From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Mon Sep  3 08:25:29 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 11:25:29 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] beer!  wednesday!
Message-ID: <20070903152529.GA2209@knight.manxome.org>


I guess this reminder is late, but it's not like the first Wednesday of the
month is hard to predict, right?

Wednesday!  Beer!  Where?

I will hopefully have some talk materials to ask about.  Next time, I will have
talks!

-- 
rjbs

From fiedlert at gmail.com  Mon Sep  3 16:39:41 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:39:41 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] beer! wednesday!
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Im in. I have no preferences where we go.

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Mon Sep  3 16:46:07 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 19:46:07 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] beer! wednesday!
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* Ted Fiedler <fiedlert at gmail.com> [2007-09-03T19:39:41]
> Im in. I have no preferences where we go.

My wife is flying in on Wednesday.  I'd *prefer* to go to McGrady's, but if
she's going to arrive at 21:00, it'll be a lot easier on me to go to Gute.
Unless anyone has a preference, or, needs to know further in advance, I'll send
a message early on Wednesday.

Yes, I'm being a selfish prat!

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Mon Sep  3 19:47:22 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2007 22:47:22 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] beer! wednesday!
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On 03/09/07 19:39 -0400, Ted Fiedler wrote:
> Im in. I have no preferences where we go.

I prefer the food (and beer) at Gute's, although it's been kinda' noisy
the past coupla' times.

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From jkeen at verizon.net  Wed Sep  5 05:09:23 2007
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 08:09:23 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Hackathon, Anyone?
Message-ID: <E662DFD2-0058-4957-A07B-5C1FD02F836B@verizon.net>

At YAPC::NA::2007 in Houston, I recall hearing some folks from  
Philadelphia and ABE discussing the possibility of organizing a  
hackathon sometime in the fall or winter.

Is anyone pursuing this possibility?

Thank you very much.
Jim Keenan

From fiedlert at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 05:11:22 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 08:11:22 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] hotels for Pittsburgh workshop
Message-ID: <814422ce0709050511p4b3c1528y626dabf268ab8963@mail.gmail.com>

Where is everyone/anyone staying during the Pittsburgh workshop? Im looking
at hotels today so I can put together a PO for $boss's approval.

Ted

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From jeff at smashing.org  Wed Sep  5 06:17:23 2007
From: jeff at smashing.org (Jeff Horwitz)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 09:17:23 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [ABE.pm] Hackathon, Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <E662DFD2-0058-4957-A07B-5C1FD02F836B@verizon.net>
References: <E662DFD2-0058-4957-A07B-5C1FD02F836B@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0709050903570.4651@booger.sixgeeks.org>

On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, James E Keenan wrote:

> At YAPC::NA::2007 in Houston, I recall hearing some folks from
> Philadelphia and ABE discussing the possibility of organizing a
> hackathon sometime in the fall or winter.
>
> Is anyone pursuing this possibility?

i was aggressively pursuing it, and still am.  but after looking at the 
conference and holiday schedules (pittsburgh perl workshop in particular), 
it made more sense to move it to early 2008, so i haven't been as vocal 
about it lately.

as for venue, hotels in philly (the city) are just too expensive.  there 
are several affordable places out here on the main line within walking 
distance of public transportation, so i've been focusing my efforts on 
researching those hotels.  i was going to compile a list and then start 
calling around to talk about facilities and group rates.

if anyone has ideas, please let me know!

-jeff

From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 07:29:47 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 10:29:47 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] beer! wednesday!
In-Reply-To: <20070904024722.GB10876@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070903152529.GA2209@knight.manxome.org>
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* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-03T22:47:22]
> On 03/09/07 19:39 -0400, Ted Fiedler wrote:
> > Im in. I have no preferences where we go.
> 
> I prefer the food (and beer) at Gute's, although it's been kinda' noisy
> the past coupla' times.

Fine with me!  See you there.  I'll be there around 18:00.

-- 
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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 08:01:39 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:01:39 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
Message-ID: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>

Here are two attemtps to do the same thing, but I'm stuck on both.

Objective: parse the string

    q( my @prereqs = ("forddaily", "processdailydata"); )

into an array

    @myarray = ( q(forddaily), q(processdailydata))

Difficulty: there are n items in the list, IOW the resulting array will
sometimes have one element, sometimes three elements, etc.


Method 1: I thought I could do it with a regex and back references,
but the variable number of entries won't allow that (I think).
I'm thinking map could help here, but I'm not sure.

Method 2: split the original string on '(', toss the first element, split
the result on ',' and you end up with

    @myarray = ( q("forddaily"), q("processdailydata");) );

I now want to edit this array "in place" to remove the non-alphabetic
characters but the only method I can think of is 

    my @newarray ;
    foreach(@myarray) {
        my $string =~ /"([a-z]+)"/;
        push(@newarray, $string)
    }

which seems clunky.

Anyone got anything sexier?

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 08:05:16 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:05:16 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] And dinner is where tonight?
Message-ID: <20070905150516.GA15142@neptune.faber.nom>


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908-320-0357
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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 08:09:50 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 11:09:50 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] And dinner is where tonight?
In-Reply-To: <20070905150516.GA15142@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070905150516.GA15142@neptune.faber.nom>
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* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T11:05:16]
> [dinner?] 

Gute.  18:00.

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 09:23:05 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 12:23:05 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
In-Reply-To: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20070905162305.GA9417@knight.manxome.org>

* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T11:01:39]
> Here are two attemtps to do the same thing, but I'm stuck on both.
> 
> Objective: parse the string
> 
>     q( my @prereqs = ("forddaily", "processdailydata"); )

Isn't there some way you can NOT have to parse Perl code?

