From mhx-perl at gmx.net Wed Feb 4 12:46:22 2009 From: mhx-perl at gmx.net (Marcus Holland-Moritz) Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2009 21:46:22 +0100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Visiting Wellington In-Reply-To: <1233173822.6327.10.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <20090128193900.304e4436@r2d2> <1233173822.6327.10.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090204214622.418000e3@r2d2> Hi, as I'll be leaving in a few days, and I'm not sure how well I'll be connected in NZ [1], it would be nice to have a phone number, just in case. I would give you mine, but I don't know it yet. ;) Cheers, Marcus [1] I wanted to get a few MB from Zenbu, and I should have wireless in some places where I'm staying. On 2009-01-29, at 09:17:02 +1300, Grant McLean wrote: > On Wed, 2009-01-28 at 19:39 +0100, Marcus Holland-Moritz wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I'm a (more or less active) perl5-porter, CPAN module author (mhx) > > and member of the stuttgart.pm group in Germany, and I'll be on > > vacation in New Zealand during February and March. > > Hi Marcus > > It's always nice to meet up with travelling Perl folks. We even have a > few Germans in our group. > > If you'd like to meet up for a beer and maybe a meal on Feb 24th or 25th > then I'm sure we can get some folk together. If you want to tell us > about your Convert::Binary::C then I can organise a room and a projector > and then we can do beer after that. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jarich at perltraining.com.au Sun Feb 8 05:49:12 2009 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (Jacinta Richardson) Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2009 00:49:12 +1100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Next meeting, etc In-Reply-To: <1233102507.20960.74.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <1233102507.20960.74.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <498EE2D8.1040802@perltraining.com.au> Grant McLean wrote: > 1) Next meeting: February 10th > > I'm thrilled to confirm that Jacinta Richardson and Paul Fenwick will > be visiting Wellington in February and are going to come and talk to > us about something (as yet unspecified). We're thrilled to be coming. But this is no longer unspecified. Details below! 6:00pm Tuesday 10 February 2008 Level 3, Catalyst House 150 Willis Street Wellington (http://wellington.pm.org/ includes map link) An Illustrated History of Failure Paul Fenwick The average individual is given little scope for failure, at least not the type that really matters. The opportunity for catastrophic failure, that influences nations or continents, has been traditionally reserved for royalty, parliament, and others in a position of great leadership. However in recent times we have developed a profession who have the opportunity to fail like never before. A profession that can make mistakes that are so monumental, so wide-reaching, and so costly they can shake civilization to its very core. This elite group, rarely seen by every day society, are the foundation upon which modern society depends. The few, the proud, the Software Developers. Join us for a voyage of discovery, as we travel back through history to some of the most monumental failures the world has ever seen. On Speaking Jacinta Richardson You've been to *those* talks. The kind where the title first drew your attention, the abstract made you go wow, and you were so excited you took afront seat. Then the speaker went to their first slide and it was so full of text (15 bullet points!) and you just knew they were going to spend the next ten minutes talking about what you've just read in two. Worse, being up the front, you can't easily leave and it'd be rude to pull out your laptop... Don't be one of those speakers. No matter how technically brillant your talk, it's worth nothing at all if you can't keep your audience interested. This (short) talk will cover a whole bunch of tricks you can use to get your audience's attention and keep it. Better yet, if you use these ideas there's a good chance people will remember *what* you spoke about and will attend your future talks as well. From grant at mclean.net.nz Mon Feb 9 17:25:23 2009 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:25:23 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Wellington.pm this evening! Message-ID: <1234229123.18892.23.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Hi Mongers I've been a bit slack in sending out reminders but I'm sure you've all marked this day on your calendars anyway. The February meeting of Wellington Perl Mongers is this evening at the usual time and place: 6:00pm Tuesday 10 February 2008 Level 3, Catalyst House 150 Willis Street Wellington Our guest speakers tonight are Paul Fenwick and Jacinta Richardson who are visiting us from Melbourne. * Jacinta will be talking about how to give a talk * Paul's talk is entitled "An Illustrated History of Failure" So come along, bring a friend and help make our Australian friends welcome. See you there Grant From grant at mclean.net.nz Thu Feb 12 13:25:09 2009 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:25:09 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Lightning Talks at March Meeting Message-ID: <1234473909.1556.25.