From magnus at huckvale.net Tue Mar 5 05:51:17 2002 From: magnus at huckvale.net (Magnus Huckvale) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:47 2004 Subject: We should have a meet References: <20010903165750.A16974@ns0.astray.com> Message-ID: <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> It's been suggested that more people might come if Bath.pm had a regular day to meet, ideally the first $day of every month. We'll meet on $day next week and the first $day of every month from then on. Who has strong feelings about the value of $day? So far most votes are for Tuesday. Monday and Friday are out. Magnus From amias at amias.org.uk Tue Mar 5 06:29:27 2002 From: amias at amias.org.uk (Amias Channer) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:47 2004 Subject: We should have a meet References: <20010903165750.A16974@ns0.astray.com> <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: <3C84BA27.824AC766@amias.org.uk> Hello y'all , good idea , anything but wednesday and friday for me. Tuesday would be good . /me would like to talk about setting up a cooperative web agency in bath if anyone is interested . Toodle-pip Amias Magnus Huckvale wrote: > > It's been suggested that more people might come if Bath.pm had a regular day > to meet, ideally the first $day of every month. We'll meet on $day next > week and the first $day of every month from then on. > > Who has strong feelings about the value of $day? > > So far most votes are for Tuesday. Monday and Friday are out. > > Magnus -- www.realnews.org.uk - news for people who think From lejm3 at hermes.cam.ac.uk Tue Mar 5 09:51:41 2002 From: lejm3 at hermes.cam.ac.uk (Lucy McWilliam) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:47 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > It's been suggested that more people might come if Bath.pm had a regular day > to meet, ideally the first $day of every month. We'll meet on $day next > week and the first $day of every month from then on. If you have a one off on a Friday sometime, I'll come and visit ;-) L. "Give. us. A. Cuddle." From bjg at zerowork.co.uk Tue Mar 5 13:06:57 2002 From: bjg at zerowork.co.uk (Brian Gough) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:47 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> References: <20010903165750.A16974@ns0.astray.com> <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: <15493.5969.368695.733406@debian> Magnus Huckvale writes: > > It's been suggested that more people might come if Bath.pm had a regular day > to meet, ideally the first $day of every month. We'll meet on $day next > week and the first $day of every month from then on. Hi, How far is the meeting pub from the station? I work at Sift in Bristol next to Temple Meads so it's fairly easy for me to get to Bath after work. regards Brian Gough From ali at anarres.org Tue Mar 5 13:51:46 2002 From: ali at anarres.org (Alison Young) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <3C84BA27.824AC766@amias.org.uk> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Amias Channer wrote: > Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 12:29:27 +0000 > From: Amias Channer > To: bath-list > Subject: Re: We should have a meet > > Hello y'all , > > good idea , anything but wednesday and friday for me. Tuesday would be good . > /me would like to talk about setting up a cooperative web agency in bath if anyone is interested . > > Toodle-pip > Amias On that note, I'm currently looking for work in Bath. If anyone knows of anything suitable for a web developer who does Perl, could they please let me know. Thanks muchly. Tuesday sounds fine, by the way. Ali -- Alison Young ali@anarres-worlds.org http://ali.anarres.org/ 0777 32 96 156 From jon at phuq.co.uk Tue Mar 5 15:57:07 2002 From: jon at phuq.co.uk (Jon Wilson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: <20020305215438.S23843-100000@brains.phuq.co.uk> On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > > Who has strong feelings about the value of $day? > > So far most votes are for Tuesday. Monday and Friday are out. I would put in a vote for Global symbol "$day" requires explicit package name Bareword "Tuesday" not allowed while "strict subs" in use Execution aborted due to compilation errors $votes{'Tuesday'}++; -- Jon Wilson http://www.phuq.co.uk Bath, UK Tel. (07776) 137939 "You have to expect a certain amount of paperwork" From magnus at huckvale.net Tue Mar 5 16:02:45 2002 From: magnus at huckvale.net (Magnus Huckvale) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <15493.5969.368695.733406@debian> Message-ID: <000e01c1c491$8ee55220$0aef883e@Ephemeros> Brian, The Hobgoblin is within easy walk of the staition, probably less than 5 minutes. http://www.hobgoblins.co.uk/bath.htm might get you there. Email me privately for my mobile number, although we usually sit downstairs without any signal. Magnus -----Original Message----- From: owner-bath-pm-list@pm.org [mailto:owner-bath-pm-list@pm.org] On Behalf Of Brian Gough Sent: 05 March 2002 19:07 To: Magnus Huckvale Cc: bath-list Subject: Re: We should have a meet Magnus Huckvale writes: > > It's been suggested that more people might come if Bath.pm had a regular day > to meet, ideally the first $day of every month. We'll meet on $day next > week and the first $day of every month from then on. Hi, How far is the meeting pub from the station? I work at Sift in Bristol next to Temple Meads so it's fairly easy for me to get to Bath after work. regards Brian Gough From shevek at anarres.org Tue Mar 5 17:33:37 2002 From: shevek at anarres.org (Shevek) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <00aa01c1c43c$11baa110$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: Vote Tuesday. S. On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > Who has strong feelings about the value of $day? -- Shevek I am the Borg. sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};} foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); } From magnus at huckvale.net Thu Mar 7 08:03:43 2002 From: magnus at huckvale.net (Magnus Huckvale) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: We should have a meet References: <20020305215438.S23843-100000@brains.phuq.co.uk> Message-ID: <008301c1c5e0$e4407420$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> $day = "Tuesday" Just to confirm, we'll be meeting at 6:30pm on Tuesday 12th March in the Hobgoblin. >From then on the first Tuesday of every month. Magnus From shevek at anarres.org Fri Mar 8 03:59:17 2002 From: shevek at anarres.org (Shevek) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: We should have a meet In-Reply-To: <008301c1c5e0$e4407420$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: I'm afraid I probably can't do this first one - conference in London. Sorry. It turned up at short notice. Ta. S. On Thu, 7 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > $day = "Tuesday" > > Just to confirm, we'll be meeting at 6:30pm on Tuesday 12th March in the > Hobgoblin. > > >From then on the first Tuesday of every month. > > Magnus > > -- Shevek I am the Borg. sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};} foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); } From magnus at huckvale.net Tue Mar 12 03:47:40 2002 From: magnus at huckvale.net (Magnus Huckvale) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers Tonight References: <20020305215438.S23843-100000@brains.phuq.co.uk> <008301c1c5e0$e4407420$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: <00bc01c1c9aa$f3508bd0$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> So that's the Hobgoblin, 6:30pm. Be there or be Jason, Shevek, or Dave H. Magnus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Magnus Huckvale" To: "bath-list" Sent: Thursday, March 07, 2002 2:03 PM Subject: Re: We should have a meet > $day = "Tuesday" > > Just to confirm, we'll be meeting at 6:30pm on Tuesday 12th March in the > Hobgoblin. > > From then on the first Tuesday of every month. > > Magnus > > From ali at anarres.org Tue Mar 12 05:26:55 2002 From: ali at anarres.org (Alison Young) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers Tonight In-Reply-To: <00bc01c1c9aa$f3508bd0$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 09:47:40 -0000 > From: Magnus Huckvale > To: bath-list > Subject: Perl Mongers Tonight > > So that's the Hobgoblin, 6:30pm. > > Be there or be Jason, Shevek, or Dave H. > > Magnus > Can't we be CowboyNeal? I love the smell of obscure Slashdot poll references in the morning. Ali -- Alison Young ali@anarres-worlds.org http://ali.anarres.org/ 0777 32 96 156 From mark at profero.com Tue Mar 12 07:15:12 2002 From: mark at profero.com (Mark Fowler) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Perl Mongers Tonight In-Reply-To: <00bc01c1c9aa$f3508bd0$265f5cc3@netcraft.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 12 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > So that's the Hobgoblin, 6:30pm. > > Be there or be Jason, Shevek, or Dave H. Or Mark. Later. Mark. From magnus at huckvale.net Wed Mar 13 06:17:51 2002 From: magnus at huckvale.net (Magnus Huckvale) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Bath.pm March 12 Meeting Report Message-ID: <000001c1ca89$18bfae30$4a5f5cc3@Ephemeros> Since I have my laptop with me, I've decided to take some notes in an effort to provoke some small discussion on the list. * Attendance - Magnus, Netcraft, nominal Chief of Bath.pm - Jez, CTO Netcraft - Andy, from Amtrak - Brian, AFFS (Asssociation for Free Software) - Richard Smedley, Future Publishing - Gary, J&G Web Design - Colin, from Netcraft - Amias, cft * Apologies - Pete - Jason - Jon * CFT Co-operative - Amias lets us all in on his master plan to form a co-operative of Perl and web related freelancers - Magnus thinks this is a good idea, getting a long page of photos and listing people's skills might help freelancers/contractors - Magnus asks if that is what Iterative is/was/will be * Wiki/Content Management - Magnus explains why Wiki is no good for his latest domain name * Perl 6 - No-one sees the point in Perl 6 and we don't think it will take off - Amias 'kind of' sees the point - Richard points out that the vast legacy perl in CPAN could be the biggest problem - Perhaps perl 6 will end up being used mostly in universities to give the clever people there something to think about - Jez suggests that perl 6 is becoming a different languages and should therefore have a different name - Magnus reckons that VB6 was probably more backwards compatible with VB5 than Perl 6 and 5 will be - Gary asks what CPAN is * Imperial vs Metric measurements - After a brief discussion of what shape Ounces and Hectares are, Magnus asks whether Perl is Imperial or Metric - Jez points out Perl is probably imperial as Perl 5 was written by Americans - Magnus wonders if more European involvement in Perl6 means it will be Metric * Jez points out my laptop runs XP - Short discussion about Microsoft licensing and whether or not it's possible to get away with running Office XP with someone else's licence. Time will tell. - Magnus suggests a Linux XP distribution - Amias suggests that Bath.pm notes should not be taken on closed source software - Jez further points out that now everyone signed their name above they've all been tainted * Richard S suggests a pub that serves food and beer for next time - The Porter would be nice but would be very busy - The Bell serves