From christie.a.wilson at gmail.com  Tue Aug  3 21:25:30 2010
From: christie.a.wilson at gmail.com (Christie Wilson)
Date: Tue, 3 Aug 2010 21:25:30 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=rAj2ar2hvmg9PM9niVeaD8KzNiTTb=_VYcMGu@mail.gmail.com>

Hey guys,

I think we should wait until September for our next meeting.

Which means you guys have looooots of time to prepare and present :D

The next meeting will be on Sept. 8.  Who is interested in:
- Speaking
- Hosting

Thanks,
- Christie

2010/7/30 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>

> I can't really think of anything I can/should present.
>
> But I can again offer to record the presentations (assuming nobody objects
> and I can get a camera again).
> And I could ask work if they'd be up for loaning us a room, but I won't be
> back to the office until next week.
>
> Gavin
>
> 2010/7/30 Christie Wilson <christie.a.wilson at gmail.com>
>
>> Thanks to all who came to our last meeting! It was a lot of fun.
>>
>> Should we delay our next meeting until September? The next date for our
>> meeting is August 11th. Is anyone interested in speaking at this meeting?
>> Remember no topic is too small! We appreciate everyone who makes the effort!
>>
>> Anyone interested in hosting us? Is Gossamer available again?
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>>
>
>
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> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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From zack_blair at hotmail.com  Thu Aug  5 13:08:01 2010
From: zack_blair at hotmail.com (Zachary Blair)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 13:08:01 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=rAj2ar2hvmg9PM9niVeaD8KzNiTTb=_VYcMGu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=rAj2ar2hvmg9PM9niVeaD8KzNiTTb=_VYcMGu@mail.gmail.com>
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I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform GUI front-ends
for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt (http://qt.nokia.com/).
It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.

Best regards,
Zack 		 	   		  

From tech at tool.de  Thu Aug  5 18:01:52 2010
From: tech at tool.de (Andreas Hernitscheck)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:01:52 +0000
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
Message-ID: <201008060101.o7611qfo010000@rs68.luxsci.com>

> using Qt (http://qt.nokia.com/).


I used once 'prima' for a project:


[1]http://www.prima.eu.org/big-picture/
There is also a gui editor, But IMHO perl and guis is nothing I would 
recommend at all.

On 5 August, 2010 22:08:01 Berlin, Zachary Blair 
<zack_blair at hotmail.com> wrote:
I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform GUI 
front-ends
for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt 
(http://qt.nokia.com/).
It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
Best regards,
Zack
_______________________________________________
Vancouver-pm mailing list
Vancouver-pm at pm.org
[2]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm

--
Andreas Hernitscheck
E-mail: tech at tool.de
Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
80637 Munich, Germany
Phone: +49 176 210 16 397

References

1. http://www.prima.eu.org/big-picture/
2. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm

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From halkeye at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 18:45:50 2010
From: halkeye at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 18:45:50 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <COL122-W658EC7F5E6199854ACF0A4F7900@phx.gbl>
References: <AANLkTi=rAj2ar2hvmg9PM9niVeaD8KzNiTTb=_VYcMGu@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL122-W658EC7F5E6199854ACF0A4F7900@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=2MRximEO-WbG4of524WibkPHzTdq42K0kPVFU@mail.gmail.com>

I'd be interested in this topic.
I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another option
would be nice to know.

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair <zack_blair at hotmail.com>wrote:

>
>
> I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform GUI
> front-ends
> for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt (
> http://qt.nokia.com/).
> It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
>
> Best regards,
> Zack
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>
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From tech at tool.de  Thu Aug  5 19:40:57 2010
From: tech at tool.de (Andreas Hernitscheck)
Date: Fri, 06 Aug 2010 02:40:57 +0000
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
Message-ID: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>

> I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another 
> option would be nice to know.

Are you maybe interested in telling us about curses and perl?

I like curses, but the modules I tried did not satisfy me. especially 
they had a lot of dependencies and required things on the OS to be 
installed additionally.

Maybe you know easier ways to build 'curses dialogs'?


