From pcory at wcpss.net  Sat Jul  1 05:50:28 2006
From: pcory at wcpss.net (Paul Cory)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:50:28 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
References: <44A555DF.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
	<20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
Message-ID: <7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>

Let me add my thanks as well. IIT's food was horrible, but the  
quality of the conference more than made up for it. I had a great  
time, and I learned a lot. All of you who put on YAPC this year did a  
great job!

Paul Cory
Webmaster
Wake County Public School System

>
> Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,
>
> Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
> inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was
> fantastic. As an attendee, things appeared to come off without
> a hitch. Pretty much everybody I talked to had a great time.
>
> You'll be a tough act to follow next year.
>
>
> Best,
>
> Jesse Vincent
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc


From jhd at interguru.com  Sat Jul  1 05:57:01 2006
From: jhd at interguru.com (Joe Davidson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:57:01 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>
References: <44A555DF.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
	<20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
	<7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>
Message-ID: <75c1d03e0607010557t68554038v1237f1d4e9b598c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm adding my thanks too.  It's hard to explain to non-geeks
(Muggles?) how exhilarating this conference was.

Joe Davidson
Bio informatics Programmer
National Human Genome Research Institute
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda MD.

On 7/1/06, Paul Cory <pcory at wcpss.net> wrote:
> Let me add my thanks as well. IIT's food was horrible, but the
> quality of the conference more than made up for it. I had a great
> time, and I learned a lot. All of you who put on YAPC this year did a
> great job!
>
> Paul Cory
> Webmaster
> Wake County Public School System
>
> >
> > Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,
> >
> > Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
> > inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was
> > fantastic. As an attendee, things appeared to come off without
> > a hitch. Pretty much everybody I talked to had a great time.
> >
> > You'll be a tough act to follow next year.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jesse Vincent
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


-- 
Joe Davidson
Silver Spring, MD
www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm
truespel.com/en

From jhd at interguru.com  Sat Jul  1 05:57:01 2006
From: jhd at interguru.com (Joe Davidson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:57:01 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>
References: <44A555DF.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
	<20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
	<7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>
Message-ID: <75c1d03e0607010557t68554038v1237f1d4e9b598c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm adding my thanks too.  It's hard to explain to non-geeks
(Muggles?) how exhilarating this conference was.

Joe Davidson
Bio informatics Programmer
National Human Genome Research Institute
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda MD.

On 7/1/06, Paul Cory <pcory at wcpss.net> wrote:
> Let me add my thanks as well. IIT's food was horrible, but the
> quality of the conference more than made up for it. I had a great
> time, and I learned a lot. All of you who put on YAPC this year did a
> great job!
>
> Paul Cory
> Webmaster
> Wake County Public School System
>
> >
> > Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,
> >
> > Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
> > inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was
> > fantastic. As an attendee, things appeared to come off without
> > a hitch. Pretty much everybody I talked to had a great time.
> >
> > You'll be a tough act to follow next year.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jesse Vincent
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


-- 
Joe Davidson
Silver Spring, MD
www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm
truespel.com/en

From jose.castro at log.pt  Sat Jul  1 06:19:30 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:19:30 +0100
Subject: [yapc] [joke] What went wrong at this YAPC
Message-ID: <380c9e1378aa85539de77427af1d96e6@log.pt>

Well, while everybody's saying "thanks" and "it was great", I'd like to 
point out the things that didn't work so well at this YAPC...

So... Josh, Pete, and all the rest of the crew, here they go:


1 - There were security issues!
	How on Earth did you guys let the Toronto Perl Mongers kidnap Larry?

2 - The entertainment sucked!
	I mean... Uri singing?

3 - You made somebody's life miserable!
	I'm talking about the next organizers, who will have trouble meeting 
the standards you've just set.

4 - The schedule was badly organized!
	I mean... so many great talks at the same time? Are you trying to make 
the attendees' heads explode by making them think on what they're going 
to see?


And last, but not least (from my point of view, anyway):


5 - You're going to make me poor!
	Now that I enjoyed this damn conference so much, I'm probably gonna 
come to YAPC::NA every single year, thus spending money that I could so 
very well spend in very-cheap-Portuguese-beer... if I drank any...


Josh and Pete...

I hate you, guys :-)


jac aka cog aka The Portuguese guy


PS: I hope that everybody realizes this was a joke and that I loved 
this YAPC :-) Best regards to all of you and I hope to see you again in 
a very near future :-)


------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------

From jhd at interguru.com  Sat Jul  1 05:57:01 2006
From: jhd at interguru.com (Joe Davidson)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 07:57:01 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>
References: <44A555DF.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
	<20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
	<7D3CE357-312F-4399-8061-28FB518E04B9@wcpss.net>
Message-ID: <75c1d03e0607010557t68554038v1237f1d4e9b598c@mail.gmail.com>

I'm adding my thanks too.  It's hard to explain to non-geeks
(Muggles?) how exhilarating this conference was.

Joe Davidson
Bio informatics Programmer
National Human Genome Research Institute
National Institutes of Health
Bethesda MD.

On 7/1/06, Paul Cory <pcory at wcpss.net> wrote:
> Let me add my thanks as well. IIT's food was horrible, but the
> quality of the conference more than made up for it. I had a great
> time, and I learned a lot. All of you who put on YAPC this year did a
> great job!
>
> Paul Cory
> Webmaster
> Wake County Public School System
>
> >
> > Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,
> >
> > Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
> > inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was
> > fantastic. As an attendee, things appeared to come off without
> > a hitch. Pretty much everybody I talked to had a great time.
> >
> > You'll be a tough act to follow next year.
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Jesse Vincent
> > _______________________________________________
> > yapc mailing list
> > yapc at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


-- 
Joe Davidson
Silver Spring, MD
www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm
truespel.com/en

From chris at clotho.com  Sat Jul  1 07:18:02 2006
From: chris at clotho.com (Chris Dolan)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 09:18:02 -0500
Subject: [yapc] YAPC video recording: first sample
In-Reply-To: <20060701002951.GR29588@illogics.org>
References: <9373A87B-5256-4D4C-8F3F-159DC543F989@clotho.com>
	<20060701002951.GR29588@illogics.org>
Message-ID: <E83F3CAD-7BCF-4EE2-9C1A-6BBFF88614FB@clotho.com>

On Jun 30, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Scott Walters wrote:

> Hi Chris, everyone,
>
> I'm holding my breath eagerly awaiting the rest of the recordings so
> I can share them with the Perl Mongers who weren't able to make it.
> Please announce far and wide when these are ready.
>
> Thank you =)
>
> Regards,
> -scott

Scott et al.,

It's going to be about a week before the first ones come out.   
Several speakers have asked for a chance to look at them and give  
approval before they go out to the world.  Other speakers have asked  
to have some personal information to be edited out.  And a few other  
presentations were mangled by my beta software and will need some  
manual repair.  Therefore, I recommend an oxygen tank for your breath  
holding exercise.  :-)

When the first ones are ready, I will announce an RSS feed on this  
email list.  If you subscribe to that feed, you will be able view the  
presentations as they are released.

Chris
-- 
Chris Dolan, Software Developer, Clotho Advanced Media Inc.
608-294-7900, fax 294-7025, 1435 E Main St, Madison WI 53703
vCard: http://www.chrisdolan.net/ChrisDolan.vcf

Clotho Advanced Media, Inc. - Creators of MediaLandscape Software  
(http://www.media-landscape.com/) and partners in the revolutionary  
Croquet project (http://www.opencroquet.org/)



From jose.castro at log.pt  Sat Jul  1 07:22:30 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 15:22:30 +0100
Subject: [yapc] YAPC video recording: first sample
In-Reply-To: <E83F3CAD-7BCF-4EE2-9C1A-6BBFF88614FB@clotho.com>
References: <9373A87B-5256-4D4C-8F3F-159DC543F989@clotho.com>
	<20060701002951.GR29588@illogics.org>
	<E83F3CAD-7BCF-4EE2-9C1A-6BBFF88614FB@clotho.com>
Message-ID: <7b3bd0905c3535a6f10b30574aa2fde9@log.pt>


On Jul 1, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Chris Dolan wrote:
>
>
> It's going to be about a week before the first ones come out.
> Several speakers have asked for a chance to look at them and give
> approval before they go out to the world.  Other speakers have asked
> to have some personal information to be edited out.  And a few other
> presentations were mangled by my beta software and will need some
> manual repair.  Therefore, I recommend an oxygen tank for your breath
> holding exercise.  :-)
>
> When the first ones are ready, I will announce an RSS feed on this
> email list.  If you subscribe to that feed, you will be able view the
> presentations as they are released.

Chris, once again, thanks for doing this :-) And I'd like to stress out 
again that the first sample was really neat :-) I can't wait for the 
next ones :-)

Cheers,

jac


> Chris
> -- 
> Chris Dolan, Software Developer, Clotho Advanced Media Inc.
> 608-294-7900, fax 294-7025, 1435 E Main St, Madison WI 53703
> vCard: http://www.chrisdolan.net/ChrisDolan.vcf
>
> Clotho Advanced Media, Inc. - Creators of MediaLandscape Software
> (http://www.media-landscape.com/) and partners in the revolutionary
> Croquet project (http://www.opencroquet.org/)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From jrockway at uchicago.edu  Sat Jul  1 07:46:48 2006
From: jrockway at uchicago.edu (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 09:46:48 -0500
Subject: [yapc] HackAThon today?
Message-ID: <44A68AD8.5040309@uchicago.edu>

Is anyone going to be around at the HackAThon today, and if so, what
building are you guys in?


From jose.castro at log.pt  Sat Jul  1 08:09:25 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:09:25 +0100
Subject: [yapc] HackAThon today?
In-Reply-To: <44A68AD8.5040309@uchicago.edu>
References: <44A68AD8.5040309@uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <c10764e136331b6b1c7e7027102c8de1@log.pt>

MMTC, apparently. The same building as yesterday, but not in the same 
spot, I believe.

Anyone can give some more information on this?

jac


On Jul 1, 2006, at 3:46 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote:

> Is anyone going to be around at the HackAThon today, and if so, what
> building are you guys in?
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 08:17:38 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 10:17:38 -0500
Subject: [yapc] HackAThon today?
In-Reply-To: <c10764e136331b6b1c7e7027102c8de1@log.pt>
References: <44A68AD8.5040309@uchicago.edu>
	<c10764e136331b6b1c7e7027102c8de1@log.pt>
Message-ID: <49d805d70607010817n4c1e68d6yfb5b1f0c922303c5@mail.gmail.com>

> MMTC, apparently. The same building as yesterday, but not in the same
> spot, I believe.
>
> Anyone can give some more information on this?

Sodhexo wasn't happy with all of the food that we were carting in, so
they requested that yesterday be the last day that we do the
hack-a-thon in the cafeteria (or at least the last day that all of the
food is carted in).  I had suggested to some that the common areas on
the 5th floor of SSV be used.  There might be some people hanging out
there.

From uri at stemsystems.com  Sat Jul  1 08:27:20 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 11:27:20 -0400
Subject: [yapc] [joke] What went wrong at this YAPC
In-Reply-To: <380c9e1378aa85539de77427af1d96e6@log.pt> (Jose Castro's
	message of "Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:19:30 +0100")
References: <380c9e1378aa85539de77427af1d96e6@log.pt>
Message-ID: <x7bqs9gxbb.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "JC" == Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> writes:

  JC> 1 - There were security issues!
  JC> 	How on Earth did you guys let the Toronto Perl Mongers kidnap Larry?

he was a very cheap ransom. and i recall some portuguese terrorist was
involved and we are hunting him down

  JC> 2 - The entertainment sucked!
  JC> 	I mean... Uri singing?

you could have bid more to prevent that.

  JC> 3 - You made somebody's life miserable!
  JC> 	I'm talking about the next organizers, who will have trouble meeting 
  JC> the standards you've just set.

there are always ways to improve things. not inviting you will help.

  JC> 4 - The schedule was badly organized!
  JC> 	I mean... so many great talks at the same time? Are you trying to make 
  JC> the attendees' heads explode by making them think on what they're going 
  JC> to see?

damian can make your head explode all by himself. wear more tin foil
hats next time.

  JC> And last, but not least (from my point of view, anyway):

  JC> 5 - You're going to make me poor!
  JC> 	Now that I enjoyed this damn conference so much, I'm probably gonna 
  JC> come to YAPC::NA every single year, thus spending money that I could so 
  JC> very well spend in very-cheap-Portuguese-beer... if I drank any...

get drunk on port (named for your silly country) instead!

  JC> Josh and Pete...

  JC> I hate you, guys :-)

i hate them too!

  JC> PS: I hope that everybody realizes this was a joke and that I loved 
  JC> this YAPC :-) Best regards to all of you and I hope to see you again in 
  JC> a very near future :-)

we take comments like this very seriously and will report them to the
highest authorities. guido van rossum will be paying a visit to you soon
and break your fingers in such a way that you can only type rigid python
code.

