From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Fri Apr 1 11:17:50 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2016 19:17:50 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Meetup References: <937DF517-174A-4A38-AF3B-76F3E0A9D171@cogendo.com> Message-ID: <007701d18c42$cd8aa240$afbbfea9@home> Oh gosh. >_<. Sorry! Here are some pictures of me there a week too early, ^_^: http://www.unitedgames.co.uk/files/IMG_3024.png http://www.unitedgames.co.uk/files/IMG_3023.png If you confirm date and venue a fortnight in advance, I'll book tickets to the next one! Sorry about last week. I got carried away I was in Marlow for once. Your date and time were clearly declared, and even confirmed a fortnight in advance. I'm hoping I'll be more with it this month, =). Yours, Andrew. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Bowers" To: Sent: Thursday, March 31, 2016 8:28 PM Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Meetup Ah, maybe I should have followed up to Roger's message saying I'll still be at Churchill Tap tonight. It's the bar on the left when you go into The Chequers on the high street in Marlow. I'll finish this pint, then call it a night if no-one else turns up :-) Neil _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I used Marlow as the place to check train tickets to, however, do we yet know where this next meet would be? ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Bowers To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 2:53 PM Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup Here?s the dudle for an April TVPM meetup: http://dudle.inf.tu-dresden.de/tvpm-april-2016/ Once enough people have signed up, I?ll pick the best date, and will also send reminders closer to the time :-) Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Mon Apr 4 08:29:20 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:29:20 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup In-Reply-To: <00ac01d18e85$fe2531a0$afbbfea9@home> References: <149FDD14-3920-47BE-A4D1-2EE01E187F3C@cogendo.com> <00ac01d18e85$fe2531a0$afbbfea9@home> Message-ID: <4FE600CA-F484-408E-A24F-42DEEA8E1004@cogendo.com> > Right now, I can get cheap train tickets for all dates, although that may change, as time goes on, ^_^. > I used Marlow as the place to check train tickets to, > however, do we yet know where this next meet would be? Let?s try the Churchill Tap again, as (a) only you and I have made it there so far :-), and (b) they?ve got a good selection of beers! Neil -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Mon Apr 4 08:39:38 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Mon, 4 Apr 2016 16:39:38 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup References: <149FDD14-3920-47BE-A4D1-2EE01E187F3C@cogendo.com><00ac01d18e85$fe2531a0$afbbfea9@home> <4FE600CA-F484-408E-A24F-42DEEA8E1004@cogendo.com> Message-ID: <00cf01d18e88$32cf5500$afbbfea9@home> Although an attractive idea, My location preferences would be Reading, Maidenhead, and then Marlow. Since, to get to Marlow, I have to pass through both Reading and Maidenhead. ----- Original Message ----- From: Neil Bowers To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers Sent: Monday, April 04, 2016 4:29 PM Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup Right now, I can get cheap train tickets for all dates, although that may change, as time goes on, ^_^. I used Marlow as the place to check train tickets to, however, do we yet know where this next meet would be? Let?s try the Churchill Tap again, as (a) only you and I have made it there so far :-), and (b) they?ve got a good selection of beers! Neil ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Wed Apr 13 14:04:51 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:04:51 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April Message-ID: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> The April meetup will be on Thursday 28th April at 8pm. Would someone like to suggest a pub in Reading that?s close to the train station or has lots of parking nearby? Neil From oliver at cpan.org Wed Apr 13 14:12:34 2016 From: oliver at cpan.org (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 22:12:34 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> Message-ID: <19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk> On 2016-04-13 22:04, Neil Bowers wrote: > The April meetup will be on Thursday 28th April at 8pm. > > Would someone like to suggest a pub in Reading that?s close to the > train station or has lots of parking nearby? Hello! I may well be able to make this one, but regardless, I can recommend The Greyfriar as being very close to the station and having good drinks (and pies if you need a morsel). http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk/ regards, oliver. From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Wed Apr 13 15:00:50 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2016 23:00:50 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: <19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk> Message-ID: <05E8885E-D5C4-494B-B615-2C15B1617385@cogendo.com> > Hello! I may well be able to make this one, but regardless, I can recommend The Greyfriar as being very close to the station and having good drinks (and pies if you need a morsel). http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk/ Done! The Greyfriar, Thursday 28th April, 8pm! Special guest visitor, Oliver Gorwits, will regale us