From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Wed Jun  1 21:18:31 2005
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:18:31 -0700
Subject: [VPM] ANNOUNCE: SQL-Routine 0.63
Message-ID: <p06210201bec435b71f86@[192.168.1.101]>

2005-06-01   Darren Duncan <perl at DarrenDuncan.net>
--------------------------------------------------

Version 0.63 of SQL::Routine (SRT), a fully atomic and portable 
abstract syntax tree to define any database tasks, has been uploaded 
to CPAN; it should appear on your favorite mirror within the next few 
hours.

http://search.cpan.org/dist/SQL-Routine/

In summary, this release primarily serves to improve the ease of use 
and reliability of the build_*() methods, such that their allowed 
argument options are now more consistent and predictable.  The 
allowed argument formats are now more terse and user-friendly than 
before.  The get_all_properties() methods will now return the more 
terse format as well.  Finally, the number of static error messages 
has been greatly reduced, replaced with a much smaller number of 
dynamic ones, so the total is easier to work with.

A side effect of the build_*() method changes is that subsequent 
porting of this module to Perl 6 will be easier, as I remove the need 
for a multitude of multi-methods.

Aside from the build_*() methods being more restrictive, there are no 
other significant API changes.  Moreover, if you used the build_*() 
methods in the manner that the SYNOPSIS detailed, then nothing will 
break at all.  The verbose API (doing everything without 'build') is 
also unchanged.

This input example worked before and still works now:

   $schema->build_child_node_tree( 'table',
       { 'si_name' => 'person', 'row_data_type' => 'person', }, [
     ( map { [ 'table_field', $_ ] } (
       { 'si_row_field' => 'person_id', 'mandatory' => 1, 
'default_val' => 1, 'auto_inc' => 1, },
       { 'si_row_field' => 'name'     , 'mandatory' => 1, },
     ) ),
     ( map { [ 'table_index', $_->[0],
         [ [ 'table_index_field', $_->[1] ] ] ] } (
       [ { 'si_name' => 'primary'        , 'index_type' => 'UNIQUE', 
}, 'person_id'    ],
       [ { 'si_name' => 'ak_alternate_id', 'index_type' => 'UNIQUE', 
}, 'alternate_id' ],
       [ { 'si_name' => 'fk_father', 'index_type' => 'FOREIGN', 
'f_table' => 'person', },
         { 'si_field' => 'father_id', 'f_field' => 'person_id' } ],
       [ { 'si_name' => 'fk_mother', 'index_type' => 'FOREIGN', 
'f_table' => 'person', },
         { 'si_field' => 'mother_id', 'f_field' => 'person_id' } ],
     ) ),
   ] );

This otherwise identical example used to work and now doesn't:

   $schema->build_child_node_tree( { 'NODE_TYPE' => 'table',
       'ATTRS' => { 'si_name' => 'person', 'row_data_type' => 
'person', }, 'CHILDREN' => [
     ( map { { 'NODE_TYPE' => 'table_field', 'ATTRS' => $_ } } (
       { 'si_row_field' => 'person_id', 'mandatory' => 1, 
'default_val' => 1, 'auto_inc' => 1, },
       { 'si_row_field' => 'name'     , 'mandatory' => 1, },
     ) ),
     ( map { { 'NODE_TYPE' => 'table_index', 'ATTRS' => $_->[0],
         'CHILDREN' => { 'NODE_TYPE' => 'table_index_field', 'ATTRS' 
=> $_->[1] } } } (
       [ { 'si_name' => 'primary'        , 'index_type' => 'UNIQUE', 
}, 'person_id'    ],
       [ { 'si_name' => 'ak_alternate_id', 'index_type' => 'UNIQUE', 
}, 'alternate_id' ],
       [ { 'si_name' => 'fk_father', 'index_type' => 'FOREIGN', 
'f_table' => 'person', },
         { 'si_field' => 'father_id', 'f_field' => 'person_id' } ],
       [ { 'si_name' => 'fk_mother', 'index_type' => 'FOREIGN', 
'f_table' => 'person', },
         { 'si_field' => 'mother_id', 'f_field' => 'person_id' } ],
     ) ),
   ] } );

That summarizes the most significant API changes.

The Changes file for this release contains a lot more details than 
are shown in this announcement email; the Changes does not contain 
any before/after code, however.

Any questions, feedback, requests, or offers of assistence with the 
module are welcome and appreciated.

Thank you and have a good day. -- Darren Duncan

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Thu Jun  2 21:04:30 2005
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:04:30 -0700
Subject: [VPM] OSCON 2005 - June 20th end of early reg
Message-ID: <p06210201bec58578b80d@[192.168.1.101]>

For your information ...

I'm currently planning to attend OSCON 2005 ( 
http://conferences.oreillynet.com/os2005/ ) at the start of August 
and will be registering in about a week, and some of you may want to 
as well.

Meeting the June 20th early registration price saves a lot of money.

Also, being part of a user group nets a further 15% discount so make 
sure to claim it; alternately if you are a student or teacher you can 
get two thirds or one third off.

Moreover, its a good idea to start procuring your Canadian passports 
now since this is in Oregon of the US.  While not mandatory yet, it 
will make cross-border things a lot easier for you.  I'm starting to 
get it now and will hopefully have it in a month.

I would like to travel and/or room share with someone or someones 
from the Victoria area, so please let me know if you are going and 
are amendable to this.

This email is being sent out now to remind you of the early reg savings.

Thank you in advance. -- Darren Duncan

From Peter at PSDT.com  Mon Jun  6 16:54:13 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 16:54:13 -0700
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050606165144.03638de8@mail.webquarry.com>

Our next Victoria Perl Mongers meeting will be on the 21st; we're 
starting to get some new members, so I don't want to skip this 
one.  Who has something they want to present?  Alternatively, who has 
something they want to hear about?

Note: I am currently reading Mark Jason Dominus' new book Higher Order 
Perl.  It rocks.  I believe it's available on-line, but the paper 
version is totally worth it.  Unless you happen to be a functional 
programming god already, this will change how you write programs.
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From abez at abez.ca  Mon Jun  6 18:24:37 2005
From: abez at abez.ca (abez)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 18:24:37 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050606165144.03638de8@mail.webquarry.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0506061823250.19785-100000@tsunami.abez.ca>


I can talk about IRC bots or dealing with the X server.

abram

On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Peter Scott wrote:

> Our next Victoria Perl Mongers meeting will be on the 21st; we're 
> starting to get some new members, so I don't want to skip this 
> one.  Who has something they want to present?  Alternatively, who has 
> something they want to hear about?
> 
> Note: I am currently reading Mark Jason Dominus' new book Higher Order 
> Perl.  It rocks.  I believe it's available on-line, but the paper 
> version is totally worth it.  Unless you happen to be a functional 
> programming god already, this will change how you write programs.
> 

-- 
abez ------------------------------------------
http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca)
------------------------------------------ abez


From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Mon Jun  6 19:15:04 2005
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 19:15:04 -0700
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <6.1.2.0.2.20050606165144.03638de8@mail.webquarry.com>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050606165144.03638de8@mail.webquarry.com>
Message-ID: <p06210200becab1ec3103@[192.168.1.101]>

At 4:54 PM -0700 6/6/05, Peter Scott wrote:
>Our next Victoria Perl Mongers meeting will be on the 21st; we're
>starting to get some new members, so I don't want to skip this
>one.

About the new members; how do you know?  I find most people are 
silent so its hard to tell who's there.

>Who has something they want to present?  Alternatively, who has
>something they want to hear about?

Barring a topic of more general interest coming up, I can talk about:

1. My database modules some more.  They're actually coming close to 
being useable to do real work.  One of my short term goals is to make 
an emulator for DBI that sits utop them that allows programs written 
for one database product by way of DBI to run on another one without 
changes; I changed my mind about refactoring other CPAN modules as 
mentioned last month, so won't do that.

2. My work using Pugs and writing Perl 6.  Unlike the last time I 
spoke about Perl 6, I have code that actualy executes now.

All this said, I may or may not get a job offer sometime this week; 
if I do, that will seriously cut into my time to do Perl work, and 
may compromise my ability to speak; or, it may not.

So I can talk about things, but I suggest people bring up other ideas too.

>Note: I am currently reading Mark Jason Dominus' new book Higher Order
>Perl.  It rocks.  I believe it's available on-line, but the paper
>version is totally worth it.  Unless you happen to be a functional
>programming god already, this will change how you write programs.

Never read that one.  Please bring it along so I can browse through 
it at the meeting.

-- Darren Duncan

From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Jun  7 08:05:54 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:05:54 -0700
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <p06210200becab1ec3103@[192.168.1.101]>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050606165144.03638de8@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06210200becab1ec3103@[192.168.1.101]>
Message-ID: <p06020403becb676ec80c@[192.168.0.1]>

At 7:15 PM -0700 6/6/05, Darren Duncan wrote:
>At 4:54 PM -0700 6/6/05, Peter Scott wrote:
>>Our next Victoria Perl Mongers meeting will be on the 21st; we're
>>starting to get some new members, so I don't want to skip this
>>one.
>
>About the new members; how do you know?  I find most people are
>silent so its hard to tell who's there.

I've been contacted.

>So I can talk about things, but I suggest people bring up other ideas too.

Abram hasn't spoken in a while, and I really like his topic, so he's up.


From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Jun  7 08:09:01 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 08:09:01 -0700
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0506061823250.19785-100000@tsunami.abez.ca>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0506061823250.19785-100000@tsunami.abez.ca>
Message-ID: <p06020404becb686000c8@[192.168.0.1]>

At 6:24 PM -0700 6/6/05, abez wrote:
>I can talk about IRC bots or dealing with the X server.

If the IRC bot s using Bot::BasicBot and/or POE, I am highly 
interested as I have plans myself in that area.  I've heard about 
some new X module, is that what you're proposing?

These are both terrific topics, you're on.

From greg at grokking.org  Tue Jun  7 09:44:21 2005
From: greg at grokking.org (Greg Maruszeczka)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 09:44:21 -0700
Subject: [VPM] greetings and brief introduction
Message-ID: <42A5CEE5.30703@grokking.org>

Hi all;

I just joined the list and am planning to attend my first PM meeting in
a couple of weeks but I thought maybe this might be a good time to say
"hello" and introduce myself. I hope this is considered appropriate for
this list. Otherwise, please excuse the noise :)

A couple of months ago I moved here with my family from Ottawa. There I
spent the last three years running a small consulting company, providing
desktop and LAN support services to local business. Having given up my
consulting business to move to Vancouver Island I'm kind
of...er...between jobs at the moment. That's okay, though, because it
will give me more time to concentrate on Perl.

I'm coming to Perl from a predominantly non-technical, liberal arts
educational background so it's been a considerable challenge getting up
to speed on all the fundamentals the average CS grad takes for granted.
Still, I've had some basic exposure to C, Javascript and PHP but have
the most experience (and appreciation for) Perl even if I'm still pretty
much a novice. Currently, I'm spending most of my time on unix system
administration and improving my programming skills with the intent of
seeking gainful employment in either or both.

Thanks for your time and I'm looking forward to meeting you all on the 21st.

Have a great day!

G

From abez at abez.ca  Tue Jun  7 10:06:23 2005
From: abez at abez.ca (abez)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 10:06:23 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <p06020404becb686000c8@[192.168.0.1]>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0506071006010.19785-100000@tsunami.abez.ca>

Well primarily Net::IRC but I'll look into Bot::BasicBot as well.

abram

On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Peter Scott wrote:

> At 6:24 PM -0700 6/6/05, abez wrote:
> >I can talk about IRC bots or dealing with the X server.
> 
> If the IRC bot s using Bot::BasicBot and/or POE, I am highly 
> interested as I have plans myself in that area.  I've heard about 
> some new X module, is that what you're proposing?
> 
> These are both terrific topics, you're on.
> 

-- 
abez ------------------------------------------
http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca)
------------------------------------------ abez


From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Jun  7 10:26:03 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:26:03 -0700
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0506071006010.19785-100000@tsunami.abez.ca>
References: <p06020404becb686000c8@[192.168.0.1]>
	<Pine.LNX.4.44.0506071006010.19785-100000@tsunami.abez.ca>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050607102418.034730a8@mail.webquarry.com>

See

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/comp.lang.perl.misc/msg/8d2678b8bcc102c3?dmode=print&hl=en