Do you always trust that the incoming string is NOT malicious?

I would NOT screw around here.  Do one of two things:

  (a) if you trust the code, use eval $string and Data::Dumper
  (b) if you do not, use PPI

Alternately, define a very specific grammar that the code must match.  Then a
regex will be easy.

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 10:04:47 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 13:04:47 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
In-Reply-To: <20070905162305.GA9417@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070905162305.GA9417@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070905170447.GA15425@neptune.faber.nom>

On 05/09/07 12:23 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T11:01:39]
> > Here are two attemtps to do the same thing, but I'm stuck on both.
> > 
> > Objective: parse the string
> > 
> >     q( my @prereqs = ("forddaily", "processdailydata"); )
> 
> Isn't there some way you can NOT have to parse Perl code?

No.  The information I am looking for is in Perl code.

> Do you always trust that the incoming string is NOT malicious?

Well, let's see... first, I wrote all of the code being searched; second,
I'm the only one who touches/understands/writes the code; and third, if
the source code were modified, other things would break and be noticed
long before the current project is (re)run. 

So, yeah.  I think I trust myself.

> I would NOT screw around here.  Do one of two things:
> 
>   (a) if you trust the code, use eval $string and Data::Dumper

I can see where that would work, but I don't like the idea of eval-ing a
string in this context.

>   (b) if you do not, use PPI

That looks interesting.
 
> Alternately, define a very specific grammar that the code must match.  Then a
> regex will be easy.

I ended up doing the second method (parsing at the '(' first) and then
running a map across the second created array like this:

    map{$_ = $1 if m/"([a-z]+)"/ } @prereqs;

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Faber Fedor
President
Linux New Jersey, Inc.
908-320-0357
800-706-0701

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 11:17:23 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 14:17:23 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
In-Reply-To: <20070905170447.GA15425@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070905162305.GA9417@knight.manxome.org>
	<20070905170447.GA15425@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20070905181723.GB9566@knight.manxome.org>

* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T13:04:47]
> >   (a) if you trust the code, use eval $string and Data::Dumper
> 
> I can see where that would work, but I don't like the idea of eval-ing a
> string in this context.

Why not?  Just curious.

-- 
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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 12:13:36 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:13:36 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
In-Reply-To: <20070905181723.GB9566@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070905162305.GA9417@knight.manxome.org>
	<20070905170447.GA15425@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070905181723.GB9566@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070905191336.GA16332@neptune.faber.nom>

On 05/09/07 14:17 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T13:04:47]
> > >   (a) if you trust the code, use eval $string and Data::Dumper
> > 
> > I can see where that would work, but I don't like the idea of eval-ing a
> > string in this context.
> 
> Why not?  Just curious.

I've got thirty some programs in my system.  Some of them require a
successful completion of (an)other program(s) before they can execute. 
My project here is to determine which programs need which prerequisite
programs (@prereqs) to run.  

Ideally, I should have a line in each file in POD format listing the
prerequisites but all I actually have is that line of code 
('my @prereqs = ("forddaily", "russelldaily");').

So, in this context, it's not code, it's documentation and I don't want to
execute "documentation".


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Faber Fedor
President
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908-320-0357
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From fiedlert at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 12:17:22 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:17:22 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] So who can explain this?
Message-ID: <814422ce0709051217v6dce4fc8k190f3671aaf564c3@mail.gmail.com>

perl -e 'print  map { s/^.{1}0{0,}//, $_} shift @ARGV' D234
perl -e 'print  map { s/^.{1}0{0,}//, $_} shift @ARGV' 000000234
perl -e 'print  map { s/^.{1}0{0,}//, $_} shift @ARGV' D0000234

prints: 1234

Im sure im losing my mind...

what im looking for is: 234

Ted

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 12:23:28 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:23:28 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
In-Reply-To: <20070905191336.GA16332@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070905162305.GA9417@knight.manxome.org>
	<20070905170447.GA15425@neptune.faber.nom>
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* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T15:13:36]
> Ideally, I should have a line in each file in POD format listing the
> prerequisites but all I actually have is that line of code 
> ('my @prereqs = ("forddaily", "russelldaily");').
> 
> So, in this context, it's not code, it's documentation and I don't want to
> execute "documentation".

If you know it's just going to be that, I'd still eval it.  but actually, I'd
change it to be YAML in a POD =for block... or something else.

-- 
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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 12:24:54 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:24:54 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] So who can explain this?
In-Reply-To: <814422ce0709051217v6dce4fc8k190f3671aaf564c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <814422ce0709051217v6dce4fc8k190f3671aaf564c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070905192454.GB9680@knight.manxome.org>

* Ted Fiedler <fiedlert at gmail.com> [2007-09-05T15:17:22]
> perl -e 'print  map { s/^.{1}0{0,}//, $_} shift @ARGV' D234
> perl -e 'print  map { s/^.{1}0{0,}//, $_} shift @ARGV' 000000234
> perl -e 'print  map { s/^.{1}0{0,}//, $_} shift @ARGV' D0000234
> 
> prints: 1234

You want a semicolon, not a comma, in the map.  the s/// returns 1, and the
print concatentates the 1 to the 234.