with stories of his new Monger pals :-) Neil From oliver at cpan.org Thu Apr 14 01:06:41 2016 From: oliver at cpan.org (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 09:06:41 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: <05E8885E-D5C4-494B-B615-2C15B1617385@cogendo.com> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk> <05E8885E-D5C4-494B-B615-2C15B1617385@cogendo.com> Message-ID: <433b8738de1dc5733744d83c30276d83@gorwits.me.uk> On 2016-04-13 23:00, Neil Bowers wrote: > The Greyfriar, Thursday 28th April, 8pm! Super! For those not wanting to check Google maps: exit the station towards the town centre (not Caversham) and bear hard RIGHT, down the wide, steps then just go in a straight line. The Greyfriar is two blocks down on the left on a street corner. > Special guest visitor, Oliver Gorwits, will regale us with stories of > his new Monger pals :-) Oh I don't know about that ;). I have been having fun with Mojolicious, Websockets, Swagger2, and PostgreSQL NOTFIY, though. I can bore you with them instead! regards, oliver. From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Thu Apr 14 05:21:48 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:21:48 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Mojolicious and Catalyst References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com><19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk><05E8885E-D5C4-494B-B615-2C15B1617385@cogendo.com> <433b8738de1dc5733744d83c30276d83@gorwits.me.uk> Message-ID: <00de01d19648$44477340$0100a8c0@home> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Gorwits" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April > Oh I don't know about that ;). I have been having fun with Mojolicious, ... > > regards, > oliver. I got to try Mojolicious for the first time in the first half of 2015, and made a little web app in it, as a demo for a job interview. Never heard back from the employer however! ^_^ But it was great, because it got me into frameworks for the first time. I'd bought books on Catalyst, but never actually got into any frameworks, so it was great to actually have a practical project to work on, and I learnt so much faster that way! The whole experience gave me bags of confidence, so straight after, I moved onto a Catalyst project, so I've now experience with both Mojolicious and Catalyst. However, I am still being a n00b in many ways... I don't quite yet get the point of the view and model folders in Catalyst. During A-level Computer Science back in 1998-1999 - they didn't teach us Model View Controller, but Processing, Data, and Output, leading me to always separate Processing, Data and Layout. And since then, I've considered my database to be my model, and my layout templates to be my view, and all my perl code is just going in the controller folder. I don't yet understand why a bit of code goes in a view folder or model folder - it's not the model or the view, it's still processing, it's still code. I guess perhaps the principle is some sort of "hot swapping" equivalent? So you could easily change the model or view, without effecting the main programming code in the controller folder? Just use a different view or model script, is that how it works? I dunno - I'll learn soon, I'm sure. Yours, Andrew M, =). From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Thu Apr 14 05:42:19 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:42:19 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> Message-ID: <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> I'd always suggest Mal Maison, although it's a hotel bar, rather than a pub, ^_^. It's right in front of the station, and they've just had a refurbishment too, =). However, hearing directions to the Grey Friar, it doesn't sound too hard to get to, and I'd be happy to try a new venue. Reading is so much less hassle to travel to, ^_^ - literally shaving an hour off my journey time, =). Although it's my fault for being in Swindon, which isn't really your area. It's just that the Swindon/Bristol/Bath PerlMongers has been super quiet for the past half year, XD. I am curious what happens with Oxford...? I made friends with someone at Adestra once, and they're all Perl programmers, and I wonder if Oxford counts as part of the Thames Valley area, or if they have their own Perl Mongers at all? Yours, Andrew M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Bowers" To: "ThamesValley Perl Mongers" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:04 PM Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April The April meetup will be on Thursday 28th April at 8pm. Would someone like to suggest a pub in Reading that?s close to the train station or has lots of parking nearby? Neil _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm From oliver at cpan.org Thu Apr 14 05:51:05 2016 From: oliver at cpan.org (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:51:05 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: <5539394df903178af4c23f152bf347b7@gorwits.me.uk> On 2016-04-14 13:42, Andrew wrote: > I am curious what happens with Oxford...? > I made friends with someone at Adestra once, and they're all Perl > programmers, and I wonder if Oxford counts as part of the Thames Valley > area, or if they have their own Perl Mongers at all? I think Oxford is definitely a legitimate part of this group. I believe a long time ago there was an Oxford Perl Mongers, but outside London/Birmingham it's difficult to run