On 6 August, 2010 03:45:50 Berlin, Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
I'd be interested in this topic.
I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another 
option would be nice to know.
On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair 
<[1]zack_blair at hotmail.com> wrote:

  I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform 
GUI front-ends
  for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt 
([2]http://qt.nokia.com/).
  It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
  Best regards,
  Zack


_______________________________________________
Vancouver-pm mailing list
[3]Vancouver-pm at pm.org
[4]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
  
_______________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________________

_______________________________________________
Vancouver-pm mailing list
Vancouver-pm at pm.org
[5]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
--
Andreas Hernitscheck
E-mail: tech at tool.de
Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
80637 Munich, Germany
Phone: +49 176 210 16 397

References

1. mailto:zack_blair at hotmail.com
2. http://qt.nokia.com/
3. mailto:Vancouver-pm at pm.org
4. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
5. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm

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From halkeye at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 19:44:36 2010
From: halkeye at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 19:44:36 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>
References: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikb59XRq5h=bDSHGEdpqL545ZiHqMuK7p0geLv+@mail.gmail.com>

If I knew anything about it then yea, I would.

2010/8/5 Andreas Hernitscheck <tech at tool.de>

>  >I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
> option would be nice to know.
>
>   Are you maybe interested in telling us about curses and perl?
>
>  I like curses, but the modules I tried did not satisfy me. especially they
> had a lot of dependencies and required things on the OS to be installed
> additionally.
>
>  Maybe you know easier ways to build 'curses dialogs'?
>
>
>
> On 6 August, 2010 03:45:50 Berlin, Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'd be interested in this topic.
>  I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
> option would be nice to know.
>
>  On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair <zack_blair at hotmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform GUI
>> front-ends
>> for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt (
>> http://qt.nokia.com/).
>> It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Zack
>>
>>  _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>>
>  ------------------------------
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>
>  --
>  Andreas Hernitscheck
>
> E-mail: tech at tool.de
>
> Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
> 80637 Munich, Germany
>
> Phone: +49 176 210 16 397
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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From lukecloss at gmail.com  Thu Aug  5 20:17:48 2010
From: lukecloss at gmail.com (Luke Closs)
Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 20:17:48 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikb59XRq5h=bDSHGEdpqL545ZiHqMuK7p0geLv+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>
	<AANLkTikb59XRq5h=bDSHGEdpqL545ZiHqMuK7p0geLv+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZuC=vh=hQx-KbBgG52izTWb0o5ViNYaiDZNT+@mail.gmail.com>

I've done quite a bit of Curses::UI development, I'd be happy to show it off.

My open source `wikrad` is a curses wiki browser that I use all the
time at work.

Luke

2010/8/5 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>:
> If I knew anything about it then yea, I would.
>
> 2010/8/5 Andreas Hernitscheck <tech at tool.de>
>>
>> >I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
>> > option would be nice to know.
>>
>> Are you maybe interested in telling us about curses and perl?
>>
>> I like curses, but the modules I tried did not satisfy me. especially they
>> had a lot of dependencies and required things on the OS to be installed
>> additionally.
>>
>> Maybe you know easier ways to build 'curses dialogs'?
>>
>>
>> On 6 August, 2010 03:45:50 Berlin, Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'd be interested in this topic.
>> I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
>> option would be nice to know.
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair <zack_blair at hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform GUI
>>> front-ends
>>> for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt
>>> (http://qt.nokia.com/).
>>> It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
>>>
>>> Best regards,
>>> Zack
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>>
>> ________________________________
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>>
>> --
>> Andreas Hernitscheck
>>
>> E-mail: tech at tool.de
>>
>> Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
>> 80637 Munich, Germany
>>
>> Phone: +49 176 210 16 397
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>

From halkeye at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 10:14:59 2010
From: halkeye at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:14:59 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZuC=vh=hQx-KbBgG52izTWb0o5ViNYaiDZNT+@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>
	<AANLkTikb59XRq5h=bDSHGEdpqL545ZiHqMuK7p0geLv+@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimZuC=vh=hQx-KbBgG52izTWb0o5ViNYaiDZNT+@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZnphGpOajBvJF8g6qeE8LftyLwGZv1K_g2E8u@mail.gmail.com>

Sweet, I'd like to learn more about curses.

