From uri at stemsystems.com Tue May 4 15:50:12 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] maid of the mist trip Message-ID: i got maid of the mist info. we are penciled in as a large group for saturday june 19th. there are no reservations but boats (which hold 300) leave every half hour so we can just show up en masse and catch the next boat. they know about our group (called yapc :) and would try to put us all on one boat if possible. so i think we should aim for a noon or so trip. we would gather at ubuffalo or the hotel at 11am and caravan over there (about 30 minutes). we would be ticketed as we go in and they count the heads. we pay afterwards so we need to collect the cash ourselves. price is $10.40/person with 1 comp ticket for every 20 paid (the yapc cabal gets the comps!! :) so all we need to do is let them know a more accurate head count closer to the date and herd the cats to get there and collect money. this should be cash only as dealing with lots of $10 credit card transactions will take forever. i think we are expecting about 250+ yapc attendees so i will guess at least 100 will do this. you will be crazy to go to buffalo and not see the falls and this is one of the best ways to do it. all the tour and boat info is at maidofthemist.com but it is pure flash :( your hard working social director, uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Thu May 6 15:50:07 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] YAPC updates! Message-ID: Things are falling into place for YAPC, so surf over to the YAPC sites when you get a chance. New on the main site is the long-awaited dorm information. http://yapc.org/America New to the ever-changing kwiki are some extra events such as: * a pre-conference meet-up dinner at Sean Patrick's; * an IMAX movie night; * a maid of the mist trip; http://yapc.kwiki.org So if you're making your travel plans, be sure to check the site first to figure out if you want to stay for the weekend. Jim ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 14 13:03:56 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] social event news Message-ID: hello to all yapc::buffalo life forms! here is some news on the various social events and some things for you to do. the harry potter on the imax event is very solid now. jim (who did ALL the work on this event including finding the sponsorship) will be picking up the tickets in the near future. the choices are a 7:00PM or 10:15PM showing. this will be wednesday night june 16, the first day of yapc. we are leaning to the later show so people can have time for dinner and binging :) we will have over 100 tickets to give away. we are debating how to do that but you can bribe us to get tix! maybe donations to tpf? any ideas are welcomed and will be ignored unless acompanied by bribes. if we run out of free tix, you can buy more at the discounted group rate. we need to know if you are planning to attend the arrival dinner. this will be tuesday night, june 15 at 7pm. we need at least 40 to have the buffet set up. check out http://www.spatricks.com/pageDisplay.jsp?pageid=9055 to see the possible menu. we expect it to be around $25 per person plus drinks. also send in your menu choices as we will have to finalize that soonish. we have a 50 person room reserved but we can handle more in the main dining room. we also have to finalize the numbers (or just get really close) by a few days before the dinner. so email in your plans and we can try to keep a running total. anyone want to volunteer to handle this? you can earn a pair of potter tix for this! just maintain a list of names and a count of arrival dinner attendees. the maid of the mist is set and we don't need a perfect head count but it would be nice to know about how many are going. so email in your interest and counts as well. someone (else?) can also maintain this list and count for a pair of tix. there is other amazing tourist stuff to do at niagara falls. a turbine powered boat ride up and down rapids, a sky ride over the whirlpool, walking through tunnels to the back of the falls, etc. anyone want to research some of these and post/kiwki urls and info? the usual 2 tix rule applies. i would like to do the tunnel behind the falls thing. we could do an impromptu expedition there after the maid ride. maybe i will check out their group rate info. as i mentioned on the kwiki, we will be caravaning to all the outside events. so if you will have a car and can take riders, email in how many and which events you will probably be going to. anyone else want to maintain this info for a pair of tix? more regular announcements to come (especially when the usual flurry of late registrations comes in :). you WILL have fun at yapc (or you won't). your yapc socialist czar (oxymoron intended), uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 14 15:50:01 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] yaphack contest Message-ID: i proposed on the kwiki a coding contest but i don't sense any interest. i found that the machack thing was an annual award for projects done in the past year and not a quicky 24 hour contest. so i will remove it from the kwiki unless i sense some interest. any comments or ideas are welcome as well as the usual bribe and silent lurking. back to you cages now, uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From cldwalker at chwhat.com Fri May 14 23:12:00 2004 From: cldwalker at chwhat.com (Gabriel