From jkeenan at pobox.com Wed May 20 13:19:17 2020 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 16:19:17 -0400 Subject: Register for Conference in the Cloud Message-ID: <09dcb31e-955b-adc7-1680-7981c796977f@pobox.com> Friends, Round about this time of the year, back when Reality was Real and not just Virtual, this mailing list would be heating up with meta-discussion of the June /(?:YA|T)PC::NA::(?:19|20)\d{2}/ conference. Alas, this year we're stuck with the merely virtual Conference in the Cloud (https://tpc20cic.sched.com/) running from Wednesday June 24 through Friday June 26 (with tutorials on Saturday June 27). But that doesn't mean we can't talk trash on this mailing list. So let me kick things off with three separate posts. First of three posts: First, the pitch to attend. The registration is only $10! For those of you in the U.S. that's only 0.83% of the $1,200 check with Donald J. Trump's name on it that you're still waiting for! How can you not afford to register? Register at: https://www.eventbrite.com/e/conference-in-the-cloud-a-perl-raku-conference-tickets-103163865900 Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From darren at darrenduncan.net Wed May 20 17:22:11 2020 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 17:22:11 -0700 Subject: Register for Conference in the Cloud In-Reply-To: <09dcb31e-955b-adc7-1680-7981c796977f@pobox.com> References: <09dcb31e-955b-adc7-1680-7981c796977f@pobox.com> Message-ID: <84e54f13-b050-a301-a21e-81f108e9ad84@darrenduncan.net> While not meeting in person is unfortunate, a great thing about this pandemic is it suddenly made a lot of conferences orders of magnitude more accessible. No need for the great time and expense of traveling. As such my attending this YAPC was a no-brainer, just signed up. I was last at one in 2012 and under normal having-to-travel circumstances wouldn't have expected to go to one until at least another year or several from now. -- Darren Duncan On 2020-05-20 1:19 p.m., James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > Friends, > > Round about this time of the year, back when Reality was Real and not just > Virtual, this mailing list would be heating up with meta-discussion of the June > /(?:YA|T)PC::NA::(?:19|20)\d{2}/ conference.? Alas, this year we're stuck with > the merely virtual Conference in the Cloud (https://tpc20cic.sched.com/) running > from Wednesday June 24 through Friday June 26 (with tutorials on Saturday June 27). > > But that doesn't mean we can't talk trash on this mailing list.? So let me kick > things off with three separate posts. > > First of three posts: > > First, the pitch to attend.? The registration is only $10!? For those of you in > the U.S. that's only 0.83% of the $1,200 check with Donald J. Trump's name on it > that you're still waiting for!? How can you not afford to register? > > Register at: > https://www.eventbrite.com/e/conference-in-the-cloud-a-perl-raku-conference-tickets-103163865900 > > > Thank you very much. > Jim Keenan From tom at tomlegrady.com Wed May 20 17:23:31 2020 From: tom at tomlegrady.com (Tom Legrady) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 20:23:31 -0400 Subject: Register for Conference in the Cloud In-Reply-To: <09dcb31e-955b-adc7-1680-7981c796977f@pobox.com> References: <09dcb31e-955b-adc7-1680-7981c796977f@pobox.com> Message-ID: And discussions of whether we can get Damion to make a Toronto visit On 2020-05-20 4:19 p.m., James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > Round about this time of the year, ... this mailing list would be > heating up with meta-discussion of the June ... conference. -- Tom Legrady my pronouns : he, him Tom at TomLegrady.com legrady at gmail.com tom.legrady at edu.uwaterloo.ca 416-948-0497 #49 - 26 Poplar Drive Cambridge, Ontario, N3C 4A3 ============================================================ From jkeenan at pobox.com Fri May 22 09:35:18 2020 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 12:35:18 -0400 Subject: Arrival Dinners in the Cloud Message-ID: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> Second of three posts: An essential part of the meta-discussion on this list in past years has been the meta-high-point of any YAPC: the Arrivals Dinner. Originally and often organized by Uri -- and occasionally by me -- this was an event where we would march en masse from the conference hotel or location to a local restaurant for burgers and beer. Of course, this being Perl, TIMTOWTDI prevailed; some would march en masse with autarch for a vegan fest at the Alt-Arrivals Dinner. And some years things really got out of hand with an Alt-Alt-Arrivals Dinner. Not possible this year. But perhaps there are some amongst us foolhardy enough to organize Virtual Arrivals Dinners! Now, I'm not proposing one Zoom thingee with 20, 30 or more participants like a Real Arrivals Dinner. I'm proposing a set of Zoom (or other technology) meetings of smaller numbers -- dinner party-size, perhaps -- that could go on somewhat simultaneously and that would enable people to drop-in and chat. The various elements of this set could be organized along thematic lines: cuisine; choice of beer; native language. Or they could be completely free and use global variables. Such meetings would take place on the evening of Tuesday, June 23 -- where the value of "evening" is that of the person who actually does the work of getting the online meeting going. If you're hosting such a dinner, you can choose how many people may be in attendance at any one time. Perhaps you can host more than one seating. Remember: the meta-conference side of YAPC/TPC/CiC is entirely volunteer-run. So if this sounds like a good idea and you want to make it happen, please step forward! Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From lembark at wrkhors.com Mon May 25 19:20:30 2020 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 21:20:30 -0500 Subject: Arrival Dinners in the Cloud In-Reply-To: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> References: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> Message-ID: <20200525212030.7d03e72e.lembark@wrkhors.com> On Fri, 22 May 2020 12:35:18 -0400 James E Keenan via yapc wrote: Some of us are *always* foolhardy. -- Steven Lembark Workhorse Computing lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From jkeenan at pobox.com Tue May 26 04:57:50 2020 From: jkeenan at pobox.com (James E Keenan) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 07:57:50 -0400 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology Message-ID: Third of three posts: If you're like me, at this point in the pandemic you're reaching your breaking point with online meetings and online meetings technology. Alas, that's what we're stuck with for the Conference in the Cloud (https://perlconference.us/tpc-2020-cloud/). By now, some of us have experienced the joys and sorrows of *presenting* in online meetings. I'd like to encourage some discussion of those experiences so that we can have a less painful experience during CiC next month. Specifically, I want to talk about slides. On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over Zoom and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh rate of those slides is much slower than what you would normally desire. Hence, you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or within) slides than you would if you were plugging your laptop into a conference-quality data projector. Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this is not limited to Zoom.) Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my normal fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the font, font size and background color need to be chosen more carefully than usual. What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in slides and in terminal? Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From tmurray at wumpus-cave.net Tue May 26 05:14:16 2020 From: tmurray at wumpus-cave.net (Timm Murray) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 07:14:16 -0500 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: One little thing I found: you don't know if your jokes are landing. If everyone else is doing it right, they'll be on mute, so you don't get audible feedback on anything. You might have dropped a cringe-bomb and wouldn't know it. On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 6:58 AM James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > Third of three posts: > > If you're like me, at this point in the pandemic you're reaching your > breaking point with online meetings and online meetings technology. > Alas, that's what we're stuck with for the Conference in the Cloud > (https://perlconference.us/tpc-2020-cloud/). > > By now, some of us have experienced the joys and sorrows of *presenting* > in online meetings. I'd like to encourage some discussion of those > experiences so that we can have a less painful experience during CiC > next month. > > Specifically, I want to talk about slides. > > On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over Zoom > and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh rate of > those slides is much slower than what you would normally desire. Hence, > you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or within) slides than > you would if you were plugging your laptop into a conference-quality > data projector. > > Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this is > not limited to Zoom.) > > Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best > over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my normal > fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the font, font > size and background color need to be chosen more carefully than usual. > > What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in > slides and in terminal? > > Thank you very much. > Jim Keenan > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From waltman at pobox.com Tue May 26 06:43:00 2020 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 09:43:00 -0400 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200526134300.GA259171@mawode.com> On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 07:57:50AM -0400, James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best over > Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my normal fonts in > my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the font, font size and > background color need to be chosen more carefully than usual. I haven't presented over Zoom yet but I've watched a bunch of presentations. I think you can get away with smaller fonts than you'd use at an in-person meeting. A mistake many people make is that they assume that since the fonts look fine to them when they're sitting in front of a monitor, they'll also look find to someone sitting in the 10th row. But for an online presentation pretty everyone in your audience will also be sitting in front of a monitor. You should probably avoid really tiny fonts and low-contrast colors, but the margin of error is much greater. Walt From mconrad at intellitree.com Tue May 26 07:36:17 2020 From: mconrad at intellitree.com (Michael Conrad) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 14:36:17 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <83c56a57-3a9f-94c7-f597-72cef052b8b6@intellitree.com> On 5/26/2020 7:57 AM, James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > Also, slide layout and typography:? What have people found works best > over Zoom?? My impression so far is that I can get away with my normal > fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the font, > font size and background color need to be chosen more carefully than > usual. > > What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in > slides and in terminal? I'm not presenting this year, but the WebSocket slide technology I invented for last year's talk would be a great way to give people a high quality view of slides.? It's a long ways from being ready for public consumption, but if someone wants to attempt using it I'd be happy to advise. https://github.com/nrdvana/wide-world-of-websockets/tree/master/slides -Mike From gjb at sonic.net Tue May 26 17:59:32 2020 From: gjb at sonic.net (Geoffrey Broadwell) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 17:59:32 -0700 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: <20200526134300.GA259171@mawode.com> References: <20200526134300.GA259171@mawode.com> Message-ID: On 2020-05-26 06:43, Walt Mankowski via yapc wrote: > On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 07:57:50AM -0400, James E Keenan via yapc > wrote: > >> Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best >> over >> Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my normal >> fonts in >> my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the font, font size >> and >> background color need to be chosen more carefully than usual. > > I haven't presented over Zoom yet but I've watched a bunch of > presentations. I think you can get away with smaller fonts than you'd > use at an in-person meeting. A mistake many people make is that they > assume that since the fonts look fine to them when they're sitting in > front of a monitor, they'll also look find to someone sitting in the > 10th row. But for an online presentation pretty everyone in your > audience will also be sitting in front of a monitor. > > You should probably avoid really tiny fonts and low-contrast colors, > but the margin of error is much greater. Not necessarily true (that the margin of error is greater), for a somewhat non-obvious reason: Fonts are not usually designed to look good at regular sizes after heavy lossy compression (which is often used in VC software even for presenting computer screens). Sometimes font sizes that are quite readable directly on a display, or when passed through lossless or low-loss compression such as PNG or high-quality JPEG, are darned near unreadable on VC -- especially if the VC software decides to send the presentation stream significantly downsampled from the native screen resolution (or worse, one of the viewers is on a poor connection and gets further downsampled even from the main stream in which case your local picture-in-picture of your outgoing stream will not represent the mess that they are receiving). Thus I often find it necessary to expand font sizes for everyday VC as much or more than I would use when presenting in a decent-sized physical meeting room. (Though admittedly not as much as I would use to present to a large auditorium.) Also, the advice to avoid low contrast definitely holds. VC compression often trashes color as well, especially very dark, light, or muted colors, and things that are hard to see on a low-quality physical projector (washing out, or making color-blindness perception issues even worse) can be just as bad on VC. From toddr at cpanel.net Tue May 26 20:34:48 2020 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Tue, 26 May 2020 22:34:48 -0500 Subject: Arrival Dinners in the Cloud In-Reply-To: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> References: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> Message-ID: <6FF6CC9B-2F7E-42D3-8A89-7277E85DD598@cpanel.net> > On May 22, 2020, at 11:35 AM, James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > > Second of three posts: > > An essential part of the meta-discussion on this list in past years has been the meta-high-point of any YAPC: the Arrivals Dinner. > > Originally and often organized by Uri -- and occasionally by me -- this was an event where we would march en masse from the conference hotel or location to a local restaurant for burgers and beer. > > Of course, this being Perl, TIMTOWTDI prevailed; some would march en masse with autarch for a vegan fest at the Alt-Arrivals Dinner. And some years things really got out of hand with an Alt-Alt-Arrivals Dinner. > > Not possible this year. But perhaps there are some amongst us foolhardy enough to