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Hi Mongers Once again a big thank you to Jacinta and Paul for their presentations on Tuesday night - interesting, useful *and* entertaining! Now it's time to begin planning for next month's meeting which will be our annual Lightning Talk meeting. It's a chance for everyone to be involved and "everyone" includes *you*. * Instead of our usual schedule with 1-2 long talks, the March meeting will comprise a dozen or so 5 minute talks * Speakers will need to sign up in advance (just email the talk topic to me) * Don't imagine your talk needs to be about Perl - we're broad minded folk with wide-ranging interests - so just make it interesting * There are more details on the Lightning Talk page on the web site: http://wellington.pm.org/lightning_talks.html So read that page, choose your topic and sign up now! Cheers Grant From andrew.boag at catalyst.net.nz Thu Feb 12 20:26:08 2009 From: andrew.boag at catalyst.net.nz (Andrew Boag) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 15:26:08 +1100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] postgres 8.x and escaping E'' style Message-ID: <4994F660.50500@catalyst.net.nz> As part of migrating to postgres 8.2 with our application we have started seeing these warning messages in the logs: WARNING: nonstandard use of \\ in a string literal at character 230 HINT: Use the escape string syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'. At the moment we are just logging (ignoring) these messages ... but not forever. I know what is causing this. It's the that postgres wants to escape strings using the E'text to escape \' format where the forward slash will not escape the single quote. I would like to not have to worry about this syntax to be honest. Can't the DBI library be updated or configured to take care of this? Thoughts? From martyn at catalyst.net.nz Thu Feb 12 21:03:47 2009 From: martyn at catalyst.net.nz (Martyn Smith) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 18:03:47 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] postgres 8.x and escaping E'' style In-Reply-To: <4994F660.50500@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4994F660.50500@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <20090213050347.GH29870@sear.dollyfish.net.nz> DBD::Pg does this already from version: 2.7.0 Released May 10, 2008 (subversion r11239) Unfortunately Etch has 1.49 Lenny however has 2.8.7 :-) So I suspect you're usinging a version of libdbd-pg-perl from etch (or perhaps some Ubuntu version pre-2.7.0) Hopefully that helps. On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 03:26:08PM +1100, Andrew Boag wrote: > As part of migrating to postgres 8.2 with our application we have > started seeing these warning messages in the logs: > > WARNING: nonstandard use of \\ in a string literal at character 230 > HINT: Use the escape string syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'. > > At the moment we are just logging (ignoring) these messages ... but not > forever. > > I know what is causing this. It's the that postgres wants to escape > strings using the E'text to escape \' format where the forward slash > will not escape the single quote. > > I would like to not have to worry about this syntax to be honest. Can't > the DBI library be updated or configured to take care of this? > > Thoughts? > _______________________________________________ > Wellington-pm mailing list > Wellington-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm > From andrew.boag at catalyst.net.nz Thu Feb 12 22:52:16 2009 From: andrew.boag at catalyst.net.nz (Andrew Boag) Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:52:16 +1100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] postgres 8.x and escaping E'' style In-Reply-To: <20090213050347.GH29870@sear.dollyfish.net.nz> References: <4994F660.50500@catalyst.net.nz> <20090213050347.GH29870@sear.dollyfish.net.nz> Message-ID: <499518A0.9060103@catalyst.net.nz> Worse, it's Solaris!!!! And worse still is that we're installing modules from CPAN!!!! Oh well, better get it working then. Martyn Smith wrote: > DBD::Pg does this already from version: > > 2.7.0 Released May 10, 2008 (subversion r11239) > > Unfortunately Etch has 1.49 > > Lenny however has 2.8.7 :-) > > So I suspect you're usinging a version of libdbd-pg-perl from etch (or > perhaps some Ubuntu version pre-2.7.0) > > Hopefully that helps. > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 03:26:08PM +1100, Andrew Boag wrote: > >> As part of migrating to postgres 8.2 with our application we have >> started seeing these warning messages in the logs: >> >> WARNING: nonstandard use of \\ in a string literal at character 230 >> HINT: Use the escape string syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'. >> >> At the moment we are just logging (ignoring) these messages ... but not >> forever. >> >> I know what is causing this. It's the that postgres wants to escape >> strings using the E'text to escape \' format where the forward slash >> will not escape the single quote. >> >> I would like to not have to