From plange at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 12:43:09 2008
From: plange at gmail.com (Paul Lange)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:43:09 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
Message-ID: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
Poe over at use Perl;

You can find them here:

December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010
December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018

As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
discussing this topic.  Or any topic.

I encourage your response,

  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com

From mark at marklehmann.com  Thu Dec  4 13:45:54 2008
From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:45:54 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8fa2a6330812041345t2265cd63v61e9c53b75fec4a3@mail.gmail.com>

Sounds good to me.  How does Dec. 17th sound?  I don't know if I can get a
room somewhere on short notice, but I can try if we have at least 5 people
show.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> Poe over at use Perl;
>
> You can find them here:
>
> December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
>
> As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
>
> I encourage your response,
>
>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>



-- 
Mark Lehmann
512 689-7705 M
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From howanitz at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 13:49:06 2008
From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:49:06 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <8fa2a6330812041345t2265cd63v61e9c53b75fec4a3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<8fa2a6330812041345t2265cd63v61e9c53b75fec4a3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c7999e830812041349u44697a1at29d42248451e7ffc@mail.gmail.com>

17th sounds good to me.

-- 
-Keith
howanitz at gmail.com

From montgomery.conner at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 13:57:30 2008
From: montgomery.conner at gmail.com (Montgomery Conner)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:57:30 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c2cfe90812041357m471e4114y596904e17db1ab75@mail.gmail.com>

Yes!

--Montgomery Conner, montgomery.conner at gmail.com

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> Poe over at use Perl;
>
> You can find them here:
>
> December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
>
> As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
>
> I encourage your response,
>
>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>
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From montgomery.conner at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 14:04:20 2008
From: montgomery.conner at gmail.com (Montgomery Conner)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:04:20 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <c7999e830812041349u44697a1at29d42248451e7ffc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<8fa2a6330812041345t2265cd63v61e9c53b75fec4a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7999e830812041349u44697a1at29d42248451e7ffc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e8c2cfe90812041404t71dbd943me7d35199deb16691@mail.gmail.com>

Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e. no
further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.

It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...  :-)


Thanks!
Montgomery


On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:

> 17th sounds good to me.
>
> --
> -Keith
> howanitz at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
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From mark at marklehmann.com  Thu Dec  4 14:08:17 2008
From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:08:17 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <e8c2cfe90812041357m471e4114y596904e17db1ab75@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c2cfe90812041357m471e4114y596904e17db1ab75@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8fa2a6330812041408i639f53bay1bbbed3bac15d2a3@mail.gmail.com>

Who volunteers to present a topic.  It can be anything, like leading a
conversation about Perl's relevance.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Montgomery Conner <
montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Yes!
>
> --Montgomery Conner, montgomery.conner at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
>> motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
>> Poe over at use Perl;
>>
>> You can find them here:
>>
>> December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
>> December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
>>
>> As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
>> Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
>> discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
>>
>> I encourage your response,
>>
>>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Austin mailing list
>> Austin at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>



-- 
Mark Lehmann
512 689-7705 M
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From mark at marklehmann.com  Thu Dec  4 14:15:21 2008
From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:15:21 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <e8c2cfe90812041404t71dbd943me7d35199deb16691@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
	<8fa2a6330812041345t2265cd63v61e9c53b75fec4a3@mail.gmail.com>
	<c7999e830812041349u44697a1at29d42248451e7ffc@mail.gmail.com>
	<e8c2cfe90812041404t71dbd943me7d35199deb16691@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8fa2a6330812041415t58316ff2o8ffe50623bc0b02e@mail.gmail.com>

Sure.  I need some recommendations of free meeting places more central.

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Montgomery Conner <
montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e. no
> further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.
>
> It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...  :-)
>
>
> Thanks!
> Montgomery
>
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 17th sounds good to me.
>>
>> --
>> -Keith
>> howanitz at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Austin mailing list
>> Austin at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>



-- 
Mark Lehmann
512 689-7705 M
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From duff at pobox.com  Thu Dec  4 14:26:25 2008
From: duff at pobox.com (Jonathan Scott Duff)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:26:25 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081204222625.GA13767@lighthouse.tamucc.edu>

On Thu, Dec 04, 2008 at 02:43:09PM -0600, Paul Lange wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> Poe over at use Perl;
> 
> You can find them here:
> 
> December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010
> December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018
> 
> As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> discussing this topic.  Or any topic.

You want to talk about "Perl is Dying"?  Or do you want to talk about
ways in which to publicize perl or educate people about perl or what?

If you want to counteract the meme, I suggest taking chromatic up on his
offer to publish "cool thing I did with perl" style articles.  The only
problem is that they appear on perl.com.  That's more speaking to the
echo chamber than otherwise.

Maybe that's what's really needed. A brainstorming session on how to
talk to people outside the perl echo chamber and what to say to them.

-Scott
-- 
Jonathan Scott Duff
duff at pobox.com

From sw1107 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 15:05:37 2008
From: sw1107 at gmail.com (Steven M. Williams)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:05:37 -0600
Subject: APM: Austin Digest, Vol 62, Issue 1
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9971.1228428934.29685.austin@pm.org>
References: <mailman.9971.1228428934.29685.austin@pm.org>
Message-ID: <23b4fcbc0812041505r7746a44am4758a9c98e5f0b83@mail.gmail.com>

I will try to attend also.

