From mike at nachbaur.com Sat Apr 8 17:06:28 2006 From: mike at nachbaur.com (Michael Nachbaur) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 17:06:28 -0700 Subject: [VPM] victoria.pm.org meeting this month? Message-ID: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> Hi all, I wanted to know; Is there going to be a meeting this month? I'm recently moved to Victoria and wanted to see what the local geek population has to offer. :-) From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Sat Apr 8 23:02:29 2006 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2006 23:02:29 -0700 Subject: [VPM] victoria.pm.org meeting this month? In-Reply-To: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> References: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> Message-ID: At 17:06 -0700 8/4/06, Michael Nachbaur wrote: >Hi all, I wanted to know; Is there going to be a meeting this month? >I'm recently moved to Victoria and wanted to see what the local geek >population has to offer. :-) Barring some un-fortunate event, there should be an April meeting, on Tuesday April 18th, and presumably I will be giving the talk, about my Rosetta DBMS. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Mon Apr 10 08:55:29 2006 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 08:55:29 -0700 Subject: [VPM] victoria.pm.org meeting this month? In-Reply-To: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> References: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060410085411.0281d5f0@mail.webquarry.com> At 05:06 PM 4/8/2006, Michael Nachbaur wrote: >Hi all, I wanted to know; Is there going to be a meeting this month? >I'm recently moved to Victoria and wanted to see what the local geek >population has to offer. :-) Yes, there should be a meeting on the 18th. What sort of content are you interested in? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Mon Apr 10 10:26:22 2006 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 10:26:22 -0700 Subject: [VPM] victoria.pm.org meeting this month? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060410085411.0281d5f0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060410085411.0281d5f0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 08:55 -0700 10/4/06, Peter Scott wrote: >At 05:06 PM 4/8/2006, Michael Nachbaur wrote: >>Hi all, I wanted to know; Is there going to be a meeting this month? >>I'm recently moved to Victoria and wanted to see what the local geek >>population has to offer. :-) > >Yes, there should be a meeting on the 18th. What sort of content are >you interested in? Someone should book the room asap and then report to the list what room it will be. Then I know what to tell people who ask me where it is. -- Darren Duncan From mike at nachbaur.com Mon Apr 10 13:00:00 2006 From: mike at nachbaur.com (Michael Nachbaur) Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2006 13:00:00 -0700 Subject: [VPM] victoria.pm.org meeting this month? In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20060410085411.0281d5f0@mail.webquarry.com> References: <425A1B65-FADE-405D-A555-64947D2A2E6E@nachbaur.com> <6.2.3.4.2.20060410085411.0281d5f0@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: On Apr 10, 2006, at 8:55 AM, Peter Scott wrote: > At 05:06 PM 4/8/2006, Michael Nachbaur wrote: >> Hi all, I wanted to know; Is there going to be a meeting this month? >> I'm recently moved to Victoria and wanted to see what the local geek >> population has to offer. :-) > > Yes, there should be a meeting on the 18th. What sort of content > are you interested in? Well, I'm a web developer working these days with XML/XSL, RDF, Ajax using Dojo, and event-based web frameworks (in this case, SAWA) implementing a RESTful API. I've also worked with Mozilla/XUL and some hard-core JavaScript in the past and am the author of http:// mozref.com. As far as content goes, really I'd like to get a feel for what the Perl developers in the area are working on. You can never know everything, and it's often refreshing to see how other people approach the same sorts of problems. -mike From Peter at PSDT.com Tue Apr 11 09:38:48 2006 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 09:38:48 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Perl Mongers Meeting April 18 Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060411093619.02816e68@mail.webquarry.com> Victoria.pm will meet at its regular date, time and place on Tuesday, April 18, 7pm, at UVic, in Harry Hickman building, room 120. Darren Duncan will give a talk on his new Rosetta DBMS project. While it will cover some basics for the uninitiated, people who already use databases (whether MySQL or Oracle or whatever) will get more out of it; but lots of people use databases. The "Rosetta" DBMS framework, available in twin Perl 6 and Perl 5 versions, is a powerful but elegant system, which makes it easy to create and use relational databases in a very reliable, portable, and efficient way. It is structured with a single rigorously defined interface / API and interchangeable back-ends that implement it. The interface is mainly defined in terms of a new high-level programming language named "Rosetta D", which is computationally complete and has fully integrated database functionality; "Rosetta" has a spartan interface like DBI and implements a virtual machine that is embedded in your Perl application and in which the Rosetta D code runs (it is analagous to the Perl interpreter itself, which provides a virtual machine in which Perl code runs). The Rosetta language and virtual machine are intended to be significant improvements over conventional database products and the SQL language, both in reliability and expressiveness (but the conventionals are emulatable), and database tuning is automatic. One of its features is that you can manipulate a database's schema using the same language you use to manipulate its data, by updating the database's system catalog. The project has drawn significant interest from members of the Perl and database communities, though it still remains unknown to most people. This presentation / discussion will introduce Rosetta, saying how it works and how to use it, and discussing some of my design decisions. Darren will also discuss some relational database theory and practice in general. The presentation format is an oral presentation with accompanying diagrams drawn on the white board, and there can be group discussion. There will not be any handouts, nor any computer slide show, nor likely any executing code; those will have to wait for some future month. While you can not use Rosetta yet, due to its being pre-alpha, you can read some of its in-progress design documents at http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Rosetta/ (Perl 6) or at http://svn.utsl.gen.nz/trunk/Rosetta/ (Perl 5). Within those directories, the most recently updated and significant documents are lib/Rosetta.pm (scroll down half-way to the DESCRIPTION pod), and lib/Rosetta/Language.pod (the top half is new and good to read, the bottom half is old and less valuable). Regardless, everything spoken on and drawn at the meeting itself will be up to date. If you either want to present something or hear about something, contact me (Peter Scott). Presentations need not be restricted to Perl; we can learn by expanding our horizons so Ruby, Python, and Haskell, for instance, are all valid. Topics in functional or O-O programming, parsing, or data structures are equally useful. (Courtesy copy to VLUG members by permission of the list manager. Victoria.pm's home page is .) -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Wed Apr 12 23:04:05 2006 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:04:05 -0700 Subject: [VPM] congrats to Peter Scott - 2 OSCON 2006 presentations Message-ID: Well, Oreilly's website was finally updated today to show us the tracks for OSCON 2006. As near as I can tell, Peter Scott appears twice in the schedule, for the following 2 talks: Mind Like Water: The Path to Perl Bliss http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_sess/8875 Extreme Perl Makeover http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_sess/8866 Now, the second was given in 2005, and also previewed to Victoria.pm before that. The first one I'm guessing is new. Congradulations for getting out there again. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Thu Apr 13 09:13:17 2006 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Thu, 13 Apr 2006 09:13:17 -0700 Subject: [VPM] congrats to Peter Scott - 2 OSCON 2006 presentations In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060413091136.025e5c50@mail.webquarry.com> At 11:04 PM 4/12/2006, Darren Duncan wrote: >Well, Oreilly's website was finally updated today to show us the >tracks for OSCON 2006. > >As near as I can tell, Peter Scott appears twice in the schedule, for >the following 2 talks: > >Mind Like Water: The Path to Perl Bliss >http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_sess/8875 > >Extreme Perl Makeover >http://conferences.oreillynet.com/cs/os2006/view/e_sess/8866 > >Now, the second was given in 2005, and also previewed to Victoria.pm >before that. The first one I'm guessing is new. > >Congradulations for getting out there again. Why, thank you :-) I didn't know the schedule was out already. I will also be giving Extreme Perl Makeover at the Bellingham Linuxfest NorthWest (http://linuxfestnorthwest.org/) and at the Calgary LinuxFest (http://linuxfest.ca/). -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From Peter at PSDT.com Mon Apr 17 07:39:00 2006 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Mon, 17 Apr 2006 07:39:00 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Perl Mongers Meeting tomorrow Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20060411093857.028236c8@mail.webquarry.com> Victoria.pm will meet at its regular date, time and place tomorrow, Tuesday April 18, at 7pm, at UVic, in Harry Hickman building, room 120. Darren Duncan will give a talk on his new Rosetta DBMS project. While it will cover some basics for the uninitiated, people who already use databases (whether MySQL or Oracle or whatever) will get more out of it; but lots of people use databases. The "Rosetta" DBMS framework, available in twin Perl 6 and Perl 5 versions, is a powerful but elegant system, which makes it easy to create and use relational databases in a very reliable, portable, and efficient way. It is structured with a single rigorously defined interface / API and interchangeable back-ends that implement it. The interface is mainly defined in terms of a new high-level programming language named "Rosetta D", which is computationally complete and has fully integrated database functionality; "Rosetta" has a spartan interface like DBI and implements a virtual machine that is embedded in your Perl application and in which the Rosetta D code runs (it is analagous to the Perl interpreter itself, which provides a virtual machine in which Perl code runs). The Rosetta language and virtual machine are intended to be significant improvements over conventional database products and the SQL language, both in reliability and expressiveness (but the conventionals are emulatable), and database tuning is automatic. One of its features is that you can manipulate a database's schema using the same language you use to manipulate its data, by updating the database's system catalog. The project has drawn significant interest from members of the Perl and database communities, though it still remains unknown to most people. This presentation / discussion will introduce Rosetta, saying how it works and how to use it, and discussing some of my design decisions. Darren will also discuss some relational database theory and practice in general. The presentation format is an oral presentation with accompanying diagrams drawn on the white board, and there can be group discussion. There will not be any handouts, nor any computer slide show, nor likely any executing code; those will have to wait for some future month. While you can not use Rosetta yet, due to its being pre-alpha, you can read some of its in-progress design documents at http://svn.openfoundry.org/pugs/ext/Rosetta/ (Perl 6) or at http://svn.utsl.gen.nz/trunk/Rosetta/ (Perl 5). Within those directories, the most recently updated and significant documents are lib/Rosetta.pm (scroll down half-way to the DESCRIPTION pod), and lib/Rosetta/Language.pod (the top half is new and good to read, the bottom half is old and less valuable). Regardless, everything spoken on and drawn at the meeting itself will be up to date. If you either want to present something or hear about something, contact me (Peter Scott). Presentations need not be restricted to Perl; we can learn by expanding our horizons so Ruby, Python, and Haskell, for instance, are all valid. Topics in functional or O-O programming, parsing, or data structures are equally useful. (Courtesy copy to VLUG members by permission of the list manager. Victoria.pm's home page is .) -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From crimson at uvic.ca Fri Apr 21 12:48:20 2006 From: crimson at uvic.ca (Clarke Brunsdon) Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:48:20 -0700 Subject: [VPM] April 25th: First meeting for the Open Source Coders of Victoria Message-ID: <1145648900.1031.20.camel@localhost> Greetings every-mailing-list-I-belong-to-with-a-similar-postalcode: The first meeting of the Vossoc (Victoria Open Source Slingers Of Code) will be held: April 25th at 7:00 in Room C113 of the David Strong Building at UVIC (thank you Dr. German). (details on the website of http://www.vossoc.org) If you are a programmer and in the area I encourage you to come. I recognize very few people, myself included, have oodles of time on their hands, but taking a few hours a month to learn from, or share skills and code with like-minded people seems like a pretty solid idea to me. Clarke Brunsdon