I found and updated
https://www.socialtext.net/vanpm/index.cgi?suggested_meeting_topics which is
essentially topics that people are interested in. Might help with finding
people to present (The "Oh, i didn't know anyone else but me was interested
in this" factor).

As for a location for September 8th, Looks like airG can do it (nothing
solid yet) but since the building we are in locks up at about 6, it might
make it harder for people to get in. So as a backup or if nobody minds
having to phone up when they get here, its an option.

Gavin

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Luke Closs <lukecloss at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've done quite a bit of Curses::UI development, I'd be happy to show it
> off.
>
> My open source `wikrad` is a curses wiki browser that I use all the
> time at work.
>
> Luke
>
> 2010/8/5 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>:
> > If I knew anything about it then yea, I would.
> >
> > 2010/8/5 Andreas Hernitscheck <tech at tool.de>
> >>
> >> >I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
> >> > option would be nice to know.
> >>
> >> Are you maybe interested in telling us about curses and perl?
> >>
> >> I like curses, but the modules I tried did not satisfy me. especially
> they
> >> had a lot of dependencies and required things on the OS to be installed
> >> additionally.
> >>
> >> Maybe you know easier ways to build 'curses dialogs'?
> >>
> >>
> >> On 6 August, 2010 03:45:50 Berlin, Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> I'd be interested in this topic.
> >> I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
> >> option would be nice to know.
> >>
> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair <zack_blair at hotmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform GUI
> >>> front-ends
> >>> for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt
> >>> (http://qt.nokia.com/).
> >>> It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
> >>>
> >>> Best regards,
> >>> Zack
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >>
> >> ________________________________
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >>
> >> --
> >> Andreas Hernitscheck
> >>
> >> E-mail: tech at tool.de
> >>
> >> Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
> >> 80637 Munich, Germany
> >>
> >> Phone: +49 176 210 16 397
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Vancouver-pm mailing list
> > Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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From lukecloss at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 10:16:42 2010
From: lukecloss at gmail.com (Luke Closs)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:16:42 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZnphGpOajBvJF8g6qeE8LftyLwGZv1K_g2E8u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>
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The VHS is generally available, too if we're stuck.

2010/8/9 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>:
> Sweet, I'd like to learn more about curses.
> I found and
> updated?https://www.socialtext.net/vanpm/index.cgi?suggested_meeting_topics?which
> is essentially topics that people are interested in. Might help with finding
> people to present (The "Oh, i didn't know anyone else but me was interested
> in this" factor).
> As for a location for?September 8th, Looks like airG can do it (nothing
> solid yet) but since the building we are in locks up at about 6, it might
> make it harder for people to get in. So as a backup or if nobody minds
> having to phone up when they get here, its an option.
> Gavin
> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Luke Closs <lukecloss at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I've done quite a bit of Curses::UI development, I'd be happy to show it
>> off.
>>
>> My open source `wikrad` is a curses wiki browser that I use all the
>> time at work.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>> 2010/8/5 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>:
>> > If I knew anything about it then yea, I would.
>> >
>> > 2010/8/5 Andreas Hernitscheck <tech at tool.de>
>> >>
>> >> >I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
>> >> > option would be nice to know.
>> >>
>> >> Are you maybe interested in telling us about curses and perl?
>> >>
>> >> I like curses, but the modules I tried did not satisfy me. especially
>> >> they
>> >> had a lot of dependencies and required things on the OS to be installed
>> >> additionally.
>> >>
>> >> Maybe you know easier ways to build 'curses dialogs'?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 6 August, 2010 03:45:50 Berlin, Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I'd be interested in this topic.
>> >> I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
>> >> option would be nice to know.
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair <zack_blair at hotmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform
>> >>> GUI
>> >>> front-ends
>> >>> for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt
>> >>> (http://qt.nokia.com/).
>> >>> It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
>> >>>
>> >>> Best regards,
>> >>> Zack
>> >>>
>> >>> _______________________________________________
>> >>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> >>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Andreas Hernitscheck
>> >>
>> >> E-mail: tech at tool.de
>> >>
>> >> Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
>> >> 80637 Munich, Germany
>> >>
>> >> Phone: +49 176 210 16 397
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>> >
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> > Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>> >
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>