a single-city Perl Mongers - for example in Milton Keynes they are combined with the Linux User Group. The Oxford group has long since died and is not (AFAIK) registered on the Perl Mongers infrastructure any more. p.s. I live in Oxford and work in Reading :) regards, oliver. From pb.cole at gmail.com Thu Apr 14 05:52:20 2016 From: pb.cole at gmail.com (Phil Cole) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 13:52:20 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: There are perl guys at Sophos in Abingdon... (I'm one of them, and got onto this mailing list by virtue of working with David Pottage). So, hopefully Oxford and Abingdon count as part of the Thames Valley :) I don't think I'll make it down to Reading... family life is too hectic :( Now if we can convince people to come up to the Abingdon/Oxford way... Phil On 14 April 2016 at 13:42, Andrew wrote: > > I'd always suggest Mal Maison, although it's a hotel bar, rather than a > pub, > ^_^. > It's right in front of the station, and they've just had a refurbishment > too, =). > > However, hearing directions to the Grey Friar, it doesn't sound too hard to > get to, and I'd be happy to try a new venue. > > Reading is so much less hassle to travel to, ^_^ - literally shaving an > hour > off my journey time, =). > Although it's my fault for being in Swindon, which isn't really your area. > It's just that the Swindon/Bristol/Bath PerlMongers has been super quiet > for > the past half year, XD. > > I am curious what happens with Oxford...? > I made friends with someone at Adestra once, and they're all Perl > programmers, and I wonder if Oxford counts as part of the Thames Valley > area, or if they have their own Perl Mongers at all? > > Yours, > Andrew M. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Bowers" > To: "ThamesValley Perl Mongers" > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:04 PM > Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April > > > The April meetup will be on Thursday 28th April at 8pm. > > Would someone like to suggest a pub in Reading that?s close to the train > station or has lots of parking nearby? > > Neil > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oliver at cpan.org Thu Apr 14 08:40:34 2016 From: oliver at cpan.org (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:40:34 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: <8f6ff1946147600c5db84604655f7bcf@gorwits.me.uk> On 2016-04-14 13:52, Phil Cole wrote: > I don't think I'll make it down to Reading... family life is too > hectic :(? Now if we can convince people to come up to the > Abingdon/Oxford way... Well, same here, life outside Perl took me away from Reading and took all my time :-/. We could certainly host an Oxford meeting one time, which fits with the large coverage area of TVPM. Not everyone can make all meetings, which is fine. We just all meet together once a year at the London Perl Workshop! :-D regards, oliver. From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Thu Apr 14 08:56:29 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:56:29 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April In-Reply-To: References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: > On 14 Apr 2016, at 13:52, Phil Cole wrote: > > There are perl guys at Sophos in Abingdon... (I'm one of them, and got onto this mailing list by virtue of working with David Pottage). > > So, hopefully Oxford and Abingdon count as part of the Thames Valley :) There are some regular attendees (if we can count a couple of months this year as ?regular?) who need train access I think, so how about Didcot ? is that a location that works for enough people? Maybe we can rotate through east, west, and north of the TV area, if there?s enough people to warrant it ? Neil From oliver at cpan.org Thu Apr 14 08:58:49 2016 From: oliver at cpan.org (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 16:58:49 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Mojolicious and Catalyst In-Reply-To: <00de01d19648$44477340$0100a8c0@home> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com><19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk><05E8885E-D5C4-494B-B615-2C15B1617385@cogendo.com> <433b8738de1dc5733744d83c30276d83@gorwits.me.uk> <00de01d19648$44477340$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: On 2016-04-14 13:21, Andrew wrote: > my perl code is just going in the controller folder. I don't yet > understand > why a bit of code goes in a view folder or model folder - it's not the > model > or the view, it's still processing, it's still code. I think it's down to how you want to separate the parts of your application. The idea is that one part of code should not [need to] know too much about how another part gets its job done. You make the point already in your "hot swapping" comment but it's also about the ability to make small changes to code more easily, to test code in isolation, to limit the impact of bugs, and so on. In Mojolicious the View (Output) and Controller (Processing) are sort of mushed together, which is why you might be missing the View code. For the Model, what I tend to do is write "wrapper" or "helper" subroutines that take friendly parameters, perform basic sanity checks, execute the necessary SQL, and return some sort of data structure. For example get_user($id) or whatever, running SELECT ... FROM and returning a hash. If you go for something more involved such as DBIx::Class then you can get