From mike at stok.ca  Fri Aug  5 04:21:38 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 07:21:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] More August meetings?
Message-ID: <01273706-9715-4A16-970E-C607EB2D0408@stok.ca>

What is the feeling on the list about having a meeting on Thursday 25 August?  After a couple of entertaining and informative talks from Damian I would happily skip straight to September's lightning talks.

If people want another August meeting then tell me what it's about and I'll update the web site.  

Mike

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From jztam at yahoo.com  Fri Aug  5 11:36:14 2011
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Fri, 5 Aug 2011 11:36:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] RFI: installing multiple instances/releases for regression
	testing.
In-Reply-To: <01273706-9715-4A16-970E-C607EB2D0408@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <1312569374.91692.YahooMailClassic@web125720.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Greetings Mongeren, 
BACKGROUND:
1. OS WindozeServer2003/5/8? with ActiveState.perl5.8.7(busted version) ? is current release
and also? 
OS linux2.6 kernel with perl5.8.3? (older version I know)

GOALS:
2. I wish to be able to upgrade the perl release up to a more current revision on both OS's, but will need to regression test all the scripts with the newer perl release IN Place.

ISSUES:
3. Windows multiple perl trees.? AFAIK,? I can install a separate perl version (ActiveState OR?? Strawberry)? on the Windows side, in a non-standard directory and munge the DOS ENV and PATH? to switch back and forth between the two releases to test.? Or going out of my way to switch the underlying directory of? a link to D:\apps\perl\? directory using "JUNCTION.EXE"? or a loopback mount/share.

4.? linux multiple perl trees.? this should be as straightforward as the Windows side I'm guessing,? only the ENV setup script is slightly different, due to OS differences.

5. Enumerating existing bundle of modules.? AFAIK? you can reliably query the installed modules using:

??? use ExtUtils::Installed;
??? my $instmod = ExtUtils::Installed->new();
??? foreach my $module ($instmod->modules()) {
??????? my $version = $instmod->version($module) || "???";
??????? print "$module -- $version\n";
??? }

But this would likely NOT find? any "local::lib"? or? homegrown modules that got copied into a non- at INC path.? 
e.g.??? 
/path/to/custom/apps/PROD/perl/SOX/bigBrotherSOXvalidater.pl? 
might have a customSOX.pm? module disted with the former, in the same directory, or a lower? subdirectory like:?? 
/path/to/custom/apps/PROD/perl/SOX/lib/customSOX.pm

5.1? using find and grep instead to find the outlier modules?
Surely someone has learned the hard way to dig and delve for custom .pm? files or OS-specific, or vendor-specific? DLL's,? object files, libraries, bins, etc.? that would cause regression tests to fail due to a higher/lower version of the module.? Ugh.

Instantiating a handful of VM's? is not an option at this point. Ugh.
All comments are welcomed to help me fail fast.
/jordan
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Sun Aug  7 10:42:31 2011
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:42:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] More August meetings?
In-Reply-To: <01273706-9715-4A16-970E-C607EB2D0408@stok.ca>
References: <01273706-9715-4A16-970E-C607EB2D0408@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <1f7cda11940b704640350e7ac60f6cd0.squirrel@mail.vex.net>

> What is the feeling on the list about having a meeting on Thursday 25
> August?

How about a meeting on the topic of installing multiple versions of Perl
simultaneously? I also have precisely that problem at the moment. It may
be blindingly simple, if you know the rules, but there are modules,
libraries, and paths to consider.

Does anybody feel sufficiently expert to discuss the topic?


From rdice at pobox.com  Sun Aug  7 10:59:10 2011
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 13:59:10 -0400
Subject: [tpm] More August meetings?
In-Reply-To: <1f7cda11940b704640350e7ac60f6cd0.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <01273706-9715-4A16-970E-C607EB2D0408@stok.ca>
	<1f7cda11940b704640350e7ac60f6cd0.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <CAPPqpspqX3FDHG9NysSMej8kDshM31pcLZacjrzEDKXCrFxecQ@mail.gmail.com>

Alan,

Sounds like you want a talk on "perlbrew".  Note that I don't know perlbrew
myself, so if anyone out there knows it and wants to give a talk on it, it
could be a useful thing to have.

Which is not to say it needs to be a topic for August -- like Mike said, we
may be All Perled Out for the time being. But it might make a good meeting
topic for October.

Now, Alan said this would be a handy thing for him to know given his current
problem, but now that I've given him "perlbrew" as a search phrase he could
be good to go.  In fact, if you want to give a talk in October about how you
used perlbrew to solve your problem, that might work out well...

Cheers,
- Richard

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:42 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> > What is the feeling on the list about having a meeting on Thursday 25
> > August?
>
> How about a meeting on the topic of installing multiple versions of Perl
> simultaneously? I also have precisely that problem at the moment. It may
> be blindingly simple, if you know the rules, but there are modules,
> libraries, and paths to consider.
>
> Does anybody feel sufficiently expert to discuss the topic?
>
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From stuart at morungos.com  Sun Aug  7 12:10:06 2011
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 15:10:06 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Shared web hosting - any recommendations?
Message-ID: <BCE49FF9-C3F6-4429-AB6E-2EF4ED336467@morungos.com>

Does anybody know a decent Canadian shared web hosting company? I'm looking to move some stuff and want an organization I can trust - having been badly burned by some places with impossibly bad support. It doesn't need much, as presently the site is static HTML. 

Any recommendations gratefully received?

All the best
Stuart

From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com  Mon Aug  8 16:00:06 2011
From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 19:00:06 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Shared web hosting - any recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <BCE49FF9-C3F6-4429-AB6E-2EF4ED336467@morungos.com>
References: <BCE49FF9-C3F6-4429-AB6E-2EF4ED336467@morungos.com>
Message-ID: <E0E70600-01ED-4CB9-92C7-E8620CE85A27@gmail.com>

My wife is using 5quidhost.co.uk, in Scotland, who then recommend 10looniehost.ca. 

The former is cheap, yet responsive (unlike to GoDaddy). No direct experience with the latter. 

Cheers,
Shaun

==> enohPi ym morf tnes <==

On Aug 7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Stuart Watt <stuart at morungos.com> wrote:

> Does anybody know a decent Canadian shared web hosting company? I'm looking to move some stuff and want an organization I can trust - having been badly burned by some places with impossibly bad support. It doesn't need much, as presently the site is static HTML. 
> 
> Any recommendations gratefully received?
> 
> All the best
> Stuart
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From liam at holoweb.net  Mon Aug  8 20:48:41 2011
From: liam at holoweb.net (Liam R E Quin)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 23:48:41 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Shared web hosting - any recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <E0E70600-01ED-4CB9-92C7-E8620CE85A27@gmail.com>
References: <BCE49FF9-C3F6-4429-AB6E-2EF4ED336467@morungos.com>
	<E0E70600-01ED-4CB9-92C7-E8620CE85A27@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1312861721.24983.10.camel@desktop.barefootcomputing.com>

On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 19:00 -0400, Quantum Mechanic wrote:
>  7, 2011, at 3:10 PM, Stuart Watt <stuart at morungos.com> wrote:
> 
> > Does anybody know a decent Canadian shared web hosting company? I'm
> looking to move some stuff and want an organization I can trust -
> having been badly burned by some places with impossibly bad support.
> It doesn't need much, as presently the site is static HTML.

I use iweb for www.fromoldbooks.org and holoweb.net.

For that matter depending on the nature of your site, and the
approx. amount of traffic, I might be able to give you access...
holoweb/fromoldbooks.org is in Montreal.

Liam

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Pictures from old books: http://fromoldbooks.org/


From ait at p2ee.org  Tue Aug  9 07:39:34 2011
From: ait at p2ee.org (Alejandro Imass)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 10:39:34 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Shared web hosting - any recommendations?
In-Reply-To: <BCE49FF9-C3F6-4429-AB6E-2EF4ED336467@morungos.com>
References: <BCE49FF9-C3F6-4429-AB6E-2EF4ED336467@morungos.com>
Message-ID: <CAHieY7TATCr-=Rg3_enLd+m6aOEVuvj0uoYBcRNLAAYQ6Zi0wA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Stuart, I sent you the mail below a couple of days ago. It might
have gone to your spam folder because we were doing some changes to
our DNS and our SPF record.

We offer FreeBSD jails with root access and everything. It's just like
Linux but we don't offer Linux hosting for many reasons we can discuss
in Person. We love and use Linux extensively in-house though but not
for high-end production servers.

Please let me know what you need. I live in Toronto and our company is from NY.

For the time being only R&D and Education services operate as such in
Canada but eventually we will expand our operation here extensively.
That's why I moved here in the first place...

We don't do massive hosting so our support is very personalized. We
would love to have you on board for your hosting needs and you will be
gladly surprised at our prices and service levels.

Anyway, hope to talk to you soon. My direct number is (647) 722-4084
or if you provide a number I will call you.

In fact we have a product called EzCat that I think you will really
enjoy if you are used to managing your HTML files yourself! It's
currently in Beta testing but from the nature of your post I think you
will really, really love our EzCat offering.

I can give you a pretty good discount as a beta tester for a EzCat SaaS Mini:

http://www.yabarana.com/products/ezcat.html


Sincerely yours,

--
Alejandro Imass
Director of Yabarana Canada

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 3:10 PM, Stuart Watt <stuart at morungos.com> wrote:
> Does anybody know a decent Canadian shared web hosting company? I'm looking to move some stuff and want an organization I can trust - having been badly burned by some places with impossibly bad support. It doesn't need much, as presently the site is static HTML.
>
> Any recommendations gratefully received?
>
> All the best
> Stuart
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>

From mike at stok.ca  Sun Aug 14 08:40:53 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:40:53 -0400
Subject: [tpm] No further August meetings planned
Message-ID: <2FE6674B-486D-4665-A103-ACA2F9FC6D78@stok.ca>

There hasn't been much interest in more meetings in August, so I'll say that the next planned "official" TPM meeting will be the Lightning Talks in September.  

