From arocker at Vex.Net  Wed Jun  1 07:52:27 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2011 10:52:27 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Has Verity been reading the Perl 6 spec?
Message-ID: <b4bd5a5df49d1e7e483cce0159618e91.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/01/verity_stob_english_upgrade/

I think even those who haven't will enjoy the article.


From mike at stok.ca  Sat Jun  4 18:06:52 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2011 21:06:52 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Possible topic for June talk
Message-ID: <953472A7-F408-438A-9F43-DA3E018705C4@stok.ca>

Is anyone willing or able to give a high level overview of the benefits of perl 5.14.x compared to, say perl 5.8 or 5.10 for the June talk?

Mike

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From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Jun  8 07:05:31 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 10:05:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Creating debian packages of perl modules
Message-ID: <BANLkTinHZ1tqZWNWb_6CjH57+2saYc5nww@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all,

I found this article, but it's a tad old:
http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/78

Wondering if this is still pretty much the way to create debian-packaged
perl modules, or if I should be looking for more up-to-date information?


Thanks,
-Bobby
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From antoniosun at lavabit.com  Wed Jun  8 09:18:00 2011
From: antoniosun at lavabit.com (Antonio Sun)
Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2011 12:18:00 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Creating debian packages of perl modules
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinHZ1tqZWNWb_6CjH57+2saYc5nww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinHZ1tqZWNWb_6CjH57+2saYc5nww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimNfd3DR8zh7WkOwY2JO-xY2mT65g@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 10:05 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
>
> I found this article, but it's a tad old:
> http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/78
>
> Wondering if this is still pretty much the way to create debian-packaged
> perl modules
>

Yep, I believe it still is. E.g.,

  dh-make-perl --build --cpan HTML::Template::JIT
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From mike at stok.ca  Thu Jun  9 04:03:52 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2011 07:03:52 -0400
Subject: [tpm] June and July talks
Message-ID: <66501EFA-52BB-4F4C-92EA-3C33E07535C3@stok.ca>

I'm looking for volunteers for short talks in June and July.

Are any of the YAPC::NA attendees willing to give a quick talk in July?

Contact me on or off list.

Mike

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From benji at silverinsanity.com  Tue Jun 14 08:47:11 2011
From: benji at silverinsanity.com (Brian Gernhardt)
Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2011 11:47:11 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Rochesterian looking for ride to YAPC::NA
Message-ID: <CC4F03F9-5781-4263-BC89-593C86312DE8@silverinsanity.com>

Greetings Mongers!

My name is Brian Gernhardt and I'm a graduate student at the Rochester Institute of Technology.  As part of Google Summer of Code, I'm working on Parrot (the VM underneath Rakudo, one of the larger Perl 6 implementations).  A friend and I are planning on heading down to YAPC::NA to meet up with some of the people I'm working with for the summer.  I met some people in Buffalo.PM and none of them were planning on making the trip, but did suggest that I see if anyone from farther north were planning on driving through Buffalo on their way down.

I was curious to know if anyone was interested in carpooling.  We could meet up in Buffalo and help split costs.  I am trying to stay for a hackathon the day after the conference (June 30th), so am looking to come back on July 1st.

(We already have a room, just looking for a ride.)

~~ Brian

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From: mike at stok.ca (mike at stok.ca)
Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2011 17:53:06 -0700
Subject: [tpm] Books and News from the O'Reilly User Group Program--June
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From mike at stok.ca  Sun Jun 19 08:36:35 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2011 11:36:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] July talks - YAPC::NA reviews
Message-ID: <E00425C7-0035-46CB-8DEC-5F0489E738BF@stok.ca>

If any of the people going to YAPC::NA would like to give a quick talk on their impressions and take-aways from the conference  (anywhere form two to twenty minutes) at the July meeting then please let me know.  I'm hoping that we can have a couple of YAPC::NA talks and a technical talk for July.

Mike

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From jztam at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 22 11:59:39 2011
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2011 11:59:39 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] RFI: Anyone up to speed on using perl for smoketesting front
	ends?
In-Reply-To: <E00425C7-0035-46CB-8DEC-5F0489E738BF@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <560061.74505.qm@web125702.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

SCOPE: 
I'm just doing a proof of concept, on a shoestring, for an automated GUI testing smoketest.? For now, I'm just using Selenium on a web app and munging the keystroke and mouse events into perl using caveman brain translations.
Q1:? Are there other perl-friendly Windows GUI testing frameworks or apps other than these packages:
WWW::Selenium;? Win32::GuiTest;? and?? *SendKeys ?? Looked at Watir? for a day but didn't get too far into it.

I'd be interested in reading other solutions, even if they are not perlish.? I know there are tools around that allow you to "record" a manual testing session, I just don't know which ones are lightweight and play nice with the packages mentioned above, and in your future replies.
Eventually will want to write this kind of smoketest for native Windows apps; and to be able to empower others to make their own test cases, after they have the first 20 tests written for them.

Q2:? Is there a way to avoid using the monolithic HP QTP, Mercury Suite, Robo*? tools,?? and manage all the testing lifecycles taxonomy and integration, in the early adopter stages?? Really don't want another disorderly collection of unmaintainable, non-modular scripts.
I'm? thinking that perl, unixy and commandline versioning, build & release? tools will suffice.

FWIW:? I'll ask the TDD, Agile, XP offshoot questions in a later post.
Cheers,? and thanks in advance.
/jordan
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From jztam at yahoo.com  Fri Jun 24 11:32:26 2011
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 11:32:26 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm]  Is there a way to choose from several interpreters,
	using the hashBang?
In-Reply-To: <E00425C7-0035-46CB-8DEC-5F0489E738BF@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <9044.73101.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

CAVEAT:? Windoze XP and Server2003/5? here. Ugh.? I'm trying to figure out an elegant way to have multiple install trees able to be sourced, either just before a perl program is executed, or at the time the hashBang line is encountered. 

I thought there was a nifty cool way to select the particular?? perl interpreter just before the #! line, or actually AT the? #!? line.
1. Q: what if the caller's %PATH% environment variable does NOT contain a valid pathToInterpreter
2. Q:? What if the the install tree that is eventually found, is missing a use'd or require'd? package, or the wrong version of the package?

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From stuart at morungos.com  Fri Jun 24 12:03:42 2011
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:03:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Is there a way to choose from several interpreters,
 using the hashBang?
In-Reply-To: <9044.73101.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <9044.73101.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <4E04DF8E.3000407@morungos.com>

On 11-06-24 02:32 PM, J Z Tam wrote:

> CAVEAT:  Windoze XP and Server2003/5  here. Ugh.  I'm trying to figure 
> out an elegant way to have multiple install trees able to be sourced, 
> either just before a perl program is executed, or at the time the 
> hashBang line is encountered.
>
> I thought there was a nifty cool way to select the particular   perl 
> interpreter just before the #! line, or actually AT the  #!  line.
> 1. Q: what if the caller's %PATH% environment variable does NOT 
> contain a valid pathToInterpreter
> 2. Q:  What if the the install tree that is eventually found, is 
> missing a use'd or require'd  package, or the wrong version of the 
> package?

I believe hashbang is only UNIX-ish systems. In fact, it isn't exactly 
reliable even there, and I tend to use #!/usr/bin/env perl to find the 
one in the path, just to be on the safe side. And on Windows, the path 
is really what you need to use. I think you can map the file extension 
to the executable, that would be the Windowsy thing to do. But I always 
work to keep the dependency on the executable out of the scripts to 
reduce maintenance. Scripts will, therefore, fail if there isn't a Perl 
in the path, and throw errors in the event of a missing module or file, etc.

Windows does also use some environment variables, such as PERL5LIB, 
which is used to initialize @INC, in addition to the contents of the 
command line.

So on Windows, it usually comes down to environment variable hacking of 
some sort. Usually I did this by autogenerating batch scripts which 
contain the right values (I have other values to set), but most people 
use pl2bat for this. In fact, pl2bat might be what you are looking for. 
It's probably there already installed.

All the best
Stuart

From indy at indigostar.com  Fri Jun 24 12:25:00 2011
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2011 15:25:00 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Is there a way to choose from several interpreters,
	using the hashBang?
In-Reply-To: <9044.73101.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <9044.73101.qm@web125704.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F2B6FBD9CB2F479DA5BB105A5BDA1BB6@indyPC>

Windows version of Perl come with a script called pl2bat, which converts a perl script to a batch file.  This is done by wrapping the perl script with some line of batch code.  An example for a single line ?Hello world? script is later in the email.  The batch file initially runs as a batch file, then calls the Perl interpreter using the same batch file as the input perl script.  The command to do that is: ?perl ?x ?S %0?.  
This looks for the Perl interpreter using the PATH environment variable.  

You could change the wrapper batch file to look for Perl in multiple places.

Windows does not use the #! line to locate perl, except in the special case of running the script under Apache as a CGI script.

Instead of pulling in the modules with ?use? statements, you can wrap the use statements with an eval expression.  Something like this (untested) code:
eval (?use Foo:: Bar;?);
if ($@) {
    print error message and exit.
}


===== EXAMPLE BATCH FILE WRAPPED PERL SCRIPT ==============
@rem = '--*-Perl-*--
@echo off
if "%OS%" == "Windows_NT" goto WinNT
perl -x -S "%0" %1 %2 %3 %4 %5 %6 %7 %8 %9
goto endofperl
:WinNT
perl -x -S %0 %*
if NOT "%COMSPEC%" == "%SystemRoot%\system32\cmd.exe" goto endofperl
if %errorlevel% == 9009 echo You do not have Perl in your PATH.
if errorlevel 1 goto script_failed_so_exit_with_non_zero_val 2>nul
goto endofperl
@rem ';
#!perl
#line 15
print "hello world\n";

__END__
:endofperl


Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

From: J Z Tam 
Sent: Friday, June 24, 2011 2:32 PM
To: Toronto Perl Mongers ; Mike Stok 
Subject: [tpm] Is there a way to choose from several interpreters,using the hashBang?

      CAVEAT:  Windoze XP and Server2003/5  here. Ugh.  I'm trying to figure out an elegant way to have multiple install trees able to be sourced, either just before a perl program is executed, or at the time the hashBang line is encountered. 

      I thought there was a nifty cool way to select the particular   perl interpreter just before the #! line, or actually AT the  #!  line.
      1. Q: what if the caller's %PATH% environment variable does NOT contain a valid pathToInterpreter
      2. Q:  What if the the install tree that is eventually found, is missing a use'd or require'd  package, or the wrong version of the package?

     



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From rdice at pobox.com  Sat Jun 25 05:32:55 2011
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:32:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Damian Conway in Toronto the first week of August,
 presenting free public talks evenings of Aug 2 and Aug 4
Message-ID: <BANLkTinKi65RBBpBqKF2M2Bm60cO_SEEog@mail.gmail.com>

Good news, everyone!

Our favourite Mad Scientist of Perl, Dr. Damian Conway, will once again come
to Toronto to provide free public talks both educational and entertaining!

*Tuesday Aug 2 @ 7pm
University of Toronto, St. George Campus (downtown), Sanford Flemming
Building Room # 1105 ("The Blue Room")
"The Twilight Perl" -- http://damian.conway.org/Seminars/Twilight.html*

*?You unlock this door with the key of a hash. Beyond it is another
dimension?a dimension of strange constructs, a dimension of improbable
behaviour. You're moving into a land of both weird syntax and unlikely
semantics, of unintended features and unexpected beauty. You've just crossed
over into...The Twilight Perl.?*

Join Damian for a head-trip through a dozen or so arcane and sinister
?features? of Perl. Much of what you thought was required...isn?t; some of
what you thought was impossible...is easy. Cast off your strictures and
warnings and set your programs free. Embrace the Dark Side of the Code. You
have nothing to lose?except your sanity!

(Ed.: This is going to be the more outlandish of his two talks this year.)
*Thursday Aug 4 @ 7pm
University of Toronto, St. George Campus (downtown), Sanford Flemming
Building Room # 1105 ("The Blue Room")
"(Re)Developing in Perl 6" --
http://damian.conway.org/Seminars/ReDeveloping.html*

Now that Perl 6 is available in a usable form <http://www.rakudo.org/>, over
the past twelve months Damian has revisited some of his most popular Perl 5
modules and reimplemented them in "native" Perl 6.

In this talk he will walk through the changes needed to port several of
those modules, a journey that gives a surprisingly thorough overview of how
the two languages differ, as well as insights into the relative strengths of
each.

Info on the location of Sanford Flemming within St. George Campus, TTC info,
parking info can be found at:
http://osm.utoronto.ca/map/f?p=110:1:2092650610450120

The talks will start promptly at 7pm.  We have the room booked earlier than
that, so give yourself time to come in and take a seat.  People who arrive
at 6:59pm will NOT get good seats.  If you are driving, please allow
yourself LOTS of extra time for (a) traffic and (b) getting from whereever
you parked your car to Sanford Flemming.  U of T campus is pretty big.

*About Damian
-------------------*
For those of you who don't already know...

  * http://damian.conway.org/About_us/Bio_formal.html
  * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Conway
  * http://fyi.oreilly.com/2008/08/the-mind-of-damian-conway-scie.html

  * What the Internet thinks of him! --
http://www.googlism.com/who_is/d/damian_conway/

Damian has given talks in Toronto most years since 2001 and they are widely
enjoyed, even by IT people who don't normally "do the Perl thing."  Think of
it as the Toronto IT community's annual party.

*I can has donation plz?
-------------------------------
*Damian's trip to Toronto is un-funded... that is, as of right now it's
coming out of his own pocketbook.  However, as I have done for the past 10
years I am organizing a community pass-'round-the-hat donation to help cover
the expenses (i.e. a plane ticket from the west coast, roughly a week of
hotel rooms, and meals and other incidentals while he is here).  If you
would like to help out with these expenses, please get in touch with me
off-list.  Donations from companies are gladly welcomed, too!  Any funds
raised in excess of what is needed to cover his expenses will be given to
him as an honorarium for his visit.

Damian is also available for corporate training during that week.  (His
offerings: http://damian.conway.org/Courses/)  Please get in touch with me
if you know any one / any company that might be interested.

Please circulate this email / annoucement!  Forward to any one / any company
you think might be interested.  We always have a great crowd come out for
Damian's events and getting the word out widely is a big part of that.

Did I omit any important information?  Please ask me, and when I send out
reminder emails I will include that info in them.

Looking forward to seeing you soon...

Cheers,
 - Richard

P.S. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1D1cap6yETA
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 05:43:07 2011
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:43:07 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Damian Conway in Toronto the first week of August,
 presenting free public talks evenings of Aug 2 and Aug 4
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTinKi65RBBpBqKF2M2Bm60cO_SEEog@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinKi65RBBpBqKF2M2Bm60cO_SEEog@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTikoRyi+-w+T5uSY+zZ5meGgSFFLhw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Richard Dice <rdice at pobox.com> wrote:

> Good news, everyone!
>
> Our favourite Mad Scientist of Perl, Dr. Damian Conway, will once again
> come to Toronto to provide free public talks both educational and
> entertaining!
>

RATS!
I'm not around that week.
It will be his first visit to Toronto that I'm going to miss his visit.
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From ceeshek at gmail.com  Sat Jun 25 16:17:06 2011
From: ceeshek at gmail.com (Cees Hek)
Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2011 09:17:06 +1000
Subject: [tpm] Damian Conway in Toronto the first week of August,
 presenting free public talks evenings of Aug 2 and Aug 4
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTikoRyi+-w+T5uSY+zZ5meGgSFFLhw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTinKi65RBBpBqKF2M2Bm60cO_SEEog@mail.gmail.com>
	<BANLkTikoRyi+-w+T5uSY+zZ5meGgSFFLhw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTimQ5SHEg42XmK42MifwxSJaWxWa6g@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 10:43 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 8:32 AM, Richard Dice <rdice at pobox.com> wrote:
>>
>> Good news, everyone!
>>
>> Our favourite Mad Scientist of Perl, Dr. Damian Conway, will once again
>> come to Toronto to provide free public talks both educational and
>> entertaining!
>
> RATS!
> I'm not around that week.
> It will be his first visit to Toronto that I'm going to miss his visit.

I'm missing it by a week as well.  I'm back in Canada for most of July
for a holiday, but I'll be gone by July 26th...

If there is a meeting in July I'll try and drop by to say hi.

Cheers,

Cees

From mike at stok.ca  Wed Jun 29 04:42:41 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:42:41 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Meeting Thursday 30 Jun 2011
Message-ID: <7DD07BEE-B053-4217-AB61-F167960A3BAA@stok.ca>

There is a meeting whose focus is the features in newer Perls.  Details at http://to.pm.org

Mike

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From mike at stok.ca  Wed Jun 29 04:54:48 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2011 07:54:48 -0400
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