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All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at alaskapm.org Mon Dec 20 17:30:24 1999 From: corliss at alaskapm.org (corliss@alaskapm.org) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) Message-ID: Greetings: Attached is a site that some of you may be interested, though the pickings are non-existent for Alaska. If you're looking to relocate, however, you may get some use from the site. If you're an employer looking for Perl people, you might get the bodies you need via here. In other news, our Perl contest died a horrible, flaming death, as not one single submission came my way. A book review by Kelsey Gray will be posted very shortly for those of you interested in MacMillan's latest group effort. If I can get volunteers for other titles, I can probably get them for review. We also have a review of "Learning Perl" due soon, too, so stay tuned. I also want to encourage our new list members to post their problems and misunderstandings to the list--this group exists to help all of us get more out of Perl. You never know, some of these mutes might actually speak and share some wisdom. ;-) Finally, I love the idea of this group, and I would really like to see some life in it. Perhaps our problems exist with its current leadership. If you feel that's the case, then by all means, let me know, I'll defer my status to site maintainer if you can breathe some life into the group. :-) One thing that might be causing some of our problems: I realise that most of our membership consists of veteran Perl programmers, most of which are traditionally self-reliant--we know where to look to find the answers we need, so we dig them up ourselves. Even so, consider airing out the problem on the list, others (our newbies, especially) can learn a great deal from it, and other vets may just show another way of dealing with the issue that we won't find in our docs. Newbies: don't be afraid to ask questions. Seeing how low traffic this list is, I don't think anyone will complain about FAQs--they certainly can't distract us from any other interesting conversations. ;-) Besides which, until you get accustomed with the doc organisation, we understand that you may not always know where to look. --Arthur Corliss Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers http://www.alaskapm.org/ ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Mon, 20 Dec 1999 15:03:25 -0700 From: randi@justcomputerjobs.com To: corliss@alaskapm.org Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal Hi, I represent http://www.JustPerlJobs.com, a jobsite dedicated exclusively to Perl professionals, and I wanted to write you and see if you would be interested in a banner or link trade. 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All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at gallanttech.com Mon Dec 20 19:05:43 1999 From: corliss at gallanttech.com (corliss@gallanttech.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Book Review: Elements of Perl Programming Message-ID: Greetings: I just finished posting Kelsey Gray's review of Andrew Johnson's Elements of Programming with Perl (MacMillan Publishing) on our site: http://www.alaskapm.org/reviews/elements.mtml If you were looking at that book in the stores, you can get a quick review of it before buying. :-) I've also updated the site for all of our member's Perl projects. Remember, if you have a Perl product/project, send me a link to its home page, and we'll list it. Also, if you have a home page for your personal endeavours, send me that link as well, and we'll list under member sites. :-) Have fun, and happy holidays. --Arthur Corliss Programmer/Administrator Gallant Technologies (http://www.gallanttech.com/) ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From rox at tara-lu.com Tue Dec 21 11:12:31 1999 From: rox at tara-lu.com (Roxanne Reid-Bennett) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) References: Message-ID: <385FB4FF.C44772A8@tara-lu.com> corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: >[...] > Finally, I love the idea of this group, and I would really like to see some > life in it. Perhaps our problems exist with its current leadership. If you > feel that's the case, then by all means, let me know, I'll defer my status to > site maintainer if you can breathe some life into the group. :-) Arthur, I can't speak for anybody else, however I can speak for me. "Life" in the group is a matter of more than one wanting to see something happen. It is just possible that you don't have a lot of live bodies. [I know I'm not one in this case] I'm perfectly happy with your leadership. I know how frustrating it can be to try everything you can think of to "get something going" and still not succeed. It gets especially frustrating when you have the feeling that somebody else would succeed where we ourselves have failed. I guess my point is, stick with it. Nobody else has better ideas, or they would have come out when you asked for them ;) Contribute what time you can, and others will contribute as they can and have