organize Virtual Arrivals Dinners! > > Now, I'm not proposing one Zoom thingee with 20, 30 or more participants like a Real Arrivals Dinner. I'm proposing a set of Zoom (or other technology) meetings of smaller numbers -- dinner party-size, perhaps -- that could go on somewhat simultaneously and that would enable people to drop-in and chat. The various elements of this set could be organized along thematic lines: cuisine; choice of beer; native language. Or they could be completely free and use global variables. > > Such meetings would take place on the evening of Tuesday, June 23 -- where the value of "evening" is that of the person who actually does the work of getting the online meeting going. If you're hosting such a dinner, you can choose how many people may be in attendance at any one time. Perhaps you can host more than one seating. > > Remember: the meta-conference side of YAPC/TPC/CiC is entirely volunteer-run. So if this sounds like a good idea and you want to make it happen, please step forward! > I am happy to fire up 1 or more zoom sessions for the "arrival zoom" and of course the obligatory "anti-arrival zoom" if folks want to organize it. I think a hang out would be a good way to start things out! We would do this on Tuesday right? what time? I can put it on the schedule! Todd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And some years things really got out of hand with an Alt-Alt-Arrivals Dinner. >> >> Not possible this year. But perhaps there are some amongst us foolhardy enough to organize Virtual Arrivals Dinners! >> >> Now, I'm not proposing one Zoom thingee with 20, 30 or more participants like a Real Arrivals Dinner. I'm proposing a set of Zoom (or other technology) meetings of smaller numbers -- dinner party-size, perhaps -- that could go on somewhat simultaneously and that would enable people to drop-in and chat. The various elements of this set could be organized along thematic lines: cuisine; choice of beer; native language. Or they could be completely free and use global variables. >> >> Such meetings would take place on the evening of Tuesday, June 23 -- where the value of "evening" is that of the person who actually does the work of getting the online meeting going. If you're hosting such a dinner, you can choose how many people may be in attendance at any one time. Perhaps you can host more than one seating. >> >> Remember: the meta-conference side of YAPC/TPC/CiC is entirely volunteer-run. So if this sounds like a good idea and you want to make it happen, please step forward! >> > > I am happy to fire up 1 or more zoom sessions for the "arrival zoom" and of course the obligatory "anti-arrival zoom" if folks want to organize it. I think a hang out would be a good way to start things out! > > We would do this on Tuesday right? what time? I can put it on the schedule! > How about 7:00 pm EDT, 6:00 pm CDT. jimk From xsawyerx at cpan.org Wed May 27 04:39:08 2020 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 14:39:08 +0300 Subject: Arrival Dinners in the Cloud In-Reply-To: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> References: <99100eda-bc74-f547-bc28-867225b5c344@pobox.com> Message-ID: On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 7:35 PM James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > > [...] > Now, I'm not proposing one Zoom thingee with 20, 30 or more participants > like a Real Arrivals Dinner. I'm proposing a set of Zoom (or other > technology) meetings of smaller numbers -- dinner party-size, perhaps -- > that could go on somewhat simultaneously and that would enable people to > drop-in and chat. The various elements of this set could be organized > along thematic lines: cuisine; choice of beer; native language. Or > they could be completely free and use global variables. > > Such meetings would take place on the evening of Tuesday, June 23 -- > where the value of "evening" is that of the person who actually does the > work of getting the online meeting going. If you're hosting such a > dinner, you can choose how many people may be in attendance at any one > time. Perhaps you can host more than one seating. I love this idea. I want to join, but it will likely be very late. The end of the conference (6 PM EDT) is 1 AM in my timezone. I'm happy to have an arrival breakfast. :) > Remember: the meta-conference side of YAPC/TPC/CiC is entirely > volunteer-run. So if this sounds like a good idea and you want to make > it happen, please step forward! I think this is an excellent idea! From xsawyerx at cpan.org Wed May 27 05:18:59 2020 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 15:18:59 +0300 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Tue, May 26, 2020 at 2:58 PM James E Keenan via yapc wrote: > > [...] > > Specifically, I want to talk about slides. > > On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over Zoom > and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh rate of > those slides is much slower than what you would normally desire. Hence, > you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or within) slides than > you would if you were plugging your laptop into a conference-quality > data projector. > > Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this is > not limited to Zoom.) Definitely. If you have videos and gifs and jumping stuff, you