Steve



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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 14:43:09 -0600
> From: "Paul Lange" <plange at gmail.com>
> Subject: APM: December Meeting?
> To: austin at pm.org
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Hello,
>
> I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> Poe over at use Perl;
>
> You can find them here:
>
> December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
>
> As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
>
> I encourage your response,
>
>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:45:54 -0600
> From: "Mark Lehmann" <mark at marklehmann.com>
> Subject: Re: APM: December Meeting?
> To: austin at pm.org
> Message-ID:
>        <8fa2a6330812041345t2265cd63v61e9c53b75fec4a3 at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Sounds good to me.  How does Dec. 17th sound?  I don't know if I can get a
> room somewhere on short notice, but I can try if we have at least 5 people
> show.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> > motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> > Poe over at use Perl;
> >
> > You can find them here:
> >
> > December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> <http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> > December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
> <http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
> >
> > As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> > Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> > discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
> >
> > I encourage your response,
> >
> >  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Lehmann
> 512 689-7705 M
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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:49:06 -0600
> From: "Keith Howanitz" <howanitz at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APM: December Meeting?
> To: Austin at pm.org
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> 17th sounds good to me.
>
> --
> -Keith
> howanitz at gmail.com
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 15:57:30 -0600
> From: "Montgomery Conner" <montgomery.conner at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APM: December Meeting?
> To: austin at pm.org
> Message-ID:
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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> Yes!
>
> --Montgomery Conner, montgomery.conner at gmail.com
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> > motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> > Poe over at use Perl;
> >
> > You can find them here:
> >
> > December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> <http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> > December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
> <http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
> >
> > As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> > Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> > discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
> >
> > I encourage your response,
> >
> >  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:04:20 -0600
> From: "Montgomery Conner" <montgomery.conner at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: APM: December Meeting?
> To: Austin at pm.org
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>
> Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e. no
> further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.
>
> It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...  :-)
>
>
> Thanks!
> Montgomery
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > 17th sounds good to me.
> >
> > --
> > -Keith
> > howanitz at gmail.com
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:08:17 -0600
> From: "Mark Lehmann" <mark at marklehmann.com>
> Subject: Re: APM: December Meeting?
> To: "Montgomery Conner" <montgomery.conner at gmail.com>
> Cc: austin at pm.org
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> Who volunteers to present a topic.  It can be anything, like leading a
> conversation about Perl's relevance.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:57 PM, Montgomery Conner <
> montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes!
> >
> > --Montgomery Conner, montgomery.conner at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 2:43 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I am new to this group and mailing list and have been somewhat
> >> motivated by having read the recent journal entries by Curtis "Ovid"
> >> Poe over at use Perl;
> >>
> >> You can find them here:
> >>
> >> December 3: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38010<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> <http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38010>
> >> December 4: http://use.perl.org/~Ovid/journal/38018<http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
> <http://use.perl.org/%7EOvid/journal/38018>
> >>
> >> As it seems a certain amount of apathy has set in with respect to the
> >> Austin.pm community, I would like to propose a December meeting
> >> discussing this topic.  Or any topic.
> >>
> >> I encourage your response,
> >>
> >>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Austin mailing list
> >> Austin at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Lehmann
> 512 689-7705 M
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> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 16:15:21 -0600
> From: "Mark Lehmann" <mark at marklehmann.com>
> Subject: Re: APM: December Meeting?
> To: "Montgomery Conner" <montgomery.conner at gmail.com>
> Cc: Austin at pm.org
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>
> Sure.  I need some recommendations of free meeting places more central.
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Montgomery Conner <
> montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e. no
> > further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.
> >
> > It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...  :-)
> >
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Montgomery
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> 17th sounds good to me.
> >>
> >> --
> >> -Keith
> >> howanitz at gmail.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Austin mailing list
> >> Austin at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >
>
>
>
> --
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From montgomery.conner at gmail.com  Thu Dec  4 15:14:01 2008
From: montgomery.conner at gmail.com (Montgomery Conner)
Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2008 17:14:01 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
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@Mark

Although they can be a bit dour, back when I was a kid they had these
conveniently located public institutions called 'libraries' that often
offered meeting rooms and services. ;-)
http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/map.htm.

There's also a pretty extensive system of community centers in Austin
(google didn't locate one in the north central Austin area, but I'm sure one
exists) that are chartered with "community development" in the broadest
sense.

These institutions may also offer projector services, which seems to have
been problematic in the past.

###################################

In terms of the topic of the meeting, aren't we really concerned first and
foremost with creating *momentum* locally in order to help promote the
larger Perl community globally. Many mongers groups take-on projects as a
group to help build the local community and train the next generation of
Perl gurus and monks. Some groups bring in great speakers (Patrick Michaud,
the current Perl6 compiler pumpking lives in Dallas, and has some fantastic
presentations on the new compiler toolkit and syntax.) And there are
certainly other tactics to, rather than prostheletise Perl's virtues, "show
by example" that Perl is not only still relevant, but vital... and really
really cool. ;-)

Shouldn't the real suggestion here be that we brainstorm to find out what
would engage current local Perl users, including many members of this list,
over the long term? Converts are great and all, but is there even a strong
base of users to do that work here in Austin?

I was speaking with Josh McAddams at OSCON this past spring and he mentioned
that Jeremy Fluhman is interested in organizing and helping to host YAPC::NA
in Austin at some point in the future (he helped set up YAPC::NA in Houston
and the Open Source conference in San Angelo last year, but thinks that
Austin would probably be more fun for out of towners). Clearly a more active
mongers organization is needed before such a step could be taken... but what
better way to publicize Perl's relevance?

I agree that spending energy shouting into the echo chamber is futile. I
hope that isn't what anyone is suggesting. I think ideally we're not really
fighting a meme so much as providing services, examples,  and information
that combat ignorance, right?


--Montgomery

On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Mark Lehmann <mark at marklehmann.com> wrote:

> Sure.  I need some recommendations of free meeting places more central.
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Montgomery Conner <
> montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e. no
>> further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.
>>
>> It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...  :-)
>>
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Montgomery
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> 17th sounds good to me.
>>>
>>> --
>>> -Keith
>>> howanitz at gmail.com
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Austin mailing list
>>> Austin at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Austin mailing list
>> Austin at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Mark Lehmann
> 512 689-7705 M
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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Fri Dec  5 05:47:02 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:47:02 +0000
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <e8c2cfe90812041514v4f08a741vcd32c5c6705ad4a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081205134703.ECAU6.205884.root@hrndva-web02-z02>


Hello,

The libraries are usually well booked up, they are a well known
community resource. Plus they tend to start short staffing
this time of year due to vacation and as a result a lot of the
secondary services get shut down until Jan.

LOPSA has similar issues and right now we are meeting at the
Mangia Pizza at 3016 Guadalupe. An alternative we have
used is the Draught House on Medical Parkway (just over from
HEB at 38th). You'll want to give Mangia a call but the Draught
House we just show up and stake a table.

Seasons best wishes.

---- Montgomery Conner <montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote: 
> @Mark
> 
> Although they can be a bit dour, back when I was a kid they had these
> conveniently located public institutions called 'libraries' that often
> offered meeting rooms and services. ;-)
> http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/map.htm.
> 
> There's also a pretty extensive system of community centers in Austin
> (google didn't locate one in the north central Austin area, but I'm sure one
> exists) that are chartered with "community development" in the broadest
> sense.
> 
> These institutions may also offer projector services, which seems to have
> been problematic in the past.
> 
> ###################################
> 
> In terms of the topic of the meeting, aren't we really concerned first and
> foremost with creating *momentum* locally in order to help promote the
> larger Perl community globally. Many mongers groups take-on projects as a
> group to help build the local community and train the next generation of
> Perl gurus and monks. Some groups bring in great speakers (Patrick Michaud,
> the current Perl6 compiler pumpking lives in Dallas, and has some fantastic
> presentations on the new compiler toolkit and syntax.) And there are
> certainly other tactics to, rather than prostheletise Perl's virtues, "show
> by example" that Perl is not only still relevant, but vital... and really
> really cool. ;-)
> 
> Shouldn't the real suggestion here be that we brainstorm to find out what
> would engage current local Perl users, including many members of this list,
> over the long term? Converts are great and all, but is there even a strong
> base of users to do that work here in Austin?
> 
> I was speaking with Josh McAddams at OSCON this past spring and he mentioned
> that Jeremy Fluhman is interested in organizing and helping to host YAPC::NA
> in Austin at some point in the future (he helped set up YAPC::NA in Houston
> and the Open Source conference in San Angelo last year, but thinks that
> Austin would probably be more fun for out of towners). Clearly a more active
> mongers organization is needed before such a step could be taken... but what
> better way to publicize Perl's relevance?
> 
> I agree that spending energy shouting into the echo chamber is futile. I
> hope that isn't what anyone is suggesting. I think ideally we're not really
> fighting a meme so much as providing services, examples,  and information
> that combat ignorance, right?
> 
> 
> --Montgomery
> 
> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Mark Lehmann <mark at marklehmann.com> wrote:
> 
> > Sure.  I need some recommendations of free meeting places more central.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Montgomery Conner <
> > montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e. no
> >> further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.
> >>
> >> It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...  :-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >> Montgomery
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com>wrote:
> >>
> >>> 17th sounds good to me.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> -Keith
> >>> howanitz at gmail.com
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Austin mailing list
> >>> Austin at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Austin mailing list
> >> Austin at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mark Lehmann
> > 512 689-7705 M
> >