fancy with its Virtual Table (~view) feature and embed quite a lot into the [data-]model. regards, oliver. From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Thu Apr 14 09:35:09 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:35:09 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Oxford/Abingdon References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com><00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: <017501d1966b$a0143140$0100a8c0@home> Oxford is pretty easy & cheap for me to get to via train, =). =S Abingdon doesn't appear to have a train station, although wikipedia says there are bus connections from Oxford station to Abingdon. =). ----- Original Message ----- From: Phil Cole To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:52 PM Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April There are perl guys at Sophos in Abingdon... (I'm one of them, and got onto this mailing list by virtue of working with David Pottage). So, hopefully Oxford and Abingdon count as part of the Thames Valley :) I don't think I'll make it down to Reading... family life is too hectic :( Now if we can convince people to come up to the Abingdon/Oxford way... Phil On 14 April 2016 at 13:42, Andrew wrote: I'd always suggest Mal Maison, although it's a hotel bar, rather than a pub, ^_^. It's right in front of the station, and they've just had a refurbishment too, =). However, hearing directions to the Grey Friar, it doesn't sound too hard to get to, and I'd be happy to try a new venue. Reading is so much less hassle to travel to, ^_^ - literally shaving an hour off my journey time, =). Although it's my fault for being in Swindon, which isn't really your area. It's just that the Swindon/Bristol/Bath PerlMongers has been super quiet for the past half year, XD. I am curious what happens with Oxford...? I made friends with someone at Adestra once, and they're all Perl programmers, and I wonder if Oxford counts as part of the Thames Valley area, or if they have their own Perl Mongers at all? Yours, Andrew M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Bowers" To: "ThamesValley Perl Mongers" Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:04 PM Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April The April meetup will be on Thursday 28th April at 8pm. Would someone like to suggest a pub in Reading that?s close to the train station or has lots of parking nearby? 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URL: From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Thu Apr 14 09:44:03 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 17:44:03 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Didcot and Oxford References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com><00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: <017b01d1966c$da8775c0$0100a8c0@home> Didcot makes travel sense (I'd change there, to get to Oxford), however, is there much there? I know Oxford lands you right in the town centre, with presumably lots of venues to choose from. Didcot station is opposite a pub, but there doesn't appear to be much else within walking distance, as far as I'm aware. Of course, I could be wrong, as I don't know the area. Yours, Andrew M. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Neil Bowers" To: "ThamesValley Perl Mongers" Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 4:56 PM Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April > On 14 Apr 2016, at 13:52, Phil Cole wrote: > > There are perl guys at Sophos in Abingdon... (I'm one of them, and got onto this mailing list by virtue of working with David Pottage). > > So, hopefully Oxford and Abingdon count as part of the Thames Valley :) There are some regular attendees (if we can count a couple of months this year as ?regular?) who need train access I think, so how about Didcot ? is that a location that works for enough people? Maybe we can rotate through east, west, and north of the TV area, if there?s enough people to warrant it ? Neil _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Thu Apr 14 10:04:09 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2016 18:04:09 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Mojolicious and Catalyst References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com><19593c6466960b3ae4411c75a069521e@gorwits.me.uk><05E8885E-D5C4-494B-B615-2C15B1617385@cogendo.com><433b8738de1dc5733744d83c30276d83@gorwits.me.uk><00de01d19648$44477340$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: <01ba01d1966f$a96415e0$0100a8c0@home> Yes, I'm hoping to learn more about DBIx::Class, =). I remember helpers from my experience with Mojolicious. The code I was doing was integrating with their existing code, and Nigel Hamilton had already coded a helper for something or another, that I ended up being able to use. Sorry for being vague - it has been a year since I used Mojolicious, =). It was super cool that I got confused by a bit of the documentation however, mentioned it in the mailing list, and the documentation was updated immediately, =). Community felt very active, =). ----- Original Message ----- From: "Oliver Gorwits" To: Sent: Thursday, April 14, 2016 4:58 PM Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Mojolicious and Catalyst On 2016-04-14 13:21, Andrew wrote: > my perl code is just going in the controller folder. I don't yet > understand > why a bit of code goes in a view folder or model folder - it's not the > model > or