do anything, I know this is quite innaine, but I guess > > > someone has to be the butt of the jokes > > > > We don't make fun of people who aren't Marc here. > > I am suprised duggie didn't take up on this one. I didn't see Russell's response until now. And by complete coincidence, my random signature says it all! Thanks Duggie -- Fuck off Kerr! From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Mon Jan 14 13:43:20 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: I'm at the Perl Whirl! In-Reply-To: <20020114193717.B17329@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:37:17PM +0000 References: <20020114183848.D30093@soto.kasei.com> <20020114193717.B17329@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020114194320.B32755@blackstar.co.uk> On (14/01/02 19:37), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:38:48PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > > I couldn't resist sending a message from the Perl Whirl (via the > > satelite link). This is the first time that a geek cruise has had > > wireless internet access! > > > > I went to hear Tim Bunce speaking on DBI this morning. Heard Damian and > > Larry talk about Perl 6 last night - after spending the afternoon > > kayaking on a private carribean island... > > > > Isn't life tough? > > WE don't care. We got postal strikes thru the usual North Belfast > tomfoolery, biting cold rain, idiot car drivers who think they have a > God-given to attempt to kill me, so why would be need to be somewhere > sunny relaxing while rubbing shoulders with the perl > illuminati/glitterati. gah. > > right, I'll get my coat. > > m. Coat? Stop being a cheapskate and put your heating on! Duggie -- Your stars: Aquarius (Jan. 20 - Feb. 18) Be careful what you wish for this week. You won't get it, regardless, but it's always a good idea to be careful. (supplied by The Onion) From schwern at pobox.com Mon Jan 14 15:40:08 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 07:01:06PM +0000, duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk wrote: > # to write it to a file, you can do this: > open(NETFILE, "> netfile.html") || die "Can't open the output file!\n"; > print NETFILE $feed; > close(OUT); There's also getstore() for that use LWP::Simple; getstore('http://www.angryflower.com/thisin.gif', 'btaf/Internet_Thing.gif'); PS Point of order for the Amerikins... "Brush Question"? -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Schwern Unit: a positive but insignificant quantity From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Mon Jan 14 16:18:58 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> References: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020114221858.A29873@futureless.org> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:40:08PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > use LWP::Simple; > getstore('http://www.angryflower.com/thisin.gif', > 'btaf/Internet_Thing.gif'); Angryflower++ > PS Point of order for the Amerikins... "Brush Question"? "Daft as a brush question" - think of any question you could ask about a brush - they're all daft aren't they. - "Is that a brush in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" - "No, it's a brush" - "How many brushes does it take to change a lightbulb?" - "Eight, one to get each of a rabbi, a nun, an irishman, a scotsman, an englishman, and the other two to write the punchline. And another one to brush your hair with while you change it" Oh, and "boom boom", in a Basil Brush voice. [1] > Schwern Unit: a positive but insignificant quantity So is an electron, if you don't believe the "conventions" that physicists impose on us today... [1] I stayed up all night revising, did my exam and am still up. -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Daylight bores the sunshine out of me PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From Belfast-PM at stripey.com Mon Jan 14 15:28:24 2002 From: Belfast-PM at stripey.com (Smylers) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Visiting Belfast for Damian's Talk Message-ID: Hello there. I've no connection with Belfast, so I hope you don't mind me jumping in on your list like this. I've noticed that the incredible Damian Conway is paying you a visit in a few weeks' time, and I was wondering if it's OK for outsiders to come along and listen on the 4th? I live in Leeds, I'd really like to hear him, and it seems Belfast is the closest place he's going to be in the near future. If so can anybody recommend a B&B or somewhere to stay? Thanks. Smylers From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Mon Jan 14 16:36:17 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Visiting Belfast for Damian's Talk In-Reply-To: ; from Smylers on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 09:28:24PM +0000 References: Message-ID: <20020114223617.B19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 09:28:24PM +0000, Smylers wrote: > Hello there. I've no connection with Belfast, so I hope you don't mind > me jumping in on your list like this. > > I've noticed that the incredible Damian Conway is paying you a visit in > a few weeks' time, and I was wondering if it's OK for outsiders to come > along and listen on the 4th? I live in Leeds, I'd really like to hear > him, and it seems Belfast is the closest place he's going to be in the > near future. > > If so can anybody recommend a B&B or somewhere to stay? Outsiders, eh? Not sure what our rules are, but I am sure you would be welcome to come over! As for B&Bs, that would imply some sort of organization skills. pah, why do you think I got married? So I could still organise myself? KAren, our erstwhile organiser, might be able to tell you more. I am not really in belfast, y'see. Would you be bringing a car over on t'ferry, or flying in? We are more than glad to help out in anyway we can! m. -- Someone in this town Is trying to burn the Playhouse down They want to stop the ones who want A rock to wind a string around From schwern at pobox.com Mon Jan 14 17:00:29 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114222802.A19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> <20020114222802.A19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020114230029.GM2877@blackrider> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:28:02PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:40:08PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > > > PS Point of order for the Amerikins... "Brush Question"? > > you don't get 'daft as a brush'? tcah. > > And why were you in Katy Daly's on Friday night then, eh? eh? [1] Its all done with smoke and mirrors. > [1] and sporting a pint and not buying us? eh? eh? Mirrors don't have pockets to hold a wallet. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One gigaconway: a hypothetical unit of mind expansion, so disturbing it is likely to change the fundemental nature of the universe. Some contend that gigaconway events, while rare, are much cheaper to produce than antiprotons, nuclear weapons or even XML specifications, and start at US$60,000 each. If you believe gigaconway events are indeed possible, please send your tax deductable contributions to: The Conway Fund, c/o Yet Another Society http://www.yetanother.org/ -- Ziggy From Belfast-PM at stripey.com Mon Jan 14 16:02:04 2002 From: Belfast-PM at stripey.com (Smylers) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Visiting Belfast for Damian's Talk In-Reply-To: <20020114223617.B19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: Stray Toaster wrote: > Outsiders, eh? Not sure what our rules are, but I am sure you would be > welcome to come over! Oooh, cheers. > KAren, our erstwhile organiser, might be able to tell you more. I am > not really in belfast, y'see. Ffrom the first mail I read on subscribing to this list, it didn't sound like Karen's in Belfast either (unless I've been grossly misinformed about the Belfast climate). > Would you be bringing a car over on t'ferry, or flying in? I don't have a car, so flying it is. Flying Go from Stansted to Belfast International seems to be about 10% the price of flying from Leeds, but I'm in London the weekend before anyway so that isn't too much hassle. So my vague plan is to fly London-Belfast on Monday and back again on Tuesday. I've got nothing else planned for those days, so will probably fly lunchtime-ish on both days (giving me a little time to look round Belfast on Monday afternoon without having to get up from friend's sofa horrendously early, and giving me a vague chance of getting back to Stansted in time for sundry rail companies to get me into central London and back out to Leeds before bedtime). Ideally I'd like to find somewhere to stay not too far from wherever Damian's speaking. Obviously I'd feel much happier to have this arranged before setting off. > We are more than glad to help out in anyway we can! Thanks. Smylers From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Mon Jan 14 17:10:52 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114230029.GM2877@blackrider>; from schwern@pobox.com on Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:00:29PM -0500 References: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> <20020114222802.A19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020114230029.GM2877@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020114231052.A10859@blackstar.co.uk> On (14/01/02 18:00), Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 10:28:02PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 04:40:08PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > > > > > PS Point of order for the Amerikins... "Brush Question"? > > > > you don't get 'daft as a brush'? tcah. > > > > And why were you in Katy Daly's on Friday night then, eh? eh? [1] > > Its all done with smoke and mirrors. Ahem, alcohol has a fair bit to play too. ;) And that pesky green Absinthe... It may look like mouthwash. Heck, it may even smell like mouthwash, but it's definitely not mouthwash![0] Duggie [0] Although it probably does strip the plaque from your teeth! -- Your stars: Sagittarius (Nov. 22 - Dec. 21) You know you're different from everyone else, but, try as you might, you just can't understand why people put walls where they do. (supplied by The Onion) From schwern at pobox.com Mon Jan 14 17:58:27 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.6.1 from source on Debian In-Reply-To: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> References: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020114235827.GQ2877@blackrider> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:53:48PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > The main problem seems to be that there are some Debian:: modules that > aren't installed under 5.6.1 obviously. > > So the question is - what is the best way to make Debian use 5.6.1? Prayer. Ruling out divine intervention, you could just upgrade to the testing distribution. Its already using 5.6.1 and its quite stable. I've been using it for years. [1] Just be prepared for it to Do Things to your computer, like install X 4.0 (which isn't Bad, just might require some reconfiguration). Or you can just install 5.6.1 in /usr/local/ and put it somewhere in your path. That way all the Debian #!/usr/bin/perl or #!/usr/local/bin/perl programs will still work. There's also the Debian Perl Policy document (part of the debian-policy package) which doesn't really cover this problem but is worth a read if you're going to start tinkering with this stuff. You could copy all the Debian::* files to your local installation. Or you could find all the packages which contain Debian::* modules and force them to go into your local installation. $ dpkg -S /usr/share/perl5/Debian/* adduser: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/AdduserCommon.pm debconf: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/DebConf debhelper: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Debhelper defoma: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Defoma dfontmgr: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/DefomaWizard dfontmgr: /usr/share/perl5/Debian/Dfontmgr $ dpkg -S /usr/lib/perl5/Debian/* debian-test: /usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DebianTest.pm dpkg-ftp: /usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DpkgFtp.pm Or talk to the Debian Perl package maintainers. They have to have been asked this before. [1] Of course, I also just fixed my laptop with masking tape. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One please remove your pants we promise this won't hurt much prepare for insertion -- Fmh From bazza at bazza.com Mon Jan 14 19:47:00 2002 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:23 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020114231052.A10859@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> <20020114222802.A19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020114230029.GM2877@blackrider> <20020114231052.A10859@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020115014700.GA28671@bazza.com> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 11:10:52PM +0000, duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk mumbled: > Ahem, alcohol has a fair bit to play too. ;) > And that pesky green Absinthe... It may look like mouthwash. Heck, it > may even smell like mouthwash, but it's definitely not mouthwash![0] > Duggie > [0] Although it probably does strip the plaque from your teeth! and everything else, try a bottle of the real stuff someday rather than the stuff you can get in pubs around town -- -Barry Hughes Intel engineering seem to have misheard Intel marketing strategy. The phrase was "Divide and conquer" not "Divide and cock up" (By iialan@www.linux.org.uk, Alan Cox) http://bazza.com/ From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 15 03:23:08 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Newbie daft as a brush question In-Reply-To: <20020115014700.GA28671@bazza.com>; from barry on Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:47:00AM +0000 References: <20020114190106.A28490@blackstar.co.uk> <20020114214008.GK2877@blackrider> <20020114222802.A19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020114230029.GM2877@blackrider> <20020114231052.A10859@blackstar.co.uk> <20020115014700.GA28671@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20020115092308.A23876@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 01:47:00AM +0000, barry wrote: > and everything else, try a bottle of the real stuff someday rather than the > stuff you can get in pubs around town Like that stuff I got from that spy website? where they sell oscar's finest *and* james bond gadgets? m. -- It was a two-way thing Not a three-day fling No secrets kept No truths betrayed From russell-blug at futureless.org Tue Jan 15 11:00:53 2002 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.6.1 from source on Debian In-Reply-To: <20020114235827.GQ2877@blackrider> References: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> <20020114235827.GQ2877@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020115170053.A32062@futureless.org> On Mon, Jan 14, 2002 at 06:58:27PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Prayer. and symlinks. I ended up symlinking Debian.pm and Debian/ to a 5.6.1 visible area. Now I keep getting warnings during apt-gets... > Ruling out divine intervention, you could just upgrade to the testing > distribution. Its already using 5.6.1 and its quite stable. I've > been using it for years. [1] Just be prepared for it to Do Things to > your computer, like install X 4.0 (which isn't Bad, just might require > some reconfiguration). I don't really want to be on the bleeding edge for my laptop. For a start, trying to get the winmodem to work has caused too many kernel panics, so I'll probably only have it online via ethernet occasionally until I get that sorted out. Last time I used testing, I was apt-getting dozens of megs every week or so... > [1] Of course, I also just fixed my laptop with masking tape. 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Its already using 5.6.1 and its quite stable. I've > > been using it for years. [1] Just be prepared for it to Do Things to > > your computer, like install X 4.0 (which isn't Bad, just might require > > some reconfiguration). > > I don't really want to be on the bleeding edge for my laptop. unstable is bleeding edge. testing is stuff that's already been through unstable, has no critical bugs and is being tested for stable. You won't get more than the occasional papercut. I run it on my laptop (a Powerbook no less) and haven't had a non-self inflicted wound in a long time. > For a start, trying to get the winmodem to work has caused too many > kernel panics, so I'll probably only have it online via ethernet > occasionally until I get that sorted out. Last time I used testing, > I was apt-getting dozens of megs every week or so... Yep, testing will do that. OTOH, you could create an Amazing Simulation of stable by running apt-get for testing once and then just don't run it again. > > [1] Of course, I also just fixed my laptop with masking tape. > > Hey, whatever works! It broke again. :( All the colors on my screen are inverted. Now I'm trying to fix my hardware problem with software! I've just hacked the kernel atyfb driver to invert all colors. Let's see if that works. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One at last, paste for all citizens will proclaim me paste enema god -- imploded From russell-blug at futureless.org Tue Jan 15 17:05:18 2002 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Installing Perl 5.6.1 from source on Debian In-Reply-To: <20020115224509.GG17961@blackrider> References: <20020114185348.A28868@futureless.org> <20020114235827.GQ2877@blackrider> <20020115170053.A32062@futureless.org> <20020115224509.GG17961@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020115230518.B926@futureless.org> On Tue, Jan 15, 2002 at 05:45:09PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > You won't get more than the occasional papercut. I run it on my > laptop (a Powerbook no less) and haven't had a non-self inflicted > wound in a long time. It's not that I don't like to have bleeding edge (it is necessary sometimes...) it's just that I lack the bandwidth (time?) to do this on a regular basis... Anyone who ever complains about Debian got caught by using unstable. Yup, I've seen your powerbook. One of the black ones that people still prefer for some reason... Tibooks are way too expensive too... > It broke again. :( All the colors on my screen are inverted. Now I'm > trying to fix my hardware problem with software! I've just hacked the > kernel atyfb driver to invert all colors. Let's see if that works. Just go to your local magic shop and buy specs that invert everything. Or if they don't stock them, I'm sure you'll find many a trick to impress people into giving you their money in order to buy a new laptop. NB: THIS IS JUST A HYPOTHESIS. IANAM (I AM NOT A MAGICIAN). -- Russell Matbouli | Your presence reminds one of a blind jackal, russell@futureless.org | eternally dependent upon misguided PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | archbishops to provide instruction in bowling -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Karen is in the Carribean somewhere on the Perl Whirl, rubbing shoulders with all those people whos books we learn from... We're not bitter, no. > I don't have a car, so flying it is. Flying Go from Stansted to Belfast > International seems to be about 10% the price of flying from Leeds, but > I'm in London the weekend before anyway so that isn't too much hassle. NB: Belfast Intl is far away from Belfast. The bus costs something around a tenner iirc, and a taxi much, much more... > So my vague plan is to fly London-Belfast on Monday and back again on > Tuesday. I've got nothing else planned for those days, so will probably Do we have exact dates yet? Or venues? > fly lunchtime-ish on both days (giving me a little time to look round > Belfast on Monday afternoon without having to get up from friend's sofa Don't expect too much, unless you're into liquid breakfasts... ;) > Ideally I'd like to find somewhere to stay not too far from wherever > Damian's speaking. Obviously I'd feel much happier to have this > arranged before setting off. In case you missed my post, my floor [0] is up for grabs. I currently live in Belfast, but by then I'll have moved a bit further out, about a 15m bus ride in to the city, iirc... [0] Or suitable more comfy place like a sofa... I have a few sleeping bags too... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Europe freed by McDonalds and Levis PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I run it on my > > laptop (a Powerbook no less) and haven't had a non-self inflicted > > wound in a long time. > > It's not that I don't like to have bleeding edge (it is necessary > sometimes...) it's just that I lack the bandwidth (time?) to do this on > a regular basis... Anyone who ever complains about Debian got caught by > using unstable. > > Yup, I've seen your powerbook. One of the black ones that people still > prefer for some reason... Tibooks are way too expensive too... I think the reason is because its already paid for. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Kids - don't try this at--oh, hell, go ahead, give it a whirl... From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 16 09:26:51 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Visiting Belfast for Damian's Talk In-Reply-To: References: <20020114223617.B19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020116152651.C10804@soto.kasei.com> On Mon Jan 14 22:02:04 2002, Smylers wrote: > Ffrom the first mail I read on subscribing to this list, it didn't sound > like Karen's in Belfast either (unless I've been grossly misinformed > about the Belfast climate). Karen is sitting at my right hand side, and the 'incredible' Damian Conway is sitting at my left hand side, and I'm cruising in the Caribbean :-) -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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That's not the way to make people insanely jealous. This is the way to make people insanely jealous. Ha ha ha, we're at the perl whirl and you're not. :-) So, how was the meeting guys? Andrew This mail has been brought to you from the perl whirl. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 16 19:00:16 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Visiting Belfast for Damian's Talk In-Reply-To: <20020117002118.A13839@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020114223617.B19072@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020116152651.C10804@soto.kasei.com> <20020117002118.A13839@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020117010016.J5109@futureless.org> [stripping all references to location of certain people] On Thu, Jan 17, 2002 at 12:21:18AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > So, how was the meeting guys? We um... haven't had a meeting yet. I'm proposing [0] going to the bar on Monday night though (who's up for it then?). [0] As in, I'll be at the bar since my last exam will be over by Monday lunchtime. Just drinking th' old lemonade though [1]. [1] A few drinks in the afternoon. That's all. Promise. [2] [2] Those of you who drank with me after the BLUG AGM know that's all it takes :) -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | the things you used to own, now they own you PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020117/95bafdc7/attachment.bin From steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk Fri Jan 18 03:32:55 2002 From: steve-belfastpm at deeden.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 4 is available Message-ID: <20020118093254.GA50798@deeden.co.uk> The fourth Apocalypse is available from Larry Wall at http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/01/15/apo4.html Read and "enjoy"! Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk "And we say there's not enough black in the union jack, And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes" From perl.belfast at kasei.com Fri Jan 18 08:34:16 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 4 is available In-Reply-To: <20020118093254.GA50798@deeden.co.uk> References: <20020118093254.GA50798@deeden.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020118143416.A23343@soto.kasei.com> On Fri Jan 18 04:32:55 2002, Steve Rushe wrote: > The fourth Apocalypse is available from Larry Wall at > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/01/15/apo4.html > > Read and "enjoy"! We were talking to Larry about it a few days ago :-) -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From wesley at yelsew.com Fri Jan 18 09:28:29 2002 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 4 is available In-Reply-To: <20020118145658.A12403@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020118093254.GA50798@deeden.co.uk> <20020118143416.A23343@soto.kasei.com> <20020118145658.A12403@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020118152828.GA13962@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:56:58PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 02:34:16PM +0000, Marty Pauley wrote: > > On Fri Jan 18 04:32:55 2002, Steve Rushe wrote: > > > The fourth Apocalypse is available from Larry Wall at > > > http://www.perl.com/pub/a/2002/01/15/apo4.html > > We were talking to Larry about it a few days ago :-) > The beating you're going to get once you get home, you name-dropper! Marty - could you let us know when your flight gets into Belfast so we can arrange a "Welcoming Committee" for y'all? :-) Wesley. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Fri Jan 18 11:34:16 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Apocalypse 4 is available In-Reply-To: <20020118152828.GA13962@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020118093254.GA50798@deeden.co.uk> <20020118143416.A23343@soto.kasei.com> <20020118145658.A12403@blackstar.co.uk> <20020118152828.GA13962@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020118173416.B11613@futureless.org> On Fri, Jan 18, 2002 at 03:28:29PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > Marty - could you let us know when your flight gets into Belfast so > we can arrange a "Welcoming Committee" for y'all? :-) Welcoming sticks at the ready, here they come... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Don't stop. You can sleep when you're dead. 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I'm trying to make a site designed around templates and cookies. ta! -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- PGP key id: 0x3C79CF1D _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From russell-blug at futureless.org Mon Jan 21 23:05:20 2002 From: russell-blug at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020122050520.A22287@futureless.org> On Mon, Jan 21, 2002 at 06:21:17PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > i'm running mod_perl but i'm looking for the best PerlHandle module to use. I think the point is that you write your own handler... -- Russell Matbouli | I'll remove the cause russell@futureless.org | but not the symptoms PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From perl.belfast at kasei.com Tue Jan 22 08:06:55 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: mod_perl In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020122140655.A11525@soto.kasei.com> On Tue Jan 22 12:33:36 2002, Scott McWhirter wrote: > >What do you want the PerlHandler to do? > Handle templates based on Class::DBI and cookie data. What do you mean by "handle"? There is an Apache::Template module that will process Template Toolkit pages; and I think it can also supply cookie data to the template. That should cover half what I think you might be looking for. If you want to do anything useful with Class::DBI you need to write your own subclassed objects. If you want to use those inside the templates, you could make them into Template Plugins. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can you let me know who is planning on attending (in case a room holding 20 people turns out to be too small) I know that David is coming over for the Thursday night talk and that Smylers is coming for the Monday night talk. Thanks, -- Karen From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Tue Jan 22 20:45:14 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram Message-ID: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> Install it from CPAN or get it from: http://russell.matbouli.org/code/lingua-pangram/Lingua-Pangram-0.01.tar.gz A pangram is a sentence that contains every letter in the alphabet, if you're wondering. I wrote it tonight after seeing hfb's journal entry which said that there was no module to do this :) -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Smile. Relax. Attack. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020123/46cc320f/attachment.bin From russell at futureless.org Tue Jan 22 21:48:51 2002 From: russell at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:44:45AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > You didn;t specifically ask for thsi but I'll give you it any way Oh, cheers! Feedback is always appreciated! > You don't need the variable $ret here it serves no purpose. Also As you can tell, I get a basic algorithm in my head then code it. That's why my code looks like that... (wasteful use of variables, predeclaring variables when I should just go ahead and do whatever, over-verbosity and tautology even, occasionally...) > there is no need to construct the letters and then iterate over them > as seperate steps. In fact perl is now optimised so that if you for > over the 'a' .. 'z' it doesn't construct the entire list at once. *nodding* I didn't know that... It makes sense. It's what I said above I guess... > If not is also unless. A minute's thought would have told me this :) > sub pangram { > my $self = shift; > my $string = shift; > > for ('a'..'z') { > return 0 unless $string =~ /$_/; > } > > return 1; > }#pangram Much nicer. Easier to read, no extra variables either. > Schwern thinks you shouldn't explictly test for 1 and 0. Also that > you shouldn't document it to return those unless yuo specifically want > them as integers. Much better to say it returns true or false. Okay. In my head, 0 and 1 are logically equivalent to true and false. > Also you could probably make it more eficient by getting a list of the > frequencys of usage of letters in english and making your list like > qw(z q x ... etc. ) this will test the letters most likely not to be > there first and return immediately if they aren't Interesting idea. I'll do that when I get tuits :) Thanks again! -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Whose turn is it to mount the scratch monkey? PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020123/d516e197/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 03:20:38 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org>; from Russell Matbouli on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:48:51AM +0000 References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020123092038.A13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:44:45AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Schwern thinks you shouldn't explictly test for 1 and 0. Also that > > you shouldn't document it to return those unless yuo specifically want > > them as integers. Much better to say it returns true or false. > > Okay. In my head, 0 and 1 are logically equivalent to true and false. Bad Andrew! Bad, bad Andrew! If you ask me, which no one ever does, you should not rely on 0 and 1, and def not rely on them equating to true and false. Bad, bad, bad Andrew It might just be me, but I prefer to test for definedness. I like to make all my *things* return true or undef. which is my false. iyswim. m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 23 05:10:18 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123092038.A13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123092038.A13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123111018.A19228@soto.kasei.com> Hi Marc On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:20:38AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > Bad Andrew! Bad, bad Andrew! If you ask me, which no one ever does, you > should not rely on 0 and 1, and def not rely on them equating to true > and false. Bad, bad, bad Andrew > > It might just be me, but I prefer to test for definedness. I like to > make all my *things* return true or undef. which is my false. > > iyswim. Sometimes I agree with this, testing if an object exists for instance I would always check definedness (well now anyway) incase anyone has overridden the stringification of the object. This is just a rule of thumb though. Schwern pointed it out to me, it's really bad to test for 1 and 0 being returned when you really mean true and false. Sometimes it's bad to check for truth when you should be checking definedness. Horses for courses my man. cheers Andrew From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 05:45:09 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123092038.A13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123092038.A13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123114509.A19631@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 09:20:38AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > Bad Andrew! Bad, bad Andrew! If you ask me, which no one ever does, you > should not rely on 0 and 1, and def not rely on them equating to true > and false. Bad, bad, bad Andrew > It might just be me, but I prefer to test for definedness. I like to > make all my *things* return true or undef. which is my false. Bad Marc! Bad, bad Marc. Replacing one cargo cult with a slightly different one. Undefined is different from false. Which is different from zero. Test for whichever is appropriate. Tony From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 05:47:57 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123111018.A19228@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123092038.A13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123111018.A19228@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123114757.B19631@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 11:10:18AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > it's really bad to test for 1 and 0 being returned when you really mean > true and false. The classic case, of course, being -s Compare: if (-s $file) { print "File is not empty" } with if (-s $file == 1) { print "File is not empty" } Tony From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 07:51:56 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> On Wed Jan 23 03:48:51 2002, Russell Matbouli wrote: > A minute's thought would have told me this :) > > > sub pangram { > > my $self = shift; > > my $string = shift; > > > > for ('a'..'z') { > > return 0 unless $string =~ /$_/; > > } > > > > return 1; > > }#pangram > > Much nicer. Easier to read, no extra variables either. But that doesn't work with uppercase letters in your pangram. :-) This looks like a nice golf challenge... To start, a modified version of Russell's code at 74 strokes: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' Your entries should behave in the same way as the above example: it should print any input lines that are pangrams. Have fun! -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I guess this will get a lot shorter. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me! From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 08:34:17 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:14:23PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:51:56PM +0000, Marty Pauley wrote: >> To start, a modified version of Russell's code at 74 strokes: >>> Well a tad shorter, just by rearranging Same algorithm, shorter version: MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' Tony From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 08:50:31 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:34:17PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: >On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:14:23PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:51:56PM +0000, Marty Pauley wrote: >>> To start, a modified version of Russell's code at 74 strokes: >>>> Well a tad shorter, just by rearranging >>>>> Same algorithm, shorter version: Make that: > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:01:26 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000 References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:34:17PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:14:23PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:51:56PM +0000, Marty Pauley wrote: > >>> To start, a modified version of Russell's code at 74 strokes: > >>>> Well a tad shorter, just by rearranging > >>>>> Same algorithm, shorter version: > > Make that: > > > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' well, at least mine comes in at under a 100, which is good for me. I gave up on the pack/unpack business, as it was getting silly. and long. and taking up too much time. so, for your amusement..... sub m{1if ord($_)>64&&ord($_)<123}foreach(split'',shift){$true{$_}++if m($_)}print %true==26?1:0 m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From wesley at yelsew.com Wed Jan 23 09:07:07 2002 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123150707.GA6606@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:34:17PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > >On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:14:23PM +0000, Steve Rushe wrote: > >> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 01:51:56PM +0000, Marty Pauley wrote: > >>> To start, a modified version of Russell's code at 74 strokes: > >>>> Well a tad shorter, just by rearranging > >>>>> Same algorithm, shorter version: > > Make that: > > > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' perl -ne'sub{map$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}->($_)==26&&print' Wesley. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:11:53 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123150707.GA6606@delltop.blackstar.co.uk>; from Wesley Darlington on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:07:07PM +0000 References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150707.GA6606@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123151153.D13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:07:07PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > > perl -ne'sub{map$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}->($_)==26&&print' *gasps* we are not worthy. m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:16:07 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:01:26PM +0000 References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:01:26PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > sub m{1if ord($_)>64&&ord($_)<123}foreach(split'',shift){$true{$_}++if > m($_)}print %true==26?1:0 It has been pointed out to me that my variables have more than one letter. d'oh!!!!! here it is again... sub m{1if ord()>64&&ord()<123}foreach(split'',shift){$t{$_}++if m($_)}print %t==26?1:0 m. -- It was a two-way thing Not a three-day fling No secrets kept No truths betrayed From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:16:46 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:21:32 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:46PM +0000 References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123152132.A16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:46PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' > TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' Surely it ain't getting smaller than *that*?? And Steve has also pointed out to me that it was golf, not obfuscation. Not that mine was obfuscated. Whoodcha think I am, Dr. J?? m. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:25:25 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123152525.A22669@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:07PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > It has been pointed out to me that my variables have more than one > letter. And your 'for' has 7 characters... And I can't actually get this to work either ... can you post the actual command line version ... > sub m{1if ord()>64&&ord()<123}foreach(split'',shift){$t{$_}++if m($_)}print %t==26?1:0 Ta. Tony From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:35:08 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123153508.A23281@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:07PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > sub m{1if ord()>64&&ord()<123}foreach(split'',shift){$t{$_}++if m($_)}print %t==26?1:0 According the original challenge: > Your entries should behave in the same way as the above example: it > should print any input lines that are pangrams. I'm not convinced yours does that ... Tony From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:37:30 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123153730.A23280@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' AW: perl -pe'$x=$_;$_=(26==grep$x=~/$_/i,a..z)?