--
 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From montgomery.conner at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 09:19:57 2008
From: montgomery.conner at gmail.com (Montgomery Conner)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 11:19:57 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <20081205134703.ECAU6.205884.root@hrndva-web02-z02>
References: <e8c2cfe90812041514v4f08a741vcd32c5c6705ad4a1@mail.gmail.com>
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Either the Draught House or Mangia Guadalupe fit the
not-to-far-West-or-North criteria. Either would be fine.


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 7:47 AM, <jameschoate at austin.rr.com> wrote:

>
> Hello,
>
> The libraries are usually well booked up, they are a well known
> community resource. Plus they tend to start short staffing
> this time of year due to vacation and as a result a lot of the
> secondary services get shut down until Jan.
>
> LOPSA has similar issues and right now we are meeting at the
> Mangia Pizza at 3016 Guadalupe. An alternative we have
> used is the Draught House on Medical Parkway (just over from
> HEB at 38th). You'll want to give Mangia a call but the Draught
> House we just show up and stake a table.
>
> Seasons best wishes.
>
> ---- Montgomery Conner <montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > @Mark
> >
> > Although they can be a bit dour, back when I was a kid they had these
> > conveniently located public institutions called 'libraries' that often
> > offered meeting rooms and services. ;-)
> > http://www.ci.austin.tx.us/library/map.htm.
> >
> > There's also a pretty extensive system of community centers in Austin
> > (google didn't locate one in the north central Austin area, but I'm sure
> one
> > exists) that are chartered with "community development" in the broadest
> > sense.
> >
> > These institutions may also offer projector services, which seems to have
> > been problematic in the past.
> >
> > ###################################
> >
> > In terms of the topic of the meeting, aren't we really concerned first
> and
> > foremost with creating *momentum* locally in order to help promote the
> > larger Perl community globally. Many mongers groups take-on projects as a
> > group to help build the local community and train the next generation of
> > Perl gurus and monks. Some groups bring in great speakers (Patrick
> Michaud,
> > the current Perl6 compiler pumpking lives in Dallas, and has some
> fantastic
> > presentations on the new compiler toolkit and syntax.) And there are
> > certainly other tactics to, rather than prostheletise Perl's virtues,
> "show
> > by example" that Perl is not only still relevant, but vital... and really
> > really cool. ;-)
> >
> > Shouldn't the real suggestion here be that we brainstorm to find out what
> > would engage current local Perl users, including many members of this
> list,
> > over the long term? Converts are great and all, but is there even a
> strong
> > base of users to do that work here in Austin?
> >
> > I was speaking with Josh McAddams at OSCON this past spring and he
> mentioned
> > that Jeremy Fluhman is interested in organizing and helping to host
> YAPC::NA
> > in Austin at some point in the future (he helped set up YAPC::NA in
> Houston
> > and the Open Source conference in San Angelo last year, but thinks that
> > Austin would probably be more fun for out of towners). Clearly a more
> active
> > mongers organization is needed before such a step could be taken... but
> what
> > better way to publicize Perl's relevance?
> >
> > I agree that spending energy shouting into the echo chamber is futile. I
> > hope that isn't what anyone is suggesting. I think ideally we're not
> really
> > fighting a meme so much as providing services, examples,  and information
> > that combat ignorance, right?
> >
> >
> > --Montgomery
> >
> > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:15 PM, Mark Lehmann <mark at marklehmann.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Sure.  I need some recommendations of free meeting places more central.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Montgomery Conner <
> > > montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is there any chance the meeting can be held somewhat centrally? i.e.
> no
> > >> further north than 2222 and no further west than Mopac.
> > >>
> > >> It would really, help at least in the case of my own attendance...
>  :-)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Thanks!
> > >> Montgomery
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 3:49 PM, Keith Howanitz <howanitz at gmail.com
> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> 17th sounds good to me.
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> -Keith
> > >>> howanitz at gmail.com
> > >>> _______________________________________________
> > >>> Austin mailing list
> > >>> Austin at pm.org
> > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Austin mailing list
> > >> Austin at pm.org
> > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mark Lehmann
> > > 512 689-7705 M
> > >
>
> --
>  -- -- -- --
> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
>
> James Choate
> jameschoate at austin.rr.com
> james.choate at twcable.com
> 512-657-1279
> www.ssz.com
>
> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
>  -- -- -- --
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
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From plange at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 11:27:30 2008
From: plange at gmail.com (Paul Lange)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 13:27:30 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
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Unless somebody has a strong objection, I'm inclined to book the back
room at Genuine Joe coffee house for two hours at 7pm on 12/17.  I
recently checked, and it is available.

That coffee house is on Anderson Lane a few blocks east of Burnet
Road.  It's north of 2222/Koenig, but I don't mind giving somebody a
ride if necessary.

The coffee house requires a $25 gift certificate to be purchased for
every hour booked.  So, I have in mind to purchase $50 of gift
certificates in order to secure at least two hours of room.  The
meeting attendees, should they desire to purchase food and drink, can
give their money to me to help reimburse the purchase.  Since the
coffee house is in my neighborhood and is used by me occasionally, I
have no problem pocketing the leftover gift certificate amounts if we
don't have $50 worth of purchases to reimburse.

The website which details their location and menu can be found here:
http://www.genuinejoe.com/

How does that sound?

  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com

From montgomery.conner at gmail.com  Fri Dec  5 13:00:21 2008
From: montgomery.conner at gmail.com (Montgomery Conner)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:00:21 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <39a2d2f80812051127r2507de06k3a743a6ec50172ba@mail.gmail.com>
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I live south-central so I'd prefer something closer in to town. Genuine
Joe's looks like about a forty-five minute haul through traffic at that time
of day for me... but if it's the consensus I can live with it; I won't stand
in the way of progress :-).