sandwiches but is a long way away - Magnus says if anyone wants to suggest other pubs they can All in all, a very positive meeting. Now we meet regularly perhaps Bath.pm will find it easier to grow. Magnus From acme at astray.com Wed Mar 13 08:53:57 2002 From: acme at astray.com (Leon Brocard) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Bath.pm March 12 Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <000001c1ca89$18bfae30$4a5f5cc3@Ephemeros> References: <000001c1ca89$18bfae30$4a5f5cc3@Ephemeros> Message-ID: <20020313145357.GA27901@ns0> Magnus Huckvale sent the following bits through the ether: > * Perl 6 > - No-one sees the point in Perl 6 and we don't think it will take off > - Amias 'kind of' sees the point > - Richard points out that the vast legacy perl in CPAN could be the > biggest problem > - Perhaps perl 6 will end up being used mostly in universities to > give the clever people there something to think about > - Jez suggests that perl 6 is becoming a different languages and > should therefore have a different name > - Magnus reckons that VB6 was probably more backwards compatible with > VB5 than Perl 6 and 5 will be Um, this has come up often on the London.pm list, so I'll try and comment. Perl6 happened because the Perl community was stagnating and everyone was getting annoyed at the difficulty of changing the Perl core. Perl6 isn't as different from Perl5 as you might think: it's just that the apocalypses only point out the differences, not the similarities. On the whole, Perl5 code will Just Work under Perl6, it's just that there are additions to make things like OO easier. This was not the case with the Perl4->Perl5 transition, of course, which broke quite a bit of code. Some big companies still have Perl4 code running, and that's not a problem. I hope you're not scared by Perl6. A lot of good has come of it (think of all the cool new Perl5 modules in the last year which have come about just 'cos we were thinking of cool new things) and hopefully it'll be a) faster b) easier and c) more popular. What do you reckon? Leon -- Leon Brocard.............................http://www.astray.com/ Nanoware...............................http://www.nanoware.org/ ... I used to have a handle on life, then it broke From mark at profero.com Wed Mar 13 09:09:12 2002 From: mark at profero.com (Mark Fowler) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Bath.pm March 12 Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <000001c1ca89$18bfae30$4a5f5cc3@Ephemeros> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Magnus Huckvale wrote: > Since I have my laptop with me, I've decided to take some notes in an > effort to provoke some small discussion on the list. Laptops and beer don't mix Magnus. Or those dodgy drinks you drink. > * Wiki/Content Management > - Magnus explains why Wiki is no good for his latest domain name Why not? Too free form? > * Perl 6 > - No-one sees the point in Perl 6 and we don't think it will take off > - Amias 'kind of' sees the point > - Richard points out that the vast legacy perl in CPAN could be the > biggest problem > - Perhaps perl 6 will end up being used mostly in universities to > give the clever people there something to think about Maybe. I doubt it though. Some people will use it where they currently use perl and where they use ruby. It really depends on how widespread parrot becomes and how useful it is outside of pure Perl 6 useage. > - Jez suggests that perl 6 is becoming a different languages and > should therefore have a different name This is a very long discussion that we've had on the London.pm list. I think it could do with a new name, or at least a sub-brand. But that's just me. > - Magnus reckons that VB6 was probably more backwards compatible with > VB5 than Perl 6 and 5 will be Yes. The VB releases are roughtly equiv to the difference between 5.6 and 5.8. Simon Wistow (muttley, simon@thegestalt.org) is currently fishing for this kind of commentary, to prepare for a 'debate' he's organising with Damian and Co at a conference (TPC?) Would you send him your opinions please? > * Richard S suggests a pub that serves food and beer for next time > - The Porter would be nice but would be very busy > - The Bell serves sandwiches but is a long way away > - Magnus says if anyone wants to suggest other pubs they can The grapes, if you get there early enough. Maybe a little small. Later. Mark. -- Mark Fowler Technology Developer http://www.indicosoftware.com/ From shevek at anarres.org Sat Mar 16 13:58:45 2002 From: shevek at anarres.org (Shevek) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:57:48 2004 Subject: Bath.pm March 12 Meeting Report In-Reply-To: <20020313145357.GA27901@ns0> Message-ID: I apologised too, on the list! On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, Leon Brocard wrote: > Magnus Huckvale sent the following bits through the ether: > > I hope you're not scared by Perl6. A lot of good has come of it (think > of all the cool new Perl5 modules in the last year which have come > about just 'cos we were thinking of cool new things) and hopefully > it'll be a) faster b) easier and c) more popular. If it gives us threads, I'm game. I think that in general, good programmers tend to be aware on some automatic level of what "might change in the future", and not code such that their code breaks if the language changes a little. I hope I'm one of those programmers. I think that this point is important. That's why I said it and I lay claim to it. It's mine. Ta. S. -- Shevek I am the Borg. sub AUTOLOAD{my$i=$AUTOLOAD;my$x=shift;$i=~s/^.*://;print"$x\n";eval qq{*$AUTOLOAD=sub{my\$x=shift;return unless \$x%$i;&{$x}(\$x);};};} foreach my $i (3..65535) { &{'2'}($i); }