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From jose.castro at log.pt  Sat Jul  1 08:27:39 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:27:39 +0100
Subject: [yapc] HackAThon today?
In-Reply-To: <49d805d70607010817n4c1e68d6yfb5b1f0c922303c5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <44A68AD8.5040309@uchicago.edu>
	<c10764e136331b6b1c7e7027102c8de1@log.pt>
	<49d805d70607010817n4c1e68d6yfb5b1f0c922303c5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <73131544a80c21f267990ed93d90d192@log.pt>

Well, there are definitely people hanging around IRC and trying to 
decide where to meet...


On Jul 1, 2006, at 4:17 PM, Joshua McAdams wrote:

>> MMTC, apparently. The same building as yesterday, but not in the same
>> spot, I believe.
>>
>> Anyone can give some more information on this?
>
> Sodhexo wasn't happy with all of the food that we were carting in, so
> they requested that yesterday be the last day that we do the
> hack-a-thon in the cafeteria (or at least the last day that all of the
> food is carted in).  I had suggested to some that the common areas on
> the 5th floor of SSV be used.  There might be some people hanging out
> there.
>
>
------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From jose.castro at log.pt  Sat Jul  1 08:32:04 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:32:04 +0100
Subject: [yapc] [joke] What went wrong at this YAPC
In-Reply-To: <x7bqs9gxbb.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <380c9e1378aa85539de77427af1d96e6@log.pt>
	<x7bqs9gxbb.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <9ed52f3b424f3934cb55e8f185b201de@log.pt>


On Jul 1, 2006, at 4:27 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

>>>>>> "JC" == Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> writes:
>
>   JC> 1 - There were security issues!
>   JC> 	How on Earth did you guys let the Toronto Perl Mongers kidnap 
> Larry?
>
> he was a very cheap ransom. and i recall some portuguese terrorist was
> involved and we are hunting him down

Do you need ninjas? O:-)


>   JC> 2 - The entertainment sucked!
>   JC> 	I mean... Uri singing?
>
> you could have bid more to prevent that.
>
>   JC> 3 - You made somebody's life miserable!
>   JC> 	I'm talking about the next organizers, who will have trouble 
> meeting
>   JC> the standards you've just set.
>
> there are always ways to improve things. not inviting you will help.

Ouch...


>   JC> 4 - The schedule was badly organized!
>   JC> 	I mean... so many great talks at the same time? Are you trying 
> to make
>   JC> the attendees' heads explode by making them think on what 
> they're going
>   JC> to see?
>
> damian can make your head explode all by himself. wear more tin foil
> hats next time.

Point taken.


>   JC> And last, but not least (from my point of view, anyway):
>
>   JC> 5 - You're going to make me poor!
>   JC> 	Now that I enjoyed this damn conference so much, I'm probably 
> gonna
>   JC> come to YAPC::NA every single year, thus spending money that I 
> could so
>   JC> very well spend in very-cheap-Portuguese-beer... if I drank 
> any...
>
> get drunk on port (named for your silly country) instead!

Port is not named after the country, it's named after a Portuguese city 
:-)


>   JC> Josh and Pete...
>
>   JC> I hate you, guys :-)
>
> i hate them too!

Considering your singing, I'd say they now hate you back O:-)


>   JC> PS: I hope that everybody realizes this was a joke and that I 
> loved
>   JC> this YAPC :-) Best regards to all of you and I hope to see you 
> again in
>   JC> a very near future :-)
>
> we take comments like this very seriously and will report them to the
> highest authorities. guido van rossum will be paying a visit to you 
> soon
> and break your fingers in such a way that you can only type rigid 
> python
> code.

Oh crap... er... OK, I'm just gonna leave the country, OK?


cog


------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From chromatic at wgz.org  Sat Jul  1 08:38:48 2006
From: chromatic at wgz.org (chromatic)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 08:38:48 -0700
Subject: [yapc] HackAThon today?
In-Reply-To: <73131544a80c21f267990ed93d90d192@log.pt>
References: <44A68AD8.5040309@uchicago.edu>
	<49d805d70607010817n4c1e68d6yfb5b1f0c922303c5@mail.gmail.com>
	<73131544a80c21f267990ed93d90d192@log.pt>
Message-ID: <200607010838.49153.chromatic@wgz.org>

On Saturday 01 July 2006 08:27, Jose Castro wrote:

> Well, there are definitely people hanging around IRC and trying to
> decide where to meet...

I'm in the fifth floor lounge of the middle SSV building.  I'm the only one 
here, but I have a gravity all my own.

-- c

From schwern at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 12:01:58 2006
From: schwern at gmail.com (Michael G Schwern)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:01:58 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
Message-ID: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>

I'd like to thank Best Practical (Jesse Vincent and clkao) and Stevan
Little for buying the food for the Hackathon.  Best Practical bought
the enormous pile of snacks on Thursday and, I believe, the pizza on
Friday.  Stevan Little's company <insert company name here> paid for
the chinese food on Thursday.

Thanks for the grub.

From andy at petdance.com  Sat Jul  1 12:05:45 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:05:45 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6139A5A0-1C59-4A86-9261-121D5829367F@petdance.com>

>
> Thanks for the grub.

Mmmm, grub.

I echo the thanks.  When Jesse said "We need to go to Costco for  
snacks", I didn't realize quite the scale he was referring to. :-)

xoa

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From nothingmuch at woobling.org  Sat Jul  1 12:12:53 2006
From: nothingmuch at woobling.org (Yuval Kogman)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:12:53 +0300
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060701191253.GA2233@woobling.org>

On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 14:01:58 -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote:

> Friday.  Stevan Little's company <insert company name here> paid for

s/<.*>/Infinity Interactive/;

-- 
  Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch at woobling.org>
http://nothingmuch.woobling.org  0xEBD27418

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From jose.castro at log.pt  Sat Jul  1 12:19:54 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 20:19:54 +0100
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3867c5d8c83678039b1dcc070e1a8c65@log.pt>


On Jul 1, 2006, at 8:01 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

> I'd like to thank Best Practical (Jesse Vincent and clkao) and Stevan
> Little for buying the food for the Hackathon.  Best Practical bought
> the enormous pile of snacks on Thursday and, I believe, the pizza on
> Friday.  Stevan Little's company <insert company name here> paid for
> the chinese food on Thursday.
>
> Thanks for the grub.

I second that. Thanks, guys! :-)

/me resumes eating


> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
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log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
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From stevan at iinteractive.com  Sat Jul  1 12:29:37 2006
From: stevan at iinteractive.com (Stevan Little)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:29:37 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D702C64-3411-46CA-9DA9-ACC83B4A7526@iinteractive.com>

Micheal,

You are quite welcome.

Our company is Infinity Interactive (http://www.iinteractive.com is  
the website), I will pass the thanks onto my boss who authorized the  
use of the company card :)

- Stevan

On Jul 1, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

> I'd like to thank Best Practical (Jesse Vincent and clkao) and Stevan
> Little for buying the food for the Hackathon.  Best Practical bought
> the enormous pile of snacks on Thursday and, I believe, the pizza on
> Friday.  Stevan Little's company <insert company name here> paid for
> the chinese food on Thursday.
>
> Thanks for the grub.
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


From stevan at iinteractive.com  Sat Jul  1 12:12:03 2006
From: stevan at iinteractive.com (Stevan Little)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 14:12:03 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CAE3E35-66EE-4C82-ABD5-1805BF68220D@iinteractive.com>

Micheal,

You are quite welcome.

Our company is Infinity Interactive (http://www.iinteractive.com is  
the website), I will pass the thanks onto my boss who authorized the  
use of the company card :)

- Stevan

On Jul 1, 2006, at 2:01 PM, Michael G Schwern wrote:

> I'd like to thank Best Practical (Jesse Vincent and clkao) and Stevan
> Little for buying the food for the Hackathon.  Best Practical bought
> the enormous pile of snacks on Thursday and, I believe, the pizza on
> Friday.  Stevan Little's company <insert company name here> paid for
> the chinese food on Thursday.
>
> Thanks for the grub.
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


From nothingmuch at woobling.org  Sat Jul  1 14:03:48 2006
From: nothingmuch at woobling.org (Yuval Kogman)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:03:48 +0300
Subject: [yapc] Matching names to antlers
Message-ID: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>

Hi,

Since the participation rate in the Moose mugshot project was pretty
high, and most of the photos contain clear views of the faces, I
thought this would be a nice way to identify members of our
community.

Naturally I don't have everyone who attended the conference, but
this is a faiir amount.

The pictures contain users with real names in the First Last format
(except chromatic and Barbie, and asian names which are as their
owners are known to use them).

I don't remember everyone's name, so be gentle and add them
yourself. To do that you need to become my flickr contact (I don't
really know how to do that though).

Have fun!

	http://flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=moose+yapcna2006&m=tags

-- 
  Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch at woobling.org>
http://nothingmuch.woobling.org  0xEBD27418

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From andy at petdance.com  Sat Jul  1 14:07:10 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 16:07:10 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Matching names to antlers
In-Reply-To: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
References: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
Message-ID: <8EC3A231-332E-4ED7-8568-A8CB2C21FA5F@petdance.com>


On Jul 1, 2006, at 4:03 PM, Yuval Kogman wrote:

> Have fun!
>
> 	http://flickr.com/search/?w=all&q=moose+yapcna2006&m=tags

Even easier: http://flickr.com/photos/45716381 at N00/tags/moose/

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From nothingmuch at woobling.org  Sat Jul  1 14:15:15 2006
From: nothingmuch at woobling.org (Yuval Kogman)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 00:15:15 +0300
Subject: [yapc] Matching names to antlers
In-Reply-To: <8EC3A231-332E-4ED7-8568-A8CB2C21FA5F@petdance.com>
References: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
	<8EC3A231-332E-4ED7-8568-A8CB2C21FA5F@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <20060701211515.GD2233@woobling.org>

On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 16:07:10 -0500, Andy Lester wrote:

> Even easier: http://flickr.com/photos/45716381 at N00/tags/moose/

That won't include Marcus's ones, or cog's lovely Moose statue.

BTW, your national geographic sequence is not yet imported from the
camera.

-- 
  Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch at woobling.org>
http://nothingmuch.woobling.org  0xEBD27418

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From jim at jgcinteractive.com  Sat Jul  1 16:44:17 2006
From: jim at jgcinteractive.com (Jim Connor (JGC Interactive Inc.))
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:44:17 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
References: <44A555DF.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
	<20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
Message-ID: <44A708D1.1000907@jgcinteractive.com>

This was my second YAPC (the first being 2005) and it was great!
Thanks to everyone involved.

The IIT food and the SSV rooms don't even factor in how much I learned.

Randal's Intermediate Perl was great, I'm just sorry I couldn't stay
until the end (long L trip to the airport).

I hope to be able to attend next year.

Cheers,

Jim Connor

Jesse Vincent wrote:
> Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,
> 
> Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
> inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was
> fantastic. As an attendee, things appeared to come off without 
> a hitch. Pretty much everybody I talked to had a great time.
> 
> You'll be a tough act to follow next year.
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Jesse Vincent
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
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From andrewrodland at comcast.net  Sat Jul  1 16:49:30 2006
From: andrewrodland at comcast.net (Andrew Rodland)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 18:49:30 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Things to Do
Message-ID: <200607011849.31417.andrewrodland@comcast.net>

In case anyone still in town didn't know, besides the Taste of Chicago event, 
there will also be fireworks at Navy Pier at 10:15PM tonight (as well as over 
Buckingham Fountain on Monday, and at Navy Pier again Tuesday).

Andrew

From rspier at pobox.com  Sat Jul  1 19:11:02 2006
From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier)
Date: Sat, 01 Jul 2006 19:11:02 -0700
Subject: [yapc] Matching names to antlers
In-Reply-To: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
References: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
Message-ID: <m3y7vc4uyx.wl_rs@pobox.com>

> I don't remember everyone's name, so be gentle and add them
> yourself. To do that you need to become my flickr contact (I don't
> really know how to do that though).

Not everyone wants their full name associated with their image.  You
might to confirm that it's ok with them.

-R (who would prefer "Robert S." as a compromise for those who say:
"Robert" isn't detailed enough.)

From nothingmuch at woobling.org  Sat Jul  1 20:05:04 2006
From: nothingmuch at woobling.org (Yuval Kogman)
Date: Sun, 2 Jul 2006 06:05:04 +0300
Subject: [yapc] Matching names to antlers
In-Reply-To: <m3y7vc4uyx.wl_rs@pobox.com>
References: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org> <m3y7vc4uyx.wl_rs@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <20060702030504.GG2233@woobling.org>

On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 19:11:02 -0700, Robert Spier wrote:

> Not everyone wants their full name associated with their image.  You
> might to confirm that it's ok with them.

Hmmm... We were very explicit on the fact that these are going
online, but yes, you are correct in that we didn't verify that real
names were also OK.

Uh... Should we go for an opt-out approach? Or undo all the note
things?