an interest/need. > > One thing that might be causing some of our problems: I realise that most of > our membership consists of veteran Perl programmers, most of which are > traditionally self-reliant--we know where to look to find the answers we need, > so we dig them up ourselves. Even so, consider airing out the problem Agreed, although I'm not sure you have the entire picture painted. Not only are "we" self-reliant (being veteran Perl programmers), but we're Alaskan to boot, which adds it's own level of self-reliance as well as ... well to put it bluntly, I've seen a remarkable reluctance in people here to paint anything but a rosy picture. (Air *my* problems where other people can see them? ... I've found that when anonymity is possible, people are more willing to admit their problems) Frankly I'm not doing much in the way of Perl at the moment. [well, ok I did write a parser last month.. and I did have one significant problem. I did not think about reading in 2x10Mb of files into memory before writing things back out again. However, that was easily identified and fixed. > > Newbies: don't be afraid to ask questions. Seeing how low traffic this list > is, I don't think anyone will complain about FAQs--they certainly can't > distract us from any other interesting conversations. ;-) Other intersting conversations? Hey, how come they're not on the list? Private conversations aren't allowed . At best as a generator of interesting conversation I can toss out the suggestion that you attempt to find 12 people willing to write one short (up to 2 pages?) dissertation on the usage of some piece of Perl, like "how to create a package".. just an overview, a kinda lead me into it kinda thing. I've been using Perl since '95, but I don't use it for a lot of things, nor do I begin to use all of it's power. Rox -- Roxanne Reid-Bennett rox@tara-lu.com President, Tara-Lu Corporation http://www.tara-lu.com/ "Microsoft has dinosaurs in their DNA. Where would *you* go today?" (See Internet Week Dec 6th Issue, page 1) ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From jjohnson at psg.com Tue Dec 21 12:09:10 1999 From: jjohnson at psg.com (Jeremiah Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: <385FB4FF.C44772A8@tara-lu.com> Message-ID: The only problem I have with this group (and AKLUG for that matter) is the all too widespread use of the "Reply All" button everyone seems to use. Reply to the group, not the group AND everyone in the thread. Sheesh. :) There is no problem with any of the leadership in either group. -Jeremiah Johnson psg.com/~jjohnson On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Roxanne Reid-Bennett wrote: >corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: >>[...] >> Finally, I love the idea of this group, and I would really like to see some >> life in it. Perhaps our problems exist with its current leadership. If you >> feel that's the case, then by all means, let me know, I'll defer my status to >> site maintainer if you can breathe some life into the group. :-) > >Arthur, > >I can't speak for anybody else, however I can speak for me. "Life" in >the group is a matter of more than one wanting to see something happen. >It is just possible that you don't have a lot of live bodies. [I know >I'm not one in this case] > >I'm perfectly happy with your leadership. > >I know how frustrating it can be to try everything you can think of to >"get something going" and still not succeed. It gets especially >frustrating when you have the feeling that somebody else would succeed >where we ourselves have failed. I guess my point is, stick with it. >Nobody else has better ideas, or they would have come out when you asked >for them ;) > >Contribute what time you can, and others will contribute as they can and >have an interest/need. > >> >> One thing that might be causing some of our problems: I realise that most of >> our membership consists of veteran Perl programmers, most of which are >> traditionally self-reliant--we know where to look to find the answers we need, >> so we dig them up ourselves. Even so, consider airing out the problem >Agreed, although I'm not sure you have the entire picture painted. Not >only are "we" self-reliant (being veteran Perl programmers), but we're >Alaskan to boot, which adds it's own level of self-reliance as well as >... well to put it bluntly, I've seen a remarkable reluctance in people >here to paint anything but a rosy picture. (Air *my* problems where >other people can see them? ... I've found that when anonymity is >possible, people are more willing to admit their problems) > >Frankly I'm not doing much in the way of Perl at the moment. [well, ok I >did write a parser last month.. and I did have one significant problem. >I did not think about reading in 2x10Mb of files into memory before >writing things back out again. However, that was easily identified and >fixed. > >> >> Newbies: don't be afraid to ask questions. Seeing how low traffic this list >> is, I don't think anyone will complain about FAQs--they certainly can't >> distract us from any other interesting conversations. ;-) > >Other