From admin at yapcna.org Tue May 1 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Residence Hall Reservations Close in 2 Weeks Message-ID: <4f9f9804.0859b60a.1d12.1076@mx.google.com> If you want to reserve_a_dorm_room for YAPC::NA_2012, then you have only 2 weeks left to do it. Reservations officially close on May 14th. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue May 1 09:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 1 May 2012 12:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] LinuxFund.org is sponsoring YAPC::NA 2012! Linux Fund is a... Message-ID: <4fa00884.c61c3c0a.6063.6192@mx.google.com> [http://30.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ci0msSsf1qm5pt2o1_400.png] LinuxFund.org is sponsoring YAPC::NA_2012! Linux Fund is a community-neutral 501(c)(3) nonprofit organization that provides financial and administrative support to the open source community. We have given away over $750,000 to open source events and projects around the world since our founding in 1999 using funds raised through our line of credit cards and direct donations. Our primary focus is to bring promising OSI-compliant software projects to production status and foster the community efforts surrounding them. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I particularly remember Tad from YAPC::NA::2000 in Pittsburgh -- Wednesday, June 14, first day of conference. As a Perl beginner I decided to attend Randal's all-day Learning Perl track. IIRC, Randal's plane was delayed, preventing him from arriving until about 2:00 pm. Tad rolled out the slides at 9:00 am and gave the Learning Perl presentation without dropping a beat. And at the end of the day, not having gotten lost in the 150 slides, I said, "I can do this!" So Tad is one of the people I have to thank for my career! Jim Keenan From admin at yapcna.org Wed May 2 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Sinan Unur is sponsoring YAPC::NA 2012! Sinan Unur is an... Message-ID: <4fa0e983.4230b60a.1953.36a3@mx.google.com> [http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3ci67l62Z1qm5pt2o1_250.png] Sinan_Unur is sponsoring YAPC::NA_2012! Sinan Unur is an economist and developer who appreciates the beauty, power, and convenience of Perl, especially when he is not allowed to use it. He blogs about Perl and other programming topics on ?42 and you can usually find him answering questions on Stackoverflow. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 8066 bytes Desc: not available URL: From admin at yapcna.org Wed May 2 01:00:04 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Wed, 2 May 2012 04:00:04 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Thank You Sponsors! Message-ID: <4fa0e985.c3043c0a.5468.315a@mx.google.com> Wed like to thank our_sponsors for stepping up to support us. We really couldnt do this without their support. You too could sponsor_YAPC. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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They describe the job as: Are you? cPanel is growing its Internal Systems Development department and looking for a software craftsman with advanced knowledge of Perl and working knowledge of Linux and FreeBSD operating systems.? Youll be tasked with developing, implementing, and maintaining cPanels internal and external software products.? Sound like this could be you?? Read on.? The Mission (what you???ll be responsible for) * Refactors, optimizes, and maintains existing software to perform more efficiently or to work within new constraints. * Creates new software used to support, distribute or maintain cPanel products. * Performs advanced testing and debugging to identify and resolve problems in existing systems. * Participates in code reviews and assists other team members with support and analysis of external and internal systems. * Contributes knowledge from personal analysis to company databases. * Adheres to the policies and procedures of the company. * Adheres to coding and development standards and practices provided by cPanel. * Prepares ad hoc reports for management and company executives. The Tools (what knowledge, skills, abilities, and experiences we???re looking for)? * Project Management skills? - able to perform all aspects of software development life cycle, including requirements, development, quality assurance, and documentation * Oral Communication? - able to speak clearly and effectively to employees and members of management * Written Communication? - able to communicate effectively in all written work, particularly as it pertains to documentation phase of the software development life cycle which requires writing support level and user level documentation * Time Management? - able to use time effectively in an unsupervised fashion; able to complete projects in a timely manner * Planning/Organizing skills? - able to prioritize work activities, use time efficiently and work through large projects in a self-motivated manner? * Adaptability? - able to adapt to changes in the work environment, manage competing demands and able to deal with frequent change, delays or unexpected events * Computer knowledge? - strong knowledge of word processing software; strong knowledge of electronic communication systems; able to navigate the internet? * Problem solving skills? - able to identify and resolve problems in a timely manner, gather and analyze information skillfully; able to apply independent judgement on regular basis in making decisions * Interpersonal skills? - able to interact with co-workers and customers in professional and effective manner * Technical skills? - advanced technical skills which include:? o Advanced? knowledge of Perl including:? ? CGI,? DBI, Object Oriented Programming, Perl best practices, and deployment of CPAN modules within a production environment o Strong? working knowledge of web development technologies including Javascript, Ajax, and the Yahoo User Interface Library o Strong working knowledge of Linux and FreeBSD operating systems, their underlying components and hosting related services such as: ? Web Servers (Apache, Tux, Lighttpd, etc), Mail Servers (Exim, Sendmail, etc.), DNS Servers (BIND, NSD, etc.), understanding of Linux Filesystem and volume management? ? o Strong? ? working knowledge of SQL syntax and usage o Strong working? ? knowledge of MySQL database administration, including database replication o Working? ? knowledge of relational database design o Familiarity with PHP o Familiarity with jQuery * Education/Experience? - High School diploma or equivalent; o Three years of Linux and FreeBSD system troubleshooting or a related certification (RHCE) o Two years of Perl development experience * Travel? -Occasional local and/or overnight travel may be required In return for all the above, we offer the following: Competitive Salary Full Health, Vision, and Dental coverage Flexible Spending Account Free on-site lunch Paid Vacation Tuition Reimbursement Casual Working Environment 401K Matching EEO Statement At our company, we take great pride in our diverse and talented workforce. We recognize that our continued success as a company depends largely on the collective strengths of our employees. cPanel? provides equal employment opportunities to all employees and applicants without regard to race, color, religious creed, sex, national origin, ancestry, citizenship status, pregnancy, childbirth, physical disability, mental disability, age, military status or status as a Vietnam-era or special disabled veteran, marital status, registered domestic partner or civil union status, gender (including sex stereotyping and gender identity or expression), medical condition (including, but not limited to, cancer related or HIV/AIDS related) or sexual orientation in accordance with applicable federal, state and local law. This policy applies to all terms and conditions of employment, including, but not limited to hiring, placement, termination, layoff, recall, transfer,? leaves of absence, compensation and training. ? Privacy is taken seriously at? cPanel, Inc. Information submitted is kept internally and not shared with third parties. Apply_today! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/jpeg Size: 7051 bytes Desc: not available URL: From admin at yapcna.org Sat May 5 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sat, 5 May 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] NoiseGen: Generate Sound With Perl. Blips and Beeps. Message-ID: <4fa4de03.8a07b60a.0c22.210e@mx.google.com> Brock Wilcox will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Lets create a sound synthesizer in about 20 minutes! Along the way, well learn a little something about digital sound, function composition, and stateful functions (generators) using lexical closures. Oh. And well make some deliciously horrible noise to amaze/annoy your friends! 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Gits ease of cloning complete repositories and ability to post enhnancements has led to a new generation source code hosting sites such as github and gitorious that help drive open source software innovation. In this presentation Randal will provide a quick overview of the history, then delve into a detailed review of the features and how git can be used to manage code for various sized projects. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Augumented versions of familiar idioms now do a lot more than they used, and brand new ones have been added. Beyond these shortcuts, thousands of Unicode properties are available to let you say exactly what you mean. Learn how to tailor your own properties and character sequences, how to portably handle word and line boundaries, how to match several different kinds of grapheme clusters, and how to define your own character properties. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 7 09:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA Will Be Televised! Message-ID: <4fa7f184.6b36b60a.7bb5.13d4@mx.google.com> We wanted to do something that, to our knowledge, has never been done before at YAPC, so Im pleased to announce that YAPC::NA_2012 will be streamed live out to the internet for free! We will have professional videographers in all four of our main track rooms (not the workshop or hackathon rooms). Those feeds will be streamed live to the internet so that anyone who couldnt make it to YAPC will be able to watch in real-time for free.? These feeds will also be recorded, however, we dont know yet what to do with those recordings. Well probably upload them to YouTube or some other online video service, but were hoping to get some volunteers to help with that task, as wed like to automate that process as much as possible. If you have experience with this, and want to help, please email admin at yapcna dot org.? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon May 7 09:32:48 2012 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 09:32:48 -0700 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA Will Be Televised! In-Reply-To: <4fa7f184.6b36b60a.7bb5.13d4@mx.google.com> (YAPC's message of "Mon, 7 May 2012 12:00:03 -0400") References: <4fa7f184.6b36b60a.7bb5.13d4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <86vck89cjz.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "YAPC_NA" == YAPC::NA Director writes: YAPC_NA> We wanted to do something that, to our knowledge, has never YAPC_NA> been done before at YAPC, so Im pleased to announce that YAPC_NA> YAPC::NA_2012 will be streamed live out to the internet for YAPC_NA> free! I'm pretty sure that's been done before, two or three years ago at least. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From dan at dwright.org Mon May 7 09:43:58 2012 From: dan at dwright.org (Daniel Wright) Date: Mon, 7 May 2012 12:43:58 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA Will Be Televised! In-Reply-To: <86vck89cjz.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <4fa7f184.6b36b60a.7bb5.13d4@mx.google.com> <86vck89cjz.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <2F993204-4F5F-4AB3-8AAC-07B8456214AC@dwright.org> On May 7, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > I'm pretty sure that's been done before, two or three years ago at least. The last two years have been video recorded for later publishing. Three years ago, we did audio-only recordings. Toronto also did recordings. I don't recall if there were any others. On a related note: I'm looking for somebody that has experience with LiveType that can help me put together some title screens to use with Final Cut Express to produce old PPW videos. -Dan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mpeters at plusthree.com Mon May 7 10:18:33 2012 From: mpeters at plusthree.com (Michael Peters) Date: Mon, 07 May 2012 13:18:33 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA Will Be Televised! In-Reply-To: <2F993204-4F5F-4AB3-8AAC-07B8456214AC@dwright.org> References: <4fa7f184.6b36b60a.7bb5.13d4@mx.google.com> <86vck89cjz.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <2F993204-4F5F-4AB3-8AAC-07B8456214AC@dwright.org> Message-ID: <4FA803E9.2070907@plusthree.com> On 05/07/2012 12:43 PM, Daniel Wright wrote: > On May 7, 2012, at 12:32 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >> I'm pretty sure that's been done before, two or three years ago at least. > > The last two years have been video recorded for later publishing. Three > years ago, we did audio-only recordings. Toronto also did recordings. I > don't recall if there were any others. They were recorded, but I don't believe any were streamed live. Also, were any of those recordings posted anywhere? -- Michael Peters Plus Three, LP From admin at yapcna.org Tue May 8 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 8 May 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA Planning Meeting Tonight Message-ID: <4fa8d283.85043c0a.5d7b.ffff9c83@mx.google.com> Its the first Tuesday of the month, so that means its YAPC::NA Planning Meeting time. If youre in the Madison area, or dont mind a drive there is a YAPC planning meeting tonight at the Essen_Haus at 7pm.? Its just over a month to YAPC::NA so weve got a lot to discuss tonight. The meeting will probably last until around 9pm, but youre free to come and go as you please. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(merlyn) o Programming Perl, 1st and 2nd Edition o Learning Perl o Intermediate Perl o Perls of Wisdom * Tom_Christiansen? (tchrist) o The Perl Cookbook o Programming Perl * Andrew Johnson o Elements of Programming with Perl * Matt_Trout? (mst) o The Definitive Guide to Catalyst * Andy_Lester? (petdance) o Land the Tech Job You Love o Pro Perl Debugging o Mac OS X Tiger in a Nutshell * Dave_Rolsky? (autarch) o Embedding Perl in HTML with Mason o RT Essentials * Scott_Walters? (scrottie) o Perl 6 Now [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Wed May 9 21:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 00:00:03 -0400 Subject: We’ve moved the YAPC::NA 2012 Job Fair and Expo into a... Message-ID: <4fab3d43.652bb60a.5703.fffff6bb@mx.google.com> [http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3s3e1E6pZ1qm5pt2o1_500.png] We???ve moved the YAPC::NA_2012 Job_Fair_and_Expo into a larger room to accommodate ? demand. As a result we now have a few more tables available for those looking to exhibit. Contact admin [at] yapcna [dot] org if you???re interested. Also, we this means we have more space for Startup_Row. If you have a new startup and are looking to promote it, we???ll give you a free table at YAPC! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 25576 bytes Desc: not available URL: From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 10 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] BlueHost has become a sponsor of YAPC::NA 2012! And... Message-ID: <4fab7584.28bdb60a.4163.08a9@mx.google.com> [http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3rzjdT1mq1qm5pt2o1_250.png] BlueHosthas become a sponsor of YAPC::NA_2012! And they???re hiring! Bluehost is one of the leading web hosting firms in the United States.? The company has a rock solid shared hosting platform to support individuals, professionals and small businesses. In addition, Bluehost has the best customer support rating (NPS) in the industry. All? development at? Bluehost is done with Perl.? The? development team has a number of senior Perl developers who are regular contributors to CPAN, having written modules such as CGI::EX and Template::Alloy. One of the? Bluehost? developers helped write Strawberry Perl. If you are interested in joining a leading edge Perl development shop, come talk to us at the YAPC job fair.? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Well discuss the advantages, limitations and lingering problems. ? Well cover local::lib, cpanm, Dist::Zilla, carton, pinto and how much I hate all of them. Well culminate with a self-contained, repeatable, upgradeable Perl application and only a few unsolved gotchas. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Sat May 12 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sat, 12 May 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Introduction to Performance Tuning Perl Web Applications Message-ID: <4fae1884.4574b60a.2102.2c31@mx.google.com> Perrin Harkins will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as:? Your new viral marketing campaign is working a little too well? ? Servers are melting? ? Step right up. This talk will show you how to use CPAN tools to find and fix performance problems in your web application. ? The focus will be on using modules to simulate visitors and analyze performance, with some practical advice about possible fixes for different kinds of problems. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Sun May 13 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sun, 13 May 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Only 1 Month To YAPC::NA Message-ID: <4faf6a03.4632b60a.14a1.ffff94ab@mx.google.com> If you havent already made your final travel arrangements for YAPC::NA_2012, what are you waiting for?? Its only one month to the conference, get on it already. Remember, YAPC::NA 2012 is May 13-15 in Madison, WI. See you there. And bring your_spouse! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And others still have brought up the idea of various board games like Settlers of Catan, Apples to Apples, Carcassonne, Trivial Pursuit, Pandemic, Bang!, and more. Whatever your flavor, bring a game to YAPC! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Mon May 14 17:00:50 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 20:00:50 -0400 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner signups (scholarships available!) Message-ID: <4FB19CB2.7080006@stemsystems.com> hi all, yapc::na is less than a month away. it is time for you to signup for the arrival dinner. you can do so on the wiki page at: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner with over 400 attendees and 100 taking classes beforehand, i am sure we will get about 100 arrival dinner attendees. but signing up is the best way to assure you will get in. walk-ins are welcome but moe's (as is always the case) would like a reasonably accurate head count before the event. just add your name/id to the list at the bottom of the page. if you are bringing someone put a +N after your name. there will be drink specials (1/2 priced margarita pitchers is one probably) but i am working out the details still. and please bring cash to make handling the bill much easier. i will be looking for an assistant there to help me with collecting for that. email me off list if you want to help. also assuming the 100 attendees or so, we will have scholarships for about 8-10 students/underemployed people. email me off list to ask for one of those slots. first come, first served on those as they are limited. thanx, uri From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 14 21:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 00:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Hackathon Extended! Message-ID: <4fb1d4c3.04a93c0a.4b72.6e09@mx.google.com> Due to a cancellation by someone else using the building, weve been able to add an additional 40 seats to the Hackathon on June 11th and 12th before YAPC:: NA_2012. So if you can make it into town early, and want to stop by, then by all means do so. Well officially have room for you.? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autarch at urth.org Mon May 14 21:21:30 2012 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:21:30 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] Hackathon Extended! In-Reply-To: <4fb1d4c3.04a93c0a.4b72.6e09@mx.google.com> References: <4fb1d4c3.04a93c0a.4b72.6e09@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 15 May 2012, YAPC::NA Director wrote: > Due to a cancellation by someone else using the building, we?ve been able to add an additional 40 seats to the Hackathon on June 11th and 12th > before YAPC::NA 2012. So if you can make it into town early, and want to stop by, then by all means do so. We?ll officially have room for you.? Do we need to buy a ticket for the Hackathon, or is now open to anyone? I can't see how to buy one on the site. Thanks, -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 14 21:35:18 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 23:35:18 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Hackathon Extended! In-Reply-To: References: <4fb1d4c3.04a93c0a.4b72.6e09@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7B282864-3CC7-4A8F-A162-EF06B05EF521@yapcna.org> It's open to all. Sent from my iPhone On May 14, 2012, at 11:21 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Tue, 15 May 2012, YAPC::NA Director wrote: > >> Due to a cancellation by someone else using the building, we?ve been able to add an additional 40 seats to the Hackathon on June 11th and 12th >> before YAPC::NA 2012. So if you can make it into town early, and want to stop by, then by all means do so. We?ll officially have room for you. > > Do we need to buy a ticket for the Hackathon, or is now open to anyone? I can't see how to buy one on the site. > > > Thanks, > > -dave > > /*============================================================ > http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org > Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) > ============================================================*/ > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From admin at yapcna.org Tue May 15 05:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 15 May 2012 08:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Data::Printer - A New Look on Dumping Variables Message-ID: <4fb24543.48033c0a.663b.ffff8fcc@mx.google.com> Brenno de Oliveira will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Data::Printer is a simple and powerful solution to viewing your complex Perl data structures. Contrary to Data::Dumper and similars which stringify your data in a restrictive way so it can be evald back into your code, Data:: Printer cares only about letting you easily see whats in there using colors, filters, a lot of customization and no hassle. In this talk Ill showcase Data::Printer and walk through some of its main usage scenarios, customization, filters, and general tips for you to tame your variables! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <4fb4e843.089bb60a.4f7a.ffff9e8f@mx.google.com> Bruce Gray will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Why do you use my instead of our? When should you use our? Why not use vars? Why does `use strict` catch $typo, but not $Data::Dumper::typo? Why do *you* need to care about namespaces? And what are they really? Why does your module name need to agree with your package statement? What happens if it doesnt? Most of the answers are easy to learn, but much harder to remember, so many Perl programmers end up doing the right thing only through repeated references to examples and docs. The answers become both clear *and* memorable in this talk, via a rapid walk through the history of Perl.? As we skim the timeline of key language elements, you will see the problems they were needed to solve, and understand where and how they should be used. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Fri May 18 08:50:21 2012 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:50:21 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC Game Night In-Reply-To: <4fb16443.e55bb60a.7832.4d92@mx.google.com> References: <4fb16443.e55bb60a.7832.4d92@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <930F70DF-030D-4069-9E28-DCB6FD722631@shadowcat.co.uk> On May 14, 2012, at 16:00, YAPC::NA Director wrote: > As many of you know, cPanel is sponsoring a game night at YAPC::NA 2012 with food and drinks for all. > > To ensure that everyone has something to play The Perl Foundation, LiquidWeb, and The Game Crafter have teamed up to make custom Perl & YAPC themed playing cards that will be yours to take home as a keepsake of the event. The Game Crafter will also be providing a small amount of mini-poker chips in case any of you wish to start an impromptu poker tournament. > > All that said, we?d like to encourage you to bring your own games for YAPC Game Night. We know some people will be running the Pathfinder Role Playing Game. Others have said they?d like to do a LAN party perhaps playing Diablo III, Team Fortress 2, Left4Dead 2, or Portal 2. And others still have brought up the idea of various board games like Settlers of Catan, Apples to Apples, Carcassonne, Trivial Pursuit, Pandemic, Bang!, and more. Whatever your flavor, bring a game to YAPC! Where can I see a list of things people have volunteered to run? Additionally, is there a page where I can submit things I'd like to run? Other than the blog post I know very little about what's going on. I would be interested in running a Pathfinder module (We Be Goblins!, for those familiar / curious) but without a list of who's running what I doubt I'll have enough people to do so. -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From admin at yapcna.org Fri May 18 09:06:12 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 11:06:12 -0500 Subject: [yapc] YAPC Game Night In-Reply-To: <930F70DF-030D-4069-9E28-DCB6FD722631@shadowcat.co.uk> References: <4fb16443.e55bb60a.7832.4d92@mx.google.com> <930F70DF-030D-4069-9E28-DCB6FD722631@shadowcat.co.uk> Message-ID: <64DEC247-8245-464B-9278-E46B2C7AD9E4@yapcna.org> > Where can I see a list of things people have volunteered to run? Additionally, is there a page where I can submit things I'd like to run? Other than the blog post I know very little about what's going on. I would be interested in running a Pathfinder module (We Be Goblins!, for those familiar / curious) but without a list of who's running what I doubt I'll have enough people to do so. I created a wiki page for it: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Game%20Night And I'll make a blog post about the wiki page next week. Thanks for reminding me to do that. From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Fri May 18 11:09:48 2012 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Fri, 18 May 2012 14:09:48 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC Game Night In-Reply-To: <64DEC247-8245-464B-9278-E46B2C7AD9E4@yapcna.org> References: <4fb16443.e55bb60a.7832.4d92@mx.google.com> <930F70DF-030D-4069-9E28-DCB6FD722631@shadowcat.co.uk> <64DEC247-8245-464B-9278-E46B2C7AD9E4@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <20120518180948.GE17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 11:06:12 -0500 , JT Smith wrote: > > Where can I see a list of things people have volunteered to run? > > Additionally, is there a page where I can submit things I'd like to > > run? Other than the blog post I know very little about what's going > > on. I would be interested in running a Pathfinder module (We Be > > Goblins!, for those familiar / curious) but without a list of who's > > running what I doubt I'll have enough people to do so. > > I created a wiki page for it: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Game%20Night > > And I'll make a blog post about the wiki page next week. Thanks for > reminding me to do that. Excellent, thanks! For those who are interested, I have added an entry for the Pathfinder module to that page. Please respond to me at this address if you're interested in playing. It'll probably be three or so hours worth of gametime after some prepwork in terms of selecting pregen characters and the like. If you don't want to play a pregen, let me know and we can work something out. For those not familiar with Pathfinder, it's an evolution of the D&D 3.5 rules with some patches and bugs cleaned up (grappling, for example, is now much simpler). It's not a reimagining of the rules like 4E and is largely compatible with all the existing 3.5 material. I'm quite fond of it, and will be talking about a CLI app I wrote to help run RPGs (starting with Pathfinder) at YAPC as well. -- Chris Nehren | Coder, Sysadmin, Masochist Shadowcat Systems Ltd. | http://shadowcat.co.uk/ From admin at yapcna.org Sat May 19 09:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sat, 19 May 2012 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Modeling Physical Systems with Modern Object Oriented Perl Message-ID: <4fb7c383.4632b60a.14d5.67b7@mx.google.com> Joel Berger will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Many scientists use Fortran for their numeric modeling. Some of my fellow Ph.D. candidates have done all of their work in Mathematica. Closer to home, L provides Perl with some really nice numerical array handling power. Still, all of these tools left me looking for something higher level. In this talk I will present some of the modeling paradigms I have been using in my research. These simulations model physical systems as Perl objects (rapid designing of classes via L). Dynamics are closures which genereated by some objects and influence others. Using this paradigm, simulations are written quickly and are tremendously flexible and extensible. For the majority of the talk, I will use a Perl-level fixed time-step differential equations solver. At the end, I will introduce (ever so briefly) my L module, which I use to solve systems of differential equations which are made of closures over these object/closure systems. I hope this talk will show that high-level languages can be used to model physical systems and make it feel very natural to the Perl programmer. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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YAPC, which is only three days, will have over 400 people moving around between talks, between buildings, and to other places in Madison. Theres a lot more going on besides the conference schedule: you dont need to show up to hear the talks (theyll_be_uploaded), but you do need to be there to hang out with people, carry on unstructured conversations in real life, and drink with other attendees. The problem, though, is that many things are already in motion by the time that you step up to the registration table to get your badge. YAPCs have been going on for over a decade and many of the people already know each other in meatspace. They already know who theyll go out with in the evening, they already know who they want to pair program with, and . You need to start planning your YAPC strategy early and start lining up the things you want to accomplish. Your employer might be paying for your way to YAPC, including the workshop fees, the conference ticket, and accommodations. Find out what your boss wants you to come back with. Maybe its nothing in particular, which means youre mostly done. However, by letting your boss know that you care about bringing something back to the company, you might (should) get a boost in your performance review. If theres something that your boss wants, now you know what that is. Thats better than guessing. Theres an impressive job fair this year. If youre looking for a job, start researching the companies. The most important information might be geography: where are their jobs? Talk to the recruiters before you get there, maybe setting up an interview. Find out who you know who already works there and will be at the conference. Your programmer friends might have changed jobs and now be at one of those companies. Its often easier to get in through a referral instead of cold-calling a recruiter. If theres someone that you want to talk to at the conference, let them know before you show up. Get in their mental queue before everyone else does. When Ive done this, Ive offered beer, and sometimes dinner. While most groups dont mind more people joining them, if you need to have someones attention, you might want to set up something private ahead of time. You might have a project to promote. The excitement of a YAPC, where 100 other people have projects they are trying to promote, is going to suck the excitement out of yours. That is, unless you start first by blogging, tweeting, or redditing that youre going to YAPC and what youre doing there and what help you need. Suck up the attendee capacity before someone else does. Show up with a long list of things you want to get out of YAPC. You probably wont get everything done, but shoot for the moon and hit the haystack. Dont worry about the things that you cant do. Meet some people that you can talk to after the conference. You can get some of them done later. Youll probably find that some of the things that you thought were important really werent, so you dont care about those. You cant always get what you want but if you try sometimes, you might find you get want you need. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 21 17:00:04 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Mon, 21 May 2012 20:00:04 -0400 Subject: At YAPC::NA 2012 we’re introducing YAPC Bingo! These cards... Message-ID: <4fbad705.43a5b60a.41ce.1f77@mx.google.com> [http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m47z698nuc1qm5pt2o1_400.png] At YAPC::NA_2012 we?re introducing YAPC Bingo! These cards are a fun way to help make sure you get the most out of YAPC. You can cross each thing off as you accomplish it working your way toward a bingo. Or maybe, if you?re an over achiever, you?ll attempt to cross off all 25 and achieve a mega-bingo! 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Message-ID: <4fbd7a05.68053c0a.4ddb.ffffcff5@mx.google.com> [http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m47zjtSdlc1qm5pt2o1_500.jpg] At YAPC::NA_2012 we?re introducing social badge ribbons. At the registration desk you?ll be able to choose ribbons to apply to your badge as a call out to other attendees about who you are or what you do. You?ll be able to choose from interest areas like ?DBIx::Class? and ?Web Frameworks? to roles like ?Author? and ?Speaker? to fun stuff like ?Crotchety? and ?Rockstar?. There will be dozens of different types of ribbons available. We hope you make use of this tool to make new social connections at YAPC. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Thu May 24 05:36:32 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:36:32 +0100 Subject: [yapc] yapc::na arrival dinner In-Reply-To: <4FBDACCF.6090905@stemsystems.com> References: <4FBDACCF.6090905@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <20120524123632.GN19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 11:36:47PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > hi all, > > another reminder to sign up to the arrival dinner. this is always a > blast. it is the first opportunity to meet the many perl people you know > on-line or from books, etc. it is very informal and loose and you can > talk to anyone you run into. I'll make sure to bring some Hallway++ signs as well, though based on previous years I doubt we'll need them to get people talking. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Thu May 24 05:37:41 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:37:41 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers Message-ID: <20120524123741.GO19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> There seem to be a bunch of attendees who -weren't- automatically signed up to this mailing list. This is a bug, since it's the primary broadcast system for contacting all YAPC attendees. Does anybody know who I need to bribe to get this fixed? -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Thu May 24 05:56:15 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 13:56:15 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120524123741.GO19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120524125615.GP19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:44:55AM -0400, Rex Roof wrote: > As someone that wants to know about upcoming YAPC events, but who isn't > going to YAPC this year, > I'm wondering why there isn't a separate list for current YAPC attendees. This is only the YAPC::NA list anyway - YAPC::EverythingElse happens elselist. So, basically, this *is* that separate list, it's just it's never auto *un*subscribed people who turned up one year since, well, most of them keep turning up if they can anyway and like being on the list even if they can't one year. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 24 06:01:35 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:01:35 -0500 Subject: [yapc] =?windows-1252?q?At_YAPC=3A=3ANA_2012_we=92re_introducing_?= =?windows-1252?q?social_badge_ribbons=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <20120524123035.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <4fbd7a05.68053c0a.4ddb.ffffcff5@mx.google.com> <20120524123035.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <54062EC6-CC8D-4C54-8FD8-551E4C547A99@yapcna.org> > Excellent. Where's the page for us to propose what we want on them? There isn't one. We had a brainstorming session at the last YAPC::NA Planning meeting. We had to have them custom made, which takes time, and we only thought of it recently. > I'd be a lot more interested to have a Hallway++ ribbon than a DBIx::Class > one, for example You are certainly welcome to bring your own custom ribbons to YAPC. > - and "Rockstar" is basically just offensive so you > probably don't want to do that one at all. Excellent. As part of our brain storming session we sat around for hours wondering what ribbon we could create that would offend you. I'm glad we succeeded. =) From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 24 06:04:29 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:04:29 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120524123741.GO19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120524123741.GO19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I, however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse to auto-subscribe everyone. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On May 24, 2012, at 7:37 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > There seem to be a bunch of attendees who -weren't- automatically signed > up to this mailing list. > > This is a bug, since it's the primary broadcast system for contacting all > YAPC attendees. > > Does anybody know who I need to bribe to get this fixed? > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I suppose I should clip one to my badge in that case, people are forever telling me I look more like a bass player than a programmer anyway. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu May 24 06:10:27 2012 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 06:10:27 -0700 Subject: [yapc] =?utf-8?q?At_YAPC=3A=3ANA_2012_we=E2=80=99re_introducing_s?= =?utf-8?q?ocial_badge_ribbons=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: <54062EC6-CC8D-4C54-8FD8-551E4C547A99@yapcna.org> References: <4fbd7a05.68053c0a.4ddb.ffffcff5@mx.google.com> <20120524123035.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <54062EC6-CC8D-4C54-8FD8-551E4C547A99@yapcna.org> Message-ID: On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:01 AM, JT Smith wrote: >> Excellent. Where's the page for us to propose what we want on them? > > There isn't one. We had a brainstorming session at the last YAPC::NA Planning meeting. We had to have them custom made, which takes time, and we only thought of it recently. Why do they have to be custom-made? A quick googling for "convention ribbons" yields: * http://www.marcopromotionalproducts.com/ribbons.html?promotion=PPCRibbons&ex_phone=877.859.1021&gclid=CPGRgpn_mLACFUMCQAodjHHp2w * http://www.pcnametag.com/ribbon-subcategory1-2.aspx?ne_ppc_id=1248&ne_key_id=11971856&ne_sadid=9854015724&gclid=CK-Dhpz_mLACFeEDQAod837x0g Neither of them have minimum required purchases and have several hundred options each. Rob From chairman at yapc2010.com Thu May 24 06:20:00 2012 From: chairman at yapc2010.com (Heath Bair) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 09:20:00 -0400 Subject: [yapc] =?windows-1252?q?At_YAPC=3A=3ANA_2012_we=92re_introducing_?= =?windows-1252?q?social_badge_ribbons=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: <4fbd7a05.68053c0a.4ddb.ffffcff5@mx.google.com> <20120524123035.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <54062EC6-CC8D-4C54-8FD8-551E4C547A99@yapcna.org> Message-ID: JT: If you give me your mailing address I will purchase this ribbon pack http://www.pcnametag.com/product-FUN_TITLES_RIBBON_PACK-110.aspx And have it mailed to you for YAPC. Heath On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:01 AM, JT Smith wrote: >>> Excellent. Where's the page for us to propose what we want on them? >> >> There isn't one. We had a brainstorming session at the last YAPC::NA Planning meeting. We had to have them custom made, which takes time, and we only thought of it recently. > > Why do they have to be custom-made? A quick googling for "convention > ribbons" yields: > > * http://www.marcopromotionalproducts.com/ribbons.html?promotion=PPCRibbons&ex_phone=877.859.1021&gclid=CPGRgpn_mLACFUMCQAodjHHp2w > * http://www.pcnametag.com/ribbon-subcategory1-2.aspx?ne_ppc_id=1248&ne_key_id=11971856&ne_sadid=9854015724&gclid=CK-Dhpz_mLACFeEDQAod837x0g > > Neither of them have minimum required purchases and have several > hundred options each. > > Rob > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Heath Cell:? (440) 289-9820 From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 24 06:34:54 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 08:34:54 -0500 Subject: [yapc] =?utf-8?q?At_YAPC=3A=3ANA_2012_we=E2=80=99re_introducing_s?= =?utf-8?q?ocial_badge_ribbons=2E=2E=2E=2E?= In-Reply-To: References: <4fbd7a05.68053c0a.4ddb.ffffcff5@mx.google.com> <20120524123035.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <54062EC6-CC8D-4C54-8FD8-551E4C547A99@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <4C492D40-B9FE-4BB5-99BE-C286E7E74747@yapcna.org> Actually I purchased 50 of each of the ribbons in that pack already. The custom ones I was talking about are the Perl related ones. Sent from my iPhone On May 24, 2012, at 8:20 AM, Heath Bair wrote: > JT: > > If you give me your mailing address I will purchase this ribbon pack > http://www.pcnametag.com/product-FUN_TITLES_RIBBON_PACK-110.aspx > > And have it mailed to you for YAPC. > > Heath > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Rob Kinyon wrote: >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 6:01 AM, JT Smith wrote: >>>> Excellent. Where's the page for us to propose what we want on them? >>> >>> There isn't one. We had a brainstorming session at the last YAPC::NA Planning meeting. We had to have them custom made, which takes time, and we only thought of it recently. >> >> Why do they have to be custom-made? A quick googling for "convention >> ribbons" yields: >> >> * http://www.marcopromotionalproducts.com/ribbons.html?promotion=PPCRibbons&ex_phone=877.859.1021&gclid=CPGRgpn_mLACFUMCQAodjHHp2w >> * http://www.pcnametag.com/ribbon-subcategory1-2.aspx?ne_ppc_id=1248&ne_key_id=11971856&ne_sadid=9854015724&gclid=CK-Dhpz_mLACFeEDQAod837x0g >> >> Neither of them have minimum required purchases and have several >> hundred options each. >> >> Rob >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Heath > Cell: (440) 289-9820 From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 24 13:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 24 May 2012 16:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] DuckDuckHack Message-ID: <4fbe9344.46193c0a.280c.0d89@mx.google.com> DuckDuckGo has launched a new plugin system that enables individual developers and Perl community members to build plugins on DuckDuckGo (http:// duckduckhack.com/). The plugins will be available for all our users. Gabriels post introduces the plugin platform and different ways to get started: http:// ye.gg/ddh [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Fri May 25 05:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 08:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] DBIx::Class - the whirlwind overview Message-ID: <4fbf7443.6730b60a.68f4.41c0@mx.google.com> Frew Schmidt will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as:? This talk will be a whirlwind overview based on the talk I did a couple years ago. ? The general overview version of that talk ended up in https://metacpan.org/module/DBIx::Class::Manual::Features. ? This talk will cover (most of) that material, but additionally at least give examples of more advanced topics like correlated subqueries, deployment with DBIx::Class::DeploymentHandler, and will additionally have a bit of my own opinions on modules you should be using with DBIx::Class. Beginners will certainly find the talk a good jumping off point for DBIC, but I hope to include about 10-20 minutes of advanced topics at the end if seasoned users want to join late. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 06:38:57 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:38:57 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers Message-ID: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I, however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse to auto-subscribe everyone. Previous years that wasn't a problem since the organisers showed some restraint about what they posted. This year, I'm getting reports that this list is getting classified as spam due to the re-posting of blog posts. Next year when somebody else runs YAPC::NA they may not be able to do that without creating a new list for the original purpose. Maybe the daily spam would be better on a separate list? -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 25 10:03:14 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 13:03:14 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> On 05/25/2012 09:38 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: >> Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I, however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse to auto-subscribe everyone. > we have always autosubscribed attendees to the list and it is not an optin/optout issue. many attendees are first timers and don't know about the mailing list. even if they were notified by the web site when they bought their pass, many would not see it. no one has ever complained about the autosubscribe in 10 years. attending yapc is a community thing and we did lots of communication on the list. this is why i am seeing such a low response to the arrival dinner, many of the attendees are not seeing the emails. this has to be changed IMO and even fixed now. this is not spamming at all. if you want your blogs and posts to be seen by all interested parties, then subscribe all of the attendees now while we have 2 weeks left before yapc. other than you and a bit from me, this list is dead. it has been a very lively place in past yapcs and that was only because of the autosubscribe. > > Maybe the daily spam would be better on a separate list? fine with me but again, autosubscribe all the attendees. knowing about the various talks like this is good. it reminds people about talks they might want to see and without having to keep rereading the schedule and clicking on each talk to get its blurb. having a list with few on it is a waste. you have 400 attendees and this list should be a prime way for them and you to communicate. the wiki is also a dead space because no one knows it is there. 2 bofs scheduled so far? unheard of before. that is a direct result of not autosubscribing. i repeat, no one has ever said autosubscribe to the yapc list was spamming. it was considered a nice service. uri From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 10:57:24 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:57:24 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <20120525175724.GF19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 01:03:14PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 05/25/2012 09:38 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > >On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > >>Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I, > >>however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse > >>to auto-subscribe everyone. > > > > we have always autosubscribed attendees to the list and it is not an > optin/optout issue. many attendees are first timers and don't know about > the mailing list. even if they were notified by the web site when they > bought their pass, many would not see it. no one has ever complained > about the autosubscribe in 10 years. attending yapc is a community thing > and we did lots of communication on the list. this is why i am seeing > such a low response to the arrival dinner, many of the attendees are not > seeing the emails. this has to be changed IMO and even fixed now. this > is not spamming at all. if you want your blogs and posts to be seen by > all interested parties, then subscribe all of the attendees now while we > have 2 weeks left before yapc. other than you and a bit from me, this > list is dead. it has been a very lively place in past yapcs and that was > only because of the autosubscribe. Precisely. I'm expecting to have to have Hallway++ people camp the registration desk to make sure that people who're at their first YAPC even find out it exists. Not having all attendees on here has gutted our primary means of intra-community communication. > >Maybe the daily spam would be better on a separate list? > > fine with me but again, autosubscribe all the attendees. knowing about > the various talks like this is good. it reminds people about talks they > might want to see and without having to keep rereading the schedule and > clicking on each talk to get its blurb. Yes, but the auto-generated-ness is causing this list to start to get a spammy reputation in some filters, and I don't want next year's organisers to suffer from dropped emails since I fully expect they will auto-subscribe. It would probably be alright if it wasn't such an obviously generated email with weird formatting; so far it's only the generated ones that are getting spam bucketed to my knowledge. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 25 11:04:33 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:04:33 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525174315.GE19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525174315.GE19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FBFC9B1.70101@stemsystems.com> On 05/25/2012 01:43 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 01:03:14PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: >> On 05/25/2012 09:38 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: >>> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: >>>> Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I, >>>> however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse >>>> to auto-subscribe everyone. >>> >> >> we have always autosubscribed attendees to the list and it is not an >> optin/optout issue. many attendees are first timers and don't know about >> the mailing list. even if they were notified by the web site when they >> bought their pass, many would not see it. no one has ever complained >> about the autosubscribe in 10 years. attending yapc is a community thing >> and we did lots of communication on the list. this is why i am seeing >> such a low response to the arrival dinner, many of the attendees are not >> seeing the emails. this has to be changed IMO and even fixed now. this >> is not spamming at all. if you want your blogs and posts to be seen by >> all interested parties, then subscribe all of the attendees now while we >> have 2 weeks left before yapc. other than you and a bit from me, this >> list is dead. it has been a very lively place in past yapcs and that was >> only because of the autosubscribe. > > Precisely. I'm expecting to have to have Hallway++ people camp the > registration desk to make sure that people who're at their first YAPC > even find out it exists. > > Not having all attendees on here has gutted our primary means of > intra-community communication. if mst and i are in violent agreement here, there must be something right about our view to autosubscribe all attendees. it has always been that way with no complaints. mst and i have seen this list as he says above, is the PRIMARY means of communication about yapc. not having all attendees on this list cuts it off at the knees. notice we are seeing almost no emails from the larger attendee pool since they are not subscribed. we would have threads on travel issues. sharing rooms/cars, bofs, arrival dinner menus, etc. none of that is happening. jt said he wanted more energy by posting a blog a day which is all good but then he disables that very notion by not subscribing all attendees. and he didn't tell anyone or ask for feedback. he runs this yapc sure but he shouldn't have the only say in how this list is run and such. we expected this list to be used by the yapc attendees but