-- 
  Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch at woobling.org>
http://nothingmuch.woobling.org  0xEBD27418

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From steve at fisharerojo.org  Sat Jul  1 20:52:12 2006
From: steve at fisharerojo.org (Steve Peters)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 22:52:12 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20060702035212.GA9817@fisharerojo.org>

On Sat, Jul 01, 2006 at 02:01:58PM -0500, Michael G Schwern wrote:
> I'd like to thank Best Practical (Jesse Vincent and clkao) and Stevan
> Little for buying the food for the Hackathon.  Best Practical bought
> the enormous pile of snacks on Thursday and, I believe, the pizza on
> Friday.  Stevan Little's company <insert company name here> paid for
> the chinese food on Thursday.
> 
> Thanks for the grub.

As someone who was not at the hackathon, I want to thank those companies 
too for helping contribute to the Perl community.  A little bit of food 
goes a long way to help keep people going.  Thanks so much!

Steve Peters
steve at fisharerojo.org

P.S.  You all actually at the hackathon are doing a great job too.  
Thanks!

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sat Jul  1 21:21:31 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sat, 1 Jul 2006 23:21:31 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for the Hackathon fuel
In-Reply-To: <20060702035212.GA9817@fisharerojo.org>
References: <313c1d130607011201o7454049co91a03c811f338e9c@mail.gmail.com>
	<20060702035212.GA9817@fisharerojo.org>
Message-ID: <49d805d70607012121n6cf717e3wf27deb5c14896fc1@mail.gmail.com>

> As someone who was not at the hackathon, I want to thank those companies
> too for helping contribute to the Perl community.  A little bit of food
> goes a long way to help keep people going.  Thanks so much!

We should also give a big thanks to anyone who turned in a meal card
with credit on it.  IIT was just going to keep all of the $$ so we
went on a shopping spree with all of the extra cards and bought drinks
and snacks for the hackers.  Overall $160 in food was purchased with
money left on meal cards.

From uri at stemsystems.com  Sun Jul  2 15:23:43 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2006 18:23:43 -0400
Subject: [yapc] DOC: glossary
Message-ID: <x7psgnbq8g.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>


hi to all docathon hackers (and others too),

one idea we came up with during the docathon is that perl6 needs a
glossary. would the terms autobox or mixin make any sense to a newcomer
who didn't know any OO theory? so this is a proposal to start a glossary
as a new S\d+ or other document. here are some ideas i have been
bouncing in my skull that i would like to see in it:

the list of terms should include all of perl6's special variable names,
namespaces (including the term namespace! :), keywords, OO theory terms
(like autobox). i think it should also include many/most of parrot's
terms as there is some overlap. stuff like haskell, pugs, PGE, and
others should also be included. i don't think perl6 ops should be
included.

each term should have a pronunciation if it isn't obvious.

of course there should be a succinct definition of no more than a couple
of sentences. 

a reference to the S\d+ docs that discuss the term in depth

links/references to longer definitions on the web for non-perl specific
terms like autobox.

a 'see also' section referring to other terms.

i think a pumpking should be annointed to own the master doc. this would
be a great job for anyone who wants to help as you don't even need to
understand all the terms or be a core perl6 hacker. you just need to
know how to alphabetize, format and handle patches, google a bit for
external links, track xrefs and see also's and such. this is basically
an ongoing editor job. a first task would be to create this doc and to
create a pod template for entries. then others can submit entries in
that format or the pumpking can edit them into that format.

we can start with just a list of terms and they can be filled out
incrementally. i do expect this to be fairly large with several hundred
terms. 

i will post a starter list of terms soon. it will just be words i have
been seeing in S02 which is the spec i have been editing. all the other
docathon hackers (and anyone else) can submit lists as well. when we
have a pumpking, then the glossary doc itself can be started. if you
want to submit entries do that too. 

thanx,

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From jose.castro at log.pt  Mon Jul  3 03:24:53 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:24:53 +0100
Subject: [yapc] DOC: glossary
In-Reply-To: <x7psgnbq8g.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x7psgnbq8g.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <315094714bc7a28565ddb33c86769ec5@log.pt>


On Jul 2, 2006, at 11:23 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

>
> hi to all docathon hackers (and others too),
>
> one idea we came up with during the docathon is that perl6 needs a
> glossary. would the terms autobox or mixin make any sense to a newcomer
> who didn't know any OO theory? so this is a proposal to start a 
> glossary
> as a new S\d+ or other document. here are some ideas i have been
> bouncing in my skull that i would like to see in it:
>
> the list of terms should include all of perl6's special variable names,
> namespaces (including the term namespace! :), keywords, OO theory terms
> (like autobox). i think it should also include many/most of parrot's
> terms as there is some overlap. stuff like haskell, pugs, PGE, and
> others should also be included. i don't think perl6 ops should be
> included.
>
> each term should have a pronunciation if it isn't obvious.

No. Even the ones that are obvious should have a pronunciation. Please 
keep in mind that non-English-native speakers have a hard time with 
pronouncing these things correctly, myself included. Things like $_, 
@_, %something are not as obvious to us as they are to you :-)

So please... add pronunciation :-)

> of course there should be a succinct definition of no more than a 
> couple
> of sentences.
>
> a reference to the S\d+ docs that discuss the term in depth
>
> links/references to longer definitions on the web for non-perl specific
> terms like autobox.
>
> a 'see also' section referring to other terms.
>
> i think a pumpking should be annointed to own the master doc. this 
> would
> be a great job for anyone who wants to help as you don't even need to
> understand all the terms or be a core perl6 hacker. you just need to
> know how to alphabetize, format and handle patches, google a bit for
> external links, track xrefs and see also's and such. this is basically
> an ongoing editor job. a first task would be to create this doc and to
> create a pod template for entries. then others can submit entries in
> that format or the pumpking can edit them into that format.
>
> we can start with just a list of terms and they can be filled out
> incrementally. i do expect this to be fairly large with several hundred
> terms.
>
> i will post a starter list of terms soon. it will just be words i have
> been seeing in S02 which is the spec i have been editing. all the other
> docathon hackers (and anyone else) can submit lists as well. when we
> have a pumpking, then the glossary doc itself can be started. if you
> want to submit entries do that too.
>
> thanx,
>
> uri
>
> -- 
> Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- 
> http://www.stemsystems.com
> --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and 
> Coding-
> Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  
> http://jobs.perl.org
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
------------------------------------------
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log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From jose.castro at log.pt  Mon Jul  3 03:50:44 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:50:44 +0100
Subject: [yapc] Keep in touch!
Message-ID: <a090e7311a7abba6d3358d270f60284e@log.pt>

So I spoke to a lot of people last week, but I didn't get to change 
contacts with many of you.

Hence, my card, attached :-)

If we spoke (or if we should have), send me yours :-)

Cheers,

jac


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From Joel.York at chicagogsb.edu  Mon Jul  3 07:37:02 2006
From: Joel.York at chicagogsb.edu (York, Joel)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:37:02 -0500
Subject: [yapc] DOC: glossary
Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB35@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>

Hello.

If no one has a problem with it, I'd like to volunteer to be pumpking
for this doc. I saw juerd on perl6-lang mentioned
http://pugs.kwiki.org/?Perl6Nomenclature as a possible starting point,
but Uri's description calls for something a bit more descriptive.

Joel York [Shadowhawk]

-----Original Message-----
From: yapc-bounces+joel.york=chicagogsb.edu at pm.org
[mailto:yapc-bounces+joel.york=chicagogsb.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Uri
Guttman
Sent: Sunday, July 02, 2006 5:24 PM
To: perl6-language at perl.org
Cc: yapc at mail.pm.org
Subject: [yapc] DOC: glossary


hi to all docathon hackers (and others too),

one idea we came up with during the docathon is that perl6 needs a
glossary. would the terms autobox or mixin make any sense to a newcomer
who didn't know any OO theory? so this is a proposal to start a glossary
as a new S\d+ or other document. here are some ideas i have been
bouncing in my skull that i would like to see in it:

the list of terms should include all of perl6's special variable names,
namespaces (including the term namespace! :), keywords, OO theory terms
(like autobox). i think it should also include many/most of parrot's
terms as there is some overlap. stuff like haskell, pugs, PGE, and
others should also be included. i don't think perl6 ops should be
included.

each term should have a pronunciation if it isn't obvious.

of course there should be a succinct definition of no more than a couple
of sentences. 

a reference to the S\d+ docs that discuss the term in depth

links/references to longer definitions on the web for non-perl specific
terms like autobox.

a 'see also' section referring to other terms.

i think a pumpking should be annointed to own the master doc. this would
be a great job for anyone who wants to help as you don't even need to
understand all the terms or be a core perl6 hacker. you just need to
know how to alphabetize, format and handle patches, google a bit for
external links, track xrefs and see also's and such. this is basically
an ongoing editor job. a first task would be to create this doc and to
create a pod template for entries. then others can submit entries in
that format or the pumpking can edit them into that format.

we can start with just a list of terms and they can be filled out
incrementally. i do expect this to be fairly large with several hundred
terms. 

i will post a starter list of terms soon. it will just be words i have
been seeing in S02 which is the spec i have been editing. all the other
docathon hackers (and anyone else) can submit lists as well. when we
have a pumpking, then the glossary doc itself can be started. if you
want to submit entries do that too. 

thanx,

uri

--
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  --------
http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems
Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs
----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org
_______________________________________________
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From Todd.Chapman at gedas.com  Mon Jul  3 07:39:28 2006
From: Todd.Chapman at gedas.com (Chapman, Todd)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:39:28 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <20060701060256.GT22028@bestpractical.com>
Message-ID: <0510F91DF8365A4EB4F60D9DD1DDE44B01699511@VWOAAHSXH002.vwoa.na.vwg>

I love concrete! 

-----Original Message-----
From: yapc-bounces+todd.chapman=gedas.com at pm.org
[mailto:yapc-bounces+todd.chapman=gedas.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jesse
Vincent
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 2:03 AM
To: yapc at pm.org
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!


Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,

Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was fantastic.
As an attendee, things appeared to come off without a hitch. Pretty much
everybody I talked to had a great time.

You'll be a tough act to follow next year.


Best,

Jesse Vincent
_______________________________________________
yapc mailing list
yapc at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From bill_morris at ncsu.edu  Mon Jul  3 07:41:48 2006
From: bill_morris at ncsu.edu (Bill Morris)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 10:41:48 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks Chicago for YAPC 2006
Message-ID: <44A8F46B.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>

Folks,

  I would like to thank the Chicago 
group for a very good YAPC. I was
there all week since I also stayed for 
one of the Master Classes.

  It was very enjoyable; except for Uri
singing, Larry getting kidnaped, mini
soap in the housing bags, small towels
for VERY large people, ...

  Truly, it was nice to see some folks again
and meet several new friends.

Bill Morris (bikerpoet)
North Carolina State University
Raleigh, NC

P.S. Thanks for the 3XL t-shirts and remembering
        not all Geeks are XL. 8=)

From Joel.York at chicagogsb.edu  Mon Jul  3 07:48:20 2006
From: Joel.York at chicagogsb.edu (York, Joel)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 09:48:20 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
Message-ID: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>

Aside from the wireless problem, I have to agree. The sessions were
great and I learned a lot. Thanks for all your hard work!

Joel York [Shadowhawk]

-----Original Message-----
From: yapc-bounces+joel.york=chicagogsb.edu at pm.org
[mailto:yapc-bounces+joel.york=chicagogsb.edu at pm.org] On Behalf Of Jesse
Vincent
Sent: Saturday, July 01, 2006 1:03 AM
To: yapc at pm.org
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!


Josh, Pete, and the rest of the crew,

Thank you so much for a fantastic YAPC.  The dorms may have been
inspired by Stalinist Russia, but the conference content was fantastic.
As an attendee, things appeared to come off without a hitch. Pretty much
everybody I talked to had a great time.

You'll be a tough act to follow next year.


Best,

Jesse Vincent
_______________________________________________
yapc mailing list
yapc at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From joey at joeykelly.net  Mon Jul  3 09:18:07 2006
From: joey at joeykelly.net (Joey Kelly)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:18:07 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
Message-ID: <1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/3/06, York, Joel <Joel.York at chicagogsb.edu> wrote:
> Aside from the wireless problem, I have to agree. The sessions were
> great and I learned a lot. Thanks for all your hard work!

Yeah, and aside from everything else that went wrong (just kidding!),
I had a great time. Thanks, guys.


-- 
Joey Kelly
< Minister of the Gospel | Linux Consultant >
http://joeykelly.net

(sent via gmail.com, no GPG signature)

From jose.castro at log.pt  Mon Jul  3 09:21:38 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:21:38 +0100
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt>


On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:18 PM, Joey Kelly wrote:

> On 7/3/06, York, Joel <Joel.York at chicagogsb.edu> wrote:
>> Aside from the wireless problem, I have to agree. The sessions were
>> great and I learned a lot. Thanks for all your hard work!
>
> Yeah, and aside from everything else that went wrong (just kidding!),
> I had a great time. Thanks, guys.

No, seriously, don't let Uri sing again O:-)

...

...

