From alexbeamish at yahoo.com Tue Jun 1 11:56:53 2004 From: alexbeamish at yahoo.com (alex beamish) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? Message-ID: <20040601165653.75538.qmail@web11509.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, Just joined this list, so I don't know if this has been covered before. I didn't see it in an FAQ on the YAPC::NA site. I have an event in Toronto Tuesday night before YAPC. It'll probably break up about 10-1030pm, after which I'll drive to Buffalo for a dorm room. I'm guessing I'll arive about 1am, later than the 'midnight' deadline suggested on the YAPC site. I know at St. Louis two years ago the dorm front desk was staffed 24 hours. I'd like to be able to get into my room, even if I arrive after midnight. What arrangements can I make? Thanks. Alex __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From yapc at jbisbee.com Tue Jun 1 12:12:34 2004 From: yapc at jbisbee.com (Jeff Bisbee) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? In-Reply-To: <20040601165653.75538.qmail@web11509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601165653.75538.qmail@web11509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20040601171234.GA4880@jbisbee.com> * alex beamish (alexbeamish@yahoo.com) wrote: > I'd like to be able to get into my room, even if I > arrive after midnight. What arrangements can I make? > Thanks. Last year we just had someone volunteer to hand out room keys to the late commers. (I'm pretty sure that Kevin Meltzer did this @ FAU). It doesn't have to be one of the organizers either. If someone who is staying in the dorms could volunteer to make sure that late comers get their room keys, I'm sure the conference organizers would appreciate it (one less thing to worry about) -- Jeff Bisbee / yapc@jbisbee.com / jbisbee.com From chip at pobox.com Tue Jun 1 12:15:58 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Looking for response re: registration chargeback Message-ID: <20040601171558.GC6829@perlsupport.com> I overbooked and I need to unbook. No one has answered my mail to kurt@thepope.org. Help? -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 1 23:00:51 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] social event rsvp's Message-ID: hi all, we have about 150 registrants for yapc and most/all should be on this list. and i have received maybe 3 rsvp's for the social events. so this is a polite kick to remind you to reserve your seat at the arrival dinner and also for the maid of the mist on saturday. the maid trip is a looser thing with no firm commitment but we do have a committment for the restaurant. so reply to the list (NOT TO ME) and let's get some proper head counts. public rsvp's will encourage others to do so :). the arrival dinner has become a fun event where many perl hackers meet those they have only known on line or get back with old friends. so make plans for this now and rsvp. it is open to friends and family as well (as are all the social events). don't make me come over to your house and force you to rsvp!! uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From rcaputo at pobox.com Wed Jun 2 00:40:55 2004 From: rcaputo at pobox.com (Rocco Caputo) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] social event rsvp's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040602054055.GI78244@eyrie.homenet> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:00:51AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > > we have about 150 registrants for yapc and most/all should be on this > list. and i have received maybe 3 rsvp's for the social events. so this > is a polite kick to remind you to reserve your seat at the arrival > dinner and also for the maid of the mist on saturday. the maid trip is a > looser thing with no firm commitment but we do have a committment for > the restaurant. I'm representing three attendees, including myself. Consider us RdSVP for the arrival dinner and MotM tour, should it happen. We hope it does. What's the point of traveling only 99% of the way to Niagra Falls? http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?ArrivalDinner has about 20 people so I've put us there, too, for completeness' sake. -- Rocco Caputo / http://poe.perl.org/ From uri at stemsystems.com Wed Jun 2 00:51:36 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] rsvp on kwiki Message-ID: well, i didn't notice the kwiki was being used for rsvp's so let's go with that. just add your names to the end of the list. we have 19 so far which is good. we need a minimum of 40 and we will get that for sure. http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?ArrivalDinner i also updated it with the time and the menu choices so vote for your favorite victuals there. also remember to rsvp for the maid of the mist trip http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?MaidOfTheMist uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Wed Jun 2 01:00:19 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] social event rsvp's In-Reply-To: <20040602054055.GI78244@eyrie.homenet> (Rocco Caputo's message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2004 01:40:55 -0400") References: <20040602054055.GI78244@eyrie.homenet> Message-ID: >>>>> "RC" == Rocco Caputo writes: RC> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:00:51AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: >> >> we have about 150 registrants for yapc and most/all should be on this >> list. and i have received maybe 3 rsvp's for the social events. so this >> is a polite kick to remind you to reserve your seat at the arrival >> dinner and also for the maid of the mist on saturday. the maid trip is a >> looser thing with no firm commitment but we do have a committment for >> the restaurant. RC> I'm representing three attendees, including myself. Consider us RdSVP RC> for the arrival dinner and MotM tour, should it happen. We hope it RC> does. What's the point of traveling only 99% of the way to Niagra RC> Falls? RC> http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?ArrivalDinner has about 20 people so RC> I've put us there, too, for completeness' sake. i saw that. add yourself to the MotM trip rsvp list as well. and pick out menu choices for dinner. all fresh kwiki for your enjoyment. hey, i actually helped an intern (junior from cornell who knows no unix nor perl, just java on winblows. ewwww!) get kwiki running on apache and cygwin. took a little while to find the shebang problem. if it passes the muster we could be using it in-house. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From dha at panix.com Wed Jun 2 09:48:32 2004 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] social event rsvp's In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040602144832.GB21926@panix.com> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 12:00:51AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > > hi all, > > we have about 150 registrants for yapc and most/all should be on this > list. and i have received maybe 3 rsvp's for the social events. so this > is a polite kick to remind you to reserve your seat at the arrival > dinner and also for the maid of the mist on saturday. the maid trip is a > looser thing with no firm commitment but we do have a committment for > the restaurant. > > so reply to the list (NOT TO ME) and let's get some proper head > counts. public rsvp's will encourage others to do so :). Rather than tossing a zillion messages saying "Ooh! Me too!" into every mailbox subscribed to the list, perhaps signing up on the wiki would be a better idea? dha P. S. "Ooh! Me too! I eat dinner!" :-) -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ We thought we were the best thing since sliced nuclear energy... We were Captain Beefheart meets the Archies. - Andy Partridge From bbenedetto at goodyear.com Wed Jun 2 11:13:39 2004 From: bbenedetto at goodyear.com (Bill Benedetto) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] Tuesday, June 15th Message-ID: Good day. I'll be coming into Buffalo Monday evening late. On Tuesday I'm willing to help set things up or move stuff around as the need arises -- whatever is needed to get the conference all set up. I just don't know who to contact. So if help is needed just let me know when to show up and where to be. Thanks! - Bill Benedetto From uri at stemsystems.com Wed Jun 2 18:10:53 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:44 2004 Subject: [yapc] rsvp on kwiki In-Reply-To: <200462114129.550417@crc3> (James E Keenan's message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2004 11:41:29 -0400") References: <200462114129.550417@crc3> Message-ID: >>>>> "JEK" == James E Keenan writes: JEK> At ny.pm last night, dha and I discussed the importance of a JEK> pilgrimage to the Anchor Bar, reputed home of the original JEK> Buffalo wings and a place I remember from my college days in JEK> Buffalo several, um ..., years ago. What would be the best point JEK> on the social calendar to organize an expedition to this culinary JEK> temple? well, wed night is harry potter on the imax so maybe after that would be a good time. we don't have a movie time slot set yet but i would wager we would be out before the bar closes. i would be into it. call it the wings bof. :) if we get a proper time and place (url?) put it on the social events (which i should move to another page already). we will also be having wings at the arrival dinner. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Wed Jun 2 19:37:09 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: References: <200462114129.550417@crc3> Message-ID: <25823EAE-B4F6-11D8-B4FF-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> On Jun 2, 2004, at 7:10 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: > well, wed night is harry potter on the imax so maybe after that would > be > a good time. we don't have a movie time slot set yet but i would wager > we would be out before the bar closes. i would be into it. call it the > wings bof. :) if we get a proper time and place (url?) put it on the > social events (which i should move to another page already). I agree that a trip to the anchor bar would be in order and Wednesday would be a good night. Right now, the choices for the movie are 7PM or 10:15PM. We end the day at 5:30, so I don't think 7 is reasonable if people want to eat. I personally don't want to sit in a 3 hour movie with no dinner. So assuming I get the tickets for 10:15, there will be plenty of time to take a trip down to the anchor bar. I can help people with directions there, and from there to the IMAX theater. For that matter, there is a place downtown called Pearl Street that has good food and beer. OK, it's not perl street, but close enough. http://www.pearlstreetgrill.com/ Maybe we can start a page on the kwiki for places to eat on Wednesday night. There are quite a few good places in Buffalo. Jim ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From mark.e.clark at verizon.net Wed Jun 2 20:16:18 2004 From: mark.e.clark at verizon.net (Mark Clark) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] IMAX movie Message-ID: <1086225378.1692.1.camel@beagle3.locus.bogus> Does the movie need to be paid for separately and can I bring a guest? I've read the YAPC pages and need to clarify this. Thanks! -- Mark Clark From uri at stemsystems.com Wed Jun 2 22:05:11 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <25823EAE-B4F6-11D8-B4FF-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> (Jim Brandt's message of "Wed, 2 Jun 2004 20:37:09 -0400") References: <200462114129.550417@crc3> <25823EAE-B4F6-11D8-B4FF-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> Message-ID: >>>>> "JB" == Jim Brandt writes: JB> On Jun 2, 2004, at 7:10 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: >> well, wed night is harry potter on the imax so maybe after that >> would be a good time. we don't have a movie time slot set yet but i >> would wager we would be out before the bar closes. i would be into >> it. call it the wings bof. :) if we get a proper time and place >> (url?) put it on the social events (which i should move to another >> page already). JB> I agree that a trip to the anchor bar would be in order and Wednesday JB> would be a good night. Right now, the choices for the movie are 7PM or JB> 10:15PM. We end the day at 5:30, so I don't think 7 is reasonable if JB> people want to eat. I personally don't want to sit in a 3 hour movie JB> with no dinner. JB> So assuming I get the tickets for 10:15, there will be plenty of time JB> to take a trip down to the anchor bar. I can help people with JB> directions there, and from there to the IMAX theater. that sounds like the way to go. so i will put the 10:15 time on the kwiki (i am doing a bunch of edits now) and i will mention an anchor bar trip. should someone call them and warn them? when i visited a gf in buffalo in 1977, i recall a trip to a place that had wings (and they weren't discovered yet by the rest of the country) so i may have been there. JB> For that matter, there is a place downtown called Pearl Street that JB> has good food and beer. OK, it's not perl street, but close enough. JB> http://www.pearlstreetgrill.com/ JB> Maybe we can start a page on the kwiki for places to eat on Wednesday JB> night. There are quite a few good places in Buffalo. go for it. and jim keenan could start the anchor bar page if he wants. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Wed Jun 2 22:11:55 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] IMAX movie In-Reply-To: <1086225378.1692.1.camel@beagle3.locus.bogus> (Mark Clark's message of "Wed, 02 Jun 2004 21:16:18 -0400") References: <1086225378.1692.1.camel@beagle3.locus.bogus> Message-ID: >>>>> "MC" == Mark Clark writes: MC> Does the movie need to be paid for separately and can I bring a MC> guest? I've read the YAPC pages and need to clarify this. o'reilly has bought 125 tickets for harry potter on imax. we (the cabal!) will be giving them out in whatever way we choose. :) most will be given out in pairs so if you can scam a pair you are set. i am open to bribes as i keep saying but not one offer has come my way yet. and we could contact the theater and hold more seats if we need them but they would need to be bought with cash but at the discount rate of $8 IIRC. sometime on wednesday we will figure out if we need more seats. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From chris at fedde.littleton.co.us Wed Jun 2 22:29:18 2004 From: chris at fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200406030329.i533TIoP081903@fedde.littleton.co.us> 10:15 movie time + 3 hours run length == 1:15 Thursday morning. Commute time of say 45 minutes with all the re-coordinating &c 2:00 arrival time at the bar. What time do resturaunts close in Buffalo? Two hours noshing 4:00 another 30 minutes or so return trip. 4:30. Maybe I'm just an old man, but I'm not going to be able to keep up with that. On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 23:05:11 -0400 Uri Guttman wrote: +------------------ | >>>>> "JB" == Jim Brandt writes: | | JB> On Jun 2, 2004, at 7:10 PM, Uri Guttman wrote: | | >> well, wed night is harry potter on the imax so maybe after that | >> would be a good time. we don't have a movie time slot set yet but i | >> would wager we would be out before the bar closes. i would be into | >> it. call it the wings bof. :) if we get a proper time and place | >> (url?) put it on the social events (which i should move to another | >> page already). | | JB> I agree that a trip to the anchor bar would be in order and Wednesday | JB> would be a good night. Right now, the choices for the movie are 7PM or | JB> 10:15PM. We end the day at 5:30, so I don't think 7 is reasonable if | JB> people want to eat. I personally don't want to sit in a 3 hour movie | JB> with no dinner. | | JB> So assuming I get the tickets for 10:15, there will be plenty of time | JB> to take a trip down to the anchor bar. I can help people with | JB> directions there, and from there to the IMAX theater. | | that sounds like the way to go. so i will put the 10:15 time on the kwiki | (i am doing a bunch of edits now) and i will mention an anchor bar | trip. should someone call them and warn them? | | when i visited a gf in buffalo in 1977, i recall a trip to a place that | had wings (and they weren't discovered yet by the rest of the country) | so i may have been there. | | JB> For that matter, there is a place downtown called Pearl Street that | JB> has good food and beer. OK, it's not perl street, but close enough. | | JB> http://www.pearlstreetgrill.com/ | | JB> Maybe we can start a page on the kwiki for places to eat on Wednesday | JB> night. There are quite a few good places in Buffalo. | | go for it. and jim keenan could start the anchor bar page if he wants. | | uri | | -- | Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.co m | --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding - | Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.or g | _______________________________________________ | yapc mailing list | yapc@mail.pm.org | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc +------------------ -- Chris Fedde 303 773 9134 From wlkngowl at i-2000.com Wed Jun 2 22:53:48 2004 From: wlkngowl at i-2000.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <200406030329.i533TIoP081903@fedde.littleton.co.us> References: <200406030329.i533TIoP081903@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: <40BEA0CC.9070907@i-2000.com> On 6/2/2004 11:29 PM Chris Fedde wrote: > 10:15 movie time + 3 hours run length == 1:15 Thursday morning. > Commute time of say 45 minutes with all the re-coordinating &c > 2:00 arrival time at the bar. > > What time do resturaunts close in Buffalo? For Niagara County (where I assume Buffalo is) bars must stop serving by 2am. See http://abc.state.ny.us/JSP/content/county_closings.jsp#niagara From waltman at pobox.com Wed Jun 2 22:59:17 2004 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <200406030329.i533TIoP081903@fedde.littleton.co.us> References: <200406030329.i533TIoP081903@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: <20040603035917.GD4059@waltman.dnsalias.org> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:29:18PM -0600, Chris Fedde wrote: > > 10:15 movie time + 3 hours run length == 1:15 Thursday morning. > Commute time of say 45 minutes with all the re-coordinating &c > 2:00 arrival time at the bar. > > What time do resturaunts close in Buffalo? > > Two hours noshing 4:00 > another 30 minutes or so return trip. > 4:30. > > Maybe I'm just an old man, but I'm not going to be able to keep up with that. A few notes: * I believe the consensus was to eat *before* the 10:15 show, not after. * IMDB lists the running time as 136 minutes. I'd figure on around 2 1/2 hours by the time they show trailers and such. So it'll be over sometime around 12:30-12:45. Walt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20040602/f8541f29/attachment.bin From uri at stemsystems.com Wed Jun 2 23:21:21 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] social event updates Message-ID: i just did a mess of edits (kwiki needs a lock mechanism as i seemed to have had pages modified while editing but i didn't see any changes but mine) so check out the yapc.kwiki.org site. there is a final deadline for the arrival dinner so rsvp and make your menu choices before tuesday june 8. i have cleared up the menu selections and made the voting clearer. just bump the (\d+) after the items you would like. stragglers are welcome (but they have to pay) as there will be plenty of food or they can order from the menu. we currently have 36 rsvp's which is great as we need a minimum of 40 i added an anchor bar trip page for wed night before the potter flick. the potter show will be at 10:15 so we have time for dinner (a 7pm show would make it tricky since the conference day ends at 5:30). see ya there, uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From chris at fedde.littleton.co.us Wed Jun 2 23:42:03 2004 From: chris at fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <20040603035917.GD4059@waltman.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> Maybe I'm just funny this way. But if I'm going to the place where they invented buffalo wings I'd probably want to order buffalo wings when I got there. And I'd probably want to get there when I could have buffalo wings. On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:59:17 -0400 Walt Mankowski wrote: +------------------ | | --===============0896592297== | Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; | protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY" | Content-Disposition: inline | | | --Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | Content-Disposition: inline | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | | On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:29:18PM -0600, Chris Fedde wrote: | >=20 | > 10:15 movie time + 3 hours run length =3D=3D 1:15 Thursday morning. | > Commute time of say 45 minutes with all the re-coordinating &c | > 2:00 arrival time at the bar. =20 | >=20 | > What time do resturaunts close in Buffalo? | >=20 | > Two hours noshing 4:00 | > another 30 minutes or so return trip. | > 4:30. | >=20 | > Maybe I'm just an old man, but I'm not going to be able to keep up with t= | hat. | | A few notes: | | * I believe the consensus was to eat *before* the 10:15 show, not | after. | | * IMDB lists the running time as 136 minutes. I'd figure on around 2 | 1/2 hours by the time they show trailers and such. So it'll be over | sometime around 12:30-12:45. | | Walt | | --Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY | Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" | Content-Description: Digital signature | Content-Disposition: inline | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- | Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) | | iD8DBQFAvqIVXfGeK2entYQRAq07AKDHTAzdGSK0QAj7nPAgO48LG8c0HQCbBe23 | CJns83dxg48CtcAyeYEi8n4= | =s3RI | -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | | --Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY-- | | --===============0896592297== | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" | MIME-Version: 1.0 | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | Content-Disposition: inline | | _______________________________________________ | yapc mailing list | yapc@mail.pm.org | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc | | --===============0896592297==-- +------------------ -- Chris Fedde 303 773 9134 From chris at fedde.littleton.co.us Thu Jun 3 00:01:52 2004 From: chris at fedde.littleton.co.us (Chris Fedde) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: <200406030501.i5351qIe084618@fedde.littleton.co.us> Uri just pointed out on irc what an idiot I am. You will all obviously agree with him. I guess this is just my way of saying I'm sorry. Please forgive me. On Wed, 02 Jun 2004 22:42:03 -0600 Chris Fedde wrote: +------------------ | Maybe I'm just funny this way. But if I'm going to the place where | they invented buffalo wings I'd probably want to order buffalo wings | when I got there. And I'd probably want to get there when I could | have buffalo wings. | | On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 23:59:17 -0400 Walt Mankowski wrote: | +------------------ | | | | --===============0896592297== | | Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; | | protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY" | | Content-Disposition: inline | | | | | | --Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY | | Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii | | Content-Disposition: inline | | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable | | | | On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 09:29:18PM -0600, Chris Fedde wrote: | | >=20 | | > 10:15 movie time + 3 hours run length =3D=3D 1:15 Thursday morning. | | > Commute time of say 45 minutes with all the re-coordinating &c | | > 2:00 arrival time at the bar. =20 | | >=20 | | > What time do resturaunts close in Buffalo? | | >=20 | | > Two hours noshing 4:00 | | > another 30 minutes or so return trip. | | > 4:30. | | >=20 | | > Maybe I'm just an old man, but I'm not going to be able to keep up with t= | | hat. | | | | A few notes: | | | | * I believe the consensus was to eat *before* the 10:15 show, not | | after. | | | | * IMDB lists the running time as 136 minutes. I'd figure on around 2 | | 1/2 hours by the time they show trailers and such. So it'll be over | | sometime around 12:30-12:45. | | | | Walt | | | | --Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY | | Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" | | Content-Description: Digital signature | | Content-Disposition: inline | | | | -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- | | Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) | | | | iD8DBQFAvqIVXfGeK2entYQRAq07AKDHTAzdGSK0QAj7nPAgO48LG8c0HQCbBe23 | | CJns83dxg48CtcAyeYEi8n4= | | =s3RI | | -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- | | | | --Bu8it7iiRSEf40bY-- | | | | --===============0896592297== | | Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" | | MIME-Version: 1.0 | | Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit | | Content-Disposition: inline | | | | _______________________________________________ | | yapc mailing list | | yapc@mail.pm.org | | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc | | | | --===============0896592297==-- | +------------------ | | -- | Chris Fedde | 303 773 9134 | _______________________________________________ | yapc mailing list | yapc@mail.pm.org | http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc +------------------ -- Chris Fedde 303 773 9134 From dha at panix.com Thu Jun 3 02:23:57 2004 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <200406030501.i5351qIe084618@fedde.littleton.co.us> References: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> <200406030501.i5351qIe084618@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: <20040603072357.GD2776@panix.com> On Wed, Jun 02, 2004 at 11:01:52PM -0600, Chris Fedde wrote: > Uri just pointed out on irc what an idiot I am. You will all obviously agree > with him. > > I guess this is just my way of saying I'm sorry. Please forgive me. Never! Well, maybe if you feed us some wings. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ All right! So I'm the daughter of poison gas! - Sybil Crane, The Big Bus From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Thu Jun 3 06:57:14 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Bar hours for YAPC In-Reply-To: <40BEA0CC.9070907@i-2000.com> References: <200406030329.i533TIoP081903@fedde.littleton.co.us> <40BEA0CC.9070907@i-2000.com> Message-ID: <2792DF86-B555-11D8-B03F-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> Actually Buffalo is in Erie County, so we officially have until 4AM. Very cool link, BTW. In practice, on weekdays many bars don't stay open that late (unless they have a crowd). http://abc.state.ny.us/JSP/content/county_closings.jsp#erie For reference, the weekend usually starts on Thursday for the bars, so folks will be OK Thurs, Fri, Sat if they want to stay out really late (or early). I'm with Chris; I'm too much of an old man to pull that all night stuff any more :) Jim On Jun 2, 2004, at 11:53 PM, Robert Rothenberg wrote: > > > On 6/2/2004 11:29 PM Chris Fedde wrote: >> 10:15 movie time + 3 hours run length == 1:15 Thursday morning. >> Commute time of say 45 minutes with all the re-coordinating &c >> 2:00 arrival time at the bar. What time do resturaunts close in >> Buffalo? > > For Niagara County (where I assume Buffalo is) bars must stop serving > by 2am. > See http://abc.state.ny.us/JSP/content/county_closings.jsp#niagara > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From lisa at panix.com Thu Jun 3 07:30:49 2004 From: lisa at panix.com (Lisa Wolfisch) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> References: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: Hi, Please, don't ever order "buffalo wings" in Buffalo. It's wings, just wings. ;-) --lisa On Wed, 2 Jun 2004, Chris Fedde wrote: > Maybe I'm just funny this way. But if I'm going to the place where > they invented buffalo wings I'd probably want to order buffalo wings From waltman at pobox.com Thu Jun 3 11:56:04 2004 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: References: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> Message-ID: <20040603165604.GH4059@waltman.dnsalias.org> On Thu, Jun 03, 2004 at 08:30:49AM -0400, Lisa Wolfisch wrote: > Please, don't ever order "buffalo wings" in Buffalo. > > It's wings, just wings. It's like ordering a "Philly Cheesesteak" in Philadelphia. I mean, *maybe* you'd have to do that in a chain like Subway, but why would anyone eat at a Subway in Philly in the first place? :) W -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I mean, > *maybe* you'd have to do that in a chain like Subway, but why would > anyone eat at a Subway in Philly in the first place? :) Yeah, and I hear people refer to a "new york minute" but we just call them "minutes". :-) dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ "Life is so hard, you know that sometimes it seems the good guys only win, when the bad guys leave." - The Jim Basnight Thing From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Jun 3 14:22:47 2004 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <20040603171702.GA8645@panix.com> References: <200406030442.i534g3uj084049@fedde.littleton.co.us> <20040603165604.GH4059@waltman.dnsalias.org> <20040603171702.GA8645@panix.com> Message-ID: <86pt8gwins.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "David" == David H Adler writes: David> Yeah, and I hear people refer to a "new york minute" but we just call David> them "minutes". :-) And all that talk of "Oregon Rain". We just call it "Oregon". -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From jgorman at buffalo.edu Thu Jun 3 14:33:24 2004 From: jgorman at buffalo.edu (Gorman, James) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night Message-ID: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CD15EB7@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> similarly, we just call them "wings". ============================================== Jim Gorman - IT Manager Administrative Computing Services University at Buffalo P: (716) 645-3587 x7016 F: (716) 645-3588 jgorman@buffalo.edu -----Original Message----- From: merlyn@stonehenge.com [mailto:merlyn@stonehenge.com] Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2004 3:23 PM To: David H. Adler Cc: yapc@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night >>>>> "David" == David H Adler writes: David> Yeah, and I hear people refer to a "new york minute" but we just call David> them "minutes". :-) And all that talk of "Oregon Rain". We just call it "Oregon". -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From merlyn at stonehenge.com Thu Jun 3 14:35:52 2004 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Anchor bar night In-Reply-To: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CD15EB7@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> References: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CD15EB7@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <86k6yowi1z.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Gorman," == Gorman, James writes: Gorman,> similarly, we just call them "wings". You call Oregon "Wings"? That's odd. Oh, it's you Jim. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From ikeith at earthlink.net Fri Jun 4 08:35:26 2004 From: ikeith at earthlink.net (keith tarbell) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Anchor bar/iMAX Message-ID: <26624322.1086356126366.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> I'm a local WNYer, so here's some things to consider: Your most direct route between the Anchor bar and the iMAX is Rt.33 (Kensington Expressway), about 20-30 minute drive under the best of circumstances. The police like to set up sobriety checkpoints from time to time, so make sure you have your DD. A local joke is Buffalo has two seasons, winter and construction. I believe work is in progress on the outbound side of Rt.33 (Anchor bar -> iMAX direction) and it happens at night, so detours may increase your travel time considerably. Have fun! My son is seeing HP tonight. I am also too old for the night-life and will most likely be snoring on the couch with a good tech manual for a blanket :) From jkeen at verizon.net Fri Jun 4 17:08:54 2004 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James E Keenan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Anchor bar/iMAX In-Reply-To: <26624322.1086356126366.JavaMail.root@ernie.psp.pas.earthlink.net> Message-ID: <20046418854.710160@crc3> On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 09:35:26 -0400 (GMT-04:00), keith tarbell wrote: > I'm a local WNYer, so here's some things to consider: > > > Your most direct route between the Anchor bar and the iMAX is Rt.33 > (Kensington Expressway), about 20-30 minute drive under the best of > circumstances. > > I've put those directions on the kwiki: http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?AnchorBar. It should be noted that if you want to see a bit of the city of Buffalo, including the SUNY/Buffalo South Campus, you could also drive down Millersport Highway to Bailey Avenue to Main St to the Anchor Bar. Jim Keenan (Yellow Cab driver in Buffalo, class of '73) From jduncan at fotango.com Sat Jun 5 05:56:01 2004 From: jduncan at fotango.com (James A.Duncan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] England Vs. Switzerland Message-ID: So I have a little problem with the scheduling of YAPC::America this year in so much as it is that taking place at the same time as Euro 2004 Football (sorry, soccer) championships :-). The game in question (England vs. Switzerland) kicks off at about midday on the Thursday, and I really need to find somewhere I can watch it. Is there anywhere anybody on this list is familiar with that might be showing the match? Regards, James (who still needs to find somewhere to watch England vs. France whilst in New York four days earlier :) -- James A. Duncan Chief Scientist, Fotango From uri at stemsystems.com Sat Jun 5 10:44:16 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] England Vs. Switzerland In-Reply-To: ("James A.Duncan"'s message of "Sat, 5 Jun 2004 11:56:01 +0100") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "JAD" == James A Duncan writes: JAD> The game in question (England vs. Switzerland) kicks off at about JAD> midday on the Thursday, and I really need to find somewhere I can JAD> watch it. Is there anywhere anybody on this list is familiar with JAD> that might be showing the match? JAD> Regards, JAD> James (who still needs to find somewhere to watch England vs. France JAD> whilst in New York four days earlier :) google for sports bars in nyc and buffalo. there are enough football^Wsoccer fans around (many non-merkin types) that some bars are known for having soccer on their tellys. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From wnodom at tmtowtdi.com Sat Jun 5 15:29:37 2004 From: wnodom at tmtowtdi.com (Bill Odom) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Alternate accommodations? Message-ID: <3009.24.217.151.91.1086467377.squirrel@24.217.151.91> Hi all. University Inn tells me that they can't find my original online reservation, and that all rooms (conference rate or otherwise) are now booked for arrivals on the 15th. Is there another recommended hotel, preferably very nearby? Thanks, Bill From indy at indigostar.com Sat Jun 5 15:47:29 2004 From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Alternate accommodations? References: <3009.24.217.151.91.1086467377.squirrel@24.217.151.91> Message-ID: <00ca01c44b3e$518b0f60$6400a8c0@indigostar.com> Try the following. I am not a local but I have been told that it is nearby. Hampton Inn Buffalo/Amherst (716) 689-4414 $68 Indoor Pool, free wireless http://www.hamptoninnbuffaloamherst.com 10 Flint Road Amherst, New York 14226 Indy Singh IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Odom" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: [yapc] Alternate accommodations? > Hi all. > > University Inn tells me that they can't find my original online > reservation, and that all rooms (conference rate or otherwise) are now > booked for arrivals on the 15th. > > Is there another recommended hotel, preferably very nearby? > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From indy at indigostar.com Sat Jun 5 15:49:21 2004 From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Alternate accommodations? References: <3009.24.217.151.91.1086467377.squirrel@24.217.151.91> Message-ID: <000601c44b3f$43023ee0$6400a8c0@indigostar.com> P.S. I think that mentioning that you are attending a conference at the University will get you a discount. Indy Singh IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Odom" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 4:29 PM Subject: [yapc] Alternate accommodations? > Hi all. > > University Inn tells me that they can't find my original online > reservation, and that all rooms (conference rate or otherwise) are now > booked for arrivals on the 15th. > > Is there another recommended hotel, preferably very nearby? > > Thanks, > Bill > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From David_Robins at hilton.com Sat Jun 5 16:33:15 2004 From: David_Robins at hilton.com (David Robins) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Alternate accommodations? 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Roasted breast of turkey Herb-Roasted Chicken Top Round of Beef Boneless Chicken Breast portofino style (red wine, artichokes, mushrooms) is trailing by a nose. where are the Swedish Meatballs lovers? come out of your closets! french vanilla ice cream with chocolate sauce. (a buncha chocoholics stuffed the ballot box IMNSHO). looking forward to it, uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From moylek at mcmaster.ca Mon Jun 7 07:03:26 2004 From: moylek at mcmaster.ca (Kenneth Moyle) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? Message-ID: My name no longer appears on http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees. Should I take a hint? Or should I just re-add myself? Most worrisome: I don't see my name of the dorm list. I note that my name still appears in the chnage log: http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?RecentChanges Need I be concerned? Regards, Ken Moyle Kenneth C. Moyle -> Analyst, Research & High-Performance Computing Support -> moylek@mcmaster.ca - (905) 525-9140 X26872 -> http://newman.mcmaster.ca/~moylek McMaster University - Hamilton, Ontario (Canada) From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 7 07:38:54 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? In-Reply-To: <20040601165653.75538.qmail@web11509.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20040601165653.75538.qmail@web11509.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As far as I know, Alex is still looking for a kind soul who is also a night owl staying in the dorms. We had quite a few new dorm denizens added last week, so would any of the new dorm people be willing to get Alex's key? Thanks, Jim On Jun 1, 2004, at 12:56 PM, alex beamish wrote: > Hi, > > Just joined this list, so I don't know if this has > been covered before. I didn't see it in an FAQ on the > YAPC::NA site. > > I have an event in Toronto Tuesday night before YAPC. > It'll probably break up about 10-1030pm, after which > I'll drive to Buffalo for a dorm room. I'm guessing > I'll arive about 1am, later than the 'midnight' > deadline suggested on the YAPC site. I know at St. > Louis two years ago the dorm front desk was staffed 24 > hours. > > I'd like to be able to get into my room, even if I > arrive after midnight. What arrangements can I make? > Thanks. > > Alex > ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From Todd.Chapman at gedas.com Mon Jun 7 08:15:46 2004 From: Todd.Chapman at gedas.com (Chapman, Todd) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? Message-ID: <0FBBDCE1D6F6DF49841621D706B7DE3106E3F98D@usvwoaahn01.abh.vw.com> I also don't appear on the list of attendees or dorm rooms. -Todd Chapman -----Original Message----- From: yapc-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:yapc-bounces@mail.pm.org]On Behalf Of Kenneth Moyle Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:03 AM To: yapc@mail.pm.org Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? My name no longer appears on http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees. Should I take a hint? Or should I just re-add myself? Most worrisome: I don't see my name of the dorm list. I note that my name still appears in the chnage log: http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?RecentChanges Need I be concerned? Regards, Ken Moyle Kenneth C. Moyle -> Analyst, Research & High-Performance Computing Support -> moylek@mcmaster.ca - (905) 525-9140 X26872 -> http://newman.mcmaster.ca/~moylek McMaster University - Hamilton, Ontario (Canada) _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 7 09:32:19 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? In-Reply-To: <0FBBDCE1D6F6DF49841621D706B7DE3106E3F98D@usvwoaahn01.abh.vw.com> ("Chapman, Todd"'s message of "Mon, 7 Jun 2004 09:15:46 -0400") References: <0FBBDCE1D6F6DF49841621D706B7DE3106E3F98D@usvwoaahn01.abh.vw.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "CT" == Chapman, Todd writes: CT> I also don't appear on the list of attendees or dorm rooms. CT> -Todd Chapman CT> -----Original Message----- CT> From: yapc-bounces@mail.pm.org [mailto:yapc-bounces@mail.pm.org]On CT> Behalf Of Kenneth Moyle CT> Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:03 AM CT> To: yapc@mail.pm.org CT> My name no longer appears on CT> http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees. Should I take a hint? Or CT> should I just re-add myself? Most worrisome: I don't see my name of CT> the dorm list. I note that my name still appears in the chnage log: CT> http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?RecentChanges CT> Need I be concerned? you are not wanted at yapc! :) actually i have no clue. maybe someone did a bad edit when adding their names. just edit the pages and add yourself in again. i have had some minor issues with this kwiki as it doesn't lock pages so i have been doing smaller edits and i save often (i get the 'someone else has edited the page before you' error). uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From daniel at coder.com Mon Jun 7 09:24:02 2004 From: daniel at coder.com (Daniel R. Allen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? Message-ID: Jim, If you can confirm that I was able to successfully sign up for a dorm-room (see our conversation last Thursday), I'd be happy to hold Alex's key till he shows up. -Daniel -- http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers - da@kw.pm.org http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 7 09:50:07 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] anchor bar Message-ID: i have spoken to the manager of the anchor bar. we could get a room or section but they want a $150 deposit which i don't have at the moment and we don't have a confirmed group size. we could just walk in en masse and he said that would be ok. if someone wants to help out here, go for it. we would need the usual signups on the kwiki page. i am ok if we just march in though. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From alexbeamish at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 09:53:19 2004 From: alexbeamish at yahoo.com (alex beamish) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040607145319.25099.qmail@web52604.mail.yahoo.com> Hi Daniel, Thanks, I've also sent a message to Tom Legrady at Perl Monks .. so it looks like one way or another I'll be able to get my dorm key, thanks! So it looks like the intersection of (Toronto or K/W) and (staying at dorms for YAPC) has more than two members. Great. *And* I get to see Harry Potter III with a hundred other geeks, after eating real wings (apparently if you're in Buffalo, you *don't* call them 'Buffalo Wings'). I guess that makes their wings the base class for all other wings. Or maybe .. Alex aka talexb --- "Daniel R. Allen" wrote: > Jim, > > If you can confirm that I was able to successfully > sign up for a dorm-room > (see our conversation last Thursday), I'd be happy > to hold Alex's key till > he shows up. -Daniel > > -- > http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers > - da@kw.pm.org > http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) > 575-3733 da@coder.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From jduncan at fotango.com Mon Jun 7 09:55:35 2004 From: jduncan at fotango.com (James A. Duncan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] England Vs. Switzerland In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 5 Jun 2004, at 16:44, Uri Guttman wrote: >>>>>> "JAD" == James A Duncan writes: > > JAD> The game in question (England vs. Switzerland) kicks off at > about > JAD> midday on the Thursday, and I really need to find somewhere I > can > JAD> watch it. Is there anywhere anybody on this list is familiar > with > JAD> that might be showing the match? > google for sports bars in nyc and buffalo. there are enough > football^Wsoccer fans around (many non-merkin types) that some bars are > known for having soccer on their tellys. Hmm, this is looking tricky, my talk ends at 11:40 and the nearest place that I can find showing the game is in Canada. I'm guessing that I won't be able to make the 38 miles to St. Catherines in 20 minutes :) This is seriously bad news :-( James. From alexbeamish at yahoo.com Mon Jun 7 10:14:21 2004 From: alexbeamish at yahoo.com (alex beamish) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] anchor bar In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040607151421.34054.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Uri, Unless someone already in Buffalo has the spare samoleans, I think our best approach is to warn the manager of our impending arrival (which you've already done) and just march in on the day and start ordering beer and eating wings. If he's been in the hospitality biz for a while, he'll keep a section closed but set aside for us, without us needing to leave a deposit. Alex aka talexb --- Uri Guttman wrote: > > i have spoken to the manager of the anchor bar. we > could get a room or > section but they want a $150 deposit which i don't > have at the moment > and we don't have a confirmed group size. we could > just walk in en masse > and he said that would be ok. if someone wants to > help out here, go for > it. we would need the usual signups on the kwiki > page. i am ok if we > just march in though. > > uri > > -- > Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- > http://www.stemsystems.com > --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems > Architecture, Design and Coding- > Search or Offer Perl Jobs > ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Friends. Fun. Try the all-new Yahoo! Messenger. http://messenger.yahoo.com/ From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 7 10:16:34 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> According to James A. Duncan: > Hmm, this is looking tricky, my talk ends at 11:40 and the nearest > place that I can find showing the game is in Canada. Am I reading this correctly? You're going to miss part of YAPC ... so you can *watch* *other* people playing a *game*? *sigh* "That's about as close as you can get to being an artifical life form." - Dilbert -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 7 10:22:49 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] England Vs. Switzerland In-Reply-To: ("James A. Duncan"'s message of "Mon, 7 Jun 2004 15:55:35 +0100") References: Message-ID: >>>>> "JAD" == James A Duncan writes: JAD> On 5 Jun 2004, at 16:44, Uri Guttman wrote: >>>>>>> "JAD" == James A Duncan writes: >> JAD> The game in question (England vs. Switzerland) kicks off at >> about JAD> midday on the Thursday, and I really need to find somewhere I >> can JAD> watch it. Is there anywhere anybody on this list is familiar >> with JAD> that might be showing the match? >> google for sports bars in nyc and buffalo. there are enough >> football^Wsoccer fans around (many non-merkin types) that some bars are >> known for having soccer on their tellys. JAD> Hmm, this is looking tricky, my talk ends at 11:40 and the nearest JAD> place that I can find showing the game is in Canada. I'm guessing that JAD> I won't be able to make the 38 miles to St. Catherines in 20 minutes :) maybe the bar has tivo? :) JAD> This is seriously bad news :-( sorry for that. maybe when you get to town you can ask around there. maybe not all sports bars showing soccer would have web pages and indexed by google. try calling/emailing some local hotels as conceirges know all about this kinda stuff. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From waltman at pobox.com Mon Jun 7 10:30:05 2004 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:16:34AM -0400, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > Am I reading this correctly? You're going to miss part of YAPC ... > so you can *watch* *other* people playing a *game*? Of course, this is day after we're planning on leaving a perfectly good bar to watch people pretend to do magic and fly around on brooms playing an even sillier game. Walt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20040607/0835662e/attachment.bin From schwern.michael at grantstreet.com Mon Jun 7 10:35:12 2004 From: schwern.michael at grantstreet.com (Michael Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <43E0D4EE-B898-11D8-BAAC-000D93685ADA@grantstreet.com> On Jun 7, 2004, at 11:16 AM, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > According to James A. Duncan: >> Hmm, this is looking tricky, my talk ends at 11:40 and the nearest >> place that I can find showing the game is in Canada. > > Am I reading this correctly? You're going to miss part of YAPC ... > so you can *watch* *other* people playing a *game*? Its why I'm still subscribed to p5p. From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 7 10:35:00 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] anchor bar In-Reply-To: <20040607151421.34054.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> (alex beamish's message of "Mon, 7 Jun 2004 08:14:21 -0700 (PDT)") References: <20040607151421.34054.qmail@web52602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "ab" == alex beamish writes: ab> Unless someone already in Buffalo has the spare ab> samoleans, I think our best approach is to warn the ab> manager of our impending arrival (which you've already ab> done) and just march in on the day and start ordering ab> beer and eating wings. that is my thought ab> If he's been in the hospitality biz for a while, he'll ab> keep a section closed but set aside for us, without us ab> needing to leave a deposit. well, he has reasons to want a deposit. if he knows a group of a certain size is coming, he will have the right staffing for it. and if we skip out, he will be out paying that staff. so he said we could just waltz in and i think that is what we should do. if we get a signup going, i can warn him that day about our size and he could hold a section/room. i don't want to make this more work than necessary (the arrival dinner has been plenty of work :). so if you want to go to the anchor bar (inventor of 'wings' :), signup on the kwiki page for it. this is just so we can get a head count. most people who go to there will be going on to potter (assuming you can scam tix :). directions from the anchor to the imax are on the kwiki (i think the potter page). i will print out all the directions before i leave from home. i suggest those of you with cars do the same. i will also be buying a buffalo street map (the globe bookstore in harvard square cambridge, is a great travel/map place). uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 7 10:52:57 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> According to Walt Mankowski: > Of course, this is day after we're planning on leaving a perfectly > good bar to watch people pretend to do magic and fly around on brooms > playing an even sillier game. The Harry Potter thing is my #1 "what the fuck?" moment for YAPC. Next to the movie, the soccer game is almost rational. At least the game is a real contest of actual live human beings, albeit ones that we don't know and will almost certainly never even meet. So you're going to waste half of a perfectly good evening in the company of your fellow geeks, some of whom you may never meet again, on a movie. A Harry Potter movie. On IMAX. Let's put this in context. We're all going to travel to an out-of- the-way town to be with other Perl geeks and enjoy an almost unparalleled ratio of geek existence to geek exploitation. And you're harvesting that uniquely Perlish gathering to collect an audience for a mediocre fantasy movie just because it's on a REALLY BIG SCREEN? What. The. Fuck. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From jduncan at fotango.com Mon Jun 7 10:55:46 2004 From: jduncan at fotango.com (James A. Duncan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <236C99B6-B89B-11D8-AEFE-000A95D0654C@fotango.com> On 7 Jun 2004, at 16:16, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > According to James A. Duncan: >> Hmm, this is looking tricky, my talk ends at 11:40 and the nearest >> place that I can find showing the game is in Canada. > > Am I reading this correctly? You're going to miss part of YAPC ... > so you can *watch* *other* people playing a *game*? > > *sigh* I think you possibly underestimate the importance that a large part of the world places on watching other people play a game. In the UK most of the management journals have been rife with articles about how to combat absenteeism during the Euro 2004 tournament. Many offices around the UK set up projector screens in the office during the World Cup so that staff members could watch the various matches without taking time off of work (or at least, time out of the office). The last European Championships final between Italy and France had a viewing figure in the UK alone of approx. 17.8 million people. To sum it up, I happen to enjoy it. If I can watch it, I will. Ideally this will be streamed directly to my laptop via the magic of the internet and saved for later listening, but if not, I'll try to find some other means. "Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." - Dilbert Regards, James. From dbryan at geowebhouse.com Mon Jun 7 10:59:38 2004 From: dbryan at geowebhouse.com (Derek Bryan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com><20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <022f01c44ca8$70dd8940$ecac5341@SIORLANDO.COM> I have no plans for any night. Anyone bringing chess boards? I'd be all for some of that. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chip Salzenberg" To: Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else > According to Walt Mankowski: > > Of course, this is day after we're planning on leaving a perfectly > > good bar to watch people pretend to do magic and fly around on brooms > > playing an even sillier game. > > The Harry Potter thing is my #1 "what the fuck?" moment for YAPC. > Next to the movie, the soccer game is almost rational. At least the > game is a real contest of actual live human beings, albeit ones that > we don't know and will almost certainly never even meet. > > So you're going to waste half of a perfectly good evening in the > company of your fellow geeks, some of whom you may never meet again, > on a movie. A Harry Potter movie. On IMAX. > > Let's put this in context. We're all going to travel to an out-of- > the-way town to be with other Perl geeks and enjoy an almost > unparalleled ratio of geek existence to geek exploitation. And you're > harvesting that uniquely Perlish gathering to collect an audience for > a mediocre fantasy movie just because it's on a REALLY BIG SCREEN? > > What. The. Fuck. > -- > Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - > '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 7 11:07:04 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <236C99B6-B89B-11D8-AEFE-000A95D0654C@fotango.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> <236C99B6-B89B-11D8-AEFE-000A95D0654C@fotango.com> Message-ID: <20040607160704.GE5708@perlsupport.com> According to James A.Duncan: > I think you possibly underestimate the importance that a large part > of the world places on watching other people play a game. Well, no. I marvel at it, but I don't underestimate it. > "Everybody is somebody else's weirdo." - Dilbert Truth. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From drew at drewtaylor.com Mon Jun 7 11:20:46 2004 From: drew at drewtaylor.com (Drew Taylor) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Looking for boarding Message-ID: <40C495DE.3000008@drewtaylor.com> OK, I'm a serious procrastinator and just registered today. And of course when I called the University Inn they are sold out. :-( And the dorm reservation deadline has passed too. So I'm looking for a place to stay. I can bring an air mattress if someone has floor space in their room, preferably at the hotel but a dorm would do I suppose. I'm good mannered, don't smell, and have good hygene (my wife trained me well). I also like to think I'm interesting and am capable of sustaining a good conversation. Also, I'll be driving from Boston Tuesday afternoon. If anyone wants to ride I have plenty of space. We can share the gas cost (@ 37 mpg) & tolls (about $10 each way on I-90). -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Drew Taylor * Web development & consulting Email: drew@drewtaylor.com * Site implementation & hosting Web : www.drewtaylor.com * perl/mod_perl/DBI/mysql/postgres ---------------------------------------------------------------- From ziggy at panix.com Mon Jun 7 11:28:15 2004 From: ziggy at panix.com (Adam Turoff) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20040607162815.GB7534@panix.com> On Mon, Jun 07, 2004 at 11:52:57AM -0400, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > The Harry Potter thing is my #1 "what the fuck?" moment for YAPC. The Harry Potter thing is the continuation of a long standing tradition at YAPC::NA - movie night. It started back in Pittsburgh, when a bunch of us went to the Beehive (because there was precious little else to do) and watched the Matrix. And proceeded to rip it to tiny little shreds. Last year, Kevin / Jeff arranged to rent out one screen at the local Muvico to watch The Matrix Regurgitated, and proceeded to rip it into tiny little shreds. Some of my favorite moments: Trinity: I have a secret to tell you, Neo... Perl Monger Greek Chorus: YOU CAN'T ACT! The Architect: blah blah blah Neo: You're Wrong! That can't be! The Architect: Ah, yes. Contradiction is the most predictable of all human responses. Piers Cawley: No, it isn't! The Architect: blah blah blah blah I've seen it all before blah Peanut from the Gallery: He talks just like Tom Christiansen writes. All things considered, getting 100 Perl geeks together in a theater to relive the glory of MST3K isn't the most irrational thing to do at YAPC. That would be watching Wimbledon. The only pity of it all is that _The Day After Tomorrow_ probably won't be playing by the end of the month. That would be a great movie for MST3K, but only with free tickets. Z. From indy at indigostar.com Mon Jun 7 11:38:35 2004 From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] England Vs. Switzerland References: Message-ID: <00f701c44cad$e0d38bf0$6400a8c0@indigostar.com> A couple of closer places where I think you can see the game are: Kelly's Winghouse, 6515 Portage Rd., Niagara Falls, ON, Ph: 905-354-5294 http://www.niagaranights.com/kellys-winghouse/index.shtml The Boat House, 3807 Macklem Street, Niagara Falls, Chippawa, Ontario, L2G 6C8, (905) 295-6606 http://www.forterie.com/boathouse Both of them said that they get TSN and would put it on. They are about 45 minutes away, but would require you to cross the border. The TSN schedule says that the game is being shown at 3PM, not at noon as you said. Please double check these findings for yourself. http://www.tsn.ca/broadcast/Schedule.asp?Channel=TSN&ShowDate=Jun%20%2017%202004&TZ=0 Based on some limited research, the game is being carried by TSN (The Sports Network), therefor any sports bar that gets that channel can show the the game. The bad news is that this appears to a Canadian only channel. In the USA they appear to carry ESPN and a few other channels which don't list the soccer game. I called a few bars on Buffalo, and they don't know anything about soccer, http://www.search4bars.com/buffalo-sports-bar.html Indy Singh IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "James A.Duncan" To: Sent: Saturday, June 05, 2004 6:56 AM Subject: [yapc] England Vs. Switzerland > So I have a little problem with the scheduling of YAPC::America this > year in so much as it is that taking place at the same time as Euro > 2004 Football (sorry, soccer) championships :-). > > The game in question (England vs. Switzerland) kicks off at about > midday on the Thursday, and I really need to find somewhere I can watch > it. Is there anywhere anybody on this list is familiar with that might > be showing the match? > > Regards, > James (who still needs to find somewhere to watch England vs. France > whilst in New York four days earlier :) > > -- > James A. Duncan > Chief Scientist, Fotango > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 7 12:05:11 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:45 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607162815.GB7534@panix.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607162815.GB7534@panix.com> Message-ID: <20040607170511.GL5708@perlsupport.com> According to Adam Turoff: > All things considered, getting 100 Perl geeks together in a theater to > relive the glory of MST3K isn't the most irrational thing to do at YAPC. Oh, my. It'll be 100 geeks _and_no_one_else_? With mandatory heckling? *That* I would understand. I might even sign up. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From Greg.Fenton at ianywhere.com Mon Jun 7 12:20:49 2004 From: Greg.Fenton at ianywhere.com (Greg.Fenton@ianywhere.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else Message-ID: Chip wrote: > Let's put this in context. We're all going to travel to an out-of- > the-way town to be with other Perl geeks and enjoy an almost > unparalleled ratio of geek existence to geek exploitation. I believe what Chip is proposing is an evening hack-fest ??? Wouldn't this be an appropriate venue for just such an event? Maybe Chris Winters has a couple of items on his To-Do or Wish-For list we could hack on? greg.fenton ---- Greg Fenton Consultant, Solution Services iAnywhere Solutions -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20040607/73d5fe06/attachment.htm From uri at stemsystems.com Mon Jun 7 12:25:52 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607170511.GL5708@perlsupport.com> (Chip Salzenberg's message of "Mon, 7 Jun 2004 13:05:11 -0400") References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607162815.GB7534@panix.com> <20040607170511.GL5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "CS" == Chip Salzenberg writes: CS> According to Adam Turoff: >> All things considered, getting 100 Perl geeks together in a theater to >> relive the glory of MST3K isn't the most irrational thing to do at YAPC. CS> Oh, my. It'll be 100 geeks _and_no_one_else_? With mandatory CS> heckling? *That* I would understand. I might even sign up. well, we don't have the entire place to ourselves. at the behive (which was impromptu) we took over the place and a handful of others didn't like the critical remarks. best comment: the bad guys were abusing neo in his office (early in the flick). someone yelled, "you didn't use strict!" last year, i resurrected the idea and we were able to reserver an entire small (100 seat) theater for ourselves so we heckled away and boy did it deserve it. the imax holds about 200 seat and we have 125 tickets so we won't control the place but we will dominate it. :) i don't think potter will deserve as much heckling as the matrix duds IMO. this one has gotten very good reviews all around (a quality director helps). i won't stop anyone (or myself) from heckling but it may not work as well in a larger place with many non-mongers there. we will see. i don't want to cause trouble with the imax management if others complain about heckling. if you only say your mst3k lines to your neighbors and don't scream it out, it could be ok. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From ingy at ttul.org Mon Jun 7 12:32:18 2004 From: ingy at ttul.org (Brian Ingerson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: <20040607170511.GL5708@perlsupport.com> References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org> <20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> <20040607162815.GB7534@panix.com> <20040607170511.GL5708@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20040607173218.GA5447@ttul.org> On 07/06/04 13:05 -0400, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > According to Adam Turoff: > > All things considered, getting 100 Perl geeks together in a theater to > > relive the glory of MST3K isn't the most irrational thing to do at YAPC. > > Oh, my. It'll be 100 geeks _and_no_one_else_? With mandatory > heckling? *That* I would understand. I might even sign up. Well last year there were actually two citizens who got a little more for their $8 than I think they bargained for. Cheers, Brian From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 7 12:35:56 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040607173556.GQ5708@perlsupport.com> According to Greg.Fenton@ianywhere.com: > I believe what Chip is proposing is an evening hack-fest ??? That'd be fun, absolutely. Though if the idea at the movie isn't to bask in worshipful silence, but to talk back and hoist the movie on its own petard (as Ziggy seems to suggest), then it actually *is* a good Perlish activity. Hubris, y'know. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From dloliger at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 7 14:23:03 2004 From: dloliger at buffalo.edu (Loliger, Donna) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? Message-ID: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA35196@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> HI Alex - I just got notification from the Housing office that you can call a Housing RA student at extension 2135 from a campus phone (or a non-campus phone dial 645-2135) and that a student can meet you to let you into your room. The Housing office also offered to take your name and that they would be aware that you were coming in late. I gave them your name in case you decide to do this. Now it will be late (early) and I cannot personally guarantee that this student will not be snoozing at the other end of the phone line though the Housing office says "you'll be taken care of". It's up to you, if you are uncomfortable with this arrangement, you may want to get a volunteer to get the key for you. Donna L. -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Bisbee [mailto:yapc@jbisbee.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2004 1:13 PM To: alex beamish; YAPC NA Subject: Re: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? * alex beamish (alexbeamish@yahoo.com) wrote: > I'd like to be able to get into my room, even if I > arrive after midnight. What arrangements can I make? > Thanks. Last year we just had someone volunteer to hand out room keys to the late commers. (I'm pretty sure that Kevin Meltzer did this @ FAU). It doesn't have to be one of the organizers either. If someone who is staying in the dorms could volunteer to make sure that late comers get their room keys, I'm sure the conference organizers would appreciate it (one less thing to worry about) -- Jeff Bisbee / yapc@jbisbee.com / jbisbee.com _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From jkeen at verizon.net Mon Jun 7 14:27:05 2004 From: jkeen at verizon.net (jkeen@verizon.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else Message-ID: <20040607192705.VLLB28276.out007.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> > > From: Chip Salzenberg > Date: 2004/06/07 Mon AM 10:52:57 CDT > To: yapc@mail.pm.org > Subject: [yapc] Re: Somebody Vs. Somebody Else > > According to Walt Mankowski: > > Of course, this is day after we're planning on leaving a perfectly > > good bar to watch people pretend to do magic and fly around on brooms > > playing an even sillier game. > > The Harry Potter thing is my #1 "what the fuck?" moment for YAPC. > Next to the movie, the soccer game is almost rational. At least the > game is a real contest of actual live human beings, albeit ones that > we don't know and will almost certainly never even meet. > > So you're going to waste half of a perfectly good evening in the > company of your fellow geeks, some of whom you may never meet again, > on a movie. A Harry Potter movie. On IMAX. > > Let's put this in context. We're all going to travel to an out-of- > the-way town to be with other Perl geeks and enjoy an almost > unparalleled ratio of geek existence to geek exploitation. And you're > harvesting that uniquely Perlish gathering to collect an audience for > a mediocre fantasy movie just because it's on a REALLY BIG SCREEN? > > What. The. Fuck. > -- Yo, Chip, chill! (1) You don't have to go! (2) From what I've read, we have 125 tickets for the show, but conference registration is already at 200. So you may not even get to go ... and if you don't want to go, that frees up a ticket for someone who does want to go. (3) And there will still be plenty of people at the dorms or hotel for all-night hacking sessions. I went to 3 YAPCs last year, 2 of which had movie nights as part of their social calendars. I went to 1 movie (Ottawa), but skipped the other (Boca Raton). Enjoyed both conferences. jimk From dloliger at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 7 14:51:58 2004 From: dloliger at buffalo.edu (Loliger, Donna) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? Message-ID: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA351A0@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Daniel - You definitely are on the dorm list. Donna -----Original Message----- From: Daniel R. Allen [mailto:daniel@coder.com] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 10:24 AM To: yapc@mail.pm.org Subject: Re: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? Jim, If you can confirm that I was able to successfully sign up for a dorm-room (see our conversation last Thursday), I'd be happy to hold Alex's key till he shows up. -Daniel -- http://kw.pm.org/ - Kitchener-Waterloo Perl Mongers - da@kw.pm.org http://coder.com/ - Prescient Code Solutions - (519) 575-3733 da@coder.com _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From dloliger at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 7 15:15:51 2004 From: dloliger at buffalo.edu (Loliger, Donna) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? Message-ID: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA351A5@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Ken - You are on the dorm list. Donna -----Original Message----- From: Kenneth Moyle [mailto:moylek@mcmaster.ca] Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:03 AM To: yapc@mail.pm.org Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? My name no longer appears on http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees. Should I take a hint? Or should I just re-add myself? Most worrisome: I don't see my name of the dorm list. I note that my name still appears in the chnage log: http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?RecentChanges Need I be concerned? Regards, Ken Moyle Kenneth C. Moyle -> Analyst, Research & High-Performance Computing Support -> moylek@mcmaster.ca - (905) 525-9140 X26872 -> http://newman.mcmaster.ca/~moylek McMaster University - Hamilton, Ontario (Canada) _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From yapc2004 at majcher.com Mon Jun 7 16:31:25 2004 From: yapc2004 at majcher.com (yapc2004@majcher.