$x:""' is the best I can do. I see there's lots more entries in so someone's probably beaten it by now. cheers Andrew From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:40:04 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123154004.B21618@soto.kasei.com> On Wed Jan 23 15:16:46 2002, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' > TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' No shorter, but weirder: MP: perl -ne'sub p{/$l/i&&p(++$l)+1}$l=a;p>25&&print' -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:42:08 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123152132.A16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123152132.A16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123154208.A23456@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:21:32PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' WD: perl -ne'sub{map$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}->($_)==26&&print' TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' > Surely it ain't getting smaller than *that*?? Not so sure. I still don't like the construction of it too much. Particularly the 'return' and the 'print'. I still think there's a better way hiding out there somewhere... > And Steve has also pointed out to me that it was golf, not obfuscation. A good golf score is rarely unobfuscated :) Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:43:35 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123153508.A23281@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:35:08PM +0000 References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123153508.A23281@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123154335.D16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:35:08PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:07PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > sub m{1if ord()>64&&ord()<123}foreach(split'',shift){$t{$_}++if m($_)}print %t==26?1:0 > > According the original challenge: > > > Your entries should behave in the same way as the above example: it > > should print any input lines that are pangrams. > > I'm not convinced yours does that ... What about.... perl -e 'sub m{1if ord()>64&&ord()<123}foreach(split"",shift){$t{$_}++if m($_)}print %t==26?1:0' "abcdeghijklnmopqrstuvwxyz" or have I missed the point again? m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From wesley at yelsew.com Wed Jan 23 09:43:49 2002 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:37:53PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:46PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/||undef$_}' perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/ or$_=""}' Wesley. From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:47:05 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154335.D16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123153508.A23281@soto.kasei.com> <20020123154335.D16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123154705.A23652@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:43:35PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > > Your entries should behave in the same way as the above example: it > > > should print any input lines that are pangrams. > > > > I'm not convinced yours does that ... > What about.... > > perl -e 'sub m{1if ord()>64&&ord()<123}foreach(split"",shift){$t{$_}++if > m($_)}print %t==26?1:0' "abcdeghijklnmopqrstuvwxyz" > or have I missed the point again? Your entry should run against a load of entries and print out the ones that are pangrams... i.e. create a file "data" that looks something like: the quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog the quick brown fox Jumps over the lazy dog This one shouldn't match abcdefghiJklmnopqrstuvwxyz Then run... perl < data and ensure it prints out lines 1,2 and 4... Tony From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:47:17 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123154717.A23719@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:37:54PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:16:46PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/||undef$_}' perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/||undef}' Andrew From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:49:32 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154717.A23719@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154717.A23719@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123154932.A23811@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:47:17PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/||undef}' Of course this doesn't work :-( Andrew From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:50:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154705.A23652@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:47:05PM +0000 References: <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123150126.C13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123151607.E13602@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123153508.A23281@soto.kasei.com> <20020123154335.D16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154705.A23652@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123155034.F16062@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:47:05PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > perl < data > > and ensure it prints out lines 1,2 and 4... *click* goes Marc's brain. ...and then he suffles off, muttering incoherently and inconsistently. m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Wed Jan 23 09:50:47 2002 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154932.A23811@soto.kasei.com>; from andrew@soto.kasei.com on Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:49:32PM +0000 References: <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154717.A23719@soto.kasei.com> <20020123154932.A23811@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123155047.A13398@blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:49:32PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:47:17PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/||undef}' > > Of course this doesn't work :-( > > Andrew If I'd known we could post one's that didn't work I have been well away! Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 23 09:56:53 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123155653.B23811@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:43:49PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/ or$_=""}' that doesn't match stuff with upper case letters. But damn impressive none the less. perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i or$_=""}' From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 10:01:33 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:24 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020123160133.A24197@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:43:49PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/ or$_=""}' Which of course doesn't work ... perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i or$_=""}' Tony From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 23 10:02:49 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <20020123154004.B21618@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020123024514.A27468@futureless.org> <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123154004.B21618@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020123160249.B23579@soto.kasei.com> On Wed Jan 23 15:40:04 2002, Marty Pauley wrote: > On Wed Jan 23 15:16:46 2002, Tony Bowden wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 02:50:31PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > MP: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}1}p($_)&&print' > > SR: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){return()unless$_[0]=~/$_/i}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -wnle 'sub p{for("a".."z"){$_[0]=~/$_/i||return}print}p($_)' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{grep$_[0]=~/$_/i,a..z}p($_)==26&&print' > > TB: perl -ne'sub p{for$i(a..z){/$i/i||return}print}p' > > No shorter, but weirder: > MP: perl -ne'sub p{/$l/i&&p(++$l)+1}$l=a;p>25&&print' And if we insist on strictness: MP: perl -Mstrict -ne'sub p{/$a/i&&p(++$a)+1}$a="a";p>25&&print' -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But damn impressive > none the less. Oops. > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i or$_=""}' Also (same length), perl -pe'for$i(a..z){$_=""if!/$i/i}' Wesley. From wesley at yelsew.com Thu Jan 24 08:36:40 2002 From: wesley at yelsew.com (Wesley Darlington) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: fwp golf game... Message-ID: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Hi All, Is anybody playing the fwp golf game? http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01203.html Wesley. (Who has far too much time on his hands today... :-) From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 24 08:51:32 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: fwp golf game... In-Reply-To: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk>; from Wesley Darlington on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:36:40PM +0000 References: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020124145132.N26591@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:36:40PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > Hi All, > > Is anybody playing the fwp golf game? > http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01203.html > > Wesley. (Who has far too much time on his hands today... :-) Err, I missed the point of it yesterday, on this local list, to do so on a grand scale would be......actually, a good idea.... And I take credit in being the only one yesterday *not* to use a regex. And having twice the number of keystrokes as everyone else. Hang on, that means I did it wrong, didn't it? right, I'll get me hat. m. -- I didn't have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 24 08:55:20 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: [upload@p11.speed-link.de: CPAN Upload: I/ID/IDORU/WWW-UsePerl-Journal-0.01.tar.gz] Message-ID: <20020124145520.A816@futureless.org> Skipped content of type multipart/mixed-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020124/314345de/attachment.bin From tony at kasei.com Thu Jan 24 11:25:15 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: fwp golf game... In-Reply-To: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020124172515.A5948@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:36:40PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > Is anybody playing the fwp golf game? > http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01203.html > Wesley. (Who has far too much time on his hands today... :-) I'm trying not to. I don't actually have time on my hands today, as quite a lot of yesterday's time seemed to disappear somewhere ... Tony From Belfast-PM at stripey.com Thu Jan 24 13:35:24 2002 From: Belfast-PM at stripey.com (Smylers) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram Message-ID: I don't get this mail at work, so I only started golfing yesterday after everybody else had finished. I didn't get anything spectacularly short, but the trouble is I don't understand why my attempt works! Here it is (with what I believe was the shortest working entry for comparison): perl -ne'@$_{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%$_>25&&print' # 40 perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i or$_=""}' # 36 It relies on the hashing sticking each letter of the alphabet in a separate bucket but upper- and lower-case versions of the same letter in the same bucket. This seems to work on 5.005_03; I haven't test it on anything else. But why does it still print the right thing at the end? This version works as expected: perl -ne'my%k;@k{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%k>25&&print' # 43 The my is needed to empty %k for each line (otherwise once a pangram is found, all subsequent lines are printed). I thought of using $_ as a pointer to the hash, since Perl is overwriting $_ each time through the loop anyway, so this works: perl -ne'$m=$_;@$_{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%$_>25&&print$m' # 48 $_ gets set to the current line, I preserve that in $m and use %$_ as the hash, printing out $m if appropriate. Except that $m isn't needed -- just printing $_ works. Despite being used in the middle of the line as a hash reference, it still has the text of the line in it, which I don't understand at all. In fact, in this: perl -nle'@$_{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%$_>25&&print"$_:".%$_' it's even possible to have Perl use $_ as a string, then me use it as a hash ref, then print the string, and then print the hash ref! Surely $_ should print "HASH(0x80d43dc)" or something? De-referencing $_ and re-referencing it again does print that: perl -nle'@$_{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%$_>25&&print"$_:".%$_.":".\%$_' Please can somebody explain what I'm missing here? Unrelated to that, somebody (sorry, I just expunged my inbox then realized I shouldn't've done cos I can't remember who) commented on all the solutions using regexps. Here's the shortest I came up with which doesn't: perl -naF\| -e'@$_{a..z}=1;delete@$_{map{lc}@F};%$_||print' # 59 Cheers. Smylers From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Fri Jan 25 03:42:35 2002 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: fwp golf game... In-Reply-To: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk>; from wesley@yelsew.com on Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:36:40PM +0000 References: <20020124143640.GA16025@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020125094235.A32136@blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 24, 2002 at 02:36:40PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > Hi All, > > Is anybody playing the fwp golf game? > http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01203.html > > Wesley. (Who has far too much time on his hands today... :-) Well I was playing last night and I'm scared at the low low scores people are getting! Sadly my score is way off the lead, and way behind Wesley's :( It's great for learning all sorts of perl though, so I'm going to keep at it. Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk I've given you so much rope you should have been hanging for days. From perl.belfast at kasei.com Fri Jan 25 10:18:41 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020125161841.A11718@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Jan 24 19:35:24 2002, Smylers wrote: > > perl -ne'@$_{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%$_>25&&print' # 40 > > It relies on the hashing sticking each letter of the alphabet in a > separate bucket but upper- and lower-case versions of the same letter in > the same bucket. This seems to work on 5.005_03; I haven't test it on > anything else. Fail my test with 5.6.1: the upper case letters don't quite work, although the lower case behaviour is the same. > But why does it still print the right thing at the end? This version > works as expected: > > perl -ne'my%k;@k{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%k>25&&print' # 43 And that version will run under strict; your previous version won't, and trying it should give a clue to why it works at all. > In fact, in this: > > perl -nle'@$_{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%$_>25&&print"$_:".%$_' > > it's even possible to have Perl use $_ as a string, then me use it as a > hash ref, then print the string, and then print the hash ref! Surely $_ > should print "HASH(0x80d43dc)" or something? No. You are using (evil) symbolic refererences. That is, if $_ contains the string "this is a test", then the name of your hash variable is effectivly %'this is a test'. > Please can somebody explain what I'm missing here? -Mstrict should explain it for you. Have fun! -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It was a discovery I made by chance and seemed exactly the sort of thing that shouldn't be relied upon. > > perl -ne'my%k;@k{/[a-z]/gi}=1;%k>25&&print' # 43 > > And that version will run under strict; your previous version won't, > and trying it should give a clue to why it works at all. ... You are > using (evil) symbolic refererences. That is, if $_ contains the > string "this is a test", then the name of your hash variable is > effectivly %'this is a test'. Oooh. I'd forgotten all about the existence of symbolic refs, never having seen the point of them, so forgot all about them when I used them by mistake. > -Mstrict should explain it for you. So it does! Ta. Smylers From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Sun Jan 27 11:31:31 2002 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: WWW::UsePerl::Journal Message-ID: ullo, just though you should take a look at: http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=WWW-UsePerl-Journal there are 2 fails on tests. -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- PGP key id: 0x3C79CF1D _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Jan 27 12:04:30 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: WWW::UsePerl::Journal In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020127180430.A9694@futureless.org> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 05:31:31PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > just though you should take a look at: > http://search.cpan.org/search?dist=WWW-UsePerl-Journal I know. I was writing a mail to the group wondering why. If you go to http://testers.cpan.org/search?request=dist&dist=WWW-UsePerl-Journal you'll get more information. The thing is that I don't know if they were caused just because I didn't write a good test harness, or if there is an actual bug in my program. Anyone care to enlighten me? The error seems to be thrown from Test::Builder, but afaik I'm using Test::More. What's going on here, other than my lack of knowledge of the test harness being shown...? Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Enjoy yourself. This is of utmost importance. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Tho not the night of the vintage motorcycle society AGM, not any night Val is working, nor tomorrow as it is Book Night in the school, not the day that motorcycle show is on the odessy, or the autojumble in ballymena, or before i get paid, due to being broke, or indeed on...... heel, it sounds like i am getting old and responsible and commited to things. Don't believe a word of it.... and I reread this, a first for me, and couldn't be bothered fixing the spelling mistakes, as the children need a bath, which will stop them bouncing on the blow-up matress in the living room, which is where I am typing this, and it looks like they are about to kill themselves, or me, or the cat.... pah. offski, you bother me. m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From tony at kasei.com Sun Jan 27 13:37:39 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: WWW::UsePerl::Journal In-Reply-To: <20020127180430.A9694@futureless.org> References: <20020127180430.A9694@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020127193739.A24565@soto.kasei.com> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 06:04:30PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > http://testers.cpan.org/search?request=dist&dist=WWW-UsePerl-Journal > The thing is that I don't know if they were caused just because I didn't > write a good test harness, or if there is an actual bug in my program. > Anyone care to enlighten me? Seems to be some of each :) Firstly, you don't really need tests like: isnt($UID, undef, "getUID returns defined"); isnt($UID, "", "getUID doesn't return empty string"); is($UID, 1413, "getUID gets the right ID"); The third test implies the first 2 anyway ... if it's 1413, then it can't be undef or the empty string ... Then my @entries = $j->getEntryList($username); isnt($#entries, 0, "getEntryList got more than one entry"); isn't doing what you think. If @entries is empty, as it is when I run the test, $#entries is -1. You can just use: isnt (scalar @entries, 0, "getEntryList got more than one entry"); It seems that this array is empty because your pattern match is wrong when scanning the list of all journal entries. I think the journal urls have changed: they're now like http://use.perl.org/~russell/journal/2340/ > The error seems to be thrown from Test::Builder, but afaik I'm using > Test::More. What's going on here, other than my lack of knowledge of the > test harness being shown...? Test::More uses Test::Builder. You can blame Schwern on the confusing error messages ;) As regards the module itself - every 'method' takes an initial argument of the username ... so you may wish to consider making it part of the constructor instead... Then you could have an interface like: use WWW::UsePerl::Journal; my $j = WWW::UsePerl::Journal->new("russell") my %journal = $j->journal_entries; foreach (keys %journal) { my $content = $j->fetch($_); # or my $content = $journal->fetch_by_name($j{$_}) } The guts of this would be something like: use strict; use vars qw($VERSION); use LWP::Simple; use constant UP_URL => 'http://use.perl.org'; $VERSION = '0.02'; sub new { my $class = shift; my $user = shift or die "We need a user"; my $self = bless { user => $user }, $class; return $self; } sub user { shift->{user} } sub uid { my $self = shift; $self->{_uid} ||= do { my $user = $self->user; my $content = get(UP_URL . "/~$user/") or die "Cannot connect to Use Perl"; $content =~ /User Info for $user \((\d+)\)/ism or die "$user does not exist"; $1; } } sub journal_entries { my $self = shift; $self->{_entries} ||= do { my $UID = $self->uid; my $content = get(UP_URL . "/journal.pl?op=list&uid=" . $self->uid) or die "Cannot fetch journal entry list"; [ map m#/journal/(\d+)/">(.*?)#, split /\n/, $content ]; }; return @{$self->{_entries}}; } I'll leave fetch as an exercise ;) Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Jan 27 15:55:47 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: WWW::UsePerl::Journal In-Reply-To: <20020127193739.A24565@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020127180430.A9694@futureless.org> <20020127193739.A24565@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020127215547.A13044@futureless.org> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 07:37:39PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > Firstly, you don't really need tests like: I subtly reused [0] the tests that Andrew created for Text::Echelon which did this sort of thing. > The third test implies the first 2 anyway ... if it's 1413, then it > can't be undef or the empty string ... Yes. I'm going to rewrite the tests now. I might change the interfaces too, since it is still only 0.01. > Then > my @entries = $j->getEntryList($username); > isnt($#entries, 0, "getEntryList got more than one entry"); > > isn't doing what you think. Why doesn't that surprise me :) > If @entries is empty, as it is when I run the test, $#entries is -1. > You can just use: > > isnt (scalar @entries, 0, "getEntryList got more than one entry"); Good. I'll do that. I'll read the perldoc too sometime... > It seems that this array is empty because your pattern match is wrong > when scanning the list of all journal entries. I think the journal urls > have changed: they're now like > http://use.perl.org/~russell/journal/2340/ Ah, I didn't know of this interface before. The old one still seems to work though, so the test should pass, when rewritten at least... > Test::More uses Test::Builder. You can blame Schwern on the confusing > error messages ;) Schwern... Surely none of his code would throw crazy error messages! > As regards the module itself - every 'method' takes an initial argument > of the username ... so you may wish to consider making it part of the > constructor instead... This would let me cache the output of, eg, getUID too. How excellent. Now I remember why OO is useful... > The guts of this would be something like: Great. I'm going to give it an overhaul before I go to bed tonight. 