From grant at mclean.net.nz  Thu Feb  8 01:19:00 2018
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Thu, 08 Feb 2018 22:19:00 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Upcoming meetings
Message-ID: <1518081540.3072.31.camel@mclean.net.nz>

Hi Mongers

Sorry there have been no updates for a while.

The first important point is that there will *not* be a meeting next
Tuesday. ?I know you'll all have got your Lightning Talks prepared in
anticipation and that's great, a suitable date and time will be
forthcoming soon.

The next point is that I'm really keen to move forward with the idea of
combining some of the tech meetups in Wellington. ?To that end, I've
just sent a message to the "OpenChat" list hosted by the NZ Open Source
Society:

??http://groups.nzoss.org.nz/groups/openchat/

Have a read of that and let me know your thoughts, either by replying
on that list, or here on the Perl Mongers list, or direct to me.

Regards
Grant

From sam at crawley.nz  Thu Feb  8 16:04:58 2018
From: sam at crawley.nz (Sam Crawley)
Date: Fri, 9 Feb 2018 13:04:58 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Upcoming meetings
In-Reply-To: <1518081540.3072.31.camel@mclean.net.nz>
References: <1518081540.3072.31.camel@mclean.net.nz>
Message-ID: <CAD6swDGVqrC=5=hJtc6Ky3qY8C9t9wtfxRJK_OmQ3-2_mopwvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Grant: I understand why you'd want to merge groups, and you're right it's
probably time to do that.

It is nice having a smaller group where most people know each other.
Sometimes the larger groups can feel a bit impersonal and for new people
can seem a bit cliquey. Hopefully any new group can avoid that.

One problem I'd see though is that it does make the focus a lot less
specific. This probably will have a big effect on the content of talks. If
you're talking to an audience who mostly don't know Perl (and are not
really interested in learning about it), then (e.g.) there's not much point
talking about some obscure (but cool) new uses of Moose. I guess there will
be cases where there's some feature/module x which seems unique to Perl and
people who use other languages might be interested to learn about it. But a
lot of stuff tends to be "if you do things this way in Perl, this might
help you", but is not of much use to other people. The talk I did last year
on my game was probably only of interest to Perl devs. People can make
their talks a lot more general appeal, but that means some of the
interesting Perl stuff won't be getting discussed (at least to the same
degree).

A couple of other questions: will this merger mean that wellington.pm
disappears completely? Or will there still be occasional meetings?

Also, what are the other groups we might merge with?

And if there's not enough interest in merging (from this group or others),
what is the future of wellington.pm?

Thanks,
Sam.

On 8 February 2018 at 22:19, Grant McLean <grant at mclean.net.nz> wrote:

> Hi Mongers
>
> Sorry there have been no updates for a while.
>
> The first important point is that there will *not* be a meeting next
> Tuesday.  I know you'll all have got your Lightning Talks prepared in
> anticipation and that's great, a suitable date and time will be
> forthcoming soon.
>
> The next point is that I'm really keen to move forward with the idea of
> combining some of the tech meetups in Wellington.  To that end, I've
> just sent a message to the "OpenChat" list hosted by the NZ Open Source
> Society:
>
>   http://groups.nzoss.org.nz/groups/openchat/
>
> Have a read of that and let me know your thoughts, either by replying
> on that list, or here on the Perl Mongers list, or direct to me.
>
> Regards
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm
>
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From grant at mclean.net.nz  Thu Feb  8 16:34:16 2018
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Fri, 09 Feb 2018 13:34:16 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Upcoming meetings
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	<CAD6swDGVqrC=5=hJtc6Ky3qY8C9t9wtfxRJK_OmQ3-2_mopwvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1518136456.14066.81.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>

On Fri, 2018-02-09 at 13:04 +1300, Sam Crawley wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Grant: I understand why you'd want to merge groups, and you're right
> it's probably time to do that.
>
> It is nice having a smaller group where most people know each other.
> Sometimes the larger groups can feel a bit impersonal and for new
> people can seem a bit cliquey. Hopefully any new group can avoid that.