intersting conversations? Hey, how come they're not on the list? >Private conversations aren't allowed . > >At best as a generator of interesting conversation I can toss out the >suggestion that you attempt to find 12 people willing to write one short >(up to 2 pages?) dissertation on the usage of some piece of Perl, like >"how to create a package".. just an overview, a kinda lead me into it >kinda thing. I've been using Perl since '95, but I don't use it for a >lot of things, nor do I begin to use all of it's power. > >Rox >-- >Roxanne Reid-Bennett rox@tara-lu.com >President, Tara-Lu Corporation http://www.tara-lu.com/ > >"Microsoft has dinosaurs in their DNA. Where would *you* go today?" >(See Internet Week Dec 6th Issue, page 1) >================================================= >Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to >the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests >should be in the body, and look like such > subscribe anchorage-pm-list > unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list > ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at odinicfoundation.org Tue Dec 21 18:11:52 1999 From: corliss at odinicfoundation.org (Arthur Corliss) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > The only problem I have with this group (and AKLUG for that matter) is the > all too widespread use of the "Reply All" button everyone seems to use. > > Reply to the group, not the group AND everyone in the thread. Sheesh. :) > > There is no problem with any of the leadership in either group. There's a fine line to tread. If we configure the list like AKLUG used to have it, you won't be able to just reply to the individual without cut + pasting the e-mail address manually. While our method favours private responses, but requires a reply-to-all to get the list *and* the individual. Personally, I do favour the ability to easily reply to only the individual when necessary. However, we could put this to a vote. . . --Arthur Corliss Bolverk's Lair -- http://www.odinicfoundation.org/arthur/ "Live Free or Die, the Only Way to Live" -- NH State Motto ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From jjohnson at psg.com Wed Dec 22 04:08:51 1999 From: jjohnson at psg.com (Jeremiah Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: that doesn't make any sense. THE PEOPLE YOU'RE REPLYING TO ARE ALREADY PART OF THE LIST AND WILL GET THE MESSAGE WITHOUT YOU ADDING THEIR NAME TO THE CC: LIST. This then will reply only to the person who sent the message unless you reply all and remove everyone but the list. VERY ANNOYING. This is just a pet peeve of mine, but I'll leave over it, that's for sure. I'm not that fancy of a perl coder anyway, so its no big loss for you. In my mind, it inhibits posting to the list. There have been several times I have not posted for this very reason. I was in a good mood tonight, and went throught the very simple, but very annoying steps, then my piece of shit ISP disconnected me, and now I'm furious. I don't live in Alaska, and for the most part all ISPs up there are great, but this one here doesn't seem to understand that sending out maintanance notices and downtime windows to everyone is worth losing all the customers they're losing. Anyway, now I'm furious, and i'm posting out of anger. I don't post when I have something to say, only when I'm happy or angry, and that's not the kind of behavior a list should encourage, at least I don't think so. -Jeremiah Johnson psg.com/~jjohnson On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Arthur Corliss wrote: >On Tue, 21 Dec 1999, Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > >> The only problem I have with this group (and AKLUG for that matter) is the >> all too widespread use of the "Reply All" button everyone seems to use. >> >> Reply to the group, not the group AND everyone in the thread. Sheesh. :) >> >> There is no problem with any of the leadership in either group. > >There's a fine line to tread. If we configure the list like AKLUG used to >have it, you won't be able to just reply to the individual without cut + >pasting the e-mail address manually. While our method favours private >responses, but requires a reply-to-all to get the list *and* the individual. > >Personally, I do favour the ability to easily reply to only the individual >when necessary. However, we could put this to a vote. . . > > --Arthur Corliss > Bolverk's Lair -- http://www.odinicfoundation.org/arthur/ > "Live Free or Die, the Only Way to Live" -- NH State Motto > ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at alaskapm.org Wed Dec 22 04:35:10 1999 From: corliss at alaskapm.org (corliss@alaskapm.org) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > that doesn't make any sense. THE PEOPLE YOU'RE REPLYING TO ARE ALREADY > PART OF THE LIST AND WILL GET THE MESSAGE WITHOUT YOU ADDING THEIR NAME TO > THE CC: LIST. This then will reply only to the person who sent the > message unless you reply all and remove everyone but the list. VERY > ANNOYING. This is just a pet peeve of mine, but I'll leave over it, > that's for