From admin at yapcna.org Sun Apr 1 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Thank You Sponsors! Message-ID: <4f780b03.0a9ab60a.293b.ffff9ad0@mx.google.com> We?d like to thank our_sponsors for stepping up to support us. We really couldn?t do this without their support. You too could sponsor_YAPC. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 2 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] The Secret Diary of a Small Perl Shop Message-ID: <4f795c84.222ab60a.46e4.2fcd@mx.google.com> Chris Prather will be giving a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Most Perl developers are employed by large corporations, but many dream of what it would be like to strike out on their own. Tamarou is a company that has done just that, and we???re here to tell the tale of what it???s like.? It???s been a wild ride so far, and we???ll discuss the illicit details of what we???ve learned over the last two years, and what we probably should have learned. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 3 01:00:06 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 04:00:06 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Intro to Unicode Message-ID: <4f7aae07.c262b60a.6c02.22b4@mx.google.com> Nick Patch will be giving a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: UTF-8 is the most popular character encoding on the web and has been for 5 years. ? Modern applications have to be developed with an understanding of Unicode, and this raises a lot of important questions since the good old days of ASCII. ? What is a character? ??? a code point? ??? a grapheme? ? 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In this talk, I will give an introduction to PDL from a Perl programmer?s perspective. I will cover basic PDL operations from creation and access to standard manipulations and will explaing basic plotting. Some of the more advanced topics will include slicing arbitrary chunks of data and, if time allows, writing code that interfaces with PDL?s processing engine. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 3 17:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2012 20:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Parking at YAPC::NA Message-ID: <4f7b8f07.23a5b60a.343e.104a@mx.google.com> If you plan on driving in to YAPC::NA_2012 each day, or are staying in the dorm rooms and driving to Madison, then you???ll need a place to park. All other lodging besides the dorm rooms has parking available, you simply have to ask for it.? 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Message-ID: <4f7f8384.6232b60a.7d28.5ddc@mx.google.com> The Perl Testing Workshop at YAPC::NA_2012 has officially sold out. We have no more seats to sell. We only have a few more seats left in the Zero to Perl Workshop and the Hackathon, so if you want to participate in either of those, be sure to buy_a_badge for them today! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Sat Apr 7 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] How We Went Remote Message-ID: <4f7ff403.02d8b60a.177c.73fe@mx.google.com> VM Brasseur will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Hiring remote workers is great for filling those holes on the team&but if you dont have the correct infrastructure in place youre just setting yourselfand your remote team membersup for a world of hurt. This session will detail how our engineering department went remote and thrived because of it. - A lot of engineering teams are considering going remote now. And why not? There are excellent people everywhere. Why limit yourself only to those who can come into the office? Because you may not be able to support those remote workers, that?s why. There?s a lot more to having a remote team than just hiring someone then flying him/her in to visit the mother ship a couple times a year. Without the correct infrastructure and processes in place, remote hiring will turn into an exercise in frustration for you (at the home office) and set the remote worker up for failure. During this session we?ll discuss some of the preparations you should make before bringing remote staff on board. This will include: * Communication channels * Development methodologies and processes * DOCUMENTATION [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Our newly expanded tech mecca in downtown Milwaukee offers perks like: * Competitive compensation, benefits, and a jean-friendly, casual work environment * Code Love: Hackathons, code contests and opportunities to see your work turned into viable new product lines * Freebies: snacks, catered lunches, corporate discounts and as much caffeine as your heart desires * Wellness: Free campus fitness center, massage events, a game room and plenty of team events to keep things fun For more information on Corvisa and our available jobs, visit www.corvisa.com [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 33435 bytes Desc: not available URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 10 17:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 20:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Corvisa is Hiring! Message-ID: <4f84c985.43a5b60a.65d8.36a4@mx.google.com> [http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m29ylpMLP21qj3ax1.png] Corvisa has a Perl_Developer_position open that looks quite interesting. Department:Software Development Compensation:Competitive with benefits Job Description As a Software Developer, you will be responsible for the design and development of our RESTful API and backend processing jobs to add new system functionality that will support our growing customer base. You will accurately and rapidly write code for various software products, which entails using proper coding conventions as well as following any specific desired coding conventions. Emphasis is on producing clean and lean code that is capable of functioning and scaling in highly demanding business environments. Qualifications We are looking for a thinking programmer who desires to join a highly productive team and wants to immediately contribute by totally immersing themselves in our products. The ideal candidate will be religious about the use of source control and desire to properly cover your code with ample test cases and documentation. You should feel comfortable working with a team of highly experienced and talented developers, but should be able to function on your own when given a project. * Excellent application development skills * Strong communication skills (written and verbal) with all organizational levels * Ability to work within a fast-paced, rapidly changing environment * Ability to rely on sound application development principles, methodologies and creativity when planning and accomplishing projects and goals * Willingness to take and be accountable for risks * Self-confidence and be self-motivated * Ability to work and function well with minimal direction or with team discussion and verbal direction/specification vs. highly structured written documentation/specifications * Expert knowledge of Perl (preferred) or another scripting language such as Python, PHP or Ruby * Knowledge and regular use of source control * Working knowledge of Catalyst MVC framework, DBIx::Class, and Moose * Experience with test driven development * Experience with REST API design patterns and concepts * Experience with Sencha (formally ExtJS) or other Javascript framework is a plus. Bachelor/s degree in Computer Science, MCS, MIS, Computer Engineering is a plus, but must be coupled with experience. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: image/png Size: 33435 bytes Desc: not available URL: From admin at yapcna.org Wed Apr 11 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Get More Out Of Your Meetings Message-ID: <4f853a0e.23a5b60a.70ee.6033@mx.google.com> Abigail will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Many people, specially developers, hate meetings. They have to invest a? lot of time, for little reward. Meetings, however, can not be avoided? completely. At work, I can easily have a dozen meetings in a week. In? this presentation, I will share some ideas and tips we use to make? meetings more efficient; so the participants get more bang for the buck. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Wed Apr 11 13:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 16:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA is 75% sold out! Message-ID: <4f85e2c3.c61c3c0a.6fe5.ffffad44@mx.google.com> With just over 2 months before the conference weve sold more than 300 tickets to YAPC::NA_2012 so far! Thats great news. The bad news is that the conference facility maxes out at 400 people, so if you are coming to YAPC, you need to get your_badge sooner rather than later.? Also, we only have a couple more tickets left to sell before the Zero to Perl Workshop is full.? And we only have about 10 more spots left for the Hackathon that precedes the conference, which includes the Hardware Hackathon led by Robert Blackwell.? I dont want anybody to miss out on the great program weve got set for YAPC:: NA 2012. So please dont hesitate, sign_up_today! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Thu Apr 12 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Basic Regular Expressions Workshop Message-ID: <4f868b83.86033c0a.567a.0930@mx.google.com> Bradley Anderson will be giving a free workshop at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: MJ was a ColdFusion Developer. ? One day, MJs boss asked him to turn 3,000 badly-formatted text files into a single, valid spreadsheet. MJ thought and thought and thought about this: What will I do?, he wondered aloud.? Reggie is a Perl Programmer. ? While MJ was beating his head into their shared cube wall, contemplating an early retirement to his van down? by the river, Reggie, as all Perl Programmers are wont to do, kindly offered to help: Hey, MJ - need some help? MJ spewed about how he had these _thousands_ of files to parse, how they were scraped from a web site where, apparently, people had no idea about how to properly format HTML, and how he was just asked, as if he were Merlyn, to magically transform this pile of inconsistent doody into gold. ? He had started to bald - thats right, the thought of trying to do this in ColdFusion made the man bald. Reggie sensed an opening. ? He stood up, straightened out his Geology Rocks! hoodie, waltzed the three steps to MJs cube, put his hand on his chest, and said, in his best Antonio Banderas: My friend, _I_ will help you! Do _you_ want to be like Reggie? Of course you do - we all do. How can you be like Reggie? Come to my Basic Regular Expressions workshop. ? You will learn a little about how Perl actually processes? regular expressions, youll see how that compares to how people _think_ Perl processes regular expressions. ? Youll get a couple real-world projects to work on, youll learn some tricks, and, you may even win a prize. ? More on the prize later. Come to my Basic Regular Expressions workshop. ? Or go bald. ? Your choice. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Thu Apr 12 09:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Zero to Perl Workshop SOLD OUT! Message-ID: <4f86fc03.222ab60a.7985.38fa@mx.google.com> The Zero to Perl Workshop at YAPC::NA_2012 is officially sold out! It joins the Perl Testing Workshop that sold out last week. We still have a handful of seats left for the Hackathon / Hardware Hackathon if youre looking for a pre-conference activity. Those will likely be gone by Monday, so if youre interested in either the Hackathon or Hardware Hackathon then please get_your_badge soon. We still have about 75 seats left for the conference itself also. Though with two months left to go, we expect to sell out of those as well. The moral of the story, get_your_badge now. PS. If you are a speaker, you are not required to purchase a badge, as it will be provided for you. If you are a speaker and have already purchased a badge, your entire badge fee will be donated to The Perl Foundation to continue the development and maintenance of Perl. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Thu Apr 12 09:00:04 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2012 12:00:04 -0400 Subject: [yapc] The YAPC::NA 2012 Job Fair and Expo Hall has sold out! We have... Message-ID: <4f86fc05.660e3c0a.70e3.2f71@mx.google.com> [http://27.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2c0qjsKAK1qm5pt2o1_500.png] The YAPC::NA_2012 Job Fair and Expo Hall has sold out! We have 20 exhibitors at our expo hall who will be looking for people to fill their Perl jobs. If you???re looking for a job, or are thinking that it might be time to make a switch, then the YAPC job fair is going to be an excellent place to gain some first-hand intel on some prospective employers.? The YAPC Job Fair will be held at the Pyle_Center on Thursday, June 14th from Noon to 4:30pm. It is free to both YAPC attendees and the general public. We hope to see you there! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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If the above hit too close to home  particularly if youve ever written a program specifically to? allow you to more easily deploy your editor configuration on a? new machine  this talk is for you. Were going to talk about editor tweaks that make writing,? testing, running, and otherwise working with Perl faster and? easier, so you can focus on the stuff that really matters: beer,? go karts, and cool new editor color themes& [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 16 09:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2012 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Hackathon SOLD OUT! Message-ID: <4f8c4203.86033c0a.567a.0f45@mx.google.com> The Hackathon & pre-conference Hardware Hackathon at YAPC::NA_2012 has sold out! Now all the pre-conference activities have completely sold out. We have less than 50 tickets remaining for YAPC::NA 2012 before all 400 of those are sold out as well. If youve been procrastinating about whether to buy your ticket now or later, dont wait. Theyll be gone soon. Buy_your_badge today! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 17 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Why You Hate Writing Documentation (and What I'm Doing About It) Message-ID: <4f8d2303.68053c0a.75bb.ffff84ae@mx.google.com> Rocco Caputo will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Documentation is anathema to hackers. Releasing early and often is much harder when every code change requires an editorial pass to an ever-growing body of documentation. The common solutions are to either not document anything, to let the documentation fall into disrepair, or to release late and not so often. Whats a fun-loving but conscientious hacker to do? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 17 09:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 12:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Hardware Hackathon Talks Message-ID: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> The hackathon and hardware hackathon have proven so popular that weve already sold out. However, weve acquired an additional room that will be available for hacking through-out the entire YAPC::NA_2012 conference. We did this to ensure theres always a space to spread out and collaborate on projects.? Some people are planning on giving talks or small demonstrations at the already sold out Hardware_Hackathon. For example Robert Blackwell will give a talk called Moving_Servo_Motors_with_Perl? and Andrew Rodland will give a talk called A_Man_With_Two_Watches_is_Never_Sure.? The hardware hackathon will be freeform for the most part, but if you would like to give a talk or a demonstration on the official schedule, go ahead and submit_it. Well get it on the schedule.? Also, in the notes indicate which of the 5 days of the hardware hackathon youd like to give your talk. Youll likely get a bigger audience if you do it in one of the first two days, however, youd have to have already purchased your badge for the Hackathon since its already sold out.? YAPC is nothing if not about collaboration and sharing ideas. We want to make sure everybody has that opportunity, so thats why weve extended the Hackathon to be all 5 days.? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Apr 17 13:16:49 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:16:49 -0400 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner! In-Reply-To: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> References: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> hi all, yes, it is back. we are having an arrival dinner on tuesday june 12, 7-10pm. it is likely to be at moe's grill and tavern http://www.moestavernandgrill.com. they have an upstairs banquet room for us and the menu looks very nice. check out the all-american buffet at http://www.moestavernandgrill.com/img/menus/banquets.pdf. i spoke to the manager and we can have grilled brats with toppings as one of the entrees and mac & cheese (replacing potato salad) for one of the sides. that is more local flavor than the menu had originally. my view is the 3 entree deal at $21.95/pp with the brats, veggie fettucini and maybe the sirloin and mushrooms. tax and tip is 23.5% extra bringing it to $27.10 each. like in the past we can collect an even $30 to make it simple and either tip more or send the extra to tpf/yapc. there will be wait service for bar orders as there is no bar in the room itself. that of course will be your own tab. sodas are free with the meal as is dessert. soups are another choice and beer & cheese sounds like a good one. so send in your thoughts on attending, the menu or whatever. when it gets more solid, i will set up a wiki page where you should rsvp so we can get an accurate head count (3 days before is the deadline). as usual we will get walkins and they can handle that but rsvp is so helpful. there is plenty of veggie stuff in this menu but the anti-arrival people can do their usual thing too. just don't meet up with them or catastrophic anniliation will commence. thanx, uri (yapc::na socialist czar again for a bit. :) From autarch at urth.org Tue Apr 17 13:23:42 2012 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:23:42 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] Anti-arrival dinner Message-ID: For each reaction there is an equal and better reaction. I'll organize the anti-arrival dinner at YAPC this year. It'd be some place more veg-friendly and with a smaller group. The exact venue is still TBD. I'll do some research, and proposals from others are welcome. Leave your proposals on the wiki page, along with your RSVP. http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Anti-Arrival%20Dinner -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 17 13:54:24 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 15:54:24 -0500 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner! In-Reply-To: <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> References: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: I'll be there! And of course, once everything is settled and there's a wiki page up, I'll also promote it in the blog. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:16 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > hi all, > > yes, it is back. we are having an arrival dinner on tuesday june 12, 7-10pm. it is likely to be at moe's grill and tavern http://www.moestavernandgrill.com. they have an upstairs banquet room for us and the menu looks very nice. check out the all-american buffet at http://www.moestavernandgrill.com/img/menus/banquets.pdf. i spoke to the manager and we can have grilled brats with toppings as one of the entrees and mac & cheese (replacing potato salad) for one of the sides. that is more local flavor than the menu had originally. my view is the 3 entree deal at $21.95/pp with the brats, veggie fettucini and maybe the sirloin and mushrooms. tax and tip is 23.5% extra bringing it to $27.10 each. like in the past we can collect an even $30 to make it simple and either tip more or send the extra to tpf/yapc. there will be wait service for bar orders as there is no bar in the room itself. that of course will be your own tab. sodas are free with the meal as is dessert. soups are another choice and beer & cheese sounds like a good one. > > so send in your thoughts on attending, the menu or whatever. when it gets more solid, i will set up a wiki page where you should rsvp so we can get an accurate head count (3 days before is the deadline). as usual we will get walkins and they can handle that but rsvp is so helpful. > > there is plenty of veggie stuff in this menu but the anti-arrival people can do their usual thing too. just don't meet up with them or catastrophic anniliation will commence. > > thanx, > > uri (yapc::na socialist czar again for a bit. :) > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyway, this should at least give you a starting point: The Taco Shop (TexMex) http://www.thetacoshop5.com/ Buraka (East African) http://www.burakamadison.com/Buraka_Madison.html Biryani (Mediterranean) http://campusbiryani.com/ (this one's much farther to walk, but very tasty) Mediterranean Cafe (Mediterranean) http://g.co/maps/b54uv Kabul (Afgahan) http://g.co/maps/hff42 JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > For each reaction there is an equal and better reaction. > > I'll organize the anti-arrival dinner at YAPC this year. It'd be some place more veg-friendly and with a smaller group. The exact venue is still TBD. I'll do some research, and proposals from others are welcome. Leave your proposals on the wiki page, along with your RSVP. > > http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Anti-Arrival%20Dinner > > > -dave > > /*============================================================ > http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org > Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) > ============================================================*/ > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miner at doit.wisc.edu Tue Apr 17 14:21:26 2012 From: miner at doit.wisc.edu (Jon Miner) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:21:26 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Anti-arrival dinner In-Reply-To: <40D6802E-3BF7-4A28-BFB3-D879AE17DF59@yapcna.org> References: <40D6802E-3BF7-4A28-BFB3-D879AE17DF59@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <4F8DDED6.7010907@doit.wisc.edu> I replied to Dave directly (being anti-social I guess), but just so everybody else can know, I suggested: * Taj Indian Restaurant on Park Street (need transportation), I'm told it's the bomb if you're veggie. * Himal Chuli (Nepalese) on State Street, which is tiny, but a veggie ex of mine loved it. * Sunroom Cafe on State Street, which has daily specifically veggie (maybe even vegan?) specials. And a couple late additions that just occurred to me: * Chautara (Himalayan and Nepalese) on State Street * Much further out, Bunky's Cafe on the East Side has a fantastic menu (vegan and vegetarian). jon On 4/17/12 4:04 PM, JT Smith wrote: > I won't be there, but I can recommend some tasty places for you to > check out. Here they are in order of tastiness. All of these places > are at least vegetarian friendly, but you'll have to call to see if > they are vegan friendly. I have several vegetarian friends I eat with, > but no vegan friends. Anyway, this should at least give you a starting > point: > > The Taco Shop (TexMex) http://www.thetacoshop5.com/ > Buraka (East African) http://www.burakamadison.com/Buraka_Madison.html > Biryani (Mediterranean) http://campusbiryani.com/ (this one's much > farther to walk, but very tasty) > Mediterranean Cafe (Mediterranean) http://g.co/maps/b54uv > Kabul (Afgahan) http://g.co/maps/hff42 > > JT Smith > Director, YAPC::NA 2012 > http://www.yapcna.org > > PS > > Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of > your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to > http://www.perl.org > > On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > >> For each reaction there is an equal and better reaction. >> >> I'll organize the anti-arrival dinner at YAPC this year. It'd be some >> place more veg-friendly and with a smaller group. The exact venue is >> still TBD. I'll do some research, and proposals from others are >> welcome. Leave your proposals on the wiki page, along with your RSVP. >> >> http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Anti-Arrival%20Dinner >> >> >> -dave >> >> /*============================================================ >> http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org >> Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) >> ============================================================*/ >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > -- > .Jonathan J. Miner----------------------------------------------------. > | jon at jjminer.org | photos - http://photos.jjminer.org/ | > | | R.A.W. #1629 - http://www.reggaeambassadors.org | > | | LOCS Webmaster - http://www.locs-buffett.org | > | jabber/gchat: camrycurbhopper at gmail.com AIM: camrycurbhopper | > `---------------------------------------------------------------------' > > "We don't have a town drunk... We all take turns!" > -- James Slater, "Key West Address" > -- > .Jonathan J. Miner------------------Division of Information Technology. > |miner at doit.wisc.edu University Of Wisconsin - Madison| > |608/262.9655 Room 3148 Computer Science| > `---------------------------------------------------------------------' > > Reason #6 to quit your job and move to Key West: Everybody stares at me when > I drink margaritas at meetings. > -- Christopher Shultz and David L. Sloan, "Quit your job an move to Key West" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 17 14:42:26 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 16:42:26 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Anti-arrival dinner In-Reply-To: <4F8DDED6.7010907@doit.wisc.edu> References: <40D6802E-3BF7-4A28-BFB3-D879AE17DF59@yapcna.org> <4F8DDED6.7010907@doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: I think that the Sunroom Cafe actually went out of business. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 17, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Jon Miner wrote: > I replied to Dave directly (being anti-social I guess), but just so everybody else can know, I suggested: > Taj Indian Restaurant on Park Street (need transportation), I'm told it's the bomb if you're veggie. > Himal Chuli (Nepalese) on State Street, which is tiny, but a veggie ex of mine loved it. > Sunroom Cafe on State Street, which has daily specifically veggie (maybe even vegan?) specials. > > And a couple late additions that just occurred to me: > Chautara (Himalayan and Nepalese) on State Street > Much further out, Bunky's Cafe on the East Side has a fantastic menu (vegan and vegetarian). > > jon > > On 4/17/12 4:04 PM, JT Smith wrote: >> >> I won't be there, but I can recommend some tasty places for you to check out. Here they are in order of tastiness. All of these places are at least vegetarian friendly, but you'll have to call to see if they are vegan friendly. I have several vegetarian friends I eat with, but no vegan friends. Anyway, this should at least give you a starting point: >> >> The Taco Shop (TexMex) http://www.thetacoshop5.com/ >> Buraka (East African) http://www.burakamadison.com/Buraka_Madison.html >> Biryani (Mediterranean) http://campusbiryani.com/ (this one's much farther to walk, but very tasty) >> Mediterranean Cafe (Mediterranean) http://g.co/maps/b54uv >> Kabul (Afgahan) http://g.co/maps/hff42 >> >> JT Smith >> Director, YAPC::NA 2012 >> http://www.yapcna.org >> >> PS >> >> Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org >> >> >> >> On Apr 17, 2012, at 3:23 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: >> >>> For each reaction there is an equal and better reaction. >>> >>> I'll organize the anti-arrival dinner at YAPC this year. It'd be some place more veg-friendly and with a smaller group. The exact venue is still TBD. I'll do some research, and proposals from others are welcome. Leave your proposals on the wiki page, along with your RSVP. >>> >>> http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Anti-Arrival%20Dinner >>> >>> >>> -dave >>> >>> /*============================================================ >>> http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org >>> Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) >>> ============================================================*/ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> -- >> .Jonathan J. Miner----------------------------------------------------. >> | jon at jjminer.org | photos - http://photos.jjminer.org/ | >> | | R.A.W. #1629 - http://www.reggaeambassadors.org | >> | | LOCS Webmaster - http://www.locs-buffett.org | >> | jabber/gchat: camrycurbhopper at gmail.com AIM: camrycurbhopper | >> `---------------------------------------------------------------------' >> >> "We don't have a town drunk... We all take turns!" >> -- James Slater, "Key West Address" >> -- >> .Jonathan J. Miner------------------Division of Information Technology. >> |miner at doit.wisc.edu University Of Wisconsin - Madison| >> |608/262.9655 Room 3148 Computer Science| >> `---------------------------------------------------------------------' >> >> Reason #6 to quit your job and move to Key West: Everybody stares at me when >> I drink margaritas at meetings. >> -- Christopher Shultz and David L. 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URL: From gizmomathboy at gmail.com Tue Apr 17 16:51:23 2012 From: gizmomathboy at gmail.com (gizmo mathboy) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 19:51:23 -0400 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner! In-Reply-To: <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> References: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <4F8E01FB.80507@gmail.com> I think I'll be in town in time for that and the kids should be in bed about then. joe From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 17 17:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 20:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Conference Hotel SOLD OUT! Message-ID: <4f8e0403.2295b60a.13d5.0b87@mx.google.com> Unfortunately, due to the huge number of attendees at YAPC::NA_2012 this year, weve sold out the original conference hotel. We still have lots of rooms at the dorms, which you can book_for_only_$42_per_night_for_a_single_or_$63_per night_for_a_double. However, we know many of you want to stay in a hotel. So weve arranged for an additional block of rooms at another hotel. The Hilton DoubleTree is only five blocks away from the conference facilities, and rooms under our group rate are going for $159 per night.? Click_here_to_make_a_reservation.? The group code is TPF. If you want one of these rooms, book fast, or youll have to either stay in the dorm, or get a hotel that is farther away. Also, this block of rooms dematerializes on May 10th if they are not already sold out by then. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darren at darrenduncan.net Tue Apr 17 17:11:50 2012 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:11:50 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Conference Hotel SOLD OUT! In-Reply-To: <4f8e0403.2295b60a.13d5.0b87@mx.google.com> References: <4f8e0403.2295b60a.13d5.0b87@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4F8E06C6.8020302@darrenduncan.net> YAPC::NA Director wrote: > We still have lots of rooms at the dorms, which you > can book for only $42 per night for a single or $63 per night for a > double . Actually its the opposite rates, $42 per person if you share a room with someone else, and $63 per person if you have a room to yourself. > However, we know many of you want to stay in a hotel. So we?ve arranged > for an additional block of rooms at another hotel. > If you want one of these rooms, book fast, or > you?ll have to either stay in the dorm, or get a hotel that is farther > away. Its not like the dorms are second class or anything, something one "settles" for; they sounded quite high quality to me, and not too far away. -- Darren Duncan From darren at darrenduncan.net Tue Apr 17 17:16:08 2012 From: darren at darrenduncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 17:16:08 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Conference Hotel SOLD OUT! In-Reply-To: <4F8E06C6.8020302@darrenduncan.net> References: <4f8e0403.2295b60a.13d5.0b87@mx.google.com> <4F8E06C6.8020302@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: <4F8E07C8.4030804@darrenduncan.net> Darren Duncan wrote: > Its not like the dorms are second class or anything, something one > "settles" for; they sounded quite high quality to me, and not too far away. Actually, there was just 1 issue I had with the dorms, which was that they don't let you check in on Sunday, just on Monday, so I had to book somewhere else for my first night, then switch over. -- Darren Duncan From admin at yapcna.org Tue Apr 17 19:12:35 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2012 21:12:35 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Conference Hotel SOLD OUT! In-Reply-To: <4F8E07C8.4030804@darrenduncan.net> References: <4f8e0403.2295b60a.13d5.0b87@mx.google.com> <4F8E06C6.8020302@darrenduncan.net> <4F8E07C8.4030804@darrenduncan.net> Message-ID: I'm actually working on getting that changed. At first they told me they couldn't do that, but now they're saying they can. So hopefully shortly I can get that set up. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 17, 2012, at 7:16 PM, Darren Duncan wrote: > Darren Duncan wrote: >> Its not like the dorms are second class or anything, something one "settles" for; they sounded quite high quality to me, and not too far away. > > Actually, there was just 1 issue I had with the dorms, which was that they don't let you check in on Sunday, just on Monday, so I had to book somewhere else for my first night, then switch over. -- Darren Duncan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In biomedical texts, words derived from Latin and Greek pose a big problem for English-language stemmers, because existing standard algorithms like Porter and Snowball fail to produce the base lemmas when faced with irregular plurals.? This talk reviews the problems with existing tools and presents the new Lingua::EN::Biolemmatizer module, which interfaces with the University of Colorados BioLemmatizer code to produce much more accurate results than were previously available. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From afbach at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 08:09:38 2012 From: afbach at gmail.com (Andy Bach) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 10:09:38 -0500 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner! In-Reply-To: <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> References: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: On Tue, Apr 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > there is plenty of veggie stuff in this menu but the anti-arrival people So, on one of the few topics I feel qualified to weigh in on here, eating and drinking in the State Street/downtown Madison area, just want to mention that 2 very good, very veggie friendly, Nepally places, Himal Chuli and Chutara, just 2 blocks west of Moe's. Really good food and for 30 bucks, you can probably feed 3 and have a beer each, at least at Himal Chuli, Chutara (owned by the son of the Himal Chuli family) is little more upscale (better wine choices) and a Nepally fusion sort of thing but really good. 'course the anti-ist anti would be the Memorial Union, which has 3 separate eating options, lots of good beer options (4! 4 good eating options, including the Cafeteria) and, of course the Terrace itself, right on Lake Mendota. Oh and there's Babcock ice cream (5! 5 eating choices as they serve sandwiches at the ice cream corner ... 6, really, if you're the kind who can survive on pretzel, popcorn and beer but ...) made with milk from university educated cows, well, they live at the U.W. they've got to pick up some stuff. -- a Andy Bach, afbach at gmail.com 608 658-1890 cell 608 261-5738 wk From afbach at gmail.com Wed Apr 18 09:48:38 2012 From: afbach at gmail.com (Andy Bach) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 11:48:38 -0500 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner! In-Reply-To: References: <4f8d9383.c3043c0a.1255.ffffa3f2@mx.google.com> <4F8DCFB1.2040501@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Apr 18, 2012 at 10:09 AM, Andy Bach wrote: > ?Really > good food and for 30 bucks, you can probably feed 3 and have a beer > each, at least at Himal Chuli, Chutara (owned by the son of the Himal > Chuli family) is little more upscale (better wine choices) and a > Nepally fusion sort of thing but really good. JUst a further note - the family, and the son, have a Peace Corp Nepal connection from back in the '60s -- a Andy Bach, afbach at gmail.com 608 658-1890 cell 608 261-5738 wk From miner at doit.wisc.edu Wed Apr 18 12:34:45 2012 From: miner at doit.wisc.edu (Jon Miner) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2012 14:34:45 -0500 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner scholarships In-Reply-To: <4F8E4EFE.80604@stemsystems.com> References: <4F8E4EFE.80604@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <4F8F1755.1000207@doit.wisc.edu> Sounds like an excellent idea to me. jon On 4/18/12 12:19 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > hi all, > > i was thinking about the arrival dinner and the extra $3 each attendee > will pay. i know some yapc attendees didn't come to the arrival dinner > because of money issues. these usually are starving students and the > underemployed. so my idea is to use the extra cash to offer some free > arrival dinners. if we have about 100 (typical minimum for the arrival > dinner) paid attendees, we can offer about 8-10 scholarships to the > dinner. drinks will be extra but i am sure others will buy a beer or two > for them! :) > > any interest in this idea? i haven't thought about how to organize this > or figure out who gets the scholarships or anything. if you are > interested in getting one of these scholarships, email me off list. when > i get some idea of the interest, i will post/wiki more about it. > > thanx, > > uri > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- .Jonathan J. 