I agree.  Being welcoming to new people is crucially important and also
something that doesn't happen without deliberate consideration and
actions.  We can do better in this area.
> 
> One problem I'd see though is that it does make the focus a lot less
> specific. This probably will have a big effect on the content of
> talks. If you're talking to an audience who mostly don't know Perl
> (and are not really interested in learning about it), then (e.g.)
> there's not much point talking about some obscure (but cool) new uses
> of Moose.

I'm not sure I agree.  Taking Moose as a specific example, there may be
people who chose Python or Ruby over Perl because they wanted OO and
might be pleasantly surprised to find that Perl has a superior object
implementation :-)

Regardless of which group you're speaking to, there will always be
something on the slides that goes over some people's heads.

>  I guess there will be cases where there's some feature/module x which
> seems unique to Perl and people who use other languages might be
> interested to learn about it. But a lot of stuff tends to be "if you
> do things this way in Perl, this might help you", but is not of much
> use to other people. The talk I did last year on my game was probably
> only of interest to Perl devs. People can make their talks a lot more
> general appeal, but that means some of the interesting Perl stuff
> won't be getting discussed (at least to the same degree).

I'm not sure there have been many talks at Wellington.pm in the last
year that wouldn't fit in the sort of group I'm envisaging.
> 
> A couple of other questions: will this merger mean that wellington.pm
> disappears completely? Or will there still be occasional meetings?

There could certainly still be occasional meetings.

In the past when we've had international guest speakers (Damian Conway,
Peter Fenwick, Jacinta Richardson ...) I have promoted the meetings to a
wider audience and we had good-sized crowds along.

> Also, what are the other groups we might merge with?

In the first instance, I'm specifically thinking of WellyLUG.  People
from the Python group have been quite enthusiastic about the idea of
merging (the group leadership might not be so keen).
> 
> And if there's not enough interest in merging (from this group or
> others), what is the future of wellington.pm?

Probably it would be necessary for someone else to step up and run it.

> Thanks,
> Sam.

Thank you!
Grant

From grant at mclean.net.nz  Sun Feb 11 19:35:03 2018
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 16:35:03 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Meeting next week
Message-ID: <1518406503.14066.128.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>

Hi Mongers

Short story:
===========

A combined meeting of WellyLUG and Perl Mongers will happen either
Monday or Tuesday evening next week (6pm start).  I'll confirm the date
as soon as we know.

It will be a lightning talk meeting so if you haven't started preparing
your 5-minute talk yet, now is the time to do it.  Some pointers here:

  http://wellington.pm.org/lightning_talks.html

Sign up early and often.


Longer story:
============

Hugh Davenport who runs the WellyLUG (Linux Users Group) is on board
with the plan to combine forces into a larger group with a broader
focus.  However Hugh is off getting married at the moment and won't be
back on Monday.  He has deputised Michael Coleman to organise the
February lightning talk meeting.  Unfortunately there has been a
scheduling clash with the level three space at Catalyst on Monday night
so we may shift the meeting to Tuesday - Michael is just checking back
with one scheduled speaker to confirm they can do Tuesday.

Stay tuned for final details.

Regards
Grant

From perl at gamma.net.nz  Sun Feb 11 21:17:28 2018
From: perl at gamma.net.nz (Donovan Jones)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:17:28 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Meeting next week
Message-ID: <CAFD7-Avfkt6MC00OUBsrL9Ny-u+YRpM2uqouzKd45rt+XOAh=Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Grant

You can sign me up for a lighting talk called 'some cool tools'.

Thanks

Donovan

On Mon, Feb 12, 2018 at 4:35 PM, Grant McLean <grant at mclean.net.nz> wrote:
> Hi Mongers
>
> Short story:
> ===========
>
> A combined meeting of WellyLUG and Perl Mongers will happen either
> Monday or Tuesday evening next week (6pm start).  I'll confirm the date
> as soon as we know.
>
> It will be a lightning talk meeting so if you haven't started preparing
> your 5-minute talk yet, now is the time to do it.  Some pointers here:
>
>   http://wellington.pm.org/lightning_talks.html
>
> Sign up early and often.
>
>
> Longer story:
> ============
>
> Hugh Davenport who runs the WellyLUG (Linux Users Group) is on board
> with the plan to combine forces into a larger group with a broader
> focus.  However Hugh is off getting married at the moment and won't be
> back on Monday.  He has deputised Michael Coleman to organise the
> February lightning talk meeting.  Unfortunately there has been a
> scheduling clash with the level three space at Catalyst on Monday night
> so we may shift the meeting to Tuesday - Michael is just checking back
> with one scheduled speaker to confirm they can do Tuesday.
>
> Stay tuned for final details.
>
> Regards
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm

From grant at mclean.net.nz  Sun Feb 11 23:50:37 2018
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Mon, 12 Feb 2018 20:50:37 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <CAFD7-Avfkt6MC00OUBsrL9Ny-u+YRpM2uqouzKd45rt+XOAh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFD7-Avfkt6MC00OUBsrL9Ny-u+YRpM2uqouzKd45rt+XOAh=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1518421837.6057.0.camel@mclean.net.nz>

On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 18:17 +1300, Donovan Jones wrote:
> Hi Grant
> 
> You can sign me up for a lighting talk called 'some cool tools'.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Donovan

Excellent - you're booked.

Grant

From grant at mclean.net.nz  Mon Feb 12 12:03:02 2018
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Tue, 13 Feb 2018 09:03:02 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Meeting next week
In-Reply-To: <1518406503.14066.128.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>
References: <1518406503.14066.128.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1518465782.14066.133.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>

OK it all finalised. The meeting is on next Tuesday - February 20th.

Let's get the talk registrations rolling in!

Grant

On Mon, 2018-02-12 at 16:35 +1300, Grant McLean wrote:
> Hi Mongers
> 
> Short story:
> ===========
> 
> A combined meeting of WellyLUG and Perl Mongers will happen either
> Monday or Tuesday evening next week (6pm start).  I'll confirm the date
> as soon as we know.
> 
> It will be a lightning talk meeting so if you haven't started preparing
> your 5-minute talk yet, now is the time to do it.  Some pointers here:
> 
>   http://wellington.pm.org/lightning_talks.html
> 
> Sign up early and often.
> 
> 
> Longer story:
> ============
> 
> Hugh Davenport who runs the WellyLUG (Linux Users Group) is on board
> with the plan to combine forces into a larger group with a broader
> focus.  However Hugh is off getting married at the moment and won't be
> back on Monday.  He has deputised Michael Coleman to organise the
> February lightning talk meeting.  Unfortunately there has been a
> scheduling clash with the level three space at Catalyst on Monday night
> so we may shift the meeting to Tuesday - Michael is just checking back
> with one scheduled speaker to confirm they can do Tuesday.
> 
> Stay tuned for final details.
> 
> Regards
> Grant
> _______________________________________________
> Wellington-pm mailing list
> Wellington-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm

From grant at mclean.net.nz  Mon Feb 19 00:36:59 2018
From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean)
Date: Mon, 19 Feb 2018 21:36:59 +1300
Subject: [Wellington-pm] Meeting this Tuesday
In-Reply-To: <1518406503.14066.128.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>
References: <1518406503.14066.128.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz>
Message-ID: <1519029419.2391.13.camel@mclean.net.nz>

Hi Mongers

Just a quick reminder that the combined?tech meetup hosted by?WellyLUG
and Perl Mongers is happening this Tuesday at 6pm.

? ? 6:00pm* Tuesday 20 February 2018
????Level 3, Catalyst House
????150 Willis Street
????Wellington

????* Aim to arrive a little early, the building doors lock at 6pm,
??????we will have someone manning the door.

I appreciate that some people will be bit concerned about the impending
stormy weather and may prefer to stay warm and dry at home. I respect
that and have no desire to influence your decision one way or another.
(It would be good to know if you were booked to speak and won't be able
to make it).

I've been in communication with Michael from WellyLUG and barring any
significant change of circumstances we've agreed to carry on with the
meeting as planned.

If you haven't yet signed up to do a lightning talk, we may be able to
squeeze you in so let me know sooner rather than later.

Regards
Grant