From reini at cpanel.net Mon Aug 13 12:35:10 2012 From: reini at cpanel.net (Reini Urban) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 14:35:10 -0500 Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <502956EE.9050907@cpanel.net> Your new president Will posted something about his overly ambitious goal for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks (http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033). I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC, Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler, http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster. I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42. I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of the next Austin.pm meetings. cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C version with 5.14. B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy proposals already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125 But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm not too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to optimize perl. The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like this: http://www.qore.org/ The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time stack. Several ideas were outlined here: http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September would be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe. -- Reini Register Now for cPanel Conference Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas http://conference.cpanel.net/ From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Aug 13 13:16:15 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:16:15 -0500 Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler Message-ID: <20120813201615.9D2F3A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Reini, Thank you very much for both your private technical reply, as well as the open reply to Austin Perl Mongers. We would love to have you as the primary presenter at our September meeting, which is scheduled for 8pm on Wednesday September 26th. Does that date and time work for you? Thanks,~ Will On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Reini Urban wrote:Your new president Will posted something about his overly ambitious goal for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks (http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033). I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC, Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler, http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster. I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42. I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of the next Austin.pm meetings. cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C version with 5.14. B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy proposals already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125 But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm not too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to optimize perl. The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like this: http://www.qore.org/ The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time stack. Several ideas were outlined here: http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September would be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe. -- Reini Register Now for cPanel Conference Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas http://conference.cpanel.net/ _______________________________________________ Austin mailing list Austin at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reini at cpanel.net Mon Aug 13 13:21:38 2012 From: reini at cpanel.net (Reini Urban) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:21:38 -0500 Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler In-Reply-To: <20120813201615.9D2F3A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20120813201615.9D2F3A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: <502961D2.2030107@cpanel.net> On 08/13/2012 03:16 PM, Will Braswell wrote: > Reini, > > Thank you very much for both your private technical reply, as well as > the open reply to Austin Perl Mongers. > > We would love to have you as the primary presenter at our September > meeting, which is scheduled for 8pm on Wednesday September 26th. > > Does that date and time work for you? Sure, I'll come. Can you also ask Marc Lehmann to come, if possible. He has the most insight of all p5 developers. > On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Reini Urban wrote: > > Your new president Will posted something about his overly ambitious > goal > for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks > (http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033). > > I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC, > Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler, > http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster. > I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which > became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42. > > I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of the > next Austin.pm meetings. > > cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for > several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C version > with 5.14. > > B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter > language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy proposals > already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125 > But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm not > too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to > optimize perl. > > The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like > this: > http://www.qore.org/ > The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not > pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time stack. > Several ideas were outlined here: > http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page > > In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is > tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September would > be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe. > -- > Reini > > Register Now for cPanel Conference > Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas > http://conference.cpanel.