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Sloan, "Quit your job an move to Key West" From admin at yapcna.org Thu Apr 19 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Messaging, interoperability and log aggregation - a new framework Message-ID: <4f8fc604.8a07b60a.3f2f.4b0a@mx.google.com> Tomas Doran will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: In this talk, I will talk about why log files are horrible, logging log lines, and more structured performance metrics from large scale production applications as well as building reliable, scaleable and flexible large scale software systems in multiple languages. Why (almost) all log formats are horrible will be explained, and why JSON is a good solution for logging will be discussed, along with a number of message queuing, middleware and network transport technologies, including STOMP, AMQP and ZeroMQ. The Log::Stash framework will be introduced, along with the logstash.net project which the perl code is interoperable with. These are pluggable frameworks in ruby/java/jruby and perl with pre-written sets of inputs, filters and outputs for many many different systems, message formats and transports. They were initially designed to be aggregators and filters of data for logging. However they are flexible enough to be used as part of your messaging middleware, or even as a replacement for centralised message queuing systems. You can have your cake and eat it too - an architecture which is flexible, extensible, scaleable and distributed. Build discrete, loosely coupled components which just pass messages to each other easily. Integrate and interoperate with your existing code and code bases easily, consume from or publish to any existing message queue, logging or performance metrics system you have installed. ? Simple examples using common input and output classes will be demonstrated using the framework, as will easily adding your own custom filters. A number of common messaging middleware patterns will be shown to be trivial to implement. Some higher level use-cases will also be explored, demonstrating log indexing in ElasticSearch and how to build a responsive platform API using webhooks. Interoperability is also an important goal for messaging middleware. The logstash.net project will be highlighted and well discuss crossing the single language barrier, allowing us to have full integration between java, ruby and perl components, and to easily write bindings into libraries we want to reuse in any of those languages. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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A good starting point for pushing your own application to Stackato will be to have it already running locally on your laptop. This workshop will be given by Jan Dubois and Ingy d??t Net. ?_Ingy is_also_presenting_a_talk_about_Stackato. [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Sat Apr 21 01:00:02 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2012 04:00:02 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Custom Facebook Integration Message-ID: <4f926903.c55ab60a.731f.ffff8dce@mx.google.com> Juan Natera will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Attending a live entertainment event is a social experience, but at Ticketmaster we decided to take it to the next level by integrating with Facebook on our Interactive Seat Map. This Allows fans to see where their friends are seating, helping them to get seats close to their friends. 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Message-ID: <4f973e83.43a5b60a.6aa5.ffffca35@mx.google.com> Im very sorry, I posted the sold out message before verifying that my counts were correct. Im apparently a little too excited about this. =) YAPC::NA_2012 is NOT sold out. The report I ran had some duplicate data in it. So we have about 30 tickets remaining. If_youre_one_of_those_people_who_hasnt registered_yet,_then_please_do_so_before_these_tickets_are_gone_for_real.?_ Once again, Im very sorry for posting false news. YAPC::NA is not yet sold out.? [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Wed Apr 25 01:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2012 04:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] So, you want to run a Perl event? Message-ID: <4f97af03.27043c0a.108d.ffffcd7c@mx.google.com> Dan Wright will give a talk at YAPC::NA_2012 described as: Perl events come in all shapes and sizes ranging from tiny hackathons to a full-fledged YAPCs. In this talk, I will cover various lessons learned from years of running Perl events. Ill reveal some often hidden pitfalls and outline methods for success in running your event. I will also cover some of the resources that are available to help you run your event. Audience: Perl experience isnt really relevant to this talk. This talk is suited for anybody that has an interest, but little experience in event organizing. Bio: As a founding organizer for The Pittsburgh Perl Workshop, I know first-hand what it is like to run an event for the first time. Since 2006, Ive organized 5 PPWs and a YAPC. Currently, I am planning for PPW 2012 and also serving as Treasurer for The Perl Foundation. 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URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Mon Apr 30 07:48:14 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 15:48:14 +0100 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" Message-ID: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> It'd be quite nice to see some explanation of which things are limiting additional signups. 'Some of you might be thinking, ?Why would you book such a small venue??' Actually, I'm thinking "Why would you say 'sold out' and then say that you hope next year is even bigger and then not bother to actually tell us what the limiting factors were". Especially since that might help next year's organisers not be sold out :) -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 08:41:44 2012 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 08:41:44 -0700 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: In addition, I cannot imagine a reason why a YAPC could possibly be sold out. Granted, we got lucky in Columbus that we were able to book the majority of the newly-built OSU Student Union. But, having lived in Madison, the UW facilities are huge, much larger than a YAPC could possibly use. Rob On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 07:48, Matt S Trout wrote: > It'd be quite nice to see some explanation of which things are limiting > additional signups. > > 'Some of you might be thinking, ?Why would you book such a small venue??' > > Actually, I'm thinking "Why would you say 'sold out' and then say that > you hope next year is even bigger and then not bother to actually tell us > what the limiting factors were". > > Especially since that might help next year's organisers not be sold out :) > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ ? http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 08:58:29 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 10:58:29 -0500 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> Happy to. The problem is finding single rooms that will hold 400+ people. We have the keynote, the lightning talks, the banquet, the Linode Beer Garden, and the cPanel game room. All those events need to be able to support the entire attendance of YAPC in a single room. The University has such spaces, but they aren't all available to YAPC, as they have their own events using them. So the event spaces we could get are limited to around 400 people. That said, YAPC organizers would do well to get fixed facilities so they can "Sell Out". Selling out has an important psychological effect on the community and even beyond the community. It says that what we're doing is important, and valuable. It makes people curious what's going on at YAPC, and makes them more eager to attend the next event. I'm not saying you should go for a deliberately small facility, just one you think you have the ability to sell out. The largest YAPC::NA in history (YAPC Chicago 2008) was in the 380 range, and last year's YAPC was less than 300 people. So booking a facility that can support 400 people is certainly not going small. However, if next year's YAPC organizers think they'll only be able to pull in 300 people, then they shouldn't be booking a space for 500. They should do 325 or 350, something just over what they think they can sell out. So they have a reasonable goal to shoot for, but still have the ability to sell out. This is of course just my opinion, but I know many people share it. If the organizers of YAPC::NA 2013 choose not to take this advice that's absolutely fine. It's their YAPC, and I wouldn't dream of telling them how to run it. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > It'd be quite nice to see some explanation of which things are limiting > additional signups. > > 'Some of you might be thinking, ?Why would you book such a small venue??' > > Actually, I'm thinking "Why would you say 'sold out' and then say that > you hope next year is even bigger and then not bother to actually tell us > what the limiting factors were". > > Especially since that might help next year's organisers not be sold out :) > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The goal of YAPC isn't to sell tickets. It's to share knowledge. At Columbus, we gave unlimited day-passes to our Platinum sponsors and members of the OSU open-source club (whose membership in the leadership team gave us the great rates we received from OSU). I think it would be awesome to grant day-passes in Madison in a similar fashion. Maybe even advertise on WMAD that all students who have contributed to an open-source project in the prior 60 days get a free day-pass? This is an advocacy conference - be advocates. Rob On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 08:58, JT Smith wrote: > Happy to. The problem is finding single rooms that will hold 400+ people. We > have the keynote, the lightning talks, the banquet, the Linode Beer Garden, > and the cPanel game room. All those events need to be able to support the > entire attendance of YAPC in a single room. The University has such spaces, > but they aren't all available to YAPC, as they have their own events using > them. So the event spaces we could get are limited to around 400 people. > > That said, YAPC organizers would do well to get fixed facilities so they can > "Sell Out". Selling out has an important psychological effect on the > community and even beyond the community. It says that what we're doing is > important, and valuable. It makes people curious what's going on at YAPC, > and makes them more eager to attend the next event. > > I'm not saying you should go for a deliberately small facility, just one you > think you have the ability to sell out. The largest YAPC::NA in > history?(YAPC Chicago 2008)?was in the 380 ?range, and last year's YAPC was > less than 300 people. So booking a facility that can support 400 people is > certainly not going small. However, if next year's YAPC organizers think > they'll only be able to pull in 300 people, then they shouldn't be booking a > space for 500. They should do 325 or 350, something just over what they > think they can sell out. So they have a reasonable goal to shoot for, but > still have the ability to sell out. > > This is of course just my opinion, but I know many people share it. If the > organizers of YAPC::NA 2013 choose not to take this advice that's absolutely > fine. It's their YAPC, and I wouldn't dream of telling them how to run it. > > > > > JT Smith > Director, YAPC::NA 2012 > http://www.yapcna.org > > PS > > Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your > web site, or on your credits / thank you page to?http://www.perl.org > > On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > > It'd be quite nice to see some explanation of which things are limiting > additional signups. > > 'Some of you might be thinking, ?Why would you book such a small venue??' > > Actually, I'm thinking "Why would you say 'sold out' and then say that > you hope next year is even bigger and then not bother to actually tell us > what the limiting factors were". > > Especially since that might help next year's organisers not be sold out :) > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a > clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ > ??http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our > Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From casey at geeknest.com Mon Apr 30 09:18:20 2012 From: casey at geeknest.com (Casey West) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:18:20 -0400 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> Message-ID: On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, JT Smith wrote: > Happy to. The problem is finding single rooms that will hold 400+ people. > We have the keynote, the lightning talks, the banquet, the Linode Beer > Garden, and the cPanel game room. All those events need to be able to > support the entire attendance of YAPC in a single room. The University has > such spaces, but they aren't all available to YAPC, as they have their own > events using them. So the event spaces we could get are limited to around > 400 people. For what it's worth[0], not everyone will come to every plenary session. Ticket holders will not come for whatever reason, speakers will fail to show up, the hallway track will not always end when a keynote begins. People will sleep in or go for a scenic bike ride around a lake instead. I've been involved in a handful of conference organizations in the last few years and there are a couple of concerns everyone has about plenary events. 