From szabgab at gmail.com  Tue May  3 08:40:30 2011
From: szabgab at gmail.com (Gabor Szabo)
Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 18:40:30 +0300
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Thanks for the pizza and the dinner
Message-ID: <BANLkTinGzaDtSKsVLdV7+UdhXnhd1dCdoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am back in Israel and slowly catching up with my e-mails.

I was sorry that we came late with Juan but I stayed till the closing time
in Universal Studios where I visited with my family so we left late
to Thousand Oaks.

In any case I wanted to thank you for the pizza, the opportunity
to introduce the Perl Ecosystem Group and for the dinner afterwards.
I enjoyed myself quite a bit.

I hope next time I can be more prepared and maybe give a technical
talk as well.

In the meantime if any of you is interested in further details about PEG,
don't hesitate to ask me either on or off this list.

We are looking for individuals and companies (mostly the latter)
to support our work in trying to bridge the gap between the companies
using Perl the open source Perl community.
If you are working at a company that is using Perl a lot, please try to
get them sign up to PEG or at least to get in touch with me to discuss
what they think PEG should do to help them.

regards
   Gabor

-- 
Gabor Szabo? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?? http://szabgab.com/
Perl Ecosystem Group ? ? ? http://perl-ecosystem.org/

From tommystanton at gmail.com  Sun May  8 23:33:59 2011
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Sun, 8 May 2011 23:33:59 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] May Meeting: Wed May 11th @ 7 PM
Message-ID: <BANLkTimGZWz5UBz9VojJ_5+W4kjKeoLboA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mongers,
? ? We have our next meeting coming up this week, on Wednesday 5/11 at 7 PM.

I don't have a confirmed presenter yet, but I did have 2 people with
possible presentations that I'm hoping to hear back from soon. :)  If
you have something you'd like to present, please let me know.  I'll
reply to the list with more details after the presentations are
finalized.

Directions are included below.

-Tommy

To get there:

Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north.
Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light
for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass
the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the
parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in
spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward
the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map:
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17

Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors.

From tommystanton at gmail.com  Wed May 11 08:51:37 2011
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Wed, 11 May 2011 08:51:37 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] May Meeting: Wed May 11th @ 7 PM
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimGZWz5UBz9VojJ_5+W4kjKeoLboA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BANLkTimGZWz5UBz9VojJ_5+W4kjKeoLboA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTi=hF1iqu-fO1thFuPSvM80nHkF5Zw@mail.gmail.com>

Here is our presentation lineup for tonight:

Tommy Stanton - "tommystanton.com: the 2nd Galuga-powered blog to hit
the net" [0]
Andrew Grangaard - "Dancing with Dancer" [1]

Galuga is Perl-powered blogging software.  Dancer is a micro web
application framework for Perl.

RSVPs are appreciated.

See you soon,
Tommy

[0] http://babyl.dyndns.org/techblog/entry/galuga
[1] http://perldancer.org/

On Sun, May 8, 2011 at 11:33 PM, Tommy Stanton <tommystanton at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hey Mongers,
> ? ? We have our next meeting coming up this week, on Wednesday 5/11 at 7 PM.
>
> I don't have a confirmed presenter yet, but I did have 2 people with
> possible presentations that I'm hoping to hear back from soon. :) ?If
> you have something you'd like to present, please let me know. ?I'll
> reply to the list with more details after the presentations are
> finalized.
>
> Directions are included below.
>
> -Tommy
>
> To get there:
>
> Take the 101 Freeway to the Lindero Canyon Road exit and head north.
> Pass the Memorial Park on your right and turn right at the 2nd light
> for Russell Ranch Road (you will see a Chiptole at that corner). ?Pass
> the Costco to your right, and then take the first right into the
> parking lot (there is a little yellow parcel box that you can use in
> spotting the driveway that you need to turn into). ?Turn left toward
> the glass doors in the far corner. ?Here is a map:
> http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=30699+Russel+Ranch+Rd.+Westlake+Village,+CA&aq=&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=44.793449,79.013672&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=30699+Russell+Ranch+Rd,+Westlake+Village,+Los+Angeles,+California+91362&ll=34.152248,-118.797859&spn=0.005744,0.009645&t=h&z=17
>
> Someone will be waiting to let you in downstairs, at the glass doors.
>

From faison09 at gmail.com  Sat May 21 09:48:57 2011
From: faison09 at gmail.com (shawn faison)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 09:48:57 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] =?windows-1252?q?Richard_Stallman=92s_dystopia?=
	=?windows-1252?q?n_view_of_the_future?=
Message-ID: <BANLkTimMTRzxMokWqHQuxdnjQUKXUCZkcw@mail.gmail.com>

Has anyone read this?  I thought it was interesting and relevant enough to
open source programming, so I wanted to pass it on.

http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html


Shawn
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From lcuff2 at yahoo.com  Sat May 21 10:05:06 2011
From: lcuff2 at yahoo.com (Leonard Cuff)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 10:05:06 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm]
 =?iso-8859-1?q?Richard_Stallman=B9s__dystopian?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?_view_of_the_future?=
In-Reply-To: <BANLkTimMTRzxMokWqHQuxdnjQUKXUCZkcw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C9FD3ED2.27B58%lcuff2@yahoo.com>

I did read it, and had very mixed feelings. On the one had, sure, I want to
copy and paste from an ebook to make notes, send pithy quotes to a friend or
blog about. On the other hand, if the whole thing can be copied, it becomes
free when some hacker posts it.  We need a sophisticated digital rights
management scheme for text so that people can get paid for their text.  That
was one of Ted Nelson?s main idea when he invented the idea of hypertext
(and project Xanadu) back in the 1960s.  Today?s web is still nowhere close
to realizing that idea.

Stallman?s dystopic view of having to pay for much of what we read might
come to pass. Is it such a bad thing for authors to get paid for their work?
I don?t think so.

Leonard


On 5/21/11 9:48 AM, "shawn faison" <faison09 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Has anyone read this?? I thought it was interesting and relevant enough to
> open source programming, so I wanted to pass it on.
> 
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
> 
> 
> Shawn
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
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From Daniel at Sherer.org  Sat May 21 11:38:27 2011
From: Daniel at Sherer.org (Daniel Sherer)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 11:38:27 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Richard_Stallman=B9s_dystopian_?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?view_of_the_future?=
In-Reply-To: <C9FD3ED2.27B58%lcuff2@yahoo.com>
References: <BANLkTimMTRzxMokWqHQuxdnjQUKXUCZkcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<C9FD3ED2.27B58%lcuff2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BANLkTink=+zBaT5=2Y0MAJD4pQ6ajLk2Tw@mail.gmail.com>

That was an interesting story.

I doubt anyone in this group (software developers) is advocating that it's a
"bad thing" for authors to get paid for their work.  But it shouldn't be
illegal for you to give your work away either.

In this story, there is never any "cheating" of any author out of their
rightful income.  But the future world imagined here is one where software
developers are forbidden from developing and distributing their work.  Linux
and other "open" systems are illegal.  As are all programs and ideas that
run counter to DRM and the DMCA.

It reminds me of the stupidity that occurred when someone published decss.c
(a program that allowed you to read the contents of any dvd that you had
legally purchased.)  When the source code to that program was published in
"machine readable" format it was deemed a "crime" under the DMCA.  But, if
you printed it on a t-shirt, like the one I own, then it was considered
"free speech".

Or, further back, when Phil Zimmerman wrote PGP and was accused of
"exporting munitions" because people could encrypt their documents?

I think it's valid for all of us to consider how far we think is "too far"
when it comes to DRM.  In my opinion, this story shows what happens when you
go too far in one direction.  It seems far-fetched, but current publishers
are asking libraries to enforce restrictions on digital books such that
after they've been "read" 25 times they self-destruct.  (public libraries
have thus far resisted.)  So, is it really that far-fetched to imagine a
world where you can't log someone else into your computer under your
userid?  (I'll bet your company policy already specifies this!)


Daniel

On Sat, May 21, 2011 at 10:05 AM, Leonard Cuff <lcuff2 at yahoo.com> wrote:

>  I did read it, and had very mixed feelings. On the one had, sure, I want
> to copy and paste from an ebook to make notes, send pithy quotes to a friend
> or blog about. On the other hand, if the whole thing can be copied, it
> becomes free when some hacker posts it.  We need a sophisticated digital
> rights management scheme for text so that people can get paid for their
> text.  That was one of Ted Nelson?s main idea when he invented the idea of
> hypertext  (and project Xanadu) back in the 1960s.  Today?s web is still
> nowhere close to realizing that idea.
>
> Stallman?s dystopic view of having to pay for much of what we read might
> come to pass. Is it such a bad thing for authors to get paid for their work?
> I don?t think so.
>
> Leonard
>
>
> On 5/21/11 9:48 AM, "shawn faison" <faison09 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Has anyone read this?  I thought it was interesting and relevant enough to
> open source programming, so I wanted to pass it on.
>
> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
>
>
> Shawn
>
> ------------------------------
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>
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From paul at pauljacobs.net  Sat May 21 12:25:52 2011
From: paul at pauljacobs.net (Paul Jacobs)
Date: Sat, 21 May 2011 12:25:52 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] =?utf-8?q?Fwd=3A__Richard_Stallman=E2=80=99s_d?=
 =?utf-8?q?ystopian_view_of_the_future?=
References: <11A4E2B1-262A-48FE-A750-F74521BEE106@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E243B24-8408-4826-88AC-99268DCD437E@pauljacobs.net>

This bounced when I sent it from my more recent address, I'm re-sending from my registered account now.

- paul


Begin forwarded message:

> From: "P.J at GMAIL" <paul.jacobs at gmail.com>
> Date: May 21, 2011 12:19:43 PM PDT
> To: shawn faison <faison09 at gmail.com>
> Cc: perlmongers <thousand-oaks-pm at mail.pm.org>
> Subject: Re: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Richard Stallman?s dystopian view of the future
> 

> Thanks for passing this on. I agree wholeheartedly with Stallman on this one, it's a horror story that we have all watched the beginning of. As an author of several iOS apps that I know have been pirated (as is just about all paid content), I see both sides - but no amount of profit is worth losing control over my own hardware. I hope Apple never goes there. I can totally see debuggers becoming illegal - experimentation is discouraged because of fear all the time - chemistry sets now exist that don't include chemicals.
> 
> I'm grateful for the FSF and what they stand for.
> 
> 
> 
> - paul
> 
> 
> On May 21, 2011, at 9:48 AM, shawn faison <faison09 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Has anyone read this?  I thought it was interesting and relevant enough to open source programming, so I wanted to pass it on.
>> 
>> http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html
>> 
>> 
>> Shawn
>> _______________________________________________
>> Thousand-oaks-pm mailing list
>> Thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org
>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thousand-oaks-pm
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From faison09 at gmail.com  Thu May 26 21:40:06 2011
From: faison09 at gmail.com (shawn faison)
Date: Thu, 26 May 2011 21:40:06 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Interesting article with points about Perl and
	Functional Programming
Message-ID: <BANLkTiny7J-RX84k-qNcK3CyiehfQsHBUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Mongers,

I wanted to share this interesting and kinda fun read:
http://enfranchisedmind.com/blog/posts/post-functional-scala/

Shawn
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