At 10:06 AM 6/7/2005, abez wrote:
>Well primarily Net::IRC but I'll look into Bot::BasicBot as well.
>
>abram
>
>On Tue, 7 Jun 2005, Peter Scott wrote:
>
> > At 6:24 PM -0700 6/6/05, abez wrote:
> > >I can talk about IRC bots or dealing with the X server.
> >
> > If the IRC bot s using Bot::BasicBot and/or POE, I am highly
> > interested as I have plans myself in that area.  I've heard about
> > some new X module, is that what you're proposing?
> >
> > These are both terrific topics, you're on.
> >
>
>--
>abez ------------------------------------------
>http://www.abez.ca/ Abram Hindle (abez at abez.ca)
>------------------------------------------ abez

-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Jun  7 11:30:40 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 11:30:40 -0700
Subject: [VPM] greetings and brief introduction
In-Reply-To: <42A5CEE5.30703@grokking.org>
References: <42A5CEE5.30703@grokking.org>
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050607112917.034d31c8@mail.webquarry.com>

Welcome, Greg!

We look forward to seeing you on the 21st.  Feel free to tell us about 
anything you'd like to hear about.

You may also be interested in http://www.vlug.org/ if you don't already 
know about it.

At 09:44 AM 6/7/2005, Greg Maruszeczka wrote:
>Hi all;
>
>I just joined the list and am planning to attend my first PM meeting in
>a couple of weeks but I thought maybe this might be a good time to say
>"hello" and introduce myself. I hope this is considered appropriate for
>this list. Otherwise, please excuse the noise :)
>
>A couple of months ago I moved here with my family from Ottawa. There I
>spent the last three years running a small consulting company, providing
>desktop and LAN support services to local business. Having given up my
>consulting business to move to Vancouver Island I'm kind
>of...er...between jobs at the moment. That's okay, though, because it
>will give me more time to concentrate on Perl.
>
>I'm coming to Perl from a predominantly non-technical, liberal arts
>educational background so it's been a considerable challenge getting up
>to speed on all the fundamentals the average CS grad takes for granted.
>Still, I've had some basic exposure to C, Javascript and PHP but have
>the most experience (and appreciation for) Perl even if I'm still pretty
>much a novice. Currently, I'm spending most of my time on unix system
>administration and improving my programming skills with the intent of
>seeking gainful employment in either or both.
>
>Thanks for your time and I'm looking forward to meeting you all on the 21st.
>
>Have a great day!




-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Tue Jun  7 19:59:12 2005
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:59:12 -0700
Subject: [VPM] greetings and brief introduction
In-Reply-To: <42A5CEE5.30703@grokking.org>
References: <42A5CEE5.30703@grokking.org>
Message-ID: <p06210202becc0f244cac@[192.168.1.101]>

Hello Greg,

Welcome to the group and I look forward to meeting you on tuesday the 21st.

Also, as Peter said, VLUG is another interesting group; their next 
meeting is a week earlier, on tuesday the 14th.

-- Darren Duncan

At 9:44 AM -0700 6/7/05, Greg Maruszeczka wrote:
>Hi all;
>
>I just joined the list and am planning to attend my first PM meeting in
>a couple of weeks but I thought maybe this might be a good time to say
>"hello" and introduce myself. I hope this is considered appropriate for
>this list. Otherwise, please excuse the noise :)
>
>A couple of months ago I moved here with my family from Ottawa. There I
>spent the last three years running a small consulting company, providing
>desktop and LAN support services to local business. Having given up my
>consulting business to move to Vancouver Island I'm kind
>of...er...between jobs at the moment. That's okay, though, because it
>will give me more time to concentrate on Perl.
>
>I'm coming to Perl from a predominantly non-technical, liberal arts
>educational background so it's been a considerable challenge getting up
>to speed on all the fundamentals the average CS grad takes for granted.
>Still, I've had some basic exposure to C, Javascript and PHP but have
>the most experience (and appreciation for) Perl even if I'm still pretty
>much a novice. Currently, I'm spending most of my time on unix system
>administration and improving my programming skills with the intent of
>seeking gainful employment in either or both.
>
>Thanks for your time and I'm looking forward to meeting you all on the 21st.
>
>Have a great day!
>
>G