it is dormant. example: i posted again about the arrival dinner. maybe 3-4 more people signed up to it. this is two weeks until yapc. that is absurd. i can't reach all the newcomers as they are not subscribed. this is an event many of them would want to go to but they don't know about it. i have no other way of telling them. the blog isn't read bu everyone (and nothing has been blogged yet about the arrival dinner). uri From david.romano at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:05:30 2012 From: david.romano at gmail.com (David Romano) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 11:05:30 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> Uri Guttman wrote on Fri, May 25, 2012 at 10:03:14AM MST: > On 05/25/2012 09:38 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > >On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > >>Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you want. I, > >>however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and therefore refuse to > >>auto-subscribe everyone. > > > > we have always autosubscribed attendees to the list and it is not an > optin/optout issue. many attendees are first timers and don't know > about the mailing list. ... While I am not attending YAPC::NA this year, I have to agree with Uri. When I first attended YAPC, I would have been very lost without having been subscribed to this list. Since then, I have lurked on the list and appreciate the wave of activity every year leading up to, and including, the YAPC. I really wanted to make it this year, but personal issues stopped me from scheduling time off from work. It seems that JT & Matt are concerned about spam, and Uri is worried about lack of communication, especially for new participants. Why not modify Act to provide an option during registration to subscribe to the mailing list? Rather than have a checkbox (which could lean towards either being opt-in *or* opt-out) have a radio button where the registrant has to select either "yes" or "no" to being subscribed to the mailing list, with the mailing list configurable by the YAPC organizer for that year. I know this doesn't address Uri's concern about this particular YAPC, but what do you all think of that solution for future YAPCs? -- David Romano .:. david.romano at gmail.com .:. http://rurs.us/ ---- "For in this place the tree of knowledge and the tree of life have been planted; but it is not the tree of knowledge that destroys - it is disobedience that proves destructive." -- The Epistle of Mathetes to Diognetus, Chapter 12 From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 11:11:40 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 19:11:40 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> Message-ID: <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:05:30AM -0700, David Romano wrote: > It seems that JT & Matt are concerned about spam, and Uri is worried about > lack of communication, especially for new participants. Why not modify Act to > provide an option during registration to subscribe to the mailing list? Rather > than have a checkbox (which could lean towards either being opt-in *or* > opt-out) have a radio button where the registrant has to select either "yes" > or "no" to being subscribed to the mailing list, with the mailing list > configurable by the YAPC organizer for that year. I know this doesn't address > Uri's concern about this particular YAPC, but what do you all think of that > solution for future YAPCs? I am slightly worried about JT's insistence on spamming the list with a badly formatted copy of his blog posts. I'm much *more* worried about JT's refusal to actually put the people he's trying to reach on the bloody list in the first place. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:17:03 2012 From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:17:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: This thread is _not_ spam? J.T. is doing a fine job. The issue is with certain people who desire strongly to _always_ be right about _everything_. Judging what I have seen in your posts, Matt, I do believe if I told you "water is wet", you'd disagree with me. I also feel if I told you "your name is Matt", you'd disagree with me. You don't always have to be right, you don't always have to be the smartest guy in the room, and, you should choose your battles. Your inane rambling in these posts has caused me to stop watching it. Nothing else. /bda PS: Fire away! PPS: Opt-in is always better to opt-out. On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:11 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 11:05:30AM -0700, David Romano wrote: > > It seems that JT & Matt are concerned about spam, and Uri is worried > about > > lack of communication, especially for new participants. Why not modify > Act to > > provide an option during registration to subscribe to the mailing list? > Rather > > than have a checkbox (which could lean towards either being opt-in *or* > > opt-out) have a radio button where the registrant has to select either > "yes" > > or "no" to being subscribed to the mailing list, with the mailing list > > configurable by the YAPC organizer for that year. I know this doesn't > address > > Uri's concern about this particular YAPC, but what do you all think of > that > > solution for future YAPCs? > > I am slightly worried about JT's insistence on spamming the list with a > badly > formatted copy of his blog posts. > > I'm much *more* worried about JT's refusal to actually put the people he's > trying to reach on the bloody list in the first place. > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a > clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ > http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our > Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 25 11:17:43 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:17:43 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> Message-ID: <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> On 05/25/2012 02:05 PM, David Romano wrote: > > It seems that JT& Matt are concerned about spam, and Uri is worried about > lack of communication, especially for new participants. Why not modify Act to > provide an option during registration to subscribe to the mailing list? Rather > than have a checkbox (which could lean towards either being opt-in *or* > opt-out) have a radio button where the registrant has to select either "yes" > or "no" to being subscribed to the mailing list, with the mailing list > configurable by the YAPC organizer for that year. I know this doesn't address > Uri's concern about this particular YAPC, but what do you all think of that > solution for future YAPCs? > if that is done i would want the yes option to be the default. but autosubscription is better IMO as opting out after that is easy and we never got any complaints. you go to yapc, you get on this list and can communicate with other yapc attendees. yapc is all about community and communication and this list is a solid part of that. i feel i am writing to /dev/null this year. it is not spam. it is community. uri From dan at dwright.org Fri May 25 11:34:53 2012 From: dan at dwright.org (Daniel Wright) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:34:53 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> The list seems to be running on Mailman, which does have a feature to mail out invitations to the list. Perhaps a good compromise here is to mail everybody going to YAPC an invitation to the list and some text explaining why they should. If they want to join, they just need to click the link. If they don't, then they ignore it and go on with their day. I was auto-subscribed to the list when I went to my first YAPC. I'm glad that happened. But since then, we've grown new ways to get information about the conference such as the blog page. The mailing list is now just one of several channels to get the exact same information. So maybe people are now more likely to want ways to get just the facts without all the discussion. -Dan From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Fri May 25 11:36:41 2012 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:36:41 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120525183641.GY17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> [top-posting considered harmful; please quote in context] On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 14:17:03 -0400 , Bradley Andersen wrote: > This thread is _not_ spam? Then you don't have to read it. I'm sure your MUA has an option to automatically mark messages as read. Even the Google Web UI can do that. > J.T. is doing a fine job. [...] [Two paragraphs of ad hominem snipped. Let's keep it civil and fact-based, please; this *is* a discussion for a technical event, after all] That's your opinion, and you are perfectly entitled to it. I do not see anywhere in this thread where mst or uri are saying JT is doing a horrible job altogether. This is merely a *suggestion* of how to reach more people and thus have an *even better* conference. It's meta, for sure, but by no means spam. Of course, the people making this argument are also rather opinionated and about as blunt as the side of a barn. Their approach has its merits and its drawbacks, for sure, but it doesn't warrant ad hominem. > PS: Fire away! This is neither welcome nor desired, and in saying things like this you lower yourself to the level where you imagine Matt to be. -- Chris Nehren | Coder, Sysadmin, Masochist Shadowcat Systems Ltd. | http://shadowcat.co.uk/ From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:38:39 2012 From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:38:39 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525183641.GY17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525183641.GY17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> Message-ID: Ah, another one, eh? If I have so lowered myself, why should it warrant a response? /bda On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:36 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > [top-posting considered harmful; please quote in context] > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 14:17:03 -0400 , Bradley Andersen wrote: > > This thread is _not_ spam? > > Then you don't have to read it. I'm sure your MUA has an option to > automatically mark messages as read. Even the Google Web UI can do that. > > > J.T. is doing a fine job. [...] > > [Two paragraphs of ad hominem snipped. Let's keep it civil and > fact-based, please; this *is* a discussion for a technical event, after > all] > > That's your opinion, and you are perfectly entitled to it. I do not see > anywhere in this thread where mst or uri are saying JT is doing a > horrible job altogether. This is merely a *suggestion* of how to reach > more people and thus have an *even better* conference. 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URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 25 11:41:24 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:41:24 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> Message-ID: <4FBFD254.9070608@stemsystems.com> On 05/25/2012 02:34 PM, Daniel Wright wrote: > The list seems to be running on Mailman, which does have a feature to > mail out invitations to the list. > > Perhaps a good compromise here is to mail everybody going to YAPC an > invitation to the list and some text explaining why they should. > If they want to join, they just need to click the link. If they > don't, then they ignore it and go on with their day. a fine idea. can someone do that asap so we don't lose more time before yapc? > > I was auto-subscribed to the list when I went to my first YAPC. I'm > glad that happened. But since then, we've grown new ways to get > information about the conference such as the blog page. The mailing > list is now just one of several channels to get the exact same > information. So maybe people are now more likely to want ways to > get just the facts without all the discussion. > again true, but do newcomers know about the blog and where it is? do they check it all the time? the mailing list is still a primary thing and should stay that way. if you don't like autosubscribe (and you did), then your mailman invitation idea is good. is that done when you sign up to attend? bulk each week with new signups? the target is yapc newbies who don't know the layout of the land. this is why autosubscribe is the winner here. uri From casey at geeknest.com Fri May 25 11:42:39 2012 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:42:39 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> Message-ID: Hi Dan, On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:34 PM, Daniel Wright wrote: > Perhaps a good compromise here is to mail everybody going to YAPC an > invitation to the list and some text explaining why they should. If they > want to join, they just need to click the link. If they don't, then they > ignore it and go on with their day. > This is a fantastic suggestion. :-) > The mailing list is now just one of several channels to get the exact same > information. So maybe people are now more likely to want ways to get just > the facts without all the discussion. > This is also a great point, but I want to highlight one of the advantages of the mailing list over the blog or Twitter, for example: The mailing list gives everyone a voice on a level playing field. The blog and Twitter only give the organizers a voice. As a community event the organizers aren't the only folks with information to share, but they do happen to control the widest means of distribution (including mailing list subscriptions). The benefits of auto-subscribe is that everyone attending can distribute information to the widest possible *interested* community members. There's a lot of value in that. 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It's busy running its own. -- Rocco Caputo From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 11:46:31 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 19:46:31 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Bradley Andersen wrote: > This thread is _not_ spam? This thread is an attempt to correct a decision that has led to this list not being full of relevant and useful discussion, but rather a wasteland of broadcasts by the organisers and the occasional plaintive missive from me trying to get the community to be given a chance to actually be involved. I'm sorry if it annoys you. I wish there was no such thread to be had. However, there is, and until the organisers make at least *some* attempt to correct the problem it's likely going to keep running whether I continue to post to it or not. Those of us who have been to previous YAPCs are painfully aware of what we're missing here. I'm not sure I can explain it if you haven't been part of it. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From richard.siddall at elirion.net Fri May 25 11:46:18 2012 From: richard.siddall at elirion.net (Richard Siddall) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:46:18 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFD254.9070608@stemsystems.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> <4FBFD254.9070608@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <4FBFD37A.8070507@elirion.net> Uri Guttman wrote: > again true, but do newcomers know about the blog and where it is? do > they check it all the time? the mailing list is still a primary thing > and should stay that way. if you don't like autosubscribe (and you did), > then your mailman invitation idea is good. is that done when you sign up > to attend? bulk each week with new signups? the target is yapc newbies > who don't know the layout of the land. this is why autosubscribe is the > winner here. > If we're changing the list settings, perhaps we could put links to the blog, twitter, etc. in the list footer. Richard. From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 11:48:14 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 19:48:14 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> Message-ID: <20120525184814.GK19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:34:53PM -0400, Daniel Wright wrote: > The list seems to be running on Mailman, which does have a feature to mail out invitations to the list. > > Perhaps a good compromise here is to mail everybody going to YAPC an invitation to the list and some text explaining why they should. If they want to join, they just need to click the link. If they don't, then they ignore it and go on with their day. That would be an excellent compromise. ONE email that permits people to opt in, and leaves alone those who don't, would seem like a fine solution. > I was auto-subscribed to the list when I went to my first YAPC. I'm glad that happened. But since then, we've grown new ways to get information about the conference such as the blog page. The mailing list is now just one of several channels to get the exact same information. So maybe people are now more likely to want ways to get just the facts without all the discussion. The list allows the community to talk to each other. The blog allows the organisers to broadcast what they believe people should hear. Both have their place. But we do need *both*, in my opinion. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com Fri May 25 11:51:52 2012 From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:51:52 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: It's fine. It was harsh of me to engage in ad hominem, especially without knowing you. I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have discussed it with the organizers several times. It's the same sort of bickering and attitude that prevented people in the bad old days from picking up Perl, because that's the sort of help they were likely to get asking questions in lists. I have decided that this attitude makes the conference less useful for me. Where I had planned to attend (yes, for the first time), give two talks, sponsor a couple folks, etc., I have now decided to not attend at all. If that's the intended point of these rants, well, they have hit their mark. I wish you all the best, I will not post to this list again. /bda On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Bradley Andersen wrote: > > This thread is _not_ spam? > > This thread is an attempt to correct a decision that has led to this list > not being full of relevant and useful discussion, but rather a wasteland of > broadcasts by the organisers and the occasional plaintive missive from me > trying to get the community to be given a chance to actually be involved. > > I'm sorry if it annoys you. > > I wish there was no such thread to be had. > > However, there is, and until the organisers make at least *some* attempt to > correct the problem it's likely going to keep running whether I continue to > post to it or not. > > Those of us who have been to previous YAPCs are painfully aware of what > we're > missing here. I'm not sure I can explain it if you haven't been part of it. > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a > clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ > http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our > Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I hope that in the future, it remains the norm. -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 12:15:41 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 20:15:41 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120525191541.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:51:52PM -0400, Bradley Andersen wrote: > It's fine. > > It was harsh of me to engage in ad hominem, especially without knowing you. > > I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have discussed it > with the organizers several times. I'm tired of having to do it on list. Sadly, the last time I tried to say off list "myself and others are concerned about this", the response I got from JT was: "How is that even remotely possible? You have nothing to do with running this show. Why would anybody ask you?" So instead, now we have a mess on the list of a bunch of the people in the wider community on whose behalf I was trying to get things fixed quietly without public drama speaking up to back up the point I'm trying to make. This is not an improvement, but if the organizers won't believe me when I say "I'm mst and people talk to me" then the only other option is to leave things broken, and I'm no good at leaving things broken that I think can still be fixed. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From darren at darrenduncan.net Fri May 25 12:26:22 2012 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 12:26:22 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FBFDCDE.2090202@darrenduncan.net> I strongly support sending all registered attendees an email saying that this list exists, such as a list invite. Or alternately an auto-subscription, which they can always then choose to un-subscribe from. It is much more important that everyone is informed than some worry about spam. But something has to be done by email, and it has to be done now, to best salvage the situation. -- Darren Duncan From sterling.daniel at gmail.com Fri May 25 12:34:47 2012 From: sterling.daniel at gmail.com (Daniel Sterling) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:34:47 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFDCDE.2090202@darrenduncan.net> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFDCDE.2090202@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: > I strongly support sending all registered attendees an email saying that > this list exists, such as a list invite. +1 I just signed up after finding out about this list for the first time via twitter. My first YAPC was last year and I'm just now finding out about this list! I also just started reading this rather long thread on the archives page. I apologize if this has already been covered, but is there anywhere I should go to get a jump-start on things I need to know? For example, Uri mentioned a dinner that people need to sign up for, I believe, but I don't see any mention of that in the places I looked on the web site: http://yapcna.org/conference , also the schedule page http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki - should there be a note here saying "Please sign up for some of the following" ? In short, I guess I'm asking, what have I missed? Do I need to sign up for anything? :) Thanks, Dan From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org Fri May 25 12:35:35 2012 From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:35:35 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525191541.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525191541.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120525193535.GA4182@cancer.codesimply.com> * Matt S Trout [2012-05-25T15:15:41] > "How is that even remotely possible? You have nothing to do with running this > show. Why would anybody ask you?" > > So instead, now we have a mess on the list of a bunch of the people in the > wider community on whose behalf I was trying to get things fixed quietly > without public drama speaking up to back up the point I'm trying to make. > > This is not an improvement, but if the organizers won't believe me when I > say "I'm mst and people talk to me" then the only other option is to leave > things broken, and I'm no good at leaving things broken that I think can > still be fixed. I occasionally get complaints that come with the rider, "It isn't just me, a lot of other people whom I cannot name also feel this way very strongly, and they are very upset." Crediting these unnamed complaints is a very tricky proposition. I hope that the message that any other readers of this thread take away is that complaints should always go to the people responsible for making changes. Matt and other people who have a high profile are not always going to be able to proxy for you, and frankly, nor should they always be able to. Heck, write the list. Then others will feel inspired to say, "Yeah, this surprised/upset/delighted me, too." ;) -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 25 12:48:46 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 15:48:46 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFDCDE.2090202@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <4FBFE21E.2080700@stemsystems.com> On 05/25/2012 03:34 PM, Daniel Sterling wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:26 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: >> I strongly support sending all registered attendees an email saying that >> this list exists, such as a list invite. > > +1 > > I just signed up after finding out about this list for the first time > via twitter. My first YAPC was last year and I'm just now finding out > about this list! > > I also just started reading this rather long thread on the archives > page. I apologize if this has already been covered, but is there > anywhere I should go to get a jump-start on things I need to know? For > example, Uri mentioned a dinner that people need to sign up for, I > believe, but I don't see any mention of that in the places I looked on > the web site: i have mentioned it a few times on this list with a link to the wiki page. if you scan the archives (i posted one the other day) you should find it. or go to the conference page, pull down the conf menu and go to the wiki. it is under the social stuff wiki page. and you are the perfect example of why we need to autosubscribe all yapc attendees. hope you don't mind being brought up as an example! :) thanx, uri From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 12:53:43 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 20:53:43 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525193535.GA4182@cancer.codesimply.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525191541.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525193535.GA4182@cancer.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <20120525195343.GM19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:35:35PM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote: > I occasionally get complaints that come with the rider, "It isn't just me, a > lot of other people whom I cannot name also feel this way very strongly, and > they are very upset." > > Crediting these unnamed complaints is a very tricky proposition. Honestly, I don't mind if people don't. What I mind is being blamed for there then being lots of individual complaints as a result, which is a mistake Bradley was making, not JT. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From jscarbrough at where2getit.com Fri May 25 12:55:39 2012 From: jscarbrough at where2getit.com (Jon Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 14:55:39 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525195343.GM19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525191541.GL19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525193535.GA4182@cancer.codesimply.com> <20120525195343.GM19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FBFE3BB.9010105@where2getit.com> I'm now complaining about this un-ending discussion! Take it offline. Regards, Jon On 05/25/2012 02:53 PM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 03:35:35PM -0400, Ricardo Signes wrote: >> I occasionally get complaints that come with the rider, "It isn't just me, a >> lot of other people whom I cannot name also feel this way very strongly, and >> they are very upset." >> >> Crediting these unnamed complaints is a very tricky proposition. > Honestly, I don't mind if people don't. > > What I mind is being blamed for there then being lots of individual > complaints as a result, which is a mistake Bradley was making, not JT. > From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 25 13:05:07 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:05:07 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FBFE5F3.3020001@stemsystems.com> On 05/25/2012 02:51 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote: > It's fine. > > > I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have discussed it > with the organizers several times. > > It's the same sort of bickering and attitude that prevented people in the > bad old days from picking up Perl, because that's the sort of help they > were likely to get asking questions in lists. > > I have decided that this attitude makes the conference less useful for me. > Where I had planned to attend (yes, for the first time), give two talks, > sponsor a couple folks, etc., I have now decided to not attend at all. If > that's the intended point of these rants, well, they have hit their mark. if basic bickering on a list stops you from coming to yapc (and you have two talks scheduled), you have a very thin skin. what is happening here isn't bickering, it is trying to reestablish a norm of 10+ years where attendees are subscribed to this list. it has obviously been for the detriment of this yapc as there has been almost no communication here but for the blog reposts and the few other threads. it is a real problem that matt and i (and many others have chimed in with their support) want to get fixed. notice how no one has said anything but support for this idea. if the yapc leader (jt) wants to have support for his choice he should have asked about it rather than unilaterally decided that autosubscribing is spamming. it isn't and we all (but him) agree with that. so you can choose what you want to do but this thread is vital to yapc and our community. if we had all attendees subscribed we wouldn't be having this thread and you would still be attending yapc. think about that while you mull this over. also by not attending you are causing more trouble by requiring replacement talks and also from your getting to know and be known by others. i.e. be a part of the perl community. and yapc's usually don't have too much bickering as most are having fun. which is why i arranged the arrival dinner. and why i am upset that so few know about it due to the subscribe issue. this is causing less fun to be had in a real sense and not about some bickering (which isn't even bickering as we all support the idea of subscribing). thanx, uri From davebaker at benefitslink.com Fri May 25 13:15:13 2012 From: davebaker at benefitslink.com (Dave Baker) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:15:13 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <4FBFE851.6010001@benefitslink.com> Brad, I really hope you will come. I'll buy you a beer (or two). "Ignore the man behind the curtain!" as was said in the Wizard of Oz (who turns out in the end to be a really great guy, once he comes out from behind the curtain/mailing list). Sometimes there is butting of heads (ramming of horns) among this gang of brilliant and eccentric geeks, but in my experience it's rarely over personalities or pride. It's about the merits of a particular idea, proposition or piece of code. The ability to care passionately about something that affects a community, pulling as hard as you can on your end of the rope while the sweat stings your eyes and your heels get dirty and skinned on the grass, is actually refreshing in these days when image and popularity usually obscure a lively debate on the merits. You'll enjoy it. Push back. You already have, actually, and I think you make a good point. Dave Baker On 5/25/2012 2:51 PM, Bradley Andersen wrote: > It's fine. > > It was harsh of me to engage in ad hominem, especially without knowing > you. > > I have long ago grown tired of bickering on this list - I have > discussed it with the organizers several times. > > It's the same sort of bickering and attitude that prevented people in > the bad old days from picking up Perl, because that's the sort of help > they were likely to get asking questions in lists. > > I have decided that this attitude makes the conference less useful for > me. Where I had planned to attend (yes, for the first time), give two > talks, sponsor a couple folks, etc., I have now decided to not attend > at all. If that's the intended point of these rants, well, they have > hit their mark. > > I wish you all the best, > I will not post to this list again. > /bda > > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 2:46 PM, Matt S Trout > > wrote: > > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 02:17:03PM -0400, Bradley Andersen wrote: > > This thread is _not_ spam? > > This thread is an attempt to correct a decision that has led to > this list > not being full of relevant and useful discussion, but rather a > wasteland of > broadcasts by the organisers and the occasional plaintive missive > from me > trying to get the community to be given a chance to actually be > involved. > > I'm sorry if it annoys you. > > I wish there was no such thread to be had. > > However, there is, and until the organisers make at least *some* > attempt to > correct the problem it's likely going to keep running whether I > continue to > post to it or not. > > Those of us who have been to previous YAPCs are painfully aware of > what we're > missing here. I'm not sure I can explain it if you haven't been > part of it. > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit > bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ > http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk > and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help > your team. > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- *David R. Baker* Editor and Publisher BenefitsLink.com (407) 644-4146 office (Eastern time) (828) 507-3955 cell davebaker at benefitslink.com /Use *EmployeeBenefitsJobs.com * to find the best jobs and candidates!/ /...and *BenefitsLink.com * for the latest news, discussions and events./ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nanis at cpan.org Fri May 25 13:18:28 2012 From: nanis at cpan.org (A. Sinan Unur) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:18:28 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc Digest, Vol 70, Issue 32 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:56 PM, wrote: > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 12:26:22 -0700 > From: Darren Duncan > To: yapc at pm.org > Subject: Re: [yapc] Missing subcribers > Message-ID: <4FBFDCDE.2090202 at darrenduncan.net> ... > I strongly support sending all registered attendees an email saying that this > list exists, such as a list invite. ?Or alternately an auto-subscription, which > they can always then choose to un-subscribe from. FWIW, I agree, +1, AOL ;-) -- Sinan -- A. Sinan Unur http://www.unur.com/sinan/ From jkeen at verizon.net Fri May 25 13:54:54 2012 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:54:54 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <20120525185153.GA3994@cancer.codesimply.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <4FBFCCC7.5050603@stemsystems.com> <7A6FDA5B-A198-4349-89A8-E5466927B100@dwright.org> <20120525185153.GA3994@cancer.codesimply.com> Message-ID: <4FBFF19E.4060807@verizon.net> On 5/25/12 2:51 PM, Ricardo Signes wrote: > * Daniel Wright [2012-05-25T14:34:53] >> The list seems to be running on Mailman, which does have a feature to mail >> out invitations to the list. >> >> Perhaps a good compromise here is to mail everybody going to YAPC an >> invitation to the list and some text explaining why they should. > > That does seem pretty reasonable. > > I'd also like to join the chorus of those saying that being joined to the list > was, in years past, very useful for me. As it has been for me as well. This will be my 13th YAPC::NA. I know that I was not subscribed to the list before I went to my first YAPC (Pittsburgh, 2000). Nor do I know whether I consciously subscribed to the list or was opted-in at some poing. But I do know that since at least 2003 I have always looked forward to that point in the spring when activity on this list picks up. As Uri has noted, the Arrivals Dinner has always been organized via this list, as have many other logistical details. Our use of this list enables us to enrich the conference in ways that even the most brilliant volunteer conference organizers would not have time to undertake. (There have been years when, for reasons I don't understand, the conference organizers did not put a lot of effort into posting to the list, and I think those years' conferences suffered as a result.) So I strongly concur that: 1. For this year's YAPC, everyone not on the list be sent an email immediately asking them to subscribe. 