Speaking of Lightning Talks, if you plan to give one or have a topic which you think might be interesting then please send something to the list so that we can get an idea of how many talks there are likely to be.

Mike

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From ait at p2ee.org  Tue Aug 16 07:51:18 2011
From: ait at p2ee.org (Alejandro Imass)
Date: Tue, 16 Aug 2011 10:51:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Getting __errno_location when loading Perl XS module on
	FreeBSD
Message-ID: <CAHieY7Q+2kDowPhnSuctQqB-pkrNPeUMVC83M0hQ2h-S7dZn7g@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

I'm compiling a proprietary lib on FreeBSD that offers a Perl API via
XS. The package comes with an ar archive for Linux 64 but I need to
compile it and run it on FreeBSD. FreeBSD make process makes no
complaints about the object files in the ar in the make process, and
everything makes without an error.

The lib compiles fine, but when the dynaloader is loading I get:

/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: (undisclosed).so: Undefined symbol "__errno_location"

Is this ld-elf complaining that it does not find the symbol in
(undisclosed), or is it (undisclosed) not finding the symbol in it's
dependencies?

I've been trying to learn more about __errno_location but some say
it's relates to the pthreads lib, some that it's libm and should be
defined in errno.h, but nope, it's not defined in any .h in Linux or
FreeBSD!

As you can see, the lib build fine and satisfies all dependencies.
Shouldn't the undefined symbol pop-up during linking of the shared
object (during creation) instead than on dynamic linking?

ldd blib/arch/auto/<undisclosed>.so blib/arch/auto/Gateway/Gateway.so:
libcurl.so.6 => /usr/local/lib/libcurl.so.6 (0x800c00000) libssl.so.6
=> /usr/lib/libssl.so.6 (0x800d54000) libstdc++.so.6 =>
/usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 (0x800ea7000) libm.so.5 => /lib/libm.so.5
(0x8010b7000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x8011d7000)
libc.so.7 => /lib/libc.so.7 (0x800647000) libcrypto.so.6 =>
/lib/libcrypto.so.6 (0x8012e5000) libz.so.5 => /lib/libz.so.5
(0x801585000)
[download]

Thanks in advance for any comments.

From mike at stok.ca  Sat Aug 20 05:12:54 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Sat, 20 Aug 2011 08:12:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: Books and News from the O'Reilly User Group
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From mike at stok.ca  Mon Aug 29 18:13:01 2011
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Mon, 29 Aug 2011 21:13:01 -0400
Subject: [tpm] September meeting: Lightning talks
Message-ID: <98A52CEA-3CF6-411B-8163-7F1BDC17A5A1@stok.ca>

This is a gentle reminder that September is our traditional month for Lightning Talks, and I'm putting out a call for an emcee, people willing to give a talk, and this year I'd like to challenge people to keep to 5 minutes and see if we can get 11 talks to fill an hour.

What is a lightning talk?  See http://perl.plover.com/lt/osc2003/lightning-talks.html which includes:

> Notice of Intent
> 
> A lot of people are not getting the point of these. They hear that they only get five minutes to speak, and they get all tense. ``How can I squeeze a whole talk into five minutes?''
> 
> No! The point is that because the talk is only five minutes long, you don't have to take it so seriously. Just try to say something brief and interesting, and then get out in a hurry. If people want to follow up or ask questions, they will catch you in the hallway afterwards.
> 
> If I got to schedule eleven talks that were nothing but five minutes of ranting and raving, I would be really happy.

Of course we can follow up after the talks are over, or in the bar afterwards.  It would be fun to see if we can get 11 talks cranked out in an hour.  You don't have to have slides or any other fancy stuff, just a willingness to spend 300 seconds saying something!

An old list of potential topics in addition to those mentioned on the lightning talks page: http://perl.plover.com/lt/lightning-topics.txt

Reply to me on or off list and I'll update the schedule page (travel may cause some lag, but I'll do it.)

Mike

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From Henry.Baragar at instantiated.ca  Wed Aug 31 09:03:25 2011
From: Henry.Baragar at instantiated.ca (Henry Baragar)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 12:03:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] No further August meetings planned
In-Reply-To: <2FE6674B-486D-4665-A103-ACA2F9FC6D78@stok.ca>
References: <2FE6674B-486D-4665-A103-ACA2F9FC6D78@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <201108311203.25280.Henry.Baragar@instantiated.ca>

Mike,

I could talk for 10 minutes on how I localize CPAN modules to each of the 
different applications I maintain.

Also, I could talk about git-flow, if it has not already been covered.

Henry

On August 14, 2011 11:40:53 AM Mike Stok wrote:
> There hasn't been much interest in more meetings in August, so I'll say
> that the next planned "official" TPM meeting will be the Lightning Talks
> in September.
> 
> Speaking of Lightning Talks, if you plan to give one or have a topic which
> you think might be interesting then please send something to the list so
> that we can get an idea of how many talks there are likely to be.
> 
> Mike

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