From Peter at PSDT.com Mon May 9 14:03:43 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Mon, 09 May 2005 14:03:43 -0700 Subject: [VPM] May meeting Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> So our next meeting would be on May 17... any volunteers to talk? Last week I dropped in on the Los Angeles Perl Mongers meeting at Wahoo's Fish Tacos in Pasadena. There were three OSCON/YAPC presenters there, not bad for a meeting of 6 people :-) -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Mon May 9 14:23:08 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 14:23:08 -0700 Subject: [VPM] OSCON 2005 (was Re: May meeting) In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 2:03 PM -0700 5/9/05, Peter Scott wrote: >So our next meeting would be on May 17... any volunteers to talk? >Last week I dropped in on the Los Angeles Perl Mongers meeting at >Wahoo's Fish Tacos in Pasadena. There were three OSCON/YAPC presenters >there, not bad for a meeting of 6 people :-) You seem to do a lot of travelling. Will you be at OSCON 2005? Can you think of ways that I might get in cheaply if my offer to volunteer was turned down (a few months ago) and I'm not giving a talk? I want to go but the cost may be prohibitive. How do you afford it? Also, how easy is it to get into a Lightning Talk, and how much prep work is usually involved. I'm wondering whether I should be trying to get on stage or not at my very first perl/oss conference, or whether that should be left to more experienced people. If I did go up, my lightning talk would be related to SQL::Routine I expect, in an introductory style. -- Darren Duncan From abez at abez.ca Mon May 9 15:01:53 2005 From: abez at abez.ca (abez) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 15:01:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VPM] May meeting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: I will not be in Victoria on the 17th. I will try to book a room though. abram On Mon, 9 May 2005, Peter Scott wrote: > So our next meeting would be on May 17... any volunteers to talk? > > Last week I dropped in on the Los Angeles Perl Mongers meeting at > Wahoo's Fish Tacos in Pasadena. There were three OSCON/YAPC presenters > there, not bad for a meeting of 6 people :-) > -- abez ------------------------------------------ http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca) ------------------------------------------ abez From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Mon May 9 17:44:44 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 17:44:44 -0700 Subject: [VPM] who's going to OSCON 2005? Message-ID: I've decided today that I want to attend OSCON 2005 ( http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2005/ ) this early August, and am now starting to work out details. Significant pre-registration savings can be had if one registers by June 13th, so I'm aiming to plan things out in time for that. Are any of you going, and if so, can I share a ride and/or room with you? I understand that Mark McLaughlin went last year and Corey Burger may have; are either of you going this year? I know that Peter Scott is presenting this year, but that I can't go with him. My main schedule involves going to the normal conference sessions, and I'm currently leaning towards doing the tutorials also. I *may* even give a "lightning talk" myself. Also, FYI, there are a variety of additional discounts for people of various statuses (in particular, the student discount is huge). The only one I think I can take advantage of is the User Groups discount. Is this user group registered with Oreilly (by the group leader) and elligible for their discounts? If not, can it become registered? Anyone who is planning to go and/or has gone before, please either contact me privately so we can discuss it further, or reply on-list as you think is most appropriate. Thank you in advance. -- Darren Duncan From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Mon May 9 21:04:02 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Mon, 9 May 2005 21:04:02 -0700 Subject: [VPM] May meeting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 2:03 PM -0700 5/9/05, Peter Scott wrote: >So our next meeting would be on May 17... any volunteers to talk? I could do a talk on refactoring other people's code, citing some actual examples that I am involved with, namely the modification of various SQL::* and DBIx::* modules on CPAN to use my SQL::Routine module under the hood, while still keeping backwards-compatible APIs. However, since I didn't start doing this yet, I may be pressed to have enough material to discuss in time for next week. But I do plan to start any day now, and start on one of the simpler modules, so it should be possible to finish in time for the meeting. This said, if someone else has something good to present, I can split the time with them, or let them have this month. On a separate note, since I'm considering doing a Lightning Talk at OSCON, I should practice it in advance and so may do this for a few minutes at the June and July meetings. -- Darren Duncan From glim at mycybernet.net Tue May 10 20:16:00 2005 From: glim at mycybernet.net (Gerard Lim) Date: Tue, 10 May 2005 23:16 -0400 Subject: [VPM] Yet Another Perl Conference final details Message-ID: Hi everyone... There have been some recent developments on the YAPC::NA front, and it has been suggested to us that a reminder might be helpful to some people, so here's a quick summary of the event. Summary ------- YAPC::NA 2005 (Yet Another Perl Conference, North America) in Toronto, Canada, Monday - Wednesday 27 - 29, June 2005 