From robert at robertblackwell.com Wed Apr 6 12:20:53 2016 From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2016 15:20:53 -0400 Subject: YAPC::NA Hotel Room sharing Message-ID: For those of you going to YAPC::NA don't forget to see if you can share a room to save some money for beer and such. I have an extra bed if anyone is interested. http://www.yapcna.org/yn2016/wiki?node=WhoIsStayingWhere Robert From ikeith at earthlink.net Thu Apr 7 17:53:31 2016 From: ikeith at earthlink.net (keith tarbell) Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2016 20:53:31 -0400 (GMT-04:00) Subject: unsubscribe Message-ID: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> unsubscribe From darren at darrenduncan.net Thu Apr 7 18:42:24 2016 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 07 Apr 2016 18:42:24 -0700 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> On 2016-04-07 5:53 PM, keith tarbell via yapc wrote: > unsubscribe Keith, you have to message the list admin address, not the list discussion address, to unsubscribe, or use the web interface. Per the header in every list message: List-Unsubscribe: , Sending that to the discussion list just spams everyone else, who can't do anything about it. -- Darren Duncan From dobwan at earthlink.net Fri Apr 8 03:59:44 2016 From: dobwan at earthlink.net (Duane Brown) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:59:44 -0400 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> was it *REALLY* necessary to spam the whole list for this? there should be something in the code of conduct to discourage this kind of abusive singling out of an individual Perl is all about taking the unknowing under your wing and helping them to fly > Per the header in every list message: > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > Sending that to the discussion list just spams everyone else, who > can't do anything about it. > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From xsawyerx at cpan.org Fri Apr 8 04:09:10 2016 From: xsawyerx at cpan.org (Sawyer X) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 13:09:10 +0200 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: Not to start a thread, but... the benefit of Duncan CC'ing the list is two fold: 1. No one needs to send additional corrections, and 2. Now other people who might want to unsubscribe know how to do so. For what it's worth, Duncan could have sent this privately to Keith, but that does not mean what he did was abusive. Either way, have a splendid day, everyone. :) On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 12:59 PM, Duane Brown via yapc wrote: > was it REALLY necessary to spam the whole list for this? > > there should be something in the code of conduct to discourage this kind of > abusive singling out of an individual > > Perl is all about taking the unknowing under your wing and helping them to > fly > > Per the header in every list message: > > List-Unsubscribe: , > > > Sending that to the discussion list just spams everyone else, who can't do > anything about it. > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From dave at sherohman.org Fri Apr 8 04:19:46 2016 From: dave at sherohman.org (Dave Sherohman) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 06:19:46 -0500 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 06:59:44AM -0400, Duane Brown via yapc wrote: > was it *REALLY* necessary to spam the whole list for this? Seems a little hypocritical to complain about someone sending a message to the entire list by... sending your complaint to the entire list. > there should be something in the code of conduct to discourage this kind of > abusive singling out of an individual I see no "abusive singling out of an individual" here, just advice and assistance being given publicly. Which I consider a Good Thing, since anyone else who might want to unsubscribe will now know how to do so, without needing to make the same mistake themselves. > Perl is all about taking the unknowing under your wing and helping them to > fly Indeed. And instructing an unknowing individual in public also helps other unknowing individuals who might have the same or similar problems. -- Dave Sherohman From darren at darrenduncan.net Fri Apr 8 15:12:07 2016 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 15:12:07 -0700 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> Message-ID: <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> I think most responders got it. 1. Sending the "how to unsubscribe" reminder to the list (in addition to the questioner privately) is a normal and common good practice for a long time. 2. It also helps others who were also wondering how to unsubscribe. For every person who asks a question, there are many others who want to know but don't ask. 3. It lets others know the question was answered so they don't have to. 4. Since the original message was sent to the whole list, the individual singled out themselves anyway. This all being said, some mailing lists have an actual visible small footer appended to list messages with subscription management / unsubscribe instructions, and that might be useful to do for pm.org lists for people not savvy enough to look at the typically hidden by