From mike at stok.ca  Fri Sep  3 04:17:15 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2010 07:17:15 -0400
Subject: [tpm] The next few meetings
Message-ID: <FE9811D6-7554-46AC-A485-486EC4AAA70A@stok.ca>

I am looking for people to present at the October and November meetings, If you have a yearning to talk for thirty minutes or so on some vaguely Perl related topic (and vague can be pretty vague - development practices, employment hints and experience, other computer languages, Perl in society, why test driven design is silly, ...) then let me know.  On or off list.

Do any of you have particular time or location constraints for the December Solstice / Xmas / whatever we want to celebrate party this year? 

Mike

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From arocker at vex.net  Sat Sep  4 10:55:38 2010
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 13:55:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Aren't you glad you program in Perl ...]
Message-ID: <3cd99b4e0012981b85750822d27e9bbf.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/20/lady-java/



From rdice at pobox.com  Sat Sep  4 11:24:55 2010
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 14:24:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Aren't you glad you program in Perl ...]
In-Reply-To: <3cd99b4e0012981b85750822d27e9bbf.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <3cd99b4e0012981b85750822d27e9bbf.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTim6yQ7cAyzPhRWw9X1Lbbyq7VynjJOJ6C=kD16c@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:55 PM,  <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/20/lady-java/

I need a palate cleanser...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#

From ja_harris at rogers.com  Sat Sep  4 12:21:36 2010
From: ja_harris at rogers.com (Jim Harris)
Date: Sat, 4 Sep 2010 12:21:36 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] [Fwd: Aren't you glad you program in Perl ...]
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim6yQ7cAyzPhRWw9X1Lbbyq7VynjJOJ6C=kD16c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <156773.27547.qm@web88008.mail.re2.yahoo.com>

maybe Javex would work?

--- On Sat, 9/4/10, Richard Dice <rdice at pobox.com> wrote:

From: Richard Dice <rdice at pobox.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] [Fwd: Aren't you glad you program in Perl ...]
To: arocker at vex.net
Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Date: Saturday, September 4, 2010, 6:24 PM

On Sat, Sep 4, 2010 at 1:55 PM,? <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
> http://techcrunch.com/2010/08/20/lady-java/

I need a palate cleanser...

http://video.google.ca/videoplay?docid=1274983729713522403#
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Sun Sep  5 08:37:11 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Sun, 5 Sep 2010 11:37:11 -0400
Subject: [tpm] The lightning season starts off slow...
Message-ID: <AANLkTimTbCtvsG_0BtEAMV_F8K0DfiFOpRH2Qt-S62Nc@mail.gmail.com>

Warning...this is the first of your weekly annoying requests to
present a short lightning talk on your favorite topic, soapbox
module, or other; or even a rant for the September meeting.

If you've got something to rant  ... talk about, let me know.
No topic too esoteric to refuse.

Fulko

From mike at stok.ca  Thu Sep  9 01:15:48 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Thu, 9 Sep 2010 04:15:48 -0400
Subject: [tpm] UG News: Ebook Deal of the Day: O'Reilly Editor Simon
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References: <1284017339.12860.0.543846@post.oreilly.com>
Message-ID: <EA51D40B-6369-45DF-BB6D-C288918A920A@stok.ca>


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From legrady at gmail.com  Fri Sep 10 07:57:56 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 10:57:56 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Perl 6
Message-ID: <AANLkTik+=AiH=mKj_1BkWZNAguCJrE=ZHv+omZWHkeyV@mail.gmail.com>

I'll do a little presentation about my Perl6 explorations.

I urge anyone who has mucked around in Per 6 to show what they've done. With
so much to figure out, what's obvious or trivial to you may be just the
simplifying bit I've been struggling to figure out.

Tom
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Fri Sep 10 10:12:56 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:12:56 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl jobs?
Message-ID: <185fe4a0fb9dfaea31ac7099fef1a1f3.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


Does anybody know of anything likely to open up soon? I'm probably going
to be available at the end of the month.


From vinny at usestrict.net  Fri Sep 10 10:21:42 2010
From: vinny at usestrict.net (Vinny Alves)
Date: Fri, 10 Sep 2010 13:21:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl jobs?
In-Reply-To: <185fe4a0fb9dfaea31ac7099fef1a1f3.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <185fe4a0fb9dfaea31ac7099fef1a1f3.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikB_jgQOefK4r9uTMh8ZGZL-PuPEDPbyqXyCBJS@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

The company I work for is always looking for good programmers. Send me your
resume and I'll pass it on...

Cheers,
Vinny
http://jobs.usestrict.net


On Fri, Sep 10, 2010 at 1:12 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

>
> Does anybody know of anything likely to open up soon? I'm probably going
> to be available at the end of the month.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From mike at stok.ca  Wed Sep 15 04:08:48 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 07:08:48 -0400
Subject: [tpm] UG News: Free to Choose Your Cookbook - Ebook Deal of the Day
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Wed Sep 15 05:37:25 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 08:37:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] I recently found out..
Message-ID: <86683ff35e3fe8214d5683ae19608803.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


that regular expressions were invented by a mathematician called Stephen
Kleene. http://www-history.mcs.st-and.ac.uk/Biographies/Kleene.html

Should we refer to them as "Kleenexes"?


From jamex1642 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 15 13:08:44 2010
From: jamex1642 at gmail.com (Jgr)
Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 16:08:44 -0400
Subject: [tpm] I recently found out..
In-Reply-To: <86683ff35e3fe8214d5683ae19608803.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <86683ff35e3fe8214d5683ae19608803.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <A84E8095-8EA6-4824-A0F5-86525B7089EC@gmail.com>


> Should we refer to them as "Kleenexes"?
>

Haha I like that!
I bet you get the Kleenex star award for best joke of the day.

J


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> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm

From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 10:17:26 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 13:17:26 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
Message-ID: <AANLkTim3PH_JZSPDJCkwHattr5Pe_qM-GBMdoxNjNNQT@mail.gmail.com>

Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
and we are still looking for more submissions.
Are there any more out there?

Fulko
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From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Thu Sep 16 20:25:44 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:25:44 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>


On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:

> 
> Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
> and we are still looking for more submissions.
> Are there any more out there?

Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere? 

--
Phillip Smith   //   Simplifier of Technology   //   COMMUNITY BANDWIDTH
www.communitybandwidth.ca   //   www.phillipadsmith.com








From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 20:28:43 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:28:43 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Phillip Smith <
phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:

>
> On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:
>
> >
> > Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
> > and we are still looking for more submissions.
> > Are there any more out there?
>
> Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere?


http://tpm.pm.org
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 20:31:14 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:31:14 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
	<AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimWMu8UbnODGHFvJpMFtkecV_DbqtsbrybCWdv2@mail.gmail.com>

That'd be http://to.pm.org actually. :)

You should come.  We had almost a dozen last year.  'Twas good.  "Bricolage
for dummies" perhaps. ?  Or maybe we should pencil that in for a full talk
in October. :D



--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Phillip Smith <
> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
>> > and we are still looking for more submissions.
>> > Are there any more out there?
>>
>> Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere?
>
>
> http://tpm.pm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Thu Sep 16 20:35:41 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 23:35:41 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimWMu8UbnODGHFvJpMFtkecV_DbqtsbrybCWdv2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
	<AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimWMu8UbnODGHFvJpMFtkecV_DbqtsbrybCWdv2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTino2=CWdUfDc-9Q6zGF=JMnByTNbk3kfbtbv60u@mail.gmail.com>

I must remember to think when I type.

I neglected to add "Perhaps you should do one" before "Bricolage for
dummies".

:)

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:

> That'd be http://to.pm.org actually. :)
>
> You should come.  We had almost a dozen last year.  'Twas good.  "Bricolage
> for dummies" perhaps. ?  Or maybe we should pencil that in for a full talk
> in October. :D
>
>
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Phillip Smith <
>> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:
>>>
>>> >
>>> > Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
>>> > and we are still looking for more submissions.
>>> > Are there any more out there?
>>>
>>> Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere?
>>
>>
>> http://tpm.pm.org
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From legrady at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 13:27:25 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:27:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
	<AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinv9kz1im=UkC+s0QqiNcR4Rt8gQKY03owdj0NF@mail.gmail.com>

I should point out that mine isn't really lightning ... more like a double
jolt, but still far shorter than a real talk

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>  On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Phillip Smith <
> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
>> > and we are still looking for more submissions.
>> > Are there any more out there?
>>
>> Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere?
>
>
> http://tpm.pm.org
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> toronto-pm at pm.org
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From legrady at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 13:30:13 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 16:30:13 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Climbing URL for Alex
Message-ID: <AANLkTikHUjc3z50-G8o48SCoodMvp=w57GzV80y5GxE=@mail.gmail.com>

anyone can enjoy this, all it requires is a lack of sanity

http://io9.com/5639113/the-scariest-video-you-have-ever-watched-in-the-name-of-science


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From rdice at pobox.com  Fri Sep 17 15:44:43 2010
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 18:44:43 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: Invitation: Cooking for Geeks / Toronto / September 20-21
In-Reply-To: <19EA4A26-4617-4293-9AE9-D7DCBFDDEF4A@gmail.com>
References: <19EA4A26-4617-4293-9AE9-D7DCBFDDEF4A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimwvLh66EB4sg_q0FOxdqYQMVe6ukmq+4u8-kOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi gang,

My friend Paul is helping Jeff promote his "DIY" book tour for his book,
"Cooking For Geeks."  Looks like he's got a lot of Toronto dates planned.

Jeff, care to tell the folks what a "Cooking For Geeks" event looks like?

Cheers,
 - Richard

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Paul Schreiber <paulschreiber at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:49 PM
Subject: Invitation: Cooking for Geeks / Toronto / September 20-21
To: webmaster at to.pm.org
Cc: Richard Liam Dice <rdice at pobox.com>


Please extend this invitation to the Toronto Perl Mongers.

thanks. :)
Paul

??????????

Jeff Potter, author of Cooking for Geeks, will be in Toronto next week:
       http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/

       I LOVE this book. It?s inspiring, invigorating, and damned fun to
spend time
       inside the mind of ?big picture? cooking. I?m Hungry!
       ?Adam Savage, co-host of Discovery Channel's MythBusters

       Cooking for Geeks, a new cookbook by Jeff Potter, is probably the
       best science-meets-the-kitchen book to come out. Ever.
       ?Roxanne Webber, Chow.com reviewer

Jeff will be speaking and signing books at four events:

Monday, September 20
1 pm: LyricFind (2510 Yonge Street, Suite 327; near Eglinton Station)
7 pm: Hacklab (170a Baldwin Street, near Dundas/Spadina)

Tuesday, September 21
2 pm: Linux Caffe (326 Harbord Street, near Christie Station)
7 pm: Camaraderie (102 Adelaide St East 2nd Floor, between Yonge and Jarvis)
       RSVP http://guestlistapp.com/events/31314

Please come, and bring friends! Bring coworkers! Bring your mom!

If you know of any foodie/tech/geek/science organizations, clubs or mailing
lists, please invite them.
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From legrady at gmail.com  Sat Sep 18 11:48:38 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 14:48:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Pittsburgh Perl Workshop
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUQ1fGyjPWJVf4R9nwC0TpiZaxF=rMPtNPc4c3@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone else going to Pittsburgh October 9 & 10?

Tom
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From olaf at vilerichard.com  Sat Sep 18 12:00:08 2010
From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 15:00:08 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Pittsburgh Perl Workshop
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUQ1fGyjPWJVf4R9nwC0TpiZaxF=rMPtNPc4c3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikUQ1fGyjPWJVf4R9nwC0TpiZaxF=rMPtNPc4c3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7046816C-58A2-4618-AE11-74A071D6E1C2@vilerichard.com>

On 2010-09-18, at 2:48 PM, Tom Legrady wrote:

> Anyone else going to Pittsburgh October 9 & 10?
> 
> Tom



I probably would have gone but I believe this is the second year in a row they've scheduled on our Thanksgiving weekend.  The one I did make it down to was excellent, though.  Better organized than a lot of YAPCs and the talks were excellent.

Olaf
--
Olaf Alders
olaf at vilerichard.com

http://vilerichard.com -- folk rock
http://twitter.com/vilerichard
http://cdbaby.com/cd/vilerichard 





From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Mon Sep 20 05:30:28 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:30:28 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTino2=CWdUfDc-9Q6zGF=JMnByTNbk3kfbtbv60u@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
	<AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimWMu8UbnODGHFvJpMFtkecV_DbqtsbrybCWdv2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTino2=CWdUfDc-9Q6zGF=JMnByTNbk3kfbtbv60u@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEB36F76-2847-48EB-9FFB-04C0B68330A8@communitybandwidth.ca>


Heh ... well, if there is still room for an extra talk, feel free to sign me up for a short talk on "Bricolage for dummies."

:-)

On 2010-09-16, at 11:35 PM, Dave Doyle wrote:

> I must remember to think when I type.
> 
> I neglected to add "Perhaps you should do one" before "Bricolage for dummies".
> 
> :)
> 
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:
> That'd be http://to.pm.org actually. :)
> 
> You should come.  We had almost a dozen last year.  'Twas good.  "Bricolage for dummies" perhaps. ?  Or maybe we should pencil that in for a full talk in October. :D
> 
> 
> 
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Phillip Smith <phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
> 
> On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:
> 
> >
> > Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
> > and we are still looking for more submissions.
> > Are there any more out there?
> 
> Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere?
>  
> http://tpm.pm.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> 
> 
> 

--
Phillip Smith   //   Simplifier of Technology   //   COMMUNITY BANDWIDTH
www.communitybandwidth.ca   //   www.phillipadsmith.com








From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 05:34:31 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 08:34:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Lightning Talks (call for submissions)
In-Reply-To: <BEB36F76-2847-48EB-9FFB-04C0B68330A8@communitybandwidth.ca>
References: <mailman.39.1284663634.18725.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<28BCF5FC-3829-4057-9381-0DD632C1E511@communitybandwidth.ca>
	<AANLkTinLguMbngXT9eLX1Z-8pGEx9wRvhOWD=DpNLL7P@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTimWMu8UbnODGHFvJpMFtkecV_DbqtsbrybCWdv2@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTino2=CWdUfDc-9Q6zGF=JMnByTNbk3kfbtbv60u@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEB36F76-2847-48EB-9FFB-04C0B68330A8@communitybandwidth.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinR3HMgA_xv05ODZbTeB6bf+3=4ox8auoVc_ouW@mail.gmail.com>

There is always room.

Always. :)

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Phillip Smith <
phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:

>
> Heh ... well, if there is still room for an extra talk, feel free to sign
> me up for a short talk on "Bricolage for dummies."
>
> :-)
>
> On 2010-09-16, at 11:35 PM, Dave Doyle wrote:
>
> > I must remember to think when I type.
> >
> > I neglected to add "Perhaps you should do one" before "Bricolage for
> dummies".
> >
> > :)
> >
> > --
> > dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > That'd be http://to.pm.org actually. :)
> >
> > You should come.  We had almost a dozen last year.  'Twas good.
>  "Bricolage for dummies" perhaps. ?  Or maybe we should pencil that in for a
> full talk in October. :D
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:28 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 11:25 PM, Phillip Smith <
> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
> >
> > On 2010-09-16, at 3:00 PM, toronto-pm-request at pm.org wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Two more weeks to go in this years lightning season,
> > > and we are still looking for more submissions.
> > > Are there any more out there?
> >
> > Is there a list of the current sessions somewhere?
> >
> > http://tpm.pm.org
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > toronto-pm mailing list
> > toronto-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Phillip Smith   //   Simplifier of Technology   //   COMMUNITY BANDWIDTH
> www.communitybandwidth.ca   //   www.phillipadsmith.com
>
>
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From paulschreiber at gmail.com  Wed Sep  8 13:01:05 2010
From: paulschreiber at gmail.com (Paul Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 8 Sep 2010 16:01:05 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Cooking for Geeks in Toronto
Message-ID: <6035B88D-66F2-4772-8452-0565356AEF09@gmail.com>

Hi Perl Mongers,

My friend Jeff Potter is the author of O?Reilly?s Cooking for Geeks:
	http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/

	I LOVE this book. It?s inspiring, invigorating, and damned fun to spend time
	inside the mind of ?big picture? cooking. I?m Hungry!
	?Adam Savage, co-host of Discovery Channel's MythBusters

	Cooking for Geeks, a new cookbook by Jeff Potter, is probably the
	best science-meets-the-kitchen book to come out. Ever.
	?Roxanne Webber, Chow.com reviewer

He?s putting together a DIY book tour:
	http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/blog/posts/the-diy-book-tour-where-should-i-go/
	http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/blog/posts/diy-book-tour-september-schedule/

Jeff?s going to be in the Toronto area September 19-22. 

Unlike a traditional book tour, Jeff's going to be speaking in living rooms, co-working spaces and other hacker hangouts.

Is TPM interested in (co)hosting or (co)sponsoring an event? If not, do you know someone who might be?


thanks!

Paul Schreiber
647-834-9311

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From paulschreiber at gmail.com  Fri Sep 17 14:49:09 2010
From: paulschreiber at gmail.com (Paul Schreiber)
Date: Fri, 17 Sep 2010 17:49:09 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Invitation: Cooking for Geeks / Toronto / September 20-21
Message-ID: <19EA4A26-4617-4293-9AE9-D7DCBFDDEF4A@gmail.com>

Please extend this invitation to the Toronto Perl Mongers.

thanks. :)
Paul

??????????

Jeff Potter, author of Cooking for Geeks, will be in Toronto next week:
	http://www.cookingforgeeks.com/

	I LOVE this book. It?s inspiring, invigorating, and damned fun to spend time
	inside the mind of ?big picture? cooking. I?m Hungry!
	?Adam Savage, co-host of Discovery Channel's MythBusters

	Cooking for Geeks, a new cookbook by Jeff Potter, is probably the
	best science-meets-the-kitchen book to come out. Ever.
	?Roxanne Webber, Chow.com reviewer

Jeff will be speaking and signing books at four events:

Monday, September 20
1 pm: LyricFind (2510 Yonge Street, Suite 327; near Eglinton Station)
7 pm: Hacklab (170a Baldwin Street, near Dundas/Spadina)

Tuesday, September 21
2 pm: Linux Caffe (326 Harbord Street, near Christie Station)
7 pm: Camaraderie (102 Adelaide St East 2nd Floor, between Yonge and Jarvis)
	RSVP http://guestlistapp.com/events/31314

Please come, and bring friends! Bring coworkers! Bring your mom!

If you know of any foodie/tech/geek/science organizations, clubs or mailing lists, please invite them.
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Mon Sep 20 16:32:10 2010
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:32:10 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
References: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>

buzzword bingo?
--
Shaun Fryer




On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com> wrote:
> This email list used to bustle. It was active and vibrant.
>
> No more. Now it is practically dead.
>
> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into their
> own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that "Beginners" would
> start looking.
>
> But there are no beginners here anymore.
>
> Why is that?

From Martin at Cleaver.org  Mon Sep 20 16:40:42 2010
From: Martin at Cleaver.org (Martin at Cleaver.org)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 19:40:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
	<AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimSjB9b_7X8fdHU-iU7GpgqSTXuJOiyE_b23xa8@mail.gmail.com>

Perhaps... because beginners evaluate which language they should learn.

And experts (and old-timers, take yer pick) think "better the devil you
know".

M.
--
Martin at Cleaver.org
http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
+1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)



On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Shaun Fryer <sfryer at sourcery.ca> wrote:

> buzzword bingo?
> --
> Shaun Fryer
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>
> wrote:
> > This email list used to bustle. It was active and vibrant.
> >
> > No more. Now it is practically dead.
> >
> > It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into
> their
> > own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that "Beginners"
> would
> > start looking.
> >
> > But there are no beginners here anymore.
> >
> > Why is that?
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 17:21:35 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:21:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] no need to worry about lightning any more
Message-ID: <AANLkTimZd+uaYwi54XyJVwx8tpEYbEL-F1Pg6x2yVOTh@mail.gmail.com>

We are now up to 12 submissions for next week's Lightning Talk meeting.

I think that will more than fill our allotted time so... "Obey the Gong!"

Thanks to all who volunteered.
Fulko
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From jakepayton at gmail.com  Mon Sep 20 17:52:17 2010
From: jakepayton at gmail.com (Jake Payton)
Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 20:52:17 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimSjB9b_7X8fdHU-iU7GpgqSTXuJOiyE_b23xa8@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
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Message-ID: <D6F9E391-93EC-4059-9822-96C4BE7F2DE6@gmail.com>

I think it's because people want things that are easy right out of the  
box.  I love perl because I am unconstrained, but I feel like some are  
intimidated by that freedom.  They would rather spend less time  
exploring and simply have something that "just works" for their  
specific task.

Open source is great when you have the will, but many would rather  
just be shown the way.

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 20, 2010, at 7:40 PM, "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at Cleaver.org>  
wrote:

> Perhaps... because beginners evaluate which language they should  
> learn.
>
> And experts (and old-timers, take yer pick) think "better the devil  
> you know".
>
> M.
> --
> Martin at Cleaver.org
> http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
> +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 7:32 PM, Shaun Fryer <sfryer at sourcery.ca>  
> wrote:
> buzzword bingo?
> --
> Shaun Fryer
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson  
> <bills at ezinvoice.com> wrote:
> > This email list used to bustle. It was active and vibrant.
> >
> > No more. Now it is practically dead.
> >
> > It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming  
> into their
> > own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that  
> "Beginners" would
> > start looking.
> >
> > But there are no beginners here anymore.
> >
> > Why is that?
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
> _______________________________________________
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Tue Sep 21 06:36:35 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:36:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
	<AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dce43edd41d556ec443798c794c86727.squirrel@mail.vex.net>

>
> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>
> wrote:

>> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into
>> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that
>> "Beginners" would start looking.
>>

But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's all smartphones.


From Martin at Cleaver.org  Tue Sep 21 06:47:39 2010
From: Martin at Cleaver.org (Martin at Cleaver.org)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 09:47:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <dce43edd41d556ec443798c794c86727.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
References: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
	<AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>
	<dce43edd41d556ec443798c794c86727.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTinYpC7BUUXaz4FxWfVGcZOykEZkPc=phbrhjoKu@mail.gmail.com>

I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
should start.

Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and J2EE
compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit parallel
programming support. Together they give you scripting access to all the J2EE
components developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy
verboseness of XML and Java.

Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new Web
App in one.

M.
--
Martin at Cleaver.org
http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
+1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)



On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into
> >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that
> >> "Beginners" would start looking.
> >>
>
> But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's all
> smartphones.
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 07:14:33 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:14:33 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTinYpC7BUUXaz4FxWfVGcZOykEZkPc=phbrhjoKu@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8b647e52a6579b7d6b0f0637289f0315@ezinvoice.com>
	<AANLkTi=OWMQ+eSEmjw8=gry2WdyxYkx+_fKN0HVxmJrX@mail.gmail.com>
	<dce43edd41d556ec443798c794c86727.squirrel@mail.vex.net>
	<AANLkTinYpC7BUUXaz4FxWfVGcZOykEZkPc=phbrhjoKu@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimK=dzShS0dQ5n3hDkY_bd9-c-WB5jFfFm9q+FN@mail.gmail.com>

While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy the
hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve).  This year's YAPC
had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC.  The ecosystem
itself is doing just fine.

That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my thing
(neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But there are other options like
Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the
stuff done.  I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get
started in webdev in Perl.

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org <Martin at cleaver.org>wrote:

> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
> should start.
>
> Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and
> J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit parallel
> programming support. Together they give you scripting access to all the J2EE
> components developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy
> verboseness of XML and Java.
>
> Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new Web
> App in one.
>
>
> M.
> --
> Martin at Cleaver.org
> http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
> +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
>> >
>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into
>> >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that
>> >> "Beginners" would start looking.
>> >>
>>
>> But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's all
>> smartphones.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From stuart at morungos.com  Tue Sep 21 07:44:16 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 10:44:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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  Let's face it, Perl isn't exactly easy. I am hoping Perl 6 may help, 
but Perl 5 sigils and context take a lot of getting used to. When I 
taught students, they had a hard enough time with basic Java - which is 
essentially a trivial language by comparison. And so, basically, are 
Python and Ruby.

Perl's merit is in the complex stuff. If all you need is standard SQL 
databases and CRUD, who cares? If you need to interface to LDAP, SNMP, 
Twitter, OpenSSL, math libraries, C code, email, ActiveX, etc. - that's 
when Java et al. gets harder and Perl gets easier. Especially when you 
need to connect several of them, which is typical.

Personally, I love Catalyst, for the purposes I use it for. But then I 
did web app development in Spring, which is very similar. Neither are 
for a quick start, they are for seriously architected large-scale 
systems. If you want to learn how to develop a good web app, there is a 
lot to be said for a larger-scale framework, as you need to get the hang 
of how to separate concerns and encapsulate business logic effectively.

Perl also (finally) has the object system it needed to do good 
architectures. With Moose roles, you can actually break up your code 
into functional components you cannot do with purely class-based 
languages. Spring's hacky AspectJ went towards this, with somewhat 
inexplicable terminology. The ideas Perl develops will continue to 
enhance other languages as the ideas become mainstream -- I am happy to 
work at the cutting edge that is modern Perl.

--S
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twitter.com/morungos


On 9/21/2010 10:14 AM, Dave Doyle wrote:
> While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy 
> the hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve).  This 
> year's YAPC had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC. 
>  The ecosystem itself is doing just fine.
>
> That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my 
> thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But there are other 
> options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned 
> CGI::App still gets the stuff done.  I think Dancer would be an 
> excellent way for newbies to get started in webdev in Perl.
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org 
> <Martin at cleaver.org <mailto:Martin at cleaver.org>> wrote:
>
>     I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where
>     beginners should start.
>
>     Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is
>     Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures
>     and implicit parallel programming support. Together they give you
>     scripting access to all the J2EE components developed over the
>     past decade while hiding the crappy verboseness of XML and Java.
>
>     Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start
>     a new Web App in one.
>
>
>     M.
>     --
>     Martin at Cleaver.org
>     http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
>     +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
>     On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net
>     <mailto:arocker at vex.net>> wrote:
>
>         >
>         > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson
>         <bills at ezinvoice.com <mailto:bills at ezinvoice.com>>
>         > wrote:
>
>         >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really
>         coming into
>         >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that
>         >> "Beginners" would start looking.
>         >>
>
>         But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's
>         all smartphones.
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From: olaf at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:10:39 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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On 2010-09-21, at 10:14 AM, Dave Doyle wrote:

> While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy the hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve).  This year's YAPC had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC.  The ecosystem itself is doing just fine.
> 
> That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But there are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done.  I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get started in webdev in Perl.

I'm also not a huge fan of Catalyst, though I do use it for some projects.  Having said that, Dancer is ridiculously easy to get up and running and, for simple applications, it's a great way to get started.  The "hello world" app is up and running in just minutes. 

Also, Plack and, Plack::Middleware in particular, are also making development a *lot* easier for a lot of folks.  I'm going to do a lightning talk on Plack::Middleware and proxying.  With just a few lines of code you can get some amazing functionality.

Olaf
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From legrady at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 08:50:08 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:50:08 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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Perl 5 is not made easier by

@a = ( 1, 1, 2, 3, 5, 8, 13 );
$b = $a[ rand @a ];
@c = @a[3..6]

At least perl6 turns those into

@a = ( 1, 1, 2, 3, 4, 8, 13 );
$b = @a[ rand @a.elems ];
@a = @a[3..6]

On the other hand, Perl6 changes things we're used to. And while it's
wonderful that Perl6 introduces powerful concepts, those new operations
require symbology : attributes, private attributes, list operations, all
sorts of fun stuff. It will stretch Randall Schwartz's abilities to provide
a clear and simple training program.

Tom
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Stuart Watt <stuart at morungos.com> wrote:

> Let's face it, Perl isn't exactly easy. I am hoping Perl 6 may help, but
> Perl 5 sigils and context take a lot of getting used to. When I taught
> students, they had a hard enough time with basic Java - which is essentially
> a trivial language by comparison. And so, basically, are Python and Ruby.
>
> Perl's merit is in the complex stuff. If all you need is standard SQL
> databases and CRUD, who cares? If you need to interface to LDAP, SNMP,
> Twitter, OpenSSL, math libraries, C code, email, ActiveX, etc. - that's when
> Java et al. gets harder and Perl gets easier. Especially when you need to
> connect several of them, which is typical.
>
> Personally, I love Catalyst, for the purposes I use it for. But then I did
> web app development in Spring, which is very similar. Neither are for a
> quick start, they are for seriously architected large-scale systems. If you
> want to learn how to develop a good web app, there is a lot to be said for a
> larger-scale framework, as you need to get the hang of how to separate
> concerns and encapsulate business logic effectively.
>
> Perl also (finally) has the object system it needed to do good
> architectures. With Moose roles, you can actually break up your code into
> functional components you cannot do with purely class-based languages.
> Spring's hacky AspectJ went towards this, with somewhat inexplicable
> terminology. The ideas Perl develops will continue to enhance other
> languages as the ideas become mainstream -- I am happy to work at the
> cutting edge that is modern Perl.
>
> --S
> --
> stuart at morungos.com
> twitter.com/morungos
>
>
>
> On 9/21/2010 10:14 AM, Dave Doyle wrote:
>
> While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy the
> hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve).  This year's YAPC
> had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC.  The ecosystem
> itself is doing just fine.
>
> That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my thing
> (neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But there are other options like
> Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the
> stuff done.  I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get
> started in webdev in Perl.
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org <Martin at cleaver.org>wrote:
>
>> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
>> should start.
>>
>> Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and
>> J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit parallel
>> programming support. Together they give you scripting access to all the J2EE
>> components developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy
>> verboseness of XML and Java.
>>
>> Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new
>> Web App in one.
>>
>>
>> M.
>> --
>> Martin at Cleaver.org
>> http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
>> +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>>
>>
>>
>>  On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>>
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>> >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into
>>> >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that
>>> >> "Beginners" would start looking.
>>> >>
>>>
>>> But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's all
>>> smartphones.
>>>
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From shlomif at iglu.org.il  Tue Sep 21 09:13:30 2010
From: shlomif at iglu.org.il (Shlomi Fish)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 18:13:30 +0200
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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On Tuesday 21 September 2010 15:47:39 Martin at Cleaver.org wrote:
> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
> should start.
> 
> Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and
> J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit
> parallel programming support. Together they give you scripting access to
> all the J2EE components developed over the past decade while hiding the
> crappy
> verboseness of XML and Java.
> 
> Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new Web
> App in one.
> 

OK, great, you've recommended Groovy and Grails. First time I've heard someone 
recommending Grails for web-development (though I've heard of Groovy). Other 
Java programmers seems to like Scala a lot, and other think that Clojure is 
the cat's whiskers. There's also Node.js, Lua, Haskell, Erlang, Python's 
Django, and lots of other hyped technologies. Who should I believe?

Don't get me wrong - I'd love to learn some of them (or all of them) for 
enlightenment, but at the end of the day I'm bamboozled from all the choice 
and don't know whether they are really as good as their hype is. And right now 
I'm getting paid for working on a Perl+Catalyst Project so that's what I'm 
using.

Well, no one said there's wrong by having more than one way to do it, but 
lately there's been a ridiculous number of new technologies to build web apps, 
and I don't know what to choose.

Regards,

	Shlomi Fish

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From stuart at morungos.com  Tue Sep 21 11:14:03 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:14:03 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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  Ok, I didn't know Grails *was* Groovy + Spring + Hibernate + Tomcat. 
Now I do, I'd say it's probably a good framework, but I'm not sure it's 
really any simpler than Catalyst. And that's saying something.

The quickest web apps I've ever developed used HTTP::Daemon. Seriously, 
can it get any simpler than:
http://search.cpan.org/~gaas/libwww-perl-5.837/lib/HTTP/Daemon.pm 
<http://search.cpan.org/%7Egaas/libwww-perl-5.837/lib/HTTP/Daemon.pm>. 
OK, so Dancer and Mojolicious both come close, but they also immediately 
impose stuff on you.

For learning, there is a lot to be said for this approach. A framework 
is just more stuff to learn, and while they are useful because they hide 
nasty web complexity, this makes it harder to see what's going on.

--S
--
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twitter.com/morungos

On 9/21/2010 12:13 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote:
> On Tuesday 21 September 2010 15:47:39 Martin at Cleaver.org wrote:
>> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
>> should start.

From arocker at Vex.Net  Tue Sep 21 11:19:29 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 14:19:29 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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>   Let's face it, Perl isn't exactly easy. I am hoping Perl 6 may help,
> but Perl 5 sigils and context take a lot of getting used to. When I
> taught students, they had a hard enough time with basic Java -

Every problem has an irreducible level of complexity. (To put it another
way, some things are just really hard.) It's usually easy to increase the 
complexity by foolish choice of approach, notation, or classification.

Intellectual progress usually results from experience (and genius)
simplifying what once was mysterious, (long division used to be something
taught as university level mathematics), but no matter how hard you try or
how clever your approach, a given problem has an inherent difficulty.

Looking at the repeated attempts over the years, (from COBOL to RPG II,
through SQL and drag-and-drop programming packages), to render programming
a common skill, I am reminded of the machine described in "Gulliver's
Travels", http://www.sparknotes.com/lit/gulliver/section9.rhtml that would
enable the ignorant to write books on any subject without knowing anything
about them. (I think I've read some of its output).

Do you really want serious problems addressed by people who can't handle
simple programming languages?


From jztam at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 11:54:54 2010
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 11:54:54 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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Dave,? 
IIRC,? you had mentioned that on WindoZe server OS,? it would be easier/doable to set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl.? If? so, which versions of each are working for you?
Thanks in advance. 
Jordan

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
To: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org>
Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:14 AM

While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy the hype. ?CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve). ?This year's YAPC had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC. ?The ecosystem itself is doing just fine.

That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter). ?But there are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done. ?I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get started in webdev in Perl.

--
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org <Martin at cleaver.org> wrote:

I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners should start.

Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit parallel programming support. Together they give you scripting access to all the J2EE components developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy verboseness of XML and Java.



Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new Web App in one.

M.
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http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver


+1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)




On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM,  <arocker at vex.net> wrote:


>

> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>

> wrote:



>> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into

>> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that

>> "Beginners" would start looking.

>>



But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's all smartphones.



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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Tue Sep 21 12:06:38 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:06:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
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Hey Jordan,

Actually, I have no actual experience with Strawberry Perl or Catalyst on
windows.

I have setup a CGI::App system using ActiveState Perl and Apache2 on windows
back in the day.  My knowledge is severely outdated now.  My suggestion of
Strawberry was purely from reading.

>From what I understand, Strawberry Perl is superior to ActiveState in that
it has the full stack of tools needed to compile modules (as opposed to
precompiled PPM packages, of which ActiveState maintains and incomplete
archive of CPAN).  If I recall, ActiveState wasn't able to package some
things because of licensing (Crypt::SSLeay I think). I've not played with it
though.  I've only ever deployed Catalyst on Linux/Solaris but we're using
the latest and greatest 5.8.x series to get the Moosey goodness.  I'm afraid
you'd have to experiment.  I've no idea how to get Strawberry Perl to play
nice with IIS if that's your server (we used the ISAPI plugin to IIS from
Activestate) so you may want to try Apache2.  I don't know what other
alternatives you have at the moment.

D



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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM, J Z Tam <jztam at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Dave,
> IIRC,  you had mentioned that on WindoZe server OS,  it would be
> easier/doable to set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl.  If  so, which
> versions of each are working for you?
> Thanks in advance.
> Jordan
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
> To: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org>
> Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
> Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
>
> While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy the
> hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve).  This year's YAPC
> had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC.  The ecosystem
> itself is doing just fine.
>
> That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my thing
> (neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But there are other options like
> Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the
> stuff done.  I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get
> started in webdev in Perl.
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com <http://mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org <Martin at cleaver.org<http://mc/compose?to=Martin at cleaver.org>
> > wrote:
>
> I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners
> should start.
>
> Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and
> J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit parallel
> programming support. Together they give you scripting access to all the J2EE
> components developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy
> verboseness of XML and Java.
>
> Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new Web
> App in one.
>
>
> M.
> --
> Martin at Cleaver.org
> http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
> +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net<http://mc/compose?to=arocker at vex.net>
> > wrote:
>
> >
> > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com<http://mc/compose?to=bills at ezinvoice.com>
> >
> > wrote:
>
> >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into
> >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that
> >> "Beginners" would start looking.
> >>
>
> But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now; it's all
> smartphones.
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From jztam at yahoo.com  Tue Sep 21 12:13:48 2010
From: jztam at yahoo.com (J Z Tam)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 12:13:48 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYQPKcbSF6XTOu053nBMtnvs6-mz1Y9oZrmY7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <884197.40141.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>

Thanks Dave.
I'll hunt for other people's? success stories on Fedora then.

Do any listers have a know working build sheet for Catalyst on Windoze server, using either Strawberry or another perl distro??? I had an impasse 4 months ago using my XP Pro desktop: ActiveState5.8.8? trying to get Catalyst to install... at all.?? ;-(
TIA
/jordan 


--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:

From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
To: "J Z Tam" <jztam at yahoo.com>
Cc: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org>, "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:06 PM

Hey Jordan,
Actually, I have no actual experience with Strawberry Perl or Catalyst on windows. ?
I have setup a CGI::App system using ActiveState Perl and Apache2 on windows back in the day. ?My knowledge is severely outdated now. ?My suggestion of Strawberry was purely from reading.

>From what I understand, Strawberry Perl is superior to ActiveState in that it has the full stack of tools needed to compile modules (as opposed to precompiled PPM packages, of which ActiveState maintains and incomplete archive of CPAN). ?If I recall, ActiveState wasn't able to package some things because of licensing (Crypt::SSLeay I think). I've not played with it though. ?I've only ever deployed Catalyst on Linux/Solaris but we're using the latest and greatest 5.8.x series to get the Moosey goodness. ?I'm afraid you'd have to experiment. ?I've no idea how to get Strawberry Perl to play nice with IIS if that's your server (we used the ISAPI plugin to IIS from Activestate) so you may want to try Apache2. ?I don't know what other alternatives you have at the moment.

D


--
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM, J Z Tam <jztam at yahoo.com> wrote:

Dave,? 
IIRC,? you had mentioned that on WindoZe server OS,? it would be easier/doable to set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl.? If? so, which versions of each are working for you?

Thanks in advance. 
Jordan

--- On Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com> wrote:


From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
To: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org>

Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:14 AM

While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I don't buy the hype. ?CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a curve). ?This
 year's YAPC had about 70% of folk going to their first or second YAPC. ?The ecosystem itself is doing just fine.

That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter). ?But there are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done. ?I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get started in webdev in Perl.


--
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On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org <Martin at cleaver.org> wrote:


I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is where beginners should start.

Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework, Groovy is Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting language with closures and implicit parallel programming support. Together they give you scripting access to all the J2EE components developed over the past decade while hiding the crappy verboseness of XML and Java.




Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I wouldn't start a new Web App in one.

M.
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http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver



+1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)




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>

> On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson <bills at ezinvoice.com>

> wrote:



>> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are really coming into

>> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the place that

>> "Beginners" would start looking.

>>



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From stuart at morungos.com  Tue Sep 21 12:22:35 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:22:35 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimYQPKcbSF6XTOu053nBMtnvs6-mz1Y9oZrmY7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTimK=dzShS0dQ5n3hDkY_bd9-c-WB5jFfFm9q+FN@mail.gmail.com>	<841502.36853.qm@web57602.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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  Hi Jordan,

Strawberry Professional includes Catalyst and all common dependencies. 
It's a bit bigger and still alpha, but basically it is Strawberry 
standard underneath. I would be tempted to try that for a very quick start.

However, starting from a standard Strawberry install, Catalyst should 
(in theory) install with the usual:

cpan Task::CatInABox

Beware that some modules do not install cleanly under Windows. They do 
run under Windows fine - at least, we've been using them fine in 
production for a few years now. I don't use Strawberry myself, as I 
compile Perl without fork for performance, and anyway threading is 
pointless under Windows/IIS. But effectively I use the same compiler and 
processes, and I probably will switch now that a 64-bit Strawberry is out.

We've got Catalyst, OpenSSL, XML::LibXML, and all sorts of fun stuff 
working well under Windows Server 2003/IIS. Email me if you need more 
pointers.

--S
--
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twitter.com/morungos


On 9/21/2010 3:06 PM, Dave Doyle wrote:
> Hey Jordan,
>
> Actually, I have no actual experience with Strawberry Perl or Catalyst 
> on windows.
>
> I have setup a CGI::App system using ActiveState Perl and Apache2 on 
> windows back in the day.  My knowledge is severely outdated now.  My 
> suggestion of Strawberry was purely from reading.
>
> From what I understand, Strawberry Perl is superior to ActiveState in 
> that it has the full stack of tools needed to compile modules (as 
> opposed to precompiled PPM packages, of which ActiveState maintains 
> and incomplete archive of CPAN).  If I recall, ActiveState wasn't able 
> to package some things because of licensing (Crypt::SSLeay I think). 
> I've not played with it though.  I've only ever deployed Catalyst on 
> Linux/Solaris but we're using the latest and greatest 5.8.x series to 
> get the Moosey goodness.  I'm afraid you'd have to experiment.  I've 
> no idea how to get Strawberry Perl to play nice with IIS if that's 
> your server (we used the ISAPI plugin to IIS from Activestate) so you 
> may want to try Apache2.  I don't know what other alternatives you 
> have at the moment.
>
> D
>
>
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM, J Z Tam <jztam at yahoo.com 
> <mailto:jztam at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>     Dave,
>     IIRC,  you had mentioned that on WindoZe server OS,  it would be
>     easier/doable to set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl.  If  so,
>     which versions of each are working for you?
>     Thanks in advance.
>     Jordan
>
>     --- On *Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle /<dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>     <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
>         From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>         <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>>
>         Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
>         To: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org
>         <mailto:Martin at cleaver.org>>
>         Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org <mailto:tpm at to.pm.org>>
>         Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
>
>         While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye, I
>         don't buy the hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster (it's a
>         curve).  This year's YAPC had about 70% of folk going to their
>         first or second YAPC.  The ecosystem itself is doing just fine.
>
>         That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they
>         ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But
>         there are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as far
>         as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done.  I think
>         Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to get started in
>         webdev in Perl.
>
>         --
>         dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>         <http://mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
>         On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org
>         <Martin at cleaver.org <http://mc/compose?to=Martin at cleaver.org>>
>         wrote:
>
>             I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on Grails is
>             where beginners should start.
>
>             Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework,
>             Groovy is Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting
>             language with closures and implicit parallel programming
>             support. Together they give you scripting access to all
>             the J2EE components developed over the past decade while
>             hiding the crappy verboseness of XML and Java.
>
>             Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I
>             wouldn't start a new Web App in one.
>
>
>             M.
>             --
>             Martin at Cleaver.org
>             http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
>             +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
>             On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net
>             <http://mc/compose?to=arocker at vex.net>> wrote:
>
>                 >
>                 > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson
>                 <bills at ezinvoice.com
>                 <http://mc/compose?to=bills at ezinvoice.com>>
>                 > wrote:
>
>                 >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps" are
>                 really coming into
>                 >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be the
>                 place that
>                 >> "Beginners" would start looking.
>                 >>
>
>                 But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe now;
>                 it's all smartphones.
>
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From stuart at morungos.com  Tue Sep 21 12:31:25 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Tue, 21 Sep 2010 15:31:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
In-Reply-To: <884197.40141.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
References: <884197.40141.qm@web57616.mail.re1.yahoo.com>
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  I'll dig out the modules I had to force install tonight - my built 
sheet is at home on a virtualized system. From what I remember, the real 
pain was WWW::Mechanize, Test::WWW::Mechanize, and 
Test::WWW::Mechanize::Catalyst -- all of which fail to install properly 
under Windows. I force installed these, and most of the rest installed 
clean. The problem appeared to be using fork to create two processes 
with a non-blocking connection to test the test modules. OpenSSL could 
also be an issue if you use it.

If things fail let me know - I use the same toolchain as Strawberry, and 
manually install a lot of stuff when needed. That is the problem with 
Strawberry - several key CPAN modules have tests that break on Windows 
even when the module is fine.

--S
--
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twitter.com/morungos

On 9/21/2010 3:13 PM, J Z Tam wrote:
> Thanks Dave.
> I'll hunt for other people's  success stories on Fedora then.
>
> Do any listers have a know working build sheet for Catalyst on Windoze 
> server, using either Strawberry or another perl distro?   I had an 
> impasse 4 months ago using my XP Pro desktop: ActiveState5.8.8  trying 
> to get Catalyst to install... at all.   ;-(
> TIA
> /jordan
>
>
> --- On *Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle /<dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>/* wrote:
>
>
>     From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
>     To: "J Z Tam" <jztam at yahoo.com>
>     Cc: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org>, "Toronto Perl
>     Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org>
>     Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 3:06 PM
>
>     Hey Jordan,
>
>     Actually, I have no actual experience with Strawberry Perl or
>     Catalyst on windows.
>
>     I have setup a CGI::App system using ActiveState Perl and Apache2
>     on windows back in the day.  My knowledge is severely outdated
>     now.  My suggestion of Strawberry was purely from reading.
>
>     From what I understand, Strawberry Perl is superior to ActiveState
>     in that it has the full stack of tools needed to compile modules
>     (as opposed to precompiled PPM packages, of which ActiveState
>     maintains and incomplete archive of CPAN).  If I recall,
>     ActiveState wasn't able to package some things because of
>     licensing (Crypt::SSLeay I think). I've not played with it though.
>      I've only ever deployed Catalyst on Linux/Solaris but we're using
>     the latest and greatest 5.8.x series to get the Moosey goodness.
>      I'm afraid you'd have to experiment.  I've no idea how to get
>     Strawberry Perl to play nice with IIS if that's your server (we
>     used the ISAPI plugin to IIS from Activestate) so you may want to
>     try Apache2.  I don't know what other alternatives you have at the
>     moment.
>
>     D
>
>
>
>     --
>     dave.s.doyle at gmail.com </mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
>     On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 2:54 PM, J Z Tam <jztam at yahoo.com
>     </mc/compose?to=jztam at yahoo.com>> wrote:
>
>         Dave,
>         IIRC,  you had mentioned that on WindoZe server OS,  it would
>         be easier/doable to set up Catalyst using Strawberry Perl. 
>         If  so, which versions of each are working for you?
>         Thanks in advance.
>         Jordan
>
>         --- On *Tue, 9/21/10, Dave Doyle /<dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>         </mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>>/* wrote:
>
>
>             From: Dave Doyle <dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>             </mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>>
>             Subject: Re: [tpm] Why perl lost steam...
>             To: "Martin at Cleaver.org" <Martin at cleaver.org
>             </mc/compose?to=Martin at cleaver.org>>
>             Cc: "Toronto Perl Mongers" <tpm at to.pm.org
>             </mc/compose?to=tpm at to.pm.org>>
>             Received: Tuesday, September 21, 2010, 10:14 AM
>
>
>             While I do believe Perl has lost steam in the publics eye,
>             I don't buy the hype.  CPAN is growing faster and faster
>             (it's a curve).  This year's YAPC had about 70% of folk
>             going to their first or second YAPC.  The ecosystem itself
>             is doing just fine.
>
>             That being said, I've looked and Django and Rails and they
>             ain't my thing (neither is Catalyst for that matter).  But
>             there are other options like Mojolicious and Dancer and as
>             far as I'm concerned CGI::App still gets the stuff done.
>              I think Dancer would be an excellent way for newbies to
>             get started in webdev in Perl.
>
>             --
>             dave.s.doyle at gmail.com
>             <http://mc/compose?to=dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
>             On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:47 AM, Martin at Cleaver.org
>             <Martin at cleaver.org
>             <http://mc/compose?to=Martin at cleaver.org>> wrote:
>
>                 I'd contend that building a Web app in Groovy on
>                 Grails is where beginners should start.
>
>                 Grails is one (not several competing) Web Framework,
>                 Groovy is Java and J2EE compliant, yet a scripting
>                 language with closures and implicit parallel
>                 programming support. Together they give you scripting
>                 access to all the J2EE components developed over the
>                 past decade while hiding the crappy verboseness of XML
>                 and Java.
>
>                 Building a Web App? As much I know and like Perl I
>                 wouldn't start a new Web App in one.
>
>
>                 M.
>                 --
>                 Martin at Cleaver.org
>                 http://twitter.com/mrjcleaver
>                 +1 416-786-6752 (GMT-5)
>
>
>
>                 On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 9:36 AM, <arocker at vex.net
>                 <http://mc/compose?to=arocker at vex.net>> wrote:
>
>                     >
>                     > On Mon, Sep 20, 2010 at 4:39 PM, Bill Stephenson
>                     <bills at ezinvoice.com
>                     <http://mc/compose?to=bills at ezinvoice.com>>
>                     > wrote:
>
>                     >> It would seem that right now, when "Web Apps"
>                     are really coming into
>                     >> their own, CGI scripts written in Perl would be
>                     the place that
>                     >> "Beginners" would start looking.
>                     >>
>
>                     But CGI is sooo '90s, and even Web apps are passe
>                     now; it's all smartphones.
>
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:03:42 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:03:42 -0400
Subject: [tpm] quicky regex question
Message-ID: <AANLkTim68t579s2_6q-9NJE-vb4wVEwJcwyzPYDwKe6V@mail.gmail.com>

given the sample pattern:

00.99.88.77.66.55.44.33.22.11

and I wanted to extract the 'n' amount of number-dot sequences
how do I do it?

I tried something like /^(\d*\.){$n}/
but that only got me the 'nth' number, not everything preceding it also.

ie if n=7

I want:   '00.99.88.77.66.55.44'
not just:
 '.44'

TIA
Fulko
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:06:55 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:06:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] quicky regex question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim68t579s2_6q-9NJE-vb4wVEwJcwyzPYDwKe6V@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim68t579s2_6q-9NJE-vb4wVEwJcwyzPYDwKe6V@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=g81P67_G6AAEP1106MVH8gQ406_sBcFM+QACO@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:03 PM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

> given the sample pattern:
>
> 00.99.88.77.66.55.44.33.22.11
>
> and I wanted to extract the 'n' amount of number-dot sequences
> how do I do it?
>
> I tried something like /^(\d*\.){$n}/
> but that only got me the 'nth' number, not everything preceding it also.
>
> ie if n=7
>
> I want:   '00.99.88.77.66.55.44'
> not just:
>  '.44'
>

Nevermind... that neuron finally decided to fire!
The answer is an extra set of 'capture'.  Ie.

/^((\d*\.)){$n}/
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From arocker at Vex.Net  Wed Sep 22 11:18:18 2010
From: arocker at Vex.Net (arocker at Vex.Net)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:18:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] DVD playback problem
Message-ID: <f80b1cbba920f6d1939ff008244fb01e.squirrel@mail.vex.net>


Ever since I installed Mandriva 2010 on my laptop, I've had a problem
playing DVDs. The frame rate was approximately twice normal rate which
looked like the Keystone Kops on speed.

Acting on a suggestion I found online, I removed an entry "vga=788" from a
line in Xorg.0.log.

This had the effect of displaying the video in synch with the audio, but
as a series of static shots jerking from one image to another. (As though
the intermediate frames were missing.)

Can anybody explain what's going on here, and/or suggest the next experiment?


From ejanev at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:34:29 2010
From: ejanev at gmail.com (Emil Janev)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:34:29 -0400
Subject: [tpm] quicky regex question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=g81P67_G6AAEP1106MVH8gQ406_sBcFM+QACO@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim68t579s2_6q-9NJE-vb4wVEwJcwyzPYDwKe6V@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=g81P67_G6AAEP1106MVH8gQ406_sBcFM+QACO@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTikUbDRqmkrHmmUW_8bDUDXnsEs9ba0Cf4-oZq2-@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Fulko,

I tried this one, and I think it gives the same result:

44.

If it was working for you, was it maybe:

/^((\d*\.){$n})/

This one gives:

00.99.88.77.66.55.44.

Regards,
Emil



> Nevermind... that neuron finally decided to fire!
> The answer is an extra set of 'capture'.  Ie.
>
> /^((\d*\.)){$n}/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>


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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 22 11:45:26 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:45:26 -0400
Subject: [tpm] quicky regex question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUbDRqmkrHmmUW_8bDUDXnsEs9ba0Cf4-oZq2-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim68t579s2_6q-9NJE-vb4wVEwJcwyzPYDwKe6V@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=g81P67_G6AAEP1106MVH8gQ406_sBcFM+QACO@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUbDRqmkrHmmUW_8bDUDXnsEs9ba0Cf4-oZq2-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimUNUhddXbS0QifMR7Hzdiy6_e1zbfX7Q-56etT@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:34 PM, Emil Janev <ejanev at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Fulko,
>
> I tried this one, and I think it gives the same result:
>
> 44.
>
> If it was working for you, was it maybe:
>
> /^((\d*\.){$n})/
>
> This one gives:
>
> 00.99.88.77.66.55.44.
>

Yup... transcription error in my second email.


>
>
>
>> Nevermind... that neuron finally decided to fire!
>> The answer is an extra set of 'capture'.  Ie.
>>
>> /^((\d*\.)){$n}/
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> toronto-pm mailing list
>> toronto-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Emil Janev
>
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From vvp at cogeco.ca  Wed Sep 22 11:49:29 2010
From: vvp at cogeco.ca (Viktor Pavlenko)
Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2010 14:49:29 -0400
Subject: [tpm] quicky regex question
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikUbDRqmkrHmmUW_8bDUDXnsEs9ba0Cf4-oZq2-@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTim68t579s2_6q-9NJE-vb4wVEwJcwyzPYDwKe6V@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTi=g81P67_G6AAEP1106MVH8gQ406_sBcFM+QACO@mail.gmail.com>
	<AANLkTikUbDRqmkrHmmUW_8bDUDXnsEs9ba0Cf4-oZq2-@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <19610.20409.567658.761074@hetman.ua>

>>>>> "EJ" == Emil Janev <ejanev at gmail.com> writes:

    EJ> Hi Fulko,
    EJ> I tried this one, and I think it gives the same result:

    EJ> 44.

    EJ> If it was working for you, was it maybe:

    EJ> /^((\d*\.){$n})/

    EJ> This one gives:

    EJ> 00.99.88.77.66.55.44.

This won't include the traling dot and won't populate $2:

/^((?:\.?\d*){$n})/

-- 
Viktor


From David.Collier-Brown at lexisnexis.ca  Fri Sep 24 10:15:40 2010
From: David.Collier-Brown at lexisnexis.ca (Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN))
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:15:40 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Off-topic: My employer is looking for 2-3 people with text
	processing experience
Message-ID: <D07AFC747BC04E4BB3342CBEF27BC9FD0EA44ED4@lngcanexcp002.legal.regn.net>

  Lexis Nexis, the legal publishing company (whom you may know as
QuickLaw) needs several Linux text processing people, for a 3-month
contract long-term effort running and refactoring their Web and eBook
publishing systems.

  If you're interested, you primarily need text processing experience,
either XML processing, typesetting, or classic parsing with Perl or
lex/yacc.  The environment is Java on Linux, and it would also help if
you also know agile methods.

  Anyone who's interested, send me email and I'll pass it on to
management.

--dave
--
David Collier-Brown,
(905) 479-2665 x306


From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Fri Sep 24 10:22:50 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:22:50 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Off-topic: My employer is looking for 2-3 people with
 text processing experience
In-Reply-To: <D07AFC747BC04E4BB3342CBEF27BC9FD0EA44ED4@lngcanexcp002.legal.regn.net>
References: <D07AFC747BC04E4BB3342CBEF27BC9FD0EA44ED4@lngcanexcp002.legal.regn.net>
Message-ID: <AANLkTi=J5YqRDDL+xi-KmJrq+ApY7XEv1Gm=0bk0wSM=@mail.gmail.com>

Oh wow.  That brings me back.  I used to work for Canada Law Book.  I
remember when we tried to buy Quicklaw and Lexis Nexis blew us out of the
water. :)

While I'm not looking for myself, Canada Law Book (now the Cartwright Group)
has been sold and broken up. I have a friend or two who might fit the bill,
have experience with legal data and may be looking for greener pastures now
that the company is being pulled apart.  Is it okay if I pass something
along to them?

Thanks,
D

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN) <
David.Collier-Brown at lexisnexis.ca> wrote:

>  Lexis Nexis, the legal publishing company (whom you may know as
> QuickLaw) needs several Linux text processing people, for a 3-month
> contract long-term effort running and refactoring their Web and eBook
> publishing systems.
>
>  If you're interested, you primarily need text processing experience,
> either XML processing, typesetting, or classic parsing with Perl or
> lex/yacc.  The environment is Java on Linux, and it would also help if
> you also know agile methods.
>
>  Anyone who's interested, send me email and I'll pass it on to
> management.
>
> --dave
> --
> David Collier-Brown,
> (905) 479-2665 x306
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
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From David.Collier-Brown at lexisnexis.ca  Fri Sep 24 10:29:54 2010
From: David.Collier-Brown at lexisnexis.ca (Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN))
Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 13:29:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Off-topic: My employer is looking for 2-3 people with
	text processing experience
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTi=J5YqRDDL+xi-KmJrq+ApY7XEv1Gm=0bk0wSM=@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D07AFC747BC04E4BB3342CBEF27BC9FD0EA44ED4@lngcanexcp002.legal.regn.net>
	<AANLkTi=J5YqRDDL+xi-KmJrq+ApY7XEv1Gm=0bk0wSM=@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D07AFC747BC04E4BB3342CBEF27BC9FD0EA44F07@lngcanexcp002.legal.regn.net>

Absolutely!

 

 --dave

 

________________________________

From: Dave Doyle [mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:23 PM
To: Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN)
Cc: tpm at to.pm.org
Subject: Re: [tpm] Off-topic: My employer is looking for 2-3 people with
text processing experience

 

Oh wow.  That brings me back.  I used to work for Canada Law Book.  I
remember when we tried to buy Quicklaw and Lexis Nexis blew us out of
the water. :)

 

While I'm not looking for myself, Canada Law Book (now the Cartwright
Group) has been sold and broken up. I have a friend or two who might fit
the bill, have experience with legal data and may be looking for greener
pastures now that the company is being pulled apart.  Is it okay if I
pass something along to them?

 

Thanks,

D

 

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com



On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 1:15 PM, Collier-Brown, David (LNG-CAN)
<David.Collier-Brown at lexisnexis.ca> wrote:

 Lexis Nexis, the legal publishing company (whom you may know as
QuickLaw) needs several Linux text processing people, for a 3-month
contract long-term effort running and refactoring their Web and eBook
publishing systems.

 If you're interested, you primarily need text processing experience,
either XML processing, typesetting, or classic parsing with Perl or
lex/yacc.  The environment is Java on Linux, and it would also help if
you also know agile methods.

 Anyone who's interested, send me email and I'll pass it on to
management.

--dave
--
David Collier-Brown,
(905) 479-2665 x306

_______________________________________________
toronto-pm mailing list
toronto-pm at pm.org
http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm

 

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From mike at stok.ca  Tue Sep 28 05:54:48 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 08:54:48 -0400
Subject: [tpm] lightning talks - 30 October 2010
Message-ID: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>

See http://to.pm.org for more details.

Date: Thu 30 Sep 2010 18:45 EDT
Venue: Nexient, Classroom E (5), 12th Floor
Topic: Lightning Talks
Emcee: Fulko Hew
Synopsis:
Short, 5 to 15 minute talks from a variety of people, on any subject as long as it's got at least a tangent to Perl.

The order of talks listed here does not imply any order of presentation.

Fulko Hew: Render On Caesar

Mike Stok: Don't Quote Me On That

Scott Elcomb: Perl & Android - Getting GUI
Recently the Android Scripting Environment (ASE) was renamed Scripting Layer 4 Android. The second release (SL4A r1) was just posted a couple days ago which address several issues from my talk a couple months back - including packaging scripts for distribution on the Android Market and creating GUI's with a WebView.

Scott Elcomb: Pirate Party of Canada - One year on
Last year I described a bit about the Pirate Party of Canada and we had some short discussion on IP & Privacy matters. There's been a lot of activity in the last year and I'd be happy to talk a bit about what we've been up to.

Alan Rocker: Whats new in Perl 5.10 and 5.12

Olaf Alders: Getting Started with Dist::Zilla

Olaf Alders: Mangling CPAN with Plack::App::Proxy

Tom Legrady: Lightning Perl 6

Dave Doyle: Digging into CPAN

Phillip Smith: "Bricolage for dummies"

James E Keenan: Where Do C Programmers Come From?

James E Keenan: Wha' Do We Ain't Got?

Location: 2 Bloor Street West, (usually) 8th or 16th floor. The room number will be announced on the mailing list a few days before the meeting. It will also be left with the security desk in the building (main floor lobby) shortly before the meeting starts (i.e. around 6pm).

Time: 6:45 p.m.

Directions: This building is on the north-west corner of Bloor and Yonge, accessible by subway from Bloor station. Pay parking is also ample in this area.

Security note: The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm             to people without building access cards. Leading up to the meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every few minutes to ferry people upstairs. There will be a number of scheduled trips:

	? 17:30
	? 18:00
	? 18:30
	? 18:45
	? 19:00

After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the front lobby. The room and floor numbers will be left with security too.

If any latecomers call up there will be a final group elevator run at 19:10. After that, access will be ad-hoc; call up from security and somebody will try to come down and let you up.

-- 

Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.





From mike at stok.ca  Tue Sep 28 07:45:47 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 10:45:47 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
References: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <5173312E-E970-4D44-AEE7-A1E9DF3F713B@stok.ca>

My announcement from earlier today had the wrong month in the subject line.  The lightning talks are this this Thursday - 30 September.

Mike

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> Date: September 28, 2010 8:54:48 AM EDT
> To: TPM PerlMongers <tpm at to.pm.org>
> Subject: lightning talks - 30 October 2010
> 
> See http://to.pm.org for more details.
> 
> Date: Thu 30 Sep 2010 18:45 EDT
> Venue: Nexient, Classroom E (5), 12th Floor
> Topic: Lightning Talks
> Emcee: Fulko Hew
> Synopsis:
> Short, 5 to 15 minute talks from a variety of people, on any subject as long as it's got at least a tangent to Perl.
> 
> The order of talks listed here does not imply any order of presentation.
> 
> Fulko Hew: Render On Caesar
> 
> Mike Stok: Don't Quote Me On That
> 
> Scott Elcomb: Perl & Android - Getting GUI
> Recently the Android Scripting Environment (ASE) was renamed Scripting Layer 4 Android. The second release (SL4A r1) was just posted a couple days ago which address several issues from my talk a couple months back - including packaging scripts for distribution on the Android Market and creating GUI's with a WebView.
> 
> Scott Elcomb: Pirate Party of Canada - One year on
> Last year I described a bit about the Pirate Party of Canada and we had some short discussion on IP & Privacy matters. There's been a lot of activity in the last year and I'd be happy to talk a bit about what we've been up to.
> 
> Alan Rocker: Whats new in Perl 5.10 and 5.12
> 
> Olaf Alders: Getting Started with Dist::Zilla
> 
> Olaf Alders: Mangling CPAN with Plack::App::Proxy
> 
> Tom Legrady: Lightning Perl 6
> 
> Dave Doyle: Digging into CPAN
> 
> Phillip Smith: "Bricolage for dummies"
> 
> James E Keenan: Where Do C Programmers Come From?
> 
> James E Keenan: Wha' Do We Ain't Got?
> 
> Location: 2 Bloor Street West, (usually) 8th or 16th floor. The room number will be announced on the mailing list a few days before the meeting. It will also be left with the security desk in the building (main floor lobby) shortly before the meeting starts (i.e. around 6pm).
> 
> Time: 6:45 p.m.
> 
> Directions: This building is on the north-west corner of Bloor and Yonge, accessible by subway from Bloor station. Pay parking is also ample in this area.
> 
> Security note: The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm             to people without building access cards. Leading up to the meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every few minutes to ferry people upstairs. There will be a number of scheduled trips:
> 
> 	? 17:30
> 	? 18:00
> 	? 18:30
> 	? 18:45
> 	? 19:00
> 
> After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the front lobby. The room and floor numbers will be left with security too.
> 
> If any latecomers call up there will be a final group elevator run at 19:10. After that, access will be ad-hoc; call up from security and somebody will try to come down and let you up.
> 
> -- 
> 
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/
> 
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 

Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.





From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Wed Sep 29 07:29:11 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:29:11 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>


Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector, or presenting technology at all? Or are these talks literally "talks," without visual aids? 

--
Phillip Smith   //   Simplifier of Technology   //   COMMUNITY BANDWIDTH
www.communitybandwidth.ca   //   www.phillipadsmith.com








From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 07:36:14 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:36:14 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTimy+PX=yzwfbd68VkuOSNi5S5Akh2VxBa-ODTWX@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Phillip Smith <
phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:

>
> Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector, or presenting
> technology at all? Or are these talks literally "talks," without visual
> aids?
>

Most presentations usually have a few slides,
... some have had audio
and others have been limited to 'creative hand-waving'.

Fulko

I spent last night making my 19 (gack) slides.
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From phillip at communitybandwidth.ca  Wed Sep 29 07:41:38 2010
From: phillip at communitybandwidth.ca (Phillip Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:41:38 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimy+PX=yzwfbd68VkuOSNi5S5Akh2VxBa-ODTWX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>
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On 2010-09-29, at 10:36 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Phillip Smith <phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
> 
> Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector, or presenting technology at all? Or are these talks literally "talks," without visual aids?
> 
> Most presentations usually have a few slides,
> ... some have had audio
> and others have been limited to 'creative hand-waving'.

I like hand-waving. That works for me.   :)  Are we presenting from our laptop, or from a projector? I.e., are the lightening talks simultaneous (aka "Speed Geek" [1] style) or one after another to the entire room? 

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speed_geeking

--
Phillip Smith   //   Simplifier of Technology   //   COMMUNITY BANDWIDTH
www.communitybandwidth.ca   //   www.phillipadsmith.com








From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 07:49:15 2010
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:49:15 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <92749EE2-7652-43D8-BA39-7F048A8DA7DD@communitybandwidth.ca>
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>
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Message-ID: <AANLkTim+r4U2aNP7-ffjy4sw6eor1zY1HK4cDZyb2dxh@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Phillip Smith <
phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:

>
> On 2010-09-29, at 10:36 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Phillip Smith <
> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
> >
> > Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector, or
> presenting technology at all? Or are these talks literally "talks," without
> visual aids?
> >
> > Most presentations usually have a few slides,
> > ... some have had audio
> > and others have been limited to 'creative hand-waving'.
>
> I like hand-waving. That works for me.   :)  Are we presenting from our
> laptop, or from a projector? I.e., are the lightening talks simultaneous
> (aka "Speed Geek" [1] style) or one after another to the entire room?
>

A projector. is usually available,

And no, there are not simultaneous.  That would be too hard to listen to.
(Sometimes I have trouble focusing on one thing at a time let alone 12!)
And besides... those presenters that are giving TWO talks would have
great difficulty giving them both at the same time!

So... they are presented serially.

... one presenter... one projector... one topic... at a time.
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Wed Sep 29 07:54:58 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:54:58 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTim+r4U2aNP7-ffjy4sw6eor1zY1HK4cDZyb2dxh@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>
	<6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>
	<AANLkTimy+PX=yzwfbd68VkuOSNi5S5Akh2VxBa-ODTWX@mail.gmail.com>
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I really expected more from dual-presenters.

They should fork themselves.

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Phillip Smith <
> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 2010-09-29, at 10:36 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>>
>> > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Phillip Smith <
>> phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> > Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector, or
>> presenting technology at all? Or are these talks literally "talks," without
>> visual aids?
>> >
>> > Most presentations usually have a few slides,
>> > ... some have had audio
>> > and others have been limited to 'creative hand-waving'.
>>
>> I like hand-waving. That works for me.   :)  Are we presenting from our
>> laptop, or from a projector? I.e., are the lightening talks simultaneous
>> (aka "Speed Geek" [1] style) or one after another to the entire room?
>>
>
> A projector. is usually available,
>
> And no, there are not simultaneous.  That would be too hard to listen to.
> (Sometimes I have trouble focusing on one thing at a time let alone 12!)
> And besides... those presenters that are giving TWO talks would have
> great difficulty giving them both at the same time!
>
> So... they are presented serially.
>
> ... one presenter... one projector... one topic... at a time.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From stuart at morungos.com  Wed Sep 29 07:59:14 2010
From: stuart at morungos.com (Stuart Watt)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 10:59:14 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTintN7fFjxCT5dBtQww6Q9bGgE2OTQ=1XAdUFxnX@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>	<6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>	<AANLkTimy+PX=yzwfbd68VkuOSNi5S5Akh2VxBa-ODTWX@mail.gmail.com>	<92749EE2-7652-43D8-BA39-7F048A8DA7DD@communitybandwidth.ca>	<AANLkTim+r4U2aNP7-ffjy4sw6eor1zY1HK4cDZyb2dxh@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4CA35442.8070808@morungos.com>

  I tried it with:

sub present {
   fork();
   present();
}

Something didn't work. I wonder what...

--S


On 9/29/2010 10:54 AM, Dave Doyle wrote:
> I really expected more from dual-presenters.
>
> They should fork themselves.
>
> --
> dave.s.doyle at gmail.com <mailto:dave.s.doyle at gmail.com>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com 
> <mailto:fulko.hew at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
>
>     On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Phillip Smith
>     <phillip at communitybandwidth.ca
>     <mailto:phillip at communitybandwidth.ca>> wrote:
>
>
>         On 2010-09-29, at 10:36 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:
>
>         > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Phillip Smith
>         <phillip at communitybandwidth.ca
>         <mailto:phillip at communitybandwidth.ca>> wrote:
>         >
>         > Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector,
>         or presenting technology at all? Or are these talks literally
>         "talks," without visual aids?
>         >
>         > Most presentations usually have a few slides,
>         > ... some have had audio
>         > and others have been limited to 'creative hand-waving'.
>
>         I like hand-waving. That works for me.   :)  Are we presenting
>         from our laptop, or from a projector? I.e., are the lightening
>         talks simultaneous (aka "Speed Geek" [1] style) or one after
>         another to the entire room?
>
>
>     A projector. is usually available,
>
>     And no, there are not simultaneous.  That would be too hard to
>     listen to.
>     (Sometimes I have trouble focusing on one thing at a time let
>     alone 12!)
>     And besides... those presenters that are giving TWO talks would have
>     great difficulty giving them both at the same time!
>
>     So... they are presented serially.
>
>     ... one presenter... one projector... one topic... at a time.
>
>
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     toronto-pm mailing list
>     toronto-pm at pm.org <mailto:toronto-pm at pm.org>
>     http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
>
>
>
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From indy at indigostar.com  Wed Sep 29 08:21:48 2010
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:21:48 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
References: <mailman.35.1285700441.8395.toronto-pm@pm.org>	<6925BB0A-26EB-427F-9B88-1810E71C47DD@communitybandwidth.ca>	<AANLkTimy+PX=yzwfbd68VkuOSNi5S5Akh2VxBa-ODTWX@mail.gmail.com>	<92749EE2-7652-43D8-BA39-7F048A8DA7DD@communitybandwidth.ca>	<AANLkTim+r4U2aNP7-ffjy4sw6eor1zY1HK4cDZyb2dxh@mail.gmail.com><AANLkTintN7fFjxCT5dBtQww6Q9bGgE2OTQ=1XAdUFxnX@mail.gmail.com>
	<4CA35442.8070808@morungos.com>
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Here is the Monty Python fix.  The slides can be found here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anwy2MPT5RE

present();
sub present {
  print "Spam ";
  sleep 1;
  fork();
  present();
}


----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Stuart Watt 
  To: toronto-pm at pm.org 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 29, 2010 10:59 AM
  Subject: Re: [tpm] Re :lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010


  I tried it with:

  sub present {
    fork();
    present();
  }

  Something didn't work. I wonder what...

  --S


  On 9/29/2010 10:54 AM, Dave Doyle wrote: 
    I really expected more from dual-presenters.


    They should fork themselves.


    --
    dave.s.doyle at gmail.com



    On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:




      On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:41 AM, Phillip Smith <phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:


        On 2010-09-29, at 10:36 AM, Fulko Hew wrote:

        > On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 10:29 AM, Phillip Smith <phillip at communitybandwidth.ca> wrote:
        >
        > Do presenters need to worry about connecting to a projector, or presenting technology at all? Or are these talks literally "talks," without visual aids?
        >
        > Most presentations usually have a few slides,
        > ... some have had audio
        > and others have been limited to 'creative hand-waving'.


        I like hand-waving. That works for me.   :)  Are we presenting from our laptop, or from a projector? I.e., are the lightening talks simultaneous (aka "Speed Geek" [1] style) or one after another to the entire room?


      A projector. is usually available,

      And no, there are not simultaneous.  That would be too hard to listen to.
      (Sometimes I have trouble focusing on one thing at a time let alone 12!)
      And besides... those presenters that are giving TWO talks would have
      great difficulty giving them both at the same time!

      So... they are presented serially.

      ... one presenter... one projector... one topic... at a time.




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From jbl at jbldata.com  Wed Sep 29 08:59:54 2010
From: jbl at jbldata.com (J. Bobby Lopez)
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 11:59:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Fwd: lightning talks - 30 *September* 2010
In-Reply-To: <5173312E-E970-4D44-AEE7-A1E9DF3F713B@stok.ca>
References: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>
	<5173312E-E970-4D44-AEE7-A1E9DF3F713B@stok.ca>
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Some interesting talks lined up; hope I can make it out tomorrow night.

On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:45 AM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

> My announcement from earlier today had the wrong month in the subject line.
>  The lightning talks are this this Thursday - 30 September.
>
> Mike
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> > From: Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> > Date: September 28, 2010 8:54:48 AM EDT
> > To: TPM PerlMongers <tpm at to.pm.org>
> > Subject: lightning talks - 30 October 2010
> >
> > See http://to.pm.org for more details.
> >
> > Date: Thu 30 Sep 2010 18:45 EDT
> > Venue: Nexient, Classroom E (5), 12th Floor
> > Topic: Lightning Talks
> > Emcee: Fulko Hew
> > Synopsis:
> > Short, 5 to 15 minute talks from a variety of people, on any subject as
> long as it's got at least a tangent to Perl.
> >
> > The order of talks listed here does not imply any order of presentation.
> >
> > Fulko Hew: Render On Caesar
> >
> > Mike Stok: Don't Quote Me On That
> >
> > Scott Elcomb: Perl & Android - Getting GUI
> > Recently the Android Scripting Environment (ASE) was renamed Scripting
> Layer 4 Android. The second release (SL4A r1) was just posted a couple days
> ago which address several issues from my talk a couple months back -
> including packaging scripts for distribution on the Android Market and
> creating GUI's with a WebView.
> >
> > Scott Elcomb: Pirate Party of Canada - One year on
> > Last year I described a bit about the Pirate Party of Canada and we had
> some short discussion on IP & Privacy matters. There's been a lot of
> activity in the last year and I'd be happy to talk a bit about what we've
> been up to.
> >
> > Alan Rocker: Whats new in Perl 5.10 and 5.12
> >
> > Olaf Alders: Getting Started with Dist::Zilla
> >
> > Olaf Alders: Mangling CPAN with Plack::App::Proxy
> >
> > Tom Legrady: Lightning Perl 6
> >
> > Dave Doyle: Digging into CPAN
> >
> > Phillip Smith: "Bricolage for dummies"
> >
> > James E Keenan: Where Do C Programmers Come From?
> >
> > James E Keenan: Wha' Do We Ain't Got?
> >
> > Location: 2 Bloor Street West, (usually) 8th or 16th floor. The room
> number will be announced on the mailing list a few days before the meeting.
> It will also be left with the security desk in the building (main floor
> lobby) shortly before the meeting starts (i.e. around 6pm).
> >
> > Time: 6:45 p.m.
> >
> > Directions: This building is on the north-west corner of Bloor and Yonge,
> accessible by subway from Bloor station. Pay parking is also ample in this
> area.
> >
> > Security note: The elevators in the building are "locked down" after
> 5:30pm             to people without building access cards. Leading up to
> the meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every few minutes
> to ferry people upstairs. There will be a number of scheduled trips:
> >
> >       ? 17:30
> >       ? 18:00
> >       ? 18:30
> >       ? 18:45
> >       ? 19:00
> >
> > After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via a cell phone
> number that we'll leave with security in the front lobby. The room and floor
> numbers will be left with security too.
> >
> > If any latecomers call up there will be a final group elevator run at
> 19:10. After that, access will be ad-hoc; call up from security and somebody
> will try to come down and let you up.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> > http://www.stok.ca/~mike/ <http://www.stok.ca/%7Emike/>
> >
> > The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/ <http://www.stok.ca/%7Emike/>
>
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
>
>
>
>
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From dave.s.doyle at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 05:19:45 2010
From: dave.s.doyle at gmail.com (Dave Doyle)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 08:19:45 -0400
Subject: [tpm] lightning talks - 30 October 2010
In-Reply-To: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>
References: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <AANLkTin-bkNiCOs0yYM9no6S+hi4uhgMHsgJP511DaGj@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Regrettably, I've been laid up with a really nasty hacking cough cold and
won't be able to make it out tonight.  My sincere apologies.  If desired, I
can tack my talk onto the beginning or end of next month's presenter.

This totally sucks as I was looking forward to the talks. :(  Please post
slides!

D

--
dave.s.doyle at gmail.com


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 8:54 AM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

> See http://to.pm.org for more details.
>
> Date: Thu 30 Sep 2010 18:45 EDT
> Venue: Nexient, Classroom E (5), 12th Floor
> Topic: Lightning Talks
> Emcee: Fulko Hew
> Synopsis:
> Short, 5 to 15 minute talks from a variety of people, on any subject as
> long as it's got at least a tangent to Perl.
>
> The order of talks listed here does not imply any order of presentation.
>
> Fulko Hew: Render On Caesar
>
> Mike Stok: Don't Quote Me On That
>
> Scott Elcomb: Perl & Android - Getting GUI
> Recently the Android Scripting Environment (ASE) was renamed Scripting
> Layer 4 Android. The second release (SL4A r1) was just posted a couple days
> ago which address several issues from my talk a couple months back -
> including packaging scripts for distribution on the Android Market and
> creating GUI's with a WebView.
>
> Scott Elcomb: Pirate Party of Canada - One year on
> Last year I described a bit about the Pirate Party of Canada and we had
> some short discussion on IP & Privacy matters. There's been a lot of
> activity in the last year and I'd be happy to talk a bit about what we've
> been up to.
>
> Alan Rocker: Whats new in Perl 5.10 and 5.12
>
> Olaf Alders: Getting Started with Dist::Zilla
>
> Olaf Alders: Mangling CPAN with Plack::App::Proxy
>
> Tom Legrady: Lightning Perl 6
>
> Dave Doyle: Digging into CPAN
>
> Phillip Smith: "Bricolage for dummies"
>
> James E Keenan: Where Do C Programmers Come From?
>
> James E Keenan: Wha' Do We Ain't Got?
>
> Location: 2 Bloor Street West, (usually) 8th or 16th floor. The room number
> will be announced on the mailing list a few days before the meeting. It will
> also be left with the security desk in the building (main floor lobby)
> shortly before the meeting starts (i.e. around 6pm).
>
> Time: 6:45 p.m.
>
> Directions: This building is on the north-west corner of Bloor and Yonge,
> accessible by subway from Bloor station. Pay parking is also ample in this
> area.
>
> Security note: The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm
>             to people without building access cards. Leading up to the
> meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every few minutes to
> ferry people upstairs. There will be a number of scheduled trips:
>
>        ? 17:30
>        ? 18:00
>        ? 18:30
>        ? 18:45
>        ? 19:00
>
> After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via a cell phone
> number that we'll leave with security in the front lobby. The room and floor
> numbers will be left with security too.
>
> If any latecomers call up there will be a final group elevator run at
> 19:10. After that, access will be ad-hoc; call up from security and somebody
> will try to come down and let you up.
>
> --
>
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/
>
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
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From mike at stok.ca  Thu Sep 30 08:34:07 2010
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 11:34:07 -0400
Subject: [tpm] October meeting speaker(s) wanted
Message-ID: <633B102B-5911-4FC6-B234-4EACF74481A3@stok.ca>

I am out of stand-bys for the October meeting.  Dave Doyle will have his postponed lightning talk, so I'm looking for a few good people to step forward with something as the main attraction for October.

Some of the things Boston.pm have on their potentials list are:

  - "Dtracing Perl"
  - debate inside out objects and various Class modules
  - deeper exploration of 5.12 and Modern/Enlighten Perl?
  - our standing default topic is now Config::Std workshop.
  - Your YAPC/PPW/... presentation rehearsal or reprise

If this helps any of you think of something to present in October or November them please let me know.

I'll add a "possible topics" page to the tpm web site to record stuff like this.

Mike

-- 

Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
http://www.stok.ca/~mike/

The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.





From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 16:27:40 2010
From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:27:40 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Html to PDF
In-Reply-To: <5173312E-E970-4D44-AEE7-A1E9DF3F713B@stok.ca>
References: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>
	<5173312E-E970-4D44-AEE7-A1E9DF3F713B@stok.ca>
Message-ID: <DD50CC6E-DBE6-438F-A3EF-31B08D44787C@gmail.com>

A quick search found this:

http://search.cpan.org/~autrijus/PDF-FromHTML-0.12/lib/PDF/FromHTML.pm

==> sent from my mobile device <==

From quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 16:27:40 2010
From: quantum.mechanic.1964 at gmail.com (Quantum Mechanic)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 19:27:40 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Html to PDF
In-Reply-To: <5173312E-E970-4D44-AEE7-A1E9DF3F713B@stok.ca>
References: <DE61B5DD-CFF7-48E1-BCFA-BB1859921CF0@stok.ca>
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A quick search found this:

http://search.cpan.org/~autrijus/PDF-FromHTML-0.12/lib/PDF/FromHTML.pm

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From legrady at gmail.com  Thu Sep 30 20:18:16 2010
From: legrady at gmail.com (Tom Legrady)
Date: Thu, 30 Sep 2010 23:18:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] October meeting speaker(s) wanted
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I can fill a few minutes reporting on Pittburgh

On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 11:34 AM, Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca> wrote:

> I am out of stand-bys for the October meeting.  Dave Doyle will have his
> postponed lightning talk, so I'm looking for a few good people to step
> forward with something as the main attraction for October.
>
> Some of the things Boston.pm have on their potentials list are:
>
>  - "Dtracing Perl"
>  - debate inside out objects and various Class modules
>  - deeper exploration of 5.12 and Modern/Enlighten Perl?
>  - our standing default topic is now Config::Std workshop.
>  - Your YAPC/PPW/... presentation rehearsal or reprise
>
> If this helps any of you think of something to present in October or
> November them please let me know.
>
> I'll add a "possible topics" page to the tpm web site to record stuff like
> this.
>
> Mike
>
> --
>
> Mike Stok <mike at stok.ca>
> http://www.stok.ca/~mike/ <http://www.stok.ca/%7Emike/>
>
> The "`Stok' disclaimers" apply.
>
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