From alister at alisterwest.com  Mon Aug  9 10:21:51 2010
From: alister at alisterwest.com (Alister West)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:21:51 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimh36P6EDBG-JspiZyaA3Mvs_4UA0eBVrochRCe@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008060240.o762evJR015772@rs68.luxsci.com>
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Alex has been away on holidays but I'm sure I can say that Gossamer is also
available.


~~
 c|_|  Alister West - Saving the world from coffee!



On 9 August 2010 10:16, Luke Closs <lukecloss at gmail.com> wrote:

> The VHS is generally available, too if we're stuck.
>
> 2010/8/9 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>:
> > Sweet, I'd like to learn more about curses.
> > I found and
> > updated
> https://www.socialtext.net/vanpm/index.cgi?suggested_meeting_topics which
> > is essentially topics that people are interested in. Might help with
> finding
> > people to present (The "Oh, i didn't know anyone else but me was
> interested
> > in this" factor).
> > As for a location for September 8th, Looks like airG can do it (nothing
> > solid yet) but since the building we are in locks up at about 6, it might
> > make it harder for people to get in. So as a backup or if nobody minds
> > having to phone up when they get here, its an option.
> > Gavin
> > On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Luke Closs <lukecloss at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've done quite a bit of Curses::UI development, I'd be happy to show it
> >> off.
> >>
> >> My open source `wikrad` is a curses wiki browser that I use all the
> >> time at work.
> >>
> >> Luke
> >>
> >> 2010/8/5 Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com>:
> >> > If I knew anything about it then yea, I would.
> >> >
> >> > 2010/8/5 Andreas Hernitscheck <tech at tool.de>
> >> >>
> >> >> >I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
> >> >> > option would be nice to know.
> >> >>
> >> >> Are you maybe interested in telling us about curses and perl?
> >> >>
> >> >> I like curses, but the modules I tried did not satisfy me. especially
> >> >> they
> >> >> had a lot of dependencies and required things on the OS to be
> installed
> >> >> additionally.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe you know easier ways to build 'curses dialogs'?
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> On 6 August, 2010 03:45:50 Berlin, Gavin <halkeye at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> I'd be interested in this topic.
> >> >> I've been tempted to play with curses to get guis going, but another
> >> >> option would be nice to know.
> >> >>
> >> >> On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Zachary Blair <
> zack_blair at hotmail.com>
> >> >> wrote:
> >> >>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I could give a short presentation/demo about writing cross-platform
> >> >>> GUI
> >> >>> front-ends
> >> >>> for Perl scripts (or any command-line program) using Qt
> >> >>> (http://qt.nokia.com/).
> >> >>> It's not super Perl-centric but it's often useful.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Best regards,
> >> >>> Zack
> >> >>>
> >> >>> _______________________________________________
> >> >>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >> >>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >> >>
> >> >> ________________________________
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Andreas Hernitscheck
> >> >>
> >> >> E-mail: tech at tool.de
> >> >>
> >> >> Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
> >> >> 80637 Munich, Germany
> >> >>
> >> >> Phone: +49 176 210 16 397
> >> >> _______________________________________________
> >> >> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > _______________________________________________
> >> > Vancouver-pm mailing list
> >> > Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
> >> >
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> >> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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From jand at activestate.com  Mon Aug  9 10:42:52 2010
From: jand at activestate.com (Jan Dubois)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 10:42:52 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <201008060101.o7611qfo010000@rs68.luxsci.com>
References: <201008060101.o7611qfo010000@rs68.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <042c01cb37ea$4af890b0$e0e9b210$@activestate.com>

Andreas Hernitscheck wrote:
> There is also a gui editor, But IMHO perl and guis is nothing I would
> recommend at all.