If that can be called singing, of course... O:-D


jac


>
> -- 
> Joey Kelly
> < Minister of the Gospel | Linux Consultant >
> http://joeykelly.net
>
> (sent via gmail.com, no GPG signature)
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>
------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon Jul  3 09:28:11 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:28:11 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt> (Jose Castro's
	message of "Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:21:38 +0100")
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>
	<da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt>
Message-ID: <x7u05yac10.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "JC" == Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> writes:

  JC> No, seriously, don't let Uri sing again O:-)

i expect to offer my musical services up for bid again next year. i also
expect to raise a lot more money then!

  JC> If that can be called singing, of course... O:-D

my bar mitzvah teacher used to call me <sarcasm>enrico</sarcasm>!

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From jose.castro at log.pt  Mon Jul  3 09:31:02 2006
From: jose.castro at log.pt (Jose Castro)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:31:02 +0100
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <x7u05yac10.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>
	<da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt>
	<x7u05yac10.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <28fb34a11362921ed509b9b660e8d21f@log.pt>


On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

>>>>>> "JC" == Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> writes:
>
>   JC> No, seriously, don't let Uri sing again O:-)
>
> i expect to offer my musical services up for bid again next year. i 
> also
> expect to raise a lot more money then!

Of course you will! Next year everybody'll put up money for you *not* 
to sing! :-)


>   JC> If that can be called singing, of course... O:-D
>
> my bar mitzvah teacher used to call me <sarcasm>enrico</sarcasm>!
>
> uri
>
> -- 
> Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- 
> http://www.stemsystems.com
> --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and 
> Coding-
> Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  
> http://jobs.perl.org
>
>
------------------------------------------
Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
log <www.log.pt>
Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
------------------------------------------


From jhd at interguru.com  Mon Jul  3 09:35:07 2006
From: jhd at interguru.com (Joe Davidson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:35:07 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <28fb34a11362921ed509b9b660e8d21f@log.pt>
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>
	<1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>
	<da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt>
	<x7u05yac10.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<28fb34a11362921ed509b9b660e8d21f@log.pt>
Message-ID: <75c1d03e0607030935h497c3ef6y1a695fcf3b9a51c7@mail.gmail.com>

Maybe we can make it a tiered item. So much for Uri not to sing one
song.  Twice as much for him not to sing two songs, etc.

On 7/3/06, Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> wrote:
>
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "JC" == Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> writes:
> >
> >   JC> No, seriously, don't let Uri sing again O:-)
> >
> > i expect to offer my musical services up for bid again next year. i
> > also
> > expect to raise a lot more money then!
>
> Of course you will! Next year everybody'll put up money for you *not*
> to sing! :-)
>
>
> >   JC> If that can be called singing, of course... O:-D
> >
> > my bar mitzvah teacher used to call me <sarcasm>enrico</sarcasm>!
> >
> > uri
> >
> > --
> > Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  --------
> > http://www.stemsystems.com
> > --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and
> > Coding-
> > Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------
> > http://jobs.perl.org
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------
> Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
> log <www.log.pt>
> Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
> Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
> Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
> ------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


-- 
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Silver Spring, MD
www.interguru.com/mailconv.htm
truespel.com/en

From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Mon Jul  3 09:37:35 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 11:37:35 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt>
Message-ID: <OFE001B8C9.22AF9522-ON862571A0.005A6C09-862571A0.005B51DA@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

For those who want to be haunted forever:

http://youtube.com/results?search=uri+yapc&search_type=search_videos&search=Search

a

Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov 
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

"Accurate measurement is the begining of all wisdom."
- Imhotep c.a. 2650 B.C.

From patrick.anderson at bankofamerica.com  Mon Jul  3 09:46:08 2006
From: patrick.anderson at bankofamerica.com (Anderson, Patrick)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 12:46:08 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <75c1d03e0607030935h497c3ef6y1a695fcf3b9a51c7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1F2A39F226E7774389C8C2DE13AD883F0181907F@ex2k.bankofamerica.com>

Well, if we're going with a tiered system, we should do it right:

< $100 - Uri will sing something by the teen idol flavour du jour (ie, Christina Aguilera)

$100 - $199 - Uri will sing "Like a Camel" to the tune of Madonna's "Like a virgin"

$200 - $250 - Uri will sing "The Sun is a mass of incandescent gas" as covered by They Might Be Giants

$251 - $500 - Uri will sing Tom Lehrer's "Irish Ballad"

$501 - $999 - Uri will taunt us for the rest of the evening that we didn't raise as much money as "Lunch with Randall"

>= $1000 - Uri doesn't sing until YAPC::2008's auction.

-----Original Message-----
From: yapc-bounces+patrick.anderson=bankofamerica.com at pm.org [mailto:yapc-bounces+patrick.anderson=bankofamerica.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of Joe Davidson
Sent: Monday, July 03, 2006 12:35 PM
To: Jose Castro
Cc: yapc
Subject: Re: [yapc] Thanks!

Maybe we can make it a tiered item. So much for Uri not to sing one song.  Twice as much for him not to sing two songs, etc.

On 7/3/06, Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> wrote:
>
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 5:28 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
>
> >>>>>> "JC" == Jose Castro <jose.castro at log.pt> writes:
> >
> >   JC> No, seriously, don't let Uri sing again O:-)
> >
> > i expect to offer my musical services up for bid again next year. i 
> > also expect to raise a lot more money then!
>
> Of course you will! Next year everybody'll put up money for you *not* 
> to sing! :-)
>
>
> >   JC> If that can be called singing, of course... O:-D
> >
> > my bar mitzvah teacher used to call me <sarcasm>enrico</sarcasm>!
> >
> > uri
> >
> > --
> > Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- 
> > http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, 
> > Systems Architecture, Design and
> > Coding-
> > Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ---------------------------- 
> > http://jobs.perl.org
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------
> Jos? Castro <jose.castro at log.pt>
> log <www.log.pt>
> Tel: +351 21 330 42 20
> Fax: +351 21 330 42 19
> Av. Duque de ?vila n?23, 1000-138 Lisboa
> ------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>


--
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From chris at cwinters.com  Mon Jul  3 10:00:41 2006
From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:00:41 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
In-Reply-To: <1F2A39F226E7774389C8C2DE13AD883F0181907F@ex2k.bankofamerica.com>
References: <75c1d03e0607030935h497c3ef6y1a695fcf3b9a51c7@mail.gmail.com>
	<1F2A39F226E7774389C8C2DE13AD883F0181907F@ex2k.bankofamerica.com>
Message-ID: <c61247280607031000n354f8dcn39c55f8cc3cd4cb0@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/3/06, Anderson, Patrick <patrick.anderson at bankofamerica.com> wrote:
> Well, if we're going with a tiered system, we should do it right:
>
> < $100 - Uri will sing something by the teen idol flavour du jour (ie, Christina Aguilera)
>
> $100 - $199 - Uri will sing "Like a Camel" to the tune of Madonna's "Like a virgin"

+$500 if he dances!

(sorry I missed this year)

Chris

From kira.blume.cxtm at statefarm.com  Mon Jul  3 10:02:53 2006
From: kira.blume.cxtm at statefarm.com (Kira Blume)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 10:02:53 -0700
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
Message-ID: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>

This was my first YAPC, and it was great!  Big thanks to everyone that
worked hard to put this together.  Be well! Code well!

Kira Blume
ECM-FileNET Imaging Support (WG2787)
(309) 763-8098  L-3, #346
(309) 646-2918  pager
kira.blume.cxtm at statefarm.com
http://sfnet.opr.statefarm.org/content/sysedms/IDMIS/index.shtml







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From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon Jul  3 11:15:35 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:15:35 -0400
Subject: [yapc] tiny template slides
Message-ID: <x7y7va8shk.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>


for those of you fascinated by my <SARCASM>incredibly well presented
lightning talk</SARCASM> on my tiny template module, the slides with all
the examples and code are at:

	http://www.sysarch.com/tiny_template/slides/

it may be just the thing you need for all those template projects that
don't need massive template frameworks. even after it gets to cpan it
will be lean and mean.

and as i have mentioned, i am looking for a module partner to get this
up to cpan. i had one volunteer so far and he needs to contact me (you
know who you are! :). this would be a good way for someone to learn how
to take raw code and make a proper cpan module from it. this includes
tests, docs, OO wrapping, etc. write to me off list if you want to help.

thanx,

uri

-- 
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--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon Jul  3 11:24:51 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 14:24:51 -0400
Subject: [yapc] cocoa shameless plug
Message-ID: <x7u05y8s24.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>


i was asked by some for the url for my wife's cocoa business. it is at:

	bestfriendscocoa.com

you can order the hot cocoa mix in any of 4 flavors and in various
package sizes. also there are recipes for making low-fat frosted cocoa
drinks to enjoy in the hot weather so don't wait until winter to order.

thanks to those who bid on it and won. i know david golden bought one
lot (to be shipped soon) and yaakov had his bought by others. if you
could identify yourselves yaakov i would appreciate it.

thanx,

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  3 11:34:56 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:34:56 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
Message-ID: <0CDDCABC-F251-4AC8-9E98-A64D867570D5@petdance.com>


On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Kira Blume wrote:

> This was my first YAPC, and it was great!  Big thanks to everyone  
> that worked hard to put this together.  Be well! Code well!

And thank you for being the first to sign my little brown book!

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  3 11:41:46 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:41:46 -0500
Subject: [yapc] It's really over now
In-Reply-To: <0510F91DF8365A4EB4F60D9DD1DDE44B01699511@VWOAAHSXH002.vwoa.na.vwg>
References: <0510F91DF8365A4EB4F60D9DD1DDE44B01699511@VWOAAHSXH002.vwoa.na.vwg>
Message-ID: <122FB4E3-FAE8-40FD-9A63-D7C8CE128187@petdance.com>


I just dropped off Adam Kennedy at the train so he can go to Midway  
and get his flight out to LA.

Back to work I go, I guess!

xoxo,
Andy
--
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From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  3 11:42:59 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 13:42:59 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks Chicago for YAPC 2006
In-Reply-To: <44A8F46B.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
References: <44A8F46B.CA9F.0041.0@gw.fis.ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <45F192B4-75E7-4F82-B4DE-41DA7B15590C@petdance.com>


> soap in the housing bags, small towels
> for VERY large people, ...

I went home on Monday anyway, and remembered to bring a real towel,  
and one for Pete Krawczyk, who was putting me up.


> P.S. Thanks for the 3XL t-shirts and remembering
>         not all Geeks are XL. 8=)

There are benefits to having XL+ organizers. :-)


--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From kira.blume.cxtm at statefarm.com  Mon Jul  3 12:30:49 2006
From: kira.blume.cxtm at statefarm.com (Kira Blume)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 12:30:49 -0700
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <0CDDCABC-F251-4AC8-9E98-A64D867570D5@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>

On Jul 3, 2006, at 12:02 PM, Kira Blume wrote:

> This was my first YAPC, and it was great!  Big thanks to everyone  
> that worked hard to put this together.  Be well! Code well!

And thank you for being the first to sign my little brown book!

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance

No problem, Andy. I'm honored to have been the first to sign.  I'm just
sad that I didn't think of drawing clever things like parts of the human
anatomy in your book.  -Kira


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From tco2 at cornell.edu  Mon Jul  3 12:38:52 2006
From: tco2 at cornell.edu (Todd Olson)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:38:52 -0400
Subject: [yapc] cocoa shameless plug
In-Reply-To: <x7u05y8s24.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x7u05y8s24.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <p06230916c0cf228f9048@[128.253.64.138]>

Thank you Uri for all the work you put in to make so many social events
at YAPC happen!

Regards,
Todd Olson


From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  3 13:25:16 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:25:16 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
Message-ID: <A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>


On Jul 3, 2006, at 2:30 PM, Kira Blume wrote:

> No problem, Andy. I'm honored to have been the first to sign.  I'm  
> just sad that I didn't think of drawing clever things like parts of  
> the human anatomy in your book.  -Kira

Oh, so you saw it after Robert got hold of it?

xoa

--
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From rspier at pobox.com  Mon Jul  3 13:29:18 2006
From: rspier at pobox.com (Robert Spier)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 13:29:18 -0700
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <m3wtau300x.wl_rs@pobox.com>

> Oh, so you saw it after Robert got hold of it?
> 

Huh?  That was Sungo.

-R

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  3 13:30:10 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:30:10 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <m3wtau300x.wl_rs@pobox.com>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>
	<m3wtau300x.wl_rs@pobox.com>
Message-ID: <7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>


>> Oh, so you saw it after Robert got hold of it?
>>
>
> Huh?  That was Sungo.

Except that Sungo WASN'T HERE.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org  Mon Jul  3 14:36:52 2006
From: rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 17:36:52 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>
	<m3wtau300x.wl_rs@pobox.com>
	<7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <20060703213652.GA17607@knight.local>

* Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> [2006-07-03T16:30:10]
> >> Oh, so you saw it after Robert got hold of it?
> >>
> >
> > Huh?  That was Sungo.
> 
> Except that Sungo WASN'T HERE.

We traced the call.  Sungo is coming from INSIDE THE YAPC!

-- 
rjbs
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From jbisbee at gmail.com  Mon Jul  3 18:31:27 2006
From: jbisbee at gmail.com (Jeff Bisbee)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:31:27 -0400
Subject: [yapc] JavaScript::XRay
Message-ID: <e07cf2d10607031831w6908b6b6p1221a4cdb1d98008@mail.gmail.com>

After my lightning talk about JavaScript::XRay, several people said
they could use it right away at work.  I just wanted to let those
folks (and anyone else interested) that I've just fixed a major issue
with inlining external javascript files and added tests to support the
bug fix.

I also created a new mailing list / google group for the module's
development and discussion.

    http://groups.google.com/group/jsxray-dev
    jsxray-dev at googlegroups.com

-- 
Jeff Bisbee / jbisbee at gmail.com / jbisbee.com

From tallison at tacocat.net  Mon Jul  3 19:48:49 2006
From: tallison at tacocat.net (Tom Allison)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:48:49 -0400
Subject: [yapc] JFDI
Message-ID: <44A9D711.2070606@tacocat.net>

Where can I get my hands on one of those JFDI t-shirts?

I saw a few but I can't remember the company name..

From andy at petdance.com  Mon Jul  3 19:51:45 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Mon, 3 Jul 2006 21:51:45 -0500
Subject: [yapc] JFDI
In-Reply-To: <44A9D711.2070606@tacocat.net>
References: <44A9D711.2070606@tacocat.net>
Message-ID: <3B9A1D45-AE09-4169-B990-E780370057F9@petdance.com>


On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Tom Allison wrote:

> Where can I get my hands on one of those JFDI t-shirts?

I think it was Jesse from Best Practical.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From tallison at tacocat.net  Mon Jul  3 19:58:20 2006
From: tallison at tacocat.net (Tom Allison)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 22:58:20 -0400
Subject: [yapc] JFDI
In-Reply-To: <3B9A1D45-AE09-4169-B990-E780370057F9@petdance.com>
References: <44A9D711.2070606@tacocat.net>
	<3B9A1D45-AE09-4169-B990-E780370057F9@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <44A9D94C.2010006@tacocat.net>

Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> On Jul 3, 2006, at 9:48 PM, Tom Allison wrote:
> 
>> Where can I get my hands on one of those JFDI t-shirts?
> 
> I think it was Jesse from Best Practical.
> 
> -- 
> Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance
> 

 From the logo, it was definitely Best Practical.

Hmmm...  I wonder if they want to go into the T-shirt business on the 
side.  Or if there's somewhere they can point me to get one of those 
cool shirts.

From uri at stemsystems.com  Mon Jul  3 20:22:46 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:22:46 -0400
Subject: [yapc] cocoa shameless plug
In-Reply-To: <p06230916c0cf228f9048@[128.253.64.138]> (Todd Olson's message
	of "Mon, 3 Jul 2006 15:38:52 -0400")
References: <x7u05y8s24.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<p06230916c0cf228f9048@[128.253.64.138]>
Message-ID: <x77j2u835l.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "TO" == Todd Olson <tco2 at cornell.edu> writes:

  TO> Thank you Uri for all the work you put in to make so many social
  TO> events at YAPC happen!

  TO> Todd Olson

you're welcome. i enjoy inflicting so much pain. for my next number i
will sing ....

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From ccf3 at mindspring.com  Mon Jul  3 21:32:17 2006
From: ccf3 at mindspring.com (Clyde Forrester)
Date: Mon, 03 Jul 2006 23:32:17 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Thanks!
References: <971DA400F719E74CB13BC3E24562A14B01C7EB42@GSBEX.gsb.uchicago.edu>	<1c0063340607030918m4a7e1ec6g9fd460f486665c26@mail.gmail.com>	<da9057e4bc13a83f204c4af0c1d864bc@log.pt>
	<x7u05yac10.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <44A9EF51.7080009@mindspring.com>

Uri Guttman wrote:

>my bar mitzvah teacher used to call me <sarcasm>enrico</sarcasm>!
>
>uri
>
Your bar mitzvah teacher knew about sarcasm tags way back then?

Impressive! <golf-applause />

Clyde



From dha at panix.com  Mon Jul  3 23:03:53 2006
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:03:53 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>
	<m3wtau300x.wl_rs@pobox.com>
	<7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <20060704060353.GA11556@panix.com>

On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:30:10PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> >> Oh, so you saw it after Robert got hold of it?
> >>
> >
> > Huh?  That was Sungo.
> 
> Except that Sungo WASN'T HERE.

Sungo is EVERYWHERE!

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
"Perl Porters, Inc. today announced the release of version .006 of
their popular Perl5 compiler suite, codenamed `Rabid Rat'."
	- Nathan Torkington on p5p (this was a *joke*)

From dha at panix.com  Mon Jul  3 23:03:53 2006
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 02:03:53 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D2071901349322@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<A0B4FB87-092D-4DF9-9F50-DD7F02DBE18A@petdance.com>
	<m3wtau300x.wl_rs@pobox.com>
	<7D879FD6-7A31-4B06-9630-1FFBCECE464D@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <20060704060353.GA11556@panix.com>

On Mon, Jul 03, 2006 at 03:30:10PM -0500, Andy Lester wrote:
> 
> >> Oh, so you saw it after Robert got hold of it?
> >>
> >
> > Huh?  That was Sungo.
> 
> Except that Sungo WASN'T HERE.

Sungo is EVERYWHERE!

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
"Perl Porters, Inc. today announced the release of version .006 of
their popular Perl5 compiler suite, codenamed `Rabid Rat'."
	- Nathan Torkington on p5p (this was a *joke*)

From uri at stemsystems.com  Tue Jul  4 20:22:09 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:22:09 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
Message-ID: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>


has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
swag bag? we played it tonight (4 players) and once we got into the play
it was somewhat amusing. the factoids and quotes were overall pretty
basic and dull. the real problem is that the instructions (on a single
card) are not the best and some of the action cards are ambiguous. like
what does it mean if you draw one less card per round when you only draw
1 per round?  do you just play cards until you run out and are you out
of the game then? anyway what do you think of the game?

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From yapc at geoffeg.org  Tue Jul  4 20:38:03 2006
From: yapc at geoffeg.org (Geoffrey Gallaway)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:38:03 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <20060705033802.GA24146@sin.sloth.org>

I don't play card games, I'm not a geek.

Crap, that's a lie. I'm a geek.

This one time, at band camp, Uri Guttman wrote:
> 
> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
> swag bag? we played it tonight (4 players) and once we got into the play
> it was somewhat amusing. the factoids and quotes were overall pretty
> basic and dull. the real problem is that the instructions (on a single
> card) are not the best and some of the action cards are ambiguous. like
> what does it mean if you draw one less card per round when you only draw
> 1 per round?  do you just play cards until you run out and are you out
> of the game then? anyway what do you think of the game?
> 
> uri
> 
> -- 
> Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
> --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
> Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc

From jim at jgcinteractive.com  Tue Jul  4 20:41:19 2006
From: jim at jgcinteractive.com (Jim Connor (JGC Interactive Inc.))
Date: Tue, 04 Jul 2006 23:41:19 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>

Uri Guttman wrote:
> of the game then? anyway what do you think of the game?
> 

I left mine for the next prisoner^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H resident of my SSV
cell^H^H^H^H room. I hope it will bring joy and mirth to him or her.

My two silent auction books and copy Intermediate Perl forced me to shed
every ounce possible for the trip back to Canada! The game didn't make
the cut, I'm afraid.


From mrnicksgirl at gmail.com  Tue Jul  4 21:11:33 2006
From: mrnicksgirl at gmail.com (Nola Stowe)
Date: Tue, 4 Jul 2006 23:11:33 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>

I gave the game to my sister and fiance, who play all sorts of games. I
don't know too much about it, but they seem to like it! :) Thanks! I think
it was JT that donated those?

 I  gave the octupus to my Grandma, who just broke both wrists and can't use
her hands, I said "Here Grandma, here's 8 more arms!" .. it make her smile
:)  Thanks JT!



On 7/4/06, Jim Connor (JGC Interactive Inc.) <jim at jgcinteractive.com> wrote:
>
> Uri Guttman wrote:
> > of the game then? anyway what do you think of the game?
> >
>
> I left mine for the next prisoner^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H resident of my SSV
> cell^H^H^H^H room. I hope it will bring joy and mirth to him or her.
>
> My two silent auction books and copy Intermediate Perl forced me to shed
> every ounce possible for the trip back to Canada! The game didn't make
> the cut, I'm afraid.
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>



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From jt at plainblack.com  Wed Jul  5 07:18:23 2006
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 09:18:23 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <web-4228106@plainblack.com>

> I gave the game to my sister and fiance, who play all sorts of games. I
> don't know too much about it, but they seem to like it! :) Thanks! I think
> it was JT that donated those?

Yup.

> I  gave the octupus to my Grandma, who just broke both wrists and can't use
> her hands, I said "Here Grandma, here's 8 more arms!" .. it make her smile
> :)  Thanks JT!

You're quite welcome on both counts.


JT ~ Plain Black
ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
fax: 312-264-5382
http://www.plainblack.com

I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 08:51:07 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 11:51:07 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <web-4228106@plainblack.com> (JT Smith's message of "Wed, 05
	Jul 2006 09:18:23 -0500")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "JS" == JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> writes:

  >> I gave the game to my sister and fiance, who play all sorts of games. I
  >> don't know too much about it, but they seem to like it! :) Thanks! I think
  >> it was JT that donated those?

  JS> Yup.

so how about clarifying some of the rules and card actions? :)

how did the move go?

uri

-- 
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--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From notque at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 09:55:09 2006
From: notque at gmail.com (Nathan Oyler)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 09:55:09 -0700
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <7ec76b7f0607050955m3662215fpd21d5ba588b589b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 7/5/06, Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>> "JS" == JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> writes:
>
>   >> I gave the game to my sister and fiance, who play all sorts of games.
> I
>   >> don't know too much about it, but they seem to like it! :) Thanks! I
> think
>   >> it was JT that donated those?
>
>   JS> Yup.
>
> so how about clarifying some of the rules and card actions? :)
>
> how did the move go?
>
> uri



I was planning on playing with the family last night, but dance dance
revolution stole the show.

Reading the rules, you draw cards up to a point each round, not 1. Thus 1
less could matter.

I can't remember the exact number, but i think you always had to stay at 5
cards...
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From rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org  Wed Jul  5 10:14:25 2006
From: rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:14:25 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <20060705171425.GB18386@zodiac.codesimply.com>

* Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> [2006-07-04T23:22:09]
> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
> swag bag? we played it tonight (4 players) and once we got into the play

http://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?CampaignSecrets

-- 
rjbs
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From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 11:18:40 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:18:40 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <20060705171425.GB18386@zodiac.codesimply.com> (Ricardo
	SIGNES's message of "Wed, 5 Jul 2006 13:14:25 -0400")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<20060705171425.GB18386@zodiac.codesimply.com>
Message-ID: <x7ac7n6hkv.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "RS" == Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org> writes:

  RS> * Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> [2006-07-04T23:22:09]
  >> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
  >> swag bag? we played it tonight (4 players) and once we got into the play

  RS> http://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?CampaignSecrets

interesting explanations. i wanna irc with you about some of them that
still aren't clear. according to what you say we didn't play things
correctly.

uri

-- 
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--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org  Wed Jul  5 12:16:11 2006
From: rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org (Ricardo SIGNES)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:16:11 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x7ac7n6hkv.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<20060705171425.GB18386@zodiac.codesimply.com>
	<x7ac7n6hkv.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <20060705191611.GD18386@zodiac.codesimply.com>

* Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> [2006-07-05T14:18:40]
> >>>>> "RS" == Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org> writes:
> 
>   RS> http://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?CampaignSecrets
> 
> interesting explanations. i wanna irc with you about some of them that
> still aren't clear. according to what you say we didn't play things
> correctly.

Everything I wrote is interpretation or fiat, rather than absolutely pure
clarification based on the designer's intent.  The game is so flawed that I
felt like making it fun was better than getting it right. ;)

-- 
rjbs
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From jt at plainblack.com  Wed Jul  5 12:35:51 2006
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 14:35:51 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <web-4233585@plainblack.com>

  Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
> so how about clarifying some of the rules and card actions? :)

Such as?

> how did the move go?

Still in progress. All moved, but still have not unpacked.


JT ~ Plain Black
ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
fax: 312-264-5382
http://www.plainblack.com

I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage

From dagolden at cpan.org  Wed Jul  5 12:45:30 2006
From: dagolden at cpan.org (David Golden)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 15:45:30 -0400
Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA Hackathon leads to Vanilla Perl Build 4
Message-ID: <44AC16DA.8060702@cpan.org>

[ As posted to http://use.perl.org/~dagolden/journal/ ]

I'm pleased to announce the arrival of Vanilla Perl Build 4.

At YAPC::NA, Alias challenged me to have a new release of Vanilla Perl 
and an alpha release of Strawberry Perl out on Thursday during the 
hackathon. Of course, when he said Thursday, he didn't realize that 
would be Thursday of this week. The installer can be downloaded from 
vanillaperl.com.