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From fiedlert at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 12:38:55 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:38:55 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] So who can explain this?
In-Reply-To: <20070905192454.GB9680@knight.manxome.org>
References: <814422ce0709051217v6dce4fc8k190f3671aaf564c3@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070905192454.GB9680@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <814422ce0709051238w24e93fc3u59c328f80730dec6@mail.gmail.com>

Another case for "Ted, RTFM"


> You want a semicolon, not a comma, in the map.  the s/// returns 1, and
> the
> print concatentates the 1 to the 234.


And perlretut explains that succinctly...

--snip--

If there is a match, "s///" returns the number of
       substitutions made, otherwise it returns false.

--snip--



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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 12:47:13 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:47:13 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
In-Reply-To: <20070905192328.GA9680@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070905150139.GA15111@neptune.faber.nom>
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	<20070905192328.GA9680@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070905194713.GA16478@neptune.faber.nom>

On 05/09/07 15:23 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T15:13:36]
> > Ideally, I should have a line in each file in POD format listing the
> > prerequisites but all I actually have is that line of code 
> > ('my @prereqs = ("forddaily", "russelldaily");').
> > 
> > So, in this context, it's not code, it's documentation and I don't want to
> > execute "documentation".
> 
> If you know it's just going to be that, I'd still eval it.  but actually, I'd
> change it to be YAML in a POD =for block... or something else.

Originally I was going to do YAML (still might) but I ended up using the
GraphViz module to generate a graph.

Good idea in theory but I've never gotten a good-looking graph out of
GraphViz.  The graph for this project is two deep and ridiculously wide.
I guess it's back to OmniGraffle to impress the suits


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President
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908-320-0357
800-706-0701

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 12:59:24 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 15:59:24 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Directions to Gutes'
Message-ID: <20070905195924.GA16550@neptune.faber.nom>

I'm coming in from a diffeent direction tonight (via 78) so I need
directions through Bethlehem.  Unfortunately, I don't remember the
proper spelling of our dining place.  

Can someone give me an address or cross streets so I Can look this up on
Google Maps?

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President
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908-320-0357
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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 13:12:38 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:12:38 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Never mind [WAS: Directions]
Message-ID: <20070905201238.GA16626@neptune.faber.nom>

I finally found the place with Google's spelling correction.

See y'all at 6!

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From rhkramer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  5 13:18:17 2007
From: rhkramer at gmail.com (Randy Kramer)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:18:17 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Directions to Gutes'
In-Reply-To: <20070905195924.GA16550@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070905195924.GA16550@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <200709051618.17790.rhkramer@gmail.com>

On Wednesday 05 September 2007 03:59 pm, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> Can someone give me an address or cross streets so I Can look this up on
> Google Maps?

Faber,

It's Machs Gute, 713 Linden Street, 18018.

You should be able to get it from that (I don't know what the cross street 
would be.

Randy Kramer



From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 13:20:00 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:20:00 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] A little programming help
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* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-05T15:47:13]
> Good idea in theory but I've never gotten a good-looking graph out of
> GraphViz.  The graph for this project is two deep and ridiculously wide.
> I guess it's back to OmniGraffle to impress the suits

FWIW, OmniGraffle can read in a GraphViz program and use it as a starting
point.

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 13:31:38 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 16:31:38 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Directions to Gutes'
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* Randy Kramer <rhkramer at gmail.com> [2007-09-05T16:18:17]
> It's Machs Gute, 713 Linden Street, 18018.
> 
> You should be able to get it from that (I don't know what the cross street 
> would be.

For future reference, it's between Garrison and North streets, maybe slightly
closer to North.

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Wed Sep  5 18:12:37 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 21:12:37 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] W.H. Auden, the Fall of Rome
Message-ID: <20070906011237.GA11659@zodiac.codesimply.com>


As mentioned this evening:

  http://www.cs.rice.edu/~ssiyer/minstrels/poems/494.html

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From jkeen at verizon.net  Wed Sep  5 18:13:31 2007
From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan)
Date: Wed, 05 Sep 2007 21:13:31 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Hackathon, Anyone?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0709050903570.4651@booger.sixgeeks.org>
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On Sep 5, 2007, at 9:17 AM, Jeff Horwitz wrote:

> On Wed, 5 Sep 2007, James E Keenan wrote:
>
>> At YAPC::NA::2007 in Houston, I recall hearing some folks from
>> Philadelphia and ABE discussing the possibility of organizing a
>> hackathon sometime in the fall or winter.
>>
>> Is anyone pursuing this possibility?
>
> i was aggressively pursuing it, and still am.  but after looking at  
> the conference and holiday schedules (pittsburgh perl workshop in  
> particular), it made more sense to move it to early 2008,

Okay.

> so i haven't been as vocal about it lately.
>
> as for venue, hotels in philly (the city) are just too expensive.

Understandably.

> there are several affordable places out here on the main line  
> within walking distance of public transportation, so i've been  
> focusing my efforts on researching those hotels.  i was going to  
> compile a list and then start calling around to talk about  
> facilities and group rates.
>

Hackathon Chicago last November took place in a suburban (or, more  
precisely) exurban motel (Country Inns) > 40 miles out of Chicago.   
The basic requirements were:  (1) one multi-purpose meeting room  
capable of holding 30 people at tables available nearly round-the- 
clock on a weekend; (2) wireless (the motel's ordinary DSL); and (3)  
motel rooms.

Perhaps some place out near Exit 4 of the Jersey Pike would suffice.

Of course, a multi-purpose room at Penn, Drexel or Temple would be  
even nicer!

jimk



From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 19:40:24 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:40:24 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Videos (some not) mentioned tonight and other things
Message-ID: <20070906024024.GA17114@neptune.faber.nom>

Ted, is this the "snorting wasabi" one you meant?