1) The room has seats for $MAX people. 2) The fire marshall is a looming threat if we exceed $MAX. 3) If we exceed $MAX our some attendees will miss out and have a poor experience. I understand it's a difficult dance. 1) is a constant, although people stand and sit on the floor as a matter of course. I've never seen 2) happen at a conference venue (although I've seen it at a hotel room party...). 3) is managed with messaging. I'll buy you a beer no matter what, JT, but I'll buy you an extra nice beer if any plenary session actually reaches the fire marshall's capacity restrictions. ;-) Future conference organizers, you should certainly be aware that the guessing game of attendance is difficult. - Casey [0] That's just, like, my opinion, man. And also my experience. But whatevs. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:19:32 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:19:32 -0500 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <410A72F9-4C8B-422A-B22F-8F3AC03EF58C@yapcna.org> Thanks for your comments. We did give free passes to every student in and around Madison that wanted them, and advertised that heavily every campus in Madison. When I say "sold out" I don't mean that we actually sold every ticket, I mean that we used every ticket. As for saying that it's poor form, that's your opinion and you have a right to it. My opinion is formed by market research, which is not to say that it's the be all end all, only that my goal is not to just run a great YAPC, but also to make sure that we grow the Perl community at large as a result of our efforts. Our goal isn't just to touch those that attend YAPC. There are many ways to do that: making Perl have active and regular releases, having a strong CPAN, having experts in the community like MST, and having companies like cPanel offering jobs are all great ways to keep growing the Perl community. But having strong events is one way I can contribute, and I have. It's no accident that we have sold more tickets than any other YAPC. This happened through meticulous planning and strategic actions of me and the entire YAPC::NA 2012 team; and we're not even close to done. We haven't unveiled our greatest effort in this area yet, so please don't make negative assertions about what is or is not the right way to do it. If after YAPC is over, you still think I'm wrong, then great. I only ask you to indulge me until you can see the whole. Thank you. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:04 AM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > For the last session of lightning talks at YAPC Columbus, we didn't > have a room able to hold everyone. So, we simulcast to a second room > with monitors. This second room was also the "noisy room". Not > everyone wants to be attentive and polite while someone else is > talking, but still want to have the discussion as a background. Given > that YAPC::NA is now becoming a traditionally-videotaped event, this > should be trivial to achieve. > > The "selling-out" thing is also rather poor form. The goal of YAPC > isn't to sell tickets. It's to share knowledge. At Columbus, we gave > unlimited day-passes to our Platinum sponsors and members of the OSU > open-source club (whose membership in the leadership team gave us the > great rates we received from OSU). I think it would be awesome to > grant day-passes in Madison in a similar fashion. Maybe even advertise > on WMAD that all students who have contributed to an open-source > project in the prior 60 days get a free day-pass? > > This is an advocacy conference - be advocates. > > Rob > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 08:58, JT Smith wrote: >> Happy to. The problem is finding single rooms that will hold 400+ people. We >> have the keynote, the lightning talks, the banquet, the Linode Beer Garden, >> and the cPanel game room. All those events need to be able to support the >> entire attendance of YAPC in a single room. The University has such spaces, >> but they aren't all available to YAPC, as they have their own events using >> them. So the event spaces we could get are limited to around 400 people. >> >> That said, YAPC organizers would do well to get fixed facilities so they can >> "Sell Out". Selling out has an important psychological effect on the >> community and even beyond the community. It says that what we're doing is >> important, and valuable. It makes people curious what's going on at YAPC, >> and makes them more eager to attend the next event. >> >> I'm not saying you should go for a deliberately small facility, just one you >> think you have the ability to sell out. The largest YAPC::NA in >> history (YAPC Chicago 2008) was in the 380 range, and last year's YAPC was >> less than 300 people. So booking a facility that can support 400 people is >> certainly not going small. However, if next year's YAPC organizers think >> they'll only be able to pull in 300 people, then they shouldn't be booking a >> space for 500. They should do 325 or 350, something just over what they >> think they can sell out. So they have a reasonable goal to shoot for, but >> still have the ability to sell out. >> >> This is of course just my opinion, but I know many people share it. If the >> organizers of YAPC::NA 2013 choose not to take this advice that's absolutely >> fine. It's their YAPC, and I wouldn't dream of telling them how to run it. >> >> >> >> >> JT Smith >> Director, YAPC::NA 2012 >> http://www.yapcna.org >> >> PS >> >> Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your >> web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org >> >> On Apr 30, 2012, at 9:48 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: >> >> It'd be quite nice to see some explanation of which things are limiting >> additional signups. >> >> 'Some of you might be thinking, ?Why would you book such a small venue??' >> >> Actually, I'm thinking "Why would you say 'sold out' and then say that >> you hope next year is even bigger and then not bother to actually tell us >> what the limiting factors were". >> >> Especially since that might help next year's organisers not be sold out :) >> >> -- >> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a >> clue >> >> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ >> http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ >> >> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our >> Catalyst >> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Weve just sold more tickets to YAPC::NA > than any other year of the conference thus far. toronto had about 500+ attendees. many were U toronto students so they didn't take up the room blocks we had reserved. also why not sell discounted standing room tickets? or set up remote viewing from the smaller halls for the plenary sessions? shouldn't be hard with the tech skill sets we have. what i am impressed with is how fast tickets sold including the classes. 6 weeks to go and 400+ sold. now, many of you will want to come to the arrival dinner. remember to sign up on the wiki page (http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner). read up on the venue and menu. i am working on getting some sort of drink discount special too. thanx, uri From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:25:10 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:25:10 -0500 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <3B590B19-B668-4807-90D9-2F1169992840@yapcna.org> I agree. Our largest room only has 390 seats, and we've sold 411 tickets. So I've taken into account the fact that not everyone will be there. And you are absolutely right. Future organizers it is very very difficult to predict how many people will attend. Some has to do with the economy, some has to do with the city in which you hold it, some has to do with how expensive overnight rooms are, some has to do with who else's going to be there, and a lot has to do with how much you're doing to promote the event. If you're unsure, certainly err on the side of having too much space rather than too little. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:18 AM, Casey West wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:58 AM, JT Smith wrote: > Happy to. The problem is finding single rooms that will hold 400+ people. We have the keynote, the lightning talks, the banquet, the Linode Beer Garden, and the cPanel game room. All those events need to be able to support the entire attendance of YAPC in a single room. The University has such spaces, but they aren't all available to YAPC, as they have their own events using them. So the event spaces we could get are limited to around 400 people. > > For what it's worth[0], not everyone will come to every plenary session. Ticket holders will not come for whatever reason, speakers will fail to show up, the hallway track will not always end when a keynote begins. People will sleep in or go for a scenic bike ride around a lake instead. > > I've been involved in a handful of conference organizations in the last few years and there are a couple of concerns everyone has about plenary events. > > 1) The room has seats for $MAX people. > 2) The fire marshall is a looming threat if we exceed $MAX. > 3) If we exceed $MAX our some attendees will miss out and have a poor experience. > > I understand it's a difficult dance. 1) is a constant, although people stand and sit on the floor as a matter of course. I've never seen 2) happen at a conference venue (although I've seen it at a hotel room party...). 3) is managed with messaging. > > I'll buy you a beer no matter what, JT, but I'll buy you an extra nice beer if any plenary session actually reaches the fire marshall's capacity restrictions. ;-) > > Future conference organizers, you should certainly be aware that the guessing game of attendance is difficult. > > - Casey > > [0] That's just, like, my opinion, man. And also my experience. But whatevs. > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From autarch at urth.org Mon Apr 30 09:25:37 2012 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:25:37 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] Advertising arrival dinners? Message-ID: JT, can you plan to do a blog post on the two arrival dinners some time closer to the event, maybe mid-May? I think it'd be good to get the word out to people that there's some social stuff happening on Tuesday night. Thanks, -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:28:40 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:28:40 -0500 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: > toronto had about 500+ attendees. many were U toronto students so they didn't take up the room blocks we had reserved. I was not aware. I asked around and everybody told me YAPC Chciago 2008 was the largest with 380ish. > also why not sell discounted standing room tickets? or set up remote viewing from the smaller halls for the plenary sessions? shouldn't be hard with the tech skill sets we have. Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats. > > what i am impressed with is how fast tickets sold including the classes. 6 weeks to go and 400+ sold. Thanks. > > now, many of you will want to come to the arrival dinner. remember to sign up on the wiki page (http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner). read up on the venue and menu. i am working on getting some sort of drink discount special too. Once you have all of the details worked out, including drink specials, please let me know and I'll promote it on the blog. > > thanx, > > uri > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:29:40 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:29:40 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Advertising arrival dinners? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4D9B9EFA-0A29-4795-9D37-A5EDEA19C7C7@yapcna.org> I will definitely do that once all the details have been worked out. Is yours completely planned at this point? I know Uri is still working on some of the details. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:25 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > JT, can you plan to do a blog post on the two arrival dinners some time closer to the event, maybe mid-May? I think it'd be good to get the word out to people that there's some social stuff happening on Tuesday night. > > > Thanks, > > -dave > > /*============================================================ > http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org > Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) > ============================================================*/ > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I think it'd be good to get the word > out to people that there's some social stuff happening on Tuesday night. > ditto. what is the list subscription like these days? are all attendees automatically subscribed (i think we used to do that as it isn't spam but useful info for yapc attendees). we used to get much more volume of mail from attendees. now it seems mostly jt (daily!) and replies to him. in my experience i would post emails every 2 weeks for the arrival dinners and more often as it got close. hard to get in my head it is in 6 weeks as yapc has usually been later in june (sometimes even extending to early july). thanx, uri From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 09:33:05 2012 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:33:05 -0700 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: You didn't ask previous organizers. At least, you didn't ask me. http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/stats shows 373 registered users with 291 having paid. This didn't count the day-passes (of which we sold a TON). In addition, Nationwide Insurance, in exchange for being a Platinum sponsor, received (essentially) unlimited day-passes. We guesstimated close to 500 people per day with almost 800 unique visitors. Rob On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:28, JT Smith wrote: >> toronto had about 500+ attendees. many were U toronto students so they didn't take up the room blocks we had reserved. > > I was not aware. I asked around and everybody told me YAPC Chciago 2008 was the largest with 380ish. > >> also why not sell discounted standing room tickets? or set up remote viewing from the smaller halls for the plenary sessions? shouldn't be hard with the tech skill sets we have. > > Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats. > >> >> what i am impressed with is how fast tickets sold including the classes. 6 weeks to go and 400+ sold. > > Thanks. > >> >> now, many of you will want to come to the arrival dinner. remember to sign up on the wiki page (http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner). read up on the venue and menu. i am working on getting some sort of drink discount special too. > > > Once you have all of the details worked out, including drink specials, please let me know and I'll promote it on the blog. > >> >> thanx, >> >> uri >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From autarch at urth.org Mon Apr 30 09:35:24 2012 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:35:24 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: <3B590B19-B668-4807-90D9-2F1169992840@yapcna.org> References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> <3B590B19-B668-4807-90D9-2F1169992840@yapcna.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, JT Smith wrote: > And you are absolutely right. Future organizers it is very very difficult to predict how many people will attend. Some has to do with the economy, > some has to do with the city in which you hold it, some has to do with how expensive overnight rooms are, some has to do with who else's going to > be there, and a lot has to do with how much you're doing to promote the event. If you're unsure, certainly err on the side of having too much space > rather than too little.? Since this is looking to be the best attended YAPC::NA ever (or in a long time?) I think it'd be great if you and the team could document some of what you did, _especially_ in regards to advertising. In general, I wish conference organizers would do a better job of documenting what they did, since organization duties rotate to new people every year. I know this is tough, since before the conference you're busy and after you're exhausted, but it would be incredibly useful. Thanks, -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:37:06 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:37:06 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Advertising arrival dinners? In-Reply-To: <4F9EBEA8.3040705@stemsystems.com> References: <4F9EBEA8.3040705@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: The blog is syndicated out to all kinds of RSS feeds and blogs around the Perl community. There are also over 100 subscribers each to out Twitter, Google+, and Facebook feeds. Not to mention whomever is subscribed to this mailing list. So I think we're pretty covered. I don't have access to the mailing list manager, and I wouldn't automatically subscribe anyone to this list anyway. I think mailing lists should be opt in rather than opt out. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:32 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 04/30/2012 12:25 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: >> JT, can you plan to do a blog post on the two arrival dinners some time >> closer to the event, maybe mid-May? I think it'd be good to get the word >> out to people that there's some social stuff happening on Tuesday night. >> > > ditto. what is the list subscription like these days? are all attendees automatically subscribed (i think we used to do that as it isn't spam but useful info for yapc attendees). we used to get much more volume of mail from attendees. now it seems mostly jt (daily!) and replies to him. > > in my experience i would post emails every 2 weeks for the arrival dinners and more often as it got close. hard to get in my head it is in 6 weeks as yapc has usually been later in june (sometimes even extending to early july). > > thanx, > > uri > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I asked around and everybody told me YAPC Chciago 2008 was the largest with 380ish. i don't have access to numbers but my feverish brain recalls another one was also over 400. it is a good target number but it shouldn't be a max as others and i have said. with video to other rooms and various no shows (expect some to not even come - illness, work emergency, etc.) you should have no real limit. >> now, many of you will want to come to the arrival dinner. remember >> to sign up on the wiki page >> (http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner). read up on >> the venue and menu. i am working on getting some sort of drink >> discount special too. > > > Once you have all of the details worked out, including drink > specials, please let me know and I'll promote it on the blog. i was planning on that. hopefully moe (the moe of moe's!) will sign off on a plan this week. i am sure we will get something but not sure what it will be. thanx, uri From autarch at urth.org Mon Apr 30 09:37:56 2012 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:37:56 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] Advertising arrival dinners? In-Reply-To: <4D9B9EFA-0A29-4795-9D37-A5EDEA19C7C7@yapcna.org> References: <4D9B9EFA-0A29-4795-9D37-A5EDEA19C7C7@yapcna.org> Message-ID: On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, JT Smith wrote: > I will definitely do that once all the details have been worked out. Is yours completely planned at this point? I know Uri is still working on some > of the details. Mine is a much less involved thing. The people who sign up will determine the details of when and where we go. Since it's usually just 10-20 people this always works out fine. There's no need to plan everything in advance. But I think it makes sense to wait til Uri's event is ready to announce, and then just talk about both together. -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:38:59 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:38:59 -0500 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> I'm not sure if you're just trying to pick a fight or not. I'm certainly not trying to say that you ran an inferior conference. All I'm saying is that we have sold out the space that we have to sell out. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:33 AM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > You didn't ask previous organizers. At least, you didn't ask me. > > http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/stats shows 373 registered users with 291 > having paid. This didn't count the day-passes (of which we sold a > TON). In addition, Nationwide Insurance, in exchange for being a > Platinum sponsor, received (essentially) unlimited day-passes. We > guesstimated close to 500 people per day with almost 800 unique > visitors. > > Rob > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:28, JT Smith wrote: >>> toronto had about 500+ attendees. many were U toronto students so they didn't take up the room blocks we had reserved. >> >> I was not aware. I asked around and everybody told me YAPC Chciago 2008 was the largest with 380ish. >> >>> also why not sell discounted standing room tickets? or set up remote viewing from the smaller halls for the plenary sessions? shouldn't be hard with the tech skill sets we have. >> >> Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats. >> >>> >>> what i am impressed with is how fast tickets sold including the classes. 6 weeks to go and 400+ sold. >> >> Thanks. >> >>> >>> now, many of you will want to come to the arrival dinner. remember to sign up on the wiki page (http://act.yapcna.org/2012/wiki?node=Arrival%20Dinner). read up on the venue and menu. i am working on getting some sort of drink discount special too. >> >> >> Once you have all of the details worked out, including drink specials, please let me know and I'll promote it on the blog. >> >>> >>> thanx, >>> >>> uri >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 09:41:13 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 11:41:13 -0500 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> <3B590B19-B668-4807-90D9-2F1169992840@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <613C079F-A404-4520-9B91-B4F51B2AC6B5@yapcna.org> We have documented everything we did. We've put it into a Google Docs account that we plan to hand down to the next year's organizers. We've also put all the data we were able to collect from previous YAPC organizers in that account. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:35 AM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, JT Smith wrote: > >> And you are absolutely right. Future organizers it is very very difficult to predict how many people will attend. Some has to do with the economy, >> some has to do with the city in which you hold it, some has to do with how expensive overnight rooms are, some has to do with who else's going to >> be there, and a lot has to do with how much you're doing to promote the event. If you're unsure, certainly err on the side of having too much space >> rather than too little. > > Since this is looking to be the best attended YAPC::NA ever (or in a long time?) I think it'd be great if you and the team could document some of what you did, _especially_ in regards to advertising. > > In general, I wish conference organizers would do a better job of documenting what they did, since organization duties rotate to new people every year. I know this is tough, since before the conference you're busy and after you're exhausted, but it would be incredibly useful. > > > Thanks, > > -dave > > /*============================================================ > http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org > Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) > ============================================================*/_______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Apr 30 09:41:38 2012 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:41:38 -0400 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> <3B590B19-B668-4807-90D9-2F1169992840@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <4F9EC0C2.7040002@stemsystems.com> On 04/30/2012 12:35 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, JT Smith wrote: > >> And you are absolutely right. Future organizers it is very very >> difficult to predict how many people will attend. Some has to do with >> the economy, >> some has to do with the city in which you hold it, some has to do with >> how expensive overnight rooms are, some has to do with who else's >> going to >> be there, and a lot has to do with how much you're doing to promote >> the event. If you're unsure, certainly err on the side of having too >> much space >> rather than too little. > > Since this is looking to be the best attended YAPC::NA ever (or in a > long time?) I think it'd be great if you and the team could document > some of what you did, _especially_ in regards to advertising. > > In general, I wish conference organizers would do a better job of > documenting what they did, since