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -- Reini Register Now for cPanel Conference Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas http://conference.cpanel.net/ From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Aug 13 13:36:11 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Mon, 13 Aug 2012 15:36:11 -0500 Subject: APM: Optimizing perl compiler Message-ID: <20120813203612.20B98A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Reini, Mark Lehmann is now the Vice President of the Austin Perl Mongers. I assume he will be at the September 26th meeting unless he has some other pre-existing plans. Mark, we await your confirmation of availability for the September meeting. Thanks,~ Will On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 3:21 PM, Reini Urban wrote:On 08/13/2012 03:16 PM, Will Braswell wrote: > Reini, > > Thank you very much for both your private technical reply, as well as > the open reply to Austin Perl Mongers. > > We would love to have you as the primary presenter at our September > meeting, which is scheduled for 8pm on Wednesday September 26th. > > Does that date and time work for you? Sure, I'll come. Can you also ask Marc Lehmann to come, if possible. He has the most insight of all p5 developers. > On Monday, August 13, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Reini Urban wrote: > > Your new president Will posted something about his overly ambitious > goal > for YAPC::US 2013 in beautiful Austin (Yeah!) on perlmonks > (http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987033). > > I am the maintainer of the perl compiler B::C/B::CC, > Mark Lehmann is the only significant other perl dev with a compiler, > http://search.cpan.org/dist/Faster. > I moved to Houston to work full-time on the compiler last year, which > became stable in December 2012 with version 1.42. > > I thought we will should discuss such an effort and ideas in one of the > next Austin.pm meetings. > > cPanel is using the non-optimizing compiler B::C in production for > several years with 5.6, and will switch soon to the latest B::C version > with 5.14. > > B::CC or other efforts can only profit from an optionally tighter > language, with const and types. I prepared some nice and easy proposals > already. See http://perlmonks.org/index.pl?node_id=987125 > But I'm not confident that p5p wants to discuss this at all. So I'm not > too optimistic to get const or type support at all to be able to > optimize perl. > > The fallback plan is to use something like perl 7 which looks like > this: > http://www.qore.org/ > The current XS API might have to go, as XS function calls should not > pick up their args from a perl array, rather from the C run-time stack. > Several ideas were outlined here: > http://corehackers.perl.org/wiki/index.php5?title=Main_Page > > In October I'm there for the Austin Film Festival, but my schedule is > tight because there are many good films not to miss. So September would > be best. August is full with p5 meetings in Europe. > -- > Reini > > Register Now for cPanel Conference > Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas > http://conference.cpanel.net/ > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -- Reini Register Now for cPanel Conference Oct 8-10, 2012, Houston, Texas http://conference.cpanel.net/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Aug 14 11:55:18 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:55:18 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting time / location Message-ID: Do we have a location for next week's meeting? I assume the 8p-10p time slot again? I just wanted to put another Eventbrite event out there. Thanks, Jeremy -- Jeremy Fluhmann *http://twitter.com/jfluhmann** http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org* -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbraswell at hush.com Tue Aug 14 20:21:55 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2012 22:21:55 -0500 Subject: APM: Meeting time / location Message-ID: <20120815032155.BA6B2A6E40@smtp.hushmail.com> Jeremy & Mongers, I've called around to find this month's Austin Perl Mongers meeting place, scheduled for 8pm next Wednesday, August 22nd. I am 95% sure we will be meeting in the private dining room of: Reale's Italian Cafe13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750 http://www.realespizza.com/ I've dined at Reale's many times and can vouch for the quality. I spoke to the manager today, and I will confirm the reservation with him tomorrow, at which time I will send a status update. The current August Austin.pm meeting agenda includes: Jeremy: YAPC::NA 2013 Planning & LogisticsWill: Perl 5 Optimizing Compiler & Trello Bot Does anyone else have any items to add to the agenda? Thanks,~ Will On Tuesday, August 14, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote:Do we have a location for next week's meeting? I assume the 8p-10p time slot again? I just wanted to put another Eventbrite event out there. Thanks,Jeremy-- Jeremy Fluhmann _http://twitter.com/jfluhmann_ http://jfluhmann.edublogs.org Texas Linux Fest - http://www.texaslinuxfest.org Texas Open Source Project - http://texos.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wbraswell at hush.com Mon Aug 20 16:26:17 2012 From: wbraswell at hush.com (Will Braswell) Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2012 18:26:17 -0500 Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm Message-ID: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Howdy Mongers, This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting... Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pmReale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750(512) 335-5115 Discussion topics include YAPC 2013 planning and an optimizing Perl 5 compiler. Perling,~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fluhmann at gmail.com Tue Aug 21 22:07:28 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 00:07:28 -0500 Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm In-Reply-To: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, Will. Here's the Eventbrite event - http://austinpm.eventbrite.com/ Looking forward to seeing everyone again! Cheers, Jeremy On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote: > Howdy Mongers, > > This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting... > > Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm > Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room > 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750 > (512) 335-5115 > > Discussion topics include YAPC 2013 planning and an optimizing Perl 5 > compiler. > > Perling, > ~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.pm > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at marklehmann.com Wed Aug 22 08:05:07 2012 From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:05:07 -0500 Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: Guy's I cannot make it tonight. I got unintentionally triple booked for this timeframe. Will, I'll try to get you your shirt before the September meeting. On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 12:07 AM, Jeremy Fluhmann wrote: > Thanks, Will. Here's the Eventbrite event - > http://austinpm.eventbrite.com/ > > Looking forward to seeing everyone again! > > Cheers, > Jeremy > > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote: > >> Howdy Mongers, >> >> This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting... >> >> Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm >> Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room >> 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750 >> (512) 335-5115 >> >> Discussion topics include YAPC 2013 planning and an optimizing Perl 5 >> compiler. >> >> Perling, >> ~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.pm >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Austin mailing list >> Austin at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin >> > > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -- Mark Lehmann 512 689-7705 M -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tmcd at panix.com Wed Aug 22 08:19:00 2012 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 10:19:00 -0500 (CDT) Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote: > This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting... > > Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm > Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room > 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750 > (512) 335-5115 For convenience, https://maps.google.com/maps?q=Reale%27s+Pizza+%26+Italian+Cafe+austin+tx&hl=en&ll=30.447083,-97.788363&spn=0.030116,0.047336&sll=37.6,-95.665&sspn=55.628958,96.943359&t=m&z=15 http://www.realespizza.com/ More of an "About Us" story than I have ever seen before. -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From fluhmann at gmail.com Wed Aug 22 16:37:06 2012 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2012 18:37:06 -0500 Subject: APM: Monthly Meeting, Weds August 22, 8pm In-Reply-To: References: <20120820232617.62353A6E3F@smtp.hushmail.com> Message-ID: I'll likely be late. Trying to finish up at work and then will be headed that way. Jeremy On Aug 22, 2012 10:19 AM, "Tim McDaniel" wrote: > On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:26 PM, Will Braswell wrote: > >> This is confirmation of our upcoming monthly meeting... >> >> Wednesday, August 22, 8pm - 9:30pm >> Reale's Pizza & Italian Cafe, Private Dining Room >> 13450 North Highway 183, Austin, TX 78750 >> (512) 335-5115 >> > > For convenience, > > https://maps.google.com/maps?**q=Reale%27s+Pizza+%26+Italian+** > Cafe+austin+tx&hl=en&ll=30.**447083,-97.788363&spn=0.** > 030116,0.047336&sll=37.6,-95.**665&sspn=55.628958,96.943359&**t=m&z=15 > http://www.realespizza.com/ > More of an "About Us" story than I have ever seen before. > > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > ______________________________**_________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/**listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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You can see some relatively in-depth discussion (read: Holy War) about this on Perl Monks: http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=987033http://perlmonks.org/?node_id=988109 Also of interest to developers and spectators may be the Trello board I've created for this project, it is part of the Austin.pm Trello organization: https://trello.com/austinperlmongers Currently, we plan to have Perl-compiling-guy Brian "Ingy dot net" Ingerson come visit Austin for one of our weekly Tuesday meetings, probably on September 18th. We will then have also-compiler-guy Reini Urban visit for our Wednesday monthly meeting on September 26th. The second half of the meeting was spent with Jeremy presenting about YAPC 2013 to be held here in Austin. Jeremy is in contact with Reini's coworkers at cPanel in Houston, who are graciously sponsoring the YAPC event. Over the coming days and weeks Jeremy will try to set up a dual visit where one of the YAPC guys can maybe drive over with Reini for the September 26 meeting. Since cPanel is sponsoring the YAPC event, Austin Perl Mongers should try our best to be good local hosts and work closely with cPanel to make this the most awesome YAPC ever! Perling,~ Will Braswell, President, Austin.PM -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: