From uri at stemsystems.com  Wed Apr  2 12:42:54 2008
From: uri at stemsystems.com (Uri Guttman)
Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2008 14:42:54 -0500
Subject: [tpm] perl training deadline
Message-ID: <x7prt86o1t.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>


the perl college is scheduled for april 28 - may 2. if you plan to
participate please submit your student or sponsorship application
soon. there are still a few slots open for students and sponsors as well
as training seats that can be purchased.

this is a week of intermediate perl classes taught by damian conway, the
foremost perl trainer on the planet.

it is FREE to qualified students who are looking to go from a junior
developer to the intermediate level. this is meant to train you up so
that you are more likely to be hired in a better perl job. see this page
on how to apply for a free seat at the perl college:

	http://perlhunter.com/students.html

if you are a company looking to hire qualified perl developers, please
apply to be a sponsor of the perl college. this will gain you access to
about 20 well trained developers who are actively looking to take the
next step in their perl career. the placement fees for students
graduating the perl college are negotiable. for information on how to be
a sponsor see this page:

	http://perlhunter.com/sponsors.html

if you are already working and would like to attend this week of perl
classes, you can buy a seat for $3000. please contact me at uri AT
perlhunter.com to purchase a seat or to ask me any questions.

thanx,

uri, dean of the perl college.


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From ssingh at messagelabs.com  Mon Apr  7 06:22:50 2008
From: ssingh at messagelabs.com (Sravanthi Singh)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 14:22:50 +0100
Subject: [tpm] toronto-pm Digest, Vol 12, Issue 17
References: <mailman.4547.1206816198.19430.toronto-pm@pm.org>
Message-ID: <8ADCB30A49D07E47A0ACF737CE47773201145879@mltor1exc002.messagelabs.com>


Hello

I am looking for intermediate to expert level training for Perl . Can
some body suggest some good training courses offered in GTA or Toronto
area?  Or is it possible that we can arrange such a training with good
perl trainers?

Thanks
Sravanthi

 

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From arocker at vex.net  Mon Apr  7 14:09:03 2008
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:09:03 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Will the end of this month take us by surprise?
Message-ID: <18232.199.43.183.133.1207602543.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


Or will we have a topic worked out for the meeting?



From rdice at pobox.com  Mon Apr  7 14:16:54 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 17:16:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Will the end of this month take us by surprise?
In-Reply-To: <18232.199.43.183.133.1207602543.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <18232.199.43.183.133.1207602543.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0804071416x7f8a59aexf814cc556abdcb4a@mail.gmail.com>

I can present a "TPF sales pitch" that I prepared (with the help of a few
people on the list!) about 1.5 weeks ago.

On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:09 PM, <arocker at vex.net> wrote:

>
> Or will we have a topic worked out for the meeting?
>
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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Mon Apr  7 15:39:59 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (Adam Prime)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 2008 18:39:59 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Will the end of this month take us by surprise?
In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0804071416x7f8a59aexf814cc556abdcb4a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <18232.199.43.183.133.1207602543.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<5bef4baf0804071416x7f8a59aexf814cc556abdcb4a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47FAA2BF.2050409@utoronto.ca>

I want to see the finished product map at least ;)

Richard Dice wrote:
> I can present a "TPF sales pitch" that I prepared (with the help of a 
> few people on the list!) about 1.5 weeks ago.
> 
> On Mon, Apr 7, 2008 at 5:09 PM, <arocker at vex.net 
> <mailto:arocker at vex.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Or will we have a topic worked out for the meeting?
> 
> 
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From linux at alteeve.com  Tue Apr  8 02:58:17 2008
From: linux at alteeve.com (Madison Kelly)
Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2008 05:58:17 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Perl Net::DBus Help and Documentation
Message-ID: <47FB41B9.6080403@alteeve.com>

Hi all,

   I wrote the following email to the general DBus mailing list, but 
thought I might cross-post it here. If anyone on TPM is interested in 
this, I was thinking it might make a good TPM talk down the road. Even 
if no one is themselves yet familiar with Net::DBus, you might be 
interested in trying to learn it two? Two heads are better than one, and 
all that. :)

-=-=-=-

   I've been struggling off and on with the Net::DBus bindings for perl.
I've had some success in using existing buses (HAL on system,
specifically). Now though I am trying to have my program's daemon create
a bus and register clients as objects when they connect and provide
basic communication between server-side scripts and clients, via the
daemon process. I've got the client/server communication in place, but I
have not been able to get the DBus portion working.

   In the past, when I have struggled to learn something, I would write
documentation, generally in the form of a *LUG presentation. I would
like to do this for perl's Net::DBus bindings, both as a way to help me
learn DBus better and as a way to contribute a How-To geared more to
perl programmers who are quite new to the DBus concept.

   Would anyone here be interested in helping me with this?

   All I need, more than anything, is help getting the most basic sample
code working, and I can start building on that myself. I would need to
only ask occasional questions when I go stuck. In turn, I would provide
the How-To back to the community.

   Here are links to talks I have given on general storage and
netfiltering with iptables:

(2002) http://tle-bu.org/docs/Talk-TLUG_storage_200205-2.pdf
(2004) http://tle-bu.org/docs/TLE-WhitePaper_Netfilter-v1.1.pdf

   More as an example of my writing style; these are two papers on an
old, deprecated versions of the program I am working on:

(2004) http://tle-bu.org/docs/TLUG-Talk_TLE-BU_2004-10-12.pdf
(2005) http://tle-bu.org/docs/TLUG-Talk_TLE-BU_2005-10-11.pdf

   I think DBus can offer some wonderful potential and I know I would
personally have benefited from a more basic introduction to DBus coding.
This is not in any way to disparage Mr. Berrange's Tutorials! I found
though that they are probably more applicable to people who are already
familiar with DBus and are just looking for info on the perl bindings.

