Concerning the Email Thread involving Reini Urban

[Jonathan "Duke" Leto]

Howdy,

I think it is inappropriate for Mike to tell Reini how he should
*feel* about his past actions. That is out of line.

Reini, your statements were misinterpreted and also seen through the
light of a different cultural lens.

Everybody wants to get together and nerd out about Perl. Let's try to
concentrate on that, instead.

Duke

On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 12:48 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Mike South <msouth at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The only thing to regret, in my opinion, is that the way you phrased your
>> observation was interpretable as racism.
>>
>> No honest observer has just cause to think you _actually are_ racist.  That
>> _would_ be something to be ashamed of.  This honest error, in contrast, is
>> something you can regret and correct, but shame is not called for.
>
> Well, I'm not so sure. I'm still super angry at me and ashamed, because
> you never know who willl read that later and will get it wrong.
> That's why I stepped back from my yapc talk, because I cannot really
> stand everybody looking at me there.
> But I'll probably come to the hackathon to talk about the projects and ideas
> we are working on.
>
> A YAPC really should be about bringing perl forward and talk about hacking,
> not about our stupid behavior, fights and mistakes we do online.
> I don't want to see another CoC incident.
> But I know that we need to socialize at least once a year, because online
> communication is not easy. Esp. with different cultural backgrounds.
>
>> On Wed, May 22, 2013 at 1:44 PM, Reini Urban <reini.urban at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 21, 2013, at 7:21 AM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Mon, May 20, 2013 at 2:03 PM, Code of Conduct <coc at yapcna.org> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> The CoC Committee has received several complaints about comments made
>>> >> by Reini
>>> >> Urban to this list.  An immediate review seems to the support the
>>> >> contention
>>> >> that these comments violate the YAPC Code of Conduct.
>>> >>
>>> >> Pending further review, and possible additional action, Reini has been
>>> >> removed
>>> >> form this list and will not be able to post here, nor receive email
>>> >> from it.
>>> >>
>>> >> The CoC Committee will investigate further and make a final
>>> >> determination
>>> >> which will be reported when it is complete.  With YAPC nearly upon us,
>>> >> any
>>> >> final determination may delayed, please allow us sufficient time to
>>> >> respond
>>> >> properly.
>>> >
>>> > We have taken some time and reviewed feedback on the incident
>>> > yesterday. The mailing list was also put into moderation mode in order
>>> > to allow for a cooling off period over the issue.
>>> >
>>> > Q: Why is yapc at pm.org being moderated under the Code of Conduct Rules?
>>> > A: The list has long since been controlled by YAPC organizers. The
>>> > list in the past (including this year) has also auto-joined conference
>>> > registrants. The list also has little or no activity outside of the
>>> > conference venue.
>>> >
>>> > Q: Why did you ban Reini from the mailing list?
>>> > A: This was a suspension to give us a chance to review the issue and
>>> > make a considered response.
>>> >
>>> > Q: Why was Reini added back to the list?
>>> > A: Reini expressed remorse and requested a chance to apologize.  It is
>>> > our opinion that the comments were made from ignorance and not malice
>>> > and that he is sincere.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> > YAPC::NA Code of Conduct Committee
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> I am very sorry and I hope it will not happen again.
>>> I feel ashamed.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>
>
>
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