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Tue Jun  7 20:01:00 2005
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 20:01:00 -0700
Subject: [VPM] June Meeting
In-Reply-To: <p06020403becb676ec80c@[192.168.0.1]>
References: <6.1.2.0.2.20050606165144.03638de8@mail.webquarry.com>
	<p06210200becab1ec3103@[192.168.1.101]>
	<p06020403becb676ec80c@[192.168.0.1]>
Message-ID: <p06210203becc0f8b64d9@[192.168.1.101]>

At 8:05 AM -0700 6/7/05, Peter Scott wrote:
>At 7:15 PM -0700 6/6/05, Darren Duncan wrote:
>>So I can talk about things, but I suggest people bring up other ideas too.
>
>Abram hasn't spoken in a while, and I really like his topic, so he's up.

Sounds great to me.  I look forward to the Bot talk, as well as Moe. 
-- Darren Duncan

From darren at DarrenDuncan.net  Thu Jun  9 10:39:31 2005
From: darren at DarrenDuncan.net (Darren Duncan)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:39:31 -0700
Subject: [VPM] WEAV Monthly Meeting: Topic: The Gimp - A Free Photoshop	Clone
Message-ID: <p06210202bece2f3fbe05@[192.168.1.101]>

This is your invite to the WEAV
Monthly Meeting, 3rd Thurs. each
month.

7pm - 9pm Thursday, June 16th, 2005
Travellers Inn, 1961 Douglas St.
Victoria.

Non-members $5.
Onsite Dinner Social: 5:30 PM.
at the Travellers Inn, 1961
Douglas St.


TOPIC: The Gimp - A Free Photoshop Clone

WEAV presents Stacey Falconer of BB&C
to talk about the Open Source product
The Gimp - Graphical Image
Manipulation Program.

Stacey has a decades long background
in photography and custom printing.
He has transferred and further refined
that knowledge base via years of work
with Adobe Photoshop and the Open
Source graphics software application,
The Gimp.

Stacey teaches paid courses on the
Gimp, and has lots of info to share.

Come join us to see how the latest
version of this constantly improving
Free software application can solve
your graphics problems.

Running on Windows and Linux, the Gimp
is a free Photoshop clone that is sure
to impress you.

Bring a Friend and receive a
FREE RAFFLE TICKET!

RAFFLE BOOKS & SOFTWARE:

* Windows XP Pro Second Edition:
   The Missing Manual - O?Reilly,
   O'Reilly Technical Publishing

* Introducing Microsoft ASP.NET
   1.0 -Microsoft, Microsoft

* The Book of PostFix State-of-the-Art
   Message Transport No Starch Press

All WEAV members and general public
invited.

Entrance fee may be applied to your
economical WEAV membership.

See the WEAV website for more
information: http://weav.bc.ca

From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Jun 14 08:53:39 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 08:53:39 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting: June 21
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050614085020.046d79f0@mail.webquarry.com>

Victoria.pm will meet at its regular date, time, and nearly the same 
place on Tuesday, June 21, 7pm, at UVic.  The location will be 
announced the day before.

Abram Hindle will cover:

   Making Chat bots and scripts with

	Net::IRC
	Net::OSCAR
	Irssi  - Scripts
	XChat - Scripts

   Successful Architectures and Patterns for developing bots.  Minor 
IRC details.

This sounds particularly useful and interesting to me - I have a 
backburned project to create an IRC bot for a help desk and one of 
Abram's previous talks on Parse::RecDescent was very helpful.  These 
days, IRC bots are the most ubiquitous examples of artificial 
intelligence to be found.  purl on #perl is a notorious example.

Other topics to be covered as time permits; make requests for anything 
particular.

(Courtesy copy to VLUG members by permission of the list 
manager.  Victoria.pm's home page is <http://victoria.pm.org/>.)
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From glim at mycybernet.net  Thu Jun 16 21:51:00 2005
From: glim at mycybernet.net (Gerard Lim)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 00:51 -0400
Subject: [VPM] Last-minute reminder -- YAPC::NA 2005
Message-ID: <mailman.52.1118984890.16827.victoria-pm@pm.org>

Here's a last reminder about Yet Another Perl Conference, North
America (YAPC::NA 2005)

    http://yapc.org/America

In case anyone out there has been sitting on the fence or has been
meaning to register but has put it on the backburner until now,
here is a final information package.