Why not?  Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++. :)

At ActiveState we write all GUIs for Perl tools with Tkx (a binding to
Tcl/Tk), which produces native GUIs for Windows, OS X and X-Windows,
and I know others are pretty happy with wxPerl as cross-platform GUI
toolkit as well.

As for Tkx, I think the Perl-Critic GUI frontend included in the Perl
Dev Kit looks pretty cool ( you can download a free trial if you want
to try it out yourself, or just a demo on YouTube here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgykR6tHsRU ).

But anyways, what is the reason you think GUIs and Perl don't mix?

Cheers,
-Jan



From kvn.jns at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 12:34:10 2010
From: kvn.jns at gmail.com (Kevin Jones)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:34:10 +0200
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <042c01cb37ea$4af890b0$e0e9b210$@activestate.com>
References: <201008060101.o7611qfo010000@rs68.luxsci.com>
	<042c01cb37ea$4af890b0$e0e9b210$@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikXYp8UYE-URGjc0yg3Rzb9NYiU4y+Shp7s5M_-@mail.gmail.com>

Is it just me, or did Jan just agree to give a talk on writing GUIs in perl?

Kevin

On 9 August 2010 19:42, Jan Dubois <jand at activestate.com> wrote:

> Andreas Hernitscheck wrote:
> > There is also a gui editor, But IMHO perl and guis is nothing I would
> > recommend at all.
>
> Why not?  Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
> and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++. :)
>
> At ActiveState we write all GUIs for Perl tools with Tkx (a binding to
> Tcl/Tk), which produces native GUIs for Windows, OS X and X-Windows,
> and I know others are pretty happy with wxPerl as cross-platform GUI
> toolkit as well.
>
> As for Tkx, I think the Perl-Critic GUI frontend included in the Perl
> Dev Kit looks pretty cool ( you can download a free trial if you want
> to try it out yourself, or just a demo on YouTube here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgykR6tHsRU ).
>
> But anyways, what is the reason you think GUIs and Perl don't mix?
>
> Cheers,
> -Jan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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From lukecloss at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 13:24:33 2010
From: lukecloss at gmail.com (Luke Closs)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 13:24:33 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikXYp8UYE-URGjc0yg3Rzb9NYiU4y+Shp7s5M_-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <201008060101.o7611qfo010000@rs68.luxsci.com>
	<042c01cb37ea$4af890b0$e0e9b210$@activestate.com>
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<jan>GET BACK TO WORK!</jan>

2010/8/9 Kevin Jones <kvn.jns at gmail.com>:
> Is it just me, or did Jan just agree to give a talk on writing GUIs in perl?
> Kevin
>
> On 9 August 2010 19:42, Jan Dubois <jand at activestate.com> wrote:
>>
>> Andreas Hernitscheck wrote:
>> > There is also a gui editor, But IMHO perl and guis is nothing I would
>> > recommend at all.
>>
>> Why not? ?Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
>> and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++. :)
>>
>> At ActiveState we write all GUIs for Perl tools with Tkx (a binding to
>> Tcl/Tk), which produces native GUIs for Windows, OS X and X-Windows,
>> and I know others are pretty happy with wxPerl as cross-platform GUI
>> toolkit as well.
>>
>> As for Tkx, I think the Perl-Critic GUI frontend included in the Perl
>> Dev Kit looks pretty cool ( you can download a free trial if you want
>> to try it out yourself, or just a demo on YouTube here:
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IgykR6tHsRU ).
>>
>> But anyways, what is the reason you think GUIs and Perl don't mix?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> -Jan
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>

From tech at tool.de  Mon Aug  9 16:33:15 2010
From: tech at tool.de (Andreas Hernitscheck)
Date: Mon, 09 Aug 2010 23:33:15 +0000
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
Message-ID: <201008092333.o79NXFjh006606@rs68.luxsci.com>

> Why not?  Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
> and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++. :)


I cant agree. Did GUIs with Delphi and it was sooo smooth doing that. 
Perl GUIs are quite horrible.