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] registration donation Message-ID: <200406072131.i57LVPuF018472@majcher.com> Due to unforseen circumstances, I'm going to be unable to return to my home town for yapc this year. Is there any way I can gift my registration to some random unfortunate out there, or should I just consider this a misfire? I'll be there in spirit, anyway... -- DVS If your soul is imperfect, living will be difficult. From magog at the-wire.com Mon Jun 7 16:43:39 2004 From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arriving late for dorm room -- a problem? In-Reply-To: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA35196@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> References: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA35196@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <1086644619.40c4e18bd87a6@webmail.the-wire.com> > I just got notification from the Housing office that you can call a > Housing RA student at extension 2135 from a campus phone (or a non-campus > phone dial 645-2135) and that a student can meet you to let you into your > room. I'm in the same boat - thanks a bunch for posting this info to the list! Michael -- Michael Graham magog@the-wire.com From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 7 19:02:57 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Kwiki Clarification Message-ID: <329C08E6-B8DF-11D8-9A97-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> I thought I would send out a clarification on how the kwiki works, in case there is any confusion. If you know what a kwiki is, you can delete now. A wiki is basically a web site you can edit. A kwiki is an easy-to-set-up (quick) wiki that runs using a module developed by Brian Ingerson. Since the idea of a kwiki is to allow anyone to edit the pages, it is by it's nature somewhat unofficial (after all, anyone can change the content). However, over the last few years several conferences such as YAPC and OSCON have found kwiki's very useful for many things. On the YAPC kwiki, the list of attendees and dorms residents are not official lists from the conference. They are entries by people who are coming to the conference who chose to put themselves in there. They chose to do this because it allows other people to get together with them at the conference. The other advantage of putting yourself in the kwiki is you can create a new page with information about yourself. So if you'd like to be listed in the kwiki, please feel free to add yourself. Now, one of the unfortunate side-effects of letting everyone edit your website is that someone might make a mistake, or even worse not like your conference and be malicious. While the latter doesn't happen much, the former can, especially as people new to the kwiki concept become familiar with it. If you've added content and it disappears (as happened to at least one person), try adding it again. If it disappears again, we can track down the cause [and make sure the cause doesn't get Harry Potter tickets :) ] If you're new to kwiki's, there are instructions at the bottom of the page. Two useful links: http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?KwikiHelpIndex http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?KwikiFormattingRules These are very helpful in learning the simple syntax for adding content to the kwiki. You can also look at how other people have added content. Sorry for the long-winded post, but I know when I first learned about kwikis I was quite puzzled. I hope this helps. Jim ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 8 00:41:43 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner deadline Message-ID: ok, this is the last reminder for the arrival dinner. we have 50 mongers coming which is great since the room holds 50! we could squeeze in a small monger or two more. overflow can use the main dining room you are still welcome to just show up if you aren't signed up. there will be enough for a couple of more to buy into the buffet or you can order off the menu the final deadline for rsvp and menu voting is tuesday night 8pm EST. i will break any ties :) voting for the menu has been going at a frantic pace. here are the current rankings: minestone soup still has a solid lead. cream of potato or beef barley would need some floridian ballots to catch up now. balsamic vinagrette is the slim leader with peppercorn parmesan and thousand island tied right behind it and bleu cheese could make a come from behind victory. remember you can vote for 2 of these so if you only picked one before, pick another. green beans amandine is the runaway and declared victor and nobody trailing is even in sight. oven herb-roasted potatoes has been the leader all along but rice pilaf is steadily making up ground. the entree race has been very interesting because of the 3 choices allowed (remember to choose up to 3). top round has been the clear winner from the start but the race for second and third has been a fight between Herb-Roasted Chicken, Roasted breast of turkey and chicken portofino. herb roasted is the current leader and the other two are tied behind it and one of them has to lose. italian sausage is the dark horse and could win a place with some last second ballot stuffing or some help from the supreme court. and finally chocolate sauce for the ice cream is the clear winner but mint sauce got its first vote! that's it for now. i will announce the final menu and head count tomorrow night. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From jcromie at divsol.com Tue Jun 8 01:27:33 2004 From: jcromie at divsol.com (Jim Cromie) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Share a ride from Airport Wed Morn ? Message-ID: <40C55C55.5060705@divsol.com> folks, I get into Buffalo at 8:15 am Wed morn, and would like to share a cab/ride to YAPC. tia jimc From kenneth.rich at rochester.edu Tue Jun 8 06:31:40 2004 From: kenneth.rich at rochester.edu (kenneth.rich@rochester.edu) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] lodging woes and solution Message-ID: <200406081131.i58BVeMi006280@lursa.cc.rochester.edu> Hi- If anyone else was like me and had suboptimal management decisiveness keep them out of the on-campus housing, and found out that the Marriott reservations folks claimed to have no knowledge of a YAPC rate, listen up: I got a room at the Hampton Inn, 10 Flint Rd, $90/night thru hotels.com. I didn't shop around, so there might be a better rate out there, I dare ya. By map it looks lots closer to campus than the Marriott. -- -ken rich "Life would be easier if we had the source code." --Compucius kenneth.rich(a)rochester.edu From eye at buffalo.edu Tue Jun 8 08:32:16 2004 From: eye at buffalo.edu (Kevin Eye) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] lodging woes and solution In-Reply-To: <200406081131.i58BVeMi006280@lursa.cc.rochester.edu> References: <200406081131.i58BVeMi006280@lursa.cc.rochester.edu> Message-ID: <425D7D74-B950-11D8-A3C1-000393D1C5F2@buffalo.edu> FYI - the Marriott, Hampton Inn, a Super 8 Motel, and a Red Roof Inn are all in the same small block between Maple Rd. and Millersport Highway on Flint Rd. This block borders the University (on the opposite side as the University Inn). You can see the conference site from any of these hotels (there might be some trees in the way). All are probably about a mile away. I've never stayed at the Red Roof Inn, so I can't speak to it's quality (and good luck with internet access), but it looks like you can make a reservation for $52 a night here: http://www.redroof.com/reservations/inn_details.asp?innNumber=104 - Kevin -- Kevin Eye Web Applications Developer Creative Services and Marketing University at Buffalo 330 Crofts Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 eye@buffalo.edu phone (716) 645-5000 x1435 fax (716) 645-3765 On Jun 8, 2004, at 7:31 AM, kenneth.rich@rochester.edu wrote: > Hi- > > If anyone else was like me and had suboptimal management decisiveness > keep them out of the on-campus housing, and found out that the > Marriott reservations folks claimed to have no knowledge of a YAPC > rate, listen up: > > I got a room at the Hampton Inn, 10 Flint Rd, $90/night thru > hotels.com. > I didn't shop around, so there might be a better rate out there, > I dare ya. By map it looks lots closer to campus than the Marriott. > > -- > -ken rich "Life would be easier if we had > the source code." --Compucius > kenneth.rich(a)rochester.edu > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From yapc at jbisbee.com Tue Jun 8 09:08:33 2004 From: yapc at jbisbee.com (Jeff Bisbee) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner deadline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040608140833.GA7859@jbisbee.com> * Uri Guttman (uri@stemsystems.com) wrote: > ok, this is the last reminder for the arrival dinner. we have 50 mongers > coming which is great since the room holds 50! we could squeeze in a > small monger or two more. overflow can use the main dining room My flight gets in at like 6:30 and I would like to take a cab right to the group dinner. I just need to be able to get a ride to the hotel and throw my luggage into someone's car once I get there. (I'm staying at the University Inn) -- Jeff Bisbee / yapc@jbisbee.com / jbisbee.com From mesmith at panix.com Tue Jun 8 11:32:24 2004 From: mesmith at panix.com (Michael E. Smith) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arrival dinner In-Reply-To: from "Uri Guttman" at Jun 08, 2004 01:41:43 AM Message-ID: <200406081632.i58GWOv25990@panix1.panix.com> Uri reminded us: > > > ok, this is the last reminder for the arrival dinner. we have 50 mongers > coming which is great since the room holds 50! we could squeeze in a > small monger or two more. overflow can use the main dining room > > you are still welcome to just show up if you aren't signed up. there > will be enough for a couple of more to buy into the buffet or you can > order off the menu I was unable to work the KWIKI. I hope to attend the Arrival dinner, but I don't know if I will arrive in time. My transportation plans are not yet set. The most likely time seems to be 6:30pm at the train station on Tuesday. I received e-mail confirmation for the dorm and the conference, but my name doesn't show up on the posted lists. -- Michael E. Smith, NYC New York Perl Monger From dha at panix.com Tue Jun 8 12:54:18 2004 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner deadline In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20040608175418.GA3224@panix.com> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:41:43AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > > voting for the menu has been going at a frantic pace. here are the > current rankings: > > minestone soup still has a solid lead. cream of potato or beef barley > would need some floridian ballots to catch up now. I, for one would prefer the cream of potato or beef barley (in that order) over the minestrone. Come on people! Beat down the minestrone crowd! > balsamic vinagrette is the slim leader with peppercorn parmesan and > thousand island tied right behind it and bleu cheese could make a come > from behind victory. remember you can vote for 2 of these so if you only > picked one before, pick another. I find both the vinagrette and the peppercorn parmesan favorable. > green beans amandine is the runaway and declared victor and nobody > trailing is even in sight. I can pick out the almonds. :-) > oven herb-roasted potatoes has been the leader all along but rice pilaf > is steadily making up ground. Either works for me. > the entree race has been very interesting because of the 3 choices > allowed (remember to choose up to 3). top round has been the clear > winner from the start but the race for second and third has been a fight > between Herb-Roasted Chicken, Roasted breast of turkey and chicken > portofino. herb roasted is the current leader and the other two are tied > behind it and one of them has to lose. italian sausage is the dark horse > and could win a place with some last second ballot stuffing or some help > from the supreme court. After the top round, I'd go with the chicken and turkey. > and finally chocolate sauce for the ice cream is the clear winner but > mint sauce got its first vote! Chocolate is rarely unwelcome. LET THE GAMES BEGIN. dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ The Teletubbies are coming to America. They must be stopped! From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 8 17:53:51 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner deadline In-Reply-To: <20040608175418.GA3224@panix.com> ("David H. Adler"'s message of "Tue, 8 Jun 2004 13:54:18 -0400") References: <20040608175418.GA3224@panix.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "DHA" == David H Adler writes: DHA> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:41:43AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: >> >> voting for the menu has been going at a frantic pace. here are the >> current rankings: >> >> minestone soup still has a solid lead. cream of potato or beef barley >> would need some floridian ballots to catch up now. DHA> I, for one would prefer the cream of potato or beef barley (in that DHA> order) over the minestrone. i like almost all the soup listings but the veggie crowd would want the minestrone as it is the only veggie/non-dairy soup AFAIK. DHA> Come on people! Beat down the minestrone crowd! tell that to jim brandt, yapc fearless leader who is a veggie :) uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 8 17:57:15 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner deadline In-Reply-To: <20040608140833.GA7859@jbisbee.com> (Jeff Bisbee's message of "Tue, 8 Jun 2004 10:08:33 -0400") References: <20040608140833.GA7859@jbisbee.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "JB" == Jeff Bisbee writes: JB> * Uri Guttman (uri@stemsystems.com) wrote: >> ok, this is the last reminder for the arrival dinner. we have 50 mongers >> coming which is great since the room holds 50! we could squeeze in a >> small monger or two more. overflow can use the main dining room JB> My flight gets in at like 6:30 and I would like to take a cab right to JB> the group dinner. I just need to be able to get a ride to the hotel and JB> throw my luggage into someone's car once I get there. (I'm staying at JB> the University Inn) there should be no problem getting a ride back to the hotel after the dinner. i can't guarantee a seat in my car but i can take back your luggage and tie you onto the hood. :) and i don't see you signed up on the kwiki but i will count you. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 8 18:00:19 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Arrival dinner In-Reply-To: <200406081632.i58GWOv25990@panix1.panix.com> ("Michael E. Smith"'s message of "Tue, 8 Jun 2004 12:32:24 -0400 (EDT)") References: <200406081632.i58GWOv25990@panix1.panix.com> Message-ID: >>>>> "MES" == Michael E Smith writes: MES> I was unable to work the KWIKI. I hope to attend the Arrival MES> dinner, but I don't know if I will arrive in time. My transportation MES> plans are not yet set. The most likely time seems to be 6:30pm at the MES> train station on Tuesday. what problems did you have with the kwiki? it is very simple to use. just click on an edit button, edit the text (add your name) and click on save. it does seem to sometimes claim the page was edited behind you but you can just try it again and it seems to work. MES> I received e-mail confirmation for the dorm and the conference, but MES> my name doesn't show up on the posted lists. as has been posted here, the kwiki pages do not reflect anything from the conference registrations. the pages are just edited by individual attendees who want to let others know that they are attending. so edit them if you want. i don't know if i should count you for the dinner. even if you show up later, you can either scrounge buffet food or order from the menu. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 8 18:28:00 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] dinner final results Message-ID: i count 53 names (i left out kevin meltze). those that signed up but say they may late (long drives) are counted so you are obligated towards your part of the tab. there are a couple of emailed in ones which i didn't count as i wasn't sure. but there will be plenty of food for a few unsigned stragglers and of course ordering from the menu. i expect there will be some randoms dropping in late anyhow. also with 53, some will be seated outside the reserved room (which holds 50) but they can get to the buffet. here is the final menu according to the voting: Crudites with dip as Hor D'oeuvre buffalo wings (i have to place this order as it is extra) * minestrone (veggie) (8) salad with choice of * balsamic vinagrette (6) * bleu cheese (6) * green beans amandine (16) * oven herb-roasted potatoes (13) Penne with homemade (veggie) marinara sauce; this comes standard with the buffet. * Top Round of Beef (11) * Roasted breast of turkey (7) * Herb-Roasted Chicken (8) individually served french vanilla ice cream with choice of topping * chocolate sauce (11) so that's it folks. i will be calling this in now. thanx, uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From uri at stemsystems.com Tue Jun 8 18:48:51 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner final details Message-ID: i called in the order for 53 people with the menu i emailed. we are getting 3 trays of wings (50 each) in mild (pythonistas), medium (rubyists), and hot (mongers). this will be $105 total or about $2 per person. this makes the base price (including tax/tip) about $23/person. she asked that drinks (soft and alky) be paid for when ordered. this will make paying the final bill much simpler too. they have a decent range of beers including guinness, sam adams, heineken, labatts, moulson and others. see you all there! uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From dha at panix.com Tue Jun 8 21:41:24 2004 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] arrival dinner deadline In-Reply-To: References: <20040608175418.GA3224@panix.com> Message-ID: <20040609024124.GA5639@panix.com> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 06:53:51PM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > >>>>> "DHA" == David H Adler writes: > > DHA> On Tue, Jun 08, 2004 at 01:41:43AM -0400, Uri Guttman wrote: > >> > >> voting for the menu has been going at a frantic pace. here are the > >> current rankings: > >> > >> minestone soup still has a solid lead. cream of potato or beef barley > >> would need some floridian ballots to catch up now. > > DHA> I, for one would prefer the cream of potato or beef barley (in that > DHA> order) over the minestrone. > > i like almost all the soup listings but the veggie crowd would want the > minestrone as it is the only veggie/non-dairy soup AFAIK. > > DHA> Come on people! Beat down the minestrone crowd! > > tell that to jim brandt, yapc fearless leader who is a veggie :) Cream of potato has vegetables. :-) dha -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ I believe myself to be the daughter of a one-eyed space robot named Malcolm. -Fallon Young, http://www.bobbins.org/d/20000915.html From uri at stemsystems.com Fri Jun 11 10:55:05 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism Message-ID: given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, nothing happened. anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow bridge)? uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From tom at legrady.ca Fri Jun 11 18:55:35 2004 From: tom at legrady.ca (Tom Legrady) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40CA4677.9010303@legrady.ca> My understanding is that Canada still welcomes visitors. However, you need good documentation to get ( back ) into the US. Tom Uri Guttman wrote: >given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross >into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just >needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, >nothing happened. > >anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow >bridge)? > >uri > > > From David_Robins at hilton.com Fri Jun 11 19:01:09 2004 From: David_Robins at hilton.com (David Robins) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism Message-ID: <3D86C08068A129438E1877217DA8152264B38E@cmxsmbx1.hq.ad.hilton.com> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Cheers Pierre Garigue On Fri, 11 Jun 2004 11:55:05 -0400 Uri Guttman wrote: > >given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross >into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just >needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, >nothing happened. > >anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow >bridge)? > >uri > >-- >Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- >http://www.stemsystems.com >--Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and >Coding- >Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- > http://jobs.perl.org >_______________________________________________ >yapc mailing list >yapc@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From somian at orchidacea.dyndns.org Fri Jun 11 22:14:58 2004 From: somian at orchidacea.dyndns.org (Soren Andersen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] GoodEats posted on kwiki Message-ID: <20040612031458.GA1111@69-162-169-9.bflony.adelphia.net> Greetings YAPCians. Some of you know me as Intrepid on PMo (PerlMonks). I'm a (semi-) Buffalonian and an attendee of YAPC this year (and last). Last year it was very helpful to read restaurant / food-gathering recommendations that were personal in origin (from fellow Perlers). So this year I thought I'd start a node on the kwiki with the intention of recommending a few outstanding eateries that are within a reasonable distance of the conference site (SUNY/Buffalo a.k.a. "UB", North or Amherst Campus). The node is http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?GoodEats I hope that others might add to it. I actually don't spend time out near the Amherst Campus at all; I am not currently affiliated with "UB" in any way. Since I was last a student there in the mid-80s, much has changed. This info is supplementary to all the helpful resources being provided by conference organizer Jim Brant, socializism czar Uri Guttman (err, oh, that's "socialiZING") et al. Hope to see you all soon, Soren "somian" Andersen -- x----------------------------------------------------------------------x | The greatest woes of the programmer? | | Serotonine deficiency, caffeine deprivation and the | | unbearable roar of the birds. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | (.sig by Nicolas Kratz) | Soren A. / perlspinr / Intrepid / somian | x----------------------------------------------------------------------x -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From joshr-yapc at joshr.com Sat Jun 12 08:12:20 2004 From: joshr-yapc at joshr.com (Josh Rabinowitz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Space for one in car, NYC->Buffalo Message-ID: Hello YAPC-ers: I intend to drive from NYC to YAPC this year and currently have one space in my car for a passenger. I'm leaving NYC tuesday morning, and returning from Buffalo on Saturday. Let me know if you would like to carpool with me! A gas money donation is requested, but not required. Also, I have a bompin' (for varying definitions of "bompin'") car stereo that plays CDs of MP3s, so that could help while the travel time. Best, Josh Rabinowitz http://joshr.com (212) 387-9971 PS: For those who don't know, I'll be presenting about perl and SWISH-E at YAPC, following up on my Linux Journal article from 7/2003; see http://www.yapc.org/America/talk_desc.shtml#26 for a description of the talk, or http://joshr.com/html/articles_by_joshr.html for more info about my recent presentations. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Rabinowitz | JOSHR Consulting | SkateboardDirectory.com joshr@joshr.com | http://www.joshr.com | http://SkateboardDirectory.com From jkeen at verizon.net Sat Jun 12 11:11:33 2004 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James Keenan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> On Jun 11, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > > given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross > into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just > needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, > nothing happened. > > anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow > bridge)? > > 1. It never hurts to have your passport. 2. All non-U.S. citizens currently living in the US and attending the conference should check in advance as to what documentation they might need to enter Canada and re-enter the U.S. on a day trip. 3. The time needed to pass through Customs and Immigration varies maddeningly. I've driven into and out of Canada four times since 9/11. I never have a problem getting into Canada. I show them my passport and my license number is already in their system. Getting back into the U.S. is a different question. I've entered the U.S. via the Queenston-Lewiston Bridge (most direct route from Canada to northern Erie County and points east) three times since Sept 2001 -- once just 3 weeks after the attacks. The first two times: no problem, no more than 15 minute waits, even though I was asked to open my trunk. But in early May, returning from Toronto (where, once again, I had a great time with to.pm), it took me 90 minutes to cross the Bridge and get through C&I -- and I don't really know why the processing was going so slowly. And the Q-L Bridge always had a reputation of being faster than the Peace Bridge! Implication: Be sure you take a bathroom break before approaching the border, particularly entering the US. 4. Uri: Given the above, I would recommend taking the Maid of the Mist from the U.S. side, so as to not waste time crossing the border on a peak traffic summer weekend. jimk From uri at stemsystems.com Sat Jun 12 11:44:35 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> (James Keenan's message of "Sat, 12 Jun 2004 12:11:33 -0400") References: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> Message-ID: >>>>> "JK" == James Keenan writes: JK> 4. Uri: Given the above, I would recommend taking the Maid of the JK> Mist from the U.S. side, so as to not waste time crossing the JK> border on a peak traffic summer weekend. i was planning on that side anyway. the crossing is for other stuff most of which is on the canadian side. uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From robindarby at mac.com Sat Jun 12 19:42:38 2004 From: robindarby at mac.com (Robin Darby) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Space for one in car, NYC->Buffalo In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <91B718F1-BCD2-11D8-B5FA-000393C96606@mac.com> On 12 Jun 2004, at 14:12, Josh Rabinowitz wrote: > Hello YAPC-ers: > > I intend to drive from NYC to YAPC this year and currently have one > space in my car for a passenger. I'm leaving NYC tuesday morning, and > returning from Buffalo on Saturday. > > Let me know if you would like to carpool with me! A gas money donation > is requested, but not required. Also, I have a bompin' (for varying > definitions of "bompin'") car stereo that plays CDs of MP3s, so that > could help while the travel time. Hello, Darn, I pre-booked a flight to BUFF; Mind you having just arrived in NY from London (UK) I guess a long (how long does it take?) car drive would do my head in. [snip] > PS: For those who don't know, I'll be presenting about perl and > SWISH-E at YAPC, following up on my Linux Journal article from 7/2003; > see http://www.yapc.org/America/talk_desc.shtml#26 for a description > of the talk, or http://joshr.com/html/articles_by_joshr.html for more > info about my recent presentations. Arg, yes swish-e; prolly best I don't come with you, we may come to blows :) Thanks Robin Darby... From joshr-yapc at joshr.com Sun Jun 13 06:03:48 2004 From: joshr-yapc at joshr.com (Josh Rabinowitz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Space for one in car, NYC->Buffalo In-Reply-To: <91B718F1-BCD2-11D8-B5FA-000393C96606@mac.com> References: <91B718F1-BCD2-11D8-B5FA-000393C96606@mac.com> Message-ID: >On 12 Jun 2004, at 14:12, Josh Rabinowitz wrote: > >>Hello YAPC-ers: >> >... >[snip] > >>PS: For those who don't know, I'll be presenting about perl and >>SWISH-E at YAPC, following up on my Linux Journal article from >>7/2003; see http://www.yapc.org/America/talk_desc.shtml#26 for a >>description of the talk, or >>http://joshr.com/html/articles_by_joshr.html for more info about my >>recent presentations. > >Arg, yes swish-e; prolly best I don't come with you, we may come to blows :) Wow, a swish-e detractor - what do you prefer? Best, joshr -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Josh Rabinowitz | JOSHR Consulting | SkateboardDirectory.com | http://www.joshr.com | http://SkateboardDirectory.com From waltman at pobox.com Sun Jun 13 11:36:25 2004 From: waltman at pobox.com (Walt Mankowski) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> References: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20040613163625.GB13272@waltman.dnsalias.org> On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:11:33PM -0400, James Keenan wrote: > 3. The time needed to pass through Customs and Immigration varies > maddeningly. I've driven into and out of Canada four times since 9/11. > I never have a problem getting into Canada. I show them my passport > and my license number is already in their system. > Getting back into the U.S. is a different question. I've entered > the U.S. via the Queenston-Lewiston Bridge (most direct route from Canada > to northern Erie County and points east) three times since Sept 2001 -- > once just 3 weeks after the attacks. The first two times: no problem, > no more than 15 minute waits, even though I was asked to open my trunk. > But in early May, returning from Toronto (where, once again, I had a > great time with to.pm), it took me 90 minutes to cross the Bridge and > get through C&I -- and I don't really know why the processing was going > so slowly. And the Q-L Bridge always had a reputation of being faster > than the Peace Bridge! > Implication: Be sure you take a bathroom break before approaching > the border, particularly entering the US. I think I did that border crossing yesterday. (Is it the one you hit when taking I-190?) It only took me a few minutes. The Canadian border guy asked me a few token questions and sent me on my way. He didn't even ask to see any ID, not even a driver's license. However, the other way was another story entirely. Traffic was backed up quite a ways going back into the US. Walt -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 189 bytes Desc: Digital signature Url : http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20040613/95bf8604/attachment.bin From dloliger at buffalo.edu Sun Jun 13 18:43:05 2004 From: dloliger at buffalo.edu (Loliger, Donna) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism Message-ID: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA351DD@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> HI Uri - I go to Canada all the time and would recommend a passport if you have one. They are generally pretty easy on the bridges but a photo ID is now required and having 2 forms of ID (one photo & one not) is advisable. Note that the new casino in Niagara Falls, Ontario just opened last Thursday so bridge traffic on the weekend is predicted to be slightly more than normal for this time of year. Still, Canada is worth the trip. Donna L. -----Original Message----- From: Uri Guttman [mailto:uri@stemsystems.com] Sent: Friday, June 11, 2004 11:55 AM To: yapc@mail.pm.org Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, nothing happened. anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow bridge)? uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org _______________________________________________ yapc mailing list yapc@mail.pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From sghosh at sghosh.org Sun Jun 13 19:40:29 2004 From: sghosh at sghosh.org (Subhendu Ghosh) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA351DD@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: We are planning to go to Toronto for the weekend and am trying the new ferry (with car) back to Rochester on Sunday - hoping to avoid the bridges and some drive time... www.thebreeze.com -- -subhendu` From sp2nbyi02 at sneakemail.com Sun Jun 13 22:56:14 2004 From: sp2nbyi02 at sneakemail.com (sp2nbyi02@sneakemail.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Kwiki BOF Message-ID: <25920-84564@sneakemail.com> I'd like to announce a BOF for people interested in the new and upcoming Kwiki. However, this being my first time at YAPC, I'm unsure as to when or where I should host it. In fact, all but one of the BOFs appear to be unscheduled. The options appear to have BOF with pancakes (early) or BOF with beer (late). I'd appreciate any suggestions anyone might have. :) Details of the BOF are at http://yapc.kwiki.org/?KwikiBOF -- Ian Langworth Project Guerrilla Northeastern University College of Computer and Information Science From uri at stemsystems.com Sun Jun 13 23:52:24 2004 From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] stem bof is scheduled Message-ID: the stem BOF is now scheduled for wed. june 16, from 5:30-6:30. dunno where it will be yet and i will get the word out when i get a room. afterwards i will be sojourning to the anchor bar for wings, beer (not free) and more. so we can continue the bof there. i will have room for 3-4 riders and bof attendees get dibs! also get free jelly beans for the potter movie! all good reasons to attend this BOF, so show up. and add your questions to the BOF page http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?StemBOF uri -- Uri Guttman ------ uri@stemsystems.com -------- http://www.stemsystems.com --Perl Consulting, Stem Development, Systems Architecture, Design and Coding- Search or Offer Perl Jobs ---------------------------- http://jobs.perl.org From ingy at ttul.org Mon Jun 14 05:27:35 2004 From: ingy at ttul.org (Brian Ingerson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Kwiki Upgrade Message-ID: <20040614102735.GA19993@ttul.org> Hi all, I've been working round the clock for the last week and my gf is ready to dump me for it, but I've managed to bring a completely new Kwiki to the YAPC::NA site. I hope you all enjoy it. There's a lot of neat plugins and more will be coming throughout the week. If you have a thought or suggestion or whatever, drop me a line. Cheers, Brian PS Ian Langworth helped out a lot in this. He'll be at YAPC. Direct all complaints to him ;-) From mike at matchevents.com Mon Jun 14 07:39:08 2004 From: mike at matchevents.com (Mike McClain) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <200406121701.i5CH12rp013067@www.pm.org> References: <200406121701.i5CH12rp013067@www.pm.org> Message-ID: <40CD9C6C.7080706@matchevents.com> Uri, Last time I went into Canada and back ( I walked over at Niagara Falls), they required 1. Passport or 2. Drivers license AND birth certificate. If I hadn't been with more knowledgeable people I would not have known about the birth certificate requirement. I'm not sure what they do to you when you're trying to come back with insufficient identification. So if you have a passport, its easier to bring that I would think. Mike >given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross >into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just >needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, >nothing happened. > >anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow >bridge)? > >uri > From warthurton at arthurton.com Mon Jun 14 08:53:13 2004 From: warthurton at arthurton.com (Wayne A. Arthurton) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Re: passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <40CD9C6C.7080706@matchevents.com> References: <200406121701.i5CH12rp013067@www.pm.org> <40CD9C6C.7080706@matchevents.com> Message-ID: <40CDADC9.40700@arthurton.com> I agree with Mike. I used to cross the border weekly. I always carried my passport, but they actually infrequently looked at it. I have crosssed w/o either, but it isn't as easy to do as it used to be. So if you have your Birt Certificate or passport bring it. If you are not a US Citizen, make sure you go to the special alien departure area (sounds very sci-fi) that is just past the toll on any of the bridges across. Wayne Mike McClain wrote: > Uri, > Last time I went into Canada and back ( I walked over at Niagara > Falls), they required > 1. Passport > or > 2. Drivers license AND birth certificate. > > If I hadn't been with more knowledgeable people I would not have known > about the birth certificate requirement. I'm not sure what they do to > you when you're trying to come back with insufficient identification. > So if you have a passport, its easier to bring that I would think. > > Mike > >> given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross >> into canada for tourist stuff? in my previous forays north, i just >> needed my driver's license and in some cases at small town crossovers, >> nothing happened. >> >> anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow >> bridge)? >> >> uri >> > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From merlyn at stonehenge.com Mon Jun 14 10:43:08 2004 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <86n03687sj.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Just as an added note, if you have any kind of criminal record (even a misdemeanor from 10 years ago), do not attempt to enter Canada from the US. Yes, I know this from personal experience. :) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From dha at panix.com Mon Jun 14 11:29:22 2004 From: dha at panix.com (David H. Adler) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <86n03687sj.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> References: <86n03687sj.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> Message-ID: <20040614162922.GA26955@panix.com> On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 08:43:08AM -0700, Randal L. Schwartz wrote: > > Just as an added note, if you have any kind of criminal record (even > a misdemeanor from 10 years ago), do not attempt to enter Canada from > the US. > > Yes, I know this from personal experience. :) And, I don't know if this is still the case, but Canada took a heck of a long time to declare WWII over, so if you were born in Germany, that might be a problem. I, too, know this from personal experience, but not my own. :-) dha, notes that, really, this probably isn't a problem any more. -- David H. Adler - - http://www.panix.com/~dha/ ... nononono. And to use nonononono just to negate that is, uhm, confusing. Someone might think I'm stuttering. - Abigail, p5p From somian at orchidacea.dyndns.org Mon Jun 14 13:53:01 2004 From: somian at orchidacea.dyndns.org (Soren Andersen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> References: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> Message-ID: <20040614185301.GA7718@69-162-169-9.bflony.adelphia.net> > == On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:11:33PM -0400, James Keenan wrote: >> == On Jun 11, 2004, at 11:55 AM, Uri Guttman wrote: > >given all the security hoopla, should i bring my passport just to cross > >into canada for tourist stuff? > >anyone know the current trends at niagara falls (like over rainbow > >bridge)? > 4. Uri: Given the above, I would recommend taking the Maid of the > Mist from the U.S. side, so as to not waste time crossing the border on > a peak traffic summer weekend. IMHO absolutely crucial. There is no difference in what you'll see (it's the same gorge beneath the falls) and why give the Canadians the tourist dollars? (No slight intended to our Canadian brethren, but) NF NY USA is a chronically depressed area economically and ought to be the place where this outing is undertaken-from. Furthermore, needless border crossing at this uncertain time == bad thinking. Best, Soren A -- x----------------------------------------------------------------------x | The greatest woes of the programmer? | | Serotonine deficiency, caffeine deprivation and the | | unbearable roar of the birds. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | (.sig by Nicolas Kratz) | Soren A. / perlspinr / Intrepid / somian | x----------------------------------------------------------------------x -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <66D69DC9-BE39-11D8-BE18-000A9588183A@buffalo.edu> YAPC is almost here, so here are some last minute details to make things run smoothly: * Parking: you cannot park just anywhere on campus. We have Governors D and E lots reserved for the conference. If you park elsewhere, you will get a ticket. The parking lot is a bit of a walk from the conference building, so if you have special needs, let us know. No, toting a heavy laptop is not a special need. * Please check-in early! Registration/check-in will be open Tuesday from 4-8PM in the conference building (NSC). If you arrive on Tuesday, please stop over. This will orient you to the campus a bit and prevent us from having a line on Wednesday morning. * Lunches are not provided, but there are several places on campus to get lunch. They have been alerted that you are all coming, and we'll have some menus. We'll also have directions to help you find the food areas. We will provide breakfast and afternoon snacks. * Wednesday night movie: This has generated lot's of chatter, so here are the details as I have them. We do have the theater to ourselves, so the MST3K comments will only bother other Perlites. The movie starts at 10PM, and they have asked us to arrive by 9:30 to get everyone in. There will be concession stands open for us. As Uri has mentioned, you need to find the social director to get a ticket. We will also be handing them out on Wednesday some time. We have about 100 total, and they are $8.50 each for extras if you can't get a free one and want to go. * Thursday night, 7-11 we are having the conference dinner at the University Inn, and this is covered as part of your registration--translation: you already paid for it! This will be a buffet dinner with a cash bar. After dinner, we'll have the auction, and we have some great stuff to auction off this year. * To access the wireless in the building, you'll need a username/password. If you registered before last Thursday, you'll get this info with your registration packet. If you registered after then, you'll have to wait until later in the day Wednesday when we get some more assigned. For up-to-date info, check the website and the kwiki. As I mentioned before, the kwiki isn't "official" with regard to attendees or dorm reservations, but we do sometimes use it to post general information. http://yapc.org/America/ http://yapc.kwiki.org/ See you all soon!! Jim ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From somian at orchidacea.dyndns.org Mon Jun 14 17:25:23 2004 From: somian at orchidacea.dyndns.org (Soren Andersen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Kwiki Upgrade In-Reply-To: <20040614102735.GA19993@ttul.org> References: <20040614102735.GA19993@ttul.org> Message-ID: <20040614222523.GB7718@69-162-169-9.bflony.adelphia.net> On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 03:27:35AM -0700, Brian Ingerson wrote: > I've been working round the clock for the last week and my gf is ready > to dump me for it, but I've managed to bring a completely new Kwiki to > the YAPC::NA site. It looks really great, Ingy. Kudos++. Thanks for all that work. Soren A. -- x----------------------------------------------------------------------x | The greatest woes of the programmer? | | Serotonine deficiency, caffeine deprivation and the | | unbearable roar of the birds. | |----------------------------------------------------------------------| | (.sig by Nicolas Kratz) | Soren A. / perlspinr / Intrepid / somian | x----------------------------------------------------------------------x From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 14 17:32:18 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where do I go to get the dorm key? Message-ID: <20040614223217.GM17852@perlsupport.com> I'm in the dorms, and I know I can get the dorm key when I arrive, but I don't know *where* to get it. Which hall? Which room in the hall? Etc. -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From pikus13 at verizon.net Mon Jun 14 17:35:54 2004 From: pikus13 at verizon.net (pikus) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Finally I can post! References: <20040607151634.GA5708@perlsupport.com><20040607153005.GC12761@waltman.dnsalias.org><20040607155257.GC5708@perlsupport.com> <022f01c44ca8$70dd8940$ecac5341@SIORLANDO.COM> Message-ID: <001501c4525f$f4b35260$a31e0a0a@lan859b198> YAPC awaits me. To Buffalo I shal go: Mecca of the geeks. Jason Love "I want to live 'till I die. No More. No less." - Eddie Izzard From chris at cwinters.com Mon Jun 14 18:06:50 2004 From: chris at cwinters.com (Chris Winters) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] air conditioning? Message-ID: <8479060C-BE57-11D8-99AD-000A95DBDB3A@cwinters.com> Apologies if I missed this, but do the seminar rooms at the university have air conditioning? If so: is it turned on for non-paying slugs like us? Chris -- Chris Winters Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 From jkeen at verizon.net Mon Jun 14 18:14:26 2004 From: jkeen at verizon.net (James Keenan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism In-Reply-To: <20040613163625.GB13272@waltman.dnsalias.org> References: <2C748A43-BC8B-11D8-B774-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> <20040613163625.GB13272@waltman.dnsalias.org> Message-ID: <94B146FC-BE58-11D8-B893-000D932B9CD4@verizon.net> On Jun 13, 2004, at 12:36 PM, Walt Mankowski wrote: > On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 12:11:33PM -0400, James Keenan wrote: >> 3. The time needed to pass through Customs and Immigration varies >> maddeningly. > > I think I did that border crossing yesterday. (Is it the one you hit > when taking I-190?) If you went to Lewiston, north of Niagara Falls, then yes. (However, you would also be taking I-190 to the Peace Bridge, which is in the city of Buffalo proper. > It only took me a few minutes. The Canadian > border guy asked me a few token questions and sent me on my way. He > didn't even ask to see any ID, not even a driver's license. > > However, the other way was another story entirely. Traffic was backed > up quite a ways going back into the US. > Then you had the same experience I did a month and a half ago. jimk From rcaputo at pobox.com Mon Jun 14 18:33:01 2004 From: rcaputo at pobox.com (Rocco Caputo) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] GPS waypoints Message-ID: <20040614233301.GY78244@eyrie.homenet> I'm collecting GPS waypoints for YAPC landmarks. So far I have: Anchor Bar Buffalo/Niagra Int'l Airport Center for Computational Researche (approx) Hampton Inn Holiday Inn Buffalo/Amherst Maid of the Mist Regal IMAX Sean Patrick's University Inn YAPC conference rooms (approx) I still need names/addresses for: The YAPC dorms. Other hotels where people are staying. Other strange attractors in the area. I'll be posting waypoint coordinates on the wiki and can broadcast waypoints to anyone with a RINO. -- Rocco Caputo rcaputo@pobox.com http://poe.perl.org/ From leo.susanto at unstructured.info Mon Jun 14 18:47:45 2004 From: leo.susanto at unstructured.info (Leo Susanto) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? In-Reply-To: <9694214C2B3D0549B6950A5B2986149CA351A5@citmail.cit.buffalo.edu> Message-ID: <3C4394E8-BE5D-11D8-BF71-000393A374B4@unstructured.info> Donna, I tried sending emails to you directly but they all bounced. Could you please confirm that I am in the dorm list? Type of floor: Male. Leo On Monday, June 7, 2004, at 01:15 PM, Loliger, Donna wrote: > Ken - > You are on the dorm list. > Donna > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kenneth Moyle [mailto:moylek@mcmaster.ca] > Sent: Monday, June 07, 2004 8:03 AM > To: yapc@mail.pm.org > Subject: [yapc] Where Did I Go? > > > My name no longer appears on > http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?Attendees. Should I take a hint? Or > should I just re-add myself? Most worrisome: I don't see my name of > the dorm list. I note that my name still appears in the chnage log: > > http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?RecentChanges > > Need I be concerned? > > Regards, > > Ken Moyle > > Kenneth C. Moyle > -> Analyst, Research & High-Performance Computing Support > -> moylek@mcmaster.ca - (905) 525-9140 X26872 > -> http://newman.mcmaster.ca/~moylek > McMaster University - Hamilton, Ontario (Canada) > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > From eye at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 14 18:52:32 2004 From: eye at buffalo.edu (Kevin Eye) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] air conditioning? In-Reply-To: <8479060C-BE57-11D8-99AD-000A95DBDB3A@cwinters.com> References: <8479060C-BE57-11D8-99AD-000A95DBDB3A@cwinters.com> Message-ID: The rooms are all air conditioned. The weather outside should be quite warm and humid (75-80-ish), and more comfortable in the evening. http://www.weather.com/weather/local/14260?lswe=14260 - Kevin On Jun 14, 2004, at 7:06 PM, Chris Winters wrote: > Apologies if I missed this, but do the seminar rooms at the university > have air conditioning? If so: is it turned on for non-paying slugs > like us? > > Chris > > -- > Chris Winters > Creating enterprise-capable snack systems since 1988 > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Kevin Eye Web Applications Developer Creative Services and Marketing University at Buffalo 330 Crofts Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 eye@buffalo.edu phone (716) 645-5000 x1435 fax (716) 645-3765 From cbrandt at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 14 19:35:30 2004 From: cbrandt at buffalo.edu (Jim Brandt) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Where do I go to get the dorm key? In-Reply-To: <20040614223217.GM17852@perlsupport.com> References: <20040614223217.GM17852@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: To check into the dorm rooms, report to the head office for the Governors Dorm complex. That office is in Lehman Hall. If you go to the UB website [http://www.buffalo.edu] and do a search on Lehman, you'll see a map with the location. On the map, you'll see a road that runs by the Governors complex on the east side. If you walk up the slight hill on on that side, you should be right in front of Lehman Hall. I believe the main office is just inside the doors. The dorm complex is across the road from the Natural Sciences Complex (NSC) where the conference sessions will be. If you arrive Tuesday between 4PM and 8PM, we'll have a YAPC rep there to greet you. Outside that time, the regular housing folks will be there. Jim On Jun 14, 2004, at 6:32 PM, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > I'm in the dorms, and I know I can get the dorm key when I arrive, but > I don't know *where* to get it. Which hall? Which room in the hall? > Etc. > -- > Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - > '"Bob" is two dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > ================================ Jim Brandt YAPC Coordinator YAPC::NA::2004 University at Buffalo Buffalo, NY From chip at pobox.com Mon Jun 14 19:57:10 2004 From: chip at pobox.com (Chip Salzenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Laundry (was Re: Where do I go to get the dorm key?) In-Reply-To: References: <20040614223217.GM17852@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <20040615005710.GP17852@perlsupport.com> According to Jim Brandt: > The dorm complex is across the road from the Natural Sciences Complex > (NSC) where the conference sessions will be. By request, I have an additional question: Are there coin-op laundries in the dorms? If not, could someone suggest a laundromat near campus? -- Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - '"Bob" is two-dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' From eye at buffalo.edu Mon Jun 14 20:08:42 2004 From: eye at buffalo.edu (Kevin Eye) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:46 2004 Subject: [yapc] Laundry (was Re: Where do I go to get the dorm key?) In-Reply-To: <20040615005710.GP17852@perlsupport.com> References: <20040614223217.GM17852@perlsupport.com> <20040615005710.GP17852@perlsupport.com> Message-ID: <8AF51AA8-BE68-11D8-B2C0-000393D1C5F2@buffalo.edu> There are coin-operated laundry facilities in the dorms, but I have no idea if they'll be open (unlocked). There are some laundromats listed in the phone book (watch out for the extra long URL): http://www.yellowpages.com/SearchResult.aspx? state=NY&city=Amherst&function=Search+Category+By+Id&street=Flint+%26+Ma ple&distance=5&searchcategory=5103 - Kevin On Jun 14, 2004, at 8:57 PM, Chip Salzenberg wrote: > According to Jim Brandt: >> The dorm complex is across the road from the Natural Sciences Complex >> (NSC) where the conference sessions will be. > > By request, I have an additional question: Are there coin-op laundries > in the dorms? If not, could someone suggest a laundromat near campus? > -- > Chip Salzenberg - a.k.a. - > '"Bob" is two-dimensional, and that is what gives Him such depth.' > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > -- Kevin Eye Web Applications Developer Creative Services and Marketing University at Buffalo 330 Crofts Hall Buffalo, NY 14260 eye@buffalo.edu phone (716) 645-5000 x1435 fax (716) 645-3765 From kenneth.rich at rochester.edu Tue Jun 15 08:02:51 2004 From: kenneth.rich at rochester.edu (kenneth.rich@rochester.edu) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] passport and tourism Message-ID: <200406151302.i5FD2psj004379@lursa.cc.rochester.edu> > > It only took me a few minutes. The Canadian > > border guy asked me a few token questions and sent me on my way. He > > didn't even ask to see any ID, not even a driver's license. > > > > However, the other way was another story entirely. Traffic was backed > > up quite a ways going back into the US. I went to Canada May 1 and returned to the US May 2 and it was zip zip zip both ways. No ID required, coupla questions. That was at the Rainbow bridge, I think it is, the one right by the Falls. -- -ken rich Every once in a while, it is a good idea to call out, "Computer, end program!" just to check. --David Noelle kenneth.rich(a)rochester.edu From michaelm at umich.edu Thu Jun 17 18:12:25 2004 From: michaelm at umich.edu (Michael McClennen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Late attendee Message-ID: Hi! I wasn't sure that I would be able to make YAPC this year, but it turns out that I am going to be near Buffalo tomorrow and want to stop by for at least the morning session. I'm happy to pay the entire registration fee, as a way to support YAS. Can someone tell me who to talk to in order to get properly registered on Friday morning? -- Michael McClennen From michaelm at umich.edu Thu Jun 17 21:26:24 2004 From: michaelm at umich.edu (Michael McClennen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Ride to Toronto post-conference? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I need to get to Toronto on Friday after the conference. Is there anyone who can give me a ride? -- Michael McClennen From alexbeamish at yahoo.com Thu Jun 17 23:08:12 2004 From: alexbeamish at yahoo.com (alex beamish) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Ride to Toronto post-conference? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20040618040812.98440.qmail@web52603.mail.yahoo.com> --- Michael McClennen wrote: > I need to get to Toronto on Friday after the > conference. Is there > anyone who can give me a ride? Michael, I am currently (I believe) talking on nother Michael back to Toronto and can offer you a ride after the last session. I'm pretty sure. Let's see if we can hook up Friday and we'll see what we can arrange. Alex ps Look on the photo wall of attendees -- my (ugly) picture's there somewhere. __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Address AutoComplete - You start. We finish. http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail From pboin at intertechconsulting.net Fri Jun 18 12:13:07 2004 From: pboin at intertechconsulting.net (Paul Boin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Looking for the YAPC CD Message-ID: <200406181313.07066.pboin@intertechconsulting.net> Unfortunately, I was signed up for the conference, but 'real' work got in the way. Would it be appropriate for me to ask for a copy of the CD? At least that way I walk away with a little something... If that's appropriate, would someone please send me a copy? I'd of course pay my own way. Thanks, and hopefully I'll make it next time. YAPC CD Wiki page: http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?YapcCD -- Paul Boin http://www.intertechconsulting.net (717) 382-9711 From michaelm at umich.edu Fri Jun 18 11:52:48 2004 From: michaelm at umich.edu (Michael McClennen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Ride to Toronto no longer needed, alas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Alas, my plans have changed and I have left the conference early. So if anyone tapes Damian's talk, can you send me/point me to a copy? Also, I no longer have need of a ride to Toronto :( -- Michael McClennen From michaelm at umich.edu Fri Jun 18 12:10:12 2004 From: michaelm at umich.edu (Michael McClennen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Ride to Toronto no longer needed, alas In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5C38165A-C14A-11D8-8C9B-000393C81FFA@umich.edu> Alas, my plans have changed and I have left the conference early. So if anyone tapes Damian's talk, can you send me/point me to a copy? Also, I no longer have need of a ride to Toronto :( -- Michael McClennen From merlyn at stonehenge.com Fri Jun 18 13:34:52 2004 From: merlyn at stonehenge.com (Randal L. Schwartz) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Looking for the YAPC CD In-Reply-To: <200406181313.07066.pboin@intertechconsulting.net> References: <200406181313.07066.pboin@intertechconsulting.net> Message-ID: <863c4svho3.fsf@blue.stonehenge.com> >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Boin writes: Paul> Unfortunately, I was signed up for the conference, but 'real' work got Paul> in the way. Would it be appropriate for me to ask for a copy of the Paul> CD? At least that way I walk away with a little something... Paul> If that's appropriate, would someone please send me a copy? I'd of Paul> course pay my own way. Paul> Thanks, and hopefully I'll make it next time. Paul> YAPC CD Wiki page: Paul> http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?YapcCD Please keep in mind that there's at least *one* set of materials (ours) on the CD for which duplicating the entire CD for non-YAPC attendees would be a copyright violation. However, since you said you were signed up for YAPC, we'll look the other way. :-) -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 Perl/Unix/security consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See PerlTraining.Stonehenge.com for onsite and open-enrollment Perl training! From schwern.michael at grantstreet.com Fri Jun 18 18:10:32 2004 From: schwern.michael at grantstreet.com (Michael Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] MST3K BoF 9pm tonite Message-ID: For anyone still reading this, at 9pm tonite in NSC 225 (that's the big lecture hall) we'll be watching an episode or two of MST3K. See http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?MSTieBOF for details. From wlkngowl at i-2000.com Sat Jun 19 18:09:03 2004 From: wlkngowl at i-2000.com (Robert Rothenberg) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Things to do Saturday night... Message-ID: <40D4C78F.4070405@i-2000.com> Some of us are still here until Sunday morning and are looking for things to do tonight (Saturday night). Any plans or recommendations? Rob From dbryan at geowebhouse.com Sun Jun 20 21:25:16 2004 From: dbryan at geowebhouse.com (Derek Bryan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YapcCD References: Message-ID: <00b201c45736$fdc9d550$ecac5341@SIORLANDO.COM> I attended YAPC::NA::2004, but didn't realize that the only way to get the YAPC CD was while I was /at/ the conference. Is there some way I can download it now, after the fact? Please advise. -Derek From tom at legrady.ca Sun Jun 20 22:29:37 2004 From: tom at legrady.ca (Tom Legrady) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [yapc] YapcCD] Message-ID: <40D65621.9050807@legrady.ca> For Toronto people ... I am burning copies to share with Toronto YAPC attendees. Of course, if you can't make it to Torotno on Thursday, you'll have to butter up someone Tom Legrady TomDLux @ PerlMonk Derek Bryan wrote: >I attended YAPC::NA::2004, but didn't realize that the only way to get the >YAPC CD was while I was /at/ the conference. Is there some way I can >download it now, after the fact? > >Please advise. >-Derek > >_______________________________________________ >yapc mailing list >yapc@mail.pm.org >http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc > >. > > > From pboin at intertechconsulting.net Mon Jun 21 06:42:48 2004 From: pboin at intertechconsulting.net (Paul Boin) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [Fwd: Re: [yapc] YapcCD] In-Reply-To: <40D65621.9050807@legrady.ca> References: <40D65621.9050807@legrady.ca> Message-ID: <200406210742.48368.pboin@intertechconsulting.net> On Sunday 20 June 2004 11:29 pm, Tom Legrady wrote: > For Toronto people ... I am burning copies to share with Toronto > YAPC attendees. > Of course, if you can't make it to Torotno on Thursday, you'll have > to butter up someone Uhhh... I've seen the conference photos, and I'd just as not thing about buttering up *anyone*, thanks. (Now, if you laughed, maybe put me on your list? I'm paid up but had to cancel, and would like to check out what little bit I still can.) -- Paul Boin http://www.intertechconsulting.net (717) 382-9711 From michaelm at umich.edu Sun Jun 20 23:54:48 2004 From: michaelm at umich.edu (Michael McClennen) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YapcCD In-Reply-To: <00b201c45736$fdc9d550$ecac5341@SIORLANDO.COM> References: <00b201c45736$fdc9d550$ecac5341@SIORLANDO.COM> Message-ID: <1F329DFE-C33F-11D8-9E99-000393C81FFA@umich.edu> I actually attended the conference, but only for Friday morning (and I had to leave early on Friday.) So, is there any way for me to get the CD? -- Michael McClennen From yapc2004 at majcher.com Mon Jun 21 11:50:35 2004 From: yapc2004 at majcher.com (yapc2004@majcher.com) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YapcCD Message-ID: <200406211650.i5LGoZZx002796@majcher.com> Count me among those who registered, but were unable to attend, and therefore did not have the opportunity to get a CD. If there's any way, much appreciative, and so on. -- DVS "Those who are easily shocked should be shocked more often." -Mae West From dbryan at geowebhouse.com Wed Jun 23 12:50:34 2004 From: dbryan at geowebhouse.com (Derek Bryan) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA::2004 Message-ID: <04e501c4594a$95809360$ecac5341@SIORLANDO.COM> Does anyone have video of Damian Conway's presentation of Sufficiently Advanced Technology? I'd like to review it again :/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/private/yapc/attachments/20040623/ab1b0d94/attachment.htm From tim at consultix-inc.com Thu Jun 24 20:55:32 2004 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Tim Maher's slides on-line Message-ID: <20040625015532.GA5499@jumpy.consultix-inc.com> I didn't get it together in time to make the CD distribution, but I've just put up the slides of my 3 talks (on Minimal Perl, and Magicpoint-EZ topics) at http://yapc.kwiki.org/index.cgi?TimMaher Enjoy 8-} -Tim *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* | Tim Maher, CEO (206) 781-UNIX (866) DOC-PERL (866) DOC-UNIX | | tim(AT)Consultix-Inc.Com http://TeachMePerl.Com http://TeachMeUnix.Com | *+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-* | UPCOMING CLASSES: "UNIX Fundamentals for Power Users", 6/28-7/1, Seattle | | Watch for my upcoming book: "Minimal Perl for Shell Users & Programmers" | *--------------------------------------------------------------------------* From jkeen at verizon.net Fri Jun 25 15:53:13 2004 From: jkeen at verizon.net (jkeen@verizon.net) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Damian Conway / Small Miracles / NYC Mon June 28 Message-ID: <20040625205313.OXOH3910.out005.verizon.net@outgoing.verizon.net> Damian Conway will be speaking in New York City as follows: Monday, June 28, 7:00 pm Oxford University Press (main conference room) 198 Madison Avenue (corner of East 35 St) Topic: Small Miracles (Thanks to Jesse Sheidlower for facilitating the location and David H. Adler for making arrangements.) From wnodom at tmtowtdi.com Tue Jun 29 00:44:31 2004 From: wnodom at tmtowtdi.com (Bill Odom) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Time to freeze the wiki? Message-ID: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> Some jerk keeps spamming the yapc kwiki. Is it time to freeze and archive it? Or is there a better way to solve this problem? Bill From schwern.michael at grantstreet.com Tue Jun 29 07:03:43 2004 From: schwern.michael at grantstreet.com (Michael Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Time to freeze the wiki? In-Reply-To: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> References: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> Message-ID: <5E3B9ADA-C9C4-11D8-95DE-000D93685ADA@grantstreet.com> On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:44 AM, Bill Odom wrote: > Some jerk keeps spamming the yapc kwiki. Is it time to freeze and > archive > it? Or is there a better way to solve this problem? Block the IP? From JWMILLER at iup.edu Tue Jun 29 09:33:52 2004 From: JWMILLER at iup.edu (John Miller) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA::2004 CD Message-ID: <002401c45de6$19cc7ef0$c9805090@adm.iup.edu> Greetings, I registered for YAPC::NA::2004 but coulf not attend. Any way I can get a conference CD? thanks jwmiller@iup.edu From rthreet at usi.edu Tue Jun 29 10:32:04 2004 From: rthreet at usi.edu (Robert Threet) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA::2004 CD In-Reply-To: <002401c45de6$19cc7ef0$c9805090@adm.iup.edu> References: <002401c45de6$19cc7ef0$c9805090@adm.iup.edu> Message-ID: <1088523124.12148.110.camel@br-549> Did this ever get answered? Is there an ISO we can download? On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 09:33, John Miller wrote: > Greetings, > > I registered for YAPC::NA::2004 but coulf not attend. > > Any way I can get a conference CD? > > thanks > > jwmiller@iup.edu > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc -- Robert Threet Systems Manager USI Computer Center x1082 From rcaputo at pobox.com Tue Jun 29 11:02:12 2004 From: rcaputo at pobox.com (Rocco Caputo) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Time to freeze the wiki? In-Reply-To: <5E3B9ADA-C9C4-11D8-95DE-000D93685ADA@grantstreet.com> References: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> <5E3B9ADA-C9C4-11D8-95DE-000D93685ADA@grantstreet.com> Message-ID: <20040629160212.GC78244@eyrie.homenet> On Tue, Jun 29, 2004 at 08:03:43AM -0400, Michael Schwern wrote: > On Jun 29, 2004, at 1:44 AM, Bill Odom wrote: > >Some jerk keeps spamming the yapc kwiki. Is it time to freeze and > >archive > >it? Or is there a better way to solve this problem? > > Block the IP? Hi! IP blocking didn't help when I tried it with POE's wiki. Spammers would just switch addresses every few days. The URLs would repeat, though, so I added content blocks. Pages couldn't be saved with known spam URLs. This didn't last long. Either the number of wiki spammers is increasing, or they just change the URLs they post. A week ago I made signups mandatory before pages could be edited. So far the spammers don't want to identify themselves (or maybe their software can't handle cookies yet). Wiki signups are trivial, though, so I'm not counting on them to block spammers forever. A lot of wiki spammers seem to be search engine "optimizer" companies. They like wikis because the old page revisions tend to be indexed. Scrubbing the spam off the visible site doesn't prevent search engines from finding the old links and boosting the spammer's GoogleRank(tm). The workaround I've read about (and added to POE's wiki) is to include on past revisions of a page. Seriously crossing my fingers there. -- Rocco Caputo - http://poe.perl.org/ From shehanmc at HBCS.Org Tue Jun 29 12:29:39 2004 From: shehanmc at HBCS.Org (MICHAEL SHEHAN) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] YAPC::NA::2004 CD In-Reply-To: <1088523124.12148.110.camel@br-549> References: <002401c45de6$19cc7ef0$c9805090@adm.iup.edu> Message-ID: <40E160B3.30858.9EC8E1@localhost> I also had to leave early which prevented me from downloading the conference CD. YAPC was great and I would really like to have a copy of the material covered. I would appreciate any information. Thanks, Michael Shehan shehanmc@hbcs.org > Did this ever get answered? Is there an ISO we can download? > > On Tue, 2004-06-29 at 09:33, John Miller wrote: > > Greetings, > > > > I registered for YAPC::NA::2004 but coulf not attend. > > > > Any way I can get a conference CD? > > > > thanks > > > > jwmiller@iup.edu > > From ingy at ttul.org Tue Jun 29 12:04:15 2004 From: ingy at ttul.org (Brian Ingerson) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Time to freeze the wiki? In-Reply-To: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> References: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> Message-ID: <20040629170415.GC4028@ttul.org> I can freeze it if there are more spammers than people to maintain it. Give me the word. On 29/06/04 00:44 -0500, Bill Odom wrote: > Some jerk keeps spamming the yapc kwiki. Is it time to freeze and archive > it? Or is there a better way to solve this problem? > > Bill > > > _______________________________________________ > yapc mailing list > yapc@mail.pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/yapc From peter.masiar at yale.edu Tue Jun 29 12:26:39 2004 From: peter.masiar at yale.edu (Peter Masiar) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Time to freeze the wiki? In-Reply-To: <20040629170415.GC4028@ttul.org> References: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> <20040629170415.GC4028@ttul.org> Message-ID: <40E1A64F.2060001@yale.edu> Brian Ingerson wrote: > I can freeze it if there are more spammers than people to maintain it. > Give me the word. Maybe freeze it, with a note at front page, saying: "if any further communication is needed, we have email list". -- Peter Masiar, From schwern.michael at grantstreet.com Tue Jun 29 13:03:25 2004 From: schwern.michael at grantstreet.com (Michael Schwern) Date: Mon Aug 2 21:39:47 2004 Subject: [yapc] Time to freeze the wiki? In-Reply-To: <20040629170415.GC4028@ttul.org> References: <1565.24.217.151.91.1088487871.squirrel@24.217.151.91> <20040629170415.GC4028@ttul.org> Message-ID: <9DC49798-C9F6-11D8-95DE-000D93685ADA@grantstreet.com> On 29/06/04 00:44 -0500, Bill Odom wrote: > Some jerk keeps spamming the yapc kwiki. Is it time to freeze and > archive > it? Or is there a better way to solve this problem? Maybe put up a little guilt note on the front page. "YOUR WIKI SPAM BOT IS PROBABLY WRITTEN IN PERL. DON'T BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU." Ok, that's not likely to work. Other option: Wiki spam bots probably have simple rules for each flavor of wiki. If one makes yapc.kwiki.org a little different from the stock kwiki it will probably break most of the spam bots. They probably won't put in the investment to work around one special case, spamming is about volume. I'll bet if you just change the CGI attribute name of the edit