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Let's face it, Perl isn't exactly easy. I am hoping Perl 6 may help,
but Perl 5 sigils and context take a lot of getting used to. When I
taught students, they had a hard enough time with basic Java - which
is essentially a trivial language by comparison. And so, basically,
are Python and Ruby. <br>
<br>
Perl's merit is in the complex stuff. If all you need is standard
SQL databases and CRUD, who cares? If you need to interface to LDAP,
SNMP, Twitter, OpenSSL, math libraries, C code, email, ActiveX, etc.
- that's when Java et al. gets harder and Perl gets easier.
Especially when you need to connect several of them, which is
typical. <br>
<br>
Personally, I love Catalyst, for the purposes I use it for. But then
I did web app development in Spring, which is very similar. Neither
are for a quick start, they are for seriously architected
large-scale systems. If you want to learn how to develop a good web
app, there is a lot to be said for a larger-scale framework, as you
need to get the hang of how to separate concerns and encapsulate
business logic effectively. <br>
<br>
Perl also (finally) has the object system it needed to do good
architectures. With Moose roles, you can actually break up your code
into functional components you cannot do with purely class-based
languages. Spring's hacky AspectJ went towards this, with somewhat
inexplicable terminology. The ideas Perl develops will continue to
enhance other languages as the ideas become mainstream -- I am happy
to work at the cutting edge that is modern Perl. <br>
<br>
--S<br>
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<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:stuart@morungos.com">stuart@morungos.com</a><br>
twitter.com/morungos<br>
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On 9/21/2010 10:14 AM, Dave Doyle wrote:
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cite="mid:AANLkTimK=dzShS0dQ5n3hDkY_bd9-c-WB5jFfFm9q+FN@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">
<div>While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I
don't buy the hype. CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a
curve). This year's YAPC had about 70% of folk going to their
first or second YAPC. The ecosystem itself is doing just fine.</div>
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<div>That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they
ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter). But there
are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm
concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done. I think Dancer
would be an excellent way for newbies to get started in webdev
in Perl.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Martin@Cleaver.org">Martin@Cleaver.org</a> <span dir="ltr"><<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:Martin@cleaver.org">Martin@cleaver.org</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is
where beginners should start.<br>
<br>
Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is
Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with
closures and implicit parallel programming support. Together
they give you scripting access to all the J2EE components
developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy
verboseness of XML and Java.<br>
<br>
Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't
start a new Web App in one.
<div class="im"><br>
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M.<br clear="all">
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href="http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver</a><br>
+1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM,
<span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:arocker@vex.net" target="_blank">arocker@vex.net</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
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padding-left: 1ex;">
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> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill
Stephenson <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:bills@ezinvoice.com" target="_blank">bills@ezinvoice.com</a>><br>
> wrote:<br>
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<div>>> It would seem that right now, when "Web
Apps" are really coming into<br>
>> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl
would be the place that<br>
>> "Beginners" would start looking.<br>
>><br>
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But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now;
it's all smartphones.<br>
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