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=c74JnI4ucsU

Here's the Wii boxing chick (close your eyes and listen, NSFW; open your
eyes and totally SFW)

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=6OMCwwTjvuM

One video I started to mention as a fave (Mad Max + Ace of Spades) but was
interrupted by someone:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=H6Vw402IaII

The book I'm currently in hooked by:

http://tinyurl.com/2uacqu

The "Sounds like Kate Bush" page from CDBaby.com:

http://cdbaby.com/found?soundlike=Kate+Bush

CDBaby.com sells only indie albums and you can probably figure out how to
search on other artists.

Charlotte Martin's "Test-Drive Songs" is awesome! The only place I could
find it is on iTunes which means I've actually bought something on
iTunes (but I refuse to admit it)!


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From faber at linuxnj.com  Wed Sep  5 19:49:58 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 22:49:58 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
Message-ID: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>

Walt,

As the resident CompSci grad student, what do you think about "Concrete
Mathematics" (http://tinyurl.com/2wm7on)?

I've been trying to work my way through it but it's been difficult. I
think my problem is my math background is BS/MS EE related math (read:
analysis) and nothing related to discrete math.

Any suggestions on what kind of math I need to read up on to grok
"Concrete Mathematics"?

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From waltman at pobox.com  Wed Sep  5 20:28:33 2007
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2007 23:28:33 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
In-Reply-To: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20070906032833.GG11552@mawode.com>

On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 10:49:58PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> Walt,
> 
> As the resident CompSci grad student, what do you think about "Concrete
> Mathematics" (http://tinyurl.com/2wm7on)?
> 
> I've been trying to work my way through it but it's been difficult. I
> think my problem is my math background is BS/MS EE related math (read:
> analysis) and nothing related to discrete math.
> 
> Any suggestions on what kind of math I need to read up on to grok
> "Concrete Mathematics"?

Faber,

Sorry, I've never read Concrete Mathematics.  About all I know about
it is that it's printed in an odd boxy font that Knuth created just
for that book.  I skimmed through it in Drexel's library just to look
at it.  I think it's ugly. :)

Offhand I'd think that if you could handle the math you see getting a
BS/MS in EE, you could handle anything Knuth would throw at you.  But
maybe not.  Comp Sci math tends to focus on different things than what
real engineers do.  Stuff like Jacobians, gradiants, and other
calculus things show up in subfields like computer vision, but not so
much in analyzing algorithms.

I suppose it's also possible that your math's gotten a little rusty.
I know mine was when I started back at Drexel.  I still feel behind
some of the recent grads.

Walt

From fiedlert at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 01:53:04 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 04:53:04 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] George Oppen etc...
Message-ID: <814422ce0709060153h415aeb0ct2dc9b933b900d605@mail.gmail.com>

George Oppen

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Oppen

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/archive/poem.html?id=175676

I may back off my claim that he be the best post 50's American Poet - but
rather *subjectively* in my top 10. Bukowski I think again may claim that
top spot.

Ted

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From john-abe at apt202.net  Thu Sep  6 07:24:38 2007
From: john-abe at apt202.net (John Cappiello)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 10:24:38 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Hackathon, Anyone?
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On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 08:09:23AM -0400, James E Keenan wrote:
> At YAPC::NA::2007 in Houston, I recall hearing some folks from  
> Philadelphia and ABE discussing the possibility of organizing a  
> hackathon sometime in the fall or winter.
> 
> Is anyone pursuing this possibility?

A few of us from those two groups have been discussing a workshop in the
area since last years Pittsburgh Workshop.  

Since YAPC not much has happened, in a lot of ways because there haven't
been many interesting prospects from locations in the area to host it.

Other general plans were: 

Have it sometime after the new year, when there are few other
conferences and such.  Of course while at the YAPC BoF we discovered
Dave Rolsky's plans for the Frozen Perl workshop
(http://www.frozen-perl.org/mpw2008/).  From there, we discussed either
running them in tandem, or perhaps later in February, or maybe even
March.

Run two tracks.  1 more formal, 1 more round table with some
predetermined topics throughout the day. Letting people bounce in and
out between the two.

I'd love to see these plans fleshed out and moved forward.  PHL has some
great offerings as far as transport, proximity to other major cities,
and hotels, but a venue is still undetermined.  I've been sort of stuck
around this issue for a while.  I feel if we could overcome this we
could get the rest in place.

I don't remember hearing specifically about a Hackathon, or Jeff's
plans, but it would be great to see these two plans converge.

John

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Sep  6 18:16:06 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:16:06 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
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On 05/09/07 23:28 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 10:49:58PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> Sorry, I've never read Concrete Mathematics.  About all I know about
> it is that it's printed in an odd boxy font that Knuth created just
> for that book.  I skimmed through it in Drexel's library just to look
> at it.  I think it's ugly. :)

That explains the look!  I've got a copy from a Japanese publisher and
thought it looked... dated.


> Offhand I'd think that if you could handle the math you see getting a
> BS/MS in EE, you could handle anything Knuth would throw at you.  But
> maybe not.  Comp Sci math tends to focus on different things than what
> real engineers do.  Stuff like Jacobians, gradiants, and other
> calculus things show up in subfields like computer vision, but not so
> much in analyzing algorithms.

I think that's my problem.  As an example, in CM, they're analyzing "the
Jospehus prolem" which is analyzing an algorithm and it all seems murky
to me. They make a couple of leaps that I can't work through. It's
almost as if I'm missing something basic.

