[yapc] Missing subcribers

[Dave Baker]

Brad,

I really hope you will come. I'll buy you a beer (or two). "Ignore the 
man behind the curtain!" as was said in the Wizard of Oz (who turns out 
in the end to be a really great guy, once he comes out from behind the 
curtain/mailing list).

Sometimes there is butting of heads (ramming of horns) among this gang 
of brilliant and eccentric geeks, but in my experience it's rarely over 
personalities or pride. It's about the merits of a particular idea, 
proposition or piece of code. The ability to care passionately about 
something that affects a community, pulling as hard as you can on your 
end of the rope while the sweat stings your eyes and your heels get 
dirty and skinned on the grass, is actually refreshing in these days 
when image and popularity usually obscure a lively debate on the merits.

You'll enjoy it. Push back. You already have, actually, and I think you 
make a good point.

Dave Baker

On 5/25/2012 2:51 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote:
> It's fine.
>
> It was harsh of me to engage in ad hominem, especially without knowing 
> you.
>
> I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have 
> discussed it with the organizers several times.
>
> It's the same sort of bickering and attitude that prevented people in 
> the bad old days from picking up Perl, because that's the sort of help 
> they were likely to get asking questions in lists.
>
> I have decided that this attitude makes the conference less useful for 
> me.  Where I had planned to attend (yes, for the first time), give two 
> talks, sponsor a couple folks, etc., I have now decided to not attend 
> at all.  If that's the intended point of these rants, well, they have 
> hit their mark.
>
> I wish you all the best,
> I will not post to this list again.
> /bda
>
>
> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Matt S Trout 
> <mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk <mailto:mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk>> wrote:
>
>     On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Bradley Andersen wrote:
>     > This thread is _not_ spam?
>
>     This thread is an attempt to correct a decision that has led to
>     this list
>     not being full of relevant and useful discussion, but rather a
>     wasteland of
>     broadcasts by the organisers and the occasional plaintive missive
>     from me
>     trying to get the community to be given a chance to actually be
>     involved.
>
>     I'm sorry if it annoys you.
>
>     I wish there was no such thread to be had.
>
>     However, there is, and until the organisers make at least *some*
>     attempt to
>     correct the problem it's likely going to keep running whether I
>     continue to
>     post to it or not.
>
>     Those of us who have been to previous YAPCs are painfully aware of
>     what we're
>     missing here. I'm not sure I can explain it if you haven't been
>     part of it.
>
>     --
>     Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit
>     bit and a clue
>
>     http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/
>     http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/
>
>     Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk <http://shadowcat.co.uk>
>     and let's chat about how our Catalyst
>     commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help
>     your team.
>
>
>
>
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