This work builds on the excellent results of the original vertical metre 
of beer challenge and subsequent bug-squashing as chronicled at 
win32.perl.org.

The biggest change during the hackathon was automating the process of 
building a Vanilla Perl. This is now available on CPAN as 
Perl::Dist::Vanilla. While more refactoring is necessary, this is the 
first step towards creating a general tool for the creation of custom 
executable installers for Win32. For more changes in Build 4, see the 
Changes file.

Here's more about the project from vanillaperl.com:

~~~

Vanilla Perl Project

The Vanilla Perl Project is a experiment to provide binary Perl 
distributions for the Microsoft Windows platform that include a bundled 
compiler. Bundling a compiler provides the ability to install XS CPAN 
modules directly from CPAN, making the Win32 Perl development more akin 
to Unix perl development.

Vanilla Perl Series

The Vanilla Perl series provides a Perl 5.8.8 distribution that is as 
close to to the Perl core as possible, with a small set of upgraded 
versions of dual CPAN/core modules that have win32-specific fixes.

Vanilla Perl is experimental and is not intended for production 
purposes. It is targeted to master-level Win32 Perl developers and those 
who wish to experiment with building their own custom Win32 Perl 
distributions. Vanilla Perl releases are numbered only as sequential 
'builds' and will not follow any alpha/beta/release plan.

~~~

I'm continuing work on Strawberry Perl and have high hopes to have a 
release later this week. Allison and the TPF are also conducting a 
license review to confirm that it can indeed be released under the same 
terms as Perl. Stay tuned for more win32 Perl...

Regards,
David

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 13:57:25 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:57:25 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <20060705191611.GD18386@zodiac.codesimply.com> (Ricardo
	SIGNES's message of "Wed, 5 Jul 2006 15:16:11 -0400")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<20060705171425.GB18386@zodiac.codesimply.com>
	<x7ac7n6hkv.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<20060705191611.GD18386@zodiac.codesimply.com>
Message-ID: <x7irmb4vnu.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "RS" == Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org> writes:

  RS> * Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> [2006-07-05T14:18:40]
  >> >>>>> "RS" == Ricardo SIGNES <rjbs-perl-yapc at lists.manxome.org> writes:
  >> 
  RS> http://yapcchicago.org/wiki/index.cgi?CampaignSecrets
  >> 
  >> interesting explanations. i wanna irc with you about some of them that
  >> still aren't clear. according to what you say we didn't play things
  >> correctly.

  RS> Everything I wrote is interpretation or fiat, rather than
  RS> absolutely pure clarification based on the designer's intent.  The
  RS> game is so flawed that I felt like making it fun was better than
  RS> getting it right. ;)

but it seems to me that some of your new rules are slightly
confusing. more when i reread them with the cards next to me. :)

uri

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From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 14:06:23 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:06:23 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <web-4233585@plainblack.com> (JT Smith's message of "Wed, 05
	Jul 2006 14:35:51 -0500")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4233585@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <x78xn74v8w.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "JS" == JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> writes:

  JS>   Uri Guttman <uri at stemsystems.com> wrote:
  >> so how about clarifying some of the rules and card actions? :)

  JS> Such as?

well, rjbs did some on the wiki page with his fiats and house rules. he
saw some of the same ambiguities i saw.

  >> how did the move go?

  JS> Still in progress. All moved, but still have not unpacked.

then why are you reading your spam instead of unpacking? :)

and remember, we need to talk! i will be gone fri-wed so i will spam you
after that.

uri

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From will at coleda.com  Wed Jul  5 14:09:48 2006
From: will at coleda.com (Will Coleda)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:09:48 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>


On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

>
> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
> swag bag?

Apparently not in every bag. :(

--
Will "Coke" Coleda
will at coleda.com



From jt at plainblack.com  Wed Jul  5 14:32:08 2006
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:32:08 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x78xn74v8w.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4233585@plainblack.com> <x78xn74v8w.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <web-4234656@plainblack.com>

> well, rjbs did some on the wiki page with his fiats and house rules. he
> saw some of the same ambiguities i saw.


The rules are that you have 5 cards in your hand, and draw back up to 5 each turn. You 
play one card per turn. Secrets are played face down in front of the person you want 
them to affect, and NO you can't look at your own secrets. Half the fun of the game is 
deciding whether to get rid of your own secrets, or risk letting them come out.

Cards that say you get one less card per turn, or one more card mean that you draw up to 
4 cards, or up to 6 cards rather than 5. The reason that it doesn't just say that is 
because if you reshuffle the deck then you have a chance of drawing the card again, and 
thusly go down to 3 or up to 7.

Anything else you want to know, ask specifically.

I did read some of his rules, and they are quite interesting. I may incorporate some of 
those ideas into a future release if we ever do another release.



> then why are you reading your spam instead of unpacking? :)

I'm actually working, and just answering some spam here and there when I have a chance. 
I'll be doing more unpacking tonight.


> and remember, we need to talk! i will be gone fri-wed so i will spam you
> after that.

Indeed.

JT ~ Plain Black
ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
fax: 312-264-5382
http://www.plainblack.com

I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage

From kent at c2group.net  Wed Jul  5 14:33:50 2006
From: kent at c2group.net (Kent Cowgill)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:33:50 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <web-4234656@plainblack.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4233585@plainblack.com> <x78xn74v8w.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4234656@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <20060705163303.X96467@atbash.c2group.net>

Wait - what I don't get is when it is you're supposed to drink.

It's a drinking game, right?

-Kent

On Wed, 5 Jul 2006, JT Smith wrote:

> > well, rjbs did some on the wiki page with his fiats and house rules. he
> > saw some of the same ambiguities i saw.
>
>
> The rules are that you have 5 cards in your hand, and draw back up to 5 each turn. You
> play one card per turn. Secrets are played face down in front of the person you want
> them to affect, and NO you can't look at your own secrets. Half the fun of the game is
> deciding whether to get rid of your own secrets, or risk letting them come out.
>
> Cards that say you get one less card per turn, or one more card mean that you draw up to
> 4 cards, or up to 6 cards rather than 5. The reason that it doesn't just say that is
> because if you reshuffle the deck then you have a chance of drawing the card again, and
> thusly go down to 3 or up to 7.
>
> Anything else you want to know, ask specifically.
>
> I did read some of his rules, and they are quite interesting. I may incorporate some of
> those ideas into a future release if we ever do another release.
>
>
>
> > then why are you reading your spam instead of unpacking? :)
>
> I'm actually working, and just answering some spam here and there when I have a chance.
> I'll be doing more unpacking tonight.
>
>
> > and remember, we need to talk! i will be gone fri-wed so i will spam you
> > after that.
>
> Indeed.
>
> JT ~ Plain Black
> ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
> fax: 312-264-5382
> http://www.plainblack.com
>
> I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>

From jim at jgcinteractive.com  Wed Jul  5 14:38:22 2006
From: jim at jgcinteractive.com (Jim Connor (JGC Interactive Inc.))
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:38:22 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>
Message-ID: <44AC314E.2080103@jgcinteractive.com>

Will Coleda wrote:
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
> 
>> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
>> swag bag?
> 
> Apparently not in every bag. :(
Go to SSV middle, room 405. There's one there! (Or at least there was
when I left on Friday!)
> 
> --
> Will "Coke" Coleda
> will at coleda.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
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> 

From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Wed Jul  5 14:45:30 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 16:45:30 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <44AC314E.2080103@jgcinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <OF02BAC456.8A17EBB6-ON862571A2.00773A14-862571A2.007780C8@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

Er, there was a brief period of time when some bags went out w/o a full 
kit, due to  ... queueing issues.   Just as, for a while, every 9th name 
didn't have a badge, a small slice of the bags had different contents - on 
the other hand we threw in whatever we could find to replace the missing 
items (doughnuts, old socks etc) so .... while you  may not have gotten 
the card game, at least you didn't get the dead mouse (well, its probably 
dead by now).

a

Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov 
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

"Accurate measurement is the begining of all wisdom."
- Imhotep c.a. 2650 B.C.

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 14:45:27 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 17:45:27 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com> (Will
	Coleda's message of "Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:09:48 -0400")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>
Message-ID: <x7k66r3evc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "WC" == Will Coleda <will at coleda.com> writes:

  WC> On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:

  >> 
  >> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
  >> swag bag?

  WC> Apparently not in every bag. :(

well, now you know who to flame about that - jt!! :)

i wouldn't be surprised if someone would just send you their set as they
know they won't play it. any volunteers? :)

uri

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From tom at legrady.ca  Wed Jul  5 14:49:02 2006
From: tom at legrady.ca (Tom Legrady)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:49:02 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>
Message-ID: <E2CC2171-14F7-4694-A070-7126FBE8270C@legrady.ca>

I didn't get one, either ...

The REAL rules of the swag bag card game:

* Some people receive something of moderate value.

* campaign is launched to convince the people who didn't get one,  
that they're missing out on something of real, major value.

* the deprived people, now turned into depraved people by homicidal  
jealousy, hunt down those who have been foolish enough to reveal  
their identity as a lucky-son-of-a-bitch (tm), and take away their  
swag bag loot.

* those who have loot at the end of the game are winners; those who  
don't are losers; those who got hit too hard over the head in the  
process of losing their loot are dead.

* the end of the game will be announced by the person you least  
expect, or the next time Uri sings, whichever comes first.


Tom

On 5-Jul-06, at 5:09 PM, Will Coleda wrote:

>
> On Jul 4, 2006, at 11:22 PM, Uri Guttman wrote:
>
>>
>> has anyone else played that political secrets card game we got in the
>> swag bag?
>
> Apparently not in every bag. :(
>
> --
> Will "Coke" Coleda
> will at coleda.com
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>

Tom Legrady
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XMas Shopping photos => http://www.flickr.com/photos/89217343 at N00/ 
sets/1601047/show



From jt at plainblack.com  Wed Jul  5 14:57:30 2006
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 16:57:30 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <20060705163303.X96467@atbash.c2group.net>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4233585@plainblack.com> <x78xn74v8w.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4234656@plainblack.com>
	<20060705163303.X96467@atbash.c2group.net>
Message-ID: <web-4234854@plainblack.com>

> Wait - what I don't get is when it is you're supposed to drink.
> 
> It's a drinking game, right?

It has been used as one many times before. The rules are pretty simple:

a) When you have a secret revealed on you take a shot.

b) When you stop a secret from being revealed, the person that you stopped takes two 
shots.

c) And if you just want to get drunk fast, every time a secret is played (revealed or 
not) take a shot.


JT ~ Plain Black
ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
fax: 312-264-5382
http://www.plainblack.com

I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 15:06:58 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:06:58 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <web-4234656@plainblack.com> (JT Smith's message of "Wed, 05
	Jul 2006 16:32:08 -0500")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<44AB34DF.8020409@jgcinteractive.com>
	<43e95380607042111l7ad286fbse12310f551a0af8f@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4228106@plainblack.com> <x7irmc59uc.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4233585@plainblack.com> <x78xn74v8w.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<web-4234656@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <x7ejwz3dvh.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "JS" == JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> writes:

  >> well, rjbs did some on the wiki page with his fiats and house rules. he
  >> saw some of the same ambiguities i saw.


  JS> The rules are that you have 5 cards in your hand, and draw back up
  JS> to 5 each turn. You play one card per turn. Secrets are played
  JS> face down in front of the person you want them to affect, and NO
  JS> you can't look at your own secrets. Half the fun of the game is
  JS> deciding whether to get rid of your own secrets, or risk letting
  JS> them come out.

i figured out that putting a secret with a good benefit in front of me
was a good idea late in the game. the other players kept asking when
benefits come in and i guessed (correctly) that the election card would
say. that bit and some of the costs stuff needs to be clarified IMO.

  JS> Cards that say you get one less card per turn, or one more card
  JS> mean that you draw up to 4 cards, or up to 6 cards rather than
  JS> 5. The reason that it doesn't just say that is because if you
  JS> reshuffle the deck then you have a chance of drawing the card
  JS> again, and thusly go down to 3 or up to 7.

that is not what the cards say. :(

it should say you now can *HOLD* 1 fewer/more cards from now on. i was
drawing 2 cards each round according to the instructions. 'get' ne
'hold'. also does that last the whole game or just the primaries or
election round?

  JS> Anything else you want to know, ask specifically.

i wasn't sure the best way to play some of the 'play anytime' or 'play
when a secret is revealed'. i deduced that you could form alliances (we
didn't as it was our first game and only had 4 players. this needs to be
played with more i think for the dynamics to work better) and use some
of your cards for the good of others. but even then there can be only 1
winner so backstabbing will ensue.

