From BAIRH at nationwide.com Fri Apr 2 09:05:13 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 12:05:13 -0400 Subject: [yapc] UTILIKILT at YAPC? Message-ID: There has been some interest in bringing UTILIKILT to YAPC but to do that they are asking for people to express interest. We setup a WIKI page http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=Utilikilts for people to express their interest in their Kilts. This page will be monitored by UTILIKILT for interest. So if you are going to YAPC and are interested in a kilt please update the Wiki. Heath From krishnoid+yapc+rat at gmail.com Sun Apr 11 13:24:56 2010 From: krishnoid+yapc+rat at gmail.com (Krishna Sethuraman) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:24:56 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Bought my plane tickets too early ... Message-ID: I bought my plane tickets early to try to get a good deal, arriving Sat morning and leaving Fri afternoon ... and it turns out dorm rooms are only available Sun night through Thu morning. Staying at the hotel will increase the total cost of the travel/accommodation for me by about 50%. Any locals feel like taking pity on someone who wanted to not procrastinate for once in his life, and put me up for a couple nights at the beginning and end of the conference? I'd be willing to come to a reasonable financial agreement for a place to land and take off from. I plan on renting a car, and would be willing to provide use of it for those days, especially if the organizers could use some help in setting up -- I just really don't want to stay at a hotel, and I'm very low maintenance. Thanks, Krishna From BAIRH at nationwide.com Mon Apr 12 12:30:49 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:30:49 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 2 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All: I do have a limited amount of dorm rooms available for Friday / Saturday for early attendees. Please let me know and I will send you a special registration code to signup for them. Heath yapc-request@ pm.org From Sent by: yapc-request at pm.org yapc-bounces To +bairh=nation yapc at pm.org wide.com at pm.o cc rg Subject yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 2 04/12/2010 03:01 PM Please respond to yapc at pm.org Send yapc mailing list submissions to yapc at pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to yapc-request at pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at yapc-owner at pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of yapc digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Bought my plane tickets too early ... (Krishna Sethuraman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:24:56 -0700 From: Krishna Sethuraman Subject: [yapc] Bought my plane tickets too early ... To: YAPC Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I bought my plane tickets early to try to get a good deal, arriving Sat morning and leaving Fri afternoon ... and it turns out dorm rooms are only available Sun night through Thu morning. Staying at the hotel will increase the total cost of the travel/accommodation for me by about 50%. Any locals feel like taking pity on someone who wanted to not procrastinate for once in his life, and put me up for a couple nights at the beginning and end of the conference? I'd be willing to come to a reasonable financial agreement for a place to land and take off from. I plan on renting a car, and would be willing to provide use of it for those days, especially if the organizers could use some help in setting up -- I just really don't want to stay at a hotel, and I'm very low maintenance. Thanks, Krishna ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc End of yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 2 *********************************** From kent at c2group.net Mon Apr 12 12:39:20 2010 From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:39:20 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Bought my plane tickets too early ... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3694ef01c02eee448586e03075e3dde5@roundcube-imap.mailstore.pobox.com> On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:30:49 -0400, BAIRH at nationwide.com wrote: > I do have a limited amount of dorm rooms available for Friday / Saturday > for early attendees. Please let me know and I will send you a special > registration code to signup for them. How about rooms thursday/friday (after yapc) for people who bought deparatures afterward the conference for purposes of either the classes or the hackathon? -- Kent Cowgill kent at c2group.net http://kentcowgill.org/blog http://youtube.com/kcowgill http://kentcowgill.org/photos http://flickr.com/people/kcowgill From bluefeet at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 19:50:30 2010 From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 19:50:30 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Bought my plane tickets too early ... In-Reply-To: <3694ef01c02eee448586e03075e3dde5@roundcube-imap.mailstore.pobox.com> References: <3694ef01c02eee448586e03075e3dde5@roundcube-imap.mailstore.pobox.com> Message-ID: I'm in a similar boat.. I'll be staying for the classes/hackathons on Thursday/Friday + the weekend and would love to find a cheap place to crash. I was hoping that there would be some economical community-oriented occomodations (hostels), but from all my searches there isn't a single one in Columbus. :( If anyone wants to rent-a-perl-hacker to live in their home/apartment for a couple days - contact me! :) Aran On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:39 PM, Kent Cowgill wrote: > On Mon, 12 Apr 2010 15:30:49 -0400, BAIRH at nationwide.com wrote: > > I do have a limited amount of dorm rooms available for Friday / Saturday > > for early attendees. Please let me know and I will send you a special > > registration code to signup for them. > > How about rooms thursday/friday (after yapc) for people who bought > deparatures afterward the conference for purposes of either the classes or > the hackathon? > > -- > Kent Cowgill kent at c2group.net > > http://kentcowgill.org/blog http://youtube.com/kcowgill > http://kentcowgill.org/photos http://flickr.com/people/kcowgill > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ddascalescu+yapc at gmail.com Mon Apr 12 22:14:40 2010 From: ddascalescu+yapc at gmail.com (Dan Dascalescu) Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 22:14:40 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Bought my plane tickets too early ... In-Reply-To: References: <3694ef01c02eee448586e03075e3dde5@roundcube-imap.mailstore.pobox.com> Message-ID: Aran, Krishna, Sounds like Couchsurfing would be a perfect match for you: http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html -- Dan http://wiki.dandascalescu.com/.list/Perl On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 19:50, Aran Deltac wrote: > I'm in a similar boat.. I'll be staying for the classes/hackathons on > Thursday/Friday + the weekend and would love to find a cheap place to > crash.? I was hoping that there would be some economical community-oriented > occomodations (hostels), but from all my searches there isn't a single one > in Columbus.? :(? If anyone wants to rent-a-perl-hacker to live in their > home/apartment for a couple days - contact me!? :) > > Aran From jon at hogue.org Mon Apr 12 22:24:54 2010 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 01:24:54 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Bought my plane tickets too early ... In-Reply-To: References: <3694ef01c02eee448586e03075e3dde5@roundcube-imap.mailstore.pobox.com> Message-ID: Cool site! Once we find out the final need, I can help find some beds for folks. On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 1:14 AM, Dan Dascalescu wrote: > Aran, Krishna, > > Sounds like Couchsurfing would be a perfect match for you: > > http://www.couchsurfing.org/mapsurf.html > > -- > Dan > http://wiki.dandascalescu.com/.list/Perl > > On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 19:50, Aran Deltac wrote: >> I'm in a similar boat.. I'll be staying for the classes/hackathons on >> Thursday/Friday + the weekend and would love to find a cheap place to >> crash.? I was hoping that there would be some economical community-oriented >> occomodations (hostels), but from all my searches there isn't a single one >> in Columbus.? :(? If anyone wants to rent-a-perl-hacker to live in their >> home/apartment for a couple days - contact me!? :) >> >> Aran > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From BAIRH at nationwide.com Tue Apr 13 10:48:22 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:48:22 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Perl Conference at The Ohio State University, June 21-23rd 2010 Message-ID: All: YAPC::NA 2010 is almost here! http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/ June 21st ? 23rd 2010 is quickly approaching and Columbus.PM is getting very excited. Hotel reservation information is available, dorm reservation details are up and ready, the conference is quickly approaching. For everyone still looking for YAPC::NA 2010 details here is what we have planned. The conference will be held in the brand new beautiful The Ohio State Union http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=ConferenceSummary The main dorm location is Morrison Tower and the Hotel conference block is in The Blackwell Inn. http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=Accommodations Larry Wall, Damian Conway, Randal Schwartz, and many others will be in attendance. Early registration is quickly coming to an end so make sure that you forward this to all of your friends and coworkers and get signed up today! I hope to see you all at YAPC::NA 2010 in beautiful Columbus, Ohio. Heath Bair YAPC::NA 2010 Conference Chairman From ddaupert at sbcglobal.net Tue Apr 13 13:45:07 2010 From: ddaupert at sbcglobal.net (Dennis Daupert) Date: Tue, 13 Apr 2010 13:45:07 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [yapc] yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <820457.1461.qm@web82105.