From grant at mclean.net.nz Sun Dec 7 15:33:32 2008 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Mon, 08 Dec 2008 12:33:32 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Beer Mongers tomorrow night Message-ID: <1228692812.31604.6.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Hi Mongers The December meeting of Wellington Perl Mongers is a social meeting (rather than a technical one) and will be at J J Murphy's pub in Cuba mall. Nominal start time is 6:00pm but you're welcome to start earlier. There will probably be a group going for a curry (or something) later in the evening if you want to do that too. Here's the Google Maps reference if you're not sure of the location: http://xrl.us/jjmurphy Come along and enjoy some networking time with your peers from the industry. Cheers Grant From sam at vilain.net Tue Dec 9 20:36:19 2008 From: sam at vilain.net (Sam Vilain) Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:36:19 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Rakudo test-fest Message-ID: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> Hi all, Rakudo, the Perl 6 implementation that runs on Parrot, is getting near alpha. Already many of the hardest problems have been solved; eg, the object system, multiple method dispatch, grammars/rules, concurrency, and more. Of course there is a *huge* amount in the Perl 6 specification, and so it's very likely that much of it will not make it into the 1.0 release. But that shouldn't matter - in a way, it's a good thing that there is a very comprehensive future plan. What the parrot team are most interested in now is getting feedback from people using it to write programs. So what I thought might be fun would be a short session next week, perhaps on Perl's 21st birthday (Thursday Dec 18th) where we get together, have a system with Rakudo installed (for those who don't want to have to build it themselves), and basically have a go at hacking on it and seeing what things are missing for the way you code. Other sources of example code to translate and see if they work would be certain books, I'm thinking of the Llama, the first three chapters of the Camel and then of course there's Higher Order Perl. The idea being that if the examples that are in those book work in Perl 6, then it may as well be considered finished. The aim would be to produce contributions to the official test suite (in the pugs repo). I'm thinking a couple of hours or so, and it would be held either here at Catalyst House (previously The Building Formerly Known as Eagle Technology House) or a pub which is likely to actually have seating room on a Summer evening. ie not JJ's. Any takers? Sam. From grant at mclean.net.nz Wed Dec 10 17:57:47 2008 From: grant at mclean.net.nz (Grant McLean) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 14:57:47 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Rakudo test-fest In-Reply-To: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> References: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> Message-ID: <1228960668.24830.13.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 17:36 +1300, Sam Vilain wrote: > So what I thought might be fun would be a short session next week, > perhaps on Perl's 21st birthday (Thursday Dec 18th) where we get > together, have a system with Rakudo installed (for those who don't want > to have to build it themselves), and basically have a go at hacking on > it and seeing what things are missing for the way you code. I think this is a great idea. Unfortunately I'm somewhat over committed this month. > I'm thinking a couple of hours or so, and it would be held either here > at Catalyst House (previously The Building Formerly Known as Eagle > Technology House) or a pub which is likely to actually have seating room > on a Summer evening. ie not JJ's. It might be helpful to have wireless available to get Rakudo up on multiple people's laptops. Cheers Grant From martyn at catalyst.net.nz Wed Dec 10 18:39:21 2008 From: martyn at catalyst.net.nz (Martyn Smith) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 15:39:21 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Rakudo test-fest In-Reply-To: <1228960668.24830.13.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> References: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> <1228960668.24830.13.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> Message-ID: <20081211023921.GR2319@catalyst.net.nz> On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 02:57:47PM +1300, Grant McLean wrote: > On Wed, 2008-12-10 at 17:36 +1300, Sam Vilain wrote: > > So what I thought might be fun would be a short session next week, > > perhaps on Perl's 21st birthday (Thursday Dec 18th) where we get > > together, have a system with Rakudo installed (for those who don't want > > to have to build it themselves), and basically have a go at hacking on > > it and seeing what things are missing for the way you code. > > I think this is a great idea. Unfortunately I'm somewhat over committed > this month. > > > I'm thinking a couple of hours or so, and it would be held either here > > at Catalyst House (previously The Building Formerly Known as Eagle > > Technology House) or a pub which is likely to actually have seating room > > on a Summer evening. ie not JJ's. > > It might be helpful to have wireless available to get Rakudo up on > multiple people's laptops. Yeah, if I was going to come along, I'd definitely be keen to get it working on my own machine :-) > > Cheers > Grant > > _______________________________________________ > Wellington-pm mailing list > Wellington-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/wellington-pm > -- Martyn Smith Senior Developer Catalyst IT http://www.catalyst.net.nz DDI: +64 4 802 0420 Mail: martyn at catalyst.net.nz From sam at vilain.net Wed Dec 10 19:28:43 2008 From: sam at vilain.net (Sam Vilain) Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2008 16:28:43 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Rakudo test-fest In-Reply-To: <20081211023921.GR2319@catalyst.net.nz> References: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> <1228960668.24830.13.camel@putnam.wgtn.cat-it.co.nz> <20081211023921.GR2319@catalyst.net.nz> Message-ID: <494088EB.5060303@vilain.net> Martyn Smith wrote: >>> I'm thinking a couple of hours or so, and it would be held either here >>> at Catalyst House (previously The Building Formerly Known as Eagle >>> Technology House) or a pub which is likely to actually have seating room >>> on a Summer evening. ie not JJ's. >>> >> It might be helpful to have wireless available to get Rakudo up on >> multiple people's laptops. >> > > Yeah, if I was going to come along, I'd definitely be keen to get it > working on my own machine :-) > What I was hoping was to provide a system where you can log in and use it so we don't get carried away with resolving parrot build issues on the day. ie, if you want to run it on your own hardware then please build it before you show up. We're talking about from 5:30-ish until 7pm when some will duck off to Wellingtonista awards, and I can't imagine they'll be many left after dark (~9pm)... Sam. From sam at vilain.net Wed Dec 17 17:26:37 2008 From: sam at vilain.net (Sam Vilain) Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 14:26:37 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Rakudo test-fest In-Reply-To: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> References: <493F4743.8090902@vilain.net> Message-ID: <4949A6CD.4000205@vilain.net> Sam Vilain wrote: > I'm thinking a couple of hours or so, and it would be held either here > at Catalyst House (previously The Building Formerly Known as Eagle > Technology House) or a pub which is likely to actually have seating room > on a Summer evening. ie not JJ's. > So ... to be a little less ambiguous about this, we are meeting on Level 3 of Catalyst House, from about 5:30pm onwards - there will be a group leaving for the Wellingtonista awards at about 7, no doubt. I've just secured a room with laptops, and some light refreshments courtesy of Catalyst. Come on over, and help find out what's left to do in Perl 6 for your style of programming! Especially welcome are people who have "moved on" from Perl to Ruby, Python, or whatever... come and see where this massive language experiment is at. Hope to see you there! Sam. From sam at vilain.net Thu Dec 18 19:02:36 2008 From: sam at vilain.net (Sam Vilain) Date: Fri, 19 Dec 2008 16:02:36 +1300 Subject: [Wellington-pm] Rakudo - feedback from Wellington.pm testfest Message-ID: <1229655756.25366.12.camel@maia.lan> Perhaps the weather was too nice for a large turn-out, but we still had enough people to make it interesting and worthwhile. Being a small group, we focused more on general user experience things than working through a list of missing features or coming up with tests etc. In no particular order, here are the things that one or more of us thought would really help rakudo perl 6: * installation; this needs to work, and there needs to be standard library paths that extensions can install to. * error messages; missing is the source code line of the error. That's the most important thing wrong with it, but it also seems to contain a lot of information which isn't much use. And I also couldn't tell which phase of the program that the error was occurring in - ie, compiling vs runtime. * The interactive mode needs to be much friendlier. How about a banner? Ideally, like python's repl ('help') and ghci (':h and :t'), there should be access to API documentation linked with classes, and potentially for inspecting the types of things etc. * I also consider a working debugger vitally important. * It seems far too easy to write a program which consumes all available VM. Perhaps it's worth building some safety limits in? Something like a soft default ulimit that programs have to explicitly raise if they want to grow beyond the default maximum size. Big ups to the Rakudo Perl/Parrot team for getting it this far already! Sam. From forihrd at gmail.com Tue Dec 30 06:21:31 2008 From: forihrd at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?0JjQu9GM0Y8=?=) Date: Wed, 31 Dec 2008 00:21:31 +1000 Subject: [Wellington-pm] yet another geek wants to live in NZ Message-ID: Hi Mongers! Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! My name is Ilia Belikin, I am from Russia, Vladivostok (so, I`m an active member of Vladivostok.pm). My Nickname is ihrd, you can see my activity around Perl6, especially in November wiki project (http://github.com/viklund/november) and Rakudo bug submiting. I do like Perl 6 and hope to work with it in the production one day. My Christmas wish is to meet next Year in New Zealand with my family. I am a memeber of small team here in Vladivostok, we are developing commercial web sites. I am well skilled web-developer and project manager, so I hope to found work in New Zealand. Two persons from my team want to emigrate too, so we can do some work together if that is interesting for employers. I can start to work remotely, for test or just for first acquaintance, but my goal is to migrate in next couple of month. My English is not so good is I want it to be, but I am working hard to learn grammar and I am speaking with my English-speaking friends by IRC and with my wife (she speaks very well). So today I speak much better then three months ago :) I hope you can help me. Please, let me know if you have any idea how I can realize my wish. Excuse me for such off topic in your mail list. Thank you! :) Ilya