worry about this syntax to be honest. Can't >> the DBI library be updated or configured to take care of this? >> >> Thoughts? >> _______________________________________________ >> Wellington-pm mailing list >> Wellington-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm >> >> > _______________________________________________ > Wellington-pm mailing list > Wellington-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm > > From brenda at wallace.net.nz Tue Feb 17 14:01:36 2009 From: brenda at wallace.net.nz (Brenda Wallace) Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:01:36 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] s92 demonstration Message-ID: Public Demonstration http://creativefreedom.org.nz/blackout.html#demonstration In Wellington on the steps of Parliament on Thursday 19th at 12:30 with a petition handover at 1pm. This is a postive event where we will hand out hundreds of CDs and thank the politicans that support us - so please keep it friendly and polite. While we appreciate people arranging their own demonstrations it might be best if we don't dilute our numbers with multiple events. We want everyone reading this to email everyone they know in Wellington about this. We can't let this be another internet protest that results in few people turning up. This is important so we need to prove it in numbers. NOTE: Please don't wear all black as that has negative associations with other demonstrations but instead come along with bright clothes and BLACK PLACARDS! -- No Guilt apon accusation! http://creativefreedom.org.nz From katrina at catalyst.net.nz Wed Feb 18 13:42:01 2009 From: katrina at catalyst.net.nz (Katrina Bassett) Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2009 10:42:01 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] postgres 8.x and escaping E'' style In-Reply-To: <499518A0.9060103@catalyst.net.nz> References: <4994F660.50500@catalyst.net.nz> <20090213050347.GH29870@sear.dollyfish.net.nz> <499518A0.9060103@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <1234993321.7489.18.camel@sneezy> The jdbc postgres library has the same problem. To suppress the warnings, you can set the following in your postgres config. standard_conforming_strings = off On Fri, 2009-02-13 at 17:52 +1100, Andrew Boag wrote: > Worse, it's Solaris!!!! > > And worse still is that we're installing modules from CPAN!!!! > > Oh well, better get it working then. > > Martyn Smith wrote: > > DBD::Pg does this already from version: > > > > 2.7.0 Released May 10, 2008 (subversion r11239) > > > > Unfortunately Etch has 1.49 > > > > Lenny however has 2.8.7 :-) > > > > So I suspect you're usinging a version of libdbd-pg-perl from etch (or > > perhaps some Ubuntu version pre-2.7.0) > > > > Hopefully that helps. > > > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2009 at 03:26:08PM +1100, Andrew Boag wrote: > > > >> As part of migrating to postgres 8.2 with our application we have > >> started seeing these warning messages in the logs: > >> > >> WARNING: nonstandard use of \\ in a string literal at character 230 > >> HINT: Use the escape string syntax for backslashes, e.g., E'\\'. > >> > >> At the moment we are just logging (ignoring) these messages ... but not > >> forever. > >> > >> I know what is causing this. It's the that postgres wants to escape > >> strings using the E'text to escape \' format where the forward slash > >> will not escape the single quote. > >> > >> I would like to not have to worry about this syntax to be honest. Can't > >> the DBI library be updated or configured to take care of this? > >> > >> Thoughts? > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Wellington-pm mailing list > >> Wellington-pm at pm.org > >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm > >> > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > Wellington-pm mailing list > > Wellington-pm at pm.org > > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Wellington-pm mailing list > Wellington-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm > From grant at mclean.net.nz Thu Feb 19 14:15:25 2009 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 11:15:25 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Beer with Marcus next week Message-ID: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Hi Mongers As discussed on the list last month, Marcus Holland-Moritz (Perl Monger from Stuttgart) is holidaying in NZ and will be here next week. I said: >> If you'd like to meet up for a beer and maybe a meal on Feb 24th or >> 25th then I'm sure we can get some folk together. He said: > That sounds great! Which failed to address the question of exactly which day would be 'great'. I failed to pick up that flaw in the plan until now. So next week on either Tuesday the 24th or Wednesday the 25th, Marcus will be in town. All going well he'll give us a presentation on his Convert::Binary::C module and then we can retire to a suitable location for beverages and food. Unfortunately I have a regular engagement on the Wednesday, but I can do Tuesday. Please consider your availability and be ready to show some hospitality :-) Cheers Grant From mhx-perl at gmx.net Thu Feb 19 17:15:25 2009 From: mhx-perl at gmx.net (Marcus