Dates:    Mon - Wed June 27 - 29, 2005  (11 days from now!)

Location: 89 Chestnut Street,
          University of Toronto,
          Toronto, Ontario, Canada


Accommodations
==============

Due to recent renegotiations with the conference facility and hotel,
89 Chestnut, there are still a few rooms left.  For details on
accommodations go to:

    http://www.yapc.org/America/accommodations-2005.shtml

For quick and easy booking:

    89 Chestnut Phone:        +1-416-977-0707
    Conference booking code:  perl0626

The base rate is approx. CAD$80/night, which is *great* for downtown
Toronto.  Add in taxes and in-room high speed internet and it's up to
about CAD$95/night.  Book yourself to check-in on Sunday the 26th and
check-out on the morning of Wednesday the 29th.


Conference Registration
=======================

Registration is easy and cheap - only USD$85 - see

    http://yapc.org/America/register-2005.shtml

for details or register directly online at


http://donate.perlfoundation.org/index.pl?node=registrant%20info&conference_id=423

The schedule is awesome -
    http://yapc.org/America/schedule-2005/day1.html
>From here, click on the "Day 2" and "Day 3" spots near the top to go
from page to page.  Click on a talk name to get details regarding the
talk.

Speakers include Larry Wall, Allison Randal, Autrijus Tang, Brian
Ingerson, Andy Lester, chromatic, brian d foy, Chip Salzenberg & Dan
Sugalski... and many more!


[ This message was sent by Gerard Lim <glim at mycybernet.net> on
  behalf of the YAPC::NA 2005 Conference organizing committee
  of the Toronto Perl Mongers.  Thanks for your patience and
  support. ]


From Peter at PSDT.com  Mon Jun 20 04:02:00 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 04:02:00 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting tomorrow: June 21
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050614160107.049a55c0@mail.webquarry.com>

Victoria.pm will meet at its regular date, time, and place tomorrow, 
Tuesday, June 21, 7pm, at UVic, in Harry Hickman Building 120.

Abram Hindle will cover:

   Making Chat bots and scripts with

	Net::IRC
	Net::OSCAR
	Irssi  - Scripts
	XChat - Scripts

   Successful Architectures and Patterns for developing bots.  Minor 
IRC details.

This sounds particularly useful and interesting to me - I have a 
backburned project to create an IRC bot for a help desk and one of 
Abram's previous talks on Parse::RecDescent was very helpful.  These 
days, IRC bots are the most ubiquitous examples of artificial 
intelligence to be found.  purl on #perl is a notorious example.

Other topics to be covered as time permits; make requests for anything 
particular.

(Courtesy copy to VLUG members by permission of the list 
manager.  Victoria.pm's home page is <http://victoria.pm.org/>.)
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/


From Peter at PSDT.com  Tue Jun 21 17:05:16 2005
From: Peter at PSDT.com (Peter Scott)
Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 17:05:16 -0700
Subject: [VPM] Victoria Perl Mongers meeting shortly
Message-ID: <6.1.2.0.2.20050621170412.037cb248@mail.webquarry.com>

Tonight, Tuesday, June 21, 7pm, at UVic, in Harry Hickman Building 
120.  (Maps at http://uvic.ca/).  Brave the summer rain and see:

Abram Hindle will cover:

    Making Chat bots and scripts with

	Net::IRC
	Net::OSCAR
	Irssi  - Scripts
	XChat - Scripts

    Successful Architectures and Patterns for developing bots.  Minor
IRC details.

This sounds particularly useful and interesting to me - I have a
backburned project to create an IRC bot for a help desk and one of
Abram's previous talks on Parse::RecDescent was very helpful.  These
days, IRC bots are the most ubiquitous examples of artificial
intelligence to be found.  purl on #perl is a notorious example.

I'll have copies of "Perl 6 Now" and "Higher Order Perl" for inspection.
-- 
Peter Scott
Pacific Systems Design Technologies
http://www.perldebugged.com/
http://www.perlmedic.com/