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<div>Before vim? vi 😉<br><br></div><div><br>--<br>The <em>stok disclaimers</em> apply.<br><br>mike@stok.ca / mike@stok.co.uk / mike.stok@hey.com<br>http://www.stok.ca/~mike/</div><div><br></div><div>On November 3, 2021, Alex Beamish <talexb@gmail.com> wrote:</div><blockquote>I started using an IBM PC for development in Fall of '85; to begin, I used a terrible editor called XTC from a company called Wendin. They claimed to be able to shell out to run make, but it didn't work. I moved to a much better editor called Brief from (heh) Underware. That editor was super fast, and it did allow me to shell out to run make -- my first IDE. Like Indy, I used the Lattice C compiler -- expensive, but it worked great. After that, I used the Turbo C IDE to write code -- only $99 (or something), and it had an editor, compiler, make, linker and debugger all packaged to work together. Amazing value.<br><br>Before that, in the early 80's, I used EDT on a VAX/VMS, while some of the hard-core guys used TECO, which was essentially a line editor.<br><br>Like Indy, the late development details of the 70's and early 80's are a little vague for me. I would learn about a new system by using whatever editor was available, and I would get shown how to build, run and debug stuff. Picking up a new environment was just what you were used to doing. I do remember in the mid 90's discovering an awesome linker (an alternative to the slow Microsoft product) called Blinker -- it was lightning fast. Loved that product. I also used 4DOS in the late 80's, a <a href="http://command.com">command.com</a> replacement that gave you command line editing (the kind of stuff that's standard in bash). It made using the DOS command line so much easier.<br><br>Alex<br><br></blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote>On Wed, Nov 3, 2021 at 10:47 AM Indy Singh <<a href="mailto:indy@indigostar.com">indy@indigostar.com</a>> wrote:</blockquote><div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">What did people use 31 years ago before Vim?<br>
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Text editing is always a fascinating subject to me.<br>
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I know in the 70's I used paper tape and punch cards. Then an IBM mainframe <br>
online editor called Electric.<br>
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In 1980 I wrote my own editor in Fortran to run on a Teradyne minicomputer. <br>
There was some sort of online edit on PDP minicomputers.<br>
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The 80's are a bit hazy now. That's when IBM Pc's came out. After some <br>
head-scratching I recall I used the Lattice C compiler, which was <br>
Microsoft's first C compiler.<br>
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In the 90's it was a Modula 2 IDE, along with Microsoft's Visual C/C++ IDE.<br>
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Indy Singh<br>
<a href="http://www.indigostar.com">www.indigostar.com</a><br>
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Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Re: Vim turns 30 today!]<br>
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How many lines of great code have been created with Vim's help since then?<br>
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On 2021-11-03 15:21, Yegappan Lakshmanan wrote:<br>
> <a href="https://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/ql30pm/vim_turns_30_today/">https://www.reddit.com/r/vim/comments/ql30pm/vim_turns_30_today/</a><br>
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> Happy 30th Birthday!!! Thanks Bram.<br>
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</blockquote></div><blockquote>--Â </blockquote><div><br></div><blockquote>Alex Beamish<br><br>Software Developer / <span style="background-color:rgb(246,246,246);color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:helvetica,freesans,"liberation sans",helmet,arial,sans-serif"><a href="https://ca.linkedin.com/in/alex-beamish-5111ba3">https://ca.linkedin.com/in/alex-beamish-5111ba3</a></span><br><br>Speaker Wrangler / Toronto Perlmongers / <a href="http://to.pm.org/">http://to.pm.org/</a>Chair, Sponsorship Committee, TPF / <a href="https://www.perlfoundation.org/">https://www.perlfoundation.org/</a>Baritone, Operations Manager / Toronto Northern Lights, 2013 Champions / <a href="http://www.northernlightschorus.com">www.northernlightschorus.com</a><br></blockquote><div><br><br></div><blockquote>_______________________________________________<br>toronto-pm mailing list<br>toronto-pm@pm.org<br>https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm</blockquote>
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