organization duties rotate to new > people every year. I know this is tough, since before the conference > you're busy and after you're exhausted, but it would be incredibly useful. extreme ditto here. we have had some info written up over the years and much of our group knowledge is still passed down somewhat slowly. most confs have the same core team so they can build up skills and experience. as dave said, we have new leaders/core almost every year (josh did two chicago's close together). yapc sales tend to be backended with the usual late rush. that is why i am so impressed with the 400 sold with 6 weeks to go. typical by this time would be 200 and the second 200 coming in over the next few weeks. thanx, uri From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Mon Apr 30 09:47:54 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 17:47:54 +0100 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:38:59AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > I'm not sure if you're just trying to pick a fight or not. I'm certainly not trying to say that you ran an inferior conference. All I'm saying is that we have sold out the space that we have to sell out. And you said: "Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats." However, as Rob said: "For the last session of lightning talks at YAPC Columbus, we didn't have a room able to hold everyone. So, we simulcast to a second room with monitors." He isn't trying to pick a fight. He's trying to tell you that Columbus found a workaround for this problem that didn't require standing room. And I think perhaps implying that you could've asked him and didn't, which is perhaps a little passive aggressive but should also be taken as an offer to ask him as many questions as you'd like in order to figure out a way to deal with this that doesn't involve preventing people coming to YAPC. Because that's really not in the spirit of the perl *community* conference that I was hoping to attend this year, and while it's your choice how you run it, I'm hearing an increasing level of murmuring in the areas of the community that I keep an eye on suggesting that more and more, this conference doesn't seem to be shaping up to be the conference other people were hoping to attend either. I do very much take your point about not judging in advance, but I'd be remiss not to express these worries now, especially given if I don't then I can hardly complain later if they don't get addressed :) -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Mon Apr 30 09:56:08 2012 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 09:56:08 -0700 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: I'm not trying to pick a fight. I think you guys have done an awesome job and probably going to have one of the better conferences of the past few years. Madison is a beautiful place to have a conference and you'll definitely have better walkable eating than we did. That said, turning someone away at the door is a pretty hard-core no-no in my book. We published our numbers quite loudly as we did have the best-attended YAPC to-date (by heads in the door, not full-passes). We did have our issues (auto-accepting every talk was seen as quite hideous by prolific speakers). But, we did find a way to make sure every person who wanted to hear a talk could do so. I'm sure you'll figure it out. Madtown is a seething morass of creativity. :) Rob On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:47, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:38:59AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: >> I'm not sure if you're just trying to pick a fight or not. I'm certainly not trying to say that you ran an inferior conference. All I'm saying is that we have sold out the space that we have to sell out. > > And you said: > > "Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire > codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to > account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if > everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats." > > However, as Rob said: > > "For the last session of lightning talks at YAPC Columbus, we didn't > have a room able to hold everyone. So, we simulcast to a second room > with monitors." > > He isn't trying to pick a fight. He's trying to tell you that Columbus found > a workaround for this problem that didn't require standing room. And I think > perhaps implying that you could've asked him and didn't, which is perhaps a > little passive aggressive but should also be taken as an offer to ask him as > many questions as you'd like in order to figure out a way to deal with this > that doesn't involve preventing people coming to YAPC. > > Because that's really not in the spirit of the perl *community* conference > that I was hoping to attend this year, and while it's your choice how you > run it, I'm hearing an increasing level of murmuring in the areas of the > community that I keep an eye on suggesting that more and more, this > conference doesn't seem to be shaping up to be the conference other people > were hoping to attend either. > > I do very much take your point about not judging in advance, but I'd be > remiss not to express these worries now, especially given if I don't then > I can hardly complain later if they don't get addressed :) > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ ? http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From chairman at yapc2010.com Mon Apr 30 10:30:01 2012 From: chairman at yapc2010.com (Heath Bair) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:30:01 -0400 Subject: [yapc] "Sold out" In-Reply-To: <4F9EC0C2.7040002@stemsystems.com> References: <20120430144814.GX19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <94D5045E-BF33-40DF-91B0-6F1E68F21EB6@yapcna.org> <3B590B19-B668-4807-90D9-2F1169992840@yapcna.org> <4F9EC0C2.7040002@stemsystems.com> Message-ID: I want to side with JT here a little. We have no idea as to what the fine print in the contract states and whether JT is being held to a specific number. He is the conference Chairman and in the end is the one in the "Hot Seat" over all decisions that are made, good or bad. I know that JT wants this to be the best YAPC ever and if he says "SOLD OUT" then that's what it is. I think that it is a wonderful thing to have reached the quota with a month and a half to go! If I might make a recommend that the Team might go back to the school and try to come up with creative ways to get more people attending. Overall congratulation on what looks like an AWESOME conference and I cant wait to be there and experience it. Heath Bair On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:41 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > On 04/30/2012 12:35 PM, Dave Rolsky wrote: >> >> On Mon, 30 Apr 2012, JT Smith wrote: >> >>> And you are absolutely right. Future organizers it is very very >>> difficult to predict how many people will attend. Some has to do with >>> the economy, >>> some has to do with the city in which you hold it, some has to do with >>> how expensive overnight rooms are, some has to do with who else's >>> going to >>> be there, and a lot has to do with how much you're doing to promote >>> the event. If you're unsure, certainly err on the side of having too >>> much space >>> rather than too little. >> >> >> Since this is looking to be the best attended YAPC::NA ever (or in a >> long time?) I think it'd be great if you and the team could document >> some of what you did, _especially_ in regards to advertising. >> >> In general, I wish conference organizers would do a better job of >> documenting what they did, since organization duties rotate to new >> people every year. I know this is tough, since before the conference >> you're busy and after you're exhausted, but it would be incredibly useful. > > > extreme ditto here. we have had some info written up over the years and much > of our group knowledge is still passed down somewhat slowly. most confs have > the same core team so they can build up skills and experience. as dave said, > we have new leaders/core almost every year (josh did two chicago's close > together). yapc sales tend to be backended with the usual late rush. that is > why i am so impressed with the 400 sold with 6 weeks to go. typical by this > time would be 200 and the second 200 coming in over the next few weeks. > > thanx, > > uri > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Heath Cell:? (440) 289-9820 From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 10:37:10 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:37:10 -0500 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: I saw his comment on that, and we do have a solution for that to some extent; more on that in a few weeks. But you can't put the banquet in two rooms. It's not just the talks, it's everything. The entire venue space and all the activities have been planned around 400 people. It's better to limit the numbers you can support and ensure that those that spent all the money to come have a good time, than to invite more than you can reasonably handle ensuring that many will be pissed about money spent and wasted. The cost of the ticket to YAPC after all is by far the smallest cost for most YAPC attendees. If you really don't want to come to YAPC because you think we're doing a bad job, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm certainly willing to take you off the speaking schedule if you decide you don't want to come because you don't think it's going to be fun. I certainly wouldn't want you to feel obligated to come. I'm sure lots of people are pissed off because we're changing things. We got rid of the auction in favor of the raffle. We've sold out of everything. We're doing a game night. We killed some of the traditional "big" talks in favor of having more 20 minute talks. We're promoting the hell out of the conference to the point that some have called us spammers. Some have raised concerns that we have "too many" sponsors. That's ok. If we go down in a blaze of glory because everything we've done fails, so be it. Change is tough. I don't think the changes are we've made are so sweeping that it will be a bad conference, but I am willing to risk it because I think its time for YAPC to evolve. Perl has evolved dramatically in the past few years, but YAPC has largely remained the same. I'm happy to take full responsibility for it. =) JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:47 AM, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:38:59AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: >> I'm not sure if you're just trying to pick a fight or not. I'm certainly not trying to say that you ran an inferior conference. All I'm saying is that we have sold out the space that we have to sell out. > > And you said: > > "Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire > codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to > account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if > everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats." > > However, as Rob said: > > "For the last session of lightning talks at YAPC Columbus, we didn't > have a room able to hold everyone. So, we simulcast to a second room > with monitors." > > He isn't trying to pick a fight. He's trying to tell you that Columbus found > a workaround for this problem that didn't require standing room. And I think > perhaps implying that you could've asked him and didn't, which is perhaps a > little passive aggressive but should also be taken as an offer to ask him as > many questions as you'd like in order to figure out a way to deal with this > that doesn't involve preventing people coming to YAPC. > > Because that's really not in the spirit of the perl *community* conference > that I was hoping to attend this year, and while it's your choice how you > run it, I'm hearing an increasing level of murmuring in the areas of the > community that I keep an eye on suggesting that more and more, this > conference doesn't seem to be shaping up to be the conference other people > were hoping to attend either. > > I do very much take your point about not judging in advance, but I'd be > remiss not to express these worries now, especially given if I don't then > I can hardly complain later if they don't get addressed :) > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 10:40:49 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 12:40:49 -0500 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: Ok. Sorry for thinking that you might want to pick a fight then. If someone shows up at the door I'm certainly not going to turn them away. If people from the area just want to come hang out for a day, they'll be welcomed with open arms. But at the same time, I don't want to commit to something I can't do. I don't want you to pay for a flight and a hotel room and then not be able to attend the banquet, see a talk you want to see, go