,Montgomery


On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:

> Unless somebody has a strong objection, I'm inclined to book the back
> room at Genuine Joe coffee house for two hours at 7pm on 12/17.  I
> recently checked, and it is available.
>
> That coffee house is on Anderson Lane a few blocks east of Burnet
> Road.  It's north of 2222/Koenig, but I don't mind giving somebody a
> ride if necessary.
>
> The coffee house requires a $25 gift certificate to be purchased for
> every hour booked.  So, I have in mind to purchase $50 of gift
> certificates in order to secure at least two hours of room.  The
> meeting attendees, should they desire to purchase food and drink, can
> give their money to me to help reimburse the purchase.  Since the
> coffee house is in my neighborhood and is used by me occasionally, I
> have no problem pocketing the leftover gift certificate amounts if we
> don't have $50 worth of purchases to reimburse.
>
> The website which details their location and menu can be found here:
> http://www.genuinejoe.com/
>
> How does that sound?
>
>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
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From mark at marklehmann.com  Fri Dec  5 13:49:21 2008
From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 15:49:21 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <e8c2cfe90812051300q11f5aa95ja0122c5e74987147@mail.gmail.com>
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If they have internet access or have a computer projector or screen then
make it so.

On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Montgomery Conner <
montgomery.conner at gmail.com> wrote:

> I live south-central so I'd prefer something closer in to town. Genuine
> Joe's looks like about a forty-five minute haul through traffic at that time
> of day for me... but if it's the consensus I can live with it; I won't stand
> in the way of progress :-).
>
>
> ,Montgomery
>
>
>
> On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 1:27 PM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Unless somebody has a strong objection, I'm inclined to book the back
>> room at Genuine Joe coffee house for two hours at 7pm on 12/17.  I
>> recently checked, and it is available.
>>
>> That coffee house is on Anderson Lane a few blocks east of Burnet
>> Road.  It's north of 2222/Koenig, but I don't mind giving somebody a
>> ride if necessary.
>>
>> The coffee house requires a $25 gift certificate to be purchased for
>> every hour booked.  So, I have in mind to purchase $50 of gift
>> certificates in order to secure at least two hours of room.  The
>> meeting attendees, should they desire to purchase food and drink, can
>> give their money to me to help reimburse the purchase.  Since the
>> coffee house is in my neighborhood and is used by me occasionally, I
>> have no problem pocketing the leftover gift certificate amounts if we
>> don't have $50 worth of purchases to reimburse.
>>
>> The website which details their location and menu can be found here:
>> http://www.genuinejoe.com/
>>
>> How does that sound?
>>
>>  -- Paul Lange, plange at gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> Austin mailing list
>> Austin at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>



-- 
Mark Lehmann
512 689-7705 M
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From plange at gmail.com  Sat Dec  6 09:40:55 2008
From: plange at gmail.com (Paul Lange)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 11:40:55 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
In-Reply-To: <8fa2a6330812051349k7c6a6c52p63ca4d030b4674b0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <39a2d2f80812041243g7e23dff0re0431acdecef5de1@mail.gmail.com>
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The coffee house has free wireless internet access and the back room
has a screen for using a projector.

I booked the room last night and so it has been formalized:

What: December Austin Perl Mongers Meeting
When: December 17, 2008, 7pm
Where: Genuine Joe Coffeehouse, 2001 W. Anderson Lane, back room
Why (Topic): Stagnation of Interest in Perl and How to Reverse It

I purchased $50 in gift cards as required, so any attendee who wants
to buy food or drink that night should give their money to me to
reimburse the purchases until the gift card amounts are exhausted.
There is no obligation to buy food or drink, but I do encourage it.

I can do an introduction on the topic to get things started.

It's not my intention to hijack the group or its meetings, however I
thought it best to come on strong in order to get the blood flowing
this month.  If somebody has a better idea or has a presentation for
another topic already prepared, feel free to interject.

Montgomery, since I'm putting you out a little by forcing it farther
north, I'll buy your first coffee/hot chocolate.

From mark at marklehmann.com  Sat Dec  6 13:24:18 2008
From: mark at marklehmann.com (Mark Lehmann)
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2008 15:24:18 -0600
Subject: APM: December Meeting?
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Excellent initiative, worthy of a presidential position in the group.
 Everyone, remember that when Paul leaves the meeting room long enough for a
vote.  ;-)

On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 11:40 AM, Paul Lange <plange at gmail.com> wrote:

> The coffee house has free wireless internet access and the back room
> has a screen for using a projector.
>
> I booked the room last night and so it has been formalized:
>
> What: December Austin Perl Mongers Meeting
> When: December 17, 2008, 7pm
> Where: Genuine Joe Coffeehouse, 2001 W. Anderson Lane, back room
> Why (Topic): Stagnation of Interest in Perl and How to Reverse It
>
> I purchased $50 in gift cards as required, so any attendee who wants
> to buy food or drink that night should give their money to me to
> reimburse the purchases until the gift card amounts are exhausted.
> There is no obligation to buy food or drink, but I do encourage it.
>
> I can do an introduction on the topic to get things started.
>
> It's not my intention to hijack the group or its meetings, however I
> thought it best to come on strong in order to get the blood flowing
> this month.  If somebody has a better idea or has a presentation for
> another topic already prepared, feel free to interject.
>
> Montgomery, since I'm putting you out a little by forcing it farther
> north, I'll buy your first coffee/hot chocolate.
> _______________________________________________
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> Austin at pm.org
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>



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From howanitz at gmail.com  Thu Dec 18 05:48:32 2008
From: howanitz at gmail.com (Keith Howanitz)
Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 07:48:32 -0600
Subject: APM: javascript and GWT
Message-ID: <c7999e830812180548i44e94e70ncb5f048c03b13297@mail.gmail.com>

Just to add a few things to last night's meeting....

I think the issue with javascript's popularity is not so much that
developers like javascript (or in my opinion, LISP type languages in
general) but it is pretty much the only vm choice if you want to
develop something to run in a VM in (the great majority of) browsers.
It is pretty unique in near monopoly status in that regard - and
personally I would use just about any other language and VM given the
choice, and not just because of that vm's poor track record with
security.

The toolkit I was trying to remember last night is the Google Web
Toolkit (GWT) - it allows you to write programs in Java, and then
compiles or translates the Java code into HTML files and javascript
for the javascript vm. I think that is how many developers are
creating javascript now, with very little actual coding in javascript:

http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/
http://ajaxian.com/archives/google-web-toolkit-ajax-apps-from-java
http://code.google.com/webtoolkit/app_gallery.html

Personally, I really hope the javascript vm monopoly does not last
much longer. Maybe things like this will get people thinking about the
issue:

http://code.google.com/p/nativeclient/?tbbrand=GZEZ&utm_campaign=en&utm_source=en-et-osrcblog&utm_medium=et

-- 
-Keith
howanitz at gmail.com

From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 13:26:58 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:26:58 +0000
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <c7999e830812180548i44e94e70ncb5f048c03b13297@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081222212658.6YWQC.349072.root@hrndva-web24-z01>


Hi,

Following up on the theme of the last meeting in regards
what might be done to help promote Perl...