sure. I'm not that fancy of a perl coder anyway, so its no big > loss for you. Listen very closely: when you get a message, you can send a private reply just by *replying* to the message. If you want everyone to get the reply, then send a *reply-to-all*. Yes, the person you're replying to will get the message twice. That's the price you pay for favouring private replies over public replies. Most e-mail clients allow reply and reply-to-all via hot keys, so this is a very efficient way to do it. I've also said that if everyone prefers to do the opposite, and have the reply go straight to the list, I can set it up that way, but we need to vote on it. I know that from personal experience, I tend to use the private response more than the public since much of my replies may be either off topic or cover more than what the original message asked for. Now, what is everyone's preference? Do a simple reply to this message to send me a private vote. . . > In my mind, it inhibits posting to the list. There have been several > times I have not posted for this very reason. I was in a good mood > tonight, and went throught the very simple, but very annoying steps, then > my piece of shit ISP disconnected me, and now I'm furious. I don't live > in Alaska, and for the most part all ISPs up there are great, but this one > here doesn't seem to understand that sending out maintanance notices and > downtime windows to everyone is worth losing all the customers they're > losing. > > Anyway, now I'm furious, and i'm posting out of anger. I don't post when > I have something to say, only when I'm happy or angry, and that's not the > kind of behavior a list should encourage, at least I don't think so. Sounds like you have an issue with your ISP, not with us. You might be better off dealing with your issues off-line, and not on any list. Either way, I do consider the tone of your e-mail to be inappropriate. If this is going to be the standard voice you're going to adopt, you're more than welcome to leave. If you take this tone with anyone else on this list, I'll do it for you. --Arthur Corliss Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers http://www.alaskapm.org/ ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From jjohnson at psg.com Wed Dec 22 11:58:53 1999 From: jjohnson at psg.com (Jeremiah Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I fully understand that. BUT how often is the reply intended for the list, and how often is it untended for a single person. This is a list, not an address book, and if most of the traffic doesn't go to everyone, then the list should be dissolved, because its not doing its job. If most of the traffic goes to the list, and not to an individual person, then why should I have to go through that extra step to get the To: field to say what I want it to say? When I reply, I want everyone to see it. That's what a list is for. That's why I joined, because its a discussion group, not a list of people to talk to one on one. I don't want to have to do extra work to get this list to behave like every other list on the planet. -Jeremiah Johnson psg.com/~jjohnson On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: >On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > >> that doesn't make any sense. THE PEOPLE YOU'RE REPLYING TO ARE ALREADY >> PART OF THE LIST AND WILL GET THE MESSAGE WITHOUT YOU ADDING THEIR NAME TO >> THE CC: LIST. This then will reply only to the person who sent the >> message unless you reply all and remove everyone but the list. VERY >> ANNOYING. This is just a pet peeve of mine, but I'll leave over it, >> that's for sure. I'm not that fancy of a perl coder anyway, so its no big >> loss for you. > >Listen very closely: when you get a message, you can send a private reply >just by *replying* to the message. If you want everyone to get the reply, >then send a *reply-to-all*. Yes, the person you're replying to will get the >message twice. That's the price you pay for favouring private replies over >public replies. Most e-mail clients allow reply and reply-to-all via hot >keys, so this is a very efficient way to do it. > >I've also said that if everyone prefers to do the opposite, and have the reply >go straight to the list, I can set it up that way, but we need to vote on it. >I know that from personal experience, I tend to use the private response more >than the public since much of my replies may be either off topic or cover more >than what the original message asked for. > >Now, what is everyone's preference? Do a simple reply to this message to send >me a private vote. . . > >> In my mind, it inhibits posting to the list. There have been several >> times I have not posted for this very reason. I was in a good mood >> tonight, and went throught the very simple, but very annoying steps, then >> my piece of shit ISP disconnected me, and now I'm furious. I don't live >> in Alaska, and for the most part all ISPs up there are great, but this one >> here doesn't seem to understand that sending out maintanance notices and >> downtime windows to everyone is worth losing all the customers they're >> losing. >> >> Anyway, now I'm furious, and i'm posting out of anger. I don't post when >> I have something to say, only when I'm happy or angry, and that's not the >> kind of behavior a list should encourage, at least I don't think so. > >Sounds like you have an issue with your ISP, not with us. You might be better >off dealing with your issues off-line, and not on any list. Either way, I do >consider the tone of your e-mail to be inappropriate. If this is going to be >the standard voice you're going to adopt, you're more than welcome to leave. >If you take this tone with anyone else on this list, I'll do it for you. > > --Arthur Corliss > Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers > http://www.alaskapm.org/ > > >================================================= >Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to >the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests >should be in the body, and look like such > subscribe anchorage-pm-list > unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list > ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at alaskapm.org Wed Dec 22 12:30:28 1999 From: corliss at alaskapm.org (corliss@alaskapm.org) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > I fully understand that. BUT how often is the reply intended for the > list, and how often is it untended for a single person. This is a list, > not an address book, and if most of the traffic doesn't go to everyone, > then the list should be dissolved, because its not doing its job. If most > of the traffic goes to the list, and not to an individual person, then why > should I have to go through that extra step to get the To: field to say > what I want it to say? > > When I reply, I want everyone to see it. That's what a list is > for. That's why I joined, because its a discussion group, not a list of > people to talk to one on one. > > I don't want to have to do extra work to get this list to behave like > every other list on the planet. Not to beat a dead horse, but if the majority agrees with you, we'll change it. But, honestly, what's wrong with doing a reply-to-all? In theory, that should take exactly as many calories as a reply, and outside of someone getting one extra e-mail, works the way you want. I'm waiting on everyone's input before doing anything, but I do think that we're making mountains out of mole hills, here. --Arthur Corliss Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers http://www.alaskapm.org/ ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From rox at tara-lu.com Wed Dec 22 19:32:50 1999 From: rox at tara-lu.com (Roxanne Reid-Bennett) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) References: Message-ID: <38617BC2.7AD2D78E@tara-lu.com> corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: [...] > Now, what is everyone's preference? Do a simple reply to this message to send > me a private vote. . . Arthur, under almost any condition I'd vote for a "reply" to go to the author, and the writer would have to work to have the reply go to (just) the list. However, with the list as "dead" as it currently is, changing the default behavior, at least for a period of time, may actually encourage discussion that wouldn't take place any other way.. If for no other reason than people saying "oops". Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > I don't want to have to do extra work to get this list to behave like > every other list on the planet. > I'll disagree with you on this one, in general. The net standard (at least the last time I read it) highly recommends that "reply" go to the author *as the standard*. There are all sorts of reasons for that behavior, most of them apply to higher-volume lists. [and considering that for a period of about a year I was running over a dozen mail lists generating between 100-750 messages a day to several thousand subscribers, I paid close attention to what kind of traffic was going to the lists, and what the configuration brought to the table for the readers and the managers.] However, different people have different preferences. This group is small enough and the list traffic is light enough that the other configuration (reply going to the list) won't degrade the quality of the content on the list . Rox -- Roxanne Reid-Bennett rox@tara-lu.com President, Tara-Lu Corporation http://www.tara-lu.com/ "Microsoft has dinosaurs in their DNA. Where would *you* go today?" (See Internet Week Dec 6th Issue, page 1) ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at alaskapm.org Wed Dec 22 20:56:03 1999 From: corliss at alaskapm.org (corliss@alaskapm.org) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: <38617BC2.7AD2D78E@tara-lu.