> But anyways, what is the reason you think GUIs and Perl don't mix?

bad gui editors, no nice default ways to bind it into code eg as XML. 
event handling in the gui editor isnt
as easy as eg. with delphi. Somehow results looks most times somehow 
"cheap". I never saw a perl prog with a powerfull frontend like for 
native windows apps.

... but lets stop trolling around here.

... However i cant come on 8 Sept, got a course then. If the 
video-camera offer is still there, I would like to see a recording 
later! ;-)








Cheers,
-Jan
_______________________________________________
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Vancouver-pm at pm.org
[1]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm

--
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E-mail: tech at tool.de
Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
80637 Munich, Germany
Phone: +49 176 210 16 397

References

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From halkeye at gmail.com  Mon Aug  9 17:02:21 2010
From: halkeye at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 17:02:21 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <201008092333.o79NXFjh006606@rs68.luxsci.com>
References: <201008092333.o79NXFjh006606@rs68.luxsci.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTvoL+zfCG8YCmaZqGGBZOYy3W_Ohh8Qo5D-Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Padre is written in perl

http://padre.perlide.org/screenshots.html

2010/8/9 Andreas Hernitscheck <tech at tool.de>

>  >Why not?  Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
>  >and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++.
> :)
>
>
>  I cant agree. Did GUIs with Delphi and it was sooo smooth doing that. Perl
> GUIs are quite horrible.
>
>
>   >But anyways, what is the reason you think GUIs and Perl don't mix?
>
>  bad gui editors, no nice default ways to bind it into code eg as XML.
> event handling in the gui editor isnt
>  as easy as eg. with delphi. Somehow results looks most times somehow
> "cheap". I never saw a perl prog with a powerfull frontend like for native
> windows apps.
>
>  ... but lets stop trolling around here.
>
>  ... However i cant come on 8 Sept, got a course then. If the video-camera
> offer is still there, I would like to see a recording later! ;-)
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> -Jan
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>
>
>  --
>  Andreas Hernitscheck
>
> E-mail: tech at tool.de
>
> Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
> 80637 Munich, Germany
>
> Phone: +49 176 210 16 397
>
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From tech at tool.de  Mon Aug  9 17:22:56 2010
From: tech at tool.de (Andreas Hernitscheck)
Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 00:22:56 +0000
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
Message-ID: <201008100022.o7A0Mu74015065@rs68.luxsci.com>

> Padre is written in perl
> [1]http://padre.perlide.org/screenshots.html

yes, it looks quite professional. Whatever the effort was and if or not 
clear code behind ;-)


anyway thanks for that link, a new perl editor is interesting anyway, 
going to try it.



2010/8/9 Andreas Hernitscheck <[2]tech at tool.de>

> Why not?  Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
> and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++. :)


I cant agree. Did GUIs with Delphi and it was sooo smooth doing that. 
Perl GUIs are quite horrible.


> But anyways, what is the reason you think GUIs and Perl don't mix?

bad gui editors, no nice default ways to bind it into code eg as XML. 
event handling in the gui editor isnt
as easy as eg. with delphi. Somehow results looks most times somehow 
"cheap". I never saw a perl prog with a powerfull frontend like for 
native windows apps.

... but lets stop trolling around here.

... However i cant come on 8 Sept, got a course then. If the 
video-camera offer is still there, I would like to see a recording 
later! ;-)








Cheers,
-Jan
_______________________________________________
Vancouver-pm mailing list
[3]Vancouver-pm at pm.org
[4]http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm

--
Andreas Hernitscheck
E-mail: [5]tech at tool.de
Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
80637 Munich, Germany
Phone: +49 176 210 16 397

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  [6]Vancouver-pm at pm.org
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E-mail: tech at tool.de
Gertrud-B?umer-Str. 10
80637 Munich, Germany
Phone: +49 176 210 16 397