  JS> I did read some of his rules, and they are quite interesting. I
  JS> may incorporate some of those ideas into a future release if we
  JS> ever do another release.

so that is your game invention too? some of rjbs's ideas seem
interesting. it would be nice to have more of the rules explained on a
sheet and not on a short card. also the quotes and factoids seemed
somewhat boring at times. but that can't be helped and once the game is
played a bunch i am sure they will be ignored from seeing them too
often.

uri

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--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 15:09:03 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 18:09:03 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <E2CC2171-14F7-4694-A070-7126FBE8270C@legrady.ca> (Tom
	Legrady's message of "Wed, 5 Jul 2006 17:49:02 -0400")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<3C2F598B-C982-4619-A407-8C60FA38002D@coleda.com>
	<E2CC2171-14F7-4694-A070-7126FBE8270C@legrady.ca>
Message-ID: <x7ac7n3ds0.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "TL" == Tom Legrady <tom at legrady.ca> writes:

  TL> * the end of the game will be announced by the person you least  
  TL> expect, or the next time Uri sings, whichever comes first.

o/' there's antimony, arsenic, aluminum, selenium o/'

uri

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From jesseshy at gmail.com  Wed Jul  5 18:18:58 2006
From: jesseshy at gmail.com (Jesse Shy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 20:18:58 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <645a6f0b0607051818x613c615du7562e7a1c268f52d@mail.gmail.com>

My sister and brother-in-law have played about 7 times in three days. My
sister is hooked and I can't wait for my wife to get back so we can all four
play. The only thing we got wrong was the draw 1 more/less card per turn.

Question:
There is a card that says: See special play rules.

No special play rules in the deck or on-line. What are we suppose to do?
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From jt at plainblack.com  Wed Jul  5 18:26:01 2006
From: jt at plainblack.com (JT Smith)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:26:01 -0500
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <645a6f0b0607051818x613c615du7562e7a1c268f52d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<645a6f0b0607051818x613c615du7562e7a1c268f52d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <web-4236042@plainblack.com>

> There is a card that says: See special play rules.
> 
> No special play rules in the deck or on-line. What are we suppose to do?

What's the name of the card?



JT ~ Plain Black
ph: 703-286-2525 ext. 810
fax: 312-264-5382
http://www.plainblack.com

I reject your reality, and substitute my own. ~ Adam Savage

From diona at knowmad.com  Wed Jul  5 18:33:47 2006
From: diona at knowmad.com (Diona Kidd)
Date: Wed, 5 Jul 2006 21:33:47 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Thanks for a great YAPC
In-Reply-To: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
Message-ID: <0DD4ED2A-AFE8-46D4-B0DB-C819F9559C6C@knowmad.com>

I'd like to chime in and also say "Thanks" for another great YAPC.  
I'm sure it's a lot of hard work planning the event and working it.  
Thanks for pulling everything together...

Diona Kidd
---
Knowmad Technologies
http://www.knowmad.com
diona at knowmad.com

From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Jul  5 20:53:37 2006
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 05 Jul 2006 23:53:37 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: <web-4236042@plainblack.com> (JT Smith's message of "Wed, 05
	Jul 2006 20:26:01 -0500")
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<645a6f0b0607051818x613c615du7562e7a1c268f52d@mail.gmail.com>
	<web-4236042@plainblack.com>
Message-ID: <x7psgj1j9a.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>

>>>>> "JS" == JT Smith <jt at plainblack.com> writes:

  >> There is a card that says: See special play rules.
  >> 
  >> No special play rules in the deck or on-line. What are we suppose to do?

  JS> What's the name of the card?

we saw the same card (can't recall the name) and were also confused. I
DEMAND MY MONEY BACK!! this game is rigged!!

uri

-- 
Uri Guttman  ------  uri at stemsystems.com  -------- http://www.stemsystems.com
--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding-
Search or Offer Perl Jobs  ----------------------------  http://jobs.perl.org

From dha at panix.com  Thu Jul  6 00:04:54 2006
From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 03:04:54 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Matching names to antlers
In-Reply-To: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
References: <20060701210348.GC2233@woobling.org>
Message-ID: <20060706070454.GA4571@panix.com>

On Sun, Jul 02, 2006 at 12:03:48AM +0300, Yuval Kogman wrote:
> 
> I don't remember everyone's name, so be gentle and add them
> yourself. To do that you need to become my flickr contact (I don't
> really know how to do that though).

I added you as a flickr contact, but the "add notes" thingie doesn't
seem to be appearing. I'm not absolutely sure, but I think you may have
to make *us* flickr contacts of *yours* for that to work.

Or maybe it just takes longer than I've given it. *shrug*

dha

-- 
David H. Adler - <dha at panix.com> - http://www.panix.com/~dha/
We honestly don't want to see another technicolored cow.
	- the #macintosh faq

From roderick at argon.org  Thu Jul  6 06:08:31 2006
From: roderick at argon.org (Roderick Schertler)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 09:08:31 -0400
Subject: [yapc] swag card game
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Wed, 05 Jul 2006 20:18:58 CDT."
References: <x78xn87n32.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<645a6f0b0607051818x613c615du7562e7a1c268f52d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <22818.1152191311@eeyore.ibcinc.com>

There's very little information about Campaign Secrets on its web page
(http://www.boardgamegeek.com/game/11020) at the Boardgamegeek web site
(the locus for all things boardgamey).  The only content of substance is
a review (http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/82277) by the hobby's most
prolific reviewer, a man notorious for being upbeat about almost every
game he reviews, in which he thoroughly pans the game.  In fact it's the
most negative of his reviews I've ever read.

Perhaps one of you new fans of the game would visit the site and write a
dissenting opinion.

-- 
Roderick Schertler
roderick at argon.org

From trey at lopsa.org  Thu Jul  6 17:53:28 2006
From: trey at lopsa.org (Trey Harris)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:53:28 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [yapc] Syntax highlighting for presentations
In-Reply-To: <0DD4ED2A-AFE8-46D4-B0DB-C819F9559C6C@knowmad.com>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<0DD4ED2A-AFE8-46D4-B0DB-C819F9559C6C@knowmad.com>
Message-ID: <20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu>

I noticed a lot of folks had pretty syntax-highlighted/colored code in 
their presentations.  I've done that too, but I'll bet my process 
(perltidy to HTML, HTML to PDF, dropped and zoomed/cropped into the slide) 
is a lot more laborious than what others have worked out.

If I may ask, does anyone have nice tools for converting a snippet of code 
into a pretty graphic?  I use Keynote, but I could probably adapt certain 
tools that target other presenters.

Trey

From chris at fedde.littleton.co.us  Thu Jul  6 20:06:38 2006
From: chris at fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde)
Date: Thu, 06 Jul 2006 21:06:38 -0600
Subject: [yapc] Syntax highlighting for presentations
In-Reply-To: <20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu> 
Message-ID: <200607070306.k6736crA015357@fedde.littleton.co.us>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006 17:53:28 -0700 (PDT)  Trey Harris wrote:
 +------------------
 | I noticed a lot of folks had pretty syntax-highlighted/colored code in 
 | their presentations.  I've done that too, but I'll bet my process 
 | (perltidy to HTML, HTML to PDF, dropped and zoomed/cropped into the slide) 
 | is a lot more laborious than what others have worked out.
 | 
 | If I may ask, does anyone have nice tools for converting a snippet of code 
 | into a pretty graphic?  I use Keynote, but I could probably adapt certain 
 | tools that target other presenters.
 +------------------

that's the other thing perl is for.  Automating such processes.

--
    Chris Fedde

From ken at mathforum.org  Thu Jul  6 20:33:08 2006
From: ken at mathforum.org (Ken Williams)
Date: Thu, 6 Jul 2006 22:33:08 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Syntax highlighting for presentations
In-Reply-To: <20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<0DD4ED2A-AFE8-46D4-B0DB-C819F9559C6C@knowmad.com>
	<20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <9371EF08-F202-42B5-B328-58F2BD3411A3@mathforum.org>


On Jul 6, 2006, at 7:53 PM, Trey Harris wrote:

> I noticed a lot of folks had pretty syntax-highlighted/colored code in
> their presentations.  I've done that too, but I'll bet my process
> (perltidy to HTML, HTML to PDF, dropped and zoomed/cropped into the  
> slide)
> is a lot more laborious than what others have worked out.
>
> If I may ask, does anyone have nice tools for converting a snippet  
> of code
> into a pretty graphic?  I use Keynote, but I could probably adapt  
> certain
> tools that target other presenters.

Since you're on OS X, you could copy a chunk of code to the  
clipboard, then do:

  pbpaste | enscript --color -Eperl -p - > /tmp/code.ps
  open code.ps

then copy the portion of the page that you want, and paste into Keynote.

It ought to be possible to do:

  pbpaste | enscript --color -Eperl -p - | pbcopy -Prefer ps

and get the picture directly on the clipboard, but I couldn't get it  
to work.

  -Ken


From autarch at urth.org  Fri Jul  7 04:53:27 2006
From: autarch at urth.org (Dave Rolsky)
Date: Fri, 7 Jul 2006 06:53:27 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [yapc] Syntax highlighting for presentations
In-Reply-To: <20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>
	<0DD4ED2A-AFE8-46D4-B0DB-C819F9559C6C@knowmad.com>
	<20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607070652230.14762@urth.org>

On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Trey Harris wrote:

> I noticed a lot of folks had pretty syntax-highlighted/colored code in
> their presentations.  I've done that too, but I'll bet my process
> (perltidy to HTML, HTML to PDF, dropped and zoomed/cropped into the slide)
> is a lot more laborious than what others have worked out.
>
> If I may ask, does anyone have nice tools for converting a snippet of code
> into a pretty graphic?  I use Keynote, but I could probably adapt certain
> tools that target other presenters.

I use Spork and the Spork::Hilite plugin. It's not well documented (it's 
Ingy code!) but it has worked nicely for me.


-dave

/*===================================================
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Your guide to all that's veg.       My book blog
===================================================*/

From mpeters at plusthree.com  Fri Jul  7 06:27:42 2006
From: mpeters at plusthree.com (Michael Peters)
Date: Fri, 07 Jul 2006 09:27:42 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Syntax highlighting for presentations
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0607070652230.14762@urth.org>
References: <9321A73F77470E4CB44903D606D207190134931B@WPSCV6MQ.OPR.STATEFARM.ORG>	<0DD4ED2A-AFE8-46D4-B0DB-C819F9559C6C@knowmad.com>	<20060706174952.Y21435@bowser.eecs.harvard.edu>
	<Pine.LNX.4.64.0607070652230.14762@urth.org>
Message-ID: <44AE614E.90604@plusthree.com>



Dave Rolsky wrote:
> On Thu, 6 Jul 2006, Trey Harris wrote:
> 
>> I noticed a lot of folks had pretty syntax-highlighted/colored code in
>> their presentations.  I've done that too, but I'll bet my process
>> (perltidy to HTML, HTML to PDF, dropped and zoomed/cropped into the slide)
>> is a lot more laborious than what others have worked out.
>>
>> If I may ask, does anyone have nice tools for converting a snippet of code
>> into a pretty graphic?  I use Keynote, but I could probably adapt certain
>> tools that target other presenters.
> 
> I use Spork and the Spork::Hilite plugin. It's not well documented (it's 
> Ingy code!) but it has worked nicely for me.

I used this as well. Also, the weekend before the conference I hacked together a
couple of spork plugins: Spork::Plugin::Syntax::HTML,
Spork::Plugin::Syntax::Perl and Spork::Plugin::Syntax::Javascript. I have plans
for cleaning them up and releasing to CPAN.

It let me do stuff like this

.sytnax_perl
  my %foo = (
    bar => 1,
    baz => 2,
  );
.syntax_perl

and have it highlighted. I also plan to unify them down to one plugin that would
handled multiple languages. If there's enough interest, I might be able to find
more tuits for that.

-- 
Michael Peters
Developer
Plus Three, LP


From josh at yapcchicago.org  Sat Jul  8 18:26:49 2006
From: josh at yapcchicago.org (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2006 20:26:49 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
Message-ID: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>

I have a box of lost and found items from YAPC.  If you think that  
you left something at the conference, let me know and I just might  
have it.

From shijialee at gmail.com  Sat Jul  8 18:38:10 2006
From: shijialee at gmail.com (Qiang ( James ) Li)
Date: Sat, 08 Jul 2006 21:38:10 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
References: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
Message-ID: <44B05E02.6040303@gmail.com>

I think I lost my auction item -- the $40 Netherlands cookies  :-) 

Qiang ( James )

Joshua McAdams wrote:
> I have a box of lost and found items from YAPC.  If you think that  
> you left something at the conference, let me know and I just might  
> have it.
> _______________________________________________
> yapc mailing list
> yapc at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc
>
>   

From merlyn at stonehenge.com  Sat Jul  8 18:47:18 2006
From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz)
Date: 08 Jul 2006 18:47:18 -0700
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
References: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
Message-ID: <86d5cfv9ax.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>

>>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua McAdams <josh at yapcchicago.org> writes:

Joshua> I have a box of lost and found items from YAPC.  If you think that  
Joshua> you left something at the conference, let me know and I just might  
Joshua> have it.

What a coincidence... I lost a box full of items.  I can't remember exactly
what they are, but if you email me the description of the contents of that
box, I can confirm that it's my box.

:-)

-- 
Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095
<merlyn at stonehenge.com> <URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/>
Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc.
See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training!