default relevant mail headers. -- Darren Duncan On 2016-04-08 4:19 AM, Dave Sherohman via yapc wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 06:59:44AM -0400, Duane Brown via yapc wrote: >> was it *REALLY* necessary to spam the whole list for this? > > Seems a little hypocritical to complain about someone sending a message > to the entire list by... sending your complaint to the entire list. > >> there should be something in the code of conduct to discourage this kind of >> abusive singling out of an individual > > I see no "abusive singling out of an individual" here, just advice and > assistance being given publicly. Which I consider a Good Thing, since > anyone else who might want to unsubscribe will now know how to do so, > without needing to make the same mistake themselves. > >> Perl is all about taking the unknowing under your wing and helping them to >> fly > > Indeed. And instructing an unknowing individual in public also helps > other unknowing individuals who might have the same or similar problems. From darren at darrenduncan.net Fri Apr 8 15:16:43 2016 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2016 15:16:43 -0700 Subject: unsubscribe In-Reply-To: <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <57082DCB.6040404@darrenduncan.net> On 2016-04-08 3:12 PM, Darren Duncan via yapc wrote: > This all being said, some mailing lists have an actual visible small footer > appended to list messages with subscription management / unsubscribe > instructions, and that might be useful to do for pm.org lists for people not > savvy enough to look at the typically hidden by default relevant mail headers. Ugh, my bad, the list DOES do this already, sort of. -- Darren Duncan From toddr at cpanel.net Fri Apr 8 15:20:38 2016 From: toddr at cpanel.net (Todd Rinaldo) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2016 17:20:38 -0500 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! *grin* In-Reply-To: <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> AOn Apr 8, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Darren Duncan via yapc wrote: > > I think most responders got it. > > 1. Sending the "how to unsubscribe" reminder to the list (in addition to the questioner privately) is a normal and common good practice for a long time. > > 2. It also helps others who were also wondering how to unsubscribe. For every person who asks a question, there are many others who want to know but don't ask. > > 3. It lets others know the question was answered so they don't have to. > > 4. Since the original message was sent to the whole list, the individual singled out themselves anyway. > > This all being said, some mailing lists have an actual visible small footer appended to list messages with subscription management / unsubscribe instructions, and that might be useful to do for pm.org lists for people not savvy enough to look at the typically hidden by default relevant mail headers. > > -- Darren Duncan See now, what I want to know is why there's a general belief that replying with UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! (the extra exclamation marks make it work better) has any effect. I know there are some systems that support that but even they only work if you send to the management email, not the mailing list one. As a corollary to this curiosity, I'm also curious why people think that works on threads. The troll in me makes me want to reply to those emails even more just to see how much more I can flood their inbox. Todd -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 842 bytes Desc: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail URL: From yapc at packy.org Mon Apr 11 05:12:08 2016 From: yapc at packy.org (Packy Anderson) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2016 12:12:08 +0000 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! *grin* In-Reply-To: <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> Message-ID: The belief stems (I believe) from the idea that the list membership is managed MANUALLY. I believe this because it very closely resembles the responses I see to interminable "reply all" threads with lots of recipients: all it takes is for one person to not get the message, and then reply to an earlier message in the thread, and a recipient who was removed from a thread is quietly added back. People who might, under normal circumstances, understand that the list is managed by software, revert to the more "primal" understanding of "reply all" when they're angry or stressed and not thinking clearly. Of course, this is all armchair psychoanalysis. The truth may be completely different. On Fri, Apr 8, 2016, 6:38 PM Todd Rinaldo via yapc wrote: > AOn Apr 8, 2016, at 5:12 PM, Darren Duncan via yapc wrote: > > > > I think most responders got it. > > > > 1. Sending the "how to unsubscribe" reminder to the list (in addition > to the questioner privately) is a normal and common good practice for a > long time. > > > > 2. It also helps others who were also wondering how to unsubscribe. > For every person who asks a question, there are many others who want to > know but don't ask. > > > > 3. It lets others know the question was answered so they don't have to. > > > > 4. Since the original