References

1. http://padre.perlide.org/screenshots.html
2. mailto:tech at tool.de
3. mailto:Vancouver-pm at pm.org
4. http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
5. mailto:tech at tool.de
6. mailto:Vancouver-pm at pm.org
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From zack_blair at hotmail.com  Mon Aug  9 21:56:40 2010
From: zack_blair at hotmail.com (Zachary Blair)
Date: Mon, 9 Aug 2010 21:56:40 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] September 8 Meeting - Speakers & Hosting
In-Reply-To: <042c01cb37ea$4af890b0$e0e9b210$@activestate.com>
References: <201008060101.o7611qfo010000@rs68.luxsci.com>,
	<042c01cb37ea$4af890b0$e0e9b210$@activestate.com>
Message-ID: <COL122-W86EC4F1102F32565D66A9F7950@phx.gbl>


Jan Dubois wrote:
> Why not?  Writing user-friendly GUIs in *any* language is hard work,
> and I think it is actually easier in dynamic languages than in say C++. :)

It's interesting that you mentioned that GUI development may be easier using dynamic
languages than C++, because Qt actually relies on extensions to C++ that make it act
more like a dynamic language.

For instance, Qt adds introspection, reference-counted objects, and a class that
can store numbers or strings, and convert between the two. Whenever I am learning about
a library like that, I can't help but appreciate Perl a bit more for the things it has built-in.

Cheers,
Zack
 		 	   		  

From christie.a.wilson at gmail.com  Mon Aug 16 23:16:31 2010
From: christie.a.wilson at gmail.com (Christie Wilson)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 23:16:31 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm]  Sept 8 Meeting
Message-ID: <AANLkTimqgO26yhwF0Oa=wAxmQCMSDhYbOLeQYRXh74Jf@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone!

It looks like we have a couple people interested in speaking at our
September 8 meeting:

   - Luke - Curses::UI
   - Zachary - cross platform GUI front ends using Qt

Anyone else want to throw their hat in?

It also looks like we can use Gossamer again, unless anyone wants a change
of scenery in which case we have airG and the Vancouver Hack Space available
to us.

A quick announcement regdaring leadership: Gavin Mogan is going to try his
hand at leading our band! Let's have a big round of applause for Gavin :D

Thanks,
- Christie Wilson
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From lukecloss at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 00:52:28 2010
From: lukecloss at gmail.com (Luke Closs)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 00:52:28 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] Sept 8 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimqgO26yhwF0Oa=wAxmQCMSDhYbOLeQYRXh74Jf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimqgO26yhwF0Oa=wAxmQCMSDhYbOLeQYRXh74Jf@mail.gmail.com>
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Ack!

Well if I'm going to give one talk, I may as well give two.  If there is
space and interest I could give a talk on the huge Perl project I work on at
Socialtext - to bring the open web to organizations.

Luke


2010/8/16 Christie Wilson <christie.a.wilson at gmail.com>

> Hello everyone!
>
> It looks like we have a couple people interested in speaking at our
> September 8 meeting:
>
>    - Luke - Curses::UI
>    - Zachary - cross platform GUI front ends using Qt
>
> Anyone else want to throw their hat in?
>
> It also looks like we can use Gossamer again, unless anyone wants a change
> of scenery in which case we have airG and the Vancouver Hack Space available
> to us.
>
> A quick announcement regdaring leadership: Gavin Mogan is going to try his
> hand at leading our band! Let's have a big round of applause for Gavin :D
>
> Thanks,
> - Christie Wilson
>
> _______________________________________________
> Vancouver-pm mailing list
> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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From christie.a.wilson at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 12:12:25 2010
From: christie.a.wilson at gmail.com (Christie Wilson)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 12:12:25 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] Sept 8 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimvEhU0QXOQKfN+RUNiZ=8nadL9pqbgCqVb9ocy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimqgO26yhwF0Oa=wAxmQCMSDhYbOLeQYRXh74Jf@mail.gmail.com>
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I'd be interested in that, and so far it looks like we'd have space.

