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Brad,<br>
<br>
I really hope you will come. I'll buy you a beer (or two). "Ignore
the man behind the curtain!" as was said in the Wizard of Oz (who
turns out in the end to be a really great guy, once he comes out
from behind the curtain/mailing list).<br>
<br>
Sometimes there is butting of heads (ramming of horns) among this
gang of brilliant and eccentric geeks, but in my experience it's
rarely over personalities or pride. It's about the merits of a
particular idea, proposition or piece of code. The ability to care
passionately about something that affects a community, pulling as
hard as you can on your end of the rope while the sweat stings your
eyes and your heels get dirty and skinned on the grass, is actually
refreshing in these days when image and popularity usually obscure a
lively debate on the merits.<br>
<br>
You'll enjoy it. Push back. You already have, actually, and I think
you make a good point.<br>
<br>
Dave Baker<br>
<br>
On 5/25/2012 2:51 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
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cite="mid:CAN+Wnj2PCVWU0JZZCg9a5+jQEKWGHE9u4qVj3an+xLm0w4PkDA@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">It's fine.<br>
<br>
It was harsh of me to engage in ad hominem, especially without
knowing you.<br>
<br>
I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have
discussed it with the organizers several times. <br>
<br>
It's the same sort of bickering and attitude that prevented people
in the bad old days from picking up Perl, because that's the sort
of help they were likely to get asking questions in lists.<br>
<br>
I have decided that this attitude makes the conference less useful
for me. Where I had planned to attend (yes, for the first time),
give two talks, sponsor a couple folks, etc., I have now decided
to not attend at all. If that's the intended point of these
rants, well, they have hit their mark.<br>
<br>
I wish you all the best,<br>
I will not post to this list again.<br>
/bda<br>
<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Matt S
Trout <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:mst@shadowcatsystems.co.uk" target="_blank">mst@shadowcatsystems.co.uk</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, May
25, 2012 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Bradley Andersen wrote:<br>
> This thread is _not_ spam?<br>
<br>
This thread is an attempt to correct a decision that has led
to this list<br>
not being full of relevant and useful discussion, but rather a
wasteland of<br>
broadcasts by the organisers and the occasional plaintive
missive from me<br>
trying to get the community to be given a chance to actually
be involved.<br>
<br>
I'm sorry if it annoys you.<br>
<br>
I wish there was no such thread to be had.<br>
<br>
However, there is, and until the organisers make at least
*some* attempt to<br>
correct the problem it's likely going to keep running whether
I continue to<br>
post to it or not.<br>
<br>
Those of us who have been to previous YAPCs are painfully
aware of what we're<br>
missing here. I'm not sure I can explain it if you haven't
been part of it.<br>
<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
--<br>
Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a
commit bit and a clue<br>
<br>
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href="http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/"
target="_blank">http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/</a>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/</a><br>
<br>
Email me now on mst (at) <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://shadowcat.co.uk" target="_blank">shadowcat.co.uk</a>
and let's chat about how our Catalyst<br>
commercial support, training and consultancy packages
could help your team.<br>
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