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Roxanne Reid-Bennett wrote: > corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: > [...] > > Now, what is everyone's preference? Do a simple reply to this message to send > > me a private vote. . . > > Arthur, under almost any condition I'd vote for a "reply" to go to the > author, and the writer would have to work to have the reply go to (just) > the list. However, with the list as "dead" as it currently is, changing > the default behavior, at least for a period of time, may actually > encourage discussion that wouldn't take place any other way.. If for no > other reason than people saying "oops". :-) I'll put you down as vote for Jeremiah's preference, then. So far, though, I have two votes for the current configuration, and two for Jeremiah's, both counts including both myself and Jeremiah. Talk about voter apathy. ;-) Until I hear from more list users, I won't be changing anything. As a matter of personal policy, no amount of public squawking is going to make me take action without a good rationale and some general consensus. I don't particularly like how this issue was broached to begin with, and I think I've been very tolerant in my handling of it to date. > Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > > I don't want to have to do extra work to get this list to behave like > > every other list on the planet. > > I'll disagree with you on this one, in general. The net standard (at > least the last time I read it) highly recommends that "reply" go to the > author *as the standard*. There are all sorts of reasons for that > behavior, most of them apply to higher-volume lists. [and considering > that for a period of about a year I was running over a dozen mail lists > generating between 100-750 messages a day to several thousand > subscribers, I paid close attention to what kind of traffic was going to > the lists, and what the configuration brought to the table for the > readers and the managers.] Something that I considered bringing up, but didn't think it worth the trouble. But, since you did, I'll echo that. I think Jeremiah's experience with lists is very limited. An overwhelming percentage of lists that I've used operate in just the way we are. > However, different people have different preferences. This group is > small enough and the list traffic is light enough that the other > configuration (reply going to the list) won't degrade the quality of the > content on the list . Agreed with the statement, but, again, I want to hear what all the users have to say before taking action simply because of the way this subject was initiated. There's a lot to be said about respect and ettiquette that must be maintained in a public forum, something that was a bit lacking as of late. --Arthur Corliss Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers http://www.alaskapm.org/ ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From fgd at alaska.net Thu Dec 23 03:42:11 1999 From: fgd at alaska.net (Fielder George Dowding) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (Really: List Reply Configuration) Message-ID: <3861EE73.755714B5@alaska.net> Greetings Perl Mongers! I just had to change the subject to something I could understand. I do like the present configuration - Reply To goes to the individual (the >From addressee) and Reply to All includes the list and all other addressees. Cheerio! -- Fielder George Dowding dba Iceworm Enterprises fgd@alaska.net iceworm@customcpu.com 909 Chugach Way Lot 35, Anchorage, Alaska, US 99503-5667 ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From jjohnson at psg.com Thu Dec 23 09:42:40 1999 From: jjohnson at psg.com (Jeremiah Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bugtraq, NANOG, and all the other lists I'm subscribed to (excluding this one and AKLUG) a total of 8, the Reply To: header points to the list. I do not have limited experience. You have limited understanding of typical list behavior. bye -Jeremiah Johnson psg.com/~jjohnson On Wed, 22 Dec 1999 corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: >On Wed, 22 Dec 1999, Roxanne Reid-Bennett wrote: > >> corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: >> [...] >> > Now, what is everyone's preference? Do a simple reply to this message to send >> > me a private vote. . . >> >> Arthur, under almost any condition I'd vote for a "reply" to go to the >> author, and the writer would have to work to have the reply go to (just) >> the list. However, with the list as "dead" as it currently is, changing >> the default behavior, at least for a period of time, may actually >> encourage discussion that wouldn't take place any other way.. If for no >> other reason than people saying "oops". > >:-) I'll put you down as vote for Jeremiah's preference, then. So far, >though, I have two votes for the current configuration, and two for >Jeremiah's, both counts including both myself and Jeremiah. Talk about voter >apathy. ;-) > >Until I hear from more list users, I won't be changing anything. As a matter >of personal policy, no amount of public squawking is going to make me take >action without a good rationale and some general consensus. I don't >particularly like how this issue was broached to begin with, and I think I've >been very tolerant in my handling of it to date. > >> Jeremiah Johnson wrote: >> > I don't want to have to do extra work to get this list to behave like >> > every other list on the planet. >> >> I'll disagree with you on this one, in