APM: Meeting Report

Fri Jul 27 09:34:02 PDT 2012

I think you bring up the point of distinction I was working on in a round about way.

it is one thing for somebody to come to APM and say they have a project and they're looking for individual help. I am not addressing this in any way, form, or fashion.

The flip side is what can APM do to --promote perl-- by initiating, executing, planning, participating, etc. in activities in which perl may be used? They should be non-commercial in that APM is not supporting or promoting a business. That's not what PM is about, at least it wasn't way back in the 90's when the movement was started. Perhaps it's morphed (I hope not). I have my own interests, ideas, and goals (e.g. http://confusionresearchcenter.org/Projects/) that drive what level of activity I'm willing to give. The two primary points being STEM related (and commercial coding skills is only peripheral to this) hands-on activity and it being related to some real world issue or problem (and my range of interests there are much wider than simply one or two hard sciences, http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1997/02/2082).

---- John_Warner at Dell.com wrote: 
> I'm totally down with this even if it means doing some work for free as I don't get much opportunity to do programming in my current job role.  From my viewpoint, this would be like an unpaid internship and I would get to learn from people outside of my company.  Cross pollination is always a good thing IMO.
> 
> A fun idea would be to hold a programming contest a la the annual ACM programming contests held at various college campuses every year.
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> I'm not speaking to talks or presentations that fit nicely into an hour venue so people can sit around and eat pizza. The utility for that is really not that high.
> 
> I'm talking about a long term effort to have a sequence of projects or events that promote the use of perl by actually doing perl. I realize for some that's a problem due to contractual limitations (ala IBM) but there has to be a better way to promote perl than free pizza and listening to somebodies sales pitch once a month. To be honest, booooring. Hands-on real world, and by real world I mean more than just working on some commercial project. I also recognize that the Pareto Principle will be involved with a vengeance.
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> ---- Taylor Carpenter <taylor at codecafe.com> wrote: 
> > A project/coding-interactive focused meetup group is an interesting idea.
> > 
> > I suggest having a spin-off meeting that allows people who are interested
> > in the project to attend those meetings.   This could be a single on-going
> > project, or a hack meetup to work on several projects of interest....
> > 
> > For the actual PM meetup itself, IMO, it should keep a broad focus in
> > general -- even if we have talks about a specific topic.   Otherwise the
> > group will alienate everyone who is not interested in the current topic.
> > Personally I prefer 2 or 3 talks at a meeting that are short, so that 
> > everyone has a chance of at least one topic being presented of interest.
> > Giving some time for people to ask questions, bring up problems they 
> > are working on, and chat in general is also good.
> > 
> > Zombies and Perl as well as well as problems solved with Perl for the 
> > Trello Bot project are examples of short talks I would be happy to see 
> > at future PM meetings.
> > 
> > BTW, adding an additional hour at the end of the current PM meeting to 
> > allow people to hang out and hack would be fine as well.  Anyone 
> > uninterested in the project can leave after the meeting.
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