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Heath::BAIRH at nationwide.com > I do have a limited amount of dorm rooms available for > Friday / Saturday for early attendees.? Please let me > know and I will send you a special registration code.... I take it that dorm accommodations are not available for hackathon or workshop attendees. Any reason for that? I sold the company I work for on the idea of sending me to the conference plus additional training based partly on the low cost of staying in a dorm.... /dennis -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Tue, Apr 13, 2010 at 3:45 PM, Dennis Daupert wrote: > Heath::BAIRH at nationwide.com > > I do have a limited amount of dorm rooms available for > > Friday / Saturday for early attendees. Please let me > > know and I will send you a special registration code.... > > I take it that dorm accommodations are not available > for hackathon or workshop attendees. Any reason for > that? > > I sold the company I work for on the idea of sending me > to the conference plus additional training based partly > on the low cost of staying in a dorm.... > > /dennis > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Fri Apr 16 12:36:11 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 15:36:11 -0400 Subject: [yapc] [yapc-admins] YAPC: Talks list? In-Reply-To: <20100416150157.142cf9d2@summersault.com> References: <20100416150157.142cf9d2@summersault.com> Message-ID: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 15:01, Mark Stosberg wrote: > > Hello, > > Our company is waiting to see the talks list before deciding which and > how many developers to send. > > The website said the list would be published no later than today. > However, I don't see the list on the website. > > What updated expected should have about when to find the list of talks > online? (short answer): It will be published this weekend. (longer answer): We had some snafus with the rooms that caused issues with knowing how many tracks we would be able to support. That was sorted out last night, so I will be putting the tracks and talks together and they will be online by Sunday night. Rob From BAIRH at nationwide.com Fri Apr 16 13:32:41 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 16:32:41 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Whats Up with YAPC::NA Message-ID: We are working on getting UTILIKILT to come to YAPC and bring Kilts for everyone to try on. Please check out this WIKI page for further information. http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=Utilikilts I have a quote for a 10 block of rooms for $99/night, but I have to sign a contract for them if you think that we can fill this block put your comments here? http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=Hotels If you are flying into CMH and need a ride from the airport to campus put your information on http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=PickMeUp If you are flying into CMH and need a ride from campus back to the airport put your information on http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=TakeMeBack The rooms are all ready to go we are just finishing up the talk spots now. All of the talks will be accepted and Tracked out by Sunday evening. Also I still have a couple of Friday/Saturday night dorms available so if you need a place to stay let me know. It is still not to late to get your company interested in attending the Job Fair or being a sponsor of YAPC. Please let me know who I can contact and I will more then gladly solicit sponsors. Heath From schwern at pobox.com Mon Apr 19 03:30:22 2010 From: schwern at pobox.com (Michael G Schwern) Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 13:30:22 +0300 Subject: [yapc] Whats Up with YAPC::NA In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BCC30BE.5000701@pobox.com> BAIRH at nationwide.com wrote: > I have a quote for a 10 block of rooms for $99/night, but I have to sign a > contract for them if you think that we can fill this block put your > comments here? > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010/wiki?node=Hotels Is that $99 per night per person? Or per room? If per room, how many per room? -- Being faith-based doesn't trump reality. -- Bruce Sterling From jesserthompson at yahoo.com Tue Apr 20 10:48:03 2010 From: jesserthompson at yahoo.com (Jesse Thompson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:48:03 -0500 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? Message-ID: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> seems to be a redirect problem http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 10:50:13 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:50:13 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> Message-ID: http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. Rob On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson wrote: > seems to be a redirect problem > > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From jon at hogue.org Tue Apr 20 10:53:25 2010 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:53:25 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Me too. Why does your URL have "* yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"* It's just yn2010 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > > Rob > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > wrote: > > seems to be a redirect problem > > > > > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> GET yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? 299ms GET yn2010yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? 149ms GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? 152ms GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? ad infinitum On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > Me too. > Why does your URL have > "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ > > It's just yn2010 > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon > wrote: > > http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > > Rob > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > > wrote: > > seems to be a redirect problem > > > > > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > From jesserthompson at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 11:00:59 2010 From: jesserthompson at gmail.com (Jesse Thompson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:00:59 -0500 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. Jesse On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > > GET yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > 299ms > > > GET yn2010yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > 149ms > > > GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > 152ms > > > GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > ad infinitum > > On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >> Me too. >> Why does your URL have >> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >> >> >> It's just yn2010 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon > > wrote: >> >> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. >> >> Rob >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >> > wrote: >> > seems to be a redirect problem >> > >> > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > yapc mailing list >> > yapc at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Rob Kinyon >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> From robert at robertblackwell.com Tue Apr 20 11:36:59 2010 From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:36:59 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am seeing the redirect problem too. It started sometime yesterday. On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. > > Jesse > > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: >> >> GET yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 299ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 149ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 152ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> ad infinitum >> >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >>> Me too. >>> Why does your URL have >>> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >>> >>> >>> It's just yn2010 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon >> > wrote: >>> >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >>> > wrote: >>> > seems to be a redirect problem >>> > >>> > >>> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > yapc mailing list >>> > yapc at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Rob Kinyon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From robert at robertblackwell.com Tue Apr 20 11:43:13 2010 From: robert at robertblackwell.com (Robert Blackwell) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:43:13 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> If you go to http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ it will work but going to http://yapc2010.com/ give the redirect loop for me. On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. > > Jesse > > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: >> >> GET yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 299ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 149ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 152ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> ad infinitum >> >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >>> Me too. >>> Why does your URL have >>> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >>> >>> >>> It's just yn2010 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon >> > wrote: >>> >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >>> > wrote: >>> > seems to be a redirect problem >>> > >>> > >>> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > yapc mailing list >>> > yapc at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Rob Kinyon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From jon at hogue.org Tue Apr 20 11:54:37 2010 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:54:37 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> Message-ID: Thanks Robert and Jesse. Heath is on it, in #yapc now. On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Robert Blackwell < robert at robertblackwell.com> wrote: > If you go to http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ it will work but going to > http://yapc2010.com/ give the redirect loop for me. > > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > > > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and > Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using > Safari on a Mac. > > > > Jesse > > > > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >> > >> GET yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> 299ms > >> > >> > >> GET yn2010yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> 149ms > >> > >> > >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> 152ms > >> > >> > >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> ad infinitum > >> > >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > >>> Me too. > >>> Why does your URL have > >>> > "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ > >>> > >>> > >>> It's just yn2010 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon >>> > wrote: > >>> > >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > >>> > >>> Rob > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > >>> > wrote: > >>> > seems to be a redirect problem > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > yapc mailing list > >>> > yapc at pm.org > >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks, > >>> Rob Kinyon > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> yapc mailing list > >>> yapc at pm.org > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BAIRH at nationwide.com Tue Apr 20 11:54:56 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:54:56 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 7 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Yesterday afternoon the DNS for yapc2010.com changed If you are on windows and still have problems 1) Close your browsers 2) Run the following DOS command C:\>ipconfig /flushdns If you still have problems in Windows run the following command c:\>ipconfig /displaydns Should show yapc2010.com ---------------------------------------- Record Name . . . . . : yapc2010.com Record Type . . . . . : 1 Time To Live . . . . : 81460 Data Length . . . . . : 4 Section . . . . . . . : Answer A (Host) Record . . . : 81.80.147.194 If you are on a MAC and have problems 1) Close your browsers 2) Run the following command bash-2.05a$ dscacheutil -flushcache To view your MAC DNS cache run bash-2.05a$ lookupd -flushcache Heath Bair Chairman YAPC::NA 2010 yapc-request@ pm.org From Sent by: yapc-request at pm.org yapc-bounces To +bairh=nation yapc at pm.org wide.com at pm.o cc rg Subject yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 7 04/20/2010 02:43 PM Please respond to yapc at pm.org Send yapc mailing list submissions to yapc at pm.org To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to yapc-request at pm.org You can reach the person managing the list at yapc-owner at pm.org When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of yapc digest..." Today's Topics: 1. yapc web site down? (Jesse Thompson) 2. Re: yapc web site down? (Rob Kinyon) 3. Re: yapc web site down? (Jonathan Hogue) 4. Re: yapc web site down? (Jesse Thompson) 5. Re: yapc web site down? (Jesse Thompson) 6. Re: yapc web site down? (Robert Blackwell) 7. Re: yapc web site down? (Robert Blackwell) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 12:48:03 -0500 From: Jesse Thompson Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? To: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: <4BCDE8D3.6010405 at yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed seems to be a redirect problem http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:50:13 -0400 From: Rob Kinyon Subject: Re: [yapc] yapc web site down? To: Jesse Thompson Cc: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. Rob On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson wrote: > seems to be a redirect problem > > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:53:25 -0400 From: Jonathan Hogue Subject: Re: [yapc] yapc web site down? To: Rob Kinyon Cc: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Me too. Why does your URL have "* yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"* It's just yn2010 On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > > Rob > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > wrote: > > seems to be a redirect problem > > > > > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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To: Jonathan Hogue Cc: Jesse Thompson , yapc at pm.org Message-ID: <4BCDEAD7.5050009 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed GET yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? 299ms GET yn2010yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? 149ms GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? 152ms GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 301 Moved Permanently conferences.mongueurs.net ? ad infinitum On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > Me too. > Why does your URL have > "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ > > It's just yn2010 > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon > wrote: > > http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > > Rob > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > > wrote: > > seems to be a redirect problem > > > > > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > -- > Thanks, > Rob Kinyon > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > ------------------------------ Message: 5 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 13:00:59 -0500 From: Jesse Thompson Subject: Re: [yapc] yapc web site down? To: Jonathan Hogue Cc: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: <4BCDEBDB.8060709 at gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. Jesse On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > > GET yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > 299ms > > > GET yn2010yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > 149ms > > > GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > 152ms > > > GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010> > > 301 Moved Permanently > > conferences.mongueurs.net > > ? > > > ad infinitum > > On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >> Me too. >> Why does your URL have >> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >> >> >> It's just yn2010 >> >> >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon > >> wrote: >> >> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/> works for me. >> >> Rob >> >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >> > wrote: >> > seems to be a redirect problem >> > >> > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > yapc mailing list >> > yapc at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Thanks, >> Rob Kinyon >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> ------------------------------ Message: 6 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:36:59 -0400 From: Robert Blackwell Subject: Re: [yapc] yapc web site down? To: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I am seeing the redirect problem too. It started sometime yesterday. On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. > > Jesse > > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: >> >> GET yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 299ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 149ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 152ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> ad infinitum >> >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >>> Me too. >>> Why does your URL have >>> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >>> >>> >>> It's just yn2010 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon >> > wrote: >>> >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >>> > wrote: >>> > seems to be a redirect problem >>> > >>> > >>> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > yapc mailing list >>> > yapc at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Rob Kinyon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org <:mailto:yapc at pm.org>>> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc ------------------------------ Message: 7 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:43:13 -0400 From: Robert Blackwell Subject: Re: [yapc] yapc web site down? To: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C at robertblackwell.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii If you go to http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ it will work but going to http://yapc2010.com/ give the redirect loop for me. On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. > > Jesse > > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: >> >> GET yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 299ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 149ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> 152ms >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> ? >> >> >> ad infinitum >> >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >>> Me too. >>> Why does your URL have >>> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >>> >>> >>> It's just yn2010 >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon >> > wrote: >>> >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. >>> >>> Rob >>> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >>> > wrote: >>> > seems to be a redirect problem >>> > >>> > >>> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ >>> > yapc mailing list >>> > yapc at pm.org >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> > >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thanks, >>> Rob Kinyon >>> _______________________________________________ >>> yapc mailing list >>> yapc at pm.org <:mailto:yapc at pm.org>>> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >>> >>> > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc End of yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 7 *********************************** From jon at hogue.org Tue Apr 20 11:56:15 2010 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:56:15 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> Message-ID: Oh, I should mention, there was a change yesterday, and the old DNS entry is causing the loop. Flushing your DNS cache should fix the issue (or waiting for the cache to expire will fix it too.) On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > Thanks Robert and Jesse. Heath is on it, in #yapc now. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Robert Blackwell < > robert at robertblackwell.com> wrote: > >> If you go to http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ it will work but going to >> http://yapc2010.com/ give the redirect loop for me. >> >> >> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: >> >> > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and >> Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using >> Safari on a Mac. >> > >> > Jesse >> > >> > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: >> >> >> >> GET yn2010 >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 >> >> >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >> 299ms >> >> >> >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010 >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 >> >> >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >> 149ms >> >> >> >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >> 152ms >> >> >> >> >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >> >> >> 301 Moved Permanently >> >> >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net >> >> >> >> ? >> >> >> >> >> >> ad infinitum >> >> >> >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >> >>> Me too. >> >>> Why does your URL have >> >>> >> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> It's just yn2010 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon > >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. >> >>> >> >>> Rob >> >>> >> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> > seems to be a redirect problem >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 >> >>> >> >>> > _______________________________________________ >> >>> > yapc mailing list >> >>> > yapc at pm.org >> >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >>> > >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Thanks, >> >>> Rob Kinyon >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> yapc mailing list >> >>> yapc at pm.org >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >>> >> >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >> > yapc mailing list >> > yapc at pm.org >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> >> _______________________________________________ >> yapc mailing list >> yapc at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc >> > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jesserthompson at gmail.com Tue Apr 20 12:06:31 2010 From: jesserthompson at gmail.com (Jesse Thompson) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:06:31 -0500 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> Message-ID: <4BCDFB37.10409@gmail.com> What is the correct IP? Jesse On 04/20/2010 01:56 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > Oh, I should mention, there was a change yesterday, and the old DNS > entry is causing the loop. > Flushing your DNS cache should fix the issue (or waiting for the cache > to expire will fix it too.) > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue > wrote: > > Thanks Robert and Jesse. Heath is on it, in #yapc now. > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Robert Blackwell > > wrote: > > If you go to http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ it will work but going > to http://yapc2010.com/ give the redirect loop for me. > > > On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > > > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux > and Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my > colleague, who is using Safari on a Mac. > > > > Jesse > > > > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >> > >> GET yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> 299ms > >> > >> > >> GET yn2010yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> 149ms > >> > >> > >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> 152ms > >> > >> > >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> > >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> > >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> > >> ? > >> > >> > >> ad infinitum > >> > >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > >>> Me too. > >>> Why does your URL have > >>> > "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ > >>> > >>> > >>> It's just yn2010 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon > > >>> >> wrote: > >>> > >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > >>> > >>> Rob > >>> > >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > >>> > >> wrote: > >>> > seems to be a redirect problem > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >>> > >>> > _______________________________________________ > >>> > yapc mailing list > >>> > yapc at pm.org > > >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Thanks, > >>> Rob Kinyon > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> yapc mailing list > >>> yapc at pm.org > > >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >>> > >>> > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From miner at doit.wisc.edu Tue Apr 20 12:25:49 2010 From: miner at doit.wisc.edu (Jon Miner) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:25:49 -0500 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> Message-ID: <20100420192549.GA25603@speed.doit.wisc.edu> Your TTL is 86400 ... It'll take at least 24 hours for everyone to get the update. For those who can't just flush their DNS that's quite a problem. What address should we be getting? I'm getting 81.80.147.194 from our DNS and from the authoritative DNS listed. My machine has cached 74.208.125.126, which, naturally, doesn't work. I'm going to guess that 81.80.147.194 is right. Clearing my local cache has reduced my problem to being a need to restart my browser, which has cached the 301's from earlier. jon * Jonathan Hogue [2010-04-20 14:56 -0400]: > Oh, I should mention, there was a change yesterday, and the old DNS entry is > causing the loop. > > Flushing your DNS cache should fix the issue (or waiting for the cache to > expire will fix it too.) > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:54 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > > > Thanks Robert and Jesse. Heath is on it, in #yapc now. > > > > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 2:43 PM, Robert Blackwell < > > robert at robertblackwell.com> wrote: > > > >> If you go to http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ it will work but going to > >> http://yapc2010.com/ give the redirect loop for me. > >> > >> > >> On Apr 20, 2010, at 2:00 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >> > >> > By the way, it happens on multiple browsers (FireFox on Linux and > >> Chrome on Windows) machines. It also happens to my colleague, who is using > >> Safari on a Mac. > >> > > >> > Jesse > >> > > >> > On 04/20/2010 12:56 PM, Jesse Thompson wrote: > >> >> > >> >> GET yn2010 > >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010 > >> >> > >> >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> >> > >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> >> > >> >> ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 299ms > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> GET yn2010yn2010 > >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010 > >> >> > >> >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> >> > >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> >> > >> >> ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 149ms > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> >> > >> >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> >> > >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> >> > >> >> ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> 152ms > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> GET yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> >> > >> >> 301 Moved Permanently > >> >> > >> >> conferences.mongueurs.net > >> >> > >> >> ? > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> ad infinitum > >> >> > >> >> On 04/20/2010 12:53 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > >> >>> Me too. > >> >>> Why does your URL have > >> >>> > >> "_yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010"_ > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> It's just yn2010 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Rob Kinyon >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/ works for me. > >> >>> > >> >>> Rob > >> >>> > >> >>> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:48, Jesse Thompson > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> > seems to be a redirect problem > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> http://conferences.mongueurs.net/yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010yn2010 > >> >>> > >> >>> > _______________________________________________ > >> >>> > yapc mailing list > >> >>> > yapc at pm.org > >> >>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> >>> > > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Thanks, > >> >>> Rob Kinyon > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> yapc mailing list > >> >>> yapc at pm.org > >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > yapc mailing list > >> > yapc at pm.org > >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> yapc mailing list > >> yapc at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >> > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- .Jonathan J. 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In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDE8D3.6010405@yahoo.com> <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> <20100420192549.GA25603@speed.doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: >From talking to heath, the change was made more than 24 hours ago, so most dns caches respecting the ttl should be updated. 81... is the correct address. On Apr 20, 2010 3:25 PM, "Jon Miner" wrote: Your TTL is 86400 ... It'll take at least 24 hours for everyone to get the update. For those who can't just flush their DNS that's quite a problem. What address should we be getting? I'm getting 81.80.147.194 from our DNS and from the authoritative DNS listed. My machine has cached 74.208.125.126, which, naturally, doesn't work. I'm going to guess that 81.80.147.194 is right. Clearing my local cache has reduced my problem to being a need to restart my browser, which has cached the 301's from earlier. jon * Jonathan Hogue [2010-04-20 14:56 -0400]: > Oh, I should mention, there was a change yesterday, and the old DNS entry is > causing the loop. >... -- .Jonathan J. Miner------------------Division of Information Technology. |miner at doit.wisc.edu University Of Wisconsin - Madison| |608/262.9655 Room 3148 Computer Science| `---------------------------------------------------------------------' Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless. -- Homer Simpson Homer the Vigilante (175/820) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From miner at doit.wisc.edu Tue Apr 20 12:46:24 2010 From: miner at doit.wisc.edu (Jon Miner) Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2010 14:46:24 -0500 Subject: [yapc] yapc web site down? In-Reply-To: References: <4BCDEAD7.5050009@gmail.com> <4BCDEBDB.8060709@gmail.com> <0C8DB64C-2FCC-489A-B532-3BF88D8F733C@robertblackwell.com> <20100420192549.GA25603@speed.doit.wisc.edu> Message-ID: <20100420194624.GC25603@speed.doit.wisc.edu> Interesting. At 13:57 CST I got 74.208.125.126 from our DNS, which was still wrong until our guys flushed it at 14:03 CST. My local machine cache stayed wrong until I manually flushed it, but I couldn't figure out how to dump what it thought the TTL had remaining, for all I know it was about to expire. Ahh, the voodoo of the duct tape that binds the galaxy together. jon * Jonathan Hogue [2010-04-20 15:35 -0400]: > From talking to heath, the change was made more than 24 hours ago, so most > dns caches respecting the ttl should be updated. > > 81... is the correct address. > > On Apr 20, 2010 3:25 PM, "Jon Miner" wrote: > > Your TTL is 86400 ... It'll take at least 24 hours for everyone to get > the update. > > For those who can't just flush their DNS that's quite a problem. > > What address should we be getting? I'm getting 81.80.147.194 from our > DNS and from the authoritative DNS listed. My machine has cached > 74.208.125.126, which, naturally, doesn't work. I'm going to guess that > 81.80.147.194 is right. > > Clearing my local cache has reduced my problem to being a need to > restart my browser, which has cached the 301's from earlier. > > jon > > * Jonathan Hogue [2010-04-20 14:56 -0400]: > > > Oh, I should mention, there was a change yesterday, and the old DNS entry > is > > causing the loop. > >... > -- > .Jonathan J. 