0.02 will also include writing ability, thanks to an Iain Truskett, who mailed me the necessary code shortly after release. Thanks Iain! Cheers for the code review, I'm hopefully learning something from all this awful code I'm outputting... [0] Brainlessly. 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The old one still seems to > work though, so the test should pass, when rewritten at least... Oops. ISWYM. Fixed in tonight's release... Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | I'll remove the cause russell@futureless.org | but not the symptoms PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020127/1419f6ba/attachment.bin From steve at narnian.org Sun Jan 27 17:33:54 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit Message-ID: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Hello, I've read the docs about Mail::Audit and apparently once you 'accept' a mail into a mailbox, it leaves the pogram and nothing else can be done with it. I want to file particular mail into 2 mailboxes, but because of the above reason, I can't think of a way to do this. Does anyone have any ideas? -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From bazza at bazza.com Sun Jan 27 17:34:57 2002 From: bazza at bazza.com (barry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> References: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020127233457.GA2125@bazza.com> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 11:33:54PM +0000, Steve Foy mumbled: yes :) $incoming = Mail::Audit->new ( noexit => 1 ); then exit DELIVERED; when you're done with it > I've read the docs about Mail::Audit and apparently once you 'accept' a > mail into a mailbox, it leaves the pogram and nothing else can be done > with it. I want to file particular mail into 2 mailboxes, but because of > the above reason, I can't think of a way to do this. > > Does anyone have any ideas? > -- > Steve Foy > steve@narnian.org > -- -Barry Hughes Never laugh at live dragons. -- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit"] http://bazza.com/ From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Jan 27 17:42:16 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> References: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020127234216.G13044@futureless.org> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 11:33:54PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > I've read the docs about Mail::Audit and apparently once you 'accept' a > mail into a mailbox, it leaves the pogram and nothing else can be done > with it. I want to file particular mail into 2 mailboxes, but because of > the above reason, I can't think of a way to do this. Save it to another mailbox before you accept it...? (Why do you want it in two mailboxes?!) Disclaimer: I've only used Mail::Audit briefly on a backup box, and still use procmail for my main mailfeed. -- Russell Matbouli | There is only one difference between a madman and me. russell@futureless.org | I am not mad. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -- Salvador Dali -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I want to file particular mail into 2 mailboxes, but because of > > the above reason, I can't think of a way to do this. > Save it to another mailbox before you accept it...? > (Why do you want it in two mailboxes?!) just to clarify, the reason I've done this, is for BLUG, need to save one copy of each mail to my blug mailbox, then pass one to mhonarc for archival :) -- -Barry Hughes Never laugh at live dragons. -- Bilbo Baggins [J.R.R. Tolkien, "The Hobbit"] http://bazza.com/ From andrew-dated-1012608973.38d801 at rivendale.net Sun Jan 27 18:16:12 2002 From: andrew-dated-1012608973.38d801 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: WWW::UsePerl::Journal In-Reply-To: <20020127215547.A13044@futureless.org> References: <20020127180430.A9694@futureless.org> <20020127193739.A24565@soto.kasei.com> <20020127215547.A13044@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020128001612.GA1025@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 09:55:47PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 07:37:39PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > Firstly, you don't really need tests like: > > I subtly reused [0] the tests that Andrew created for Text::Echelon > which did this sort of thing. Ok, I've looked at my tests and there were reasons why I did that. > > The third test implies the first 2 anyway ... if it's 1413, then it > > can't be undef or the empty string ... > > Yes. I'm going to rewrite the tests now. I might change the interfaces > too, since it is still only 0.01. In the code I was testing, the return was not as easy to pin down. it could have been asingle word or a phrase. Any damn string at all except the empty string and undef. That's why I tested those two conditions on the first method. If you look at the tests for the later methods where I know what I'm expecting back, I check for it explicitly. Sorry if I confused you with that. I didn't realy explain what i was testing and why. cheers Andrew From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Jan 27 18:13:21 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20020128000453.GA2824@bazza.com> References: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020127234216.G13044@futureless.org> <20020128000453.GA2824@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20020128001321.J13044@futureless.org> On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 12:04:54AM +0000, barry wrote: > just to clarify, the reason I've done this, is for BLUG, need to save one copy > of each mail to my blug mailbox, then pass one to mhonarc for archival :) I think we saw your mhonarc ("monarch" ;) script at a previous meeting and it looked fairly disgusting, the odd shaped flaming hoops you had to jump through to make it work... -- Russell Matbouli | There is only one difference between a madman and me. russell@futureless.org | I am not mad. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -- Salvador Dali -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020128/23e0aa10/attachment.bin From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Sun Jan 27 18:23:20 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: WWW::UsePerl::Journal In-Reply-To: <20020128001612.GA1025@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <20020127180430.A9694@futureless.org> <20020127193739.A24565@soto.kasei.com> <20020127215547.A13044@futureless.org> <20020128001612.GA1025@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020128002320.K13044@futureless.org> On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 12:16:12AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > In the code I was testing, the return was not as easy to pin down. it > could have been asingle word or a phrase. Any damn string at all > except the empty string and undef. That's why I tested those two > conditions on the first method. If you look at the tests for the > later methods where I know what I'm expecting back, I check for it > explicitly. Yes. I figured this out. My laziness was false laziness. As soon as Tony pointed out these tests, I realised that they didn't mean much in this context, and they were being used to test for ... more unpredictable output as it was in Text::Echelon. > Sorry if I confused you with that. I didn't realy explain what i was > testing and why. It served me right for trying to fit my square brick into the circular hole that you'd provided :) -- Russell Matbouli | I know I believe in nothing russell@futureless.org | but it is my nothing PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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(By Linus Torvalds, Linus.Torvalds@cs.helsinki.fi) http://bazza.com/ From steve at narnian.org Mon Jan 28 03:01:02 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Mail::Audit In-Reply-To: <20020127233457.GA2125@bazza.com>; from bazza@bazza.com on Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 11:34:57PM +0000 References: <20020127233354.A30781@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020127233457.GA2125@bazza.com> Message-ID: <20020128090102.A32304@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> thinking it was tuck's boxer shorts again, barry proclaimed: > On Sun, Jan 27, 2002 at 11:33:54PM +0000, Steve Foy mumbled: > > yes :) > > $incoming = Mail::Audit->new ( noexit => 1 ); > then > > exit DELIVERED; > > when you're done with it Cheers :) -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From jasper at guideguide.com Mon Jan 28 05:01:24 2002 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram References: <20020123034445.GA10440@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020123034851.A27844@futureless.org> <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123155653.B23811@soto.kasei.com> <20020123162900.GA8115@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <3C552F84.643647B5@guideguide.com> Wesley Darlington wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:56:53PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > On Wed, Jan 23, 2002 at 03:43:49PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/ or$_=""}' > > > > that doesn't match stuff with upper case letters. But damn impressive > > none the less. > > Oops. > > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i or$_=""}' > > Also (same length), > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){$_=""if!/$i/i}' > > Wesley. err.. I've been on holiday, but why not save 3 characters with: perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i||die}' Jasper -- It's like you're dreamin' about Gorgonzola cheese when it's clearly Brie time, baby From andrew at soto.kasei.com Mon Jan 28 05:19:31 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <3C552F84.643647B5@guideguide.com> References: <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123155653.B23811@soto.kasei.com> <20020123162900.GA8115@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <3C552F84.643647B5@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20020128111931.A29225@soto.kasei.com> On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 11:01:24AM +0000, Jasper McCrea wrote: > Wesley Darlington wrote: > > Also (same length), > > > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){$_=""if!/$i/i}' > > > > Wesley. > > err.. I've been on holiday, but why not save 3 characters with: > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i||die}' Perhaps because it does the wrong thing?[0]. Your version bums out the first time it fails, it should ignore the phrase and move silently onto the next one. cheers Andrew [0] Are you sure you haven't been talking to Marc? ;-) From tony at kasei.com Mon Jan 28 05:24:34 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Lingua::Pangram In-Reply-To: <3C552F84.643647B5@guideguide.com> References: <20020123135156.B20502@soto.kasei.com> <20020123141423.A26441@blackstar.co.uk> <20020123143417.A21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123145031.B21450@soto.kasei.com> <20020123151646.A22236@soto.kasei.com> <20020123153753.GA6894@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123154349.GA7108@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <20020123155653.B23811@soto.kasei.com> <20020123162900.GA8115@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> <3C552F84.643647B5@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20020128112434.A29320@soto.kasei.com> On Mon, Jan 28, 2002 at 11:01:24AM +0000, Jasper McCrea wrote: > > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){$_=""if!/$i/i}' > err.. I've been on holiday, but why not save 3 characters with: > perl -pe'for$i(a..z){/$i/i||die}' Cos then it won't print any more lines after the first one that doesn't match? Tony From karen at martian.org Mon Jan 28 10:37:44 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Venue for Extreme Perl Talk - Thursday 7th February Message-ID: <20020128163744.C31236@soto.kasei.com> Hello, The Extreme Perl talk will take place in the City of Belfast YMCA ( 12 Wellington Place) at 7 pm, Thursday 7th February. -- Karen From support at blackjackshack.com Mon Jan 28 14:21:23 2002 From: support at blackjackshack.com (support@blackjackshack.com) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Worlds First Player vs Player Blackjack Message-ID: <038c00602221c12STATION@station.blackjackstation.com> This message can only be viewed in HTML -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:28:19 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk>; from Terrential on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > Hello, I've got another problem. > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > some sort of reg exp?? use Apache; my $r = Apache->request; my $hn = $r->hostname; -- Thank you for expressing an interest in this sig From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:30:10 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk>; from Terrential on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129113010.A7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > Hello, I've got another problem. > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > some sort of reg exp?? use Apache; my $what_you_want = Apache->request->hostname; as I think I trashed my last mail after/before/during sending. d'oh. m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From schwern at pobox.com Tue Jan 29 05:35:48 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129113548.GA12351@blackrider> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > Hello, I've got another problem. > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > some sort of reg exp?? Have a look at the URI module. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Kids - don't try this at--oh, hell, go ahead, give it a whirl... From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:36:44 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from Stray Toaster on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:28:19AM +0000 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129113644.B7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:28:19AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: arse. It did work the first time. Pay no attention to that gibbering fool, jibber-jabbing while drinking his milk and wanting to be on the jazz. (That sounds worse than it is, but so be it.) m. -- I didn't have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:38:09 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129113548.GA12351@blackrider>; from Michael G Schwern on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:35:48AM -0500 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129113548.GA12351@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020129113809.C7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:35:48AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > > Hello, I've got another problem. > > > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > > some sort of reg exp?? > > Have a look at the URI module. OK, so if you aren't using Apache, this is the way to go. I like URI.pm, and have used it in production code. (Note: I never said good code, I just said production code.) m. -- Someone in this town Is trying to burn the Playhouse down They want to stop the ones who want A rock to wind a string around From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:38:12 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (duggie-belfast-pm@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129113010.A7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:30:10AM +0000 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129113010.A7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129113812.A23039@blackstar.co.uk> On (29/01/02 11:30), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > > Hello, I've got another problem. > > > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > > some sort of reg exp?? > > use Apache; > > my $what_you_want = Apache->request->hostname; > > as I think I trashed my last mail after/before/during sending. d'oh. It would appear to have been 'after'. Duggie -- "I love my brick." - Father Jack Hackett From schwern at pobox.com Tue Jan 29 05:41:21 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:28:19AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > > Hello, I've got another problem. > > > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > > some sort of reg exp?? > > use Apache; > > my $r = Apache->request; > > my $hn = $r->hostname; This is sort of like cleaning your gutters with a fire hose. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One MERV GRIFFIN! From tony at kasei.com Tue Jan 29 05:41:46 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129114146.A11440@soto.kasei.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:19:09AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > some sort of reg exp?? Why a reg exp? The easiest way is: URI->new($url)->host If you need a regular expression, will the protocol always be http? Tony From tony at kasei.com Tue Jan 29 05:43:30 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129114330.B11440@soto.kasei.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:28:19AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > say i have a url: http://www.terrential.com/ecards/ecard.pl > > is there anyway that i can get the www.terrential.com bit on its own thru > > some sort of reg exp?? > use Apache; > my $r = Apache->request; > my $hn = $r->hostname; This only works for a tiny subset of problems that the question may have been addressing ... (consider if the question had started "A user has entered the url of their homepage into a form ...") Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:43:47 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider>; from Michael G Schwern on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:41:21AM -0500 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020129114347.D7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:41:21AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > This is sort of like cleaning your gutters with a fire hose. eh? Not entirely sure what this insult is supposed to mean. Of course, if this is your attempt at being funny, then that has failed as well. m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From schwern at pobox.com Tue Jan 29 05:53:55 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129114347.D7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129114347.D7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129115355.GD12351@blackrider> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:43:47AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:41:21AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > > > This is sort of like cleaning your gutters with a fire hose. > > eh? Not entirely sure what this insult is supposed to mean. Its overkill. > Of course, if this is your attempt at being funny, then that has > failed as well. Its 7am on this side of the pond, funny doesn't start until at least noon. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One An official "I want James Earl Jones' cock up my ass" t-shirt. http://www.goats/com/archive/010303.html From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Tue Jan 29 05:55:17 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129114347.D7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:43:47AM +0000 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129114347.D7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020129115517.C23793@blackstar.co.uk> On (29/01/02 11:43), Stray Toaster wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:41:21AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > > > This is sort of like cleaning your gutters with a fire hose. More Power! Duggie -- "The cat doesn't even have opposable thumbs, Focker!" - Meet The Parents From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 06:03:38 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129114330.B11440@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:43:30AM +0000 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114330.B11440@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020129120338.E7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:43:30AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > use Apache; > > my $r = Apache->request; > > my $hn = $r->hostname; > > This only works for a tiny subset of problems that the question may have > been addressing ... (consider if the question had started "A user has > entered the url of their homepage into a form ...") Ah yes, this occured to me rather belatedly. Hohum. But then, it wasn't really defined in the question, was it? And I can't check, as I have deleted the original mail. Not that I am getting defensive of owt, but I think I will hang back on answering these things in future to hide my ignorance. See that flautist over there, the one that does ventriloquism (sic)? He is the King's best flute player. m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From andrew at soto.kasei.com Tue Jan 29 06:22:47 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:41:21AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > This is sort of like cleaning your gutters with a fire hose. You know. I read this as cleaning your guitars[0] with a fire hose cheers Andrew [0] which would also be a bad thing :-/ From schwern at pobox.com Tue Jan 29 07:31:18 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 12:22:47PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:41:21AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > This is sort of like cleaning your gutters with a fire hose. > > You know. I read this as cleaning your guitars[0] with a fire hose > > Andrew > > [0] which would also be a bad thing :-/ Can't be any worse than playing your guitar with a drill. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One It's Tobacco time! From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 07:34:14 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider>; from Michael G Schwern on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0500 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020129133414.G7107@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Can't be any worse than playing your guitar with a drill. This is true. When Schwern sat opposite me, most of his music did sound like a guitar being played with a drill. m. -- Someone in this town Is trying to burn the Playhouse down They want to stop the ones who want A rock to wind a string around From paddy at earth.li Tue Jan 29 07:47:11 2002 From: paddy at earth.li (Patrick Moore) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider>; from schwern@pobox.com on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0500 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020129134711.C12886@the.earth.li> Hewoo Belfast, * On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0500, Michael G Schwern said: > > You know. I read this as cleaning your guitars[0] with a fire hose > > > > [0] which would also be a bad thing :-/ > Can't be any worse than playing your guitar with a drill. I dunno.. depends ;) Lets say I've seen the later done as a joke (some strange bloke with six plecs taped to a strange bit for high speed picking..). erk. * paddy hides. -- Wannabee Guitarist | beLIEve! | '94 US Stratocaster| | '99 Lowden O-12 | brought to you by the letter I and the number 4 | From jasper at guideguide.com Tue Jan 29 08:12:27 2002 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: fwp golf game... Message-ID: <3C56ADCB.8109F9EB@guideguide.com> Garsh.. Congratulations to young Mr Darlington on not letting the Belfast.pm side down here. http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01315.html and http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01314.html for the solutions. 6th place - jesus. Although, looking at the number of solutions he submitted, he must have been at it for a while :) Jasper -- Homer: Got any of that beer that has candy floating in it? You know, Skittlebrau? Apu: Such a beer does not exist, sir. I think you must have dreamed it. Homer: Oh. Well, then just give me a six-pack and a couple of bags of Skittles. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Tue Jan 29 08:22:23 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: fwp golf game... In-Reply-To: <3C56ADCB.8109F9EB@guideguide.com>; from Jasper McCrea on Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:12:27PM +0000 References: <3C56ADCB.8109F9EB@guideguide.com> Message-ID: <20020129142223.A8423@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 02:12:27PM +0000, Jasper McCrea wrote: > Garsh.. > > Congratulations to young Mr Darlington on not letting the Belfast.pm side > down here. > > http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01315.html > and > http://archive.develooper.com/fwp@perl.org/msg01314.html > > for the solutions. > > 6th place - jesus. Although, looking at the number of solutions he > submitted, he must have been at it for a while :) We were disappointed at your show, Mr McCrea. Expected better. Of course, my two sub recurisve one didn't work, so who am I to say? m. -- I have learned there are troubles of more than one kind Some come from ahead and some come from behind But I've bought a big bat I'm all ready, you see Now my troubles are going to have troubles with ME! From karen at martian.org Tue Jan 29 12:23:58 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Venue for Damian's Two Evening Talks Next Week Message-ID: <20020129182358.I19042@soto.kasei.com> I know I sent out an email yesterday about using the YMCA in Belfast on the Thursday night but we now have a much better venue. BT have very kindly offered us the use of their customer events area of the Riverside Tower in Belfast. This is a very central location and comes complete with the required Net access and Video Projector. It also means that we are not limited to 20 or so people for the talks as the room they have can hold much more than that. The talks will start at 7 O'clock. Look forward to seeing everyone there, -- Karen From andrew at soto.kasei.com Tue Jan 29 12:55:49 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Venue for Damian's Two Evening Talks Next Week In-Reply-To: <20020129182358.I19042@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020129182358.I19042@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020129185549.A22358@soto.kasei.com> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 06:23:58PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > I know I sent out an email yesterday about using the YMCA in Belfast on > the Thursday night but we now have a much better venue. > > BT have very kindly offered us the use of their customer events area of > the Riverside Tower in Belfast. This is a very central location and > comes complete with the required Net access and Video Projector. > > It also means that we are not limited to 20 or so people for the talks > as the room they have can hold much more than that. The talks will > start at 7 O'clock. You haven't explicitly stated it[0], you've sortof danced round it. Are the Monday and Thursday night talks now both in the BT facility at 7:00 pm? cheers Andrew [0] Once more for the hard of understanding please. From andrew-dated-1012773780.9572a0 at rivendale.net Tue Jan 29 16:02:59 2002 From: andrew-dated-1012773780.9572a0 at rivendale.net (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020129220259.GA997@gandalf.rivendale.net> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > Can't be any worse than playing your guitar with a drill. I have an album with a song on it where teh guitarist and bass player both play with electric drills. What was your point again? cheers Andrew From phoenix3051 at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 29 17:45:45 2002 From: phoenix3051 at ntlworld.com (Patrick Dempster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Learning Perl Message-ID: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Hi Folks, I've been playing around with perl for a while but I am still finding the syntax a bit strange (coming from a assembly/C/Java/VB background) and I'm wondering if you guys can point me in the right direction for beginners tutorials / books. Thanks, Patrick From andrew at soto.kasei.com Tue Jan 29 18:34:59 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:25 2004 Subject: Learning Perl In-Reply-To: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: <20020130003459.A23592@soto.kasei.com> Hi Patrick On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:45:45PM +0000, Patrick Dempster wrote: > I've been playing around with perl for a while but I am still finding the > syntax a bit strange (coming from a assembly/C/Java/VB background) and I'm > wondering if you guys can point me in the right direction for beginners > tutorials / books. I'm going to be boringly predictable here[0] and recommend Learning Perl[1] which is published by O'Reilly & Associates. The second book that you should read is also published by O'Reilly it's Programming Perl[2]. These are the quintessential perl books. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lperl3/ http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/pperl3/ Good online reasources, you should check out www.perl.com cheers Andrew [0] For anyone who knows perl books anyway [1] More commonly known as the lama because it has a picture of one on its cover [2] the cammel (see[1]) -- leaving some scope for others to recommend other stuff. From phoenix3051 at ntlworld.com Tue Jan 29 19:40:11 2002 From: phoenix3051 at ntlworld.com (Patrick Dempster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning Perl In-Reply-To: <20020130003459.A23592@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020130003459.A23592@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130014005.VYIP7206.mta05-svc.ntlworld.com@there> On Wednesday 30 January 2002 12:34 am, Andrew Wilson wrote: > http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/lperl3/ Just ordered it up from amazon. ;-). I guess I'll not need the second one until I make my way through this one, so I guess that one will have to be added to my wishlist. > Good online reasources, you should check out www.perl.com Thanks again, having a look'see at the minute. Thanks, Patrick From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 04:19:10 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo Message-ID: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Do I have your attention? Good. Sitting here today, after the fun of the golfing last week, it has been decided that we should have an obfuscated perl competition. This is the consultatory stage. We need rules before we start, such as: How long will it run for? Who judges the winner? Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) And other questions that Steve mentioned to me there now but I have forgotten in my post-greasy breakfast funk. go on, thoughts welcome. And even thoughts on the compo. And for those who thought that last weeks reimplement Russell's code was bonkers, be warned: It is addictive. And you learn an awful lot. m. -- And I find it kinda funny And I find it kinda sad These dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've everhad From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 04:21:17 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning Perl In-Reply-To: <20020130003459.A23592@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> <20020130003459.A23592@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130102117.A25691@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:34:59AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > [2] the cammel I'll see your silk pajama, and raise you a tin of silk enamel ... Tony From steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk Wed Jan 30 04:25:30 2002 From: steve-pmbelfast at blackstar.co.uk (Steve Rushe) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:19:10AM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130102529.A15524@blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:19:10AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > Sitting here today, after the fun of the golfing last week, it has been > decided that we should have an obfuscated perl competition. > > This is the consultatory stage. We need rules before we start, such as: > > How long will it run for? A month? 2 weeks? Who knows? > Who judges the winner? We could let one poor fool do it, or we could all chip in at the end. I favour the group decision as that lets everyone have a go. > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) I'll let everyone else pick up on the obvious mistake here! > And for those who thought that last weeks reimplement Russell's code was > bonkers, be warned: It is addictive. And you learn an awful lot. Uuum, perl golf! Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk Space is cold, home is colder when you come home at night and there's nobody here. From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 04:28:37 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:19:10AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > How long will it run for? One week. > Who judges the winner? The list? > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) I think that you should have to print No ... that's intellectually corrupt!! Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 04:32:13 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:28:37AM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:28:37AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) > > I think that you should have to print > No ... that's intellectually corrupt!! As I get older, the more intellectual corruptness I come across, the more I succumb to its hazy charms. OK, can we stop with the intellectually corrupt jokes now? It was a valid phrase, in context, pilliared by those who where there at the time. *sighs* One of these days I will learn to think before speaking... m. -- And I find it kinda funny And I find it kinda sad These dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've everhad From schwern at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 04:33:46 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020129220259.GA997@gandalf.rivendale.net> References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> <20020129220259.GA997@gandalf.rivendale.net> Message-ID: <20020130103345.GB654@blackrider> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 10:02:59PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 08:31:18AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Can't be any worse than playing your guitar with a drill. > > I have an album with a song on it where teh guitarist and bass player > both play with electric drills. > > What was your point again? Good jobs at good wages. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Let me check my notes. http://www.sluggy.com From andrew at soto.kasei.com Wed Jan 30 04:44:39 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:19:10AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > How long will it run for? > Who judges the winner? > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) Is it me? is no even remotely a sensible answer to that question? Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say mango chutney.) cheers Andrew From schwern at pobox.com Wed Jan 30 04:50:51 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning Perl In-Reply-To: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: <20020130105050.GC654@blackrider> On Tue, Jan 29, 2002 at 11:45:45PM +0000, Patrick Dempster wrote: > Hi Folks, > > I've been playing around with perl for a while but I am still finding the > syntax a bit strange (coming from a assembly/C/Java/VB background) and I'm > wondering if you guys can point me in the right direction for beginners > tutorials / books. I'd recommend "Learning Perl" but that might be a little too simplistic since you already know how to program. You might be able to jump straight to "Programming Perl". Other good learning books would be: "Beginning Perl" by Simon Cozens [2] "Elements of Programming Perl" [3] "Teach Yourself Perl In 24 Hours" by Clinton Pierce [1] [1] NOT "Teach Yourself Perl In 21 Days" or in fact any other book by SAMS. [2] Can't miss it. Its big, red and has Simon's grinning mug on the cover. [3] Assuming you enjoy reading about Literate Programming. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One Some like elmers glue but it needs reapplying. I use super glue. -- tlk From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 04:51:40 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Hello again In-Reply-To: <20020130103345.GB654@blackrider>; from Michael G Schwern on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 05:33:46AM -0500 References: <007b01c1a8b7$2934eb20$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020129112819.A6445@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020129114120.GC12351@blackrider> <20020129122247.C11549@soto.kasei.com> <20020129133118.GE12351@blackrider> <20020129220259.GA997@gandalf.rivendale.net> <20020130103345.GB654@blackrider> Message-ID: <20020130105140.D22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 05:33:46AM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote: > > Good jobs at good wages. Up the workers! Bring down the government! bah. m. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 04:52:00 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130105200.A26814@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:32:13AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > OK, can we stop with the intellectually corrupt jokes now? It was a > valid phrase, in context, pilliared by those who where there at the > time. But it makes for a great obfuscated Perl contest. You can even get bonus marks if your solution does something with fractally dimensioned mazes... > *sighs* One of these days I will learn to think before speaking... Is someone taking odds on this? ;) Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 04:55:41 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com>; from Andrew Wilson on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:44:39AM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:44:39AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:19:10AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > How long will it run for? > > Who judges the winner? > > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) > > Is it me? is no even remotely a sensible answer to that question? > > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say mango > chutney.) OK, I am going to point out that 'no' is a valid answer for that question. And what is to stop me saying no anyhow? Eh? Does that reply even have to be related to the question before? Could not the parentheses be used as a dramatic tool to show that I was saying sub voce 'no' to something else? And piss off, you knew what I meant. All sentances are ambiguous. Or statements. Or something. All somethings are ambiguous. OK, I'll get me hat. Again. m. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 04:57:40 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl Message-ID: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Just a plug for a fave site of mine.... http://www.howstuffworks.com/perl.htm m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From karen at martian.org Wed Jan 30 05:26:35 2002 From: karen at martian.org (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Venue for Damian's Two Evening Talks Next Week In-Reply-To: <20020129182358.I19042@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020129182358.I19042@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130112635.E27126@soto.kasei.com> Hello, On Tue Jan 29 18:23:58 2002, Karen Pauley wrote: > I know I sent out an email yesterday about using the YMCA in Belfast on > the Thursday night but we now have a much better venue. > > BT have very kindly offered us the use of their customer events area of > the Riverside Tower in Belfast. This is a very central location and > comes complete with the required Net access and Video Projector. Andrew has pointed out that my message is hard to understand. So, just to make it clear... Both meetings next week will take place at BT's Riverside Tower. -- Karen From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 05:27:41 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:55:41AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > All sentances are ambiguous. Or statements. Or something. All > somethings > are ambiguous. Can we have an obfuscated English contest? Or is it a foregone conclusion that Marc would win? Tony From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 05:32:14 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning Perl In-Reply-To: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> References: <20020129234539.QWKJ8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@there> Message-ID: <20020130113214.A27428@soto.kasei.com> Hello On Tue Jan 29 23:45:45 2002, Patrick Dempster wrote: > I've been playing around with perl for a while but I am still finding the > syntax a bit strange (coming from a assembly/C/Java/VB background) Some of the Perl syntax must be familiar: some of it was stolen straight from C. -- Marty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 05:59:54 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130114842.H22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com> <20020130114842.H22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130115954.A28767@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:48:42AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > hurrah! what is my prize?!! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005J8D3/104-5641612-6799150 ? Tony From steve at blackstar.co.uk Wed Jan 30 05:59:38 2002 From: steve at blackstar.co.uk (steve@blackstar.co.uk) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com>; from tony@kasei.com on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:27:41AM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130115938.A5431@blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:27:41AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:55:41AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > All sentances are ambiguous. Or statements. Or something. All > > somethings > > are ambiguous. > > Can we have an obfuscated English contest? > > Or is it a foregone conclusion that Marc would win? Just to keep everyone scared, Marc is at his most coherent when he's posting to the list. In work he just gibbers, as you'll soon find out :) Steve -- Steve Rushe - www.deeden.co.uk And we say there's not enough black in the union jack And we say there's too much white in the stars and stripes From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 06:17:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130115954.A28767@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:59:54AM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com> <20020130114842.H22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130115954.A28767@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130121734.A23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:59:54AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 11:48:42AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > hurrah! what is my prize?!! > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005J8D3/104-5641612-6799150 ? Availability: THIS ITEM IS CURRENTLY NOT AVAILABLE. gawks-a-mighty! Now what do I do? And I will say it again, and the context is comedy double acts: I am fed up being the straight man. m. -- I have learned there are troubles of more than one kind Some come from ahead and some come from behind But I've bought a big bat I'm all ready, you see Now my troubles are going to have troubles with ME! From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Wed Jan 30 06:18:32 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Venue for Damian's Two Evening Talks Next Week Message-ID: Karen said: > Both meetings next week will take place at BT's Riverside Tower. Is it still necessary to let you know if we plan to attend? If it is - I'd like to go please, both nights. If its not - please disregard the last sentence. Thanking you Pete From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 30 06:34:01 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:57:40AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > Just a plug for a fave site of mine.... > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/perl.htm But the question was about learning Perl, not PERL. They seem to know what PERL is about though, saying things like: "One of the bad things about PERL is that much of this free code is impossible to understand." "PERL lends itself to an unbelievably cryptic style!" Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | Please could you stop the noise russell@futureless.org | I'm trying to get some rest PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | From all the unborn chicken voices in my head -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020130/da961b44/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 06:59:08 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org>; from Russell Matbouli on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:34:01PM +0000 References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:34:01PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > But the question was about learning Perl, not PERL. They seem to know > what PERL is about though, saying things like: > > "One of the bad things about PERL is that much of this free code is > impossible to understand." > > "PERL lends itself to an unbelievably cryptic style!" And? Your point here? It is a fantastic site, and really good for knowing what the tappets on your bike are really there for, and what to do with the extra bit when you pulled them apart. > PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | From all the unborn chicken voices in my head ^^^^^^^ before I go back and listen to the song, this reminds me of a great pub game, the old 'misheard lyrics' drinking game. There is no reason for that, I just wanted to share. m. -- Thank you for expressing an interest in this sig From swm at swmcc.com Wed Jan 30 07:03:53 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:32:13AM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:32:13AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:28:37AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > > > > Do we set our own or nick old ones from elsewhere? (I say no.) > > > > I think that you should have to print > > No ... that's intellectually corrupt!! > > OK, can we stop with the intellectually corrupt jokes now? It was a > valid phrase, in context, pilliared by those who where there at the > time. It wasn't a valid phrase at the time. You wouldn't allow me to use the Perl Cookbook because it was intellectually corrupt to use it during a competition. -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com Don Corleone, I am honored and grateful that you have invited me to your house on the day of your daughter's wedding. The Godfather (1972) From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 07:23:49 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com>; from Stephen McCullough on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:03:53PM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> Message-ID: <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:03:53PM +0000, Stephen McCullough wrote: > It wasn't a valid phrase at the time. You wouldn't allow me to use > the Perl Cookbook because it was intellectually corrupt to use it > during a competition. That was another time. I would be thinking the first time [0] was during a discussion on fractally dimensioned hypermazes. (no, don't ask. I am still trying to calm myself.) m. [0] in this country. It originates from a field theory class, where I tried to um, do something odd. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From dave at dave.org.uk Wed Jan 30 07:23:22 2002 From: dave at dave.org.uk (Dave Cross) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk>; from mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:57:40AM +0000 References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130132322.C1594@tma1.mag-sol.demon.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 10:57:40AM +0000, Stray Toaster (mwk@stray-toaster.co.uk) wrote: > Just a plug for a fave site of mine.... > > http://www.howstuffworks.com/perl.htm If the rest of their stuff is as bad as that Perl article, then I wouldn't trust a word of it. Dave... -- .sig missing... From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 30 07:30:54 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:59:08PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > And? Your point here? It is a fantastic site, and really good for > knowing what the tappets on your bike are really there for, and what to > do with the extra bit when you pulled them apart. Redundancy is good, no? I didn't look at the rest of the site, but I'll take your word on the bike bits thing... Anyway, my point was that it was a good description of PERL... > before I go back and listen to the song, this reminds me of a great pub > game, the old 'misheard lyrics' drinking game. There is no reason for > that, I just wanted to share. See also: www.kissthisguy.com Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Hospital closures kill more than carbombs ever will. PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020130/99148a78/attachment.bin From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 07:45:23 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130132322.C1594@tma1.mag-sol.demon.co.uk>; from Dave Cross on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:23:22PM +0000 References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130132322.C1594@tma1.mag-sol.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130134523.B24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:23:22PM +0000, Dave Cross wrote: > > If the rest of their stuff is as bad as that Perl article, then I wouldn't > trust a word of it. bah, now extra-geographic people are slagging me! ;-) And here comes the obligatory self-defense bit.... I learnt a lot about the internal combustion engine/motorcycles from them. As my motorbike isn't exactly, um, modern, and the design hasn't changed in the past 50 years (true!), so it was helpful. OK, so I never *actually* read the perl bit, it just happened that we were having a conversation on the list and in the office, and I searched on howstuffworks. Think....speak....must...remember...the...order.... m. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 07:59:35 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org>; from Russell Matbouli on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:30:54PM +0000 References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020130135935.C24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:30:54PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > See also: www.kissthisguy.com Holy living $deity! I am astiunded on so many levels! I haven't looked thru it yet, but wow-o! m. -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Wed Jan 30 08:03:15 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org>; from russell-belfast-pm@futureless.org on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:30:54PM +0000 References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020130140315.A25607@blackstar.co.uk> On (30/01/02 13:30), Russell Matbouli wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 12:59:08PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > And? Your point here? It is a fantastic site, and really good for > > knowing what the tappets on your bike are really there for, and what to > > do with the extra bit when you pulled them apart. > > Redundancy is good, no? I didn't look at the rest of the site, but I'll > take your word on the bike bits thing... > > Anyway, my point was that it was a good description of PERL... > > > before I go back and listen to the song, this reminds me of a great pub > > game, the old 'misheard lyrics' drinking game. There is no reason for > > that, I just wanted to share. > > See also: www.kissthisguy.com No, when Marc said: > I am fed up being the straight man. He meant in a comedic setting, not that he wants to start kissing men. I'm right, aren't I Marc? Duggie From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 08:11:59 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130140315.A25607@blackstar.co.uk>; from Duggie on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:03:15PM +0000 References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org> <20020130140315.A25607@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130141159.D24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:03:15PM +0000, Duggie wrote: > > He meant in a comedic setting, not that he wants to start kissing men. > > I'm right, aren't I Marc? I am maintaining a dignified silence. m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 30 08:08:58 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Learning perl In-Reply-To: <20020130135935.C24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130105740.G22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130123401.C24592@futureless.org> <20020130125908.B23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130133054.H24592@futureless.org> <20020130135935.C24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130140858.A25225@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:59:35PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 01:30:54PM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > > See also: www.kissthisguy.com > > Holy living $deity! I am astiunded on so many levels! I haven't looked > thru it yet, but wow-o! Forgot to include the disclaimer: you may waste a lot of time on this site if you've got work to do. 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Ah, remember the good old days of eating sugary, e-numbered substances and running around frationally dimensioned hypermazes as a child. Those were the good old days. Those rubics hypercubes were rather hard though... I could never get them all aligned on the fourth plane... -- Russell Matbouli | russell@futureless.org | Participate in your own manipulation PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Those rubics hypercubes were rather hard > though... I could never get them all aligned on the fourth plane... I can still remember one of our A-level maths teachers trying to explain to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had zero volume ... We never did understand it ... Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 08:44:41 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:40:06PM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130144441.F24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:40:06PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > I can still remember one of our A-level maths teachers trying to explain > to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had > zero volume ... > > We never did understand it ... Doesn't this fall out easily if you approach with contour integrals? I may be hallucinating, but I think that is the way to prove it.... tho, I could be way off the mark entirely. Age does bad things to memory. Age and alcahol. Age, alcahol (sic) and drugs. Age, alcahol, drugs and women. Age, alcahol, drugs, women and song. Yes, I am halfway out the door. Sorry. m. -- And I find it kinda funny And I find it kinda sad These dreams in which I'm dying Are the best I've everhad From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 09:17:02 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130151702.A32276@soto.kasei.com> On Wed Jan 30 14:40:06 2002, Tony Bowden wrote: > I can still remember one of our A-level maths teachers trying to explain > to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had > zero volume ... > > We never did understand it ... 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If I did, I certainly don't any more ... > Age does bad things to memory. Age and alcahol. Age, alcahol (sic) > and drugs. Age, alcahol, drugs and women. Age, alcahol, drugs, women > and song. Amongst the things that do bad things to memory ...? Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Wed Jan 30 09:07:39 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130144441.F24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> <20020130144441.F24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130150739.B25604@futureless.org> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 02:44:41PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > I may be hallucinating, but I think that is the way to prove it.... > tho, I could be way off the mark entirely. Age does bad things to > memory. Age and alcahol. Age, alcahol (sic) and drugs. Age, alcahol, > drugs and women. Age, alcahol, drugs, women and song. 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But it was a sensible, on-topic thread to begin with. So, no. m. -- It was a two-way thing Not a three-day fling No secrets kept No truths betrayed From perl.belfast at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 09:29:49 2002 From: perl.belfast at kasei.com (Marty) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130121734.A23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com> <20020130114842.H22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130115954.A28767@soto.kasei.com> <20020130121734.A23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020130152949.B32276@soto.kasei.com> On Wed Jan 30 12:17:34 2002, Stray Toaster wrote: > > I am fed up being the straight man. 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Age does bad things to > memory. Age and alcahol. Age, alcahol (sic) and drugs. Age, alcahol, > drugs and women. Age, alcahol, drugs, women and song. Yes, but apart from Age, alcahol, drugs, women and song, what have the Roman's ever done for us? Duggie -- Your stars: Aquarius (Jan. 20 - Feb. 18) Be careful what you wish for this week. You won't get it, regardless, but it's always a good idea to be careful. (supplied by The Onion) From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 09:41:15 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130152124.A32380@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:21:24PM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> <20020130144441.F24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130152124.A32380@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130154115.H24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:21:24PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > Not sure I knew what contour integrals where at A-level. If I did, I > certainly don't any more ... Ah, true, true. > > > Age does bad things to memory. Age and alcahol. Age, alcahol (sic) > > and drugs. Age, alcahol, drugs and women. Age, alcahol, drugs, women > > and song. > > Amongst the things that do bad things to memory ...? Gah, missed a chance there at a joke. *berates self* m. -- What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul? Matthew 16:26 From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 09:46:29 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130152949.B32276@soto.kasei.com>; from Marty on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:29:49PM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130104439.A26434@soto.kasei.com> <20020130105541.E22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130112741.A27934@soto.kasei.com> <20020130114842.H22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130115954.A28767@soto.kasei.com> <20020130121734.A23955@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130152949.B32276@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130154629.I24376@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 03:29:49PM +0000, Marty wrote: > > Surely, according to the test, you are only about 30% straight, and > Valerie is more of a man than you? Right, this is getting out of all proportion. OK, so I took an online gay-ness test, and its result cast doubt on my lifestyle choice. It was only an online form submission thing, not a serious analysis of me!! right??!! Again, note to self: think before speaking. Else no-one would have known my result. And hey, Jasp was all but a few percentage points behind me...(yes, I see the opportunity for a joke there, so consider it inferred.) m. -- So they went off together. But wherever they go, and whatever happens to them on the way, in that enchanted place on the top of the Forest a little boy and his Bear will always be playing. From Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk Wed Jan 30 10:08:42 2002 From: Peter.McEvoy at barcouncil-ni.org.uk (Peter McEvoy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo Message-ID: Duggie said: > Yes, but apart from Age, alcahol, drugs, women and song, what have the > Roman's ever done for us? The romans brought us age and women? Pete Who didn't even bother taking his hat and coat off. From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 10:16:25 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130150614.A25604@futureless.org> References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> <20020130150614.A25604@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020130161625.A1859@soto.kasei.com> > > to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had > You're a winner in Marc's googlegame competition with that entry! yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* result, not zero ... This is MUCH harder ...[1] Tony [1] Especially as the blogs where people discuss results they've found themeselves get spidered by google thus upping the hit count ... From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 10:39:34 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020130161625.A1859@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:16:25PM +0000 References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> <20020130150614.A25604@futureless.org> <20020130161625.A1859@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130163934.A26422@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:16:25PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > > to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had > > You're a winner in Marc's googlegame competition with that entry! > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > result, not zero ... > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] I know this, but I found it easier to get one hit, as I did so with the first few tries I made. (Of course, none of which I can recall now...) I could post the link to the rules of the game, which do state it has to return one hit, but then it wouldn't look like my game. And it is my fun, so I am going home and youse can't play anymore. [1] m. [1] 'fun' used in the B'mena sense of 'it's my fun' ie I instansiated the game, therefore owning all rights to who plays and who doesn't, who wins and who loses. ymmv. -- I have learned there are troubles of more than one kind Some come from ahead and some come from behind But I've bought a big bat I'm all ready, you see Now my troubles are going to have troubles with ME! From karen at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 10:46:37 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Ten Myths about OO - Damian speaking for Momentum Message-ID: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> Hello, Next Thursday morning between 8:15 - 10:30 am Damian will be giving a talk on 'Ten Myths about OO' for Momentum (The Software Industry Federation for Northern Ireland) at Malone House, Barnett Demense, Shaw's Bridge. This will cost 30 pounds + VAT for people/companies who aren't Momentum memebers and 25 pounds + VAT for those who are. The talk will not be Perl specific. Momentum will be giving Damian a donation towards his work which will increase with the number of people who attend. If you are interested in attending please contact ken@momentumni.org. Details can also be found on the Momentum website at: http://www.momentumni.org/events/events.cfm under the forthcoming events section. -- Karen From jasper at guideguide.com Wed Jan 30 11:00:25 2002 From: jasper at guideguide.com (Jasper McCrea) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo References: <20020130101910.B22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130102836.A26015@soto.kasei.com> <20020130103213.C22172@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130130353.A28682@gandalf.swmcc.com> <20020130132349.A24236@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020130141301.B25225@futureless.org> <20020130144006.A31159@soto.kasei.com> <20020130150614.A25604@futureless.org> <20020130161625.A1859@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <3C5826A9.D8E3C25F@guideguide.com> Tony Bowden wrote: > > > > to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had > > You're a winner in Marc's googlegame competition with that entry! > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > result, not zero ... > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > arachnophobic milleniad j -- Hey sexy mama... wanna kill all humans? From tony at kasei.com Wed Jan 30 12:09:00 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Ten Myths about OO - Damian speaking for Momentum In-Reply-To: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130180900.GA9055@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 04:46:37PM +0000, Karen Pauley wrote: > Next Thursday morning between 8:15 - 10:30 am Damian will be giving a > talk on 'Ten Myths about OO' for Momentum > Momentum will be giving Damian a donation towards his work which will > increase with the number of people who attend. Translation: "Get as many people as you can to go". You're not just doing _them_ a favour by letting them experience Damian, but doing Damian and the whole Perl Society a favour too... > Shaw's Bridge. This will cost 30 pounds + VAT for people/companies who > aren't Momentum memebers and 25 pounds + VAT for those who are. This is really cheap. Every company that anyone here works for can afford to send at least two people! And breakfast's included! How could anyone turn this down? Tony From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Wed Jan 30 13:18:54 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Ten Myths about OO - Damian speaking for Momentum In-Reply-To: <20020130180900.GA9055@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 06:09:00PM +0000 References: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> <20020130180900.GA9055@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020130191854.A31890@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 06:09:00PM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > > This is really cheap. Every company that anyone here works for can > afford to send at least two people! > > And breakfast's included! > > How could anyone turn this down? > breakfast.....that is like the mythical meal that is rumoured to come before lunch, isn't it? 8.15. AM. AM. A. M. I would like have to get up at 6.30 to get there for that time. (Crumbly old bike that goes 50 mph) No, not getting over this. 8.15. am. m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From tony at kasei.com Thu Jan 31 02:07:22 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:26 2004 Subject: Ten Myths about OO - Damian speaking for Momentum In-Reply-To: <20020130191854.A31890@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> <20020130180900.GA9055@soto.kasei.com> <20020130191854.A31890@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131080722.GA16625@soto.kasei.com> On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:18:54PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > breakfast.....that is like the mythical meal that is rumoured to come > before lunch, isn't it? 8.15. AM. AM. A. M. I would like have to get up > at 6.30 to get there for that time. (Crumbly old bike that goes 50 mph) Great. You an extra half hour in bed. Cos you normally start work at 7:30am, don't you. Or at least will in your new job ... Tony From swm at swmcc.com Thu Jan 31 02:58:28 2002 From: swm at swmcc.com (Stephen McCullough) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: Ten Myths about OO - Damian speaking for Momentum In-Reply-To: <20020131080722.GA16625@soto.kasei.com>; from tony@kasei.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 08:07:22AM +0000 References: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> <20020130180900.GA9055@soto.kasei.com> <20020130191854.A31890@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131080722.GA16625@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131085828.A30031@gandalf.swmcc.com> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 08:07:22AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:18:54PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > breakfast.....that is like the mythical meal that is rumoured to come > > before lunch, isn't it? 8.15. AM. AM. A. M. I would like have to get up > > at 6.30 to get there for that time. (Crumbly old bike that goes 50 mph) > > Great. You an extra half hour in bed. Cos you normally start work at > 7:30am, don't you. > > Or at least will in your new job ... *rubs eyes* What.. he will have to the '06' in his clock every morning! Oh this day has started of on such a good note. Happy happy joy joy -- Stephen McCullough http://www.swmcc.com I want someone good, I mean very good, to plant that gun. I don't want my brother coming out of the bathroom with just his dick in his hands. The Godfather (1972) From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 03:30:39 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: Ten Myths about OO - Damian speaking for Momentum In-Reply-To: <20020131080722.GA16625@soto.kasei.com>; from Tony Bowden on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 08:07:22AM +0000 References: <20020130164637.C32657@soto.kasei.com> <20020130180900.GA9055@soto.kasei.com> <20020130191854.A31890@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131080722.GA16625@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131093039.A12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 08:07:22AM +0000, Tony Bowden wrote: > On Wed, Jan 30, 2002 at 07:18:54PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > breakfast.....that is like the mythical meal that is rumoured to come > > before lunch, isn't it? 8.15. AM. AM. A. M. I would like have to get up > > at 6.30 to get there for that time. (Crumbly old bike that goes 50 mph) > > Great. You an extra half hour in bed. Cos you normally start work at > 7:30am, don't you. > > Or at least will in your new job ... *laughs a bit nervously....* -- No one in the world ever gets what they want and that is beautiful Everybody dies frustrated and sad and that is beautiful They want what they're not and I wish they would stop saying, Deputy dog dog a ding dang depadepa From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Jan 31 04:42:51 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 Message-ID: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> Hi guys I was just going to launch into this, but since I don't bother reading the subjects of emails that I get sent[0], I'll assume you lot don't either. This is about YAPC::Eurpoe 2002. Is anybody thinking of going to this and if so are we going to organise going as a group. Basically should I assume that you lot are going to sit on your arse and then decide at the last minute that you're not going[1]? Lets face it you don't even seem to be able to organise a piss-up[2][3] ;-) So are you going to prove me wrong and get all organised, or should I just go ahed and sort myself out[4]? cheers Andrew [0] As illustrated by my recent question to karen about venues and dates. [1] Like you all did last year. [2] spelling? [3] That social meeting you said you were going to have in the bar while some of us were away (the one that didn't happen) [4] There's a chance for a slagging in there somewhere, finding it is left as an exercise for the reader. From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 05:09:54 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com>; from Andrew Wilson on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:42:51AM +0000 References: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131110954.B12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:42:51AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > Hi guys > > I was just going to launch into this, but since I don't bother > reading the subjects of emails that I get sent[0], I'll assume > you lot don't either. Tar us with your brush, whydontcha? > > This is about YAPC::Eurpoe 2002. really? go on, you don't say. > > Is anybody thinking of going to this and if so are we going to organise > going as a group. Basically should I assume that you lot are going to > sit on your arse and then decide at the last minute that you're not > going[1]? Look, I said I couldn't afford it. Right? I couldn't. Sorry for not being a man of means. bah. > > Lets face it you don't even seem to be able to organise a piss-up[2][3] > ;-) And again, I was tired. Sheesh, gimme a break. was only in the door. Bad planning on my part. > > So are you going to prove me wrong and get all organised, or should I > just go ahed and sort myself out[4]? Well, let us see what I can wheedle out of my (next) employers.... m. who will be going, this time, honest. And not only as his sister-in-law lives in munich. -- All generalisations are false. Including this one. From me at terrential.com Thu Jan 31 05:24:36 2002 From: me at terrential.com (Terrential) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo Message-ID: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: Jasper McCrea Cc: Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2002 5:00 PM Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo > Tony Bowden wrote: > > > > > > to us how the stellated and interstellated rhombicosidodecahedron had > > > You're a winner in Marc's googlegame competition with that entry! > > > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > > result, not zero ... > > > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > > > > arachnophobic milleniad > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato Terry. --- Terry@tek2.com http://new.media.by.tek2.com --- This email has been checked for Virii. The views expressed are not necessarily those of TEK2. From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 31 05:08:04 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131110804.B30704@futureless.org> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:42:51AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > This is about YAPC::Eurpoe 2002. But the subject says YAPC::Europe 2002...? > Is anybody thinking of going to this and if so are we going to organise > going as a group. Basically should I assume that you lot are going to > sit on your arse and then decide at the last minute that you're not > going[1]? I intend on going. I thought I wrote a mail like this a while back, but obviously I got sidetracked. > Lets face it you don't even seem to be able to organise a piss-up[2][3] > ;-) I organised one - but I was the only perlmonger there! > So are you going to prove me wrong and get all organised, or should I > just go ahed and sort myself out[4]? We did get organised. We got Karen ;) Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | The future teaches you to be alone russell@futureless.org | the present to be afraid and cold PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020131/db344e98/attachment.bin From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Jan 31 05:26:33 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020131110954.B12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> <20020131110954.B12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131112633.GB18641@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:09:54AM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > Is anybody thinking of going to this and if so are we going to organise > > going as a group. Basically should I assume that you lot are going to > > sit on your arse and then decide at the last minute that you're not > > going[1]? > > Look, I said I couldn't afford it. Right? I couldn't. Sorry for not > being a man of means. bah. Yes, I believe you. You wern't the only person who did it though. Besides, you don't expect me to be getting all rational and all do you? Not when theres a golden opportunity to bitch about something ;-) > > Lets face it you don't even seem to be able to organise a piss-up[2][3] > > ;-) > > And again, I was tired. Sheesh, gimme a break. was only in the door. Bad > planning on my part. Yes, well that's not very funny either. > > So are you going to prove me wrong and get all organised, or should I > > just go ahed and sort myself out[4]? > > Well, let us see what I can wheedle out of my (next) employers.... Wheedle is such a lovely word, isn't it. > m. who will be going, this time, honest. And not only as his > sister-in-law lives in munich. So, if you're staying with your sister-in-law that won't help with regard to accommodation (well, obviously it sorts you out). Is anyone else considering going? cheers Andrew From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Jan 31 05:33:17 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020131110804.B30704@futureless.org> References: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> <20020131110804.B30704@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020131113317.GC18641@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:08:04AM +0000, Russell Matbouli wrote: > But the subject says YAPC::Europe 2002...? Yeah, but I usually don't notice subjects ... > I intend on going. I thought I wrote a mail like this a while back, but > obviously I got sidetracked. Yay! > > Lets face it you don't even seem to be able to organise a piss-up[2][3] > > ;-) > > I organised one - but I was the only perlmonger there! :-( > > So are you going to prove me wrong and get all organised, or should I > > just go ahed and sort myself out[4]? > > We did get organised. We got Karen ;) Yeah, but if I ask karen to organise it for me she'll probably thow something at me, what with her being a stress-bunny at the moment. cheers Andrew From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 05:35:58 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020131112633.GB18641@soto.kasei.com>; from Andrew Wilson on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:26:33AM +0000 References: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> <20020131110954.B12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131112633.GB18641@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131113558.C12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:26:33AM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Wheedle is such a lovely word, isn't it. And, according to my Matthew, it is a grass-type Pokemon as well. m. -- What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul? Matthew 16:26 From steve at narnian.org Thu Jan 31 06:16:01 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk>; from me@terrential.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:24:36AM -0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> > > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > > > result, not zero ... > > > > > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > > > > > > > arachnophobic milleniad > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato This is quite fun! http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 31 06:03:22 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131120322.C30704@futureless.org> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 11:24:36AM -0000, Terrential wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato Excellent! Now I can save from buying lettuce and tomatoes separately, and just buy lettucetomato instead! Thanks for that top tip! Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | cpan> install Text::Echelon russell@futureless.org | Become the fourth user! PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020131/64a91e9e/attachment.bin From steve at narnian.org Thu Jan 31 06:20:17 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from steve@narnian.org on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131122017.B15698@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Ah, I just me a complete arse of myself! The other mail that I sent had 3 words instead of 2. I may now be deemed completely stupid :) Steve > > > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > > > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > > > > result, not zero ... > > > > > > > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > > > > > > > > > > arachnophobic milleniad > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato > > This is quite fun! > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec > > -- > Steve Foy > steve@narnian.org -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:20:42 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from Steve Foy on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131122042.D12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > This is quite fun! > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec would it be churlish of me to point out that that is three words? Or would it be curlish of me? I can never tell... m. -- No, I am not laughing with you From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:23:16 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from steve@narnian.org on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131122316.A2706@blackstar.co.uk> On (31/01/02 12:16), Steve Foy wrote: > > > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > > > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > > > > result, not zero ... > > > > > > > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > > > > > > > > > > arachnophobic milleniad > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato Okay, firstly 'lettucetomato' isn't a real word. > This is quite fun! > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec 3 may be the magic number, but in this game you want two in a bed. No, not three. It's two, that's what you want. Step into my office, 'cos you're fired! Duggie -- Your stars: Gemini (May 21 - June 21) You will achieve success in the world of advertising when you underestimate the intelligence of the American public. (supplied by The Onion) From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Jan 31 06:24:06 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131122042.D12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131122042.D12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131122406.GA20323@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:20:42PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > > > This is quite fun! > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec > > would it be churlish of me to point out that that is three words? Or > would it be curlish of me? I can never tell... Yes, bacon letucetomato is really three words as well. cheers Andrew From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:31:07 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131122017.B15698@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from steve@narnian.org on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:20:17PM +0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131122017.B15698@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131123107.B2706@blackstar.co.uk> On (31/01/02 12:20), Steve Foy wrote: > Ah, I just me a complete arse of myself! > The other mail that I sent had 3 words instead of 2. And again, possibly! :) Duggie From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:33:27 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131122017.B15698@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from Steve Foy on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:20:17PM +0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131122017.B15698@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131123327.E12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:20:17PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > Ah, I just me a complete arse of myself! no comment from me, as I rarely read what I type.... m. -- What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul? Matthew 16:26 From me at terrential.com Thu Jan 31 06:41:54 2002 From: me at terrential.com (Terrential) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <007701c1aa54$ac2a1b60$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=terrential+milkshake i got another one! Terry. --- Terry@tek2.com http://new.media.by.tek2.com --- This email has been checked for Virii. The views expressed are not necessarily those of TEK2. ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Foy To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:16 PM Subject: Re: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo > > > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > > > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > > > > result, not zero ... > > > > > > > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > > > > > > > > > > arachnophobic milleniad > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato > > This is quite fun! > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec > > -- > Steve Foy > steve@narnian.org From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 31 06:22:30 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131122230.D30704@futureless.org> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* ^^^ ^^^^^ > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec ^^^^^^ ^^^^^ ^^^^ Another one bites the dust! 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From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:51:51 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <007701c1aa54$ac2a1b60$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk>; from Terrential on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:41:54PM -0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <007701c1aa54$ac2a1b60$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131125151.G12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:41:54PM -0000, Terrential wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=terrential+milkshake > i got another one! > > Terry. err, no. doesn't count, as..... Did you mean: torrential milkshake From me at terrential.com Thu Jan 31 07:00:54 2002 From: me at terrential.com (Terrential) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131122042.D12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131122406.GA20323@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <009b01c1aa57$76821dc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Wilson To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:24 PM Subject: Re: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:20:42PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:16:01PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > > > > > This is quite fun! > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec > > > > would it be churlish of me to point out that that is three words? Or > > would it be curlish of me? I can never tell... > > Yes, bacon letucetomato is really three words as well. > I've submitted another one, knowing that you'd pick up on that. :-) Terry. --- Terry@tek2.com http://new.media.by.tek2.com --- This email has been checked for Virii. The views expressed are not necessarily those of TEK2. From terry at tek2.com Thu Jan 31 07:01:49 2002 From: terry at tek2.com (Terry) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to Message-ID: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> shouldn't this be set to belfast-pm@pm.org so that when i click reply that i don't have to put it in manually?? Terry. --- Terry@tek2.com http://new.media.by.tek2.com --- This email has been checked for Virii. The views expressed are not necessarily those of TEK2. From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 31 06:55:06 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <007701c1aa54$ac2a1b60$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk>; from me@terrential.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:41:54PM -0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <007701c1aa54$ac2a1b60$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131125506.A11409@blackstar.co.uk> On (31/01/02 12:41), Terrential wrote: > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=terrential+milkshake > i got another one! Right, here's the thing... you need to use English words, and correctly spelt English words at that. If you get a page saying 'Did you mean...?' then you should try again. By all means, click on the 'Did you mean...?' link because you just might have done it with their suggestion. Thanks Duggie -- Your stars: Aquarius (Jan. 20 - Feb. 18) Be careful what you wish for this week. You won't get it, regardless, but it's always a good idea to be careful. (supplied by The Onion) From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 31 06:48:12 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: Time delay on the list Message-ID: <20020131124812.E30704@futureless.org> Isn't it fun to see almost everyone point out the mistakes in those two mails due to the (about 15 minute) time delay we seem to get in sending and receiving to this list :) Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | I know what you're thinking. russell@futureless.org | Did he fire 487 shots or only 486? PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Not that I am paranoid, but I *always* get the messages long after [0] everyone else (in the office, at least). m. [0] say, about 1-3 minutes. On a good day. -- What about me? Well, I'll find someone Who is not going cheap in the sales. A nice little housewife Who'll give me a steady life And won't keep going off the rails From me at terrential.com Thu Jan 31 07:10:44 2002 From: me at terrential.com (Terrential) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131122316.A2706@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <00b701c1aa58$b8aeec40$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> just 'case google doesn't understand me, doesn't mean that terrential isn't a word, it just so happens to be my name! yes I've changed it via deed poll. and now i'm gonna post at the top of the message just to annoy you. :-) Terry. --- Terry@tek2.com http://new.media.by.tek2.com --- This email has been checked for Virii. The views expressed are not necessarily those of TEK2. ----- Original Message ----- From: Duggie To: Steve Foy Cc: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 12:23 PM Subject: Re: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo > On (31/01/02 12:16), Steve Foy wrote: > > > > > yeah, but Marc's googlegame sucked. The *real* version of the game is to > > > > > find two words which when searched for on Google return exactly *one* > > > > > result, not zero ... > > > > > > > > > > This is MUCH harder ...[1] > > > > > > > > > > > > > arachnophobic milleniad > > > > > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=bacon+lettucetomato > > Okay, firstly 'lettucetomato' isn't a real word. > > > This is quite fun! > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=guitar+fairy+plec > > 3 may be the magic number, but in this game you want two in a bed. > > > No, not three. It's two, that's what you want. Step into my office, > 'cos you're fired! > > > Duggie > -- > Your stars: Gemini (May 21 - June 21) > You will achieve success in the world of advertising when you > underestimate the intelligence of the American public. > (supplied by The Onion) > From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 07:05:06 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131124550.GA3794@delltop.blackstar.co.uk>; from Wesley Darlington on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:45:50PM +0000 References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131122017.B15698@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <20020131123327.E12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131124550.GA3794@delltop.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131130506.I12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:45:50PM +0000, Wesley Darlington wrote: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:33:27PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:20:17PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > > Ah, I just me a complete arse of myself! > > > > no comment from me, as I rarely read what I type.... > > Neither do we... > > :-), > Wesley. Right, I'll just get me helmet.... m. -- I didn't have to use my AK Today was A Good Day From trafficproducts at trafficwow.net Thu Jan 31 07:06:34 2002 From: trafficproducts at trafficwow.net (trafficproducts@trafficwow.net) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: Best Source of Internet Traffic and Search Engine Placements Message-ID: <20020131130756.83FF591A2@mail2.panix.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Duggie From andrew at soto.kasei.com Thu Jan 31 07:53:24 2002 From: andrew at soto.kasei.com (Andrew Wilson) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:02:21PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > And does anyone else think the pm.org server is slow to dole out the > mail? Not that I am paranoid, but I *always* get the messages long after > [0] everyone else (in the office, at least). Yes, I think it's slow. I've complained about it in the past. I think we would be much better with a local server running the list. cheers Andrew From steve at narnian.org Thu Jan 31 07:58:12 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: Time delay on the list In-Reply-To: <20020131124812.E30704@futureless.org>; from russell-belfast-pm@futureless.org on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:48:12PM +0000 References: <20020131124812.E30704@futureless.org> Message-ID: <20020131135812.A16177@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> > Isn't it fun to see almost everyone point out the mistakes in those two > mails due to the (about 15 minute) time delay we seem to get in sending > and receiving to this list :) It is very annoying. Can we host it somewhere else? I would :) -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From tony at kasei.com Thu Jan 31 08:36:37 2002 From: tony at kasei.com (Tony Bowden) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > Yes, I think it's slow. I've complained about it in the past. I think > we would be much better with a local server running the list. Any volunteers? Tony From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 31 08:46:06 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131144606.F30704@futureless.org> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:02:21PM +0000, Stray Toaster wrote: > And does anyone else think the pm.org server is slow to dole out the > mail? Not that I am paranoid, but I *always* get the messages long after > [0] everyone else (in the office, at least). Iirc, majordomo goes through the list serially, so whoever is at the top of the list will get it immediately, but if you're like me, somewhere at the bottom, it'll take 15-20 minutes. Also I'm guessing the server is just overloaded with tons of pm groups... BUT! (in case hfb is listening) I'm not knocking this server, just saying that there might be a better way where we take some load off it :) Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | The only difference between good and evil russell@futureless.org | is the seating arrangements PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Do we want to get the DNS for belfast.pm.org delegated too? (I can do the full shebang - WWW, DNS and mailing list). Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | "People should treat their emails like seaside post russell@futureless.org | cards; that is to say put anything you like on them PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | but don't be surprised if someone else reads them." | - Neil MacCormick, EU parliament Echelon committee -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020131/125a9b12/attachment.bin From karen at kasei.com Thu Jan 31 09:35:42 2002 From: karen at kasei.com (Karen Pauley) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: YAPC::Europe 2002 In-Reply-To: <20020131113317.GC18641@soto.kasei.com> References: <20020131104251.GA18641@soto.kasei.com> <20020131110804.B30704@futureless.org> <20020131113317.GC18641@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131153542.GE22719@soto.kasei.com> On Thu Jan 31 11:33:17 2002, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > So are you going to prove me wrong and get all organised, or should I > > > just go ahed and sort myself out[4]? > > > > We did get organised. We got Karen ;) > > Yeah, but if I ask karen to organise it for me she'll probably thow > something at me, what with her being a stress-bunny at the moment. Hmmm. I've been thinking that maybe we should book the hotel with the London.pm group. If that's not suitable I will probably have time to investigate other possibilities some time next week. -- Karen From steve at narnian.org Thu Jan 31 09:44:13 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com>; from tony@kasei.com on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 02:36:37PM +0000 References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com> Message-ID: <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > Yes, I think it's slow. I've complained about it in the past. I think > > we would be much better with a local server running the list. > > Any volunteers? I would run it, although I don't have any credibility so I doubt anyone would want me to :) -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk Thu Jan 31 09:56:24 2002 From: mwk at stray-toaster.co.uk (Stray Toaster) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from Steve Foy on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:44:13PM +0000 References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com> <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131155624.C14848@tux.blackstar.co.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:44:13PM +0000, Steve Foy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > Yes, I think it's slow. I've complained about it in the past. I think > > > we would be much better with a local server running the list. > > > > Any volunteers? > > I would run it, although I don't have any credibility so I doubt anyone > would want me to :) No, let Russell do it. m. -- What does it profit a man to gain the whole world if he loses his soul? Matthew 16:26 From duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk Thu Jan 31 09:56:45 2002 From: duggie-belfast-pm at blackstar.co.uk (Duggie) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:27 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net>; from steve@narnian.org on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 03:44:13PM +0000 References: <009c01c1aa57$7d848cc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131130221.H12120@tux.blackstar.co.uk> <20020131135324.GA21952@soto.kasei.com> <20020131143637.GA22555@soto.kasei.com> <20020131154413.A16679@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> Message-ID: <20020131155645.B4710@blackstar.co.uk> On (31/01/02 15:44), Steve Foy wrote: > > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 01:53:24PM +0000, Andrew Wilson wrote: > > > Yes, I think it's slow. I've complained about it in the past. I think > > > we would be much better with a local server running the list. > > > > Any volunteers? > > I would run it, although I don't have any credibility so I doubt anyone > would want me to :) Let Russell do it. Thanks Duggie From sleepy_uk at hotmail.com Thu Jan 31 10:06:05 2002 From: sleepy_uk at hotmail.com (Scott McWhirter) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: reply-to Message-ID: >Let Russell do it. Russell is already a busy busy man with BLUG (or at least he should be =0) ). -- -Scott McWhirter- | -kungfuftr- PGP key id: 0x3C79CF1D _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx From russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org Thu Jan 31 10:59:09 2002 From: russell-belfast-pm at futureless.org (Russell Matbouli) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020131165908.B31936@futureless.org> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 04:06:05PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > >Let Russell do it. > Russell is already a busy busy man with BLUG (or at least he should be =0) DELEGATION! Cheers. -- Russell Matbouli | Motivation is just distraction russell@futureless.org | from realization of futility PGP KeyID: 0x3CA84CF4 | -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 232 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/belfast-pm/attachments/20020131/eabab994/attachment.bin From liyang at nerv.cx Thu Jan 31 12:04:48 2002 From: liyang at nerv.cx (Liyang Hu) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20020131180448.GA28724@cam.ac.uk> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 04:06:05PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > >Let Russell do it. > Russell is already a busy busy man with BLUG (or at least he > should be =0) ). No, I think you meant: Let Russell do it. /Liyang ::runs:: -- .--| Liyang HU |--| http://nerv.cx/ |--| Caius@Cam |--| ICQ: 39391385 |--. | Never underestimate stupid people in large numbers. | From schwern at pobox.com Thu Jan 31 12:25:18 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: e: [ANNOUNCE] Belfast.pm obfuscated perl compo In-Reply-To: <20020131125506.A11409@blackstar.co.uk> References: <004001c1aa49$debdcdc0$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131121601.A15668@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> <007701c1aa54$ac2a1b60$0afea8c0@168.254.10.dsl.easynet.co.uk> <20020131125506.A11409@blackstar.co.uk> Message-ID: <20020131182518.GD6498@blackrider> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 12:55:06PM +0000, Duggie wrote: > On (31/01/02 12:41), Terrential wrote: > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=terrential+milkshake > > i got another one! > > Right, here's the thing... you need to use English words, and correctly > spelt English words at that. If you get a page saying 'Did you > mean...?' then you should try again. By all means, click on the 'Did > you mean...?' link because you just might have done it with their > suggestion. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=antidisestablishmentarianism+wiffle http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=polynucleotide+clown -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One It's Yellowing Laudanum time! From steve at narnian.org Thu Jan 31 15:45:39 2002 From: steve at narnian.org (Steve Foy) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: reply-to In-Reply-To: <20020131180448.GA28724@cam.ac.uk>; from liyang@nerv.cx on Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 06:04:48PM +0000 References: <20020131180448.GA28724@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020131214539.A18083@caspian.inhouseinternet.net> thinking it was tuck's boxer shorts again, Liyang Hu proclaimed: > On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 04:06:05PM +0000, Scott McWhirter wrote: > > >Let Russell do it. > > Russell is already a busy busy man with BLUG (or at least he > > should be =0) ). > > No, I think you meant: > > Let Russell do it. I'm not too sure how many times that message came through from different people due to the mail delay thing :) -- Steve Foy steve@narnian.org From liyang at nerv.cx Thu Jan 31 16:27:56 2002 From: liyang at nerv.cx (Liyang Hu) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: use strict / perl -w Message-ID: <20020131222756.GA4858@cam.ac.uk> Evening, Minor niggle I've got here: does using strict, or running with perl -w slow down the bytecode compilation at all? What about effects on the actual code performance? (Someone here is trying to convince me it does. I said the effects were negligible, and if they really wanted speed they'd use mod_perl.) Thanks, /Liyang -- .--| Liyang HU |--| http://nerv.cx/ |--| Caius@Cam |--| ICQ: 39391385 |--. | Real programs don't eat cache. | From schwern at pobox.com Thu Jan 31 18:22:48 2002 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Tue Aug 3 23:54:28 2004 Subject: use strict / perl -w In-Reply-To: <20020131222756.GA4858@cam.ac.uk> References: <20020131222756.GA4858@cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: <20020201002248.GA3500@blackrider> On Thu, Jan 31, 2002 at 10:27:56PM +0000, Liyang Hu wrote: > Evening, > > Minor niggle I've got here: does using strict, or running with perl > -w slow down the bytecode compilation at all? What about effects on > the actual code performance? > > (Someone here is trying to convince me it does. I said the effects > were negligible, and if they really wanted speed they'd use mod_perl.) The sort of people that worry about the startup costs of strict and -w are also the sort of people who go hiking and clip the tags off teabags to save weight. [1] This is microptimization and people tend to fixate on it rather than the real problem, like the cast-iron skillet you're carrying. No, there's no noticable difference. [2] In fact, I can't even benchmark it properly because the time taken to load a module is so small there's too much flutter. [1] During the development of the U2 it was suggested that the pilots take a pre-flight enema to save a pound or two of weight, but nobody thought the pilots would like that idea. [2] Unless you're Russian, named Ilya, working on Exporter.pm and embedding perl in very small places. -- Michael G. Schwern http://www.pobox.com/~schwern/ Perl Quality Assurance Kwalitee Is Job One my anus yearns now warm paste fills me happily saturday morning -- imploded