> I suppose it's also possible that your math's gotten a little rusty.
> I know mine was when I started back at Drexel.  I still feel behind
> some of the recent grads.

That's one of the reasons I'm going back and revisiting some of my
maths.  I worked through a complex analysis book this pass summer and
the book I'm reading has me all hopped up to learn modern (abstract)
algebra. But none of that has to do with analyzing algorithms!


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From waltman at pobox.com  Thu Sep  6 18:32:07 2007
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 21:32:07 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
In-Reply-To: <20070907011606.GB24847@neptune.faber.nom>
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:16:06PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> On 05/09/07 23:28 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> > On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 10:49:58PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> > Sorry, I've never read Concrete Mathematics.  About all I know about
> > it is that it's printed in an odd boxy font that Knuth created just
> > for that book.  I skimmed through it in Drexel's library just to look
> > at it.  I think it's ugly. :)
> 
> That explains the look!  I've got a copy from a Japanese publisher and
> thought it looked... dated.

Yes, it's a weird font.  Everything else I've seen published by him
uses Computer Modern, so I wonder if maybe he didn't like it either.

> > Offhand I'd think that if you could handle the math you see getting a
> > BS/MS in EE, you could handle anything Knuth would throw at you.  But
> > maybe not.  Comp Sci math tends to focus on different things than what
> > real engineers do.  Stuff like Jacobians, gradiants, and other
> > calculus things show up in subfields like computer vision, but not so
> > much in analyzing algorithms.
> 
> I think that's my problem.  As an example, in CM, they're analyzing "the
> Jospehus prolem" which is analyzing an algorithm and it all seems murky
> to me. They make a couple of leaps that I can't work through. It's
> almost as if I'm missing something basic.

Hmm...maybe I'll check it out of the library tomorrow and see what's
going on.

The book I (sort of) used as an undergrad is Herbert Wilf's
"Algorithms and Complexity".  He's a professor at Penn, and my class
were the guinea pigs as he was finishing it up.  He published it
shortly after the term ended, and it reads a lot like his lectures.

Wilf has the entire pdf of his book online at
http://www.math.upenn.edu/%7Ewilf/AlgComp3.html, so you can skim
through it if you'd like.  It might be good to see the basic concepts
explained in a slightly different way.

> > I suppose it's also possible that your math's gotten a little rusty.
> > I know mine was when I started back at Drexel.  I still feel behind
> > some of the recent grads.
> 
> That's one of the reasons I'm going back and revisiting some of my
> maths.  I worked through a complex analysis book this pass summer and
> the book I'm reading has me all hopped up to learn modern (abstract)
> algebra. But none of that has to do with analyzing algorithms!

Abstract algebra's very cool, but it doesn't seem to come up very
often in analyzing algorithms.

Walt

From fiedlert at gmail.com  Thu Sep  6 19:00:20 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2007 22:00:20 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
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This may have been posted here before, but

http://www.math.gatech.edu/~cain/textbooks/onlinebooks.html

is a fairly good resource for 'free as in beer' math books.

Ted
On 9/6/07, Walt Mankowski <waltman at pobox.com> wrote:
>
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:16:06PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> > On 05/09/07 23:28 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> > > On Wed, Sep 05, 2007 at 10:49:58PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> > > Sorry, I've never read Concrete Mathematics.  About all I know about
> > > it is that it's printed in an odd boxy font that Knuth created just
> > > for that book.  I skimmed through it in Drexel's library just to look
> > > at it.  I think it's ugly. :)
> >
> > That explains the look!  I've got a copy from a Japanese publisher and
> > thought it looked... dated.
>
> Yes, it's a weird font.  Everything else I've seen published by him
> uses Computer Modern, so I wonder if maybe he didn't like it either.
>
> > > Offhand I'd think that if you could handle the math you see getting a
> > > BS/MS in EE, you could handle anything Knuth would throw at you.  But
> > > maybe not.  Comp Sci math tends to focus on different things than what
> > > real engineers do.  Stuff like Jacobians, gradiants, and other
> > > calculus things show up in subfields like computer vision, but not so
> > > much in analyzing algorithms.
> >
> > I think that's my problem.  As an example, in CM, they're analyzing "the
> > Jospehus prolem" which is analyzing an algorithm and it all seems murky
> > to me. They make a couple of leaps that I can't work through. It's
> > almost as if I'm missing something basic.
>
> Hmm...maybe I'll check it out of the library tomorrow and see what's
> going on.
>
> The book I (sort of) used as an undergrad is Herbert Wilf's
> "Algorithms and Complexity".  He's a professor at Penn, and my class
> were the guinea pigs as he was finishing it up.  He published it
> shortly after the term ended, and it reads a lot like his lectures.
>
> Wilf has the entire pdf of his book online at
> http://www.math.upenn.edu/%7Ewilf/AlgComp3.html, so you can skim
> through it if you'd like.  It might be good to see the basic concepts
> explained in a slightly different way.
>
> > > I suppose it's also possible that your math's gotten a little rusty.
> > > I know mine was when I started back at Drexel.  I still feel behind
> > > some of the recent grads.
> >
> > That's one of the reasons I'm going back and revisiting some of my
> > maths.  I worked through a complex analysis book this pass summer and
> > the book I'm reading has me all hopped up to learn modern (abstract)
> > algebra. But none of that has to do with analyzing algorithms!
>
> Abstract algebra's very cool, but it doesn't seem to come up very
> often in analyzing algorithms.
>
> Walt
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From waltman at pobox.com  Mon Sep 10 07:10:45 2007
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 10:10:45 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
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On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:32:07PM -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 06, 2007 at 09:16:06PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> > I think that's my problem.  As an example, in CM, they're analyzing "the
> > Jospehus prolem" which is analyzing an algorithm and it all seems murky
> > to me. They make a couple of leaps that I can't work through. It's
> > almost as if I'm missing something basic.
> 
> Hmm...maybe I'll check it out of the library tomorrow and see what's
> going on.