general. The net standard (at >> least the last time I read it) highly recommends that "reply" go to the >> author *as the standard*. There are all sorts of reasons for that >> behavior, most of them apply to higher-volume lists. [and considering >> that for a period of about a year I was running over a dozen mail lists >> generating between 100-750 messages a day to several thousand >> subscribers, I paid close attention to what kind of traffic was going to >> the lists, and what the configuration brought to the table for the >> readers and the managers.] > >Something that I considered bringing up, but didn't think it worth the >trouble. But, since you did, I'll echo that. I think Jeremiah's experience >with lists is very limited. An overwhelming percentage of lists that I've >used operate in just the way we are. > >> However, different people have different preferences. This group is >> small enough and the list traffic is light enough that the other >> configuration (reply going to the list) won't degrade the quality of the >> content on the list . > >Agreed with the statement, but, again, I want to hear what all the users have >to say before taking action simply because of the way this subject was >initiated. There's a lot to be said about respect and ettiquette that must be >maintained in a public forum, something that was a bit lacking as of late. > > --Arthur Corliss > Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers > http://www.alaskapm.org/ > >================================================= >Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to >the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests >should be in the body, and look like such > subscribe anchorage-pm-list > unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list > ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From corliss at alaskapm.org Thu Dec 23 11:11:39 1999 From: corliss at alaskapm.org (corliss@alaskapm.org) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 23 Dec 1999, Jeremiah Johnson wrote: > Bugtraq, NANOG, and all the other lists I'm subscribed to (excluding this > one and AKLUG) a total of 8, the Reply To: header points to the list. Please. If you bother to take a look around, you'll find a clear majority that does just what I'm talking about, which obviously you haven't. Every Perl list I've been on so far is this way, as well as just about every support list for daemons from HylaFax to others. Do the math. > I do not have limited experience. You have limited understanding of > typical list behavior. You need to actually look at the wide variety of lists out there before you look to your own limited experience for a statistical average. Hell, you even said that this issue was enough for you not to subscribe, so you're even admitting to a certain bias and screening. Hardly scientifically honest or accurate. > bye Good riddance. Well, folks, it looks like this thread is officially dead, and no one even called anyone else a Nazi yet! ;-) --Arthur Corliss Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers http://www.alaskapm.org/ ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. 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All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From jjohnson at psg.com Fri Dec 24 10:25:12 1999 From: jjohnson at psg.com (Jeremiah Johnson) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Banner/Link exchange proposal (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: List Nazi. Looks like I hurt poor Art's feelings. Didn't mean to piss anyone off, but since I have, go to Hell. No, wait you're in Alaska. Already there. -Jeremiah Johnson psg.com/~jjohnson On Thu, 23 Dec 1999 corliss@alaskapm.org wrote: [snipped garbage] > >Good riddance. > >Well, folks, it looks like this thread is officially dead, and no one even >called anyone else a Nazi yet! ;-) > > --Arthur Corliss > Perl Monger/Alaska Perl Mongers > http://www.alaskapm.org/ > > ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From scot at ridgways.org Fri Dec 24 19:17:54 1999 From: scot at ridgways.org (J. Scot Ridgway) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: Yawn... Impressive. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: :0 * ^From.*jjohnson@psg.com /dev/null -- Scot Ridgway scot@ridgways.org sridgway@orionassociates.com ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list From lsawyer at gci.com Tue Dec 28 16:05:19 1999 From: lsawyer at gci.com (Leif Sawyer) Date: Wed Aug 4 23:56:59 2004 Subject: List Reply Configuration Message-ID: Of course, this could all be settled VERY easily if the mailling list software were Mailman. Then everybody could configure their account to their own preferences, and you could all just SHUT UP about it. :-) (that aughta stoke the ol' OS war fires) Happy holidays! Leif ================================================= Mailing list info: If at any time you wish to (un|re)subscribe to the list send the request to majordomo@hfb.pm.org. All requests should be in the body, and look like such subscribe anchorage-pm-list unsubscribe anchorage-pm-list