Horner) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] yaphack contest In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040515041200.GA17795@bigmama.chwhat.com> On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 04:50:01PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > projects done in the past year and not a quicky 24 hour contest. so i > will remove it from the kwiki unless i sense some interest. any comments I think it would be fun to do a yaphack. If a 24hr project is or too long term (wouldn't be for me) then we could do quick rounds of 5-15 min. challenges. We could score points by speed, lines of coding, fewest modules used ... Gabriel -- my looovely website -- http://www.chwhat.com BTW, IF chwhat.com goes down email me at gabriel.horner@cern.ch From uri at stemsystems.com Fri May 14 23:36:46 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] yaphack contest In-Reply-To: <20040515041200.GA17795@bigmama.chwhat.com> (Gabriel Horner's message of "Sat, 15 May 2004 00:12:00 -0400") References: <20040515041200.GA17795@bigmama.chwhat.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "GH" == Gabriel Horner writes: GH> On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 04:50:01PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: >> projects done in the past year and not a quicky 24 hour contest. so i >> will remove it from the kwiki unless i sense some interest. any comments GH> I think it would be fun to do a yaphack. If a 24hr project is or GH> too long term (wouldn't be for me) then we could do quick rounds GH> of 5-15 min. challenges. We could score points by speed, lines of GH> coding, fewest modules used ... i was thinking 24 hours was too short and so was 3 days. no way i would want to do a bunch of short contests. the overhead of giving out the problems and judging the results would be too much. 24 sounds like a decent period in that it won't take up the entire conference, you can do some interesting work in 24 hours and it is a nice time period :) but you are the first to express any interest in it. we need at least a few teams of 3-5 hackers for this to be fun IMO. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From andrew at addnorya.com Sat May 15 00:03:51 2004 From: andrew at addnorya.com (Andrew Sweger) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] yaphack contest Message-ID: On Sat, 15 May 2004, Uri Guttman wrote: > [snip...] no way i would want to do a bunch of short contests. the > overhead of giving out the problems and judging the results would be > too much. [...snip] Uri should be having flashbacks of Perl Golf from a few years ago right about now. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From uri at stemsystems.com Sat May 15 00:42:07 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] yaphack contest In-Reply-To: (Andrew Sweger's message of "Fri, 14 May 2004 22:03:51 -0700 (PDT)") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "AS" == Andrew Sweger writes: AS> Uri should be having flashbacks of Perl Golf from a few years ago right AS> about now. damned right i am! :) that is why this contest has no moving parts. we are not supplying anything and so there won't be anything to break (like a stupid protocol called nfs). anyhow if it don't get no support, the secretary will disavow all knowledge of it. i got plenty of other things to do like herding hackers into caravans 3 separate times. 2 potter tix to anyone that wants to be a hacker traffic cop! no takers on any of the jobs so far. i will have to appoint volunteers soon. and i know where you get your email! uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From chris at fedde.littleton.co.us Sat May 15 07:52:18 2004 From: chris at fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] yaphack contest In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200405151252.i4FCqIKB027343@fedde.littleton.co.us> On Sat, 15 May 2004 01:42:07 -0400 Uri Guttman wrote: +------------------ | no takers on any of the jobs so far. i will have to appoint volunteers | soon. and i know where you get your email! +------------------ I'll make myself available for um... crowd control duty. And any other fetchit, gopher duties as needed. I was a cat wrangler in a previous life. -- Chris Fedde From uri at stemsystems.com Mon May 17 00:49:18 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] niagara info Message-ID: a quick google found a useful site: http://niagaraparks.com/ it is a canadian group of niagara park attractions. they sell a ticket pass for $35 CAD/$25 US which gets you into multiple attractions and discounts to a few others. if you are going on the maid of the mist and want to do the walk behind the falls and the aerial car ride, it is a good deal. https://shop.niagaraparks.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=132&PHPSESSID=927f52371e6689cfd3b1b2533eaa51fd here are some of the things this pass covers: http://niagaraparks.com/nfgg/behindthefalls.php http://www.niagaraparks.com/nfgg/whitewater.php http://www.niagaraparks.com/nfgg/aerocar.php i dunno if we can herd enough hackers to actually do more than one of these as a real group. i chose maid of the mist but that is open to change. personally, i will try to do the walk behind the falls for sure. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From zaz at mitre.org Mon May 17 05:45:12 2004 From: zaz at mitre.org (zaz@mitre.org) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] niagara info Message-ID: <850f706c.706c850f@mitre.org> Also, anyone who would want to go to a non-yapc coordinated visit to the falls, let me know, becuase my plane leaves too early on Saturday to attend... (perhaps on June 15th after the dinner get together?) (I got my air plane tickets about two days before the Saturday announcement went out...) Cheers, Zak ----- Original Message ----- From: Uri Guttman Date: Monday, May 17, 2004 1:49 am Subject: [yapc] niagara info > > a quick google found a useful site: > > http://niagaraparks.com/ > > it is a canadian group of niagara park attractions. they sell a ticket > pass for $35 CAD/$25 US which gets you into multiple attractions and > discounts to a few others. if you are going on the maid of the > mist and > want to do the walk behind the falls and the aerial car ride, it > is a > good deal. > > https://shop.niagaraparks.com/product_info.php?cPath=28&products_id=132&PHPSESSID=927f52371e6689cfd3b1b2533eaa51fd > > here are some of the things this pass covers: > > http://niagaraparks.com/nfgg/behindthefalls.php > http://www.niagaraparks.com/nfgg/whitewater.php > http://www.niagaraparks.com/nfgg/aerocar.php > > i dunno if we can herd enough hackers to actually do more than one of > these as a real group. i chose maid of the mist but that is open to > change. personally, i will try to do the walk behind the falls for > sure. > uri > > -- > Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- > http://www.stemsystems.com--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, > Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- > Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- > http://jobs.perl.org_______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From chris at fedde.littleton.co.us Thu May 20 21:00:18 2004 From: chris at fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Dorms for four? Message-ID: <200405210200.i4L20Igr001248@fedde.littleton.co.us> Maybe I'm abusing this list. Is there a way to reserve a dorm room or two adjoining rooms for 4 people? Me, my wife, 7yr old daughter, 12yr old son. If I'm asking in the wrong place, please let me know where I should ask. thanks -- Chris Fedde From yapc at jbisbee.com Sat May 22 11:13:36 2004 From: yapc at jbisbee.com (Jeff Bisbee) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] YAPC List Subscription Update Message-ID: <20040522161336.GB940@jbisbee.com> Sorry for those of you that got warning e-mails about someone trying to resubscribe you to the list. I exported the current YAPC registrants and ran a batch job. I also modified donate.perl.org to auto subscribe registrants to the yapc list. (when I say auto subscribe, you'll get a confirmation e-mail rather than just blindly being subscribed like last year) -- Jeff Bisbee / yapc@jbisbee.com / jbisbee.com From gberriz at hms.harvard.edu Sat May 22 13:58:20 2004 From: gberriz at hms.harvard.edu (Gabriel Berriz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Cancellations/refunds policy for YAPC 2004? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.2.1.1.2.20040522145408.0209d928@email.med.harvard.edu> Hi! What's the cancellations/refunds policy for YAPC 2004? Thanks! Gabriel From tim at consultix-inc.com Sat May 22 16:00:45 2004 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Low attendance? Message-ID: <20040522210045.GA12652@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> By the present time, only 22 people have signed up on the "attendees" list at the Wiki site. Of course that's not a complete list of all who will attend, but with only 3+ weeks left before the event, I had expected to see *many more* names there. If by chance it's true that the actual registrations are unusually low, can somebody in the know please indicate whether it's certain at this time that the conference will really take place? I sure hope so ... TIA, -Tim *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher, CEO (206) 781-UNIX (866) DOC-PERL (866) DOC-UNIX | | tim(AT)Consultix-Inc.Com http://TeachMePerl.Com http://TeachMeUnix.Com | *+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* | UPCOMING CLASSES: "UNIX for Power Users", 6/28-7/1/04, Downtown Seattle | | Watch for my upcoming book: "Minimal Perl for Shell Users & Programmers"| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* From dloliger at buffalo.edu Sat May 22 19:51:10 2004 From: dloliger at buffalo.edu (Loliger, Donna) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Low attendance? Message-ID: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA35134@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Hi Tim - We actually have 118 registrations as of last Thursday and we are definitely having YAPC in Buffalo! This will be an excellent conference! Donna L. Administrative Computing Services University at Buffalo -----Original Message----- From: Tim Maher [mailto:tim@consultix-inc.com] Sent: Saturday, May 22, 2004 5:01 PM To: yapc@mail.pm.org Subject: [yapc] Low attendance? By the present time, only 22 people have signed up on the "attendees" list at the Wiki site. Of course that's not a complete list of all who will attend, but with only 3+ weeks left before the event, I had expected to see *many more* names there. If by chance it's true that the actual registrations are unusually low, can somebody in the know please indicate whether it's certain at this time that the conference will really take place? I sure