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Regards, Todd Olson From BAIRH at nationwide.com Sun Apr 25 11:54:33 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 14:54:33 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Registering for Training for YAPC::NA::2010 (Todd Olson) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: All: YAPC::NA 2010 Post Conference Classes are now on-line. http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/purchase Heath Bair Chairman YAPC::NA 2010 From: Todd Olson Subject: [yapc] Registering for Training for YAPC::NA::2010 To: yapc at pm.org Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi I can't figure out how to register for any of the training courses being offered after YAPC. Any hints .... ? Regards, Todd Olson From BAIRH at nationwide.com Sun Apr 25 12:03:27 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:03:27 -0400 Subject: [yapc] yapc Digest, Vol 51, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Todd: At this moment this is all I know about the Triples is that all of the beds are in the same room. I will put in a call to the OSU conference services coordinator and ask for this information. Heath Bair Chairman YAPC::NA 2010 > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2010 16:02:43 -0400 > From: Todd Olson > Subject: [yapc] Dorm Room Options ... > To: yapc at pm.org > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > I'm not able to find any information about what the dorm rooms are like, > even after digging around on the OSU housing site. > For example ... is the 'triple' option a broom closet with three stacked > bunks? Any hints as to where I can find information. > > > Regards, > Todd Olson > From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Wed Apr 28 20:30:16 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 23:30:16 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talks have been scheduled Message-ID: 13 days late, but they're scheduled and slotted. If you have a talk, please review when you're scheduled to make sure there are no conflicts. We still have room for 4 more 40-min talks. If you want, please submit one. -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From perl at cjmweb.net Wed Apr 28 20:42:20 2010 From: perl at cjmweb.net (Christopher J. Madsen) Date: Wed, 28 Apr 2010 22:42:20 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Talks have been scheduled In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4BD9001C.6000003@cjmweb.net> On 4/28/2010 10:30 PM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > 13 days late, but they're scheduled and slotted. Where is this schedule? All the talks I've looked at here (http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/talks) still say "Not scheduled yet." -- Chris Madsen perl at cjmweb.net -------------------- http://www.cjmweb.net -------------------- From jkeen at verizon.net Thu Apr 29 04:49:16 2010 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 07:49:16 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talks have been scheduled In-Reply-To: <4BD9001C.6000003@cjmweb.net> References: <4BD9001C.6000003@cjmweb.net> Message-ID: <3C09ACED-094F-4E66-BA33-DFAE4FEB43A9@verizon.net> On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Christopher J. Madsen wrote: > On 4/28/2010 10:30 PM, Rob Kinyon wrote: >> 13 days late, but they're scheduled and slotted. > > Where is this schedule? All the talks I've looked at here > (http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/talks) still say "Not scheduled yet." My observation as well. I appreciate the work the organizers have done with respect to gathering and evaluating proposals, but at this point people want to start planning their daily schedules. (And us speakers need to know when we're speaking!) Thank you very much. Jim Keenan From waltman at pobox.com Thu Apr 29 07:19:16 2010 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:19:16 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talks have been scheduled In-Reply-To: <3C09ACED-094F-4E66-BA33-DFAE4FEB43A9@verizon.net> References: <4BD9001C.6000003@cjmweb.net> <3C09ACED-094F-4E66-BA33-DFAE4FEB43A9@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20100429141916.GA23063@mawode.com> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:49:16AM -0400, James E Keenan wrote: > > On Apr 28, 2010, at 11:42 PM, Christopher J. Madsen wrote: > > >On 4/28/2010 10:30 PM, Rob Kinyon wrote: > >>13 days late, but they're scheduled and slotted. > > > >Where is this schedule? All the talks I've looked at here > >(http://yapc2010.com/yn2010/talks) still say "Not scheduled yet." > > My observation as well. I appreciate the work the organizers have > done with respect to gathering and evaluating proposals, but at this > point people want to start planning their daily schedules. (And us > speakers need to know when we're speaking!) Wow, people actually plan their yapc schedules 7 1/2 weeks ahead of time? I usually don't know which talks I want to see when they're starting! Anyway, they're aware of the problem and I'm sure they'll get it fixed shortly. Surely another day or two won't matter. Walt From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 07:31:30 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:31:30 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talks have been scheduled In-Reply-To: <20100429141916.GA23063@mawode.com> References: <4BD9001C.6000003@cjmweb.net> <3C09ACED-094F-4E66-BA33-DFAE4FEB43A9@verizon.net> <20100429141916.GA23063@mawode.com> Message-ID: Problem is fixed. Candybar just needed to flip a bit. Please note that we reserve the right to fiddle with when things are exactly scheduled until we actually print things. :) Rob From pcory at wcpss.net Thu Apr 29 07:55:04 2010 From: pcory at wcpss.net (Paul Cory) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 10:55:04 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talks have been scheduled In-Reply-To: <20100429141916.GA23063@mawode.com> References: <4BD9001C.6000003@cjmweb.net> <3C09ACED-094F-4E66-BA33-DFAE4FEB43A9@verizon.net> <20100429141916.GA23063@mawode.com> Message-ID: >>Wow, people actually plan their yapc schedules 7 1/2 weeks ahead of >>time? I usually don't know which talks I want to see when they're starting! Another perspective: I cannot get permission/funding to attend without a list of talks to prove that my time will be spent on topics relevant to my job. Paul Cory WCPSS Webmaster -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 10:46:34 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:46:34 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed Message-ID: The last couple slots have been taken. So, unless you can convince a friend to drop his talk, the only option is a lightning talk on Monday or Tuesday. -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From david at fetter.org Thu Apr 29 11:02:42 2010 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:02:42 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 01:46:34PM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote: > The last couple slots have been taken. So, unless you can convince a > friend to drop his talk, the only option is a lightning talk on > Monday or Tuesday. Rob, I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply won't fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other kind, and is something you write from the ground up as a lightning talk. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From autarch at urth.org Thu Apr 29 11:06:33 2010 From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:06:33 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, David Fetter wrote: > I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to do > their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply won't fit > in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate fool. > A lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other kind, > and is something you write from the ground up as a lightning talk. I think you're reading too much into this. If you wanted to talk about Project X for 40 minutes, there's no reason you can't talk about Project X for 5 minutes instead. -dave /*============================================================ http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) ============================================================*/ From swartz at pobox.com Thu Apr 29 11:09:41 2010 From: swartz at pobox.com (Jonathan Swartz) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:09:41 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: <060D31D6-C8DF-4276-B8A8-CD3FCA5F8959@pobox.com> > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, David Fetter wrote: > >> I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone >> to do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply >> won't fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a >> desperate fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast >> from any other kind, and is something you write from the ground up >> as a lightning talk. > > I think you're reading too much into this. If you wanted to talk > about Project X for 40 minutes, there's no reason you can't talk > about Project X for 5 minutes instead. > Agreed. I for one want to see people make fools of themselves trying to ram their rejected talks into 5 minutes. Isn't that their right? :) From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:09:50 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:09:50 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:06, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, David Fetter wrote: > >> I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to do >> their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. ?It simply won't fit in >> the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate fool. A >> lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other kind, and is >> something you write from the ground up as a lightning talk. > > I think you're reading too much into this. If you wanted to talk about > Project X for 40 minutes, there's no reason you can't talk about Project X > for 5 minutes instead. More to the point, there are no un-accepted talks right now. Check the schedule - we're running 5 rooms. Rob From jon at hogue.org Thu Apr 29 11:12:43 2010 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:12:43 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <060D31D6-C8DF-4276-B8A8-CD3FCA5F8959@pobox.