From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 2 07:25:52 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:25:52 +0000 Subject: APM: Computation and Mathematical Proof In-Reply-To: <20081226202053.9CIAE.372597.root@hrndva-web28-z01> Message-ID: <20090102152552.HZMTD.425309.root@hrndva-web05-z02> http://metamodern.com/2008/11/10/26/ -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 2 07:27:34 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:27:34 +0000 Subject: APM: Greedy Algorithms In-Reply-To: <20081226202053.9CIAE.372597.root@hrndva-web28-z01> Message-ID: <20090102152734.9X216.425340.root@hrndva-web05-z02> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/mit-introduction-to-algorithms-part-eleven/ -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 2 07:39:06 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 9:39:06 -0600 Subject: APM: Beej's Guide to Network Programming - Using Internet Sockets In-Reply-To: <20090102152734.9X216.425340.root@hrndva-web05-z02> Message-ID: <20090102153906.FF2LT.425463.root@hrndva-web05-z02> http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/output/html/multipage/index.html -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 2 07:42:36 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 15:42:36 +0000 Subject: APM: Wirth - A Brief History of Software Engineering In-Reply-To: <20090102152734.9X216.425340.root@hrndva-web05-z02> Message-ID: <20090102154236.HD24G.425498.root@hrndva-web05-z02> http://www.inf.ethz.ch/personal/wirth/Articles/Miscellaneous/IEEE-Annals.pdf -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Fri Jan 2 07:51:28 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Fri, 2 Jan 2009 9:51:28 -0600 Subject: APM: Schneier on Security - Here Comes Everybody (Coase's Theorem) In-Reply-To: <20090102152734.9X216.425340.root@hrndva-web05-z02> Message-ID: <20090102155128.D7Y7Y.425559.root@hrndva-web05-z02> http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/11/here_comes_ever.html -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From tshinnic at io.com Fri Jan 2 17:38:07 2009 From: tshinnic at io.com (Thomas L. Shinnick) Date: Fri, 02 Jan 2009 19:38:07 -0600 Subject: APM: Schneier on Security - Here Comes Everybody (Coase's Theorem) In-Reply-To: <20090102155128.D7Y7Y.425559.root@hrndva-web05-z02> References: <20090102152734.9X216.425340.root@hrndva-web05-z02> <20090102155128.D7Y7Y.425559.root@hrndva-web05-z02> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090102192624.02d271f8@io.com> At 09:51 AM 1/2/2009, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: >http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2008/11/here_comes_ever.html Drat. It's the nature of following links that you are presented with "new! must have!" quandaries. In one of the reader reviews of "Here Comes Everybody: The Power of Organizing Without Organizations" by Clay Shirky, somebody says their notes about the book included "+ Excellent account of how Perl beat out C++ " I suppose now I'll have to buy the book... just to see what they're on about. Ahhh, "search inside book" ... 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I didn't see Pilot, Logo, or rc in there :) -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 4 14:47:35 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 22:47:35 +0000 Subject: APM: Computational Journalism In-Reply-To: <20090104163724.TQGD3.432434.root@hrndva-web19-z01> Message-ID: <20090104224735.LKRBA.2117.root@hrndva-web19-z01> http://news.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/01/04/2026205 -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 4 19:09:27 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:09:27 -0600 Subject: APM: Cinema Fiction vs Physics Reality: Ghosts, Vampires and Zombies In-Reply-To: <20090104224735.LKRBA.2117.root@hrndva-web19-z01> Message-ID: <20090105030928.IG9LR.4150.root@hrndva-web19-z01> ---- jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > Found this very interesting... http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0608059 -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From fluhmann at gmail.com Sun Jan 4 21:13:38 2009 From: fluhmann at gmail.com (Jeremy Fluhmann) Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 23:13:38 -0600 Subject: APM: Cinema Fiction vs Physics Reality: Ghosts, Vampires and Zombies In-Reply-To: <20090105030928.IG9LR.4150.root@hrndva-web19-z01> References: <20090104224735.LKRBA.2117.root@hrndva-web19-z01> <20090105030928.IG9LR.4150.root@hrndva-web19-z01> Message-ID: <7f7c2d5e0901042113u52836747ke01ae183c85c4569@mail.gmail.com> If you're not already on Twitter, you may be interested. Many of your posts would be perfect for it! Jeremy On Sun, Jan 4, 2009 at 9:09 PM, wrote: > > ---- jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > > > > Found this very interesting... > > http://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0608059 > > -- -- -- -- > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > James Choate > jameschoate at austin.rr.com > james.choate at twcable.com > 