We discussed getting involved with events like dorkbot,
makefair, geek austin & MoPac University [1]. This of
course is only the first step. Once we've got our foot in
the door, what then?

We need to get to know each other a bit better and see if
there isn't some synergy that we can use to build some
project or effort that's bigger than what we can do as
individuals.

- We could do some algorithmic predictions in political or
   economic areas

- Applied mathematics, I have an interest in Origami:

 http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/search?q=origami+algorithm+computational&submit=Search&sort=rel

 - Experimental Archeology

   simulate the Antykathyra (sp!) device

   design a generic catapult or trebuchet,

  http://www.medieval-castle-siege-weapons.com/

   http://www.global-rd.com/catapults/

   http://www.algobeautytreb.com/

  http://www.algobeautytreb.com/trebmath35.pdf

- Bioinformatics or more general biological or evolutionary
  algorithmics/modeling?

- Toolkits of basic electronics, mechanical engineering, or
   physics routines suitable for jr high to high school?

What might float your boat?

[1] www.geekaustin.com

Note they are having a get together social next month on
the 20th. Sounds quite interesting and there will be more
info on the MoPac University efforts as well.

 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From linearb at gmail.com  Mon Dec 22 13:39:03 2008
From: linearb at gmail.com (Lynn Bender)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:39:03 -0600
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <20081222212658.6YWQC.349072.root@hrndva-web24-z01>
References: <c7999e830812180548i44e94e70ncb5f048c03b13297@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081222212658.6YWQC.349072.root@hrndva-web24-z01>
Message-ID: <caca138e0812221339w52a86576r36b45a89a71bb9a9@mail.gmail.com>

James,

It's 'geekaustin.org'

I'm open to doing something together. Let's get together after the first of
the year
and see what we can come up with.

-- 
-Lynn Bender
http://geekaustin.org
http://twitter.com/linearb
GeekAustin linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/49889/32C233655C81
GeekAustin facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8940287491
GeekAustin feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/geekaustinorg



On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM, <jameschoate at austin.rr.com> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> Following up on the theme of the last meeting in regards
> what might be done to help promote Perl...
>
> We discussed getting involved with events like dorkbot,
> makefair, geek austin & MoPac University [1]. This of
> course is only the first step. Once we've got our foot in
> the door, what then?
>
> We need to get to know each other a bit better and see if
> there isn't some synergy that we can use to build some
> project or effort that's bigger than what we can do as
> individuals.
>
> - We could do some algorithmic predictions in political or
>   economic areas
>
> - Applied mathematics, I have an interest in Origami:
>
>
> http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/search?q=origami+algorithm+computational&submit=Search&sort=rel
>
>  - Experimental Archeology
>
>   simulate the Antykathyra (sp!) device
>
>   design a generic catapult or trebuchet,
>
>  http://www.medieval-castle-siege-weapons.com/
>
>   http://www.global-rd.com/catapults/
>
>   http://www.algobeautytreb.com/
>
>  http://www.algobeautytreb.com/trebmath35.pdf
>
> - Bioinformatics or more general biological or evolutionary
>  algorithmics/modeling?
>
> - Toolkits of basic electronics, mechanical engineering, or
>   physics routines suitable for jr high to high school?
>
> What might float your boat?
>
> [1] www.geekaustin.com
>
> Note they are having a get together social next month on
> the 20th. Sounds quite interesting and there will be more
> info on the MoPac University efforts as well.
>
>  -- -- -- --
> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
>
> James Choate
> jameschoate at austin.rr.com
> james.choate at twcable.com
> 512-657-1279
> www.ssz.com
>
> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
>  -- -- -- --
>
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
>
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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 13:54:40 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:54:40 +0000
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <20081222212658.6YWQC.349072.root@hrndva-web24-z01>
Message-ID: <20081222215440.4HX9I.356428.root@hrndva-web02-z02>


Hi,

Interesting paper I ran across on reddit...

http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3137

Anybody here use arxiv or citeseer?

Ta ta

---- jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Following up on the theme of the last meeting in regards
> what might be done to help promote Perl...
> 
> We discussed getting involved with events like dorkbot,
> makefair, geek austin & MoPac University [1]. This of
> course is only the first step. Once we've got our foot in
> the door, what then?
> 
> We need to get to know each other a bit better and see if
> there isn't some synergy that we can use to build some
> project or effort that's bigger than what we can do as
> individuals.
> 
> - We could do some algorithmic predictions in political or
>    economic areas
> 
> - Applied mathematics, I have an interest in Origami:
> 
>  http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/search?q=origami+algorithm+computational&submit=Search&sort=rel
> 
>  - Experimental Archeology
> 
>    simulate the Antykathyra (sp!) device
> 
>    design a generic catapult or trebuchet,
> 
>   http://www.medieval-castle-siege-weapons.com/
> 
>    http://www.global-rd.com/catapults/
> 
>    http://www.algobeautytreb.com/
> 
>   http://www.algobeautytreb.com/trebmath35.pdf
> 
> - Bioinformatics or more general biological or evolutionary
>   algorithmics/modeling?
> 
> - Toolkits of basic electronics, mechanical engineering, or
>    physics routines suitable for jr high to high school?
> 
> What might float your boat?
> 
> [1] www.geekaustin.com
> 
> Note they are having a get together social next month on
> the 20th. Sounds quite interesting and there will be more
> info on the MoPac University efforts as well.
> 
>  -- -- -- --
> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
> 
> James Choate
> jameschoate at austin.rr.com
> james.choate at twcable.com
> 512-657-1279
> www.ssz.com
> 
> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
>  -- -- -- --
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin

--
 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 13:56:00 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 21:56:00 +0000
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <caca138e0812221339w52a86576r36b45a89a71bb9a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20081222215601.O9AXH.356440.root@hrndva-web02-z02>


Hi,

<blush>
Thanks, when you get to be my age the memory
starts to go....
</blush>

ps that's my story and I'm sticking to it!

---- Lynn Bender <linearb at gmail.com> wrote: 
> James,
> 
> It's 'geekaustin.org'
> 
> I'm open to doing something together. Let's get together after the first of
> the year
> and see what we can come up with.
> 
> -- 
> -Lynn Bender
> http://geekaustin.org
> http://twitter.com/linearb
> GeekAustin linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/e/gis/49889/32C233655C81
> GeekAustin facebook: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=8940287491
> GeekAustin feed: http://feeds.feedburner.com/geekaustinorg
> 
> 
> 
> On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:26 PM, <jameschoate at austin.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Following up on the theme of the last meeting in regards
> > what might be done to help promote Perl...
> >
> > We discussed getting involved with events like dorkbot,
> > makefair, geek austin & MoPac University [1]. This of
> > course is only the first step. Once we've got our foot in
> > the door, what then?
> >
> > We need to get to know each other a bit better and see if
> > there isn't some synergy that we can use to build some
> > project or effort that's bigger than what we can do as
> > individuals.
> >
> > - We could do some algorithmic predictions in political or
> >   economic areas
> >
> > - Applied mathematics, I have an interest in Origami:
> >
> >
> > http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/search?q=origami+algorithm+computational&submit=Search&sort=rel
> >
> >  - Experimental Archeology
> >
> >   simulate the Antykathyra (sp!) device
> >
> >   design a generic catapult or trebuchet,
> >
> >  http://www.medieval-castle-siege-weapons.com/
> >
> >   http://www.global-rd.com/catapults/
> >
> >   http://www.algobeautytreb.com/
> >
> >  http://www.algobeautytreb.com/trebmath35.pdf
> >
> > - Bioinformatics or more general biological or evolutionary
> >  algorithmics/modeling?
> >
> > - Toolkits of basic electronics, mechanical engineering, or
> >   physics routines suitable for jr high to high school?
> >
> > What might float your boat?
> >
> > [1] www.geekaustin.com
> >
> > Note they are having a get together social next month on
> > the 20th. Sounds quite interesting and there will be more
> > info on the MoPac University efforts as well.
> >
> >  -- -- -- --
> > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
> >
> > James Choate
> > jameschoate at austin.rr.com
> > james.choate at twcable.com
> > 512-657-1279
> > www.ssz.com
> >
> > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
> >  -- -- -- --
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> >

--
 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 20:55:01 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 4:55:01 +0000
Subject: APM: Threads - an interesting paper
In-Reply-To: <20081222215601.O9AXH.356440.root@hrndva-web02-z02>
Message-ID: <20081223045501.GY0QO.354578.root@hrndva-web17-z01>


Howdy,

To follow up on the brief discussion we had on threading and
libraries, here's a link to an interesting paper (pdf) about
making thread allocation more symmetric...

http://hardware.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/12/22/2325221

 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Mon Dec 22 21:09:17 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Mon, 22 Dec 2008 23:09:17 -0600
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <20081222215440.4HX9I.356428.root@hrndva-web02-z02>
Message-ID: <20081223050917.PQR8A.354634.root@hrndva-web17-z01>


Another link along this same line of thought...

http://www.good.is/?p=14293

Then again, having spent seven hears in a hands
on science museum may mean I'm biased :)

---- jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Interesting paper I ran across on reddit...
> 
> http://lambda-the-ultimate.org/node/3137
> 
> Anybody here use arxiv or citeseer?
> 
> Ta ta
> 
> ---- jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: 
> > 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > Following up on the theme of the last meeting in regards
> > what might be done to help promote Perl...
> > 
> > We discussed getting involved with events like dorkbot,
> > makefair, geek austin & MoPac University [1]. This of
> > course is only the first step. Once we've got our foot in
> > the door, what then?
> > 
> > We need to get to know each other a bit better and see if
> > there isn't some synergy that we can use to build some
> > project or effort that's bigger than what we can do as
> > individuals.
> > 
> > - We could do some algorithmic predictions in political or
> >    economic areas
> > 
> > - Applied mathematics, I have an interest in Origami:
> > 
> >  http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/search?q=origami+algorithm+computational&submit=Search&sort=rel
> > 
> >  - Experimental Archeology
> > 
> >    simulate the Antykathyra (sp!) device
> > 
> >    design a generic catapult or trebuchet,
> > 
> >   http://www.medieval-castle-siege-weapons.com/
> > 
> >    http://www.global-rd.com/catapults/
> > 
> >    http://www.algobeautytreb.com/
> > 
> >   http://www.algobeautytreb.com/trebmath35.pdf
> > 
> > - Bioinformatics or more general biological or evolutionary
> >   algorithmics/modeling?
> > 
> > - Toolkits of basic electronics, mechanical engineering, or
> >    physics routines suitable for jr high to high school?
> > 
> > What might float your boat?
> > 
> > [1] www.geekaustin.com
> > 
> > Note they are having a get together social next month on
> > the 20th. Sounds quite interesting and there will be more
> > info on the MoPac University efforts as well.
> > 
> >  -- -- -- --
> > Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
> > 
> > James Choate
> > jameschoate at austin.rr.com
> > james.choate at twcable.com
> > 512-657-1279
> > www.ssz.com
> > 
> > Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
> >  -- -- -- --
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > Austin mailing list
> > Austin at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin
> 
> --
>  -- -- -- --
> Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus
> 
> James Choate
> jameschoate at austin.rr.com
> james.choate at twcable.com
> 512-657-1279
> www.ssz.com
> 
> Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
>  -- -- -- --
> 

--
 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 05:59:52 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 13:59:52 +0000
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <20081223050917.PQR8A.354634.root@hrndva-web17-z01>
Message-ID: <20081223135952.U2YS8.354818.root@hrndva-web26-z01>


Hi,

Another interesting thing we could try is have a contest
of some sort...

http://www.mojang.com/notch/j4k/l4kd/

 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From lists at chrisbaker.net  Tue Dec 23 09:18:12 2008
From: lists at chrisbaker.net (lists at chrisbaker.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:18:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <caca138e0812221339w52a86576r36b45a89a71bb9a9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c7999e830812180548i44e94e70ncb5f048c03b13297@mail.gmail.com>
	<20081222212658.6YWQC.349072.root@hrndva-web24-z01>
	<caca138e0812221339w52a86576r36b45a89a71bb9a9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3993.129.71.94.17.1230052692.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>

> James,
>
> It's 'geekaustin.org'
>
> I'm open to doing something together. Let's get together after the first
> of
> the year
> and see what we can come up with.

There are a whole lot of groups in town. Some I definitely getting
involved with. I can think of a few groups that I would definitely
approach with caution.

I'm surprised James Choate did not mention any of the local Linux user
groups, as most PERL users are also Linux users.

From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 09:32:37 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 17:32:37 +0000
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <3993.129.71.94.17.1230052692.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20081223173237.RLG36.365248.root@hrndva-web19-z02>


if you knew me better you wouldn't be :)

As to approaching groups with caution, really no need at all.
What I'm proposing is not really getting 'groups' to do things
but finding individuals in those groups who share an
interest. I really am not expecting to get APM to do anything
beyond what it has already accomplished, what I'm looking
for is one or two kindred spirits.

User groups in general are a terrible place to get projects
off the ground if you want the group in toto to do it, too
much politics, apathy/self-interest, and push_me-pull_you.
They are however a good place to find individuals with skills
and interests in certain areas. Sometimes you get lucky.

A good example of the difference between most user
groups and one with spark, the Austin Robot Group. They
hit 20 years this year, and look at the plethora of things
they do, week after week, year after year.

Happy Holidays!

---- lists at chrisbaker.net wrote: 
> 
> There are a whole lot of groups in town. Some I definitely getting
> involved with. I can think of a few groups that I would definitely
> approach with caution.
> 
> I'm surprised James Choate did not mention any of the local Linux user
> groups, as most PERL users are also Linux users.
> _______________________________________________
> Austin mailing list
> Austin at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/austin

--
 -- -- -- --
Venimus, Vidimus, Dolavimus

James Choate
jameschoate at austin.rr.com
james.choate at twcable.com
512-657-1279
www.ssz.com

Adapt, Adopt, Improvise
 -- -- -- --


From lists at chrisbaker.net  Tue Dec 23 09:46:38 2008
From: lists at chrisbaker.net (lists at chrisbaker.net)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 12:46:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <20081223173237.RLG36.365248.root@hrndva-web19-z02>
References: <3993.129.71.94.17.1230052692.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>
	<20081223173237.RLG36.365248.root@hrndva-web19-z02>
Message-ID: <5175.129.71.94.17.1230054398.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>

> if you knew me better you wouldn't be :)

I don't know you that well.

> As to approaching groups with caution, really no need at all.
> What I'm proposing is not really getting 'groups' to do things
> but finding individuals in those groups who share an
> interest.

I'm sorry if I didn't get that. Groups are made up of individuals. There
are definitely some individuals who should be approached with caution as
well.

> User groups in general are a terrible place to get projects
> off the ground if you want the group in toto to do it, too
> much politics, apathy/self-interest, and push_me-pull_you.

Three years ago, some people in ALG managed to get some volunteering for
the Katrina relief efforts downtown going. I have seen it happen with lots
of groups in town, though.

> A good example of the difference between most user
> groups and one with spark, the Austin Robot Group.

I have definitely heard of them, but don't have much interest in robots.


From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 11:18:42 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2008 19:18:42 +0000
Subject: APM: APM - Future activity
In-Reply-To: <5175.129.71.94.17.1230054398.squirrel@webmail4.pair.com>
Message-ID: <20081223191842.4ECE6.367619.root@hrndva-web04-z02>


Dobrey Utro,

---- lists at chrisbaker.net wrote: 
 
> > User groups in general are a terrible place to get projects
> > off the ground if you want the group in toto to do it, too
> > much politics, apathy/self-interest, and push_me-pull_you.
> 
> Three years ago, some people in ALG managed to get some volunteering for
> the Katrina relief efforts downtown going. I have seen it happen with lots
> of groups in town, though.

Which actually speaks to my point (that and the history of ALG), it had little
to do with Linux. When I started CT-LUG it took less than two years before
one of the members hijacked the domain name, started a parallel list and
began to 'take over' the group. Those actions are what led to ALG forming.
Dissatisfaction with ALG is what led to the Goodwill Linux Group forming
and who still meet at Tek Republik (if you stop by tell Chris Tom "hi").
Austin is a great town for user groups and lots of smart people with self-
confidence/ego. That makes it hard for groups to really get past the
once or twice a month meeting, the individuals are usually chasing their
own dreams, which are usually not group oriented. They participate as a
means to an end, not the end in and of itself.

> > A good example of the difference between most user
> > groups and one with spark, the Austin Robot Group.
> 
> I have definitely heard of them, but don't have much interest in robots.

Which again speaks to my point.

In an odd way this parallels the 'Perl is dying' meme. Consider that the
most common use for Perl is for web sites and business process
software. Out of any technical population there are many who are into
many other things.. However, since Perl in general doesn't talk a lot
about that, they see little support for themselves. What I'm looking for
are people who use Perl for something besides just a business
application.

Myself, I'm a science geek. A computer and programming for me are
tools, past a certain point I couldn't care less. Sometimes I can't help
but chuckle at some computer people, it's like watching an
automechanic fondle their 1/4" wrench. Sometimes it seems like an
obsession with the process and not the goal. Then again, the feeling
of building some mechanism and watching it work as intended the
first time is truly addictive (whether it is hardware or software).

Even odder is that my first big project was a hands-on science
museum here in Austin, Discovery Hall (1984 - 1991). It was an
experience where we had several user groups and SIGs meeting,
and a continous flow of projects (I think I worked on something 
like 70 exhibits over those years). If you watch Mythbusters or
Prototype This!, that's what it was like every week. Long term,
that is what I'm trying to rebuild. I got to meet several Nobel
Prize winners, We were on David Letterman, had all kinds of
stuff going on. And it died due to personal vision conflicts. I'd
say that every project passes or fails on 'vision'. With vision
just about anything can be overcome and without it almost
nothing can reach its promise. That boils down to finding the
right people out of the groups. Wheat & chaffe.

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 17:10:27 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 1:10:27 +0000
Subject: APM: Fwd: Re: [Robotgroup] Wheel Roundup Fundraiser
Message-ID: <20081224011027.MIM58.361314.root@hrndva-web17-z01>


Hi,

Here's an example of one of the things that TRG does
on a regular basis.

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From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 2:38:05 +0000
Subject: APM: Challenge - String to substrings
Message-ID: <20081224023805.OGEH7.361876.root@hrndva-web17-z01>


http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7lf1u/coding_challenge_divide_a_list_into_n_sublists/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 23 18:46:44 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 2:46:44 +0000
Subject: APM: Challenge - The Drake Sagan CETI Message
Message-ID: <20081224024644.FF3IC.361916.root@hrndva-web17-z01>


In 1974 Frank Drake used Aricebo to transmit the first CETI
signal. It was a binary signal with no compression or other
'management'.

Assume you are an astronomer in M13 who has received
the signal. Now what [1]?

The -demodulated- signal:

0000001010101000000000000101000001010000000100100010001000100101100101010
1010101010100100100000000000000000000000000000000000001100000000000000000
0011010000000000000000000110100000000000000000010101000000000000000000111
1100000000000000000000000000000000110000111000110000110001000000000000011
0010000110100011000110000110101111101111101111101111100000000000000000000
0000001000000000000000001000000000000000000000000000010000000000000000011
1111000000000000011111000000000000000000000001100001100001110001100010000
0001000000000100001101000011000111001101011111011111011111011111000000000
0000000000000000010000001100000000010000000000011000000000000000100000110
0000000001111110000011000000111110000000000110000000000000100000000100000
0001000001000000110000000100000001100001100000010000000000110001000011000
0000000000001100110000000000000110001000011000000000110000110000001000000
0100000010000000010000010000000110000000010001000000001100000000100010000
0000010000000100000100000001000000010000000100000000000011000000000110000
0000110000000001000111010110000000000010000000100000000000000100000111110
0000000000010000101110100101101100000010011100100111111101110000111000001
1011100000000010100000111011001000000101000001111110010000001010000011000
0001000001101100000000000000000000000000000000000111000001000000000000001
1101010001010101010100111000000000101010100000000000000001010000000000000
0111110000000000000000111111111000000000000111000000011100000000011000000
0000011000000011010000000001011000001100110000000110011000010001010000010
1000100001000100100010010001000000001000101000100000000000010000100001000
0000000001000000000100000000000000100101000000000001111001111101001111000

or,

00000010101010000000000
00101000001010000000100
10001000100010010110010
10101010101010100100100
00000000000000000000000
00000000000011000000000
00000000001101000000000
00000000001101000000000
00000000010101000000000
00000000011111000000000
00000000000000000000000
11000011100011000011000
10000000000000110010000
11010001100011000011010
11111011111011111011111
00000000000000000000000
00010000000000000000010
00000000000000000000000
00001000000000000000001
11111000000000000011111
00000000000000000000000
11000011000011100011000
10000000100000000010000
11010000110001110011010
11111011111011111011111
00000000000000000000000
00010000001100000000010
00000000001100000000000
00001000001100000000001
11111000001100000011111
00000000001100000000000
00100000000100000000100
00010000001100000001000
00001100001100000010000
00000011000100001100000
00000000001100110000000
00000011000100001100000
00001100001100000010000
00010000001000000001000
00100000001100000000100
01000000001100000000100
01000000000100000001000
00100000001000000010000
00010000000000001100000
00001100000000110000000
00100011101011000000000
00100000001000000000000
00100000111110000000000
00100001011101001011011
00000010011100100111111
10111000011100000110111
00000000010100000111011
00100000010100000111111
00100000010100000110000
00100000110110000000000
00000000000000000000000
00111000001000000000000
00111010100010101010101
00111000000000101010100
00000000000000101000000
00000000111110000000000
00000011111111100000000
00001110000000111000000
00011000000000001100000
00110100000000010110000
01100110000000110011000
01000101000001010001000
01000100100010010001000
00000100010100010000000
00000100001000010000000
00000100000000010000000
00000001001010000000000
01111001111101001111000


[1] It should be noted that this is a very difficult problem
and even very skilled attempts have failed, so don't
feel bad. For more info, after you try at least once, can
be found at,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arecibo_message

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From taylor at codecafe.com  Tue Dec 23 23:27:15 2008
From: taylor at codecafe.com (Taylor Carpenter)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 01:27:15 -0600
Subject: APM: Challenge - String to substrings
In-Reply-To: <20081224023805.OGEH7.361876.root@hrndva-web17-z01>
References: <20081224023805.OGEH7.361876.root@hrndva-web17-z01>
Message-ID: <92D5ED9E-34D9-48AA-BB41-2FD7B3FD60E3@codecafe.com>

That was fun.  I enjoyed the Haskell versions the most.  Though the  
Python list comprehensions were very cool.

On Dec 23, 2008, at 8:38 PM, <jameschoate at austin.rr.com> <jameschoate at austin.rr.com 
 > wrote:

>
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7lf1u/coding_challenge_divide_a_list_into_n_sublists/
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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 06:46:11 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:46:11 +0000
Subject: APM: Challenge: Shortest Universal Turing Machine Implementation
	Contest
Message-ID: <20081224144611.4KPDA.363803.root@hrndva-web01-z01>


http://www.mathrix.org/experimentalAIT/TuringMachine.html

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 10:50:56 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 18:50:56 +0000
Subject: APM: Threads
Message-ID: <20081224185056.5W6R0.367126.root@hrndva-web03-z02>


We spoke a little about threads at the last meeting, and I
ran across this discussion today...

http://bartoszmilewski.wordpress.com/2008/12/23/the-inscrutable-c-memory-model/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 12:37:18 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 20:37:18 +0000
Subject: APM: Continuity - A Perl library for contonuously flowing web apps
Message-ID: <20081224203718.AGRIE.369440.root@hrndva-web01-z02>


http://continuity.tlt42.org/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 12:55:38 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 14:55:38 -0600
Subject: APM: Five features Perl 5 needs now
Message-ID: <20081224205538.CBHAZ.372901.root@hrndva-web12-z01>


Sorry if this was discussed before, it's a couple of weeks
old now...

http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2008/12/five-features-perl-5-needs-now.html

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 13:01:40 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:01:40 +0000
Subject: APM: pdf: Higher Order Perl
Message-ID: <20081224210140.MJ235.368032.root@hrndva-web07-z02>


http://hop.perl.plover.com/book/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 13:04:51 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:04:51 +0000
Subject: APM: How I learned to love Perl
Message-ID: <20081224210451.V729A.368049.root@hrndva-web07-z02>


http://www.dmclaughlin.com/2008/12/07/how-i-learnt-to-love-perl/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 13:11:40 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:11:40 +0000
Subject: APM: Challenge - String to substrings
In-Reply-To: <20081224023805.OGEH7.361876.root@hrndva-web17-z01>
Message-ID: <20081224211140.WYNJB.368086.root@hrndva-web07-z02>


While it's in shell and speaks to set operations...

http://www.catonmat.net/blog/set-operations-in-unix-shell-simplified/

---- jameschoate at austin.rr.com wrote: 
> 
> http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7lf1u/coding_challenge_divide_a_list_into_n_sublists/
> 
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> 
> James Choate
> jameschoate at austin.rr.com
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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 13:30:08 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:30:08 +0000
Subject: APM: Tree Automation Techniques
Message-ID: <20081224213008.J0JK3.368168.root@hrndva-web07-z02>


http://tata.gforge.inria.fr/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 13:34:28 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 15:34:28 -0600
Subject: APM: Exact String Matching Algorithms
Message-ID: <20081224213428.AOQOC.368195.root@hrndva-web07-z02>


Not in Perl, sorry...

http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/?

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Wed Dec 24 13:40:11 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:40:11 +0000
Subject: APM: Scratching an itch...short (~1hr) programming problems
Message-ID: <20081224214011.CLQG6.218715.root@hrndva-web18-z02>


http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7eolt/any_good_programming_problems_expected_to_take_1/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Fri Dec 26 07:22:55 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 15:22:55 +0000
Subject: APM: Scientific Programming in Perl
Message-ID: <20081226152255.CR4O9.370020.root@hrndva-web26-z02>


Hi,

Was looking for some scientific programming info and ran
across this page...

http://www.johnlapeyre.com/pdl/pdldoc/newbook/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Fri Dec 26 12:20:52 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 26 Dec 2008 14:20:52 -0600
Subject: APM: Regex Wizard
Message-ID: <20081226202053.9CIAE.372597.root@hrndva-web28-z01>


Interesting question...

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7ltct/ask_proggit_do_you_think_it_would_be_possible/

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From jameschoate at austin.rr.com  Tue Dec 30 13:57:03 2008
From: jameschoate at austin.rr.com (jameschoate at austin.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 30 Dec 2008 21:57:03 +0000
Subject: APM: Commentary on learning Perl
Message-ID: <20081230215703.0NEQF.402571.root@hrndva-web08-z02>


Some commentary on reddit::programming on learning
Perl...

http://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/7lkno/askprogit_i_am_a_complete_noob_when_it_comes_to/


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