Home page: http://yapc.org/America/ Conference Location: http://89chestnut.com/ A facility of the University of Toronto Accommodations -------------- Normally registration information would come first, but accommodations are the bottleneck -- our main group reservation (at the conference hotel) expires at the end of the week, and as the conference approaches it will be extremely difficult to find a hotel anywhere in the city. Info on how to book at: http://yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml Registration ------------ Register now! :-) We are on track to break attendance records at YAPC::NA this year, and we could even sell out before the conference starts. The price for the full 3 days is USD$85. We keep it insanely low through many generous sponsorships and the all-volunteer organizational and speaking crews. Registration info: http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml Direct registration link: http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423 Conference Speaking Schedule ---------------------------- We've got an excellent selection of talks and speakers for Perl programmers of all levels, beginner through expert. We are fortunate enough to have presentations coming from some of the most recognizable names in Perl programming today, including Larry Wall, Chip Salzenberg, Dan Sugalski, Autrijus Tang and brian d foy. Summary -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/summary.html Day 1 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html Day 2 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day2.html Day 3 -- http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day3.html Lightning Talks --------------- These short (5 minutes each) talks, presented by the conference attendees, are a YAPC tradition. If you're interested please read more about them and sign up: http://www.justanotherperlhacker.org/lightning/ [ This message was sent by Gerard Lim on behalf of the YAPC::NA 2005 Conference organizing committee of the Toronto Perl Mongers. Thanks for your patience and support. ] From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Thu May 12 11:17:37 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:17:37 -0700 Subject: [VPM] propose cancellation of May meeting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 2:03 PM -0700 5/9/05, Peter Scott wrote: >So our next meeting would be on May 17... any volunteers to talk? At 10:38 AM -0700 5/12/05, Peter Scott wrote (privately): >I need to announce soon; what can you do next week? I can come up >with something to fill out the time if necessary. Actually, sorry I didn't put 2+2 together before but ... This meeting date is the same day as the provincial election, and I'm working at one of the Sidney polls all day as Information Officer, so I can not attend the meeting. Considering that Abez will be away too, this makes for very few regulars. I propose cancelling the May meeting, and moving agenda discussion up to June, unless we can reschedule it to another day that is later. Meanwhile, every one of us should make sure to vote this election. I know who and what I'm voting for (at the early polls), though in consideration of others feelings I won't announce it here; ask privately if you want to know. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Thu May 12 11:34:57 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:34:57 -0700 Subject: [VPM] propose cancellation of May meeting In-Reply-To: References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512113335.031b4c98@mail.webquarry.com> At 11:17 AM 5/12/2005, Darren Duncan wrote: >This meeting date is the same day as the provincial election, and I'm >working at one of the Sidney polls all day as Information Officer, so >I can not attend the meeting. Considering that Abez will be away too, >this makes for very few regulars. I propose cancelling the May >meeting, and moving agenda discussion up to June, unless we can >reschedule it to another day that is later. Meanwhile, every one of us >should make sure to vote this election. I know who and what I'm voting >for (at the early polls), Ah, good point. I also am voting early and so the date did not occur to me. The room has been reserved but I presume cancellation carries no penalties. Do I hear any votes for (a) keeping the meeting, or (b) postponing it, as opposed to cancelling it? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From Peter at PSDT.com Thu May 12 11:44:47 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:44:47 -0700 Subject: [VPM] list problem Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512114403.01e31d78@mail.webquarry.com> It looks as though the list software has decided to run all lines together for some reason. I shall investigate. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From crimson at uvic.ca Thu May 12 11:43:33 2005 From: crimson at uvic.ca (Clarke Brunsdon) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 11:43:33 -0700 Subject: [VPM] propose cancellation of May meeting In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512113335.031b4c98@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050509140203.01deb9b8@mail.webquarry.com> <6.1.2.0.2.20050512113335.031b4c98@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: <1115923413.6538.3.camel@localhost> Either way is good by me, I've already voted. if its decided to postpone, and abez is still gone, i'm still good to pick up the room key any day from monday to thursday. ~Clarke On Thu, 2005-05-12 at 11:34 -0700, Peter Scott wrote: > At 11:17 AM 5/12/2005, Darren Duncan wrote: > >This meeting date is