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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">It has been absolutely fantastic meeting so many of you. This was my first YAPC.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">While I’ve really enjoyed the open discussion on this list, this thread has been disappointing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> yapc [mailto:yapc-bounces+cmillard=athenahealth.com@pm.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Matt Finkel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 06, 2013 1:14 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> John Haugeland<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Portland Perl Mongers; yapc@pm.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Amazing coffee for YAPC::NA peeps<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This is getting ridiculous. I'm saddened to see adults act like children, especially after such an amazing conference. I'm embarrassed for our community when we act this way.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">In what way is that constructive? </span>The mailing list clearly has problems (I'm not happy with the SNR either), and as previously stated, they will be addressed next year.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">We all heard Larry's talk. Pointless bickering spits in the face of what he was getting at. Respect one another. *This shouldn't be so difficult.*<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 1:00 PM, John Haugeland <<a href="mailto:john@crowdtilt.com" target="_blank">john@crowdtilt.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At no point did I give permission to be spammed by conference sponsors. It is not for the conference to allow people to send sales messages to my work email. This is also a violation of CAN-SPAM.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please remove me from this email list.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:57 AM, jerry gay <<a href="mailto:jerry.gay@gmail.com" target="_blank">jerry.gay@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>brewpony is a Sponsor of yapc this year. certainly one of the points of sponsorship is to market products and services to attendees. that relationship should not need to be explicitly defined. i find it difficult to imagine anyone could reasonably think
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Jun 6, 2013 12:46 PM, "John Haugeland" <<a href="mailto:john@crowdtilt.com" target="_blank">john@crowdtilt.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Respectfully, the email I'm discussing is a sales offer for coffee by mail order, and had nothing to do with the conference.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I wish to participate in discussions. I simply don't want spam.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 10:44 AM, Todd Rinaldo <<a href="mailto:toddr@cpanel.net" target="_blank">toddr@cpanel.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">On Jun 6, 2013, at 12:37 PM, John Haugeland <<a href="mailto:john@crowdtilt.com" target="_blank">john@crowdtilt.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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> List admins, please state rules regarding whether people may use your system to spam your participants.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">John,<br>
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This list is and will remain a place where folks can chat about the conference and miscellaneous other topics. There is too much history on this list that makes it impractical to change that.<br>
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An announce only list will be created for next year for those who do not wish to participate in discussions but would still like to know about official organizer / TPF announcements.<br>
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