the view, it's still processing, it's still code. I think it's down to how you want to separate the parts of your application. The idea is that one part of code should not [need to] know too much about how another part gets its job done. You make the point already in your "hot swapping" comment but it's also about the ability to make small changes to code more easily, to test code in isolation, to limit the impact of bugs, and so on. In Mojolicious the View (Output) and Controller (Processing) are sort of mushed together, which is why you might be missing the View code. For the Model, what I tend to do is write "wrapper" or "helper" subroutines that take friendly parameters, perform basic sanity checks, execute the necessary SQL, and return some sort of data structure. For example get_user($id) or whatever, running SELECT ... FROM and returning a hash. If you go for something more involved such as DBIx::Class then you can get fancy with its Virtual Table (~view) feature and embed quite a lot into the [data-]model. regards, oliver. _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm From gareth.france at cliftonts.co.uk Sat Apr 16 11:27:19 2016 From: gareth.france at cliftonts.co.uk (Gareth France) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2016 19:27:19 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Oxford/Abingdon In-Reply-To: <017501d1966b$a0143140$0100a8c0@home> References: <9891C858-3258-4E45-B205-BC9CDE45B439@cogendo.com> <00e301d1964b$218c2000$0100a8c0@home> <017501d1966b$a0143140$0100a8c0@home> Message-ID: <57128407.3010509@cliftonts.co.uk> I have just started working in Wheatley right next to Oxford so this would work very well for me. On 14/04/16 17:35, Andrew wrote: > Oxford is pretty easy & cheap for me to get to via train, =). > =S Abingdon doesn't appear to have a train station, although wikipedia > says there are bus connections from Oxford station to Abingdon. =). > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Phil Cole > *To:* ThamesValley Perl Mongers > *Sent:* Thursday, April 14, 2016 1:52 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April > > There are perl guys at Sophos in Abingdon... (I'm one of them, and > got onto this mailing list by virtue of working with David Pottage). > > So, hopefully Oxford and Abingdon count as part of the Thames Valley :) > > I don't think I'll make it down to Reading... family life is too > hectic :( Now if we can convince people to come up to the > Abingdon/Oxford way... > > Phil > > > On 14 April 2016 at 13:42, Andrew > wrote: > > > I'd always suggest Mal Maison, although it's a hotel bar, rather > than a pub, > ^_^. > It's right in front of the station, and they've just had a > refurbishment > too, =). > > However, hearing directions to the Grey Friar, it doesn't sound > too hard to > get to, and I'd be happy to try a new venue. > > Reading is so much less hassle to travel to, ^_^ - literally > shaving an hour > off my journey time, =). > Although it's my fault for being in Swindon, which isn't really > your area. > It's just that the Swindon/Bristol/Bath PerlMongers has been > super quiet for > the past half year, XD. > > I am curious what happens with Oxford...? > I made friends with someone at Adestra once, and they're all Perl > programmers, and I wonder if Oxford counts as part of the Thames > Valley > area, or if they have their own Perl Mongers at all? > > Yours, > Andrew M. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Neil Bowers" > > To: "ThamesValley Perl Mongers" > > Sent: Wednesday, April 13, 2016 10:04 PM > Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] April meetup: Thursday 28th April > > > The April meetup will be on Thursday 28th April at 8pm. > > Would someone like to suggest a pub in Reading that?s close to > the train > station or has lots of parking nearby? > > Neil > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Fri Apr 22 09:40:40 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:40:40 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Next meetup: Thursday 28th April 8pm Message-ID: <28CC1F6C-4690-4C82-866D-D4E2CE9D36A6@bowers.com> Our next meetup is next Thursday 28th April: The Greyfriar, Reading 8pm http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk Neil From thisusedtobeanemail at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 02:57:26 2016 From: thisusedtobeanemail at gmail.com (LNATION .) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 10:57:26 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey All, My names Robert Acock, I'm a perl developer at Adestra. I have no idea what you do in these meetups, but Is it okay to just turn up?? On Fri, Apr 22, 2016 at 8:00 PM, wrote: > Send Thamesvalley-pm mailing list submissions to > thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thamesvalley-pm-request at pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thamesvalley-pm-owner at pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thamesvalley-pm digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Next meetup: Thursday 28th April 8pm (Neil Bowers) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2016 17:40:40 +0100 > From: Neil Bowers > To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers > Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Next meetup: Thursday 28th April 8pm > Message-ID: <28CC1F6C-4690-4C82-866D-D4E2CE9D36A6 at bowers.