to the game night, or hit The Perl Foundation party. If you pay all that money to come to YAPC, I want to make sure that your'e able to do everything you want to do while you're here. Anyway, yeah, I think in the end you'll be happy with what we do to solve this problem. It's been in the works for months now, but we're not quite ready to reveal it. JT Smith Director, YAPC::NA 2012 http://www.yapcna.org PS Another way you can support Perl is by adding a link to the bottom of your web site, or on your credits / thank you page to http://www.perl.org On Apr 30, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > I'm not trying to pick a fight. I think you guys have done an awesome > job and probably going to have one of the better conferences of the > past few years. Madison is a beautiful place to have a conference and > you'll definitely have better walkable eating than we did. > > That said, turning someone away at the door is a pretty hard-core > no-no in my book. We published our numbers quite loudly as we did have > the best-attended YAPC to-date (by heads in the door, not > full-passes). We did have our issues (auto-accepting every talk was > seen as quite hideous by prolific speakers). But, we did find a way to > make sure every person who wanted to hear a talk could do so. > > I'm sure you'll figure it out. Madtown is a seething morass of creativity. :) > > Rob > > On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 09:47, Matt S Trout wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 11:38:59AM -0500, JT Smith wrote: >>> I'm not sure if you're just trying to pick a fight or not. I'm certainly not trying to say that you ran an inferior conference. All I'm saying is that we have sold out the space that we have to sell out. >> >> And you said: >> >> "Because the university won't allow standing room. They're very strict on fire >> codes and such. I've sold 20 more tickets than I was supposed to sell just to >> account for the fact that some people won't actually be in the room, so if >> everybody shows up we will actually already have standing room only seats." >> >> However, as Rob said: >> >> "For the last session of lightning talks at YAPC Columbus, we didn't >> have a room able to hold everyone. So, we simulcast to a second room >> with monitors." >> >> He isn't trying to pick a fight. He's trying to tell you that Columbus found >> a workaround for this problem that didn't require standing room. And I think >> perhaps implying that you could've asked him and didn't, which is perhaps a >> little passive aggressive but should also be taken as an offer to ask him as >> many questions as you'd like in order to figure out a way to deal with this >> that doesn't involve preventing people coming to YAPC. >> >> Because that's really not in the spirit of the perl *community* conference >> that I was hoping to attend this year, and while it's your choice how you >> run it, I'm hearing an increasing level of murmuring in the areas of the >> community that I keep an eye on suggesting that more and more, this >> conference doesn't seem to be shaping up to be the conference other people >> were hoping to attend either. >> >> I do very much take your point about not judging in advance, but I'd be >> remiss not to express these worries now, especially given if I don't then >> I can hardly complain later if they don't get addressed :) >> >> -- >> Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue >> >> http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ >> >> Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst >> commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Mon Apr 30 11:04:53 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:04:53 +0100 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20120430180453.GA19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:37:10PM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > I saw his comment on that, and we do have a solution for that to some extent; more on that in a few weeks. But you can't put the banquet in two rooms. It's not just the talks, it's everything. The entire venue space and all the activities have been planned around 400 people. It's better to limit the numbers you can support and ensure that those that spent all the money to come have a good time, than to invite more than you can reasonably handle ensuring that many will be pissed about money spent and wasted. The cost of the ticket to YAPC after all is by far the smallest cost for most YAPC attendees. This. This, and your other comments, should have been in the blog post. That's what I was originally asking for - clarification. The fact that we hard to work hard to get your rationale out of you was the thing that bothered me. > We're promoting the hell out of the conference to the point that some have called us spammers. But genuine communication about decisions being taken and the reasons why hasn't been as prevalent. Had your blog post said "we're calling it for the moment because we want to ensure attendee experience - while we may be able to get a larger room for some things or a second room, the dinner simply can't be scaled any further and that's true of many other activities. But please watch this space for further news, we're working on something that will be of great interest to those of you who've missed out but we aren't quite ready to announce it" I'd've been applauding you. If you go back and update it, I'll be applauding you. "Sold out" at 411 attendees in a location big enough overall (I know that you only have a small subset of it) that I'm getting comments along the lines of "I'm mystified as to how one sells out a vanue that size without bringing in 10k people or so" needed an explanation. > Change is tough. I don't think the changes are we've made are so sweeping that it will be a bad conference, but I am willing to risk it because I think its time for YAPC to evolve. Perl has evolved dramatically in the past few years, but YAPC has largely remained the same. I'm happy to take full responsibility for it. =) I respect that. I'm saying that the brevity of the post doesn't strike me as good promotion, and that while you're convinced that the things you're doing are the right thing to do, you don't seem to be being very successful at promoting those changes to the core community, and given you seem to be doing so well at promoting the conference overall that seems like it must be an omission rather than a capability problem - so speaking up so the omission can be fixed seemed like a good idea. > If you really don't want to come to YAPC because you think we're doing a bad job, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm certainly willing to take you off the speaking schedule if you decide you don't want to come because you don't think it's going to be fun. I certainly wouldn't want you to feel obligated to come. If I'd decided I didn't want to come, I would have said that. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 11:36:35 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (JT Smith) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 13:36:35 -0500 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: <20120430180453.GA19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120430180453.GA19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <9360C2B6-B09A-48A1-90D4-AEDABB1E28AB@yapcna.org> > This, and your other comments, should have been in the blog post. > > That's what I was originally asking for - clarification. The fact that we > hard to work hard to get your rationale out of you was the thing that bothered > me. Ok. > But genuine communication about decisions being taken and the reasons > why hasn't been as prevalent. My guess is that very few care about why, and I'm happy to answer if they do care. I haven't been shy at all about responding to anyone that asks anything. But I will try to do better for getting out "why" as we move forward. > > Had your blog post said "we're calling it for the moment because we want to > ensure attendee experience - while we may be able to get a larger room for > some things or a second room, the dinner simply can't be scaled any further > and that's true of many other activities. But please watch this space for > further news, we're working on something that will be of great interest to > those of you who've missed out but we aren't quite ready to announce it" > I'd've been applauding you. Ok. I'll make a mental note about that for other announcements. > > If you go back and update it, I'll be applauding you. I've updated the original blog post, but that won't update all the various places it's syndicated to. > "Sold out" at 411 attendees in a location big enough overall (I know that > you only have a small subset of it) that I'm getting comments along the > lines of "I'm mystified as to how one sells out a vanue that size without > bringing in 10k people or so" needed an explanation. > >> Change is tough. I don't think the changes are we've made are so sweeping that it will be a bad conference, but I am willing to risk it because I think its time for YAPC to evolve. Perl has evolved dramatically in the past few years, but YAPC has largely remained the same. I'm happy to take full responsibility for it. =) > > I respect that. I'm saying that the brevity of the post doesn't strike me > as good promotion, and that while you're convinced that the things you're > doing are the right thing to do, you don't seem to be being very successful > at promoting those changes to the core community, and given you seem to be > doing so well at promoting the conference overall that seems like it must be > an omission rather than a capability problem - so speaking up so the omission > can be fixed seemed like a good idea. Fair enough. > >> If you really don't want to come to YAPC because you think we're doing a bad job, I'm sorry to hear that. I'm certainly willing to take you off the speaking schedule if you decide you don't want to come because you don't think it's going to be fun. I certainly wouldn't want you to feel obligated to come. > > If I'd decided I didn't want to come, I would have said that. Ok > > -- > Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue > > http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ > > Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst > commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Mon Apr 30 11:50:23 2012 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 19:50:23 +0100 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA SOLD OUT!!! In-Reply-To: <9360C2B6-B09A-48A1-90D4-AEDABB1E28AB@yapcna.org> References: <4f9eb703.4574b60a.30ff.ffffd41b@mx.google.com> <4F9EBBFA.2080407@stemsystems.com> <913D5248-6626-4A5C-9D7D-21D342AD11BE@yapcna.org> <20120430164754.GZ19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20120430180453.GA19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <9360C2B6-B09A-48A1-90D4-AEDABB1E28AB@yapcna.org> Message-ID: <20120430185023.GC19118@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 01:36:35PM -0500, JT Smith wrote: > My guess is that very few care about why, and I'm happy to answer if they do care. I haven't been shy at all about responding to anyone that asks anything. But I will try to do better for getting out "why" as we move forward. Maybe not a huge number do in every case, but the people who do care, really do care. And -my- guess is that the people who really care are disproportionately likely to be on your speaker list. Of course, both our guesses could be true, or both false, or somewhere in between, and I don't have any good suggestions about how to validate them. > Ok. I'll make a mental note about that for other announcements. Excellent, thanks. > > > > If you go back and update it, I'll be applauding you. > > I've updated the original blog post, but that won't update all the various places it's syndicated to. Of course. But said mental note means that's only going to be a problem this once, so we can happily file that under "bugfix propagation time" I think. Perhaps if we get a significant chunk of extra "why" to add again at some point (on the basis of "all bug fixes are incomplete, especially those on human processes") it can go into a followup post; doesn't seem worthwhile in this case, but an option to be borne in mind depending how much we care about the syndicated version. But anyway. JT++ # cheers -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From admin at yapcna.org Mon Apr 30 17:00:03 2012 From: admin at yapcna.org (YAPC::NA Director) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2012 20:00:03 -0400 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA 2013 Call for Venue Message-ID: <4f9f2783.660e3c0a.2b98.0f65@mx.google.com> YAPC::NA_2013_Call_for_Venue: If you?re interested in running YAPC next year, then apply to organize it! [From the YAPC::NA_Blog.] -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: