From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Thu Nov 19 15:39:36 2020
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 18:39:36 -0500
Subject: [tpm] recommendations for web development frameworks
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It's been a while since I started my first major web app, 22 years ago to
be exact.
I'm now starting a new project and am looking for your recommendations for
what to use now for frameworks and libraries, in this century (instead of
CGI.pm)
for both the server side and for making pretty client side stuff.
(for example: template toolkit + node.js)

TIA
Fulko
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From yanick at babyl.ca  Thu Nov 19 16:10:14 2020
From: yanick at babyl.ca (Yanick Champoux)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 19:10:14 -0500
Subject: [tpm] recommendations for web development frameworks
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On 2020-11-19 6:39 p.m., Fulko Hew wrote:
> It's been a while since I started my first major web app, 22 years ago 
> to be exact.
> I'm now starting a new project and am looking for your recommendations for
> what to use now for frameworks and libraries, in this century (instead 
> of CGI.pm)
> for both the server side and for making pretty client side stuff.
> (for example: template toolkit + node.js)

For client stuff, I <3 Svelte hard these days.

For Perl servers, there is Dancer2 that is relatively simple and nimble. 
The guy who came up with its plugin structure is a nutjob, but the rest 
of the Dancer crew are quite a sharp bunch.

(Mojolicious also gets a lot of love these days too)

Enjoy!
`/anick

From zoffix at zoffix.com  Thu Nov 19 16:44:00 2020
From: zoffix at zoffix.com (zoffix at zoffix.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Nov 2020 19:44:00 -0500
Subject: [tpm] recommendations for web development frameworks
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Very nice list of recommendations :)

I'm gonna throw some of that love for Mojolicious. It's a framework  
that comes with an entire toolkit that's very polished. Along with  
liking the framework, I like the *quality* of the software itself.  
Feels very robust and well-tested.

We had a presentation for it at TPM in 2015 too. These are the slides:  
http://tpm2015.zoffix.com/ I think there might be a recording of the  
meeting too somewhere.





Quoting Yanick Champoux <yanick at babyl.ca>:

> On 2020-11-19 6:39 p.m., Fulko Hew wrote:
>> It's been a while since I started my first major web app, 22 years  
>> ago to be exact.
>> I'm now starting a new project and am looking for your recommendations for
>> what to use now for frameworks and libraries, in this century  
>> (instead of CGI.pm)
>> for both the server side and for making pretty client side stuff.
>> (for example: template toolkit + node.js)
>
> For client stuff, I <3 Svelte hard these days.
>
> For Perl servers, there is Dancer2 that is relatively simple and  
> nimble. The guy who came up with its plugin structure is a nutjob,  
> but the rest of the Dancer crew are quite a sharp bunch.
>
> (Mojolicious also gets a lot of love these days too)
>
> Enjoy!
> `/anick
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From shlomif at shlomifish.org  Fri Nov 20 06:08:33 2020
From: shlomif at shlomifish.org (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Fri, 20 Nov 2020 16:08:33 +0200
Subject: [tpm] recommendations for web development frameworks
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Message-ID: <20201120160833.2a4f352a@telaviv1.shlomifish.org>

Hi all!

On Thu, 19 Nov 2020 19:44:00 -0500
zoffix at zoffix.com wrote:

> Very nice list of recommendations :)
> 
> I'm gonna throw some of that love for Mojolicious. It's a framework  
> that comes with an entire toolkit that's very polished. Along with  
> liking the framework, I like the *quality* of the software itself.  
> Feels very robust and well-tested.
> 
> We had a presentation for it at TPM in 2015 too. These are the slides:  
> http://tpm2015.zoffix.com/ I think there might be a recording of the  
> meeting too somewhere.
> 

Mojolicious does seem to be more popular than Dancer2 and both are certainly
easier to learn and use than Catalyst (which is more complex but may be more
manageable for larger, like the distinction between Django bs. flask or
bottle.py).

Regarding client-side frameworks there is no shortage of them (see e.g:
https://hackernoon.com/how-it-feels-to-learn-javascript-in-2016-d3a717dd577f
and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm2h0cbvsw8 ). Some of them that I use are:

* https://emscripten.org/

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TypeScript

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sass_(stylesheet_language) (SCSS)

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JQuery and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JQuery_UI

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Webpack (only did one small task so far)

* https://github.com/shlomif/python-vnu_validator

* https://metacpan.org/release/Code-TidyAll

* https://github.com/prettier/prettier/

Usually I found that learning the syntax was fairly easy for me, but getting
the (CLI/etc.) tooling to work properly was much more time-consuming.

> 
> 
> 
> 
> Quoting Yanick Champoux <yanick at babyl.ca>:
> 
> > On 2020-11-19 6:39 p.m., Fulko Hew wrote:  
> >> It's been a while since I started my first major web app, 22 years  
> >> ago to be exact.
> >> I'm now starting a new project and am looking for your recommendations for
> >> what to use now for frameworks and libraries, in this century  
> >> (instead of CGI.pm)
> >> for both the server side and for making pretty client side stuff.
> >> (for example: template toolkit + node.js)  
> >
> > For client stuff, I <3 Svelte hard these days.
> >
> > For Perl servers, there is Dancer2 that is relatively simple and  
> > nimble. The guy who came up with its plugin structure is a nutjob,  
> > but the rest of the Dancer crew are quite a sharp bunch.
> >
> > (Mojolicious also gets a lot of love these days too)
> >
> > Enjoy!
> > `/anick
> > _______________________________________________
> > toronto-pm mailing list
> > toronto-pm at pm.org
> > https://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm  
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Thu Nov 26 10:12:19 2020
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:12:19 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Do we have a meeting tonight?
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From talexb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 26 10:49:11 2020
From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish)
Date: Thu, 26 Nov 2020 13:49:11 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Do we have a meeting tonight?
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Yup!

https://www.meetup.com/Toronto-Perl-Mongers/events/dtdtrrybcpbjc/

I thought I'd announced this already.

Alex

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