will likely lose almost all of it with most viewers. Transitions, in general, should be used sparingly. I'm happy this would force people to stop using them. The range of responses to "creative" transitions (from pure annoyance and mild disruption to full-on seizures in more extreme cases) have taught us that a slide deck is not where we will have our debut as immersive experience film directors. Keep it simple. Movement == something to track == likely confusion. This has always been good advice. I never use anything other than "appear" and - in some cases - "fade out." Online, I would drop the "fade out," because it's short and will likely be missed. > Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best > over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my normal > fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the font, font > size and background color need to be chosen more carefully than usual. Considering this is a large audience, it's best to keep the same concepts: 1. Make sure the contrast looks good on your computer. (Don't use light colors on grey, for example, which I saw someone do yesterday.) 2. Large font == more readable. I think this is a good chance to effectively use slides to control the pace of the talk instead of a mechanism to store talk material for ourselves. Conversely, I don't suggest having one word per slide unless you're a lively enough speaker. People will lose track, lose focus, get bored, move on. (I, for example, don't think I could handle it as a speaker.) > What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in > slides and in terminal? * Pick a terminal that can increase the font. I usually use urvxt and my font size is static[1]. When presenting video, I use gnome-terminal which allows me to increase font easily. My phone on chat can help me make sure I'll receive comments from people if the font is too small. * Go slow in the terminal. I type fast, I move fast, and I confuse people quickly. When I started seeing others in the terminal, I realized I get confused by others just the same. * Make sure your terminal shows where you are clearly. * Less fancy stuff on the terminal means people focus on what you write vs. your configuration. (Unless the presentation is about your terminal "bling," keep that out of the picture so people focus.) * When showing files, line rows are suuuuper useful because you can say "On line 5," and the audience doesn't need to look for the cursor. * Pick a type-font that works best for code. I like Source Code Pro. There are others. * As noted by another, you have no idea if your jokes land. This sucks. I'm happy to hear how people are dealing with it because all I have is my jokes and they're not very good either. * Either find a way to be on chat and notice a few things, or move it completely out of the way. Presenters' pausing can be very distracting. * Generally, when people share their screen and move around, you will see their desktop. That's not only distracting but can be risky for them. Forgetting weird or awkward desktop background images, some people keep files on their desktop, have tabs open with certain content (bank, chat with colleague or partner, work stuff, etc.), and more (read: worse). Just as you're going to clean your physical background, clear your desktop, your open tabs, your windows. Alternatively, switch to a different desktop or workspace. * Virtual background is not a bad idea if it helps keep a professional environment and doesn't distract. ("Is that a mug on the desk? What is the shirt hung behind them? Who's the person to their side?") However, pick your virtual background picture selectively. It needs to stay professional and *static*. Moving background makes people frustrated, dizzy, disoriented, distracted, etc. This is my braindump and I imagine I will mess up many of these. :) [1] I'm sure there's a way to increase it dynamically, but I didn't configure it. From lembark at wrkhors.com Wed May 27 16:34:06 2020 From: lembark at wrkhors.com (Steven Lembark) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 18:34:06 -0500 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20200527183406.1462d46d.lembark@wrkhors.com> > On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over > Zoom and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh > rate of those slides is much slower than what you would normally > desire. Hence, you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or > within) slides than you would if you were plugging your laptop into a > conference-quality data projector. > > Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this > is not limited to Zoom.) I haven't seen that at all presenting here at the LUG. Your computer seems like a nice platform for testing throughput (e.g., not on fiber, not the most modern). > Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best > over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my > normal fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the > font, font size and background color need to be chosen more carefully > than usual. So far my usual format (black line across the top, sparse black-on- grey below) seems to look decent. > What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in > slides and in terminal? The main issue is that people see you (sort