the same day as the provincial election, and I'm > >working at one of the Sidney polls all day as Information Officer, so > >I can not attend the meeting. Considering that Abez will be away too, > >this makes for very few regulars. I propose cancelling the May > >meeting, and moving agenda discussion up to June, unless we can > >reschedule it to another day that is later. Meanwhile, every one of us > >should make sure to vote this election. I know who and what I'm voting > >for (at the early polls), > > Ah, good point. I also am voting early and so the date did not occur to me. > > The room has been reserved but I presume cancellation carries no > penalties. Do I hear any votes for (a) keeping the meeting, or (b) > postponing it, as opposed to cancelling it? From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Thu May 12 12:14:53 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 12:14:53 -0700 Subject: [VPM] list problem In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512114403.01e31d78@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512114403.01e31d78@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: At 11:44 AM -0700 5/12/05, Peter Scott wrote: >It looks as though the list software has decided to run >all lines together for some reason. I shall >investigate. At 11:47 AM -0700 5/12/05, Peter Scott wrote (privately): >Did you see the last two messages from you and me come through the >list with all the lines run together? I want to make sure it's not >my client before I complain. My last posting came back to me just as I sent it, with 2 text blocks quoting you, and 6 blocks of my reply, plus my signiture. Your reply to that posting smushes everything I said into one paragraph. I did notice, however, that the text of the last email I sent had an "x-charset utf-8" tag pair surrounding it, whereas my post of 3 days earlier did not. Perhaps something with your mailer is seeing that and not treating my line breaks as line breaks. Since I didn't update my mailer (Eudora 6.2.1) in that time, I suspect a list manager update may have added the tag. However, my mailer displays the message as I intended, and it is formatted plain text internally, how I send all my messages. -- Darren Duncan From Peter at PSDT.com Thu May 12 13:40:30 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Thu, 12 May 2005 13:40:30 -0700 Subject: [VPM] please ignore Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512133912.0320a770@mail.webquarry.com> / Please ignore this message / while I inspect it directly / instead of letting my mail client / get it first. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From Peter at PSDT.com Fri May 13 09:24:07 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 09:24:07 -0700 Subject: [VPM] May Victoria Perl Mongers meeting cancelled Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050511105855.01d8b7c0@mail.webquarry.com> Based on the recent feedback I am cancelling the May VPM meeting; next one will be June 21. Abram, thanks for booking the room, and would you please cancel it? -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/ From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri May 13 20:06:53 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 20:06:53 -0700 Subject: [VPM] ANNOUNCE: SQL-Routine-SQLBuilder 0.18 (and SQL-Routine 0.62) Message-ID: 2005-05-13 Darren Duncan -------------------------------------------------- Special Friday the 13th Release! Version 0.62 of SQL::Routine (SRT), a fully atomic and portable abstract syntax tree to define any database tasks, has been uploaded to CPAN; it should appear on your favorite mirror within the next few hours. http://search.cpan.org/dist/SQL-Routine/ So has version 0.18 of SQL::Routine::SQLBuilder, a reference implementation of a SQL:2003 string builder (plus other SQL variants) for SQL::Routine. http://search.cpan.org/dist/SQL-Routine-SQLBuilder/ So has version 1.04 of Locale::KeyedText, version 0.45 of Rosetta, and version 0.18 of Rosetta::Engine::Generic. This release of SQL::Routine::SQLBuilder is particularly significant, and worth announcing, because it is the first release to actually be executed. Prior versions were simply known to compile. A bunch of small bug fixes and compatability updates were also made (details in 'Changes'), but no large changes were necessary. The new test suite for that module demonstrates the ability to generate SQL to create and drop database schema objects that are base tables (tables) and viewed tables (views) from SQL::Routine models, and in 3 SQL variants for each (uppercased and lowercased non-delimited identifiers, and case-preserving delimited identifiers). For both object types, multiple data types are represented, as are foreign keys and aliased joins between a table and itself. Various other updates were made that are detailed in the 'Changes' files. Chief among them is that all the test suites were reorganized into multiple files that are better organized. Subsequent releases will see improved input validation in SQL::Routine, and the demonstrated ability to generate other kinds of SQL in SQLBuilder. Any questions, feedback, requests, or offers of assistence with the module are welcome and appreciated. Thank you and have a good day. -- Darren Duncan From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Fri May 13 22:16:28 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Fri, 13 May 2005 22:16:28 -0700 Subject: [VPM] list problem In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512114403.01e31d78@mail.webquarry.com> References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050512114403.01e31d78@mail.webquarry.com> Message-ID: As an addendum to my earlier reply, I now know for certain that the x-charset thing I saw in the Victoria.PM list messages were added by the PM list server. My previous posting was sent to 4 lists at once; the VPM copy had the x-charset added to it, while the other copies had x-flowed instead (x-flowed may be a Eudora thing). -- Darren Duncan From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Sat May 14 22:31:26 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 22:31:26 -0700 Subject: [VPM] WEAV General Meeting: TOPIC: CPanel - Control Your Webhost via Mouse Message-ID: This is your invite to the WEAV Monthly Meeting, 3rd Thurs. each month. 7pm - 9pm Thursday, May 19th, 2005 Travellers Inn, 1961 Douglas St. Victoria. Non-members $5. Onsite Dinner Social: 5:30 PM. at the Travellers Inn, 1961 Douglas St. TOPIC: CPanel - Control Your Webhost via Mouse WEAV presents Scott Rose of Coastalhosting.net. CPanel gives control and convenience to you the web master, and is one of the most popular GUI based site managers in the industry. Learn all about it: * Overview of features & benefits * Costs, installation and maintenance * Setting up different web sites & customers * Webmaster perspective: managing databases, email, subdomains, and more! Scott will discuss the web hosts perspective. Afterwards, Weav members Mark McLaughlin and Cody Gregory will give us the users perspective. Scott Rose is an accomplished web programming instructor and IT contractor who has a knack for troubleshooting and finding solutions for customers world wide. He has owned and operated Coastalhosting.net web hosting since 2002. Bring a Friend and receive a FREE RAFFLE TICKET! RAFFLE BOOKS & SOFTWARE: * Web Design in a Nutshell - Jennifer Niederst 2nd Edition O'Reilly Technical Publishing * Real World Web Services - Will Iverson O?Reilly, O'Reilly Technical Publishing * Point & Click Linux - Robin Roblimo Miller O?Reilly, O'Reilly Technical Publishing All WEAV members and general public invited. Entrance fee may be applied to your economical WEAV membership. see http://weav.bc.ca for more information From jeremygwa at hotmail.com Sat May 14 23:06:03 2005 From: jeremygwa at hotmail.com (Jeremy Aiyadurai) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:06:03 -0700 Subject: [VPM] suppress STDERR Message-ID: Hello all, i am in the process of writing a module. How do I suppress all error messages related to the the internal working of the module, with out suppressing all std err messages. eg. how do i suppress error messages for the module only? Thanks in advance, Jeremy A. From darren at DarrenDuncan.net Sat May 14 23:20:23 2005 From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:20:23 -0700 Subject: [VPM] suppress STDERR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:06 PM -0700 5/14/05, Jeremy Aiyadurai wrote: >Hello all, >i am in the process of writing a module. How do I suppress all error >messages related to the the internal working of the module, with out >suppressing all std err messages. >eg. how do i suppress error messages for the module only? >Thanks in advance, >Jeremy A. If you wrap your code in an 'eval' block, then any errors generated within it will not display. That said, normally your code will do a test after the eval block finishes running to check if there was a problem, and then do some appropriate action. You don't actually want to ignore errors, though it is reasonable to change how they are reacted to. -- Darren Duncan From abez at abez.ca Sat May 14 23:25:16 2005 From: abez at abez.ca (abez) Date: Sat, 14 May 2005 23:25:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [VPM] suppress STDERR In-Reply-To: Message-ID: perl -e '{local *STDERR;open(STDERR,">/dev/null"); warn "what";}warn huh' That seemed to work. abram On Sat, 14 May 2005, Jeremy Aiyadurai wrote: > > Hello all, > > i am in the process of writing a module. How do I suppress all error > messages related to the the internal working of the module, with out > suppressing all std err messages. > > eg. how do i suppress error messages for the module only? > > Thanks in advance, > > Jeremy A. > > > _______________________________________________ > Victoria-pm mailing list > Victoria-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/victoria-pm > -- abez ------------------------------------------ http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca) ------------------------------------------ abez From Peter at PSDT.com Sun May 15 07:11:14 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Sun, 15 May 2005 07:11:14 -0700 Subject: [VPM] suppress STDERR In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: At 11:06 PM -0700 5/14/05, Jeremy Aiyadurai wrote: >Hello all, > >i am in the process of writing a module. How do I suppress all error >messages related to the the internal working of the module, with out >suppressing all std err messages. > >eg. how do i suppress error messages for the module only? perldoc perllexwarn. Make your own warnings category. From Peter at PSDT.com Mon May 16 09:17:44 2005 From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott) Date: Mon, 16 May 2005 09:17:44 -0700 Subject: [VPM] Reminder - no meeting Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050516091630.033d8178@mail.webquarry.com> Reminder - no Perl Mongers meeting tomorrow. The list software has been changed by robrt; you should now see a link break here-> <- if you were seeing them removed recently. -- Peter Scott Pacific Systems Design Technologies http://www.perldebugged.com/ http://www.perlmedic.com/