512-657-1279 > www.ssz.com > > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > -- -- -- -- > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I can assign authority to others for managing it if anybody wants to help. -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Tue Jan 6 17:29:37 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 1:29:37 +0000 Subject: APM: BumpTop Beta In-Reply-To: <20090106153738.FCQU9.2229.root@hrndva-web22-z01> Message-ID: <20090107012937.Q4Q9Z.29046.root@hrndva-web07-z02> Hi, I got an interesting email today, an invite to the BumpTop 3D Desktop Beta. I'd submitted my request about two years ago and just pretty much given up on it. You can find the demo video on YouTube. www.bumptop.com I'm going to be installing it in my Toshiba Protege M200 Tablet PC (2 GHz Pentium M).. Anybody else get an invite? -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From taylor at codecafe.com Tue Jan 6 17:38:21 2009 From: taylor at codecafe.com (Taylor Carpenter) Date: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 19:38:21 -0600 Subject: APM: BumpTop Beta In-Reply-To: <20090107012937.Q4Q9Z.29046.root@hrndva-web07-z02> References: <20090107012937.Q4Q9Z.29046.root@hrndva-web07-z02> Message-ID: <8751C481-A84A-4EDE-AE28-E0E961CE8581@codecafe.com> No invite over here... I dig it in general.. but it is going to be wasting a bunch of screen realestate for now... It would be really nice on save a Microsoft Surface.. or some really big screen and large wacom tablet. On Jan 6, 2009, at 7:29 PM, wrote: > > Hi, > > I got an interesting email today, an invite to the BumpTop > 3D Desktop Beta. I'd submitted my request about two > years ago and just pretty much given up on it. > > You can find the demo video on YouTube. > > www.bumptop.com > > I'm going to be installing it in my Toshiba Protege > M200 Tablet PC (2 GHz Pentium M).. > > Anybody else get an invite? -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: smime.p7s Type: application/pkcs7-signature Size: 2421 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Tue Jan 6 23:59:42 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (James Choate) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 01:59:42 -0600 Subject: APM: BumpTop Beta References: <20090107012937.Q4Q9Z.29046.root@hrndva-web07-z02> Message-ID: Hi, Installed BumpTop this evening while at work doing some system upgrades w/ lots of time waiting on bits to move about. Very cool, like the interface very much. Doesn't seem to lose any of the normal windows functionality while adding some neat features. I suggest any Windows users sign up, there is a Mac version coming. Don't know if they let you sign up just for that. I did sign up for that version as well. Will be interesting to see how it interacts with the generic OS X interface on my two Mac books. Check it out, should be worth your effort! Take care. ps What is the topic for this months meeting anyway? ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Tuesday, January 06, 2009 7:29 PM Subject: APM: BumpTop Beta > > Hi, > > I got an interesting email today, an invite to the BumpTop > 3D Desktop Beta. I'd submitted my request about two > years ago and just pretty much given up on it. > > You can find the demo video on YouTube. > > www.bumptop.com > > I'm going to be installing it in my Toshiba Protege > M200 Tablet PC (2 GHz Pentium M).. > > Anybody else get an invite? > > -- -- -- -- > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus > > James Choate > jameschoate at austin.rr.com > james.choate at twcable.com > 512-657-1279 > www.ssz.com > > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise > -- -- -- -- > > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin > From ian at remmler.org Wed Jan 7 14:37:15 2009 From: ian at remmler.org (Ian Remmler) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 16:37:15 -0600 Subject: APM: January meeting Message-ID: <20090107223715.GA6588@brane> On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:59:42AM -0600, James Choate wrote: > ps What is the topic for this months meeting anyway? Good question! Another one is where and when are we meeting. As the newly suckered^Welected president, I guess I should answer them, or something. We've traditionally met on the third Wednesday of the month. Unless there is overwhelming opposition, I say we stick with that. As for the venue, Mangia at Gracy Farm worked well in the past. The room is free as long as people eat some pizza. Genuine Joe's was nice, but someone will have to buy a lot of coffee with gift cards if we go that route. What would really be nice is for some organization to let us borrow some space - especially if it includes the use of a projector and wifi - for the meetings. Any ideas? And as for the topic - Is anyone just dieing to present on something in particular? I'll admit that my main interest in Perl is Perl 6, and I've tended to do a talk once a year or so on the state thereof. I'd be happy to do that once again if need be. Other suggestions? -- - Ian. From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Wed Jan 7 17:20:18 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 1:20:18 +0000 Subject: APM: January meeting In-Reply-To: <20090107223715.GA6588@brane> Message-ID: <20090108012018.82FIN.41278.root@hrndva-web17-z02> Hey, I'd like to suggest another venue. It's called Frugal Media and it's at 5400 N. Lamar. It's a used bookstore with plenty of seating space and they have wireless. That's the same building that Laboratory Computers was in. http://www.frugalmedia.com When I can find the business card I'll put the managers name and phone up. I spoke with them after Christmas and they were quite interested in hosting such activity. As to topic, I'd like to suggest a change with regard to the general approach to the meeting. Instead of them being primarily a presentation mechanism I'd like to suggest the default to be a 'problem solving' session. There are plenty of books and websites with small interesting problems. I just picked up a copy of "Problems on Algorithms" by Ian Parberry. Another good author is Pickover. I have quite a number of these sorts of books ranging across many topics, not just comp-sci. Parberry's book has chapters like: Mathematical Induction Big-O and Big-Ohmega Correctness Proofs Divide and Conquor Data Structures A good site to take a look at is www.4share.com as they have many books in electronic format. Also, sites like arXiv and CiteSeer have cutting edge papers on many topics that should be good to whet appetites with. It's my view that if you want to really understand what people are working on these pre-print/e-print archives are the place to hang out. So, what I'm proposing is that the default for the APM meetings is for atendees to bring their laptop, some pen & paper, some books or papers to share with the group. The primary goal is to first improve problem solving, and secondarily to write some Perl code where appropriate. http://www.4share.com http://arxiv.org http://citeseer.ist.psu.edu/ http://www.dmoz.org/ http://www.scribd.com/ http://openlibrary.org/ http://www.ulib.org/ http://onlinebooks.library.upenn.edu/ http://mathworld.wolfram.com/ http://www.math-atlas.org/ http://primes.utm.edu/ http://math.nist.gov/ http://calgo.acm.org/ http://www.cs.sunysb.edu/~algorith/ http://www.softsurfer.com/ http://www.algosort.com/ http://www.edge.org/ http://home.earthlink.net/~dwaha/research/machine-learning.html http://bytes.com/ http://www.codeproject.com/ http://www.codeplex.com/ http://labs.oreilly.com/code/ http://www.thefreecountry.com/ http://www.planet-source-code.com/ http://cryptodox.com/Main_Page ---- Ian Remmler wrote: > On Wed, Jan 07, 2009 at 01:59:42AM -0600, James Choate wrote: > > ps What is the topic for this months meeting anyway? > > Good question! Another one is where and when are we meeting. > As the newly suckered^Welected president, I guess I should > answer them, or something. We've traditionally met on the third > Wednesday of the month. Unless there is overwhelming > opposition, I say we stick with that. > > As for the venue, Mangia at Gracy Farm worked well in the past. > The room is free as long as people eat some pizza. Genuine > Joe's was nice, but someone will have to buy a lot of coffee > with gift cards if we go that route. What would really be nice > is for some organization to let us borrow some space - > especially if it includes the use of a projector and wifi - for > the meetings. Any ideas? > > And as for the topic - Is anyone just dieing to present on > something in particular? I'll admit that my main interest in > Perl is Perl 6, and I've tended to do a talk once a year or so > on the state thereof. I'd be happy to do that once again if > need be. Other suggestions? > > -- > - Ian. > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Wed Jan 7 17:36:16 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 1:36:16 +0000 Subject: APM: Suggested Jan 09 Problems Message-ID: <20090108013616.UEQ24.41532.root@hrndva-web17-z02> Steganograpy http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0529 Artificial Life http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0318 Grid Computing http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0291 Quantitative Finance - Experimental Economics http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.040 Quantitative Biology http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0866 Cryptography http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0911 Evolutionary Biology http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0399 Mathematics http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0827 Physics http://arxiv.org/abs/0901.0774 -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From ian at remmler.org Wed Jan 7 20:18:51 2009 From: ian at remmler.org (Ian Remmler) Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 22:18:51 -0600 Subject: APM: January meeting In-Reply-To: <20090108012018.82FIN.41278.root@hrndva-web17-z02> References: <20090107223715.GA6588@brane> <20090108012018.82FIN.41278.root@hrndva-web17-z02> Message-ID: <20090108041851.GA8016@brane> On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 01:20:18AM +0000, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > I'd like to suggest another venue. It's called Frugal Media and > it's at 5400 N. Lamar. It's a used bookstore with plenty of > seating space and they have wireless. That's the same > building that Laboratory Computers was in. Sounds interesting. Please do look into it if you'd like. > As to topic, I'd like to suggest a change with regard to > the general approach to the meeting. Instead of them > being primarily a presentation mechanism I'd like to > suggest the default to be a 'problem solving' session. I like the idea of having different types of meetings, or different sessions within a meeting. Having shorter sessions means less pressure for presenters, and if someone has to bow out at the last minute, there is still something lined up. We did some Bring Your Perl Problems type meetings a while back, and I think they were very beneficial. > So, what I'm proposing is that the default for > the APM meetings is for atendees to bring > their laptop, some pen & paper, some books > or papers to share with the group. The primary > goal is to first improve problem solving, and > secondarily to write some Perl code where > appropriate. I generally like the idea, but I feel the emphasis should be on How To Solve Problems Using Perl. If we go too far toward How To Solve Problems (and I guess we can use Perl to do it), I think we're getting a bit too big for our PM britches. That would fit better in a more general group like I mentioned at the last meeting. I think APM would benefit from an association with such a group, but I'd rather it not morph into something that isn't PM anymore. -- - Ian. From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Wed Jan 7 22:04:37 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 6:04:37 +0000 Subject: APM: January meeting In-Reply-To: <20090108041851.GA8016@brane> Message-ID: <20090108060437.D7RC0.33878.root@hrndva-web03-z02> Hi, ---- Ian Remmler wrote: > On Thu, Jan 08, 2009 at 01:20:18AM +0000, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > > I'd like to suggest another venue. It's called Frugal Media and > > it's at 5400 N. Lamar. It's a used bookstore with plenty of > > seating space and they have wireless. That's the same > > building that Laboratory Computers was in. > > Sounds interesting. Please do look into it if you'd like. As I indicated before, I spoke w/ the manager just after Christmas. They have wireless and are happy to provide space for groups. They have plenty of seating. The contact info is: Frugal Media 5400 N. Lamar (old Laboratory Computers bldg.) Erik Franks, CEO c: 512-947-9460 w:512-929-3800 x1001 efranks at frugalmedia.com -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From howanitz at gmail.com Thu Jan 8 05:50:16 2009 From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz) Date: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 07:50:16 -0600 Subject: APM: January meeting In-Reply-To: <20090108041851.GA8016@brane> References: <20090107223715.GA6588@brane> <20090108012018.82FIN.41278.root@hrndva-web17-z02> <20090108041851.GA8016@brane> Message-ID: On Wed, Jan 7, 2009 at 10:18 PM, Ian Remmler wrote: [SNIP] > I like the idea of having different types of meetings, or > different sessions within a meeting. Having shorter sessions > means less pressure for presenters, and if someone has to bow > out at the last minute, there is still something lined up. [SNIP] I agree with you Ian. I will also point out that Tim said he had a good topic for a talk two meetings ago, and I remember that it sounded very interesting at the time. (No pressure Tim.... ;-)) One other possible issue with having an /entire/ meeting be a problem solving session is that it may be intimidating to new Perl users, which I think was the last meeting, bringing more people in. I would like to also say that I like the Mangia location for the availability of food and drinks at the meeting, but would not be opposed to rotating locations, especially if it brings in more people. It would be nice not to have to print a map out before each meeting though. Maybe if we were going to include an abstract problem challenge at the end of the meeting, it could be posted to the list and the website a week or so before the meeting by whoever was going to cover that part of the meeting. Then that presenter could take solution submissions by email and go over the solutions at the meeting - highlighting his solution and the most elegant correct submission he received. (Just an idea for an alternative format.) One last thing - if we were to have a couple getting started with Perl meetings, with some basic topics - I wonder if we could not then advertise it with geekaustin or one of those other groups. They just finished a basic db course, so maybe it could be an introduction to db management and manipulation with Perl or something along those lines. Just some ideas. -- -Keith From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 11 09:54:46 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Sun, 11 Jan 2009 17:54:46 +0000 Subject: APM: Sub-linear Time Algorithms In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090111175447.0CAN7.55525.root@hrndva-web23-z02> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7ow1g/sublinear_time_algorithms_when_on_isnt_good/ -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Sun Jan 11 16:40:35 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Mon, 12 Jan 2009 0:40:35 +0000 Subject: APM: Fwd: Re: [Robotgroup] SxSW, Bar Camp 4, dorkbot 19, and EFF's Plutopia 2009 @ SxSW Party dates Message-ID: <20090112004035.SJGI9.56915.root@hrndva-web26-z01> Hi Folks, If anyone has any projects, Perl based or otherwise, or would like to participate in other ways please be aware there are several events scheduled for 2009. -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- -------------- next part -------------- An embedded message was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20090120215541.GA5054@brane> Sorry for the very short notice. I reserved the party room at Mangia on Gracy Farm for 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM tomorrow night, Wednesday 1/21. http://www.mangiapizza.com/33/Gracy-Farms.htm I'll demo the latest rakudo and show some actual functional code some people have written in Perl 6. It shouldn't take too long, so if anyone has any interesting Perl bits they would like to share, feel free to bring a laptop, or just stand up and blab for a few minutes. Does anyone happen to have a projector that we could borrow for the evening? If not, everyone will just have to look at my laptop screen with a really big xterm font. -- - Ian. From tshinnic at io.com Tue Jan 20 19:12:42 2009 From: tshinnic at io.com (Thomas L. Shinnick) Date: Tue, 20 Jan 2009 21:12:42 -0600 Subject: APM: January Meeting - tomorrow! In-Reply-To: <20090120215541.GA5054@brane> References: <20090120215541.GA5054@brane> Message-ID: <6.2.5.6.2.20090120210151.02d72c60@io.com> At 03:55 PM 1/20/2009, Ian Remmler wrote: >Sorry for the very short notice. I reserved the party room at >Mangia on Gracy Farm for 7:00 PM - 9:00 PM tomorrow night, >Wednesday 1/21. > >http://www.mangiapizza.com/33/Gracy-Farms.htm > >I'll demo the latest rakudo and show some actual functional code >some people have written in Perl 6. It shouldn't take too long, >so if anyone has any interesting Perl bits they would like to >share, feel free to bring a laptop, or just stand up and blab >for a few minutes. Did you install rakudo on Windows or Linux? I was able to get 'most' of rakudo built, but using the Strawberry Perl 5.10 release to allow compiles as it has its own complete build environment. But... a few rakudo build problems and much poking of makefiles. Classic was that since cygwin *nix tools were (originally) in the path, the build thought it could use Bash but then also '\' path separators because it was Windows. Actually I've been peering under the lid of the rakudo compiling setup, and at one group's poke at implementing Javascript. So far my only exposure to real Perl 6 is looking at the regex stuff in the parser's. I'll be there. Perl 6 for me so far is sorta like how I recognize spoken Korean - it sounds _just_ like Japanese but it's not Japanese - I know it solely by what it is not? > >Does anyone happen to have a projector that we could borrow for >the evening? If not, everyone will just have to look at my >laptop screen with a really big xterm font. > > >-- > - Ian. -- I'm a pessimist about probabilities; I'm an optimist about possibilities. Lewis Mumford (1895-1990) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Interestingly, I just tried the latest SVN checkout, and it built fine, but there was an error when I ran it. So it's very much in flux. I have no personal desire to attempt to build rakudo on Windows, but more power to you! -- - Ian. From jim at laceytech.com Thu Jan 22 07:37:56 2009 From: jim at laceytech.com (Jim Lacey) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 09:37:56 -0600 Subject: APM: Moose Message-ID: <8a1db4490901220737l7afef1c3k573d9c5570780dc2@mail.gmail.com> More information on Moose http://www.iinteractive.com/moose/ -- James Lacey Laceytech 11607 Buckingham Road Austin, TX 78759 +1 512 335 7422 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm not trying to show off or slam anyone, but I'm interested in urban legends and popular etymologies. -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From jameschoate at austin.rr.com Thu Jan 22 12:43:05 2009 From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 20:43:05 +0000 Subject: APM: Sincerity In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20090122204305.1MW2S.199475.root@hrndva-web14-z01> http://www.british-israel.ca/are_you_sincere.htm http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sin+cere+without+wax&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= ---- Tim McDaniel wrote: > As an aside, someone mentioned the etymology of "sincere" at the > meeting last night. > echoes the American Heritage Dictionary and other ones: > > The Oxford English Dictionary and most scholars state that > sincerity from sincere is derived from the Latin sincerus meaning > clean, pure, sound (152535). Sincerus may have once meant "one > growth" (not mixed), from sin- (one) and crescere (to > grow). Crescere derives from "Ceres," the goddess of grain, as in > "cereal."[3][4] > > and > > The Oxford English Dictionary states, however, that "There is no > probability in the old explanation from sine cera 'without wax'". > > I'm not trying to show off or slam anyone, but I'm interested in urban > legends and popular etymologies. > > -- > Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com > _______________________________________________ > Austin mailing list > Austin at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From tmcd at panix.com Thu Jan 22 13:11:24 2009 From: tmcd at panix.com (Tim McDaniel) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 15:11:24 -0600 (CST) Subject: APM: Sincerity In-Reply-To: <20090122204305.1MW2S.199475.root@hrndva-web14-z01> References: <20090122204305.1MW2S.199475.root@hrndva-web14-z01> Message-ID: On Thu, 22 Jan 2009, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: wrote: > http://www.british-israel.ca/are_you_sincere.htm > > http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=sin+cere+without+wax&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq= Those are ways to find people who believe in the etymology "sin cere". Nevertheless, I cited (Wikipedia citing) the Oxford English Dictionary and the American Heritage Dictionary. Both are considered quite reputable and knowledgable. Seagulls don't explode if you feed them Alka-Seltzer, for example, regardless of the thousands of Web sites that say that they do. If you're interested in urban legends, e-mailed lore, and such, I suggest http://www.snopes.com/, http://straightdope.com/ (from the Straight Dope columns by "Cecil Adams"), and http://alt-usage-english.org/ (their FAQ also says that the "without wax" explanation is not true). -- Tim McDaniel, tmcd at panix.com From stainles at bga.com Thu Jan 22 19:22:03 2009 From: stainles at bga.com (Dwight Brown) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 21:22:03 -0600 Subject: APM: Moose In-Reply-To: <8a1db4490901220737l7afef1c3k573d9c5570780dc2@mail.gmail.com> References: <8a1db4490901220737l7afef1c3k573d9c5570780dc2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2A2F777C-EA59-4EF8-A22E-876253655946@bga.com> On Jan 22, 2009, at 9:37 AM, Jim Lacey wrote: > More information on Moose > http://www.iinteractive.com/moose/ What about squirrel? ==Dwight (Look, somebody had to do it.) (And, for my next trick, watch me pull a rabbit out of my hat.) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When your own code doesn't actually care whether or not you use Moose or Mouse you can use either, and let your users decide for you. This lets you run with minimal dependencies and have a faster startup, but if Moose is already in use you get all the benefits of using that (transformability, introspection, more opportunities for code reuse, etc). -- Tim McDaniel; Reply-To: tmcd at panix.com From jim at laceytech.com Thu Jan 22 21:51:03 2009 From: jim at laceytech.com (Jim Lacey) Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:51:03 -0600 Subject: APM: Moose In-Reply-To: <2A2F777C-EA59-4EF8-A22E-876253655946@bga.com> References: <8a1db4490901220737l7afef1c3k573d9c5570780dc2@mail.gmail.com> <2A2F777C-EA59-4EF8-A22E-876253655946@bga.com> Message-ID: <8a1db4490901222151l12f3521evf6196d99d9beacf2@mail.gmail.com> wabbit! 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Message-ID: <20090125171242.5LOTX.2014.root@hrndva-web25-z02> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7sazl/parrot_rakudo_why_did_they_name_it_perl_6_i_dont/ -- -- -- -- -- Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus James Choate jameschoate at austin.rr.com james.choate at twcable.com 512-657-1279 www.ssz.com Adapt, Adopt, Improvise -- -- -- -- From ian at remmler.org Sun Jan 25 09:34:51 2009 From: ian at remmler.org (Ian Remmler) Date: Sun, 25 Jan 2009 11:34:51 -0600 Subject: APM: Parrot & Rakudo: Why did they name it Perl 6? I don't think anyone's even going to call it "Perl". In-Reply-To: <20090125171242.5LOTX.2014.root@hrndva-web25-z02> References: <20090125171242.5LOTX.2014.root@hrndva-web25-z02> Message-ID: <20090125173451.GA14448@brane> On Sun, Jan 25, 2009 at 05:12:41PM +0000, jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: > http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7sazl/parrot_rakudo_why_did_they_name_it_perl_6_i_dont/ Interesting take. The intent of using Rakudo was to indicate that the Parrot-based Perl 6 is AN implementation, instead of THE implementation like Perl 5. s/perl/rakudo/g would defeat that purpose, so I was about to dismiss the idea, but now I'm wondering if naming just the executable as rakudo might not be just enough of a psychological nudge. You'd still have Perl Monks etc., but when people see /usr/bin/rakudo, they'll know it's something distinct from Perl 5. -- - Ian.