Holland-Moritz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:15:25 +0100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Beer with Marcus next week In-Reply-To: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090220011525.166200@gmx.net> Hi, I'm lucky to sit in a cafe providing wireless right now :-) > Hi Mongers > > As discussed on the list last month, Marcus Holland-Moritz (Perl Monger > from Stuttgart) is holidaying in NZ and will be here next week. > > I said: > > >> If you'd like to meet up for a beer and maybe a meal on Feb 24th or > >> 25th then I'm sure we can get some folk together. > > He said: > > > That sounds great! > > Which failed to address the question of exactly which day would be > 'great'. I failed to pick up that flaw in the plan until now. Yes, I was also thinking about that just this morning. > So next week on either Tuesday the 24th or Wednesday the 25th, Marcus > will be in town. All going well he'll give us a presentation on his > Convert::Binary::C module and then we can retire to a suitable location > for beverages and food. > > Unfortunately I have a regular engagement on the Wednesday, but I can do > Tuesday. I would actually also prefer Tuesday, as I will have to get up really early on Thursday (check in for the ferry is at about 7am). So, should we fix a time? Shall I just show up at Catalyst some time between 18:00 and 19:00? I'll probably just check in right before. So, either time is fine for me, but 18:00 is probably the earliest I'll be able to manage, as I'll be driving down from Napier that day. I think I'll have wireless again before getting to Wellington, so feel free to pick a time on Tuesday, and I'll show up. Cheers, Marcus > Please consider your availability and be ready to show some > hospitality :-) > > Cheers > Grant > > _______________________________________________ > Wellington-pm mailing list > Wellington-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm From mhx-perl at gmx.net Thu Feb 19 17:15:25 2009 From: mhx-perl at gmx.net (Marcus Holland-Moritz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 02:15:25 +0100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Beer with Marcus next week In-Reply-To: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090220011525.166200@gmx.net> Hi, I'm lucky to sit in a cafe providing wireless right now :-) > Hi Mongers > > As discussed on the list last month, Marcus Holland-Moritz (Perl Monger > from Stuttgart) is holidaying in NZ and will be here next week. > > I said: > > >> If you'd like to meet up for a beer and maybe a meal on Feb 24th or > >> 25th then I'm sure we can get some folk together. > > He said: > > > That sounds great! > > Which failed to address the question of exactly which day would be > 'great'. I failed to pick up that flaw in the plan until now. Yes, I was also thinking about that just this morning. > So next week on either Tuesday the 24th or Wednesday the 25th, Marcus > will be in town. All going well he'll give us a presentation on his > Convert::Binary::C module and then we can retire to a suitable location > for beverages and food. > > Unfortunately I have a regular engagement on the Wednesday, but I can do > Tuesday. I would actually also prefer Tuesday, as I will have to get up really early on Thursday (check in for the ferry is at about 7am). So, should we fix a time? Shall I just show up at Catalyst some time between 18:00 and 19:00? I'll probably just check in right before. So, either time is fine for me, but 18:00 is probably the earliest I'll be able to manage, as I'll be driving down from Napier that day. I think I'll have wireless again before getting to Wellington, so feel free to pick a time on Tuesday, and I'll show up. Cheers, Marcus > Please consider your availability and be ready to show some > hospitality :-) > > Cheers > Grant > > _______________________________________________ > Wellington-pm mailing list > Wellington-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm From grant at mclean.net.nz Thu Feb 19 17:20:38 2009 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 14:20:38 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Beer with Marcus next week In-Reply-To: <20090220011525.166200@gmx.net> References: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20090220011525.166200@gmx.net> Message-ID: <1235092838.10240.15.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 02:15 +0100, Marcus Holland-Moritz wrote: > > I said: > > > > >> If you'd like to meet up for a beer and maybe a meal on Feb 24th or > > >> 25th then I'm sure we can get some folk together. > > > > He said: > > > > > That sounds great! > > > > Which failed to address the question of exactly which day would be > > 'great'. I failed to pick up that flaw in the plan until now. > > Yes, I was also thinking about that just this morning. > ... > I would actually also prefer Tuesday, as I will have to get up > really early on Thursday (check in for the ferry is at about 7am). > > So, should we fix a time? Shall I just show up at Catalyst some > time between 18:00 and 19:00? I'll probably just check in right > before. OK, if you can make it by 18:00 that would be good. After that time the front doors to Catalyst House switch to card access. You can always text me if you arrive later though. So the plan is officially: Meet at Catalyst House at 6:00pm on Tuesday the 24th. Cheers Grant From mhx-perl at gmx.net Fri Feb 20 00:40:52 2009 From: mhx-perl at gmx.net (Marcus Holland-Moritz) Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2009 09:40:52 +0100 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Beer with Marcus next week In-Reply-To: <1235092838.10240.15.