From jbl at jbldata.com  Sat Jan  1 18:58:53 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 21:58:53 -0500
Subject: [tpm] cpanminus and minicpan.. any success?
In-Reply-To: <F50B7F47-A711-4781-8616-E1A4C4CC82C1@vilerichard.com>
References: <AANLkTi=BSXvGtVVdRsLmyLoFGEMEoGPvo4gdnpqi=h-0@mail.gmail.com>
	<F50B7F47-A711-4781-8616-E1A4C4CC82C1@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTqrXhsm+v2VHOa-kaK6cJhhaem4UB-rntF-K6@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Olaf, that did the trick.. didn't see --mirror in the context help.

On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 12:24 PM, Olaf Alders <olaf at vilerichard.com> wrote:

> I use this in my .bashrc:
>
> alias cpanx='cpanm --mirror file:///home/cpan/CPAN/'
>
> Olaf
>
> On 2010-12-31, at 11:21 AM, J. Bobby Lopez wrote:
>
> > Hey all,
> >
> > Trying to get cpanminus to read from my local minicpan, anyone got this
> working?
> >
> >
> > Bobby
> > _______________________________________________
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> > toronto-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
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>
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Sat Jan  1 19:01:54 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Sat, 1 Jan 2011 22:01:54 -0500
Subject: [tpm] SDL::App doesn't seem to be installable from CPAN,
	can someone confirm?
Message-ID: <AANLkTini2x2nPJYLiaOmWXBhdP+pk0SSp9eNg9MTvZrU@mail.gmail.com>

I'm trying to install SDL::App from CPAN, and for some reason it doesn't
seem to exist.  I'm simply installing with 'cpan SDL::App', but no go.
 Installing 'cpan SDL' works fine.

Something I'm missing, or is something messed up?

Bobby
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From cj at cr-jay.ca  Mon Jan  3 06:24:25 2011
From: cj at cr-jay.ca (Chris Jones)
Date: Mon, 03 Jan 2011 09:24:25 -0500
Subject: [tpm] SG Indy to give away
Message-ID: <20110103142424.MQYD19437.tomts16-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip3.srvr.bell.ca>

I have an old Indy workstation.  It hasn't been turned on since 
1998.  A "project" that I will never get to.

I have the original monitor and a copy of the Irix OS, 6.?

Any takers?


From antoniosun at lavabit.com  Mon Jan  3 19:46:35 2011
From: antoniosun at lavabit.com (Antonio Sun)
Date: Mon, 3 Jan 2011 22:46:35 -0500
Subject: [tpm] GTALUG language comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=94Wd1pedJM736_m19dFMCSgMzEH54af608EwA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimAKQsxQnmUUT6okZmQQJTvvqqKmcMOwS8VhWCO@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bd2468d0b02f5e4c58c552277dd6fe5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTik9xeL9TVAdgLZi=w+tSe3xXwOyT1knwkruxz7_@mail.gmail.com>

Although it is not video taped, there does exist unofficial digital voice
recording -- not quite as good as videos but at least you get everything
without taking too much disk space.

Please check out

http://ifile.it/t8nz74a/GTALUG_Dynamic-Language-Smack-Down_2010-12-14.mp3

Warning

- big file: 15M in size
- limited availability: I don't know how long it will stay there. So if you
plan to take a sneak peek at it, better grab it soon.
- look carefully when downloading, pick the correct button to click, not
those big ones.

HTH

Cheers

Antonio

On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:15 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:

> I didn't get a chance to come out either, but my buddy Faisal was present,
> and he says that the Ruby and Perl camps held their own, but the Lisp camp
> didn't have good representation, except for Clojure, which apparently did
> well.  Erlang also apparently did well.  Too bad it wasn't recorded :(
>
> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
>> > I got distracted at the last minute so was unable to attend the
>> > language comparison .. how did it go? Anything useful?
>> >
>> > Tom
>>
>> For such a religiously sensitive topic, remarkably calmly. I don't know if
>> anyone took away any useful cultural learnings.
>>
>> I still don't understand how a concept as apparently malleable as
>> Smalltalk can be employed in a production environment.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Tue Jan  4 08:11:59 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Tue, 4 Jan 2011 11:11:59 -0500
Subject: [tpm] GTALUG language comparison
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTik9xeL9TVAdgLZi=w+tSe3xXwOyT1knwkruxz7_@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimAKQsxQnmUUT6okZmQQJTvvqqKmcMOwS8VhWCO@mail.gmail.com>
	<7bd2468d0b02f5e4c58c552277dd6fe5.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<AANLkTi=94Wd1pedJM736_m19dFMCSgMzEH54af608EwA@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTik9xeL9TVAdgLZi=w+tSe3xXwOyT1knwkruxz7_@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=E_2hBkpn9GFK8_q_EP-pTLyNfZQKwzw+F1vi=@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks very much!

Downloaded it.  Will review as soon as time permits.

On Mon, Jan 3, 2011 at 10:46 PM, Antonio Sun <antoniosun at lavabit.com> wrote:

>
> Although it is not video taped, there does exist unofficial digital voice
> recording -- not quite as good as videos but at least you get everything
> without taking too much disk space.
>
> Please check out
>
> http://ifile.it/t8nz74a/GTALUG_Dynamic-Language-Smack-Down_2010-12-14.mp3
>
> Warning
>
> - big file: 15M in size
> - limited availability: I don't know how long it will stay there. So if you
> plan to take a sneak peek at it, better grab it soon.
> - look carefully when downloading, pick the correct button to click, not
> those big ones.
>
> HTH
>
> Cheers
>
> Antonio
>
> On Sun, Dec 26, 2010 at 12:15 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:
>
>> I didn't get a chance to come out either, but my buddy Faisal was present,
>> and he says that the Ruby and Perl camps held their own, but the Lisp camp
>> didn't have good representation, except for Clojure, which apparently did
>> well.  Erlang also apparently did well.  Too bad it wasn't recorded :(
>>
>> On Fri, Dec 24, 2010 at 5:16 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>>
>>> > I got distracted at the last minute so was unable to attend the
>>> > language comparison .. how did it go? Anything useful?
>>> >
>>> > Tom
>>>
>>> For such a religiously sensitive topic, remarkably calmly. I don't know
>>> if
>>> anyone took away any useful cultural learnings.
>>>
>>> I still don't understand how a concept as apparently malleable as
>>> Smalltalk can be employed in a production environment.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> toronto-pm mailing list
>>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From mike at stok.ca  Wed Jan  5 11:18:21 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:18:21 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
Message-ID: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>

Last year we thought that TPM might want some involvement in the Google Summer of Code in 2011.  I pencilled it in for January, so I'm wondering if anyone interested in GSoC and driving that project will be turning up at this month's meeting (29 Jan 2011).

There is no other talk scheduled for the January meeting yet, does anyone have anything they would like to present?  If nobody does then I'll either have to strong-arm some innocent at work to give a presentation, or *shock* give a talk myself!  

Happy 2011 TPMers.

Mike

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From mike at stok.ca  Wed Jan  5 11:21:30 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:21:30 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
References: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <769EFB4D-697B-4D73-9B20-16A4FFB265A7@stok.ca>

Sorry, I mis-typed the date.  This month's meeting is on Thu 27 Jan 2011.

Mike

On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:18 PM, Mike Stok wrote:

> Last year we thought that TPM might want some involvement in the Google Summer of Code in 2011.  I pencilled it in for January, so I'm wondering if anyone interested in GSoC and driving that project will be turning up at this month's meeting (29 Jan 2011).
> 
> There is no other talk scheduled for the January meeting yet, does anyone have anything they would like to present?  If nobody does then I'll either have to strong-arm some innocent at work to give a presentation, or *shock* give a talk myself!  
> 
> Happy 2011 TPMers.
> 
> Mike
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/
> 
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
> 
> 
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Wed Jan  5 11:41:08 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:41:08 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
References: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <7F88BB76-DC70-4538-831C-CE98EF55B3CA@vilerichard.com>

On 2011-01-05, at 2:18 PM, Mike Stok wrote:

> Last year we thought that TPM might want some involvement in the Google Summer of Code in 2011.  I pencilled it in for January, so I'm wondering if anyone interested in GSoC and driving that project will be turning up at this month's meeting (29 Jan 2011).
> 
> There is no other talk scheduled for the January meeting yet, does anyone have anything they would like to present?  If nobody does then I'll either have to strong-arm some innocent at work to give a presentation, or *shock* give a talk myself!  
> 
> Happy 2011 TPMers.
> 
> Mike

Actually, Mike, would you be interested in talking a bit about git-flow?

Olaf
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From mike at stok.ca  Wed Jan  5 13:26:21 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:26:21 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <7F88BB76-DC70-4538-831C-CE98EF55B3CA@vilerichard.com>
References: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
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On Jan 5, 2011, at 2:41 PM, Olaf Alders wrote:

> Actually, Mike, would you be interested in talking a bit about git-flow?

Alex Beamish has volunteered to give a presentation about git-flow this month.

Mike

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From arocker at Vex.Net  Wed Jan  5 13:55:03 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 16:55:03 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <70AFE236-37CC-4C7D-8504-A083B1AFFA74@stok.ca>
References: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
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Message-ID: <1e04c2702417f6f99e2a70b541292f2b.squirrel@mail.vex.net>

>
> Alex Beamish has volunteered to give a presentation about git-flow this
> month.
>
Wasn't the reason for picking January as the GSoC meeting that submissions
have to be in fairly soon?


From mike at stok.ca  Wed Jan  5 14:15:11 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:15:11 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <1e04c2702417f6f99e2a70b541292f2b.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
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On Jan 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:

>> 
>> Alex Beamish has volunteered to give a presentation about git-flow this
>> month.
>> 
> Wasn't the reason for picking January as the GSoC meeting that submissions
> have to be in fairly soon?

Yes.

Having more than 1 speaker / topic per month is a good insurance policy, so we can have multiple topics.  My hope is to have at least some technical "meat" each month, so GSoC & git-flow seem like a reasonable mix...

Last year's deadline for an organisation wanting to apply to GSoC (in early March) is mentioned at http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#applying  I haven't seen the timetable for 2011 anywhere yet.

Mike

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From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Jan  5 14:46:49 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 17:46:49 -0500
Subject: [tpm] January meeting
In-Reply-To: <E3A7225C-45E2-43CC-AEBB-7169EBA6A0C2@stok.ca>
References: <1CA9BE70-DE70-4EDA-9524-166FBA955BAF@stok.ca>
	<7F88BB76-DC70-4538-831C-CE98EF55B3CA@vilerichard.com>
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	<E3A7225C-45E2-43CC-AEBB-7169EBA6A0C2@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikjsDqeqrO7Uq-AruwwVgddGjzaYhmsWuszWvh5@mail.gmail.com>

Just a thought, but you may want to consider using reddit to discuss/vote on
ideas for GSoC.  There's even a perl-specific section which could garner a
lot of useful feedback:

http://www.reddit.com/r/perl

On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

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> On Jan 5, 2011, at 4:55 PM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:
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> >>
> >> Alex Beamish has volunteered to give a presentation about git-flow this
> >> month.
> >>
> > Wasn't the reason for picking January as the GSoC meeting that
> submissions
> > have to be in fairly soon?
>
> Yes.
>
> Having more than 1 speaker / topic per month is a good insurance policy, so
> we can have multiple topics.  My hope is to have at least some technical
> "meat" each month, so GSoC & git-flow seem like a reasonable mix...
>
> Last year's deadline for an organisation wanting to apply to GSoC (in early
> March) is mentioned at
> http://socghop.appspot.com/document/show/gsoc_program/google/gsoc2010/faqs#applying I haven't seen the timetable for 2011 anywhere yet.
>
> Mike
>
> - --
>
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/ <http://www.stok.ca/%7Emike/>
>
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>
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From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  7 08:39:36 2011
From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 11:39:36 -0500
Subject: [tpm] XKCD struck a nerve
Message-ID: <AANLkTim0wt4arH8m2LOc3mAPxzq23zh7pFpSwYJfZF9z@mail.gmail.com>

This struck a nerve. Sometimes things are too true to be funny:
     http://xkcd.com/844/

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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Jan  7 12:28:07 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 7 Jan 2011 15:28:07 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Looking for a Junior Perl dev
Message-ID: <E7DB2BD2-581E-4A98-A2B5-55A9557CC046@vilerichard.com>

Hi folks,

We're looking to hire a junior Perl dev here at Raybec. http://jobs.perl.org/job/13420 Please feel free to pass this along to anyone who may be interested.  For details, contact me or @ioncache (mark at raybec.com).

Olaf
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From legrady at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 19:16:05 2011
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:16:05 -0500
Subject: [tpm] fmt string effect on array of values
Message-ID: <AANLkTini=gkidZA+3vxF9cb3xrvYL8c9LxnoaKHBgfXu@mail.gmail.com>

I'm writing a little demo program for work. I've generating a header
for a table :

Originally I had a set of values and a set of strings of hyphens, but
I thought I should use an array of values, and generate the hyphens
from the list. That way if i rename the fields, the hyphenation will
follow automatically. So I tried:

    my @fields = ( q/size N sum avg/ );
    printf $fmt, ( @fields );
    printf $fmt, map { q{-} x length $_ } @fields;

By the way, $fmt is "%16s %4s %16s %16s\n";

But the %s in the fmt string provides a double-quoted string context
to @fields, so all the values go into the first field and the others
are empty.

    size N sum avg
Use of uninitialized value in printf at ./filecount.pl line 133.
Use of uninitialized value in printf at ./filecount.pl line 133.
Use of uninitialized value in printf at ./filecount.pl line 133.
    --------------

Additional values outside the array are properly put into the
additional fields, at least in monospace font they look right:

    printf $fmt, ( @fields ), 'x', 'y', 'z';
    printf $fmt, map { q{-} x length $_ } @fields, 'x', 'y', 'z';

    size N sum avg    x                y                z
    --------------    -                -                -

Any ideas on how to partition the array elements among the various
fields, other than reverting to separate strings?

Tom

From legrady at gmail.com  Sat Jan  8 19:32:12 2011
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:32:12 -0500
Subject: [tpm] fmt string effect on array of values
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTini=gkidZA+3vxF9cb3xrvYL8c9LxnoaKHBgfXu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTini=gkidZA+3vxF9cb3xrvYL8c9LxnoaKHBgfXu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim1BibW4oD6W_a94+0Vt9F0LAnm4R20YcvyynDj@mail.gmail.com>

I was about to send a message pointing out that qw// works better than
q//, but Andy Jack found it in 13 seconds flat .... Would you like
your cigar to be "Havana" or "chocolate"?

Tom

On 1/8/11, Tom Legrady <legrady at gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm writing a little demo program for work. I've generating a header
> for a table :
>
>     my @fields = ( q/size N sum avg/ );
>

From rdice at pobox.com  Sat Jan  8 19:35:51 2011
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Sat, 8 Jan 2011 22:35:51 -0500
Subject: [tpm] fmt string effect on array of values
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim1BibW4oD6W_a94+0Vt9F0LAnm4R20YcvyynDj@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTini=gkidZA+3vxF9cb3xrvYL8c9LxnoaKHBgfXu@mail.gmail.com>
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> Would you like
> your cigar to be "Havana" or "chocolate"?
>
>
Is "exploding" an option?
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From matt at sergeant.org  Thu Jan 13 08:22:32 2011
From: matt at sergeant.org (Matt Sergeant)
Date: Thu, 13 Jan 2011 11:22:32 -0500
Subject: [tpm] [JOB] Perl at Symantec in Markham
Message-ID: <4D2F26C8.6020503@sergeant.org>

[Hope job postings are on topic here - if not I apologise - they are on 
topic on other .pm lists I'm on]

I wish I could post a direct link to this job but sadly you'll just have 
to go to http://www.symantec.com/about/careers/search.jsp and search for 
Perl to find it, because for some reason there's no way to direct link 
to jobs on our web site.

Job title is: Sr. Security Infrastructure Administrator

The role is building tools for network operations and engineers to 
improve monitoring and software rollout.

Location is 404/Vic Park and Steeles.

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From arocker at Vex.Net  Sat Jan 15 10:29:05 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 13:29:05 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Mysterious problem
Message-ID: <204bf557738dd0f91870449933386005.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


I seem to have encountered a strange problem with Perl's "move" command
(from File::Copy). (The qualification is due to the fact that I have not
directly observed the facts, only had them reported to me.)

When move is used to transfer a file from one directory to another (empty)
one, everything behaves as advertised. File appears in destination,
disappears from source.

If the file already exists in the destination directory, (a legitimate
situation for this program), the original does not get deleted, but the
move appears to have returned a "true" value. (I check it).

I can't report many of the facts one would usually seek in such a case,
such as permissions and ownerships, because I don't have access to the
testing machine.

Despite all the above hand-waving, has anybody encountered a problem like
this?


From jbl at jbldata.com  Sat Jan 15 11:01:01 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:01:01 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Mysterious problem
In-Reply-To: <204bf557738dd0f91870449933386005.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <204bf557738dd0f91870449933386005.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimFNbZKQs8n1+uVkoi6HZqyt4mhiyWBVapHDmDM@mail.gmail.com>

I don't remember if I've run into that specifically, but I remember a
similar situation where I would do an md5sum of the file in the destination
directory to check if both files were the same, avoiding the need for the
move.  If they didn't have the same hash, I would unlink the file in the
destination directory before doing the move.

On Sat, Jan 15, 2011 at 1:29 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

>
> I seem to have encountered a strange problem with Perl's "move" command
> (from File::Copy). (The qualification is due to the fact that I have not
> directly observed the facts, only had them reported to me.)
>
> When move is used to transfer a file from one directory to another (empty)
> one, everything behaves as advertised. File appears in destination,
> disappears from source.
>
> If the file already exists in the destination directory, (a legitimate
> situation for this program), the original does not get deleted, but the
> move appears to have returned a "true" value. (I check it).
>
> I can't report many of the facts one would usually seek in such a case,
> such as permissions and ownerships, because I don't have access to the
> testing machine.
>
> Despite all the above hand-waving, has anybody encountered a problem like
> this?
>
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From liam at holoweb.net  Sat Jan 15 11:16:46 2011
From: liam at holoweb.net (Liam R E Quin)
Date: Sat, 15 Jan 2011 14:16:46 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Mysterious problem
In-Reply-To: <204bf557738dd0f91870449933386005.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <204bf557738dd0f91870449933386005.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <1295119007.22336.797.camel@desktop.barefootcomputing.com>

On Sat, 2011-01-15 at 13:29 -0500, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:


> I seem to have encountered a strange problem with Perl's "move"
> command (from File::Copy)
[...]

> If the file already exists in the destination directory, (a legitimate
> situation for this program), the original does not get deleted, but the
> move appears to have returned a "true" value. (I check it).

Looks to me like what is happening is the underlying system is
generating an error, but File::Copy doesn't handle system errors well.

The documentation says [[
    If possible, move() will simply rename the file.  Otherwise, it
    copies the file to the new location and deletes the original.  If
    an error occurs during this copy-and-delete process, you may be
    left with a (possibly partial) copy of the file under the
    destination name.
]]

If I'd written the interface it would for sure have returned an error if
an error was encountered!!! Given such sheer awfulness, I would be very
reluctant to trust File::Copy at all, but maybe that's just me :-)

You could try code that did,
   rename $oldname, $newname
and if that failed, used File::Copy's rmscopy (the name seems to be a
stupid pun on Richard Stallman and VMS),and, if that worked (use stat to
check file size and date maybe?) delete the original.

Be careful to avoid code like,

    if (! -d "$destination") {
      copy...
because something else could create the director between the test and
the call to copy (more likely than you might think, because pretty much
all multitasking operating systems treat I/O operations as possible
rescheduling opportunities...)

Hope this helps.

Liam

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From legrady at gmail.com  Tue Jan 18 16:41:30 2011
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2011 19:41:30 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=LaqdRba9MhRb4RHniTs-to5nakUYxN6NuOD9G@mail.gmail.com>

http://perl.la/

Wonder if we can come up with a page like this, maybe as part of TPM's website?


Tom

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From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Jan 20 12:36:28 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 15:36:28 -0500
Subject: [tpm] URGENT: Canadian Copyright Bill C-32 Another Step Closer To
	Becoming Law
Message-ID: <AANLkTinkh9VnPjrdBs=QcHkZ=9L2ofUNCGj0Mn2VAzcJ@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.ccer.ca/activism/urgent-canadian-copyright-bill-c-32-another-step-closer-to-becoming-law/

Apologize if this seems off topic, but I feel it is very relevant to every
open source and Internet-based community.

If you are interested in protecting your rights online, please take some
time to read the above article, and use the online letter writing tool
provided to send your local MP a message.

Thanks,
Bobby
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Thu Jan 20 14:45:43 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 17:45:43 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=LaqdRba9MhRb4RHniTs-to5nakUYxN6NuOD9G@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=LaqdRba9MhRb4RHniTs-to5nakUYxN6NuOD9G@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a3cb26f0125f5715f1c1833523340685.squirrel@mail.vex.net>

> http://perl.la/
>
> Wonder if we can come up with a page like this, maybe as part of TPM's
> website?

I like that idea, if only for job-hunting purposes.


From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Jan 20 15:11:14 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:11:14 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
In-Reply-To: <a3cb26f0125f5715f1c1833523340685.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <AANLkTi=LaqdRba9MhRb4RHniTs-to5nakUYxN6NuOD9G@mail.gmail.com>
	<a3cb26f0125f5715f1c1833523340685.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik-2dExjBaFuEtGMYpDpnx30ZbkHP4siMNf5NDj@mail.gmail.com>

How would a list like that be maintained?  I would suggest that anyone who
identifies a company as "perl friendly" needs to provide some kind of
confirmation on a somewhat regular basis; maybe every 3-6 months or so, in
order to keep the list relevant.  A short blurb on what he company is doing
with perl would be useful too.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:45 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> > http://perl.la/
> >
> > Wonder if we can come up with a page like this, maybe as part of TPM's
> > website?
>
> I like that idea, if only for job-hunting purposes.
>
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From legrady at gmail.com  Thu Jan 20 15:17:58 2011
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 18:17:58 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
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My first thought had been in terms of promoting Perl as something
alive and being used by significant companies for significant
projects, and as justification for companies to use Perl for new
projects. "See, all these other companies find it useful!".

I suppose the front end would be the display of logos, the back end
would be a list of people who added the various names, and are thus
responsible for updating the info every six months.

On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 6:11 PM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:
> How would a list like that be maintained?? I would suggest that anyone who
> identifies a company as "perl friendly" needs to provide some kind of
> confirmation on a somewhat regular basis; maybe every 3-6 months or so, in
> order to keep the list relevant.? A short blurb on what he company is doing
> with perl would be useful too.
>
> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 5:45 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>>
>> > http://perl.la/
>> >
>> > Wonder if we can come up with a page like this, maybe as part of TPM's
>> > website?
>>
>> I like that idea, if only for job-hunting purposes.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Thu Jan 20 16:50:18 2011
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 19:50:18 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
In-Reply-To: <a3cb26f0125f5715f1c1833523340685.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
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Message-ID: <4D38D84A.3030005@utoronto.ca>

I had an idea to do something like this, but on a global scale. 
perl-shops.org, or something along those lines.  It'd basically be a 
wiki-esque interface that would allow people to add, vet, and who knows 
what else for companies that use perl.  The original idea was centered 
around geo-locating the offices of companies that use perl, so you could 
for example search for toronto, and get a map that actually showed you 
where all the offices in the city of companies that used perl were located.

I think the idea has a lot of merit, but haven't had any tuit's to work 
on it.

I mentioned it to Richard before a meeting a year or two ago.  he might 
remember.

Adam

On 20/01/11 05:45 PM, arocker at Vex.Net wrote:
>> http://perl.la/
>>
>> Wonder if we can come up with a page like this, maybe as part of TPM's
>> website?
>
> I like that idea, if only for job-hunting purposes.
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm


From mike at stok.ca  Thu Jan 20 18:01:52 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 21:01:52 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Meeting: Thursday 27 January 2011
Message-ID: <7730CFCF-5997-439D-B9E0-69D37F590AB0@stok.ca>

This month's meeting, see http://to.pm.org for more info:

Date: Thu 27 Jan 2011 18:45 EST
Venue: Global Knowledge (room G (7) 12th Floor)
Topic: Git Flow

Alex Beamish: Git Flow
Some observations on using git-flow to manage branching and merging in git.

TBA: Google Summer of Code
Preparation for participation in Google Summer of Code.

Location: 2 Bloor Street West, (usually) 8th or 16th floor. The room number will be announced on the mailing list a few days before the meeting. It will also be left with the security desk in the building (main floor lobby) shortly before the meeting starts (i.e. around 6pm).

Time: 6:45 p.m.

Directions: This building is on the north-west corner of Bloor and Yonge, accessible by subway from Bloor station. Pay parking is also ample in this area.

Security note: The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm to people without building access cards. Leading up to the meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every few minutes to ferry people upstairs. There will be a number of scheduled trips:

	? 17:30
	? 18:00
	? 18:30
	? 18:45
	? 19:00

After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the front lobby. The room and floor numbers will be left with security too.

Mike

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From rdice at pobox.com  Thu Jan 20 19:50:14 2011
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Thu, 20 Jan 2011 22:50:14 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
In-Reply-To: <4D38D84A.3030005@utoronto.ca>
References: <AANLkTi=LaqdRba9MhRb4RHniTs-to5nakUYxN6NuOD9G@mail.gmail.com>
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On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Adam Prime <adam.prime at utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I had an idea to do something like this, but on a global scale.
> perl-shops.org, or something along those lines.  It'd basically be a
> wiki-esque interface that would allow people to add, vet, and who knows what
> else for companies that use perl.  The original idea was centered around
> geo-locating the offices of companies that use perl, so you could for
> example search for toronto, and get a map that actually showed you where all
> the offices in the city of companies that used perl were located.
>
> I think the idea has a lot of merit, but haven't had any tuit's to work on
> it.
>
> I mentioned it to Richard before a meeting a year or two ago.  he might
> remember.
>

I have a recollection.  I have a recollection of many things, some of which
actually even happened. :-)

I think it's a great idea.  I've actually been thinking about something like
this for years for the Perl community world-wide.  It just requires someone
to put in the elbow grease.  (My grease is all already allocated, sorry.)
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From vinny at usestrict.net  Fri Jan 21 04:18:55 2011
From: vinny at usestrict.net (Vinny Alves)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 10:18:55 -0200
Subject: [tpm] Companies using Perl
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim=E-w4Ewf8oo6D55fVk9+nf9UNxGG7eARPn7_2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=LaqdRba9MhRb4RHniTs-to5nakUYxN6NuOD9G@mail.gmail.com>
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I could help by hosting it under http://usestrict.net and updating it with
what gets sent to me.

Cheers,
Vinny

On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Richard Dice <rdice at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 20, 2011 at 7:50 PM, Adam Prime <adam.prime at utoronto.ca>wrote:
>
>> I had an idea to do something like this, but on a global scale.
>> perl-shops.org, or something along those lines.  It'd basically be a
>> wiki-esque interface that would allow people to add, vet, and who knows what
>> else for companies that use perl.  The original idea was centered around
>> geo-locating the offices of companies that use perl, so you could for
>> example search for toronto, and get a map that actually showed you where all
>> the offices in the city of companies that used perl were located.
>>
>> I think the idea has a lot of merit, but haven't had any tuit's to work on
>> it.
>>
>> I mentioned it to Richard before a meeting a year or two ago.  he might
>> remember.
>>
>
> I have a recollection.  I have a recollection of many things, some of which
> actually even happened. :-)
>
> I think it's a great idea.  I've actually been thinking about something
> like this for years for the Perl community world-wide.  It just requires
> someone to put in the elbow grease.  (My grease is all already allocated,
> sorry.)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Jan 21 08:38:33 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2011 11:38:33 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Meeting: Thursday 27 January 2011
In-Reply-To: <7730CFCF-5997-439D-B9E0-69D37F590AB0@stok.ca>
References: <7730CFCF-5997-439D-B9E0-69D37F590AB0@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <F4481EE0-43D0-43A0-B35C-BB91D5CD0EEA@vilerichard.com>


On 2011-01-20, at 9:01 PM, Mike Stok wrote:

> This month's meeting, see http://to.pm.org for more info:
> 
> Date: Thu 27 Jan 2011 18:45 EST
> Venue: Global Knowledge (room G (7) 12th Floor)
> Topic: Git Flow
> 
> Alex Beamish: Git Flow
> Some observations on using git-flow to manage branching and merging in git.
> 
> TBA: Google Summer of Code
> Preparation for participation in Google Summer of Code.

Maybe we could set aside a few minutes near the end to talk about Freshwater Perl?  We have a number of things to discuss, I would think.

Mark and I have gotten the green light on some sponsorship $ from our employer.  If others in the group are able to hit up their employers in the meantime, it would be helpful.  We could then get an idea of how much corporate money we might be looking at.

Olaf
--
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olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
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From mike at stok.ca  Sun Jan 23 11:04:44 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 14:04:44 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Meeting: Thursday 27 January 2011
In-Reply-To: <F4481EE0-43D0-43A0-B35C-BB91D5CD0EEA@vilerichard.com>
References: <7730CFCF-5997-439D-B9E0-69D37F590AB0@stok.ca>
	<F4481EE0-43D0-43A0-B35C-BB91D5CD0EEA@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <5B81A1DC-DFE3-46A7-8B62-DF3E78E6430E@stok.ca>


On Jan 21, 2011, at 11:38 AM, Olaf Alders wrote:

> 
> On 2011-01-20, at 9:01 PM, Mike Stok wrote:
> 
>> This month's meeting, see http://to.pm.org for more info:
>> 
>> Date: Thu 27 Jan 2011 18:45 EST
>> Venue: Global Knowledge (room G (7) 12th Floor)
>> Topic: Git Flow
>> 
>> Alex Beamish: Git Flow
>> Some observations on using git-flow to manage branching and merging in git.
>> 
>> TBA: Google Summer of Code
>> Preparation for participation in Google Summer of Code.
> 
> Maybe we could set aside a few minutes near the end to talk about Freshwater Perl?  We have a number of things to discuss, I would think.
> 
> Mark and I have gotten the green light on some sponsorship $ from our employer.  If others in the group are able to hit up their employers in the meantime, it would be helpful.  We could then get an idea of how much corporate money we might be looking at.

Sounds like a good idea, we can do a little at the meeting and more at the post-meeting refreshment session.  I'll add it to the web page for posterity.

Mike

-- 

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http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

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From mike at stok.ca  Sun Jan 23 12:49:06 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:49:06 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
Message-ID: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>

How can the TPM web site be improved?  How can Perl be used to improve it?  Suggestions, comments, observations welcomed.

Mike

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From mike at stok.ca  Sun Jan 23 12:56:13 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 15:56:13 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Speakers and / or topics wanted for TPM 2011 meetings
Message-ID: <88D3D7D1-5479-4852-993C-78FBD06F45D7@stok.ca>

It's time for me to shake the bushes and get a sense of what you want to see at this year's meetings, and see who's going to be facing the peanut gallery on some Thursday evenings...

With Abram Hindle in distant parts I will be needing a few more volunteers to help out this year.

Regards,

Mike
 
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From rdice at pobox.com  Sun Jan 23 13:04:57 2011
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 16:04:57 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
In-Reply-To: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>
References: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZL5G7aaPaCqP50zu7XjqeQ81tCUXqhvx5roUt@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

> How can the TPM web site be improved?  How can Perl be used to improve it?
>  Suggestions, comments, observations welcomed.
>
>
Replace it with a MT6 blog engine. :-)
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From rdice at pobox.com  Sun Jan 23 16:07:27 2011
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Sun, 23 Jan 2011 19:07:27 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimZL5G7aaPaCqP50zu7XjqeQ81tCUXqhvx5roUt@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>
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On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Richard Dice <rdice at pobox.com> wrote:

> On Sun, Jan 23, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:
>
>> How can the TPM web site be improved?  How can Perl be used to improve it?
>>  Suggestions, comments, observations welcomed.
>>
>>
> Replace it with a MT6 blog engine. :-)
>
>
Now why did I think Movable Type was up to version 6... hmm... looks like
version 5 was only recently released.

Anyhow, I think the point still stands.
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Mon Jan 24 07:02:39 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 10:02:39 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
In-Reply-To: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>
References: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <D377FE9C-B97D-45C8-B733-ED04AFDC82BF@vilerichard.com>

On 2011-01-23, at 3:49 PM, Mike Stok wrote:

> How can the TPM web site be improved?  How can Perl be used to improve it?  Suggestions, comments, observations welcomed.
> 
> Mike

I think the design could use a touch up.  There are lots of decent templates out there which could improve the look of it without a lot of work.  At the very least, the logo could be improved.  It looks really pixelated.

Olaf
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Mon Jan 24 11:32:52 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Mon, 24 Jan 2011 14:32:52 -0500
Subject: [tpm] skinning the TPM site
Message-ID: <D0CFF83D-DA65-46D9-ABB0-AD5D4CE1DDD9@vilerichard.com>

Apparently I volunteered to skin the site.  :)  Does anyone have any preferences?  Something along the lines of these would probably work without altering the layout of the current site too much:

http://www.freecsstemplates.org/preview/yosemite/
http://www.freecsstemplates.org/preview/mountainbreeze/

Of course, the graphics would need to be swapped out with something more Toronto/Perlish. Doesn't have to be a template from the site cited above, but it does need to be something ready to use.

Olaf
--
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olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 





From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Jan 26 10:23:32 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 13:23:32 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
In-Reply-To: <D377FE9C-B97D-45C8-B733-ED04AFDC82BF@vilerichard.com>
References: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>
	<D377FE9C-B97D-45C8-B733-ED04AFDC82BF@vilerichard.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimO9LAbuWMPn0gkOMFigN0+Y5eNRVa-NZ_1i5Yo@mail.gmail.com>

Not that I'm volunteering..

But here are some things which I think would be nice to see on the TPM
website:

- List of members, and contact info
- Allow members to post recently used/highly regarded CPAN modules, and what
they've used it for
- A way to tally up modules suggested by members, to see which modules are
most used/least used

Members of course would be responsible for keeping their own info up to
date.  But it would cool if the site had a bit of a hierarchical structure.

E.g:

   - TPM
      - Members
         - Bobby Lopez
            - Contact: me at here.com
            - Works for: Company
            - Favorite CPAN Modules:
               - Module::One
               - Module::Two


Just a thought, not sure exactly if it would serve any benefit, other than
to tie TPM people together in some way.. put faces to the community, etc.

-Bobby

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Olaf Alders <olaf at vilerichard.com> wrote:

> On 2011-01-23, at 3:49 PM, Mike Stok wrote:
>
> > How can the TPM web site be improved?  How can Perl be used to improve
> it?  Suggestions, comments, observations welcomed.
> >
> > Mike
>
> I think the design could use a touch up.  There are lots of decent
> templates out there which could improve the look of it without a lot of
> work.  At the very least, the logo could be improved.  It looks really
> pixelated.
>
> Olaf
> --
> Olaf Alders
> olaf at vilerichard.com
>
> http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
> http://twitter.com/vilerichard
> http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
>
>
>
>
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From abram.hindle at softwareprocess.es  Wed Jan 26 10:32:16 2011
From: abram.hindle at softwareprocess.es (Abram Hindle)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 10:32:16 -0800
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimO9LAbuWMPn0gkOMFigN0+Y5eNRVa-NZ_1i5Yo@mail.gmail.com>
	(sfid-20110126_132809_526534_CBA00F42)
References: <CA2E5D27-9F7B-4E50-80C0-EAEA56BD01F6@stok.ca>	<D377FE9C-B97D-45C8-B733-ED04AFDC82BF@vilerichard.com>
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	(sfid-20110126_132809_526534_CBA00F42)
Message-ID: <4D4068B0.2040606@softwareprocess.es>

So I have an idea that I don't have time to implement.

Install usealice.org's alice and use it to allow webchatting on the
freenode #tpm or #topm channel (I don't remember which).

usealice is a web-based IRC client written in Perl.

Anyways that cost not only time but resources and one would have to keep
updating.

abram

On 01/26/2011 10:23 AM, J. Bobby Lopez wrote:
> Not that I'm volunteering..
> 
> But here are some things which I think would be nice to see on the TPM
> website:
> 
> - List of members, and contact info
> - Allow members to post recently used/highly regarded CPAN modules, and
> what they've used it for
> - A way to tally up modules suggested by members, to see which modules
> are most used/least used
> 
> Members of course would be responsible for keeping their own info up to
> date.  But it would cool if the site had a bit of a hierarchical structure.
> 
> E.g:
> 
>     * TPM
>           o Members
>                 + Bobby Lopez
>                       # Contact: me at here.com <mailto:me at here.com>
>                       # Works for: Company
>                       # Favorite CPAN Modules:
>                             * Module::One
>                             * Module::Two
> 
> 
> Just a thought, not sure exactly if it would serve any benefit, other
> than to tie TPM people together in some way.. put faces to the
> community, etc.
> 
> -Bobby
> 
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 10:02 AM, Olaf Alders <olaf at vilerichard.com
> <mailto:olaf at vilerichard.com>> wrote:
> 
>     On 2011-01-23, at 3:49 PM, Mike Stok wrote:
> 
>     > How can the TPM web site be improved?  How can Perl be used to
>     improve it?  Suggestions, comments, observations welcomed.
>     >
>     > Mike
> 
>     I think the design could use a touch up.  There are lots of decent
>     templates out there which could improve the look of it without a lot
>     of work.  At the very least, the logo could be improved.  It looks
>     really pixelated.
> 
>     Olaf
>     --
>     Olaf Alders
>     olaf at vilerichard.com <mailto:olaf at vilerichard.com>
> 
>     http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
>     http://twitter.com/vilerichard
>     http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Wed Jan 26 15:58:44 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 18:58:44 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
Message-ID: <9ebe553d19beb79bed8215ae62d301bc.squirrel@mail.vex.net>

>
> - List of members, and contact info

Put an e-mail address on a publicly-accessible Web site? Surely, you jest,
sir!



From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Jan 26 20:15:30 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 26 Jan 2011 23:15:30 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Ideas wanted for TPM web site.
In-Reply-To: <9ebe553d19beb79bed8215ae62d301bc.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <9ebe553d19beb79bed8215ae62d301bc.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTik917axkruHiGQEi372owJFCADZfJPx0PY49grb@mail.gmail.com>

Not necessarily full e-mail addresses.. could be "name AT domain DOT com"
for example.. wouldn't be any more exploitable than scraping e-mail
addresses from a mailing list archive, I would guess.  Also, contact info
could be other things like twitter id's and links to personal websites, etc.


On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 6:58 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> >
> > - List of members, and contact info
>
> Put an e-mail address on a publicly-accessible Web site? Surely, you jest,
> sir!
>
>
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> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Jan 27 08:05:02 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 11:05:02 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Survey software in Perl
Message-ID: <AANLkTimgfGBJkPBVeKvRdkc7xQLT4Q_6B-8FaSUm8CQ_@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone know of any survey software developed in perl?

For an idea of what I'm talking about, please see here:
http://www.limesurvey.org/


-Bobby
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From psema4 at gmail.com  Thu Jan 27 12:19:13 2011
From: psema4 at gmail.com (Scott Elcomb)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 15:19:13 -0500
Subject: [tpm] DBus woes
Message-ID: <AANLkTimEeuPYzLRuaduN-kd0Dv=NF8C=5jVqi5M0i0Zf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'd like to start working with Desktop Couch[1], the DBus + CouchDB
service behind Ubuntu One[2].

As I haven't really worked with DBus before I'm a bit stuck; before I
go off to bug the desktopcouch list I'd like to make sure I understand
the Perl side of the issue.

Here's a really simple little script that is supposed to retrieve the
port # on which the current user's desktopcouch instance is listening.

[-- sample starts --]
#!/usr/bin/env perl

use strict;
use warnings;
use Net::DBus;

# shell example:
#   dbus-send --session \
#   --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB \
#   --print-reply \
#   --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort

my $port_number = -1;

my $svc_object = Net::DBus->session
    ->get_service('org.desktopcouch.CouchDB')
    ->get_object('/org/desktopcouch/CouchDB')
;

# Doesn't work because $svc_object has no interface
# $port_number = $svc_object->getPort();

print "Desktop CouchDB is running on port: $port_number\n";
[-- sample ends --]

The desktopcouch specs page[1] refers developers to couchdb-glib[3]
and (for Perl devs) to Glib::Object::Introspection[4].  On the surface
it looks to me like [4] should fix the missing interface issue but I'm
unsure on how to proceed... I much prefer working with pure perl
modules and have never needed to wrap a C library before.

Any help or pointers would be most appreciated.

Thanks,
- Scott.


[1] <http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch>
[2] <https://one.ubuntu.com/>
[3] <https://launchpad.net/couchdb-glib>
[4] <http://live.gnome.org/GTK2-Perl/Introspection>
-- 
? Scott Elcomb
? http://www.psema4.com/?? @psema4

? Member of the Pirate Party of Canada
? http://www.pirateparty.ca/

From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Jan 27 13:52:30 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 16:52:30 -0500
Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=Y0yB15B_=nc+15OzXTuCaCcsyBiEFjL5GcEqm@mail.gmail.com>

I've got a system that serves as an LDAP client, so there are many
files/dirs with uid/gid information retrieved from LDAP.

When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as 'file'.

Is there any way to do the translation from UID to LDAP username without
loading LDAP modules?  I'm guessing if 'ls' shows the correct name, there
must be some system call I can use to pull the same info.

Any insights?

Thanks,
Bobby
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From linux at alteeve.com  Thu Jan 27 17:29:23 2011
From: linux at alteeve.com (Digimer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 20:29:23 -0500
Subject: [tpm] DBus woes
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimEeuPYzLRuaduN-kd0Dv=NF8C=5jVqi5M0i0Zf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimEeuPYzLRuaduN-kd0Dv=NF8C=5jVqi5M0i0Zf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4D421BF3.9040302@alteeve.com>

On 01/27/2011 03:19 PM, Scott Elcomb wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I'd like to start working with Desktop Couch[1], the DBus + CouchDB
> service behind Ubuntu One[2].
> 
> As I haven't really worked with DBus before I'm a bit stuck; before I
> go off to bug the desktopcouch list I'd like to make sure I understand
> the Perl side of the issue.
> 
> Here's a really simple little script that is supposed to retrieve the
> port # on which the current user's desktopcouch instance is listening.
> 
> [-- sample starts --]
> #!/usr/bin/env perl
> 
> use strict;
> use warnings;
> use Net::DBus;
> 
> # shell example:
> #   dbus-send --session \
> #   --dest=org.desktopcouch.CouchDB \
> #   --print-reply \
> #   --type=method_call / org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.getPort
> 
> my $port_number = -1;
> 
> my $svc_object = Net::DBus->session
>     ->get_service('org.desktopcouch.CouchDB')
>     ->get_object('/org/desktopcouch/CouchDB')
> ;
> 
> # Doesn't work because $svc_object has no interface
> # $port_number = $svc_object->getPort();
> 
> print "Desktop CouchDB is running on port: $port_number\n";
> [-- sample ends --]
> 
> The desktopcouch specs page[1] refers developers to couchdb-glib[3]
> and (for Perl devs) to Glib::Object::Introspection[4].  On the surface
> it looks to me like [4] should fix the missing interface issue but I'm
> unsure on how to proceed... I much prefer working with pure perl
> modules and have never needed to wrap a C library before.
> 
> Any help or pointers would be most appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> - Scott.
> 
> 
> [1] <http://freedesktop.org/wiki/Specifications/desktopcouch>
> [2] <https://one.ubuntu.com/>
> [3] <https://launchpad.net/couchdb-glib>
> [4] <http://live.gnome.org/GTK2-Perl/Introspection>

http://wiki.alteeve.com/index.php/TPM_Talk:_An_Introduction_to_%27D-Bus%27_in_Perl

http://wiki.alteeve.com/index.php/Net::DBus_Binding_Tutorial

:)

-- 
Digimer
E-Mail: digimer at alteeve.com
AN!Whitepapers: http://alteeve.com
Node Assassin:  http://nodeassassin.org

From indy at indigostar.com  Thu Jan 27 18:17:12 2011
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Thu, 27 Jan 2011 21:17:12 -0500
Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP
References: <AANLkTi=Y0yB15B_=nc+15OzXTuCaCcsyBiEFjL5GcEqm@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F88C7C2D01DA4243AC4EDB1B365B56F9@ROADKILL>

> When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as 'file'.
I think you should be calling getpwuid.  Is that what you meant to say?

Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: J. Bobby Lopez 
  To: Toronto Perl Mongers 
  Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:52 PM
  Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP


  I've got a system that serves as an LDAP client, so there are many files/dirs with uid/gid information retrieved from LDAP.

  When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as 'file'.

  Is there any way to do the translation from UID to LDAP username without loading LDAP modules?  I'm guessing if 'ls' shows the correct name, there must be some system call I can use to pull the same info.

  Any insights?

  Thanks,
  Bobby



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From jbl at jbldata.com  Thu Jan 27 21:58:06 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 00:58:06 -0500
Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP
In-Reply-To: <F88C7C2D01DA4243AC4EDB1B365B56F9@ROADKILL>
References: <AANLkTi=Y0yB15B_=nc+15OzXTuCaCcsyBiEFjL5GcEqm@mail.gmail.com>
	<F88C7C2D01DA4243AC4EDB1B365B56F9@ROADKILL>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=MnGZZdj8MkJY8iRvXn58_qF8BPzvveVxpfTOy@mail.gmail.com>

Actually, no - I'm trying to get the usernames/groupnames when I
provide a uid/gid. Doesn't work as expected because accounts are
provided via LDAP.

-Bobby

On 1/27/11, Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com> wrote:
>> When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as 'file'.
> I think you should be calling getpwuid.  Is that what you meant to say?
>
> Indy Singh
> IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
>
>   ----- Original Message -----
>   From: J. Bobby Lopez
>   To: Toronto Perl Mongers
>   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:52 PM
>   Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP
>
>
>   I've got a system that serves as an LDAP client, so there are many
> files/dirs with uid/gid information retrieved from LDAP.
>
>   When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as 'file'.
>
>   Is there any way to do the translation from UID to LDAP username without
> loading LDAP modules?  I'm guessing if 'ls' shows the correct name, there
> must be some system call I can use to pull the same info.
>
>   Any insights?
>
>   Thanks,
>   Bobby
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>   _______________________________________________
>   toronto-pm mailing list
>   toronto-pm at pm.org
>   http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>

From talexb at gmail.com  Fri Jan 28 06:08:39 2011
From: talexb at gmail.com (Alex Beamish)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 09:08:39 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Thanks for attending my git flow presentation
Message-ID: <AANLkTinseqjXb9+kJ-nri-x_BTwMnWgyT6uZX+88ub9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi folks,

I appreciate the turnout last night for my still-somewhat-uncooked
presentation on git flow. The questions and tangents stretched a five
minute presentation into almost an hour, which was good -- it would
have been disappointing to be done by 715pm.

Using git flow (and discussing it with you last night) makes me better
appreciate their model, which I'll reiterate.

[] Most of the action happens from Development, but not actually *on*
Development; features and bug fixes launch themselves from that branch
(git flow feature start addPOD, in my case) and, in time, resolve back
into Development (git flow feature finish addPOD).
[] When Development is sufficiently advanced, a version is moved to
the Release branch (git flow release start 0.1) and tested out. There
may be some commits from there as the release is fine-tuned.
[] When the Release is sufficiently beautiful, it's released to Master
(git flow release finish 0.1).
[] If a Hotfix to a Release is required, that's done *from* the Master
branch, but again, not actually *on* that branch.

I also appreciated the discussion around setting up a git server, and
I was glad to see that I wasn't the only one who tried to push an
empty local repo to the remote server and get an error. In hindsight,
of course, it makes sense, but at the time it was a little disturbing.
The more I try things out with these tools, the more comfortable I'll
be.


The 'test project' that I worked on when preparing for this
presentation is a version of runoff, using
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sys/doc/troff.pdf as a reference. I come by
this fascination quite naturally -- I worked on the student newspaper
at Waterloo (the chevron, and later, the free chevron) during my first
year ('76-'77), where I worked under Neil Docherty, the Production
Manager, from whom I learned all about newspaper production. My work
terms were spent with AES Data in Montreal, working on a standalone
word processor system ('77-'80). A few years after I graduated, I
worked in the nascent desktop publishing field for a company called
Laser Friendly (long gone), owned by Print Three Franchising (they're
still around), on their product called The Office Publisher ('87-'90).
So writing something that flows text into columns goes back a long way
for me.

As I briefly explained, the concept I wanted to follow was based on
the object of a Document that consists of a series of Pages; each Page
consists of a series of Blocks (definition TBA -- may morph into
Columns, but I'd also want to handle Tables); and each Block contains
a series of Lines. Each line of a runoff file is passed into a
Document, which either deals with it locally or passes it down to the
next layer. Each layer has its own settings that are independent of
the other layers.

This object model, like my presentation, is a little uncooked -- but I
don't want to firm it up too much, in order to be able to handle
things like two column layouts, footnotes, balanced columns and so
forth. If there's any interest in this implementation, please let me
know. (I've had a PAUSE id for years -- it would be nice to finally
use it.)

Cheers,
Alex Beamish

From jbl at jbldata.com  Fri Jan 28 07:06:05 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2011 10:06:05 -0500
Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=MnGZZdj8MkJY8iRvXn58_qF8BPzvveVxpfTOy@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTi=Y0yB15B_=nc+15OzXTuCaCcsyBiEFjL5GcEqm@mail.gmail.com>
	<F88C7C2D01DA4243AC4EDB1B365B56F9@ROADKILL>
	<AANLkTi=MnGZZdj8MkJY8iRvXn58_qF8BPzvveVxpfTOy@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinjc4cLcvwqA-eFo8_DqoG3DLKTpDvhYOyVb-JB@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Indy for setting me straight off-list.  I got the two functions
getpwuid() and getpwnam() mixed up.  Will give it another go.

On Fri, Jan 28, 2011 at 12:58 AM, J. Bobby Lopez <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:

> Actually, no - I'm trying to get the usernames/groupnames when I
> provide a uid/gid. Doesn't work as expected because accounts are
> provided via LDAP.
>
> -Bobby
>
> On 1/27/11, Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com> wrote:
> >> When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as
> 'file'.
> > I think you should be calling getpwuid.  Is that what you meant to say?
> >
> > Indy Singh
> > IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com
> >
> >   ----- Original Message -----
> >   From: J. Bobby Lopez
> >   To: Toronto Perl Mongers
> >   Sent: Thursday, January 27, 2011 4:52 PM
> >   Subject: [tpm] using getpwnam() on a system with LDAP
> >
> >
> >   I've got a system that serves as an LDAP client, so there are many
> > files/dirs with uid/gid information retrieved from LDAP.
> >
> >   When I do a getpwnam() on a UID, it reports the username/group as
> 'file'.
> >
> >   Is there any way to do the translation from UID to LDAP username
> without
> > loading LDAP modules?  I'm guessing if 'ls' shows the correct name, there
> > must be some system call I can use to pull the same info.
> >
> >   Any insights?
> >
> >   Thanks,
> >   Bobby
> >
> >
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> >
> >   _______________________________________________
> >   toronto-pm mailing list
> >   toronto-pm at pm.org
> >   http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> >
>
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Fri Jan 28 21:34:26 2011
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 29 Jan 2011 00:34:26 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Thanks for attending my git flow presentation
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinseqjXb9+kJ-nri-x_BTwMnWgyT6uZX+88ub9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTinseqjXb9+kJ-nri-x_BTwMnWgyT6uZX+88ub9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEECDF19-7F99-4B7E-B3AC-F5DF309C52F0@vilerichard.com>

On 2011-01-28, at 9:08 AM, Alex Beamish wrote:

> Hi folks,
> 
> I appreciate the turnout last night for my still-somewhat-uncooked
> presentation on git flow. The questions and tangents stretched a five
> minute presentation into almost an hour, which was good -- it would
> have been disappointing to be done by 715pm.
> 
> Using git flow (and discussing it with you last night) makes me better
> appreciate their model, which I'll reiterate.


Hi Alex,

Thanks very much for taking the time to put this together.  I had looked at git-flow a while back but something didn't quite click for me.  After watching your presentation, I can now wrap my head around it.  I believe we're now equipped to start using it at $work.

Best,

Olaf
--
Olaf Alders
olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 





From jbl at jbldata.com  Mon Jan 31 12:01:41 2011
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:01:41 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
Message-ID: <AANLkTikTQDbGo86PyVcxbaty3jsp=ap1wZifwbVJqHqC@mail.gmail.com>

160,000 Strong Petition to Stop Internet Metering to Become Largest Online
Action in Canadian History:
http://openmedia.ca/news/160000-strong-petition-stop-internet-metering-become-largest-online-action-canadian-history
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From pm-neil at watson-wilson.ca  Mon Jan 31 13:22:46 2011
From: pm-neil at watson-wilson.ca (Neil Watson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:22:46 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikTQDbGo86PyVcxbaty3jsp=ap1wZifwbVJqHqC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikTQDbGo86PyVcxbaty3jsp=ap1wZifwbVJqHqC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110131212246.GA16156@watson-wilson.ca>

The last mile monopoly in Canada is certainly a problem.  However, the
idea of usage billing is not a bad one.  It works for water, electricity
and natural gas.

-- 
Neil Watson
Linux/UNIX Consultant
http://watson-wilson.ca

From pm-neil at watson-wilson.ca  Mon Jan 31 13:22:46 2011
From: pm-neil at watson-wilson.ca (Neil Watson)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:22:46 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikTQDbGo86PyVcxbaty3jsp=ap1wZifwbVJqHqC@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikTQDbGo86PyVcxbaty3jsp=ap1wZifwbVJqHqC@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20110131212246.GA16156@watson-wilson.ca>

The last mile monopoly in Canada is certainly a problem.  However, the
idea of usage billing is not a bad one.  It works for water, electricity
and natural gas.

-- 
Neil Watson
Linux/UNIX Consultant
http://watson-wilson.ca

From james.a.graham at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 13:36:14 2011
From: james.a.graham at gmail.com (Jim Graham)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:36:14 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
In-Reply-To: <20110131212246.GA16156@watson-wilson.ca>
References: <AANLkTikTQDbGo86PyVcxbaty3jsp=ap1wZifwbVJqHqC@mail.gmail.com>
	<20110131212246.GA16156@watson-wilson.ca>
Message-ID: <410EF979-A6E6-4715-B6AA-5EC09FC06950@gmail.com>

Water, electricity and natural gas are scarce resources. If I use some unit of electricity, water or gas, you are prevented from using it. That is not the case with Gb of "download" units. I download a copy of a file, you download a copy of the same file.

There's some argument that infrastructure needs capacity to allow for more or larger downloads. However, the rates being set by Bell (and eyed by Rogers and Shaw) are completely out of whack with their actual costs. The monopoly granted to Bell early in the telephone era is supposed to be offset by the CRTC; they are supposed to look out for consumers in this case. Unfortunately, they rolled over and screwed us.

- Jim

On 2011-01-31, at 4:22 PM [ Jan31], Neil Watson wrote:

> The last mile monopoly in Canada is certainly a problem.  However, the
> idea of usage billing is not a bad one.  It works for water, electricity
> and natural gas.
> 
> -- 
> Neil Watson
> Linux/UNIX Consultant
> http://watson-wilson.ca
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From legrady at gmail.com  Mon Jan 31 16:09:24 2011
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:09:24 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
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When you use electricity or water or sewage, you pay a modest markup
on the actual cost of delivering that service. Network UBB charges
dollars for bandwidth that costs pennies

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 4:36 PM, Jim Graham <james.a.graham at gmail.com> wrote:
> Water, electricity and natural gas are scarce resources. If I use some unit of electricity, water or gas, you are prevented from using it. That is not the case with Gb of "download" units. I download a copy of a file, you download a copy of the same file.
>
> There's some argument that infrastructure needs capacity to allow for more or larger downloads. However, the rates being set by Bell (and eyed by Rogers and Shaw) are completely out of whack with their actual costs. The monopoly granted to Bell early in the telephone era is supposed to be offset by the CRTC; they are supposed to look out for consumers in this case. Unfortunately, they rolled over and screwed us.
>
> - Jim
>
> On 2011-01-31, at 4:22 PM [ Jan31], Neil Watson wrote:
>
>> The last mile monopoly in Canada is certainly a problem. ?However, the
>> idea of usage billing is not a bad one. ?It works for water, electricity
>> and natural gas.
>>
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From daniel at benoy.name  Mon Jan 31 16:20:17 2011
From: daniel at benoy.name (daniel at benoy.name)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 19:20:17 -0500
Subject: [tpm] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
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 Peak hour usage does require infrastructure improvements, which 
 requires money which is best taken from the heaviest users.

 Charging per gig is not the answer, though.  A file sharer who pushes 
 50k upload at all times throughout a month will do about 130GB of 
 traffic per month.  Even though that's a trivial amount of bandwidth, it 
 still results in a massive charge.  On the other hand, someone who 
 watches netflix every day at peak hours might use only 30GB in the same 
 month, but would put a much bigger strain on the network than the 50k 
 file sharer.

 The billing method of '95th percentile' is what's most often used in 
 bigger backbone connections (fiber lan extensions and the like) takes 
 the bits per second of every given time period in a month, shave off the 
 top 5 percent, and charges you based on that.  That way you're charged 
 based on your speed usage, rather than your total transfer.  (And 
 shaving off the top five percent prevents you from being charged lots 
 just because you max out your connection for short times to download a 
 file here or there)  This billing method, while not perfect, is a much 
 better way of representing a user's actual cost to the infrastructure of 
 the network, since it's likely that their peak usage times will match up 
 to the provider's peak usage times.

 Also, I think the push by Bell/Rogers to charge UBB rates to third 
 party ISPs is just an attempt to harm their competitors ability to do 
 business, rather than trying to get a fair rate for network usage.  Bell 
 could have said 'Third party providers, we'll charge you a reasonable 
 95th percentile to cover the cost to our network, and it's up to you 
 whether you want to pay for that by charging UBB to your customers, or 
 give them unlimited access and pay with their subscription fees.' but 
 instead they're taking their own exorbitant UBB rates and charging 
 wholesalers 75% of that, giving them no recourse but to pass on the 
 costs in the same f'dup way that Bell and Rogers do things.

 On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 16:36:14 -0500, Jim Graham wrote:
> Water, electricity and natural gas are scarce resources. If I use
> some unit of electricity, water or gas, you are prevented from using
> it. That is not the case with Gb of "download" units. I download a
> copy of a file, you download a copy of the same file.
>
> There's some argument that infrastructure needs capacity to allow for
> more or larger downloads. However, the rates being set by Bell (and
> eyed by Rogers and Shaw) are completely out of whack with their 
> actual
> costs. The monopoly granted to Bell early in the telephone era is
> supposed to be offset by the CRTC; they are supposed to look out for
> consumers in this case. Unfortunately, they rolled over and screwed
> us.
>
> - Jim
>
> On 2011-01-31, at 4:22 PM [ Jan31], Neil Watson wrote:
>
>> The last mile monopoly in Canada is certainly a problem.  However, 
>> the
>> idea of usage billing is not a bad one.  It works for water, 
>> electricity
>> and natural gas.
>>
>> --
>> Neil Watson
>> Linux/UNIX Consultant
>> http://watson-wilson.ca
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
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From darcy at druid.net  Mon Jan 31 12:57:08 2011
From: darcy at druid.net (D'Arcy J.M. Cain)
Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:57:08 -0500
Subject: [tpm] [u-u] Usage Based Billing - What you should know..
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On Mon, 31 Jan 2011 15:01:41 -0500
"J. Bobby Lopez" <jbl at jbldata.com> wrote:
> 160,000 Strong Petition to Stop Internet Metering to Become Largest Online
> Action in Canadian History:
> http://openmedia.ca/news/160000-strong-petition-stop-internet-metering-become-largest-online-action-canadian-history

Where is the petition to oppose this petition?  I'm not sure about Perl
Mongers (and also not sure why the cross post) but I have trouble
believing that most members of Unix Unanimous have a problem with pay
for use.  Why should sensible users be subsidizing the heavy users?

The problem here is that the big guys have been lying all along
(unlimited usage - yah, right) and now they have to own up to the fact
that there never has been such a thing as unlimited usage.

I do question the actual billing model but that's a different issue.
They should be reducing the base price first.  Under the new rules heavy
users will pay more but light users aren't getting the corresponding
break.  That's not fair.  That's just increasing their total revenue
stream.  If anything their total costs (traffic) will go down because
of this, not up, so why should the revenue go up?  Fair would be
reducing the amount that Grandma (who sends three messages a month) is
paying to subsidize some goof who spends every waking moment surfing
for porn.

By the way, I am a heavy user (80GB/month - no porn) so my costs are
going up in any case. I just think that fair is fair.

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