of) or the slides but not both. A big part of my keeping people awake is moving around, interacting with people in the audience. With Zoom it's my voice droning along with the slides. The best way I've found to keep things moving is progressive slides, with the content updating 3-5 times per slide. If refresh rates are that much of an issue then that may prove to be a bad idea... -- Steven Lembark Workhorse Computing lembark at wrkhors.com +1 888 359 3508 From brett at cpanel.net Wed May 27 17:04:03 2020 From: brett at cpanel.net (B. Estrade) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 19:04:03 -0500 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: <20200527183406.1462d46d.lembark@wrkhors.com> References: <20200527183406.1462d46d.lembark@wrkhors.com> Message-ID: <7f97d156-150c-7d9f-1928-4a3277f961dc@cpanel.net> On 5/27/20 6:34 PM, Steven Lembark via yapc wrote: > >> On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over >> Zoom and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh >> rate of those slides is much slower than what you would normally >> desire. Hence, you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or >> within) slides than you would if you were plugging your laptop into a >> conference-quality data projector. >> >> Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this >> is not limited to Zoom.) > > I haven't seen that at all presenting here at the LUG. Your computer > seems like a nice platform for testing throughput (e.g., not on fiber, > not the most modern). > >> Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best >> over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my >> normal fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the >> font, font size and background color need to be chosen more carefully >> than usual. > > So far my usual format (black line across the top, sparse black-on- > grey below) seems to look decent. > >> What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in >> slides and in terminal? > > The main issue is that people see you (sort of) or the slides but not > both. A big part of my keeping people awake is moving around, > interacting with people in the audience. With Zoom it's my voice > droning along with the slides. The best way I've found to keep things > moving is progressive slides, with the content updating 3-5 times > per slide. If refresh rates are that much of an issue then that may > prove to be a bad idea... Recently I've seen people doing nice things using Open Broadcast Platform (OBS). Apologies if this has been mentioned. For Zoom it seems you need to install some sort of virtual camera plugin for Zoom to target, but OBS is really meant to live stream (1984Tube, twitch, etc). That said I've not been able to get it to work myself on Mac (it might have something to do with graphics acceleration, not sure). The examples I've seen have been from Ubuntu and when it works, it's very nice and create quite an interactive and professional looking environment. This includes streaming videos playing on the host, etc. YMMV. Also for Zoom, like most I've been on some pretty large calls these daze and the general advice is that everyone mutes their mic and turns off their camera to be thrifty with the explosion of bandwidth. Brett > From tmurray at wumpus-cave.net Wed May 27 17:12:16 2020 From: tmurray at wumpus-cave.net (Timm Murray) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 19:12:16 -0500 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: <7f97d156-150c-7d9f-1928-4a3277f961dc@cpanel.net> References: <20200527183406.1462d46d.lembark@wrkhors.com> <7f97d156-150c-7d9f-1928-4a3277f961dc@cpanel.net> Message-ID: I gave OBS a try on Windows for a Zoom presentation. Since they got a bunch of extra scrutiny over security recently, they started denying taking video sources from unsigned drivers. That includes the OBS plugin that presents itself as a webcam to the rest of the system. That was about a month ago, so not sure if it's been worked out. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:04 PM B. Estrade via yapc wrote: > > > On 5/27/20 6:34 PM, Steven Lembark via yapc wrote: > > > >> On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over > >> Zoom and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh > >> rate of those slides is much slower than what you would normally > >> desire. Hence, you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or > >> within) slides than you would if you were plugging your laptop into a > >> conference-quality data projector. > >> > >> Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this > >> is not limited to Zoom.) > > > > I haven't seen that at all presenting here at the LUG. Your computer > > seems like a nice platform for testing throughput (e.g., not on fiber, > > not the most modern). > > > >> Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best > >> over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my > >> normal fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the > >> font, font size and background color need to be chosen more carefully > >> than usual. > > > > So far my usual format (black line across the top, sparse black-on- > > grey below) seems to look decent. > > > >> What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in > >> slides and in terminal? > > > > The