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <1235081725.10240.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20090220011525.166200@gmx.net> <1235092838.10240.15.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <20090220084052.106540@gmx.net> Grant McLean wrote: > On Fri, 2009-02-20 at 02:15 +0100, Marcus Holland-Moritz wrote: > > > So, should we fix a time? Shall I just show up at Catalyst some > > time between 18:00 and 19:00? I'll probably just check in right > > before. > > OK, if you can make it by 18:00 that would be good. After that time the > front doors to Catalyst House switch to card access. You can always > text me if you arrive later though. Ah, good to know. So I'll try to be there in time. > So the plan is officially: > > Meet at Catalyst House at 6:00pm on Tuesday the 24th. Perfect! See you next Tuesday! Cheers, Marcus From jarich at perltraining.com.au Sun Feb 22 22:17:09 2009 From: jarich at perltraining.com.au (jarich at perltraining.com.au) Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2009 17:17:09 +1100 (EST) Subject: [Wellington-pm] SAGE-AU'2009 Call for presentations Message-ID: <20090223061709.2218AA9DC1@teddybear.perltraining.com.au> Dear Wellington PM members, Please forward this invitation to anyone you feel would be interested. 17th Annual System Administrators' Conference (SAGE-AU 2009) ============================================================ The System Administrators' Guild of Australia Gold Coast, 10-14th August 2009 SAGE-AU was formed to advance the profession of System Administration by raising awareness of the need for System Administrators, and educating System Administrators in technical as well as professional issues. Our yearly conference provides a forum for System Administrators of all platforms and levels of experience to gather together and share their experiences. Further it provides an excellent opportunity to meet and network with acknowledged experts in the field. SAGE-AU 2009 will be held in the Gold Coast from the 10th-14th August. The theme this year is "Internet Content Filtering," and talks or tutorials covering this or related fields are particularly welcomed. Training Program: 10th - 12th August ------------------------------------ SAGE-AU 2009 will include three days of training sessions of both 3 hours and 6 hours duration. Previous years have included tutorials on topics such as: * Management practices for System Administrators * Disaster recovery and high availability * Computer and network security * High performance * Networking * Cross platform interoperability For more details and to submit your proposal(s), visit our Call for Technical Presentations. http://www.sage-au.org.au//x/cgAG Technical Program: 14th - 15th August ------------------------------------- Due to the huge success of last year's change in format, this year again there will be two parallel streams of talks running. If your job includes looking after systems, networks, or machines for which you are not the sole-user, we'd love to hear you speak! Previous years have included talks on topics such as: * Selling yourself/your team * Successful negotiation * Disasters recovered * Security issues * Tools, tricks and tips * Standards For more details and to submit your proposal(s), visit our Call for Technical Presentations. http://www.sage-au.org.au//x/cgAG If you have any questions or require assistance with your submission, please don't hesitate to ask! SAGE-AU 2009 Gold Coast ------------------- Call for Papers/Tutorials Issued 23rd February 2009 Proposals Due 30th March 2009 Provisional Notification 27th April 2009 Draft Paper/Tutorials Due 1st June 2009 Confirmed Acceptance and Contracts 15th June 2009 Final Paper/Tutorial Materials Due 13th July 2009 For all information, contacts and updates, see the SAGE-AU conference web site at http://www.sage-au.org.au/display/conf/ From grant at mclean.net.nz Mon Feb 23 18:40:41 2009 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 15:40:41 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] It's Tonight! Message-ID: <1235443241.6503.8.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Hi Mongers Just thought I'd slip in one last-minute reminder and one not-so-last-minute reminder: 1. Informal get-together this evening (6pm, Catalyst, Level 3) to meet up with visiting German Perl Monger Marcus Holland-Moritz. We'll be moving on to a food and drinks venue. I'm thinking The Loaded Hog down on the waterfront unless anyone has a better idea 2. The next 'official' Wellington.pm meeting is next month (March 10) and it's a lightning talk meeting - we need you to sign up for a 5 minute talk (about anything, doesn't have to be Perl related): http://wellington.pm.org/lightning_talks.html Cheers Grant