Well, I now have obtained a copy of CM.  It's the first edition, so if
you have the second I suppose it might be a little different.  I read
through most of the first chapter and I think it's quite good.  In
fact, I might be tempted to buy a copy if it wasn't quite so
expensive.

Anyway, I think I followed most of their analysis of the Josephus
Problem.  If you could point out what you didn't follow, I'll see if I
can explain it.

Walt

From faber at linuxnj.com  Mon Sep 10 19:16:59 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:16:59 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
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On 10/09/07 10:10 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> Well, I now have obtained a copy of CM.  It's the first edition, so if
> you have the second I suppose it might be a little different.  

Yep, mine's the second edition.

> I read
> through most of the first chapter and I think it's quite good.  In
> fact, I might be tempted to buy a copy if it wasn't quite so
> expensive.

I forget what I paid for mine, but it was relatively inexpensive; I
jumped at it once I saw the price.

I was quite surprised to see a Japanese title on the front cover, three
pages of introduction(?) and a Japanese index.
 
> Anyway, I think I followed most of their analysis of the Josephus
> Problem.  If you could point out what you didn't follow, I'll see if I
> can explain it.

I just dug out my copy.  I'll look it over tomorrow, refresh my memory
and get back to you on it.

BTW, was your undergraduate in CompSci?

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Mon Sep 10 19:19:06 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2007 22:19:06 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
In-Reply-To: <814422ce0709061900p3addbd2fpdf0538212c01b82c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>
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	<814422ce0709061900p3addbd2fpdf0538212c01b82c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070911021906.GB10210@neptune.faber.nom>

On 06/09/07 22:00 -0400, Ted Fiedler wrote:
> This may have been posted here before, but
> 
> http://www.math.gatech.edu/~cain/textbooks/onlinebooks.html
> 
> is a fairly good resource for 'free as in beer' math books.

There looks to be some fun stuff in there.  Thanks!

Now if I can find the time to read them all...


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From waltman at pobox.com  Tue Sep 11 06:02:06 2007
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Tue, 11 Sep 2007 09:02:06 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
In-Reply-To: <20070911021659.GA10210@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070906032833.GG11552@mawode.com>
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	<20070911021659.GA10210@neptune.faber.nom>
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On Mon, Sep 10, 2007 at 10:16:59PM -0400, Faber J. Fedor wrote:
> I forget what I paid for mine, but it was relatively inexpensive; I
> jumped at it once I saw the price.
> 
> I was quite surprised to see a Japanese title on the front cover, three
> pages of introduction(?) and a Japanese index.

That probably explains the lower price. :)

> I just dug out my copy.  I'll look it over tomorrow, refresh my memory
> and get back to you on it.
> 
> BTW, was your undergraduate in CompSci?

I started as a CompSci major, but I ended up switching and graduating
with a degree in Math.

Walt

From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Mon Sep 17 19:25:08 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2007 22:25:08 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] pittsburgh - travel arrangements?
Message-ID: <20070918022508.GA17906@knight.manxome.org>


So, John has informed me that we've got a hotel room.  We're both confirmed to
speak, so we're basically definitely *going*. :)

Who else is in?  Ted, I think I saw you on the list.

John is flying.  Sheesh!

Ted, are you still driving in a spacious vehicle with seating for rjbs?

I need to get my slides ready...

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Tue Sep 18 18:33:54 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:33:54 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] pittsburgh - travel arrangements?
In-Reply-To: <20070918022508.GA17906@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070918022508.GA17906@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070919013354.GA10266@neptune.faber.nom>

On 17/09/07 22:25 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> 
> So, John has informed me that we've got a hotel room.  We're both confirmed to
> speak, so we're basically definitely *going*. :)
> 
> Who else is in?  Ted, I think I saw you on the list.

I'm on the list as of today.

> Ted, are you still driving in a spacious vehicle with seating for rjbs?

I'll offer a lift to anyone.  I'm stopping by my home town (Johnstown, PA) before
and after the event.  So if anyone needs a lift and doesn't mind hanging
out in a dead steel town for a coupla' days...

Nah, I didn't think so either. :-)


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From faber at linuxnj.com  Tue Sep 18 18:35:13 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:35:13 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
In-Reply-To: <20070910141045.GE23848@mawode.com>
References: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>
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	<20070907011606.GB24847@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070907013207.GP11552@mawode.com>
	<20070910141045.GE23848@mawode.com>
Message-ID: <20070919013513.GB10266@neptune.faber.nom>

On 10/09/07 10:10 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> Anyway, I think I followed most of their analysis of the Josephus
> Problem.  If you could point out what you didn't follow, I'll see if I
> can explain it.