   I hope to supplement Mr. Berrange's docs by creating a document that
will gently easy a perl programmer who is new to DBus entirely into the
Net::DBus bindings. :)

Thanks in advance!

Madison


From phillip at votenader.org  Tue Apr  8 16:16:46 2008
From: phillip at votenader.org (Phillip Smith)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2008 19:16:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Job posting request
Message-ID: <FF72C3BD-36D9-4EC3-BAF7-A2C29EF06BF4@votenader.org>

Hi ho,

Wondering if you could send a note to the DC PUG list about this job  
posting:
http://jobs.perl.org/job/8272

I happen to be working remotely from Toronto (my home town) and would  
consider hiring someone in Toronto for the position.

Many thanks in advance,

Phillip.

--
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Nader for President 2008
P.O. Box 34103
Washington, D.C. 20043
www.votenader.org

Paid for by Nader for President 2008


From rdice at pobox.com  Tue Apr 15 13:07:18 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 16:07:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] we're hiring - Perl OO programmer, sysadmin
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0804151307y2165cac4q1f9fbe839cfb84f5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

My company is growing and we're looking to hire.  We love Perl!  If
you do too then please check out the URL postings, below.

Perl programmer for web applications -
  http://raybec.com/aboutus/perl_programmer.vmx

This isn't about simple Perl or CGI scripts.  We're serious about Perl
programming and large, complicated web applications.  OO Perl
engineers is what we're looking for.

Also, we're looking for a sysadmin.

Unix/Linux Systems administrator / Jr. Perl programmer -
  http://raybec.com/aboutus/sysadmin.vmx

Thanks!  I'm available for any questions.

Cheers,
 - Richard

From arocker at vex.net  Wed Apr 16 15:12:19 2008
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:12:19 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Last Thursday of the month
Message-ID: <11838.199.43.183.133.1208383939.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


Is early this month - the 24th, which is next week. Have we decided what
we're going to do?


From rdice at pobox.com  Wed Apr 16 15:42:46 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:42:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Last Thursday of the month
In-Reply-To: <11838.199.43.183.133.1208383939.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <11838.199.43.183.133.1208383939.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <5bef4baf0804161542u132a8a2cocc1ce4b2c17c3e7c@mail.gmail.com>

AFAIK I was to be presenting the, well, presentation I asked folks on
the list to help out with circa 2.5 weeks ago.

On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:12 PM,  <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
>
>  Is early this month - the 24th, which is next week. Have we decided what
>  we're going to do?
>
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From magog at the-wire.com  Wed Apr 16 15:49:58 2008
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:49:58 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Last Thursday of the month
In-Reply-To: <5bef4baf0804161542u132a8a2cocc1ce4b2c17c3e7c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <11838.199.43.183.133.1208383939.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
	<5bef4baf0804161542u132a8a2cocc1ce4b2c17c3e7c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080416184958.433c0524@caliope>


Okay, I'll send out the announcement.  


Michael



On Wed, 16 Apr 2008 18:42:46 -0400
"Richard Dice" <rdice at pobox.com> wrote:

> AFAIK I was to be presenting the, well, presentation I asked folks on
> the list to help out with circa 2.5 weeks ago.
> 
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 6:12 PM,  <arocker at vex.net> wrote:
> >
> >  Is early this month - the 24th, which is next week. Have we
> > decided what we're going to do?
> >
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:12:18 2008
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:12:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] grabbing 2 input params at a time?
Message-ID: <8204a4fe0804161612w359a11b9j6f846901d429208c@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry, my brain has gone on vacation...

Whats the easiest way to grab two parameters at a time, that were passed
into a subroutine?

ie.

mysub('a', 1, 'b', 2, 'c', 3);

sub mysub {
   while (@_) { push @letters, shift; push @nums, shift; }
}
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From samogon at gmail.com  Wed Apr 16 16:21:02 2008
From: samogon at gmail.com (Ilia Lobsanov)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 19:21:02 -0400
Subject: [tpm] grabbing 2 input params at a time?
In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0804161612w359a11b9j6f846901d429208c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8204a4fe0804161612w359a11b9j6f846901d429208c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E2F302FB-8E2C-4113-84F6-6DBC58149408@gmail.com>

You could also do:

while (my ($letter, $num) = splice @_, 0, 2 ) { push @letters,  
$letter; push @nums, $num; }

less concise, more verbose?

ilia.

On 16-Apr-08, at 7:12 PM, Fulko Hew wrote:

> Sorry, my brain has gone on vacation...
>
> Whats the easiest way to grab two parameters at a time, that were  
> passed
> into a subroutine?
>
> ie.
>
> mysub('a', 1, 'b', 2, 'c', 3);
>
> sub mysub {
>    while (@_) { push @letters, shift; push @nums, shift; }
> }
>
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From Henry.Baragar at instantiated.ca  Wed Apr 16 19:25:00 2008
From: Henry.Baragar at instantiated.ca (Henry Baragar)
Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2008 22:25:00 -0400
Subject: [tpm] grabbing 2 input params at a time?
In-Reply-To: <8204a4fe0804161612w359a11b9j6f846901d429208c@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8204a4fe0804161612w359a11b9j6f846901d429208c@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200804162225.00985.Henry.Baragar@instantiated.ca>

On Wednesday, April 16 2008 07:12 pm, Fulko Hew wrote:
> Sorry, my brain has gone on vacation...
>
> Whats the easiest way to grab two parameters at a time, that were passed
> into a subroutine?
>
> ie.
>
> mysub('a', 1, 'b', 2, 'c', 3);
>
> sub mysub {
>    while (@_) { push @letters, shift; push @nums, shift; }
> }

If order does not matter (and letters are unique):

sub mysub {
    my %map = @_;
    my @letters = keys %map;
    my @nums = values %map;
}

If order does matter:

sub mysub {
   my @letter_indices = map {2 * $_} 0..$#_/2;
   my @number_indices = map {$_ + 1} @letter_indices;
   my @letter = @_[@letter_indices];
   my @number = @_[@number_indices];
}

This is longer, but the intention is more clear (IMHO).

Henry

From gulban at sickkids.ca  Thu Apr 17 13:05:44 2008
From: gulban at sickkids.ca (Omid Gulban)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:05:44 -0400
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
Message-ID: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>

Hello All,

does anyone have a quick way of eliminating certain columns from a tab-delimited file.


the way I approached this problem in the past is by reading a line from the file and splitting the contents based on tabs into an array
and then writing to a new file only the array elements that I needed. 



Thanks
Omid
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From hanker at ifdsgroup.com  Thu Apr 17 13:41:33 2008
From: hanker at ifdsgroup.com (Herman Anker)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:41:33 -0400
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
Message-ID: <OF65D504B0.BF77E54F-ON8525742E.0071AB1F@dstsystems.com>


An awky approach would be:
Awk -f "\" { print $1, "\t",$3.....}'
But then again awk is a unix tool. A gnu windows version can be found on inet.




----- Original Message -----
From: "Omid Gulban" [gulban at sickkids.ca]
Sent: 04/17/2008 04:05 PM
To: "tpm" <tpm at to.pm.org>
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files

Hello All,

does anyone have a quick way of eliminating certain columns from a tab-delimited file.


the way I approached this problem in the past is by reading a line from the file and splitting the contents based on tabs into an array
and then writing to a new file only the array elements that I needed. 



Thanks
Omid
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Thu Apr 17 13:43:05 2008
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:43:05 -0400
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
In-Reply-To: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>
References: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>
Message-ID: <20080417204305.GC30982@sourcery.ca>

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:05:44PM -0400, Omid Gulban wrote:
> does anyone have a quick way of eliminating certain columns from a tab-delimited file.

I know it's not very Perl'ish, but have you considered using `awk`?
We all love Perl, but sometimes it's overkill. Beyond that, unless
you're experiencing performance issues, I don't see any reason not
to do it the way you described.

Cheers,
--
    Shaun Fryer
    cl: 905-920-9209

From andy+lists at veracity.ca  Thu Apr 17 14:12:46 2008
From: andy+lists at veracity.ca (Andy Jack)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 17:12:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
In-Reply-To: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>
References: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>
Message-ID: <20080417211246.GI2977@seahorse.localdomain>

On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:05:44PM -0400, Omid Gulban wrote:
> does anyone have a quick way of eliminating certain columns from a tab-delimited file.

Another command in the non-perl unix tools vibe, try 'cut':

cut -f1,3-6,9 < myfile > myfile2

grabs columns 1,3,4,5,6,9 from myfile and puts them in myfile2

Andy

From alexmac131 at hotmail.com  Fri Apr 18 03:45:46 2008
From: alexmac131 at hotmail.com (Alex Mackinnon)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:45:46 +0000
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
In-Reply-To: <20080417204305.GC30982@sourcery.ca>
References: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>
	<20080417204305.GC30982@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <BAY135-W5689A2ED3733A205E925B183E40@phx.gbl>

Sinner!  
 
I agree use awk but in Perl use split and take a slice of the array.
($firstcolumn, $tenth) = (split (/\t/, $string_with_tab))[0,9];
 
 



> Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:43:05 -0400> From: sfryer at sourcery.ca> To: tpm at to.pm.org> Subject: Re: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:05:44PM -0400, Omid Gulban wrote:> > does anyone have a quick way of eliminating certain columns from a tab-delimited file.> > I know it's not very Perl'ish, but have you considered using `awk`?> We all love Perl, but sometimes it's overkill. Beyond that, unless> you're experiencing performance issues, I don't see any reason not> to do it the way you described.> > Cheers,> --> Shaun Fryer> cl: 905-920-9209> _______________________________________________> toronto-pm mailing list> toronto-pm at pm.org> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From mike at stok.ca  Fri Apr 18 04:29:59 2008
From: mike at stok.ca (Mike Stok)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 07:29:59 -0400
Subject: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
In-Reply-To: <BAY135-W5689A2ED3733A205E925B183E40@phx.gbl>
References: <001001c8a0c6$6e8ad460$1ecf148e@tds40643>
	<20080417204305.GC30982@sourcery.ca>
	<BAY135-W5689A2ED3733A205E925B183E40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <84DB7582-1BA5-43EF-91B9-DF3310159D04@stok.ca>


On 18-Apr-08, at 6:45 AM, Alex Mackinnon wrote:

> Sinner!
>
> I agree use awk but in Perl use split and take a slice of the array.
> ($firstcolumn, $tenth) = (split (/\t/, $string_with_tab))[0,9];

If you want to do this then beware of split's behaviour of eliminating  
empty fields on the right, if undef vs '' matter to you:

   DB<1> $s = "1\t2\t\t4\t\t\t7\t\t\t\t\t\t"

   DB<2> x (split /\t/, $s)[0, 9]
0  1
1  undef
   DB<3> x (split /\t/, $s, -1)[0, 9]
0  1
1  ''



>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2008 16:43:05 -0400
> > From: sfryer at sourcery.ca
> > To: tpm at to.pm.org
> > Subject: Re: [tpm] eliminating columns from tab delimited files
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 17, 2008 at 04:05:44PM -0400, Omid Gulban wrote:
> > > does anyone have a quick way of eliminating certain columns from  
> a tab-delimited file.
> >
> > I know it's not very Perl'ish, but have you considered using `awk`?
> > We all love Perl, but sometimes it's overkill. Beyond that, unless
> > you're experiencing performance issues, I don't see any reason not
> > to do it the way you described.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> > Shaun Fryer
> > cl: 905-920-9209
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From ssingh at messagelabs.com  Fri Apr 18 07:23:10 2008
From: ssingh at messagelabs.com (Sravanthi Singh)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:23:10 +0100
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
Message-ID: <8ADCB30A49D07E47A0ACF737CE4777320114590F@mltor1exc002.messagelabs.com>

Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?

Thanks
Sravanthi

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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 18 07:38:13 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:38:13 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How  
to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do  
you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do  
fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters  
in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.

Adam

Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
>
> Thanks
> Sravanthi
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From mfowle at navicominc.com  Fri Apr 18 07:48:18 2008
From: mfowle at navicominc.com (Mark Fowle)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:48:18 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
know.

1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.

Guessing that there are 2 or 3 ways to run application in mod_perl what
are the trade offs for each. And how does the code need to be changed
for each.


Given my knowledge of mod Perl is very minimal this may also be too
large a request for one evening.

Mark.

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That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How  
to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do  
you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do  
fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters  
in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.

Adam

Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
>
> Thanks
> Sravanthi
>
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From vilerichard at vilerichard.com  Fri Apr 18 07:47:34 2008
From: vilerichard at vilerichard.com (Olaf Alders)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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I'd be interested in this as well.  Personally, I'd like to hear about
writing custom handlers to do fancy things.

Olaf

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 adam.prime at utoronto.ca wrote:

> That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How
> to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do
> you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do
> fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters
> in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.
>
> Adam
>
> Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:
>
> > Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sravanthi
> >
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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 08:31:26 2008
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com> wrote:

> I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> know.
>
> 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.


Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)
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From magog at the-wire.com  Fri Apr 18 08:36:25 2008
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:36:25 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
"Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> > know.
> >
> > 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.
> 
> 
> Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)

Or PersistentPerl.  Although that's an easy one - change:

    #!/usr/bin/perl

to

    #!/usr/bin/perperl


Michael




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From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 08:29:55 2008
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:29:55 -0400
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>
wrote:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?


Hijacking this thread...

Can we have a talk on simple AJAX in Perl?
I know Kees gave us a talk, but I'm just wanting to do simple RPC
and something like dynamically updating a table, or portion of a screen.

I must be stupid, but I've hit a bump in the learning curve.
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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 18 08:55:06 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:06 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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Quoting Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
> "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)
>
> Or PersistentPerl.  Although that's an easy one - change:
>
>     #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> to
>
>     #!/usr/bin/perperl
>
> Michael

I don't know anything about either of these, but if some one does i'm  
up for hearing about them too.


From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 18 08:56:53 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:56:53 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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Quoting Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>:

> I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> know.
>
> 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.
>
> Guessing that there are 2 or 3 ways to run application in mod_perl what
> are the trade offs for each. And how does the code need to be changed
> for each.
>
> Given my knowledge of mod Perl is very minimal this may also be too
> large a request for one evening.

This would probably fall together fairly easily into a getting started  
with mod_perl kind of talk, which i've seen gozer give a bunch of  
times at YAPC and ApacheCon.  He's got his slides online here:

http://gozer.ectoplasm.org/Talks/talks.html

gozer = Philippe Chaisson who is one of the core mod_perl development guys.

I could probably go through gozers slides if people wanted to do that.

Adam



From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 18 08:58:48 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:58:48 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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I could probably be persuaded to do a try putting together a talk  
about some neat things you can do in mp2, I just can't be sure that it  
won't bore you all to tears and/or be impossible to follow.

Adam

Quoting Olaf Alders <vilerichard at vilerichard.com>:

> I'd be interested in this as well.  Personally, I'd like to hear about
> writing custom handlers to do fancy things.
>
> Olaf
>



From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 18 09:06:26 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:06:26 -0400
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
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Quoting Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com>:

> Hijacking this thread...
>
> Can we have a talk on simple AJAX in Perl?
> I know Kees gave us a talk, but I'm just wanting to do simple RPC
> and something like dynamically updating a table, or portion of a screen.
>
> I must be stupid, but I've hit a bump in the learning curve.

The server side of AJAX isn't really that much different than the  
server side of CGI really.  you just take a request and compose a  
response.  Depending on what javascript library you are using (if you  
are using one at all) will determine what your page generates.  It  
could be XML, it could be html, it could be JSON, it could be anything.

The "hard" (or potentially hard) part is the javascript, but most of  
the ajax i've written was for the mootools library, and the actual JS  
boils down to this:

new Ajax(url, {
     method: 'get',
     update: $('replace_me')
}).request();

Which just fetches the URL 'url', and stuffs whatever it gets back  
from that URL into the element with the ID replace_me.  Obviously this  
is a pretty simple example of ajax, but it's a start.

Adam



From ssingh at messagelabs.com  Fri Apr 18 09:38:23 2008
From: ssingh at messagelabs.com (Sravanthi Singh)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:38:23 +0100
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 What I had in mind was a beginner level session to understand how
mod_perl can be used at a beginner level to start with. I dont mind
streching it to more than one meeting.

Thanks
Sravanthi
 

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   5. Re: mod_perl (Fulko Hew)
   6. Re: mod_perl (Michael Graham)
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Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?

Thanks
Sravanthi

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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:38:13 -0400
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That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How  
to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do  
you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do  
fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters  
in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.

Adam

Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
>
> Thanks
> Sravanthi
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:48:18 -0400
From: "Mark Fowle" <mfowle at navicominc.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: <adam.prime at utoronto.ca>, <toronto-pm at pm.org>
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I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
know.

1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.

Guessing that there are 2 or 3 ways to run application in mod_perl what
are the trade offs for each. And how does the code need to be changed
for each.


Given my knowledge of mod Perl is very minimal this may also be too
large a request for one evening.

Mark.

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Sent: Friday, April 18, 2008 10:38 AM
To: toronto-pm at pm.org
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl

That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How  
to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do  
you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do  
fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters  
in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.

Adam

Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
>
> Thanks
> Sravanthi
>
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Olaf Alders <vilerichard at vilerichard.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: adam.prime at utoronto.ca
Cc: toronto-pm at pm.org
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I'd be interested in this as well.  Personally, I'd like to hear about
writing custom handlers to do fancy things.

Olaf

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 adam.prime at utoronto.ca wrote:

> That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How
> to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do
> you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do
> fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters
> in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.
>
> Adam
>
> Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:
>
> > Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sravanthi
> >
> >
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
From: "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: "Mark Fowle" <mfowle at navicominc.com>
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
wrote:

> I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> know.
>
> 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.


Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:36:25 -0400
From: Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
"Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> > know.
> >
> > 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.
> 
> 
> Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)

Or PersistentPerl.  Although that's an easy one - change:

    #!/usr/bin/perl

to

    #!/usr/bin/perperl


Michael




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:29:55 -0400
From: "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com>
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
To: toronto-pm at pm.org
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Sravanthi Singh
<ssingh at messagelabs.com>
wrote:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?


Hijacking this thread...

Can we have a talk on simple AJAX in Perl?
I know Kees gave us a talk, but I'm just wanting to do simple RPC
and something like dynamically updating a table, or portion of a screen.

I must be stupid, but I've hit a bump in the learning curve.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:06 -0400
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
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Quoting Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
> "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)
>
> Or PersistentPerl.  Although that's an easy one - change:
>
>     #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> to
>
>     #!/usr/bin/perperl
>
> Michael

I don't know anything about either of these, but if some one does i'm  
up for hearing about them too.



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:56:53 -0400
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
Cc: toronto-pm at pm.org
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Quoting Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>:

> I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> know.
>
> 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.
>
> Guessing that there are 2 or 3 ways to run application in mod_perl
what
> are the trade offs for each. And how does the code need to be changed
> for each.
>
> Given my knowledge of mod Perl is very minimal this may also be too
> large a request for one evening.

This would probably fall together fairly easily into a getting started  
with mod_perl kind of talk, which i've seen gozer give a bunch of  
times at YAPC and ApacheCon.  He's got his slides online here:

http://gozer.ectoplasm.org/Talks/talks.html

gozer = Philippe Chaisson who is one of the core mod_perl development
guys.

I could probably go through gozers slides if people wanted to do that.

Adam




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From ssingh at messagelabs.com  Fri Apr 18 09:48:17 2008
From: ssingh at messagelabs.com (Sravanthi Singh)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 17:48:17 +0100
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Adam, I am in for the slides from Philippe Chaisson .

Thanks
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Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?

Thanks
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:38:13 -0400
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That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How  
to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do  
you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do  
fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters  
in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.

Adam

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> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
>
> Thanks
> Sravanthi
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 10:48:18 -0400
From: "Mark Fowle" <mfowle at navicominc.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
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I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
know.

1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.

Guessing that there are 2 or 3 ways to run application in mod_perl what
are the trade offs for each. And how does the code need to be changed
for each.


Given my knowledge of mod Perl is very minimal this may also be too
large a request for one evening.

Mark.

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That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How  
to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do  
you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do  
fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters  
in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.

Adam

Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
>
> Thanks
> Sravanthi
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT)
From: Olaf Alders <vilerichard at vilerichard.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: adam.prime at utoronto.ca
Cc: toronto-pm at pm.org
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I'd be interested in this as well.  Personally, I'd like to hear about
writing custom handlers to do fancy things.

Olaf

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 adam.prime at utoronto.ca wrote:

> That's an extremely broad topic.  Do you mean how to install it?  How
> to run your normal perl CGI's to run under Registry or PerlRun.  Do
> you mean how to actually use the various Perl*Handler Phases to do
> fancy things.  Do you mean how to write InputFilters or OutputFilters
> in perl.  There's lots of things that could be talked about.
>
> Adam
>
> Quoting Sravanthi Singh <ssingh at messagelabs.com>:
>
> > Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?
> >
> > Thanks
> > Sravanthi
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
From: "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: "Mark Fowle" <mfowle at navicominc.com>
Cc: toronto-pm at pm.org
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
wrote:

> I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> know.
>
> 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.


Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:36:25 -0400
From: Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
"Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:48 AM, Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
> wrote:
> 
> > I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> > know.
> >
> > 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.
> 
> 
> Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)

Or PersistentPerl.  Although that's an easy one - change:

    #!/usr/bin/perl

to

    #!/usr/bin/perperl


Michael




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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:29:55 -0400
From: "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com>
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
To: toronto-pm at pm.org
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 10:23 AM, Sravanthi Singh
<ssingh at messagelabs.com>
wrote:

> Can we have talk on using mod_perl in the upcoming talks?


Hijacking this thread...

Can we have a talk on simple AJAX in Perl?
I know Kees gave us a talk, but I'm just wanting to do simple RPC
and something like dynamically updating a table, or portion of a screen.

I must be stupid, but I've hit a bump in the learning curve.
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Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:55:06 -0400
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: toronto-pm at pm.org
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Quoting Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>:

> On Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:31:26 -0400
> "Fulko Hew" <fulko.hew at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Or for that matter... FastCGI (as an alternative)
>
> Or PersistentPerl.  Although that's an easy one - change:
>
>     #!/usr/bin/perl
>
> to
>
>     #!/usr/bin/perperl
>
> Michael

I don't know anything about either of these, but if some one does i'm  
up for hearing about them too.



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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:56:53 -0400
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca
Subject: Re: [tpm] mod_perl
To: Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>
Cc: toronto-pm at pm.org
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Quoting Mark Fowle <mfowle at navicominc.com>:

> I'd be interested in a mod_perl talk also, so here is what I want to
> know.
>
> 1. how do I change a preexisting application to run under mod_perl.
>
> Guessing that there are 2 or 3 ways to run application in mod_perl
what
> are the trade offs for each. And how does the code need to be changed
> for each.
>
> Given my knowledge of mod Perl is very minimal this may also be too
> large a request for one evening.

This would probably fall together fairly easily into a getting started  
with mod_perl kind of talk, which i've seen gozer give a bunch of  
times at YAPC and ApacheCon.  He's got his slides online here:

http://gozer.ectoplasm.org/Talks/talks.html

gozer = Philippe Chaisson who is one of the core mod_perl development
guys.

I could probably go through gozers slides if people wanted to do that.

Adam




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From rdice at pobox.com  Fri Apr 18 09:52:46 2008
From: rdice at pobox.com (Richard Dice)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 12:52:46 -0400
Subject: [tpm] mod_perl
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I think that would be pretty cool.  I gave a talk on mod_perl maybe 5-6
years ago that was a 3 hour showstopper but things have changed  fair bit
since then.

Cheers,
 - Richard

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:58 AM, <adam.prime at utoronto.ca> wrote:

> I could probably be persuaded to do a try putting together a talk
> about some neat things you can do in mp2, I just can't be sure that it
> won't bore you all to tears and/or be impossible to follow.
>
> Adam
>
> Quoting Olaf Alders <vilerichard at vilerichard.com>:
>
> > I'd be interested in this as well.  Personally, I'd like to hear about
> > writing custom handlers to do fancy things.
> >
> > Olaf
> >
>
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From indy at indigostar.com  Fri Apr 18 08:14:16 2008
From: indy at indigostar.com (Indy Singh)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 11:14:16 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Using mod_perl
References: <x7prt86o1t.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
Message-ID: <021201c8a166$de666dd0$6600a8c0@roadhog>

Hi everybody,

While we are on the topic here are some questions I have about mod_perl.

I am porting a CGI script to mod_perl, mostly the porting is transparent
however I have a couple of questions.


1) Multiple apache/mod_perl instances
After making a change to the script and pressing refresh in the browser,
sometime the script works sometimes it gives an error.  I know from past
experience that the browser requests will be processed by one of several
apache instances.  How do you force all mod_perl instances to reset
everything and start with a fresh instance?  Is it enough just to update
the script source?  If I update the source code, will all the apache
instances reload the script?

2) Browser caching
When I fetch a result page by clicking on a link, the browser could
decide to redisplay the same (out-of-date) output as the last time the
page was fetched.  How do you get the browser to fetch a new result each
time?  Does it happen automaticy if the script output does not contain a
date header?

3) Caching of database handles.
I am assuming that in my script I can cache a mysql database handle and
thus avoid a new database connection, however what happens if the
database connection has been abandoned by the database server? I don't
know if such a thing is possible, but I trying to program defensively.
I am thinking that at some point for whatever reason the database server
droped the connection, but the mod_perl script does not know about it.
The script tries to uses the old database handle and will fail.  Would a
good way to handle that be to display an error message to the browser
and close the database connection (just in case it is still open) and
then set the database handle to undef?


Indy Singh
IndigoSTAR Software -- www.indigostar.com


From fulko.hew at gmail.com  Fri Apr 18 10:05:34 2008
From: fulko.hew at gmail.com (Fulko Hew)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:05:34 -0400
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:06 PM, <adam.prime at utoronto.ca> wrote:

> Quoting Fulko Hew <fulko.hew at gmail.com>:
>
> > Hijacking this thread...
> >
> > Can we have a talk on simple AJAX in Perl?
> > I know Kees gave us a talk, but I'm just wanting to do simple RPC
> > and something like dynamically updating a table, or portion of a screen.
> >
> > I must be stupid, but I've hit a bump in the learning curve.
>
> The server side of AJAX isn't really that much different than the
> server side of CGI really.  you just take a request and compose a
> response.  Depending on what javascript library you are using (if you
> are using one at all) will determine what your page generates.  It
> could be XML, it could be html, it could be JSON, it could be anything.
>
> The "hard" (or potentially hard) part is the javascript, but most of
> the ajax i've written was for the mootools library, and the actual JS
> boils down to this:
>
> new Ajax(url, {
>     method: 'get',
>     update: $('replace_me')
> }).request();
>
> Which just fetches the URL 'url', and stuffs whatever it gets back
> from that URL into the element with the ID replace_me.  Obviously this
> is a pretty simple example of ajax, but it's a start.


Still too high level (abstract)
I like/need something around the 500 foot level, not 10,000 feet.  :-)
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From sfryer at sourcery.ca  Fri Apr 18 10:19:31 2008
From: sfryer at sourcery.ca (Shaun Fryer)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:19:31 -0400
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20080418120626.704av8q4k80g8k8g@webmail.utoronto.ca>
References: <8204a4fe0804180829n16070794i90f7590db5a03a40@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080418120626.704av8q4k80g8k8g@webmail.utoronto.ca>
Message-ID: <20080418171931.GB19864@sourcery.ca>

If you like, you're free to use the following library for Ajax (Utils.httpReq).
I know there are alot of them out there, including Prototype which is widely
used. Mine however, also handles syncronous requests cross-browser, which to
my knowledge no other OSS libraries do.

    http://sourcery.ca/js/Utils.js

Of course any questions can be addressed to me. For pretty small stuff
(<15 mins), I don't mind occasionally helping out with JavaScripting pro-bono.

Cheers,
--
    Shaun Fryer

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:06:26PM -0400, adam.prime at utoronto.ca wrote:
> new Ajax(url, {
>      method: 'get',
>      update: $('replace_me')
> }).request();

From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Fri Apr 18 10:29:59 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 13:29:59 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Using mod_perl
In-Reply-To: <021201c8a166$de666dd0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
References: <x7prt86o1t.fsf@mail.sysarch.com>
	<021201c8a166$de666dd0$6600a8c0@roadhog>
Message-ID: <20080418132959.m2ftjh96jow0ocsg@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Quoting Indy Singh <indy at indigostar.com>:

> 1) Multiple apache/mod_perl instances
> After making a change to the script and pressing refresh in the browser,
> sometime the script works sometimes it gives an error.  I know from past
> experience that the browser requests will be processed by one of several
> apache instances.  How do you force all mod_perl instances to reset
> everything and start with a fresh instance?  Is it enough just to update
> the script source?  If I update the source code, will all the apache
> instances reload the script?

The 100% reliable way to do this is to restart apache.  this works  
under mp1 and mp2.  With stuff running under Registry or PerlRun,  
Apache::Reload, and Apache2::Reload should work, though I personally  
have had some strange experiences with Apache2::Reload and generally  
don't use it anymore.

> 2) Browser caching
> When I fetch a result page by clicking on a link, the browser could
> decide to redisplay the same (out-of-date) output as the last time the
> page was fetched.  How do you get the browser to fetch a new result each
> time?  Does it happen automaticy if the script output does not contain a
> date header?

$r->no_cache(1) will set response headers such that browsers will not  
cache the page.  It's the same in mp1 and mp2.

> 3) Caching of database handles.
> I am assuming that in my script I can cache a mysql database handle and
> thus avoid a new database connection, however what happens if the
> database connection has been abandoned by the database server? I don't
> know if such a thing is possible, but I trying to program defensively.
> I am thinking that at some point for whatever reason the database server
> droped the connection, but the mod_perl script does not know about it.
> The script tries to uses the old database handle and will fail.  Would a
> good way to handle that be to display an error message to the browser
> and close the database connection (just in case it is still open) and
> then set the database handle to undef?

Apache::DBI does this, both under mp1 and mp2.  Apache::DBI runs  
$dbh->ping on handles it has cached, and if the ping fails then it  
creates a new connection (as far as i understand it).  You can't share  
connections between processes, so you'll still end up with multiple  
open connections at any given time, but you won't have to connect and  
disconnect with every request which saves a lot of overhead.

Even if you are using Apache::DBI it's still possible that the  
database will just 'go away' for whatever reason, so you need to build  
checks that your connect calls actually worked, just as you normally  
would.

Adam



From Mashton at 4All.com  Fri Apr 18 12:09:14 2008
From: Mashton at 4All.com (Mike Ashton)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 15:09:14 -0400
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
In-Reply-To: <20080418171931.GB19864@sourcery.ca>
References: <8204a4fe0804180829n16070794i90f7590db5a03a40@mail.gmail.com>	<20080418120626.704av8q4k80g8k8g@webmail.utoronto.ca>
	<20080418171931.GB19864@sourcery.ca>
Message-ID: <4808F1DA.4050406@4All.com>

We're actually in the middle of an ajax project. Like Adam said, the 
server side is pretty much standard cgi, you just basicaly have to 
decide on the data transport method you want to use.

We looked at a lot of  ajax libraries like scriptaculous and a few 
others. But we settled on ExtJS ( extjs.com ), it is a very impressive 
package. The site has a lot of tutorials and demos to help you step 
through the build process. There are none done with perl, but a few do 
with php and ruby so it is easy to extend that into the perl world. They 
also have a very active forum for support or they also do have paid 
support if you really need it or want assistance in a rapid build.

Mike

Shaun Fryer wrote:
> If you like, you're free to use the following library for Ajax (Utils.httpReq).
> I know there are alot of them out there, including Prototype which is widely
> used. Mine however, also handles syncronous requests cross-browser, which to
> my knowledge no other OSS libraries do.
>
>     http://sourcery.ca/js/Utils.js
>
> Of course any questions can be addressed to me. For pretty small stuff
> (<15 mins), I don't mind occasionally helping out with JavaScripting pro-bono.
>
> Cheers,
> --
>     Shaun Fryer
>
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:06:26PM -0400, adam.prime at utoronto.ca wrote:
>   
>> new Ajax(url, {
>>      method: 'get',
>>      update: $('replace_me')
>> }).request();
>>     
> _______________________________________________
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> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
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From magog at the-wire.com  Wed Apr 23 09:14:54 2008
From: magog at the-wire.com (Michael Graham)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2008 12:14:54 -0400
Subject: [tpm] April Meeting Tomorrow (Thu 24 Apr,
 2008) - Richard's TPF Sales Pitch
Message-ID: <20080423121454.39edce9d@caliope>



(These details are also on the TPM web site: http://to.pm.org/)

The next meeting is this Thursday, 24 April (Tomorrow!).

 
    Date:   Thursday 24 Apr 2008

    Time:   6:45pm

   Where:   2 Bloor Street West (NW corner of Yonge/Bloor, skyscraper
            with the CIBC logo on top) Classroom 15 on the 8th floor
  ===================================================================

Description:

    Richard will show us the presentation he made to sell corporate
    types on The Perl Foundation.  Including a "Map of the Perl" created
    in collaboration with Toronto Mongers.



  Note:

    The elevators in the building are "locked down" after 5:30pm
    to people without building access cards.  Leading up to the
    meeting someone will come down to the main floor lobby every
    few minutes to ferry people upstairs.

    After 19:00, you can reach the access-card-carrying guy via
    a cell phone number that we'll leave with security in the
    front lobby.  The room and floor numbers will be left with
    security too.






-- 
Michael Graham <magog at the-wire.com>
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From arocker at vex.net  Fri Apr 25 06:14:51 2008
From: arocker at vex.net (arocker at vex.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2008 09:14:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [tpm] Last night and next month
Message-ID: <19592.199.43.183.133.1209129291.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>


Thanks again to Scott Williams and Nexient, and of course Richard, we had
an interesting meeting last night.

I would like to suggest that, with an appropriate voice-over, posting the
presentation to YouTube would give The Perl Foundation a permanent
"commercial" to which any prospective donor could be directed. We should
have the skills available to produce a professional-quality job.

Is Adam Prime committed to be our speaker for May (29th)?




From shijialeee at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 27 03:12:44 2008
From: shijialeee at yahoo.com (James.Q.L)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 03:12:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [tpm] TPM talk suggestions
In-Reply-To: <4808F1DA.4050406@4All.com>
Message-ID: <80518.71151.qm@web50109.mail.re2.yahoo.com>


--- Mike Ashton <Mashton at 4All.com> wrote:

> We're actually in the middle of an ajax project. Like Adam said, the 
> server side is pretty much standard cgi, you just basicaly have to 
> decide on the data transport method you want to use.
> 
> We looked at a lot of  ajax libraries like scriptaculous and a few 
> others. But we settled on ExtJS ( extjs.com ), it is a very impressive 
> package. The site has a lot of tutorials and demos to help you step 
> through the build process. There are none done with perl, but a few do 
> with php and ruby so it is easy to extend that into the perl world. They 
> also have a very active forum for support or they also do have paid 
> support if you really need it or want assistance in a rapid build.
> 

at work we have used ExtJS and it is excellent js library. the library is rather huge if to use
the full features. our ajax app is for internal use so that's no biggie but i would be hesitate to
use it for a public website because of the huge js download overhead. the basic library without
the fancy features is around 100k though.

> Mike
> 

James.


> Shaun Fryer wrote:
> > If you like, you're free to use the following library for Ajax (Utils.httpReq).
> > I know there are alot of them out there, including Prototype which is widely
> > used. Mine however, also handles syncronous requests cross-browser, which to
> > my knowledge no other OSS libraries do.
> >
> >     http://sourcery.ca/js/Utils.js
> >
> > Of course any questions can be addressed to me. For pretty small stuff
> > (<15 mins), I don't mind occasionally helping out with JavaScripting pro-bono.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > --
> >     Shaun Fryer
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 12:06:26PM -0400, adam.prime at utoronto.ca wrote:
> >   
> >> new Ajax(url, {
> >>      method: 'get',
> >>      update: $('replace_me')
> >> }).request();
> >>     
> > _______________________________________________
> > toronto-pm mailing list
> > toronto-pm at pm.org
> > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> >
> >
> >   
> > _______________________________________________
> toronto-pm mailing list
> toronto-pm at pm.org
> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/toronto-pm
> 



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From adam.prime at utoronto.ca  Mon Apr 28 09:52:57 2008
From: adam.prime at utoronto.ca (adam.prime at utoronto.ca)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2008 12:52:57 -0400
Subject: [tpm] Last night and next month
In-Reply-To: <19592.199.43.183.133.1209129291.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
References: <19592.199.43.183.133.1209129291.squirrel@webmail.vex.net>
Message-ID: <20080428125257.5gyhcyt3uoog4sko@webmail.utoronto.ca>

Quoting arocker at vex.net:

>
> Thanks again to Scott Williams and Nexient, and of course Richard, we had
> an interesting meeting last night.
>
> I would like to suggest that, with an appropriate voice-over, posting the
> presentation to YouTube would give The Perl Foundation a permanent
> "commercial" to which any prospective donor could be directed. We should
> have the skills available to produce a professional-quality job.
>
> Is Adam Prime committed to be our speaker for May (29th)?

Unless I get veto'd.