hope so ... TIA, -Tim *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher, CEO (206) 781-UNIX (866) DOC-PERL (866) DOC-UNIX | | tim(AT)Consultix-Inc.Com http://TeachMePerl.Com http://TeachMeUnix.Com | *+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* | UPCOMING CLASSES: "UNIX for Power Users", 6/28-7/1/04, Downtown Seattle | | Watch for my upcoming book: "Minimal Perl for Shell Users & Programmers"| *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From yapc at jbisbee.com Sat May 22 19:59:47 2004 From: yapc at jbisbee.com (Jeff Bisbee) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Low attendance? In-Reply-To: <20040522210045.GA12652@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> References: <20040522210045.GA12652@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> Message-ID: <20040523005947.GA5756@jbisbee.com> * Tim Maher (tim@consultix-inc.com) wrote: > If by chance it's true that the actual registrations are > unusually low, can somebody in the know please indicate whether > it's certain at this time that the conference will really take place? There are 125 registrants for yapc 2004 on donate.perlfoundation.org (this is not a very accurate # because of people using it to test stolen credit card #s). At any rate 125 sounds better than 22 :) -- Jeff Bisbee / yapc@jbisbee.com / jbisbee.com From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Mon May 24 19:53:49 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Low attendance? In-Reply-To: <20040523005947.GA5756@jbisbee.com> References: <20040522210045.GA12652@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> <20040523005947.GA5756@jbisbee.com> Message-ID: First off, I can say this: there is absolutely *no* chance the conference will be cancelled. We ran several budgets, and we're already well above our "worst case" scenario. Plus sponsors have been quite generous, so we'll have the bases covered. If you want the long version, keep reading... I can give a little more context on current registrations. Since this is the first time I've done this, I also wanted a way to know, as much as possible, how we were doing at various points with regard to registration. I have access to the past registration info, so I made a simple histogram of past registrations over time. Here's some info compared with the last two years: * last year there were 124 people registered by 5/30 and the conference was on the exact same dates. So we are right on track with last year. Final "official" numbers for last year were 161. * two years ago, there were about 119 registered by 5/30, but the conference was 10 days later. So we are a little behind that pace, but the final numbers were higher at 262. The striking thing for me from running these numbers was the number of late registrations. Last year over 40 people registered in the last 2 weeks. Two years ago, 140 people registered in the last month. So for some reason, people seem to procrastinate with their arrangements even when they are planning on coming. If you're one of those people waiting until the last minute, it's almost here! If you're really interested in past trends, here are some open source numbers from past yapc::NA's in *very* basic form: http://yapc.org/America/yapc_reg_2002.html http://yapc.org/America/yapc_reg_2003.html The asterisks are registrations on that day. Jim On May 22, 2004, at 8:59 PM, Jeff Bisbee wrote: > * Tim Maher (tim@consultix-inc.com) wrote: >> If by chance it's true that the actual registrations are >> unusually low, can somebody in the know please indicate whether >> it's certain at this time that the conference will really take place? > > There are 125 registrants for yapc 2004 on donate.perlfoundation.org > (this > is not a very accurate # because of people using it to test stolen > credit > card #s). At any rate 125 sounds better than 22 :) > > -- Jeff Bisbee / yapc@jbisbee.com / jbisbee.com > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Mon May 24 20:05:30 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Cancellations/refunds policy for YAPC 2004? In-Reply-To: <5.2.1.1.2.20040522145408.0209d928@email.med.harvard.edu> References: <5.2.1.1.2.20040522145408.0209d928@email.med.harvard.edu> Message-ID: <9DC0BA38-ADE7-11D8-8D25-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> We need to give numbers for various events and services (such as the dinner) 2 weeks before the conference. Up until 2 weeks before--this year June 2--we can issue a refund if you find out you can't come. Jim On May 22, 2004, at 2:58 PM, Gabriel Berriz wrote: > Hi! > > What's the cancellations/refunds policy for YAPC 2004? > > Thanks! > > Gabriel > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From rGeoffrey at PlatypiVentures.com Tue May 25 22:33:00 2004 From: rGeoffrey at PlatypiVentures.com (R. Geoffrey Avery) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Submit your Lightning Talk today Message-ID: <5.1.0.14.2.20040525231314.047e6ae0@mail.PlatypiVentures.com> There is still time to submit a Lightning Talk for Buffalo. What are Lighting Talks? http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?LightningTalks http://justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/index.shtml Where do I sign up? http://justanotherperlhacker.org/cgi-local/lightning/submit.pl?conference=yapcna2004 When should I do this? Today would be good, but sometime before June 8th. Your Lightning Talk Herder, R. Geoffrey Avery