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > > Our next meetup is next Thursday 28th April: > > The Greyfriar, Reading > 8pm > > http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk > > Neil > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 > ********************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Sat Apr 23 03:33:16 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2016 11:33:16 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 8 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <09FC86B3-131F-41A0-95ED-7E8BE2A9C742@cogendo.com> Hi Robert, > I have no idea what you do in these meetups At the moment we?re just having social get-togethers, so basically we just meet at the pub and bullshit each other. Sometimes about Perl. > but Is it okay to just turn up?? Absolutely ? the more merrier! From neil.bowers at cogendo.com Wed Apr 27 03:33:36 2016 From: neil.bowers at cogendo.com (Neil Bowers) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:33:36 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) In-Reply-To: <28CC1F6C-4690-4C82-866D-D4E2CE9D36A6@bowers.com> References: <28CC1F6C-4690-4C82-866D-D4E2CE9D36A6@bowers.com> Message-ID: As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: > The Greyfriar, Reading > 8pm > > http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk Neil From roger at firedrake.org Wed Apr 27 03:39:40 2016 From: roger at firedrake.org (Roger Bell_West) Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:39:40 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) In-Reply-To: References: <28CC1F6C-4690-4C82-866D-D4E2CE9D36A6@bowers.com> Message-ID: <20160427103939.GA30428@firedrake.org> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Neil Bowers wrote: >As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: >> The Greyfriar, Reading >> 8pm >> http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk Hope to make it this time! R From thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk Wed Apr 27 22:08:27 2016 From: thamesvalley-pm at unitedgames.co.uk (Andrew) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 06:08:27 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) References: <28CC1F6C-4690-4C82-866D-D4E2CE9D36A6@bowers.com> <20160427103939.GA30428@firedrake.org> Message-ID: <00b401d1a10c$002a32a0$0100a8c0@home> Yep, should be there. Andrew M ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Bell_West" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 27, 2016 11:39 AM Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Neil Bowers wrote: >As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: >> The Greyfriar, Reading >> 8pm >> http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk Hope to make it this time! R _______________________________________________ Thamesvalley-pm mailing list Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm From thisusedtobeanemail at gmail.com Thu Apr 28 11:21:00 2016 From: thisusedtobeanemail at gmail.com (LNATION .) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:21:00 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I think I am in the correct drinking facility all be it a little early. I'll have a couple of beers for some Dutch courage... On Wednesday, April 27, 2016, > wrote: > Send Thamesvalley-pm mailing list submissions to > thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thamesvalley-pm-request at pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thamesvalley-pm-owner at pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thamesvalley-pm digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) (Neil Bowers) > 2. Re: Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) > (Roger Bell_West) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:33:36 +0100 > From: Neil Bowers > To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers > Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th > April 8pm) > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: > > > The Greyfriar, Reading > > 8pm > > > > http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk > > Neil > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:39:40 +0100 > From: Roger Bell_West > To: thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday > 28th April 8pm) > Message-ID: <20160427103939.GA30428 at firedrake.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Neil Bowers wrote: > >As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: > >> The Greyfriar, Reading > >> 8pm > >> http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk > > Hope to make it this time! > > R > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 > *********************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On 28/04/16 19:21, LNATION . wrote: > I think I am in the correct drinking facility all be it a little early. > I'll have a couple of beers for some Dutch courage... > > On Wednesday, April 27, 2016, > wrote: > > Send Thamesvalley-pm mailing list submissions to > thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > thamesvalley-pm-request at pm.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > thamesvalley-pm-owner at pm.