2010/8/17 Luke Closs <lukecloss at gmail.com>

> Ack!
>
> Well if I'm going to give one talk, I may as well give two.  If there is
> space and interest I could give a talk on the huge Perl project I work on at
> Socialtext - to bring the open web to organizations.
>
> Luke
>
>
> 2010/8/16 Christie Wilson <christie.a.wilson at gmail.com>
>
>> Hello everyone!
>>
>> It looks like we have a couple people interested in speaking at our
>> September 8 meeting:
>>
>>    - Luke - Curses::UI
>>    - Zachary - cross platform GUI front ends using Qt
>>
>> Anyone else want to throw their hat in?
>>
>> It also looks like we can use Gossamer again, unless anyone wants a change
>> of scenery in which case we have airG and the Vancouver Hack Space available
>> to us.
>>
>> A quick announcement regdaring leadership: Gavin Mogan is going to try his
>> hand at leading our band! Let's have a big round of applause for Gavin :D
>>
>> Thanks,
>> - Christie Wilson
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From halkeye at gmail.com  Tue Aug 17 16:03:41 2010
From: halkeye at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2010 16:03:41 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] Sept 8 Meeting
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=CKv6Ss18vZMs7qU1nuEV7DrfRkmuHNVVEPyEQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimqgO26yhwF0Oa=wAxmQCMSDhYbOLeQYRXh74Jf@mail.gmail.com>
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	<AANLkTi=CKv6Ss18vZMs7qU1nuEV7DrfRkmuHNVVEPyEQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimfEhKNErnOnbXKfzjZ_b6+qaFuq5Q=VTLmfSq0@mail.gmail.com>

me too

2010/8/17 Christie Wilson <christie.a.wilson at gmail.com>

> I'd be interested in that, and so far it looks like we'd have space.
>
> 2010/8/17 Luke Closs <lukecloss at gmail.com>
>
> Ack!
>>
>> Well if I'm going to give one talk, I may as well give two.  If there is
>> space and interest I could give a talk on the huge Perl project I work on at
>> Socialtext - to bring the open web to organizations.
>>
>> Luke
>>
>>
>> 2010/8/16 Christie Wilson <christie.a.wilson at gmail.com>
>>
>>> Hello everyone!
>>>
>>> It looks like we have a couple people interested in speaking at our
>>> September 8 meeting:
>>>
>>>    - Luke - Curses::UI
>>>    - Zachary - cross platform GUI front ends using Qt
>>>
>>> Anyone else want to throw their hat in?
>>>
>>> It also looks like we can use Gossamer again, unless anyone wants a
>>> change of scenery in which case we have airG and the Vancouver Hack Space
>>> available to us.
>>>
>>> A quick announcement regdaring leadership: Gavin Mogan is going to try
>>> his hand at leading our band! Let's have a big round of applause for Gavin
>>> :D
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> - Christie Wilson
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Vancouver-pm mailing list
>> Vancouver-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/vancouver-pm
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>
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From halkeye at gmail.com  Mon Aug 30 11:12:26 2010
From: halkeye at gmail.com (Gavin)
Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 11:12:26 -0700
Subject: [Van-pm] Meeting - September 8th 2010
Message-ID: <AANLkTikGV9UDfnQ7NGYdTE0L=y5+hnZ6yUaM5QzeS-9w@mail.gmail.com>

Trying to get all the details dealt with before I leave for PAX this
weekend.

https://www.socialtext.net/vanpm/index.cgi?meeting_september_8th_2010

I have Luke doing 2 presentations, and Zachary doing one.
*
*
**Luke Closs - Curses::UI
Luke Closs - "huge Perl project I work on at Socialtext - to bring the open
web to organizations."
Zachary Blaircross  - platform GUI front ends using Qt

For the location of the meeting, I don't remember (and can't find the email)
of the other options.
airG can host, but the building doors close at 6pm, so one of us would have
to meet people at the doors to let them in, and if you are going to be late
we'd have to arrange something ahead of time.

Let me know if there are any other options, and any preferences, and of
course if anyone else wants to present.

Thanks,
Gavin
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