2. For future YAPCs, everyone be subscribed upon registration but provided with an Unsubscribe link. Virtually everyone who would attend a YAPC has used a Mailman-interface to subscribe or unsubscribe from a list, so there's no technological barrier here. (And, as a side note, I have to shoulder part of the responsibility/blame for some of what irks people. Last year, when conference organizer JT started his daily tweeting about the conference, I wrote to him saying, "Why aren't you putting this on the YAPC list?") I hope we can now turn our discussion of where to find the best beer in Madison. Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From admin at yapcna.org Fri May 25 14:09:18 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:09:18 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFE5F3.3020001@stemsystems.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFE5F3.3020001@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <23032535-B0F9-4F76-81AA-E0F9EE68DF49@yapcna.org> First, let me address the issue of keeping our attendees informed. I will be sending a personal email to each letting them know about this list, the blog, and important activities like game night and the (anti)arrival dinner. From there they can choose what mechanism they wish to use to keep up to date for the next 2-3 weeks until the conference. Second, it is simply untrue that every YAPC has subscribed their attendees to this list. I've been to at least six YAPC's and I didn't know about this list until December of 2011. Third, YAPC organizers have been doing a tremendous job running YAPC's for over a decade, and they do this despite self-important grandstanding like has gone on in this thread, not because of it. I have listened to your feedback, assimilated it, and made a decision not to subscribe the attendees to this list. It is my decision to make, because The Perl Foundation chose me to run this conference. If you wish to make these decisions, The Perl Foundation is still looking for someone to run YAPC::NA next year, submit an application: http://news.perlfoundation.org/2012/04/yapcna-2013-call-for-venue.html JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From afbach at gmail.com Fri May 25 14:11:32 2012 From: afbach at gmail.com (Andy Bach) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:11:32 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Beer here! (was: Missing subscribers) Message-ID: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > I hope we can now turn our discussion of where to find the best beer in > Madison. An easy one at last! Everywhere. We like beer here in WI, from Point ("it's not just for breakfast!") to Lake Louie (on the greasy banks of the Wisconsin River) to Milwaukee's Cream City (named for the creamy colored bricks made there), we got more brewery's than you can shake a stick at, if that's your idea of a good time. In Madison, the Capital brewery and Ale Asylum are bit of a walk from the conference location but fortunately they sell their stuff all up and down State st. The Great Dane Brew Pub isn't too far, though personally, I think their beer is just okay, mostly. Good pool tables and food though. -- a Andy Bach, afbach at gmail.com 608 658-1890 cell 608 261-5738 wk From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 14:14:06 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:14:06 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Hallway++ - a new way to mingle, meet and network Message-ID: <20120525211406.GP19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> I've noticed that there've been a few attempts at getting people to get to know each other, but of course directly organised social events aren't always the best way, and chance meetings in the halls are often the best part of YAPC for a lot of people. It occurred to me that there were times during my first couple of YAPCs where I wanted to meet somebody, but didn't have anything specific in mind to talk to them about; but would have felt like I was imposing if I joined a conversation they were already having and then didn't contribute. More recently, I've noticed that I love it when people do that, and the real problem is the sense that one might be imposing. My attempt at a solution is: http://shadow.cat/blog/matt-s-trout/announcing-hallway-plusplus/ wherein we all announce our intent to talk to and be talked to, along with specific locations where people will meet to eat and drink. There's a basic wiki page at http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=HallwayPlusPlus and JT was kind enough to grant us the use of the HWPP* namespace for any sub-pages we need, which will be hopefully be filled out over the next couple of weeks, and especially as those arriving early (such as myself) sample the local fare. So don't worry James, we'll find those bars :) People who've already specifically said they plan to be part of this have registered themselves either here - http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=HWPPPeople or (and in some cases and) here - http://act.yapcna.org/2012/search?pm_group=hallwayplusplus.pm I'd invite anybody else who plans to be part of this to do the same, and also to suggest that people think of ways we can get the word out about this. Not everybody reads the wiki, not everybody is on the list this year, not everybody is on IRC - so please try and spread the word to new attendees however you think might work, because this will be nothing if they don't know about it. Let's help people discover the community, make new friends, have random conversations. As perlfoundation.org says: "The Perl Foundation is dedicated to the advancement of the Perl programming language through open discussion, collaboration, design, and code. It coordinates the efforts of numerous grass-roots Perl-based groups, including: International Yet Another Perl Conferences" So let's make that happen, and make this the best hallway track ever. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From genehack at genehack.org Fri May 25 14:16:31 2012 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 17:16:31 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Beer here! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3310521849F647559B0C6E3F4F0B2944@genehack.org> On Friday, May 25, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Andy Bach wrote: > An easy one at last! Everywhere. We like beer here in WI, If you're a beer lover and you're in Wisconsin, you should really seek out and sample beer from the New Glarus Brewing Company (). One of the first of the modern craft brewers, their excellent, excellent products are not distributed outside of Wisconsin. (Did I mention their beer is really, really good? Because? yum.) chrs, john. -- John SJ Anderson / genehack at genehack.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 14:21:25 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:21:25 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Beer here! (was: Missing subscribers) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120525212125.GQ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 04:11:32PM -0500, Andy Bach wrote: > On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 3:54 PM, James E Keenan wrote: > > I hope we can now turn our discussion of where to find the best beer in > > Madison. > > An easy one at last! Everywhere. We like beer here in WI, from Point > ("it's not just for breakfast!") to Lake Louie (on the greasy banks of > the Wisconsin River) to Milwaukee's Cream City (named for the creamy > colored bricks made there), we got more brewery's than you can shake a > stick at, if that's your idea of a good time. In Madison, the Capital > brewery and Ale Asylum are bit of a walk from the conference location > but fortunately they sell their stuff all up and down State st. The > Great Dane Brew Pub isn't too far, though personally, I think their > beer is just okay, mostly. Good pool tables and food though. Whack 'em onto an HWPPBars node on the wiki for me, please? A nearby brew pub that's good enough and has pool tables we can talk around would be a great mingling point, and we could always walk further away after getting good there. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From afbach at gmail.com Fri May 25 14:28:38 2012 From: afbach at gmail.com (Andy Bach) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:28:38 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Beer here! In-Reply-To: <3310521849F647559B0C6E3F4F0B2944@genehack.org> References: <3310521849F647559B0C6E3F4F0B2944@genehack.org> Message-ID: On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 4:16 PM, John SJ Anderson wrote: > One of the first of the modern craft brewers, their excellent, excellent > products Oh yah hey der - often on sale for 6.95 a six pack and the best names - Fat Squirrel, Road Slush, Moon Man, Two Women, Naked and Uff-da Bock. -- a Andy Bach, afbach at gmail.com 608 658-1890 cell 608 261-5738 wk From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Fri May 25 14:39:38 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 22:39:38 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <23032535-B0F9-4F76-81AA-E0F9EE68DF49@yapcna.org> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <20120525180530.GC19136@paravel.rurs.us> <20120525181140.GH19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120525184631.GJ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFE5F3.3020001@stemsystems.com> <23032535-B0F9-4F76-81AA-E0F9EE68DF49@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <20120525213938.GR19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 04:09:18PM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > First, let me address the issue of keeping our attendees informed. I will be sending a personal email to each letting them know about this list, the blog, and important activities like game night and the (anti)arrival dinner. From there they can choose what mechanism they wish to use to keep up to date for the next 2-3 weeks until the conference. Excellent. Thank you very much. > Second, it is simply untrue that every YAPC has subscribed their attendees to this list. I've been to at least six YAPC's and I didn't know about this list until December of 2011. Can't speak to that, not been coming long enough. > Third, YAPC organizers have been doing a tremendous job running YAPC's for over a decade, and they do this despite self-important grandstanding like has gone on in this thread, not because of it. I have listened to your feedback, assimilated it, and made a decision not to subscribe the attendees to this list. Speaking as somebody who now owns two YAPC::NA organiser T-shirts due to having volunteered to help out with various things in previous years, I can absolutely agree that feedback needs to be carefully considered rather than assumed to be correct. In this case, I'd ask that you consider the use of a call-to-action style set of links, i.e. pre-prepare mailman subscription links for everybody and "To subscribe to the list, " style text - with something similar for the YAPC::NA twitter account, blog feed etc. - but that's just an idea; I'm sure whatever text you do come up with will be 100% better than the situation we had before :) -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From dha at panix.com Fri May 25 16:09:40 2012 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 19:09:40 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Movies Message-ID: <20120525230940.GB7750@panix.com> Just to change the topics for today, I just wanted to point out that I have created a wiki page for the Bad Movie BOF, including some possible movies. It has also been suggested to me by a few people that a night of not-bad movies might also be a good idea. I have no idea how or where we can fit that into the schedule, but I thought I'd mention it. Contrary to popular belief, I actually also own good movies. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ I've tried subtlely - Game Theory From darren at darrenduncan.net Fri May 25 16:11:12 2012 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 16:11:12 -0700 Subject: [yapc] set your Nickname for better wiki experience Message-ID: <4FC01190.4030606@darrenduncan.net> Some of you may be having a problem when editing the YAPC::NA wiki, finding that your "[user:foo]" aren't working like other people's. Where some people who put that on a wiki page find it rendering as "My Name (foo)", others it shows literally as "[user:foo]". You may have found that the only way to get a link to your profile is to instead say something like "[user:123]". Thanks to an unsolicited private email from Gabor Szabo, this problem was solved for me, by filling in the "Nickname" field in my conference profile (http://act.yapcna.org/2012/change). Seeing as the wiki has numerous instances of "[user:123]", including 4 more on the Arrival Dinner page, I see that many others are having this problem, and now hopefully you know how to fix it. -- Darren Duncan From admin at yapcna.org Fri May 25 16:36:09 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 18:36:09 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Movies In-Reply-To: <20120525230940.GB7750@panix.com> References: <20120525230940.GB7750@panix.com> Message-ID: <8B7653C3-83B0-4573-898D-81781F17F789@yapcna.org> For the record I have reserved a room for you on the Thursday, June 14th from 6pm to 11pm. There's seating for 90 people, and a screen, projector, and sound system. YAPC will also be furnishing food and drinks. So please do make the most of it, whether you choose to do a bad movie or a good movie, or both. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On May 25, 2012, at 6:09 PM, David H. Adler wrote: > Just to change the topics for today, I just wanted to point out that I > have created a wiki page for the Bad Movie BOF, including some possible > movies. > > It has also been suggested to me by a few people that a night of not-bad > movies might also be a good idea. I have no idea how or where we can fit > that into the schedule, but I thought I'd mention it. Contrary to > popular belief, I actually also own good movies. :-) > > dha > > -- > David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ > I've tried subtlely - Game Theory > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've tried about 4 or 5 now and haven't disappointed with any of them. Spotted Cow seems to be a crowd favorite. gizmo From genehack at genehack.org Fri May 25 17:12:56 2012 From: genehack at genehack.org (John SJ Anderson) Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 20:12:56 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Beer here! In-Reply-To: <4FC01EF8.5010500@gmail.com> References: <3310521849F647559B0C6E3F4F0B2944@genehack.org> <4FC01EF8.5010500@gmail.com> Message-ID: On Friday, May 25, 2012 at 8:08 PM, gizmo mathboy wrote: > Spotted Cow seems to be a crowd favorite. The one I've had that's simply *astounding* is the Belgian Red -- http://www.newglarusbrewing.com/index.cfm/beers/ourbeers/beer/wisconsin-belgian-red -- but all their beers end up being very highly rated on the review sites. Again, they intentionally restrict distribution to just Wisconsin, so if you're a visiting beer lover, you should seize the chance to sample? j. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Contrary to > popular belief, I actually also own good movies. :-) you will have to prove that last statement in a court of inquiry! uri From admin at yapcna.org Sat May 26 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Perl for Big Data Message-ID: <4fc08d84.6355b60a.2b46.ffff9a93@mx.google.com> Martin Holste will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Hadoop is overrated. ? Come see what modern Perl can do with map/ reduce on terabytes of data with an extremely simple, maintainable architecture by orchestrating the inserting and querying of data on enormous scales. ? This talk will deconstruct the Enterprise Log Search and Archive (ELSA) project which is fully written in asynchronous, object-oriented Perl and provides a framework for Big Data analytics in a modular, pluggable architecture with the flexibility and customization that only Perl can provide. 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Miner------------------Division of Information Technology. |miner at doit.wisc.edu University Of Wisconsin - Madison| |608/262.9655 Room 3148 Computer Science| `---------------------------------------------------------------------' From admin at yapcna.org Sat May 26 21:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sun, 27 May 2012 00:00:03 -0400 Subject: LiveText is sponsoring YAPC::NA 2012, and they’re... Message-ID: <4fc1a6c4.4632b60a.15b2.ffffd6f6@mx.google.com> [http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4luajhK2d1qm5pt2o1_500.jpg] LiveText is sponsoring YAPC::NA_2012, and they???re hiring! Looking for the Position that Fits your Work Style? ? Education is one of the most relevant topics in our nation, because it is important.? LiveText is doing forward looking work in education that is making a difference.? We???re looking for ???difference making??? people. If you???re a smart and energetic self-starter who would like to ???make a difference??? in transforming education, we want to talk to you! By hiring top people and nurturing a culture that empowers and rewards those people, we are building one exceptional company. Open positions include:? * Software Engineer * MySQL Database Administrator * User Interface Designer * Systems Administrator * System Architect LiveText provides schedule flexibility, an open office environment, and a full benefits package that includes: Medical, Dental, Life Insurance, 401k, and Paid Vacations/Holidays. ? If you???re interested in any of the open positions, visit the LiveText booth located within Exhibit Hall B of the Job Fair and Expo. Resumes may also be forwarded to, ???resume at livetext.com???. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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In this talk Ill shed some light on Perl 6 lists, arrays, sequences, and other structures, explaining some of the fundamentals of how they work and can be used in Perl 6 programs. Lots of examples will be given, with particular emphasis on the lazy, infinite, and flattening behaviors of lists and some of the new range and sequence operators. Ill also describe how these features have affected Perl 6 development, including an introduction to some of the newer data types such as LoLs, Parcels, Captures, Iterators, and Positionals. Come to this talk and learn how Perl 6s list features can result in more elegant and faster code. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Sun May 27 23:21:42 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 02:21:42 -0400 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner (yet again!) Message-ID: <4FC31976.3090207@stemsystems.com> hi all, hopefully a bunch of you just signed up to the mailing list. if you didn't sign up then do so and you will get this email. d'oh, that doesn't work, does it! well, if you are in some other perl or pm list and know some yapc attendees that haven't signed up to that list, tell them to do so! then they can be part of the yapc community and discuss beers of madison or what games they want to play. ain't no other place to do that but this list (and the wiki). anyhow, on to the main topic. we have 24 signed up for the arrival dinner. i personally know at least 20 others who will come to that but haven't signed up yet. do so now. we need a proper head count for the food order. as usual they will be able to handle some walkin extras but you shouldn't be one of them if you know you will attend. so be nice, do the right thing and go to http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner and add your name to the bottom of the list (hi al! :). if you think you can't afford the $30 write to me privately and i will help arrange a scholarship for you. we will have anywhere from 5-10 of these available. remember, this is the first event in the hallway++ track where veteran yapc folks will be reaching out and touching ^W oops, i mean talking to yapc newbies. letting them know that we are all just perl hackers regardless of anything else and that is what brings us together. as i keep hearing, yapc is by far the most fun and social conference of any you may ever attend. it is also the least expensive. this is because we all do our part and help out. this includes talking to anyone about perl (and beer!) and signing up to events like the arrival dinner. enough for now until the next spam! :) thanx, uri From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 28 05:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 08:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Perl Testing 101: 82% of What You Need to Be a Competent Perl Tester Message-ID: <4fc368c4.881d3c0a.2af9.ffffe6b7@mx.google.com> James E Keenan will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: In fifty minutes, this presentation will provide you with 82 percent of what you need to know to be a competent user of Perls core testing functionality. If you are new to Perl  or if you know Perl but have shied away from learning to write tests  this presentation is for you! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon May 28 07:15:36 2012 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 07:15:36 -0700 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? Message-ID: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> I just realized I have a perfect subject for a lightning talk. I forget, do we set that up there, or do I need to pre-register? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From m.keating at shadowcat.co.uk Mon May 28 07:24:15 2012 From: m.keating at shadowcat.co.uk (Mark Keating) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:24:15 +0100 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> You need to register and submit your Lightning Talk - that was the process I was told ;) On 28 May 2012, at 15:15, merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > > I just realized I have a perfect subject for a lightning talk. I > forget, do we set that up there, or do I need to pre-register? > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From pmichaud at pobox.com Mon May 28 09:57:17 2012 From: pmichaud at pobox.com (Patrick R. Michaud) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 11:57:17 -0500 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> More directly, I think the registration url is: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk and select "Lightning talk" for the "Duration". Also, beware that the descriptions for Lightning Talks Day 2 and Day 3 currently display the registration link for YAPC::NA 2011 (North Carolina) Lightning talks -- probably want to be sure to use the 2012 link above (from the Day 1 description) until the other descriptions are updated. :-) Pm On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 03:24:15PM +0100, Mark Keating wrote: > You need to register and submit your Lightning Talk - that was the process I was told ;) > > On 28 May 2012, at 15:15, merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) wrote: > > > > > I just realized I have a perfect subject for a lightning talk. I > > forget, do we set that up there, or do I need to pre-register? > > > > -- > > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Mon May 28 10:07:21 2012 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:07:21 -0400 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20120528170721.GG17789@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 07:15:36 -0700 , Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > I just realized I have a perfect subject for a lightning talk. I > forget, do we set that up there, or do I need to pre-register? At least for the last several years I've been going to YAPC, one submits the talk using ACT (looks like you can still do so at http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk ) or, failing that, one talks to Geoff Avery during the conference. -- Chris Nehren | Coder, Sysadmin, Masochist Shadowcat Systems Ltd. | http://shadowcat.co.uk/ From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 28 10:47:09 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:47:09 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Music at TPF Afterparty Message-ID: I'm trying to ensure The Perl Foundation after party is a success, and I need some feedback. First, let me dispel the nightclub thing. We've rented out a nightclub because it's the best venue within walking distance that can hold several hundred people at once. And they've let us shut down the place for the night, so that we can use the space as more of a generic bar if that's what everybody prefers. Yes, we've still hired a DJ and yes there will be a dance floor there, but you don't need to dance unless you're into dancing. This is more about having a great time. The DJ we've hired is just there to ensure that there's some great music playing. He does all kinds of parties like this, and so he's used to building a program that fits the crowd. This is where you come in, what kind of music are you looking for? Do you want classic rock? More bass-heavy dance music? Dub-step? Top 40? What kind of music is appealing to the group at large? Also, would something like Karaoke be interesting? Or is that cheesy to this crowd? 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Yes, we've still hired a DJ and yes > there will be a dance floor there, but you don't need to dance unless > you're into dancing. This is more about having a great time. I'll probably dance (badly) as i like that. > > The DJ we've hired is just there to ensure that there's some great > music playing. He does all kinds of parties like this, and so he's > used to building a program that fits the crowd. This is where you come > in, what kind of music are you looking for? Do you want classic rock? > More bass-heavy dance music? Dub-step? Top 40? What kind of music is > appealing to the group at large? Don't mind as long as I kill people if hard core drum and bass/un-melodic Dubstep is the overall winner (i'm old and remember the days of uplifting trance as my major dance beat) - but I like just about everything that has a melody (except Country and Western). > > Also, would something like Karaoke be interesting? Or is that cheesy > to this crowd? I would do Karaoke, but I feel that if I say yes they will find my body strung next to yours on the streetlamps outside of the venue :). I would harken at likely way too cheesy. Thanks for the shout-out for preferences :). Regards Mark > > > JT Smith > Director, YAPC::NA 2012 > http://www.yapcna.org > > PS > > Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of > your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to > http://www.perl.org > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Mark Keating BA (Hons), Writer, Photographer, Cat-Herder. Managing Director: http://www.shadow.cat For more that I do visit: http://www.mdk.me -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Mon May 28 11:03:01 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 19:03:01 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Music at TPF Afterparty In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20120528180301.GN19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:47:09PM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > I'm trying to ensure The Perl Foundation after party is a success, and I need some feedback. > > First, let me dispel the nightclub thing. We've rented out a nightclub because it's the best venue within walking distance that can hold several hundred people at once. And they've let us shut down the place for the night, so that we can use the space as more of a generic bar if that's what everybody prefers. Yes, we've still hired a DJ and yes there will be a dance floor there, but you don't need to dance unless you're into dancing. This is more about having a great time. Has anybody been there while a night is actually running? The key thing about places with dance floors is that they often pipe the music through the rest of the venue loud enough that it's not really possible to have a conversation involving more than two (or at best three) people. If I can sit around a table with four or five people and have a conversation without the volume of the music impinging on our ability to do so, I don't particularly mind what sort of music it is. If I can't, then even if it's my favourite music in the world I'd rather be somewhere else since I don't tend to be on the dance floor the -entire- night. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 28 11:22:20 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 13:22:20 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Music at TPF Afterparty In-Reply-To: <20120528180301.GN19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120528180301.GN19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: > Has anybody been there while a night is actually running? Yes, I have. > The key thing about places with dance floors is that they often pipe the > music through the rest of the venue loud enough that it's not really possible > to have a conversation involving more than two (or at best three) people. That would be the normal mode of this place, however, we've shut the place down for the night just for this party, and they've already agreed to keep the music more quiet so that reasonable conversation is not only possible, but easy. Since it's our own private venue for the night, if the music does become too loud at any point, you can simply go up and ask the DJ to quiet it down a bit. > If I can sit around a table with four or five people and have a conversation > without the volume of the music impinging on our ability to do so, I don't > particularly mind what sort of music it is. If I can't, then even if it's > my favourite music in the world I'd rather be somewhere else since I don't > tend to be on the dance floor the -entire- night. Yup. That shouldn't be a problem at all. From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon May 28 12:39:18 2012 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 12:39:18 -0700 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> (Patrick R. Michaud's message of "Mon, 28 May 2012 11:57:17 -0500") References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> Message-ID: <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick R Michaud writes: Patrick> More directly, I think the registration url is: Patrick> http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk Patrick> and select "Lightning talk" for the "Duration". Patrick> Also, beware that the descriptions for Lightning Talks Day 2 and Patrick> Day 3 currently display the registration link for YAPC::NA 2011 Patrick> (North Carolina) Lightning talks -- probably want to be sure to Patrick> use the 2012 link above (from the Day 1 description) until the Patrick> other descriptions are updated. :-) OK. That's Insane. I won't support that crappy registration system with my talk until it gets fixed. There's no excuse for that. So, Now you all know, you could have had a talk from me, but because the registration for it was broken, I'm not talking.. Enjoy your day. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Mon May 28 12:52:55 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 20:52:55 +0100 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20120528195255.GQ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 12:39:18PM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > OK. That's Insane. > > I won't support that crappy registration system with my talk until it > gets fixed. Somebody put the wrong link in by accident. Probably actually a copy and paste accident. That's not crappy, it's a genuine mistake. Those happen. > So, Now you all know, you could have had a talk from me, but because the > registration for it was broken, I'm not talking.. If you want to take your toys and go home just because a link says 2011 instead of 2012, please do feel free to do so. But I'm totally going to point and laugh at you for being so fucking childish about it. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From admin at yapcna.org Mon May 28 13:01:24 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 15:01:24 -0500 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <3450051F-C442-41B8-8C7C-2403A51AEFF1@yapcna.org> I don't think Geoff meant to offend you. I think it was a genuine mistake. I've updated the links in his Day 2 and 3 talks. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On May 28, 2012, at 2:39 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick R Michaud writes: > > Patrick> More directly, I think the registration url is: > Patrick> http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk > > Patrick> and select "Lightning talk" for the "Duration". > > Patrick> Also, beware that the descriptions for Lightning Talks Day 2 and > Patrick> Day 3 currently display the registration link for YAPC::NA 2011 > Patrick> (North Carolina) Lightning talks -- probably want to be sure to > Patrick> use the 2012 link above (from the Day 1 description) until the > Patrick> other descriptions are updated. :-) > > OK. That's Insane. > > I won't support that crappy registration system with my talk until it > gets fixed. > > > There's no excuse for that. > > So, Now you all know, you could have had a talk from me, but because the > registration for it was broken, I'm not talking.. > > Enjoy your day. > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com Mon May 28 15:54:13 2012 From: bradley.d.andersen at gmail.com (Bradley Andersen) Date: Mon, 28 May 2012 18:54:13 -0400 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: Randall> So, Now you all know, you could have had a talk from me, but because the registration for it was broken, I'm not talking.. Check your ego, chief. /bda On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 3:39 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > >>>>> "Patrick" == Patrick R Michaud writes: > > Patrick> More directly, I think the registration url is: > Patrick> http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk > > Patrick> and select "Lightning talk" for the "Duration". > > Patrick> Also, beware that the descriptions for Lightning Talks Day 2 and > Patrick> Day 3 currently display the registration link for YAPC::NA 2011 > Patrick> (North Carolina) Lightning talks -- probably want to be sure to > Patrick> use the 2012 link above (from the Day 1 description) until the > Patrick> other descriptions are updated. :-) > > OK. That's Insane. > > I won't support that crappy registration system with my talk until it > gets fixed. > > > There's no excuse for that. > > So, Now you all know, you could have had a talk from me, but because the > registration for it was broken, I'm not talking.. > > Enjoy your day. > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 > 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue May 29 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Dependency Injection with Bread::Board Message-ID: <4fc48204.0674b60a.5914.77ca@mx.google.com> Jesse Luehrs will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Dependency injection is a powerful method of organizing your applications. It has been referred to as the inverse of garbage collection , because while garbage collection frees you from having to worry about how your objects are destroyed, dependency injection frees you from having to worry about how your application objects are created. This talk will contain an overview of what dependency injection is and how it works (youre probably already using basic forms of it!), and will introduce the Bread::Board module, which provides a more structured form way to model the relationships between your objects. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From merlyn at stonehenge.com Tue May 29 05:14:11 2012 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 05:14:11 -0700 Subject: [yapc] lightning talks? In-Reply-To: <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> (Randal L. Schwartz's message of "Mon, 28 May 2012 12:39:18 -0700") References: <86sjeko0hj.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> <4A0528D2-7625-4DF4-9105-932BC9CF2FC1@shadowcat.co.uk> <20120528165717.GA23667@pmichaud.com> <86ehq4nli1.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <86wr3vmbfw.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Randal" == Randal L Schwartz writes: Randal> I won't support that crappy registration system with my talk until it Randal> gets fixed. I'm sorry... I was having a bad day yesterday. My humblest apologies. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From sscaffidi at cpan.org Tue May 29 11:43:08 2012 From: sscaffidi at cpan.org (Steve Scaffidi) Date: Tue, 29 May 2012 14:43:08 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Need a roommate Message-ID: I have waited too long to reserve a dorm room and so I'm looking for anybody who's reserved a double and needs/wants to split it. I can, of course, pay my share up front :) -- -- Steve Scaffidi From admin at yapcna.org Wed May 30 05:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 08:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Becoming a Polyglot Message-ID: <4fc60bc3.6730b60a.68f4.ffffed8a@mx.google.com> Tatshuhiko Miyagawa will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Many of you might have noticed that, a lot of my recent Perl projects (such as Plack, cpanm and carton) have been greatly influenced by what are available in other programming languages such as Python, Ruby and JavaScript. Over the past few years, Ive also been using mainly Python and Ruby for my work. In this talk I will show you what Ive learned by using these languages - ? Things you can steal, things you can ignore. Also as a bonus, I will give you a hint of a few tools what I think is missing in Perl but will become extremely popular when ported the right way. 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We have two weeks until speaking begins, so you have one week to get your submissions in before the next deadline. ?If you submit your lightning talk by June 6 you have a much better chance of being accepted (for at least one talk). Accepted Lighting Talks: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/talks#6 Submit a Lightning Talk: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk -----Original Message----- From: "Chris Nehren" Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 1:07pm To: yapc at pm.org Subject: Re: [yapc] lightning talks? On Mon, May 28, 2012 at 07:15:36 -0700 , Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > I just realized I have a perfect subject for a lightning talk. I > forget, do we set that up there, or do I need to pre-register? At least for the last several years I've been going to YAPC, one submits the talk using ACT (looks like you can still do so at http://act.yapcna.org/2012/newtalk ) or, failing that, one talks to Geoff Avery during the conference. -- Chris Nehren | Coder, Sysadmin, Masochist Shadowcat Systems Ltd. | http://shadowcat.co.uk/ _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org Wed May 30 07:48:21 2012 From: perl.yapc at rjbs.manxome.org (Ricardo Signes) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 10:48:21 -0400 Subject: [yapc] play some old-school D&D at YAPC Message-ID: <20120530144821.GA26351@cancer.codesimply.com> There's a [Game Night][1] at YAPC! Amongst the other games, there is going to be some Basic D&D (1981 B/X magenta box). I will be acting as referee. I'm hoping to have time to run one or two *other* games as well. These might not be Basic D&D, but they'll be close: maybe [Searchers of the Unknown][2] or my own D&D hack that I've been working on. If you're interested, go read a bit more and put your name down on the [D&D wiki page][3] ? where you'll also see some info about a more modern D&D game that's going to happen, too! [1]: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Game%20Night [2]: http://index.rpg.net/display-entry.phtml?mainid=13456 [3]: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=DND -- rjbs -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From autarch at urth.org Wed May 30 07:53:45 2012 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 09:53:45 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] Playing Go at game night Message-ID: I don't know if there are any other Go players out there, but if there are, please let me know. I can bring my go set to YAPC, but I'd really like to play some people within 9 stones of my rank. I haven't played much in the last few years, but I was 1 kyu AGA when I was last playing actively. Of course, if we have a bunch of people who want to play, it'd be nice to have more than one set, so feel free to bring yours too. -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From uri at stemsystems.com Wed May 30 11:27:25 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 14:27:25 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Playing Go at game night In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4FC6668D.8070103@stemsystems.com> On 05/30/2012 10:53 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > I don't know if there are any other Go players out there, but if there > are, please let me know. > > I can bring my go set to YAPC, but I'd really like to play some people > within 9 stones of my rank. I haven't played much in the last few years, > but I was 1 kyu AGA when I was last playing actively. > > Of course, if we have a bunch of people who want to play, it'd be nice > to have more than one set, so feel free to bring yours too. hi dave, as we chatted, i doubt i can take 9 stones from you but we can try. maybe i can cheat a little! i once place some go program which had up to 17 handicap stones. not standard but possible. i forget the pattern of extra stones. at least we can play around and see if i can hold my own against you. or consider it a training game. or a demo game to others wanting to learn go. uri From jarich at perltraining.com.au Wed May 30 20:25:57 2012 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:25:57 +1000 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <4FC6E4C5.1040402@perltraining.com.au> On 26/05/12 03:03, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 05/25/2012 09:38 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: >> On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 08:04:29AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: >>> Next year when you run YAPC::NA feel free to spam everybody you >>> want. I, however, think that mailing lists should be opt-in and >>> therefore refuse to auto-subscribe everyone. >> > > we have always autosubscribed attendees to the list and it is not an > optin/optout issue. many attendees are first timers and don't know > about the mailing list. even if they were notified by the web site > when they bought their pass, many would not see it. no one has ever > complained about the autosubscribe in 10 years. I'm sure someone else has said the same by now, but this is my 3rd YAPC::NA, and also the first time I ever heard of this mailing list (although not because of the blog posts, someone mentioned a discusson happening on here in another channel). I was auto-subscribed for the 2010 or 2011 conferences, although I wouldn't have objected if I had been. J From jarich at perltraining.com.au Wed May 30 20:28:03 2012 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 13:28:03 +1000 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FC6E4C5.1040402@perltraining.com.au> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <4FC6E4C5.1040402@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <4FC6E543.9050503@perltraining.com.au> > I'm sure someone else has said the same by now, but this is my 3rd > YAPC::NA, and also the first time I ever heard of this mailing list > (although not because of the blog posts, someone mentioned a discusson > happening on here in another channel). I was auto-subscribed for the > 2010 or 2011 conferences, although I wouldn't have objected if I had > been. > Important missing word there. I was *not* auto-subscribed for the 2010 or 2011 ... J From uri at stemsystems.com Wed May 30 20:51:06 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Wed, 30 May 2012 23:51:06 -0400 Subject: [yapc] use your wiki! In-Reply-To: <4FC6E543.9050503@perltraining.com.au> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <4FC6E4C5.1040402@perltraining.com.au> <4FC6E543.9050503@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <4FC6EAAA.8060103@stemsystems.com> hi all, we seem to have gotten a few more subscribers so it is a good time to ask you all to edit the wiki pages at: http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki you can add yourself to the arrivals/departure page and maybe share a ride or find out you are sharing a flight. there are several bofs you can join or add one of your own (i am leading a perl jobs bof - http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Perl%20Jobs). there are social events listed including the game night where gamemasters are signing up players and the arrival dinner. we have over 400 registered attendees but the wiki doesn't feel like that. go ahead, you know you want to say something there! we have less than 2 weeks before yapc::na 2012 and the wiki can use some love! thanx, uri From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 31 13:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] The Perl Foundation Party at YAPC::NA Message-ID: <4fc7cdc3.6896b60a.564c.ffff888f@mx.google.com> You may or may not have heard that The_Perl_Foundation is throwing a private party after the banquet at YAPC::NA_2012. Weve shut down a local party spot for the night so that we can turn it into geek-space. Though its usually a hot college night club, on this one night only its going to feel more like a private Perl-only pub. Heres what were doing to ensure a great party: * It wont be open to the public. * The bartenders are currently hard at work designing a custom Perl-themed drink menu, but there will of course be plenty of Guinness and other other brews if you dont like cocktails.? * Weve hired a DJ who is putting together a custom music program just for us. If youve got genre suggestions, please reply here and let us know. Well have him work it in to the program. The current plan is to start out with some classic rock and then migrate wherever the mood of the crowd takes us. * If you bring a DVD or USB stick with photos from past Perl events (or even YAPC::NA 2012 so far), well get those displayed on the huge projection screens.? * A private donor has sponsored $2,500 worth of free alcohol and paid the bar so we can shut it down to the public for the night. * Well have an open mic for announcements, toasts, roasts, etc.? The point is that this party is about having a good time, and providing even more opportunities to socialize with fellow geeks. It may not be for everybody, but we hope that even the most shy amongst us will come out, enjoy a few cocktails and some music.? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From scott at slowass.net Thu May 31 13:16:28 2012 From: scott at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:16:28 -0400 Subject: [yapc] The Perl Foundation Party at YAPC::NA In-Reply-To: <4fc7cdc3.6896b60a.564c.ffff888f@mx.google.com> References: <4fc7cdc3.6896b60a.564c.ffff888f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: On 5/31/12, YAPC::NA Director wrote: > * We ve hired a DJ who is putting together a custom music program just > for > us. If you ve got genre suggestions, please reply here and let us > know. > We ll have him work it in to the program. The current plan is to > start > out with some classic rock and then migrate wherever the mood of the > crowd takes us. This sounds like a job for the incredible Dr. Forr. -s From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu May 31 16:36:19 2012 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 16:36:19 -0700 Subject: [yapc] The Perl Foundation Party at YAPC::NA In-Reply-To: <4fc7cdc3.6896b60a.564c.ffff888f@mx.google.com> (YAPC's message of "Thu, 31 May 2012 16:00:03 -0400") References: <4fc7cdc3.6896b60a.564c.ffff888f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <86vcjbkjnw.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "YAPC::NA" == YAPC::NA Director writes: YAPC::NA> * Well have an open mic for announcements, toasts, roasts, etc. Karaoke? -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion From admin at yapcna.org Thu May 31 16:41:10 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 18:41:10 -0500 Subject: [yapc] The Perl Foundation Party at YAPC::NA In-Reply-To: <86vcjbkjnw.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> References: <4fc7cdc3.6896b60a.564c.ffff888f@mx.google.com> <86vcjbkjnw.fsf@red.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: They said we can either have a DJ or Karaoke but not both. So I opted for the DJ. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On May 31, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: >>>>>> "YAPC::NA" == YAPC::NA Director writes: > > YAPC::NA> * Well have an open mic for announcements, toasts, > roasts, etc. > > Karaoke? > > -- > Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 > > Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. > See http://methodsandmessages.posterous.com/ for Smalltalk discussion -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From chris at prather.org Thu May 31 19:02:08 2012 From: chris at prather.org (Chris Prather) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:02:08 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: <4FC6E543.9050503@perltraining.com.au> References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <4FC6E4C5.1040402@perltraining.com.au> <4FC6E543.9050503@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jacinta wrote: > >> I'm sure someone else has said the same by now, but this is my 3rd >> YAPC::NA, and also the first time I ever heard of this mailing list >> (although not because of the blog posts, someone mentioned a discusson >> happening on here in another channel). ?I was auto-subscribed for the 2010 >> or 2011 conferences, although I wouldn't have objected if I had been. >> > > Important missing word there. ?I was *not* auto-subscribed for the 2010 or > 2011 ... Yes we weren't aware that 'auto-subscription' was a preferred feature in 2011. -Chris From c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk Thu May 31 19:54:13 2012 From: c.nehren/yapc at shadowcat.co.uk (Chris Nehren) Date: Thu, 31 May 2012 22:54:13 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Missing subcribers In-Reply-To: References: <20120525133857.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <4FBFBB52.10209@stemsystems.com> <4FC6E4C5.1040402@perltraining.com.au> <4FC6E543.9050503@perltraining.com.au> Message-ID: <20120601025413.GE15877@isuckatdomains.members.linode.com> On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 22:02:08 -0400 , Chris Prather wrote: > On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 11:28 PM, Jacinta wrote: > > > >> I'm sure someone else has said the same by now, but this is my 3rd > >> YAPC::NA, and also the first time I ever heard of this mailing list > >> (although not because of the blog posts, someone mentioned a discusson > >> happening on here in another channel). ?I was auto-subscribed for the 2010 > >> or 2011 conferences, although I wouldn't have objected if I had been. > >> > > > > Important missing word there. ?I was *not* auto-subscribed for the 2010 or > > 2011 ... > > Yes we weren't aware that 'auto-subscription' was a preferred feature in 2011. However, next time (if there is such a next time (surely we're not that insane?)), we will be sure to do autosubscribing. -- Chris Nehren | Coder, Sysadmin, Masochist Shadowcat Systems Ltd. | http://shadowcat.co.uk/ From uri at stemsystems.com Thu May 31 21:29:50 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Fri, 01 Jun 2012 00:29:50 -0400 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner beer deal Message-ID: <4FC8453E.5020705@stemsystems.com> hi all, glad to see the arrival dinner signup has hit 40! i need to turn in a head count by next friday so they can order the right amount of food. this means you should signup if you are planning to go. walk-ins are welcome but it is good manners to signup so the pub knows what to expect. http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner on to more important news. we will be getting a $2 discount on all beer pitchers. normally they are $9-14 so this is a good deal. 1/2 price pitchers of margaritas is still there but i need to confirm we get both deals. this place is walking/crawling distance from the conference site so you can blast off and hopefully get back in one piece. just like the dragon ship did! remember if you are bringing someone to this you can put a +N next to your signup so i can count them. thanx, uri