From bluefeet at gmail.com  Tue May  4 17:03:34 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 17:03:34 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Perl Flagship Applications
Message-ID: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>

So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I forget his
name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were more "flagship" Perl
applications that could illustrate the power of perl to a more general
audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress, Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.
Java has Hadoop, Cassandra, etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications
provide the underlying language an automatic approval to the users of those
applications.  People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these
applications and what language they were written in because these
application proudly state what language(s) they are using.  This means that
managers, etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
highly complex software.

So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?

I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)

I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of Movable
Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.

And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at LA.pm
could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking that would be
great.

Aran
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From tommystanton at gmail.com  Tue May  4 18:15:01 2010
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Tue, 4 May 2010 18:15:01 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <83659346-0DFC-448F-8803-56FA5143ABBD@petdance.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
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Gitweb
https://git.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Gitweb

An interesting list of other Perl-powered applications:
http://perl.net.au/wiki/Perl_applications

Some other interesting projects...
Yawns CMS:
http://www.debian-administration.org/Code/

ikiwiki:
http://ikiwiki.info/

-Tommy

On Tue, May 4, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Andy Lester <andy at petdance.com> wrote:
>
> On May 4, 2010, at 7:54 PM, David Davis wrote:
>
>> cPanel, Perlbal, MogileFS, Movable Type, Slash (Slashdot)
>
> Webmin
>
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From ron at endpoint.com  Tue May  4 20:51:22 2010
From: ron at endpoint.com (Ron Phipps)
Date: Tue, 04 May 2010 20:51:22 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] [LA.pm] Perl Flagship Applications
In-Reply-To: <h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <j2r24bb5cf91005041703x24bd93b4gccd06dd433c886c9@mail.gmail.com>
	<h2n5e884e2a1005041721wc1b93812oa54699021f91153f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4BE0EB3A.2000703@endpoint.com>

> 2010/5/4 Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com <mailto:bluefeet at gmail.com>>
> 
>     So, at the end of LA.pm this month one of our fellow mongers (I
>     forget his name, sorry) was talking about how he wished there were
>     more "flagship" Perl applications that could illustrate the power of
>     perl to a more general audience.  PHP has Drupal, Wordpress,
>     Mediawiki, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc.  Java has Hadoop, Cassandra,
>     etc, etc, etc.  These flagship applications provide the underlying
>     language an automatic approval to the users of those applications. 
>     People who do not code in PHP or Java know of these applications and
>     what language they were written in because these application proudly
>     state what language(s) they are using.  This means that managers,
>     etc, are exposed to these languages as providing high quality and
>     highly complex software.
> 
>     So, what I'm wondering is, what does perl have?
> 
>     I know of one off the top of my head:  TWiki (http://twiki.org/)
> 
>     I'm sure there are more.  Melody (the really open source version of
>     Movable Type) will fall in this list once its released, I'm hoping.
> 
>     And, if the person who brought this point up in the first place at
>     LA.pm could speak up and maybe talk about what you were thinking
>     that would be great.
> 
>     Aran
> 


One e-commerce platform that we build sites on at End Point is called 
Interchange (www.icdevgroup.org) and is written in Perl.  Some sites 
that run on this system include:

http://www.backcountry.com
http://www.citypass.com
http://www.frozencpu.com
http://www.flor.com

Interchange includes a demo store, however the power of the system is 
really in the ability to do whatever you need to do in Perl and leverage 
CPAN.  Interchange doesn't get a whole lot in the way of press, but 
there are many sites doing large amounts of orders on this platform.


-- 
Ron Phipps
End Point Corporation
ron at endpoint.com

From alex at acatysmoof.com  Fri May  7 23:18:03 2010
From: alex at acatysmoof.com (Alex Teslik)
Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 23:18:03 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] CCTLDs
Message-ID: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>

"Net regulator ICANN has switched on a system that allows full web addresses
that contain no Latin characters":

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10100108.stm

I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on how this will impact Perl
development.

Thanks,
Alex

From tommystanton at gmail.com  Sat May  8 01:20:16 2010
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 01:20:16 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] [LA.pm] CCTLDs
In-Reply-To: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>
References: <20100508060533.M21891@acatysmoof.com>
Message-ID: <m2n2e0b15381005080120va24f2b3cn298d15d895e206a9@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know about the impact of Perl development directly, but it's
also interesting to read people's responses in this related article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/8334630.stm

I too am curious about what the Perl community will think.  The way
that unicode is discussed in the Camel book suggests that the
community might be alright with this sort of thing.

It seems to me that this will lead to a "Tower of Babel" situation.
Heck, there are already too many programming languages. =P

-Tommy

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Alex Teslik <alex at acatysmoof.com> wrote:
> "Net regulator ICANN has switched on a system that allows full web addresses
> that contain no Latin characters":
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/10100108.stm
>
> I'd be interested in hearing people's thoughts on how this will impact Perl
> development.
>
> Thanks,
> Alex
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From tommystanton at gmail.com  Sat May  8 23:59:29 2010
From: tommystanton at gmail.com (Tommy Stanton)
Date: Sat, 8 May 2010 23:59:29 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Code and slides from my "Sync Your ~ With Git"
	presentation
Message-ID: <p2k2e0b15381005082359jc002fddfra0cf7f406d14b2a@mail.gmail.com>

Hi LA & TO Mongers,
     I wanted to send along a link to the presentation I gave a little
while back at both LA.pm and TO.pm (tarball of everything, or
slideshow quick view):
http://tommystanton.com/presentations/20100430-Tommy_Stanton-Sync_Your_~_With_Git.tar.gz
http://tommystanton.com/presentations/20100430-Tommy_Stanton-Sync_Your_~_With_Git/

I refactored my git-home-sync program in accordance with the "Rule of
Representation" [1], utilizing the power of Perl's hash data structure
and subroutine references.

My "Advanced TDD" presentation can also be found at this index:
http://tommystanton.com/presentations/

-Tommy

[1] http://www.catb.org/~esr/writings/taoup/html/ch01s06.html#id2878263

From bluefeet at gmail.com  Mon May 10 11:24:43 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 11:24:43 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Perl Mongers this Wednesday @ 7pm
Message-ID: <AANLkTinak5dRMfXOrK1XRbyMxd9I5ojeXDzr01e2TTbe@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

This month's Thousand Oaks Perl Mongers will be in 2 days - Wednesday the
12th @7pm.
So far we have one presenter:

Shawn Faison
Face.com is  a facial detection, recognition, and tagging service. I will be
talking about the technology and my experience with it along with a client
library im bulding for the CPAN .

<Open Slot>
Let me know if you want to fill it.  Its 30 minutes.  You can present your
favorite module, show off how your business uses perl, talk about some cool
open source technology, etc.

More information can be found:

http://www.thousand-oaks-perl.org/

Thanks, and see you all on Wednesday!

Aran
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From kevinduraj at gmail.com  Mon May 10 12:25:13 2010
From: kevinduraj at gmail.com (Kevin Duraj)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 12:25:13 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Thousand-oaks-pm Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4
In-Reply-To: <mailman.29.1273518060.8531.thousand-oaks-pm@pm.org>
References: <mailman.29.1273518060.8531.thousand-oaks-pm@pm.org>
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I can fill the open slot:

Subject: Data Distribution.

How to distribute 150 million records on one server and one hard disk
for http://MyHealthcare.com and http://Find1Friend.com search engines.
And imagine what we can do with two Hard Disks!


Kevin Duraj
http://myhealthcare.com/
http://find1friend.com/



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> Hello everyone,
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> This month's Thousand Oaks Perl Mongers will be in 2 days - Wednesday the
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> Face.com is ?a facial detection, recognition, and tagging service. I will be
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From bluefeet at gmail.com  Mon May 10 13:11:26 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 13:11:26 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Thousand-oaks-pm Digest, Vol 65, Issue 4
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Sounds great Kevin - you got the slot!

Thanks,

Aran

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Kevin Duraj <kevinduraj at gmail.com> wrote:

> I can fill the open slot:
>
> Subject: Data Distribution.
>
> How to distribute 150 million records on one server and one hard disk
> for http://MyHealthcare.com and http://Find1Friend.com search engines.
> And imagine what we can do with two Hard Disks!
>
>
> Kevin Duraj
> http://myhealthcare.com/
> http://find1friend.com/
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>
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> >
> > Shawn Faison
> > Face.com is  a facial detection, recognition, and tagging service. I will
> be
> > talking about the technology and my experience with it along with a
> client
> > library im bulding for the CPAN .
> >
> > <Open Slot>
> > Let me know if you want to fill it.  Its 30 minutes.  You can present
> your
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> cool
> > open source technology, etc.
> >
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From shawn at web-hero.net  Tue May 11 10:13:35 2010
From: shawn at web-hero.net (shawn faison)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:13:35 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Why Perl isnt going away soon or ever
Message-ID: <AANLkTilR0JcNDgnnnLMpXsf7JU5f5wkNSok3hj9hZvNT@mail.gmail.com>

Interesting article about Perl 5 / Perl 6.

http://ostatic.com/blog/guest-post-why-perl-isnt-going-away-soon-or-ever

Shawn

From bluefeet at gmail.com  Tue May 11 10:22:23 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 10:22:23 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Why Perl isnt going away soon or ever
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilR0JcNDgnnnLMpXsf7JU5f5wkNSok3hj9hZvNT@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTilR0JcNDgnnnLMpXsf7JU5f5wkNSok3hj9hZvNT@mail.gmail.com>
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Interesting.
Most of it I was aware of, but most people don't.  Its good to get the word
out like this.
One line that caught my eye was "A recent search for Perl jobs on Dice.com
turned up 4,126 matches against PHP's 2,127. Python matched only 1,742, and
.Net only 1,025. Searching LinkedIn turns up 403 results, Python 352, and
.Net 439 results. Is this an authoritative metric? No, but it does
demonstrate that Perl still commands attention in the job market."

That's pretty cool.  I'm curious have Java fits in to those numbers.

Aran

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 10:13 AM, shawn faison <shawn at web-hero.net> wrote:

> Interesting article about Perl 5 / Perl 6.
>
> http://ostatic.com/blog/guest-post-why-perl-isnt-going-away-soon-or-ever
>
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From jordan at JordanColeman.com  Wed May 12 23:24:15 2010
From: jordan at JordanColeman.com (Jordan Coleman)
Date: Wed, 12 May 2010 23:24:15 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] Unicode
Message-ID: <DC23C35A-2594-48ED-A447-3EF3DF7F87BE@JordanColeman.com>

Great meeting tonight.  Was happy to get my TO.pm fix after many months away.

Here's the article from Joel Spolsky I mentioned.  It's not the end-all-be-all, but it does a good job of calling out why we can no longer close our eyes and wish our data into 7 bits.

http://www.joelonsoftware.com/articles/Unicode.html

And I might as well toss in the obligatory Wikipedia link for internationalized DNS stuff we were talking about:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internationalized_domain_name

++J


From bluefeet at gmail.com  Thu May 20 09:06:05 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Thu, 20 May 2010 09:06:05 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] The Perl Survey
Message-ID: <AANLkTikOcy6drbhoUrb3Ififk0Yqsx-rEYiTmBuv3L4J@mail.gmail.com>

Hey fellow mongers - the 2010 Perl Survey is ready to be filled out!
Support the community and provide your feedback about perl:

http://survey.perlfoundation.org/

Aran
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From toddpresta at sbcglobal.net  Fri May 21 08:22:49 2010
From: toddpresta at sbcglobal.net (Todd Presta)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:22:49 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] The Perl Survey
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOcy6drbhoUrb3Ififk0Yqsx-rEYiTmBuv3L4J@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikOcy6drbhoUrb3Ififk0Yqsx-rEYiTmBuv3L4J@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <180103.99937.qm@web81608.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Now that was a really good survey.




________________________________
From: Aran Deltac <bluefeet at gmail.com>
To: TO.pm <thousand-oaks-pm at pm.org>
Sent: Thu, May 20, 2010 9:06:05 AM
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] The Perl Survey

Hey fellow mongers - the 2010 Perl Survey is ready to be filled out!
Support the community and provide your feedback about perl:

http://survey.perlfoundation.org/

Aran
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From agrangaard at rubiconproject.com  Fri May 21 08:46:36 2010
From: agrangaard at rubiconproject.com (Andrew Grangaard)
Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 08:46:36 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] The Perl Survey
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTikOcy6drbhoUrb3Ififk0Yqsx-rEYiTmBuv3L4J@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AANLkTikOcy6drbhoUrb3Ififk0Yqsx-rEYiTmBuv3L4J@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A7337B65-A41E-4039-8E7A-E3FED3AF72D6@rubiconproject.com>

Annoying that it is too clever with the drop downs so I can't fill it  
out on iPhone browser. Boo.

Will start over back at laptop.



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From bluefeet at gmail.com  Tue May 25 15:24:00 2010
From: bluefeet at gmail.com (Aran Deltac)
Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 15:24:00 -0700
Subject: [Thousand-oaks-pm] TO.pm Call for Presenter
Message-ID: <AANLkTilMkDlTTAar4_KZ6ALem_RxSPjtu2zLwLdRfEl_@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all - Thousand Oaks Perl Mongers is coming up in about 2 weeks (June
9th) and we're still in need of one presenter.

Haven't presented before?  This is your chance!
Got a dusty old presentation that needs sprucing up?  Now's the time!
Did something cool at work?  Share about it!
Feel all geeked-out about something?  Spread that enthusiasm around!

Let me know.

Aran
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