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <060D31D6-C8DF-4276-B8A8-CD3FCA5F8959@pobox.com> Message-ID: ha, I vote for more foolishness. On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:09 PM, Jonathan Swartz wrote: >> On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, David Fetter wrote: >> >>> I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to do >>> their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. ?It simply won't fit in >>> the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate fool. A >>> lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other kind, and is >>> something you write from the ground up as a lightning talk. >> >> I think you're reading too much into this. If you wanted to talk about >> Project X for 40 minutes, there's no reason you can't talk about Project X >> for 5 minutes instead. >> > > Agreed. I for one want to see people make fools of themselves trying to ram > their rejected talks into 5 minutes. Isn't that their right? :) > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From scott at slowass.net Thu Apr 29 11:14:55 2010 From: scott at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:14:55 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> > Rob, > > I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to > do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply won't > fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate > fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other > kind, and is something you write from the ground up as a lightning > talk. > > Cheers, > David. I'd like to politely descent here. Having a full length talk rejected is not a sure indication that that speaker should not be speaking, period. The organizers do their best based on knowledge of speakers and audiance interests to pick the best talks. This is an approximate process. Rejection does not indicate universal comdenation by the community. And even if the speaker would be making a fool of himself by overtly promoting something, demonstrating profound ignorance of important matters, being even new to Perl, new to the format, having poorly adapted a talk -- putting in for a Lightning Talks is *still* appropriate. He might not be accepted for that either, but as Lightning Talks were explained to me, it is a not inappropriate venue for just standing up and saying "hi, I'm new to the Perl community, these are my first impressions" or so on. Again, I don't expect to change your opinion of how these matters should or do work, and likewise, please excuse me for interjecting my conflicting opinion here and taking the chance to continue to encourage everyone with every stupid idea to continue to put in for Lighting Talks, no matter what. Regards, -scott From scott at slowass.net Thu Apr 29 11:16:38 2010 From: scott at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:16:38 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: <20100429181638.GZ21145@slowass.net> Ooops, I missed a "no" in my hasty reading and hasty reply. Pardon me. In that case, it's awesome we agree! Let's be BFFs!! *Five* rooms? I was wondering about this. Is there any way we can repeat the conference the next weekend and run the whole thing twice? -scott On 0, Dave Rolsky wrote: > On Thu, 29 Apr 2010, David Fetter wrote: > > >I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to do > >their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply won't fit > >in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate fool. > >A lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other kind, > >and is something you write from the ground up as a lightning talk. > > I think you're reading too much into this. If you wanted to talk about > Project X for 40 minutes, there's no reason you can't talk about Project X > for 5 minutes instead. > > > -dave > > /*============================================================ > http://VegGuide.org http://blog.urth.org > Your guide to all that's veg House Absolute(ly Pointless) > ============================================================*/ > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:17:46 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:17:46 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:14, Scott Walters wrote: >> Rob, >> >> I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to >> do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. ?It simply won't >> fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate >> fool. ?A lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other >> kind, and is something you write from the ground up as a lightning >> talk. >> >> Cheers, >> David. > > I'd like to politely descent here. ?Having a full length talk rejected > is not a sure indication that that speaker should not be speaking, > period. ?The organizers do their best based on knowledge of speakers > and audiance interests to pick the best talks. ?This is an approximate > process. ?Rejection does not indicate universal comdenation by the > community. > > And even if the speaker would be making a fool of himself by overtly > promoting something, demonstrating profound ignorance of important > matters, being even new to Perl, new to the format, having poorly > adapted a talk -- putting in for a Lightning Talks is *still* > appropriate. ?He might not be accepted for that either, but as > Lightning Talks were explained to me, it is a not inappropriate > venue for just standing up and saying "hi, I'm new to the Perl > community, these are my first impressions" or so on. > > Again, I don't expect to change your opinion of how these matters > should or do work, and likewise, please excuse me for interjecting > my conflicting opinion here and taking the chance to continue to > encourage everyone with every stupid idea to continue to put in > for Lighting Talks, no matter what. I think a key point here is that I DID NOT REJECT ANY TALKS. *pants* :) Rob From mpeters at plusthree.com Thu Apr 29 11:18:26 2010 From: mpeters at plusthree.com (Michael Peters) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:18:26 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> Message-ID: <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> On 04/29/2010 02:14 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > I'd like to politely descent here. Having a full length talk rejected > is not a sure indication that that speaker should not be speaking, > period. In this case it probably is. They didn't reject anyone. That, to me is a cause for concern. I come to conferences expecting to see quality presentations. Yes this is a community event and we are all amateurs, but by accepting all presentations it means there was no vetting process, no selection criteria and no general theme. 5 tracks might just be too many for a small 300 person conference. -- Michael Peters Plus Three, LP From waltman at pobox.com Thu Apr 29 11:23:04 2010 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:23:04 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> Message-ID: <20100429182304.GA387@mawode.com> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:17:46PM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote: > I think a key point here is that I DID NOT REJECT ANY TALKS. *pants* :) Yes, think Rob's point here is this: 1. Everyone who submitted a long talk was accepted. 2. If you want to talk about something else, you need to either a) do it as a lightning talk b) hope someone cancels and frees up a spot in the schedule Walt From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:23:29 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:23:29 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:18, Michael Peters wrote: > On 04/29/2010 02:14 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > >> I'd like to politely descent here. ?Having a full length talk rejected >> is not a sure indication that that speaker should not be speaking, >> period. > > In this case it probably is. They didn't reject anyone. That, to me is a > cause for concern. I come to conferences expecting to see quality > presentations. Yes this is a community event and we are all amateurs, but by > accepting all presentations it means there was no vetting process, no > selection criteria and no general theme. 5 tracks might just be too many for > a small 300 person conference. The reason for 5 rooms is twofold: 1) We can afford it 2) We are trying out daypasses. The daypasses means that we are expecting between 300-500 more people per day. They wouldn't have fit in 3 rooms. Rob From cnehren at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:27:43 2010 From: cnehren at gmail.com (Chris Nehren) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:27:43 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> Message-ID: <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> [sent to the list, this time...] On Apr 29, 2010, at 7:18 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > In this case it probably is. They didn't reject anyone. That, to me is a cause for concern. I come to conferences expecting to see quality presentations. Yes this is a community event and we are all amateurs, but by accepting all presentations it means there was no vetting process, no selection criteria and no general theme. 5 tracks might just be too many for a small 300 person conference. How many tracks does OSCON have? -- Thanks and best regards, Chris Nehren From jesserthompson at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:34:54 2010 From: jesserthompson at gmail.com (Jesse Thompson) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 13:34:54 -0500 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429181638.GZ21145@slowass.net> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181638.GZ21145@slowass.net> Message-ID: <4BD9D14E.2080907@gmail.com> On 04/29/2010 01:16 PM, Scott Walters wrote: > *Five* rooms? I was wondering about this. Is there any way we can > repeat the conference the next weekend and run the whole thing twice? Or recorded? I noticed that YAPC::NA 2008 was [partially] recorded, and I have been disappointed that the videos were never published (as far as I could tell.) From david at fetter.org Thu Apr 29 11:36:15 2010 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:36:15 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> Message-ID: <20100429183615.GE2829@fetter.org> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 02:14:55PM -0400, Scott Walters wrote: > > Rob, > > > > I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone to > > do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply won't > > fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a desperate > > fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast from any other > > kind, and is something you write from the ground up as a lightning > > talk. > > I'd like to politely descent here. ITYM "dissent." :) > Having a full length talk rejected is not a sure indication that > that speaker should not be speaking, period. I never said, or even hinted, that it was, and you're stretching "politeness" quite a bit by inferring that I did. I have seen people tank projects and dig themselves into holes of disrespect by trying to cram a 45-minute talk into 5. Over and over and over again. All over the world. Saying words to the effect of, "if you didn't get your talk in the main track, cram it into a lightning talk," is pretty much equivalent to leading someone into this situation and then failing to take responsibility for the consequences when they do what I just described. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From mpeters at plusthree.com Thu Apr 29 11:38:23 2010 From: mpeters at plusthree.com (Michael Peters) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:38:23 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> On 04/29/2010 02:27 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > How many tracks does OSCON have? About 11 (depends on the day/time, etc) tracks and they are expecting about 2,500 people. So they have a much bigger person-per-track size than we do. But that's not my main concern. My main concern is quality. If there's no filter there's no quality. I know that organizing a conference is a ton of work (and it's work I haven't done yet which makes me even less qualified to comment) but I still feel like it's important to know that talks were selected because they were quality proposals and good, interesting topics. Not because we had a whole bunch of rooms available. -- Michael Peters Plus Three, LP From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:40:37 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:40:37 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429183615.GE2829@fetter.org> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <20100429183615.GE2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:36, David Fetter wrote: > Saying words to the effect of, "if you didn't get your talk in the > main track, cram it into a lightning talk," is pretty much equivalent > to leading someone into this situation and then failing to take > responsibility for the consequences when they do what I just > described. Talk submissions were technically closed April 1st. That people were able to submit talks up to noon today was a function of openings in the schedule. I think accepting talks up to 4 weeks after the nominal deadline, then saying "Sorry, you'll have to do a lightning now" is completely skew to what you're inferring. Rob From paulm at paulm.com Thu Apr 29 11:45:34 2010 From: paulm at paulm.com (Paul Makepeace) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:45:34 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:38, Michael Peters wrote: > On 04/29/2010 02:27 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > >> How many tracks does OSCON have? > > About 11 (depends on the day/time, etc) tracks and they are expecting about > 2,500 people. So they have a much bigger person-per-track size than we do. > > But that's not my main concern. My main concern is quality. If there's no > filter there's no quality. I know that organizing a conference is a ton of > work (and it's work I haven't done yet which makes me even less qualified to > comment) but I still feel like it's important to know that talks were > selected because they were quality proposals and good, interesting topics. > Not because we had a whole bunch of rooms available. Having seen some proposals, sometimes the organizers have really only a vague idea of what's really going to get presented -- the talks aren't even written yet so arguably the speaker isn't even sure :-) A large part (IMO) of a talk's quality is speaker presentation too, and there's no way of easily inferring that from the written proposal either. There are some speakers I'd listen to whatever subject, and vice versa... A couple of things you can do: look at talks you're interested in and try to find past talks by the author online; network with people and try to get a sense of "who's good" and base your decision on that. Paul > > -- > Michael Peters > Plus Three, LP > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From jon at hogue.org Thu Apr 29 11:46:58 2010 From: jon at hogue.org (Jonathan Hogue) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:46:58 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> Message-ID: Well, on the other hand, if you have a single person filtering the talks, then you're probably throwing out some of the good with the bad. Record companies believe they are acting on the behalf of quality, but the end result is you get the same junk over and over again that the executives like, and never something completely interesting that wouldn't have gotten play with an executive filter. This way, attendess have a choice. We're likely to get something completely new and interesting out of something that probably would have been cut... On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 2:38 PM, Michael Peters wrote: > On 04/29/2010 02:27 PM, Chris Nehren wrote: > >> How many tracks does OSCON have? > > About 11 (depends on the day/time, etc) tracks and they are expecting about > 2,500 people. So they have a much bigger person-per-track size than we do. > > But that's not my main concern. My main concern is quality. If there's no > filter there's no quality. I know that organizing a conference is a ton of > work (and it's work I haven't done yet which makes me even less qualified to > comment) but I still feel like it's important to know that talks were > selected because they were quality proposals and good, interesting topics. > Not because we had a whole bunch of rooms available. > > -- > Michael Peters > Plus Three, LP > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From david at fetter.org Thu Apr 29 11:50:02 2010 From: david at fetter.org (David Fetter) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 11:50:02 -0700 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429184208.GB15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429184208.GB15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> Message-ID: <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:42:08PM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:02:42AM -0700, David Fetter wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 01:46:34PM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote: > > > The last couple slots have been taken. So, unless you can > > > convince a friend to drop his talk, the only option is a > > > lightning talk on Monday or Tuesday. > > > > Rob, > > > > I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone > > to do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply > > won't fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a > > desperate fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast > > from any other kind, and is something you write from the ground up > > as a lightning talk. > > David, I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER discourage > somebody from submitting a lightning talk for any reason. Matt, You're mistaken on this. I have data, and quite a bit of it, as you know. I've watched people try to "condense" longer talks into lightning talks, and not one time EVER has a good thing come out of it. Not once have I ever seen the person making this mistake do a lightning talk that was better later, nor, for that matter, a longer presentation later. The humiliation is inevitable, and that's an incredibly potent de-motivator, both for the potential speaker and for the audience. Doing that is a speaker-career-ending move. Cheers, David. -- David Fetter http://fetter.org/ Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics Remember to vote! Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate From mpeters at plusthree.com Thu Apr 29 11:50:50 2010 From: mpeters at plusthree.com (Michael Peters) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:50:50 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> Message-ID: <4BD9D50A.4030104@plusthree.com> On 04/29/2010 02:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: > Well, on the other hand, if you have a single person filtering the > talks, then you're probably throwing out some of the good with the > bad. I don't think any conferences have just one person choosing talks. > Record companies believe they are acting on the behalf of quality, but > the end result is you get the same junk over and over again that the > executives like, and never something completely interesting that > wouldn't have gotten play with an executive filter. Yes, a filter that's too strict is also bad. I'm not arguing for some draconian proposal bashing, just some indication that thought was put into selection. -- Michael Peters Plus Three, LP From waltman at pobox.com Thu Apr 29 11:55:42 2010 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:55:42 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429184208.GB15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: <20100429185542.GC387@mawode.com> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:50:02AM -0700, David Fetter wrote: > You're mistaken on this. I have data, and quite a bit of it, as you > know. > > I've watched people try to "condense" longer talks into lightning > talks, and not one time EVER has a good thing come out of it. Not > once have I ever seen the person making this mistake do a lightning > talk that was better later, nor, for that matter, a longer > presentation later. The humiliation is inevitable, and that's an > incredibly potent de-motivator, both for the potential speaker and for > the audience. > > Doing that is a speaker-career-ending move. For what it's worth, I once condensed a 40-minute talk into a lightning talk at PPW. I think it worked pretty well. It was obviously a very different talk, but the process of deciding what's *really* important can be beneficial. So it's certainly possible to do it. Anyhow, as has been pointed out several times now, this whole thread is based on a misinterpretation of what Rob intended in his email. Walt From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Thu Apr 29 11:57:12 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 14:57:12 