main issue is that people see you (sort of) or the slides but not > > both. A big part of my keeping people awake is moving around, > > interacting with people in the audience. With Zoom it's my voice > > droning along with the slides. The best way I've found to keep things > > moving is progressive slides, with the content updating 3-5 times > > per slide. If refresh rates are that much of an issue then that may > > prove to be a bad idea... > > Recently I've seen people doing nice things using Open Broadcast > Platform (OBS). Apologies if this has been mentioned. For Zoom it seems > you need to install some sort of virtual camera plugin for Zoom to > target, but OBS is really meant to live stream (1984Tube, twitch, etc). > > That said I've not been able to get it to work myself on Mac (it might > have something to do with graphics acceleration, not sure). The examples > I've seen have been from Ubuntu and when it works, it's very nice and > create quite an interactive and professional looking environment. This > includes streaming videos playing on the host, etc. YMMV. > > Also for Zoom, like most I've been on some pretty large calls these daze > and the general advice is that everyone mutes their mic and turns off > their camera to be thrifty with the explosion of bandwidth. > > Brett > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From benwarfield at gmail.com Wed May 27 21:03:56 2020 From: benwarfield at gmail.com (Benjamin Warfield) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 00:03:56 -0400 Subject: Conference in Cloud and online meeting technology In-Reply-To: References: <20200527183406.1462d46d.lembark@wrkhors.com> <7f97d156-150c-7d9f-1928-4a3277f961dc@cpanel.net> Message-ID: I recently saw an excellent short presentation over Zoom using index cards as the presentation material. The speaker was visible and (extremely) engaging most of the time, and when a visual was needed, they held a hand-drawn card up toward the camera. Not necessarily workable for all types of talk, but a pretty solid approach for the content being delivered in that case. --Ben On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:12 PM Timm Murray via yapc wrote: > I gave OBS a try on Windows for a Zoom presentation. Since they got a > bunch of extra scrutiny over security recently, they started denying taking > video sources from unsigned drivers. That includes the OBS plugin that > presents itself as a webcam to the rest of the system. > > That was about a month ago, so not sure if it's been worked out. > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:04 PM B. Estrade via yapc wrote: > >> >> >> On 5/27/20 6:34 PM, Steven Lembark via yapc wrote: >> > >> >> On #yapc, Todd has already mentioned that if you're presenting over >> >> Zoom and you're sharing slides from your laptop screen, the refresh >> >> rate of those slides is much slower than what you would normally >> >> desire. Hence, you are advised to have fewer transitions among (or >> >> within) slides than you would if you were plugging your laptop into a >> >> conference-quality data projector. >> >> >> >> Can other people confirm that that is good advice? (I suspect this >> >> is not limited to Zoom.) >> > >> > I haven't seen that at all presenting here at the LUG. Your computer >> > seems like a nice platform for testing throughput (e.g., not on fiber, >> > not the most modern). >> > >> >> Also, slide layout and typography: What have people found works best >> >> over Zoom? My impression so far is that I can get away with my >> >> normal fonts in my slides -- but that if I go share my terminal, the >> >> font, font size and background color need to be chosen more carefully >> >> than usual. >> > >> > So far my usual format (black line across the top, sparse black-on- >> > grey below) seems to look decent. >> > >> >> What have people learned with respect to sharing your screen, both in >> >> slides and in terminal? >> > >> > The main issue is that people see you (sort of) or the slides but not >> > both. A big part of my keeping people awake is moving around, >> > interacting with people in the audience. With Zoom it's my voice >> > droning along with the slides. The best way I've found to keep things >> > moving is progressive slides, with the content updating 3-5 times >> > per slide. If refresh rates are that much of an issue then that may >> > prove to be a bad idea... >> >> Recently I've seen people doing nice things using Open Broadcast >> Platform (OBS). Apologies if this has been mentioned. For Zoom it seems >> you need to install some sort of virtual camera plugin for Zoom to >> target, but OBS is really meant to live stream (1984Tube, twitch, etc). >> >> That said I've not been able to get it to work myself on Mac (it might >> have something to do with graphics acceleration, not sure). The examples >> I've seen have been from Ubuntu and when it works, it's very nice and >> create quite an interactive and professional looking environment. This >> includes streaming videos playing on the host, etc. YMMV. >> >> Also for Zoom, like most I've been on some pretty large calls these daze >> and the general advice is that everyone mutes their mic and turns off >> their camera to be thrifty with the explosion of bandwidth. >> >> Brett >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: