From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Wed Nov  1 17:39:29 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Wed, 1 Nov 2006 19:39:29 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] keynote speaker request etiquette
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> I'm about to try and nail down the keynote speakers and want to know if
> there is any certain etiquette about it.  I'll be contacting Larry (via
> Gloria) and Damian for sure.  I know that Bill is on this list and he did a
> keynote in Chicago, giving an update on TPF.  I'm pretty sure that we'll
> want to do it again for 2007, so Bill, if you have a preference for how
> you'd like to be asked, let me know ;-)

Larry and personal emails, even through Gloria, can be a little slow
in coming.  I ended up getting nervous and calling Larry when I didn't
hear from him or Gloria after a few weeks.  Of course, he expects that
he'll be a speaker at YAPC... we were really just calling to confirm
that the YAPC dates were good for him.  Regardless, his number is
pretty easy to look up in the white pages, but he does discourage
calling at wall.org

From wnodom at tmtowtdi.com  Wed Nov  1 22:11:51 2006
From: wnodom at tmtowtdi.com (Bill Odom)
Date: Thu, 2 Nov 2006 00:11:51 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] keynote speaker request etiquette
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(Re-sending, since the list didn't like my Gmail address.)

On 10/31/06, Jeremy Fluhmann <jeremy at msc.tamu.edu> wrote:
> I know that Bill is on this list and he did a
> keynote in Chicago, giving an update on TPF.  I'm pretty sure that we'll
> want to do it again for 2007, so Bill, if you have a preference for how
> you'd like to be asked, let me know ;-)

I suggest asking me on a semi-public mailing list. :-)

So sure, I'd be happy to speak. Thanks for asking.

Bill

P.S. - This time I promise to wear a watch.

From will.willis at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 08:29:12 2006
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:29:12 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090611070829g197672e5vacf9bccb84ad33b9@mail.gmail.com>

I'm kicking ideas around in my head regarding this year's t-shirt
design, the design of the 2007 site, and other promotional materials
related the next YAPC.

Does anyone know if Yet Another Society / YAPC organizers have
permission to use the camel in association with YAPC conferences, or
do we need to ask for permission each year? If so, to whom should I/we
send the request?

On this subject, does anyone have any Texas/Houston specific ideas
that might be fun to incorporate into this year's logo/t-shirt?

Thanks,
Will Willis

From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu  Tue Nov  7 08:52:57 2006
From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:52:57 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
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Will Willis wrote:

> On this subject, does anyone have any Texas/Houston specific ideas
> that might be fun to incorporate into this year's logo/t-shirt?

I noticed on 'use Perl' some of the comments on the announcement: http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=32799 <http://use.perl.org/comments.pl?sid=32799> 
 
---------------------
 
"Houston, we have a Perl Conference" -- djberg96
 
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"Houston, Perl Base here. The camel has landed." -- Sherm
 
---------------------
 
"One small step for Perl, one giant leap for Perlkind."  -- djberg96

I can see it now, a t-shirt with a picture of a camel wearing a space helmet on the moon, next to a TPF flag....or something.  -- djberg96

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From richard.dice at gmail.com  Tue Nov  7 09:37:19 2006
From: richard.dice at gmail.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:37:19 -0500
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
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> Does anyone know if Yet Another Society / YAPC organizers have
> permission to use the camel in association with YAPC conferences, or
> do we need to ask for permission each year?


The answer is explicitly "no."  We do not have permission, nor will
permission ever be given.  Welcome to the wonderful world of trademark law.
I had this discussion with O'Reilly's IP lawyer a few years ago.

Which isn't to say that a camel can't be used at all.  You just can't use
the O'Reilly Perl Camel. (You know the one I mean.)  You can make your own
camel and use it.  Here is the one we came up with for Toronto's YAPC a few
years ago:

http://wiki.yapctoronto.org/theme/yapc_toronto/images/camoose.gif

On this subject, does anyone have any Texas/Houston specific ideas
> that might be fun to incorporate into this year's logo/t-shirt?


Perhaps you could make a "Carmadillo"?

But, on another point -- don't forget, The Camel is an O'Reilly Perl thing.
The Perl Foundation uses an Onion logo.  Maybe Onion adaptations is what
should be aimed for.

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Richard
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From petek at bsod.net  Tue Nov  7 09:46:01 2006
From: petek at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:46:01 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
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Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
From: Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 10:29:12 -0600

}Does anyone know if Yet Another Society / YAPC organizers have
}permission to use the camel in association with YAPC conferences, or
}do we need to ask for permission each year? If so, to whom should I/we
}send the request?

Permission must be granted every year from O'Reilly Legal.  Our contact 
last year was Karen Arrington <karena at oreilly.com>.

Thanks,
-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
  petek at bsod dot net
  http://www.petekrawczyk.com/

From petek at bsod.net  Tue Nov  7 09:55:43 2006
From: petek at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 11:55:43 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
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Subject: Re: [Yapc-na-organizers] use of Camel
From: Richard Dice <richard.dice at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2006 12:37:19 -0500

}The answer is explicitly "no."  We do not have permission, nor will
}permission ever be given.  Welcome to the wonderful world of trademark law.
}I had this discussion with O'Reilly's IP lawyer a few years ago.

Actually, we did get permission last year.  We were unable to alter the 
camel in any way, but we were permitted to decorate around it.  The image 
itself underwent a few revisions, but its use was approved in time for the 
t-shirts to be printed as they were.

Here's what O'Reilly Legal said:

>> Under normal circumstances we do not allow alterations of our camel
>> artwork, but we are making an exception to that rule for your proposed
>> design of the YAPC:NA 2006 t-shirt design.
>> This one-time permission is granted under the assumption that you will
>> only print the design on t-shirts to be given away as part of the
>> conference.

}Which isn't to say that a camel can't be used at all.  You just can't use
}the O'Reilly Perl Camel. (You know the one I mean.)  You can make your own
}camel and use it.

Actually, you got away with that because it was a camoose, not a camel.  
To wit, here's O'Reilly's official disclaimer:
  http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/a/oreilly/perl/usage/

}But, on another point -- don't forget, The Camel is an O'Reilly Perl thing.
}The Perl Foundation uses an Onion logo.  Maybe Onion adaptations is what
}should be aimed for.

I would second this wholeheartedly.

-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
  petek at bsod dot net
  http://www.petekrawczyk.com/

From will.willis at gmail.com  Sat Nov 25 06:27:07 2006
From: will.willis at gmail.com (Will Willis)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:27:07 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] YAPC Budget
Message-ID: <6ee1e6090611250627y73470c51na0f389a9d2234c2@mail.gmail.com>

Is there a document from last year's YAPC indicating a budget, or
actual expenses incurred on different items? I ask because I have come
in contact with a person in the t-shirt business, and before I ask for
a quote on the ~400 shirts I'd like to know a ballpark figure on what
we spent last year.

Thanks,
Will

From petek at bsod.net  Sat Nov 25 15:19:51 2006
From: petek at bsod.net (Pete Krawczyk)
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 17:19:51 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] YAPC Budget
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Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] YAPC Budget
From: Will Willis <will.willis at gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 25 Nov 2006 08:27:07 -0600

}Is there a document from last year's YAPC indicating a budget, or
}actual expenses incurred on different items? I ask because I have come
}in contact with a person in the t-shirt business, and before I ask for
}a quote on the ~400 shirts I'd like to know a ballpark figure on what
}we spent last year.

We didn't buy them, Google did.

Even from there, you really can't compare prices year-on-year like that.  
Market fluctuations due to location, etc. can really change prices.

Are they going to be full-color, two-color, or one-color?  Are you looking 
for a name-brand shirt, or is generic OK?  Did you want that printed on 
white (please don't - we wish we hadn't), grey, black...?  Do you want 
printing on both sides?  Will you prep the artwork or will you ask them 
to?  Do you want them printed or screened - and do you know what the 
tradeoffs are?

Finally, there's no harm in asking for a quote, since quotes aren't 
binding.  You should get a few before deciding on who you want to go with.  
And if you have a sponsor in mind, they might have their own preference.

Josh has all the budget numbers from last year, so if you want to know 
what we paid, you might want to mail him.  <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>

-Pete K
-- 
Pete Krawczyk
  petek at bsod dot net
  http://www.petekrawczyk.com/

From joshua.mcadams at gmail.com  Sun Nov 26 14:23:15 2006
From: joshua.mcadams at gmail.com (Joshua McAdams)
Date: Sun, 26 Nov 2006 16:23:15 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] YAPC Budget
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> Josh has all the budget numbers from last year, so if you want to know
> what we paid, you might want to mail him.  <joshua.mcadams at gmail.com>

I'm looking for the actual itemized cost of each size of shirt, but it
seems that I left the detailed invoice at my office.  We roughly paid
$4.50/shirt for all shirts <= XL and then a dollar extra for each
shirt and each size over XL... for instance: XXL = $5.50, XXXL =
$6.50.  Those numbers are from memory though, but they should be
close.

The company we used was "Shirts Our Business" at http://www.sobltd.com/.

From jeremy at msc.tamu.edu  Wed Nov 29 12:54:47 2006
From: jeremy at msc.tamu.edu (Jeremy Fluhmann)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:54:47 -0600
Subject: [Yapc-na-organizers] new Socialtext workspace for yapc-na 2007
Message-ID: <0EFEDF9D507FF6409CE7B4D24B20E7BF0120D656@xchng.msc.tamu.edu>

Just to let everyone on the yapc-na-organizers list know, 

 

G. Wade Johnson wrote:

> Thanks to Andy Lester, we now have a new SocialText-based 

> wiki for YAPC planning and coordination: 

> http://rakudo.org/yapc-houston/index.cgi

 

 

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