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <4BD9D50A.4030104@plusthree.com> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429181455.GY21145@slowass.net> <4BD9CD72.40709@plusthree.com> <4058F53A-3667-45FA-9655-A57FC0C1C8A5@gmail.com> <4BD9D21F.5070303@plusthree.com> <4BD9D50A.4030104@plusthree.com> Message-ID: On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 14:50, Michael Peters wrote: > On 04/29/2010 02:46 PM, Jonathan Hogue wrote: >> >> Well, on the other hand, if you have a single person filtering the >> talks, then you're probably throwing out some of the good with the >> bad. > > I don't think any conferences have just one person choosing talks. YAPC::NA traditionally has one person. > Yes, a filter that's too strict is also bad. I'm not arguing for some > draconian proposal bashing, just some indication that thought was put into > selection. We're trying something new this year - lots of rooms and daypasses. As such, we didn't get enough talks to have any to filter. Next year, if this format continues, then they can filter to their heart's content. Rob From mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk Thu Apr 29 11:58:29 2010 From: mst at shadowcatsystems.co.uk (Matt S Trout) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 19:58:29 +0100 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429184208.GB15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: <20100429185829.GC15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:50:02AM -0700, David Fetter wrote: > You're mistaken on this. I have data, and quite a bit of it, as you > know. > > I've watched people try to "condense" longer talks into lightning > talks, and not one time EVER has a good thing come out of it. Not > once have I ever seen the person making this mistake do a lightning > talk that was better later, nor, for that matter, a longer > presentation later. The humiliation is inevitable, and that's an > incredibly potent de-motivator, both for the potential speaker and for > the audience. But what we're aiming for here is for people who would've written a real talk to write a lightning talk instead. If they had the real talk already written, presumably they'd've submitted it. I think basically you've taken an assumption that you read into Rob's original mail that wasn't there and are now defending your argument against the non-existent bad event to the death. It's ok, David. It's all in your head. -- Matt S Trout - Shadowcat Systems - Perl consulting with a commit bit and a clue http://shadowcat.co.uk/blog/matt-s-trout/ http://twitter.com/shadowcat_mst/ Email me now on mst (at) shadowcat.co.uk and let's chat about how our Catalyst commercial support, training and consultancy packages could help your team. From dgs at accelix.net Thu Apr 29 12:04:48 2010 From: dgs at accelix.net (Dave Stoddard) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:04:48 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429184208.GB15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> Message-ID: <012801cae7ce$d6c870e0$845952a0$@net> I have a talk I would like to submit, and I was attempting to complete the proposal submission form when the window closed. I was not ready to do this a month ago as I had too many balls in the air. What time do the normal talks close? Would there be any chance of doing an overtime talk? FWIW, I have a pretty nifty code generator for Perl that I am getting ready to release as open source, and there may be a few folks that would be interested in learning more about it. Best, Dave Stoddard > -----Original Message----- > From: yapc-bounces+dgs=accelix.net at pm.org [mailto:yapc- > bounces+dgs=accelix.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of David Fetter > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:50 PM > To: Matt S Trout > Cc: yapc at pm.org > Subject: Re: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:42:08PM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:02:42AM -0700, David Fetter wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 01:46:34PM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote: > > > > The last couple slots have been taken. So, unless you can > > > > convince a friend to drop his talk, the only option is a > > > > lightning talk on Monday or Tuesday. > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone > > > to do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply > > > won't fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a > > > desperate fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast > > > from any other kind, and is something you write from the ground up > > > as a lightning talk. > > > > David, I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER discourage > > somebody from submitting a lightning talk for any reason. > > Matt, > > You're mistaken on this. I have data, and quite a bit of it, as you > know. > > I've watched people try to "condense" longer talks into lightning > talks, and not one time EVER has a good thing come out of it. Not > once have I ever seen the person making this mistake do a lightning > talk that was better later, nor, for that matter, a longer > presentation later. The humiliation is inevitable, and that's an > incredibly potent de-motivator, both for the potential speaker and for > the audience. > > Doing that is a speaker-career-ending move. > > Cheers, > David. > -- > David Fetter http://fetter.org/ > Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter > Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com > iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics > > Remember to vote! > Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From scott at slowass.net Thu Apr 29 12:13:23 2010 From: scott at slowass.net (Scott Walters) Date: Thu, 29 Apr 2010 15:13:23 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed In-Reply-To: <012801cae7ce$d6c870e0$845952a0$@net> References: <20100429180242.GD2829@fetter.org> <20100429184208.GB15270@agaton.scsys.co.uk> <20100429185002.GF2829@fetter.org> <012801cae7ce$d6c870e0$845952a0$@net> Message-ID: <20100429191323.GA21145@slowass.net> Dave S, Sounds awesome! Write your talk as a Lightning Talk and submit it as a Lightning Talk. Practise by accosting random strangers in elevators and telling them about your module =) I'm just getting ready to clean up and test Test::Float, which I presented at Frozen Perl. It uses a modified Test::Harness that takes floating point return values from tests with PPI and a Bayesian chatterbot hooked to a genetic algorithm to automatically write your code for you given tests =) -scott :1,$s!$! =)! On 0, Dave Stoddard wrote: > I have a talk I would like to submit, and I was attempting > to complete the proposal submission form when the window > closed. I was not ready to do this a month ago as I had too > many balls in the air. > > What time do the normal talks close? Would there be any > chance of doing an overtime talk? FWIW, I have a pretty > nifty code generator for Perl that I am getting ready to > release as open source, and there may be a few folks that > would be interested in learning more about it. > Best, > > Dave Stoddard > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: yapc-bounces+dgs=accelix.net at pm.org [mailto:yapc- > > bounces+dgs=accelix.net at pm.org] On Behalf Of David Fetter > > Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 2:50 PM > > To: Matt S Trout > > Cc: yapc at pm.org > > Subject: Re: [yapc] Talk submissions are closed > > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 07:42:08PM +0100, Matt S Trout wrote: > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 11:02:42AM -0700, David Fetter wrote: > > > > On Thu, Apr 29, 2010 at 01:46:34PM -0400, Rob Kinyon wrote: > > > > > The last couple slots have been taken. So, unless you can > > > > > convince a friend to drop his talk, the only option is a > > > > > lightning talk on Monday or Tuesday. > > > > > > > > Rob, > > > > > > > > I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER encourage anyone > > > > to do their not-accepted long talk as a lightning talk. It simply > > > > won't fit in the time allotted, and makes the speaker look like a > > > > desperate fool. A lightning talk is a completely different beast > > > > from any other kind, and is something you write from the ground up > > > > as a lightning talk. > > > > > > David, I know you meant well by this, but please, NEVER discourage > > > somebody from submitting a lightning talk for any reason. > > > > Matt, > > > > You're mistaken on this. I have data, and quite a bit of it, as you > > know. > > > > I've watched people try to "condense" longer talks into lightning > > talks, and not one time EVER has a good thing come out of it. Not > > once have I ever seen the person making this mistake do a lightning > > talk that was better later, nor, for that matter, a longer > > presentation later. The humiliation is inevitable, and that's an > > incredibly potent de-motivator, both for the potential speaker and for > > the audience. > > > > Doing that is a speaker-career-ending move. > > > > Cheers, > > David. > > -- > > David Fetter http://fetter.org/ > > Phone: +1 415 235 3778 AIM: dfetter666 Yahoo!: dfetter > > Skype: davidfetter XMPP: david.fetter at gmail.com > > iCal: webcal://www.tripit.com/feed/ical/people/david74/tripit.ics > > > > Remember to vote! > > Consider donating to Postgres: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate > > _______________________________________________ > > yapc mailing list > > yapc at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From rob.kinyon at gmail.com Fri Apr 30 12:04:48 2010 From: rob.kinyon at gmail.com (Rob Kinyon) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 15:04:48 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Talk openings Message-ID: Due to a cancellation, there is a slot for a 20min talk available. This brings up a good point in general - if you have a talk you want to give, please submit it. I expect that at least a few people will be unable to give their talks - we have over 100 non-lightning talks scheduled (a record!). I would like to have a pool of unscheduled talks so that we can keep the rooms buzzing and humming. -- Thanks, Rob Kinyon From BAIRH at nationwide.com Fri Apr 30 17:59:44 2010 From: BAIRH at nationwide.com (BAIRH at nationwide.com) Date: Fri, 30 Apr 2010 20:59:44 -0400 Subject: [yapc] Early Bird Extended In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have been told that the payment gateway is down or having problems. And since I did not forewarn people about the early bird deadline I am extending it. May 14th is now the final early bird deadline. If you have not registered I recommend you do so! See you all at YAPC::NA 2010! Heath Bair Chairman YAPC::NA 2010