message was sent to the whole list, the > individual singled out themselves anyway. > > > > This all being said, some mailing lists have an actual visible small > footer appended to list messages with subscription management / unsubscribe > instructions, and that might be useful to do for pm.org lists for people > not savvy enough to look at the typically hidden by default relevant mail > headers. > > > > -- Darren Duncan > > See now, what I want to know is why there's a general belief that replying > with UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! (the extra exclamation marks make it work better) has > any effect. I know there are some systems that support that but even they > only work if you send to the management email, not the mailing list one. > > As a corollary to this curiosity, I'm also curious why people think that > works on threads. > > The troll in me makes me want to reply to those emails even more just to > see how much more I can flood their inbox. > > Todd > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mst at shadowcat.co.uk Tue Apr 12 08:53:58 2016 From: mst at shadowcat.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 15:53:58 +0000 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! *grin* In-Reply-To: <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> Message-ID: <20160412155358.GK25929@newagaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 05:20:38PM -0500, Todd Rinaldo via yapc wrote: > See now, what I want to know is why there's a general belief that replying with UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! (the extra exclamation marks make it work better) has any effect. I know there are some systems that support that but even they only work if you send to the management email, not the mailing list one. Perhaps because it's a perl list they think Damian might be involved in the implementation so it works the same as http://p3rl.org/Acme::Crap ? -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our CPAN commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From philwells at thephilwells.com Tue Apr 12 10:04:09 2016 From: philwells at thephilwells.com (Phil Wells) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 13:04:09 -0400 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! *grin* In-Reply-To: <20160412155358.GK25929@newagaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> <20160412155358.GK25929@newagaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: unsubscribe On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:53 AM, Matt S Trout via yapc wrote: > On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 05:20:38PM -0500, Todd Rinaldo via yapc wrote: > > See now, what I want to know is why there's a general belief that > replying with UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! (the extra exclamation marks make it work > better) has any effect. I know there are some systems that support that but > even they only work if you send to the management email, not the mailing > list one. > > Perhaps because it's a perl list they think Damian might be involved in > the implementation so it works the same as http://p3rl.org/Acme::Crap ? > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a > clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ > http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our CPAN > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know there are some systems that support that but even they only work if you send to the management email, not the mailing list one. > > > > Perhaps because it's a perl list they think Damian might be involved in > > the implementation so it works the same ashttp://p3rl.org/Acme::Crap? > > > > -- > > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > > > Email me now on mst (at)shadowcat.co.uk(http://shadowcat.co.uk)and let's chat about how our CPAN > > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > > > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org(mailto:yapc at pm.org) > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From genehack at genehack.org Tue Apr 12 10:26:13 2016 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2016 10:26:13 -0700 Subject: UNSUBSCRIBE!!!! *grin* In-Reply-To: References: <20172757.1460076811707.JavaMail.wam@elwamui-rubis.atl.sa.earthlink.net> <57070C80.3020602@darrenduncan.net> <57078F20.8050602@earthlink.net> <20160408111946.GB19014@sherohman.org> <57082CB7.8060902@darrenduncan.net> <0D947532-DDA6-4454-95BD-865A30B36A83@cpanel.net> <20160412155358.GK25929@newagaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <62D603E0-399B-4653-9E8B-77483B6EF0D7@genehack.org> Okay folks. List Mom here. I think we've about exhausted the humor potential in this topic, so let's please wrap it up and move on to something -- anything -- else. As a friendly reminder to the lurking masses: there is a yapc-announce list that attendees will be subscribed to, that will be used for any important/high-value announcements. This list is for (relatively) unmoderated chatter and will periodically have episodes like this thread. If that's not to your taste, well, you should be well versed in what to do at this point. Thanks, hope to see you in Orlando. J.