FYI: I've been carrying around my copy of CM hoping to get some time to
go over it again.  Maybe I'll get it re-read in time for PGH. :-)

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Tue Sep 18 18:48:32 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 21:48:32 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Concrete Mathematics (a.k.a. Yo, Walt!)
In-Reply-To: <20070919013513.GB10266@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070906024958.GB17114@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070906032833.GG11552@mawode.com>
	<20070907011606.GB24847@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070907013207.GP11552@mawode.com>
	<20070910141045.GE23848@mawode.com>
	<20070919013513.GB10266@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <20070919014832.GA895@knight.manxome.org>

* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-18T21:35:13]
> On 10/09/07 10:10 -0400, Walt Mankowski wrote:
> > Anyway, I think I followed most of their analysis of the Josephus
> > Problem.  If you could point out what you didn't follow, I'll see if I
> > can explain it.
> 
> FYI: I've been carrying around my copy of CM hoping to get some time to
> go over it again.  Maybe I'll get it re-read in time for PGH. :-)

I realized that I have a copy of CM, too, and should read it... but probably
won't.

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From fiedlert at gmail.com  Wed Sep 19 10:13:59 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Wed, 19 Sep 2007 13:13:59 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] pittsburgh - travel arrangements?
In-Reply-To: <20070918022508.GA17906@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070918022508.GA17906@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <814422ce0709191013s5ed266a7m113d8d1e28706651@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/17/07, Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org> wrote:
>
>
> So, John has informed me that we've got a hotel room.  We're both
> confirmed to
> speak, so we're basically definitely *going*. :)
>
> Who else is in?  Ted, I think I saw you on the list.



I was on the list but $bigBossMan has decided otherwise.  I thought about
footing the bill myself, but w/ a large landscaping job in the works... So
now in addition to landscaping and not going to Pittsburgh in October I
think im looking for a new $job.


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From faber at linuxnj.com  Sun Sep 23 06:52:31 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 09:52:31 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Card game name
Message-ID: <20070923135231.GA8822@neptune.faber.nom>


What was that card game we played at YAPC Houston?  I couldn't find it
at the local comic book store under the names I rememebered.


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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Sun Sep 23 11:58:07 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Sun, 23 Sep 2007 14:58:07 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Card game name
In-Reply-To: <20070923135231.GA8822@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070923135231.GA8822@neptune.faber.nom>
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* "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-23T09:52:31]
> What was that card game we played at YAPC Houston?  I couldn't find it
> at the local comic book store under the names I rememebered.

The Great Dalmooti.

See also "Fluxx," which we dind't play, but which rocks.

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From waltman at pobox.com  Mon Sep 24 04:57:19 2007
From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski)
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 07:57:19 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] Card game name
In-Reply-To: <20070923185807.GA2420@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070923135231.GA8822@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070923185807.GA2420@knight.manxome.org>
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On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 02:58:07PM -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-23T09:52:31]
> > What was that card game we played at YAPC Houston?  I couldn't find it
> > at the local comic book store under the names I rememebered.
> 
> The Great Dalmooti.

It's spelled "Dalmuti".  I've never seen it in a store, either.  This
page says it was reprinted in 2005:

http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/pr20050119a

so maybe it's still out there in some game stores.  Of course, you can
easily make your own Dalmuti deck using 3 standard decks of cards.

> See also "Fluxx," which we dind't play, but which rocks.

Fluxx should be much easier to find.

Walt

From rGeoffrey at PlatypiVentures.com  Wed Sep 26 21:03:03 2007
From: rGeoffrey at PlatypiVentures.com (R. Geoffrey Avery)
Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 23:03:03 -0500
Subject: [ABE.pm] Card game name
In-Reply-To: <20070924115719.GL2189@mawode.com>
References: <20070923135231.GA8822@neptune.faber.nom>
	<20070923185807.GA2420@knight.manxome.org>
	<20070924115719.GL2189@mawode.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20070926225415.0277a530@mail.PlatypiVentures.com>

For information on these and other games look at the YAPC::EU wiki 
page http://vienna.yapceurope.org/ye2007/wiki?node=BoardGamesBOF.

I have seen the Great Dalmuti recently in a store in King of Prussia 
and I think I saw it at my local mall.  If anyone wants I could go 
shopping and bring them to Pittsburgh for you to collect.

- Geoff



At 06:57 AM 9/24/2007, Walt Mankowski wrote:
>On Sun, Sep 23, 2007 at 02:58:07PM -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> > * "Faber J. Fedor" <faber at linuxnj.com> [2007-09-23T09:52:31]
> > > What was that card game we played at YAPC Houston?  I couldn't find it
> > > at the local comic book store under the names I rememebered.
> >
> > The Great Dalmooti.
>
>It's spelled "Dalmuti".  I've never seen it in a store, either.  This
>page says it was reprinted in 2005:
>
>http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=ah/article/pr20050119a
>
>so maybe it's still out there in some game stores.  Of course, you can
>easily make your own Dalmuti deck using 3 standard decks of cards.
>
> > See also "Fluxx," which we dind't play, but which rocks.
>
>Fluxx should be much easier to find.
>
>Walt
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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Thu Sep 27 03:52:59 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 06:52:59 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] abe.pm social meeting, oct 3
Message-ID: <20070927105259.GA32767@zodiac.codesimply.com>


A week from yesterday, beer and burgers at Gute.  Sound gute?

I really hope I have my slides done by then...

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Thu Sep 27 08:33:09 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:33:09 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] abe.pm social meeting, oct 3
In-Reply-To: <20070927105259.GA32767@zodiac.codesimply.com>
References: <20070927105259.GA32767@zodiac.codesimply.com>
Message-ID: <20070927153309.GA773@knight.manxome.org>

* Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org> [2007-09-27T06:52:59]
> A week from yesterday, beer and burgers at Gute.  Sound gute?

You know what?  What about McGrady's?  I really want some really hot wings
again.

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Sep 27 08:44:50 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 11:44:50 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] DBI error?
Message-ID: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>

I don't think this is actually Perl related, but I'm running out of
ideas.

I've upgraded a system from RHEL 3 to CentOS 5. In testing my code, I
attempt to connect to my shiny new MySQL 5.0 database and I get the
error

DBI connect('nycadb_qa','nycadb',...) failed: Can't connect to local
MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at
/home/sqa/libs/nycadb.pm line 154

The problem is /var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock is NOT my socket file,
/data/mysql/mysql.sock is.  

I can connect to the database just fine via the command-line client,
the setting in /etc/my.cnf is 

[mysqld]
datadir=/data/mysql
socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock

and

[root at bkp-qa mysql]# mysqladmin --print-defaults
mysqladmin would have been started with the following arguments:
--port=3306 --socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock --port=3306 --socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock

Nowhere in my code do I specify the socket to connect to.

WTF?

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Sep 27 09:37:01 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:37:01 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] abe.pm social meeting, oct 3
In-Reply-To: <20070927153309.GA773@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070927105259.GA32767@zodiac.codesimply.com>
	<20070927153309.GA773@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070927163701.GD30753@neptune.faber.nom>

On 27/09/07 11:33 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org> [2007-09-27T06:52:59]
> > A week from yesterday, beer and burgers at Gute.  Sound gute?
> 
> You know what?  What about McGrady's?  I really want some really hot wings
> again.

I thought McGrady's delivered?

It worked for Jeff Spicoli!

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From fiedlert at gmail.com  Thu Sep 27 09:38:23 2007
From: fiedlert at gmail.com (Ted Fiedler)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:38:23 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] DBI error?
In-Reply-To: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>
References: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>
Message-ID: <814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>

>
> DBI connect('nycadb_qa','nycadb',...) failed: Can't connect to local
> MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at
> /home/sqa/libs/nycadb.pm line 154



DBI->conect("DBI:mysql:host=localhost:mysql_socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock")

Is what I believe you need.


Ted

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Sep 27 09:57:47 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:57:47 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] DBI error?
In-Reply-To: <814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>
	<814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070927165747.GE30753@neptune.faber.nom>

On 27/09/07 12:38 -0400, Ted Fiedler wrote:
> >
> > DBI connect('nycadb_qa','nycadb',...) failed: Can't connect to local
> > MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at
> > /home/sqa/libs/nycadb.pm line 154
> 
> 
> 
> DBI->conect("DBI:mysql:host=localhost:mysql_socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock")
> 
> Is what I believe you need.


That will (probably) work, but why do I need to do it now and didn't
need to do it before?  It should Just Work, no?


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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Thu Sep 27 10:00:12 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:00:12 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] DBI error?
In-Reply-To: <814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>
	<814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20070927170012.GA2281@knight.manxome.org>

* Ted Fiedler <fiedlert at gmail.com> [2007-09-27T12:38:23]
> > DBI connect('nycadb_qa','nycadb',...) failed: Can't connect to local
> > MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at
> > /home/sqa/libs/nycadb.pm line 154
> 
> DBI->conect("DBI:mysql:host=localhost:mysql_socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock")

Yup, faced this myself many times.

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Sep 27 11:09:27 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:09:27 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] DBI error?
In-Reply-To: <20070927170012.GA2281@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>
	<814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070927170012.GA2281@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070927180927.GB31357@neptune.faber.nom>

On 27/09/07 13:00 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * Ted Fiedler <fiedlert at gmail.com> [2007-09-27T12:38:23]
> > > DBI connect('nycadb_qa','nycadb',...) failed: Can't connect to local
> > > MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at
> > > /home/sqa/libs/nycadb.pm line 154
> > 
> > DBI->conect("DBI:mysql:host=localhost:mysql_socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock")
> 
> Yup, faced this myself many times.

Nah, there's something else going on.  I added that to my DSN and I get
the error that it can't connect to /data/mysql/mysql.sock.

Yes, the socket exists with the proper permissions.

Hmmm...

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From faber at linuxnj.com  Thu Sep 27 11:13:21 2007
From: faber at linuxnj.com (Faber J. Fedor)
Date: Thu, 27 Sep 2007 14:13:21 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] DBI error?
In-Reply-To: <20070927170012.GA2281@knight.manxome.org>
References: <20070927154450.GA30753@neptune.faber.nom>
	<814422ce0709270938k5321b666l754104e8fa233edb@mail.gmail.com>
	<20070927170012.GA2281@knight.manxome.org>
Message-ID: <20070927181321.GC31357@neptune.faber.nom>

On 27/09/07 13:00 -0400, Ricardo SIGNES wrote:
> * Ted Fiedler <fiedlert at gmail.com> [2007-09-27T12:38:23]
> > > DBI connect('nycadb_qa','nycadb',...) failed: Can't connect to local
> > > MySQL server through socket '/var/lib/mysql/mysql.sock' (2) at
> > > /home/sqa/libs/nycadb.pm line 154
> > 
> > DBI->conect("DBI:mysql:host=localhost:mysql_socket=/data/mysql/mysql.sock")
> 
> Yup, faced this myself many times.

I've got it working now (had the socket name in double quotes).

But why the change in behaviour...?

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From rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org  Sun Sep 30 18:20:27 2007
From: rjbs-perl-abe at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Sun, 30 Sep 2007 21:20:27 -0400
Subject: [ABE.pm] when mysql bites
Message-ID: <20071001012027.GA5699@knight.cable.rcn.com>


I mentioned this article to Tom, recenty.  It's sad and funny:

  http://use.perl.org/~Smylers/journal/34246

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