From zrusilla at mac.com  Sun Jul  9 10:13:10 2006
From: zrusilla at mac.com (zrusilla at mac.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 10:13:10 -0700
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <44B05E02.6040303@gmail.com>
References: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
	<44B05E02.6040303@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <627bd6fc8100a56d25c7cc8fc79d4c08@mac.com>

They're IN MY BELLY!


> I think I lost my auction item -- the $40 Netherlands cookies  :-)
>
> Qiang ( James )
>
> Joshua McAdams wrote:
>> I have a box of lost and found items from YAPC.  If you think that
>> you left something at the conference, let me know and I just might
>> have it.


From jim at jgcinteractive.com  Sun Jul  9 12:53:57 2006
From: jim at jgcinteractive.com (Jim Connor (JGC Interactive Inc.))
Date: Sun, 09 Jul 2006 15:53:57 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <86d5cfv9ax.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
References: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
	<86d5cfv9ax.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
Message-ID: <44B15ED5.8070004@jgcinteractive.com>

Randal L. Schwartz wrote:
>>>>>> "Joshua" == Joshua McAdams <josh at yapcchicago.org> writes:
> 
> Joshua> I have a box of lost and found items from YAPC.  If you think that  
> Joshua> you left something at the conference, let me know and I just might  
> Joshua> have it.
> 
> What a coincidence... I lost a box full of items.  I can't remember exactly
> what they are, but if you email me the description of the contents of that
> box, I can confirm that it's my box.
> 
> :-)
> 

Randal,

Is this yours?:

my @required = qw(preserver sunscreen water_bottle jacket);

/Jim

From nothingmuch at woobling.org  Sun Jul  9 13:46:32 2006
From: nothingmuch at woobling.org (Yuval Kogman)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 23:46:32 +0300
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <44B15ED5.8070004@jgcinteractive.com>
References: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
	<86d5cfv9ax.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<44B15ED5.8070004@jgcinteractive.com>
Message-ID: <20060709204632.GY19536@woobling.org>

On Sun, Jul 09, 2006 at 15:53:57 -0400, Jim Connor (JGC Interactive Inc.) wrote:

> my @required = qw(preserver sunscreen water_bottle jacket);

What about the credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis
enlarger signed by Randal Schwartz?

-- 
  Yuval Kogman <nothingmuch at woobling.org>
http://nothingmuch.woobling.org  0xEBD27418

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From andy at petdance.com  Sun Jul  9 13:48:59 2006
From: andy at petdance.com (Andy Lester)
Date: Sun, 9 Jul 2006 15:48:59 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <20060709204632.GY19536@woobling.org>
References: <AE95C21C-125D-4CFA-9148-FDDB92744521@yapcchicago.org>
	<86d5cfv9ax.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com>
	<44B15ED5.8070004@jgcinteractive.com>
	<20060709204632.GY19536@woobling.org>
Message-ID: <E9BAE1D6-0F63-4E32-BF63-877ABDD30796@petdance.com>

>
> What about the credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis
> enlarger signed by Randal Schwartz?

I have that as a PDF.

--
Andy Lester => andy at petdance.com => www.petdance.com => AIM:petdance





From patrick.anderson at bankofamerica.com  Mon Jul 10 07:37:01 2006
From: patrick.anderson at bankofamerica.com (Anderson, Patrick)
Date: Mon, 10 Jul 2006 10:37:01 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Lost & Found
In-Reply-To: <E9BAE1D6-0F63-4E32-BF63-877ABDD30796@petdance.com>
Message-ID: <1F2A39F226E7774389C8C2DE13AD883F018190A8@ex2k.bankofamerica.com>

> > What about the credit card receipt for Swedish-made penis enlarger 
> > signed by Randal Schwartz?
> 
> I have that as a PDF.

Ah, but did he fill out his warranty card?


From jrockway at uchicago.edu  Wed Jul 12 03:21:55 2006
From: jrockway at uchicago.edu (Jonathan Rockway)
Date: Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:21:55 -0500
Subject: [yapc] Blog software
Message-ID: <44B4CD43.5030606@uchicago.edu>

=pod

A few people have been asking me about putting up the source code to the
blogging software that my YAPC talk was about
(L<http://www.jrock.us/yapc/slides/yapc_slides.html>).

Well, thanks to them bugging me, it's up now. :)  You can view the Trac
site (Wiki/Problem Tickets/SVN) at:

L<http://www.jrock.us/trac/blog_software>

The actual software is "in production" at:

L<http://blog.jrock.us/>

Feel free to find bugs and report them!  Keep in mind that this is
pre-release uber-alpha software, so it's not perfect yet. In fact, it
doesn't even have a name, although you can suggest one on the Wiki. :)

Regards,
Jonathan Rockway

From ghendricks at novell.com  Mon Jul 17 11:38:07 2006
From: ghendricks at novell.com (Gregary Hendricks)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:38:07 -0600
Subject: [yapc] YAPC video recording: first sample
In-Reply-To: <44A64C1F.PROVO4.WAL4-2.100.1393779.1.604E.1@1:3F7B0EF1.PROVO.PRV-2.100.1393779.1.232.1@13>
References: <44A64C1F.PROVO4.WAL4-2.100.1393779.1.604E.1@1:3F7B0EF1.PROVO.PRV-2.100.1393779.1.232.1@13>
Message-ID: <1153161487.27559.90.camel@umbreon.provo.novell.com>

On Sat, 2006-07-01 at 14:19 +0000, Chris Dolan wrote:
> On Jun 30, 2006, at 7:29 PM, Scott Walters wrote:
> 
> > Hi Chris, everyone,
> >
> > I'm holding my breath eagerly awaiting the rest of the recordings so
> > I can share them with the Perl Mongers who weren't able to make it.
> > Please announce far and wide when these are ready.
> >
> > Thank you =)
> >
> > Regards,
> > -scott
> 
> Scott et al.,
> 
> It's going to be about a week before the first ones come out.   
> Several speakers have asked for a chance to look at them and give  
> approval before they go out to the world.  Other speakers have asked  
> to have some personal information to be edited out.  And a few other  
> presentations were mangled by my beta software and will need some  
> manual repair.  Therefore, I recommend an oxygen tank for your breath  
> holding exercise.  :-)
> 
> When the first ones are ready, I will announce an RSS feed on this  
> email list.  If you subscribe to that feed, you will be able view the  
> presentations as they are released.
> 
> Chris

Any update on these?

-- 
Gregary Hendricks <ghendricks at novell.com>


From tim at consultix-inc.com  Mon Jul 17 12:02:41 2006
From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 12:02:41 -0700
Subject: [yapc] YAPC video recording: first sample
In-Reply-To: <1153161487.27559.90.camel@umbreon.provo.novell.com>
References: <1153161487.27559.90.camel@umbreon.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <20060717190241.GA23736@jumpy.consultix-inc.com>

On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 12:38:07PM -0600, Gregary Hendricks wrote:
> > 
> > When the first ones are ready, I will announce an RSS feed on this  
> > email list.  If you subscribe to that feed, you will be able view the  
> > presentations as they are released.
> > 
> > Chris

Chris,

Just for clarification, you're only going to send out the talks via RSS
for which you've already obtained the speakers authorization to distribute,
right?  (I'm withholding my authorization until I preview the video.)

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From shildreth at allantgroup.com  Mon Jul 17 12:14:02 2006
From: shildreth at allantgroup.com (Scott T. Hildreth)
Date: Mon, 17 Jul 2006 14:14:02 -0500
Subject: [yapc] YAPC video recording: first sample
In-Reply-To: <1153161487.27559.90.camel@umbreon.provo.novell.com>
References: <44A64C1F.PROVO4.WAL4-2.100.1393779.1.604E.1@1:3F7B0EF1.PROVO.PRV-2.100.1393779.1.232.1@13>
	<1153161487.27559.90.camel@umbreon.provo.novell.com>
Message-ID: <1153163642.60970.426.camel@scotth.emsphone.com>

On Mon, 2006-07-17 at 12:38 -0600, Gregary Hendricks wrote:
 
> 
> Any update on these?


  I actually just watched the sample, very nice Chris.
  I anxiously await the others!


-- 
Scott T. Hildreth <shildreth at allantgroup.com>

From chris at clotho.com  Mon Jul 17 23:39:41 2006
From: chris at clotho.com (Chris Dolan)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 01:39:41 -0500
Subject: [yapc] YAPC video recording: first sample
In-Reply-To: <20060717190241.GA23736@jumpy.consultix-inc.com>
References: <1153161487.27559.90.camel@umbreon.provo.novell.com>
	<20060717190241.GA23736@jumpy.consultix-inc.com>
Message-ID: <38ED2288-2B79-4280-B356-D30B205A24E9@clotho.com>

On Jul 17, 2006, at 2:02 PM, Tim Maher wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 17, 2006 at 12:38:07PM -0600, Gregary Hendricks wrote:
>>>
>>> When the first ones are ready, I will announce an RSS feed on this
>>> email list.  If you subscribe to that feed, you will be able view  
>>> the
>>> presentations as they are released.
>>>
>>> Chris
>
> Chris,
>
> Just for clarification, you're only going to send out the talks via  
> RSS
> for which you've already obtained the speakers authorization to  
> distribute,
> right?  (I'm withholding my authorization until I preview the video.)

Initially I'll only be converting the presentations where I have  
authorization.  Once those are all done, I'll do the other special  
cases upon speakers' request (Tim: I consider the above to be a  
request).

As for release date: I've had to do more coding than expected to get  
the quality I demand, so the presentations aren't ready for public  
consumption anyway yet.  Such are the perils of deploying beta  
software in a setting like a conference!

Chris

-- 
Chris Dolan, Software Developer, Clotho Advanced Media Inc.
608-294-7900, fax 294-7025, 1435 E Main St, Madison WI 53703
vCard: http://www.chrisdolan.net/ChrisDolan.vcf

Clotho Advanced Media, Inc. - Creators of MediaLandscape Software  
(http://www.media-landscape.com/) and partners in the revolutionary  
Croquet project (http://www.opencroquet.org/)



From MichaelRWolf at att.net  Tue Jul 18 05:27:15 2006
From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf)
Date: Tue, 18 Jul 2006 08:27:15 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Dinner or blues music July 23-28
Message-ID: <mailman.23.1153225658.18725.yapc@pm.org>

I'll be back in Chicago teaching a Perl class next week.  Anyone interested
in joining me that night for dinner?  I didn't get to hear some local music
(though I did hear /(Yo ){2}Ma/)  while in town for YAPC.  

I'll be staying at ORD without a car, so anywhere near the "L" would be
great.

-- 
Michael R. Wolf
    All mammals learn by playing!
        MichaelRWolf at att.net


From cbrandt at buffalo.edu  Thu Jul 20 13:13:05 2006
From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt)
Date: Thu, 20 Jul 2006 16:13:05 -0400
Subject: [yapc] Can you make YAPC::NA happen next year?
Message-ID: <44BFE3D1.9080502@buffalo.edu>


Did you have fun at YAPC::NA this year? Did you learn something new 
about Perl and how to use it to make your job easier? Did you walk away 
thinking it just might be time for you to give something back to the 
Perl community, but you aren't quite ready to hack the Perl core?

YAPC::NA happened this year because Josh and Pete and many more 
volunteers made it happen. And because of what they did, people were 
able to get together and help Perl.

Can you be next?

Check this out and get your bids in:

http://news.perlfoundation.org/2006/07/reminder_yapcna_call_for_venue.html

Thanks,
Jim


-- 
Jim Brandt
Conferences Chair
The Perl Foundation


From Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov  Fri Jul 28 07:29:40 2006
From: Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov (Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:29:40 -0500
Subject: [yapc] video presentations?
Message-ID: <OF5E7358D2.315ABC2B-ON862571B9.004F58E9-862571B9.004F945B@uscmail.uscourts.gov>

So ... w/ OSCON ending, any chance the rest of the premission slips for 
the video etc. presentations will get put through and we can maybe get a 
look at the presentations we missed?

a

Andy Bach, Sys. Mangler
Internet: andy_bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov 
VOICE: (608) 261-5738  FAX 264-5932

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From chris at clotho.com  Fri Jul 28 07:36:03 2006
From: chris at clotho.com (Chris Dolan)
Date: Fri, 28 Jul 2006 09:36:03 -0500
Subject: [yapc] video presentations?
In-Reply-To: <OF5E7358D2.315ABC2B-ON862571B9.004F58E9-862571B9.004F945B@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
References: <OF5E7358D2.315ABC2B-ON862571B9.004F58E9-862571B9.004F945B@uscmail.uscourts.gov>
Message-ID: <64C9101C-920A-4B16-8699-A86368114B5A@clotho.com>

On Jul 28, 2006, at 9:29 AM, Andy_Bach at wiwb.uscourts.gov wrote:

> So ... w/ OSCON ending, any chance the rest of the premission slips  
> for
> the video etc. presentations will get put through and we can maybe  
> get a
> look at the presentations we missed?
>
> a

[insert several real excuses here that nobody but me cares about]

They're not ready yet.  Sorry... :-(  Good news: I have all of the  
permissions now and I'm working on the video!
Chris

-- 
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