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Thamesvalley-pm digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) (Neil > Bowers) > 2. Re: Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) > (Roger Bell_West) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:33:36 +0100 > From: Neil Bowers > To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers > Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th > April 8pm) > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: > > > The Greyfriar, Reading > > 8pm > > > > http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk > > Neil > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:39:40 +0100 > From: Roger Bell_West > To: thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday > 28th April 8pm) > Message-ID: <20160427103939.GA30428 at firedrake.org> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 > > On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Neil Bowers wrote: > >As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: > >> The Greyfriar, Reading > >> 8pm > >> http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk > > Hope to make it this time! > > R > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 > *********************************************** > > > > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > From oliver at cpan.org Thu Apr 28 11:43:48 2016 From: oliver at cpan.org (Oliver Gorwits) Date: Thu, 28 Apr 2016 19:43:48 +0100 Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21E1CD26-DD77-460D-BF11-0B6CF5452ADD@cpan.org> See you there in a tic. Black cycling jacket. Sent from the moon. > On 28 Apr 2016, at 19:21, LNATION . wrote: > > I think I am in the correct drinking facility all be it a little early. I'll have a couple of beers for some Dutch courage... > >> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016, wrote: >> Send Thamesvalley-pm mailing list submissions to >> thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> thamesvalley-pm-request at pm.org >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> thamesvalley-pm-owner at pm.org >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Thamesvalley-pm digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) (Neil Bowers) >> 2. Re: Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) >> (Roger Bell_West) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:33:36 +0100 >> From: Neil Bowers >> To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers >> Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th >> April 8pm) >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: >> >> > The Greyfriar, Reading >> > 8pm >> > >> > http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk >> >> Neil >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:39:40 +0100 >> From: Roger Bell_West >> To: thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >> Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday >> 28th April 8pm) >> Message-ID: <20160427103939.GA30428 at firedrake.org> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >> >> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Neil Bowers wrote: >> >As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: >> >> The Greyfriar, Reading >> >> 8pm >> >> http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk >> >> Hope to make it this time! >> >> R >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Thamesvalley-pm mailing list >> Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 >> *********************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll have a couple of beers for some Dutch courage... >> >>> On Wednesday, April 27, 2016, wrote: >>> Send Thamesvalley-pm mailing list submissions to >>> thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >>> >>> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm >>> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >>> thamesvalley-pm-request at pm.org >>> >>> You can reach the person managing the list at >>> thamesvalley-pm-owner at pm.org >>> >>> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >>> than "Re: Contents of Thamesvalley-pm digest..." >>> >>> >>> Today's Topics: >>> >>> 1. Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) (Neil Bowers) >>> 2. Re: Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th April 8pm) >>> (Roger Bell_West) >>> >>> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> Message: 1 >>> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:33:36 +0100 >>> From: Neil Bowers >>> To: ThamesValley Perl Mongers >>> Subject: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday 28th >>> April 8pm) >>> Message-ID: >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: >>> >>> > The Greyfriar, Reading >>> > 8pm >>> > >>> > http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk >>> >>> Neil >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Message: 2 >>> Date: Wed, 27 Apr 2016 11:39:40 +0100 >>> From: Roger Bell_West >>> To: thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >>> Subject: Re: [Thamesvalley-pm] Reminder: meetup tomorrow (Thursday >>> 28th April 8pm) >>> Message-ID: <20160427103939.GA30428 at firedrake.org> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 >>> >>> On Wed, Apr 27, 2016 at 11:33:36AM +0100, Neil Bowers wrote: >>> >As a reminder, we?re getting together tomorrow: >>> >> The Greyfriar, Reading >>> >> 8pm >>> >> http://www.thegreyfriarreading.co.uk >>> >>> Hope to make it this time! >>> >>> R >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> Subject: Digest Footer >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Thamesvalley-pm mailing list >>> Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >>> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> >>> End of Thamesvalley-pm Digest, Vol 57, Issue 10 >>> *********************************************** >> _______________________________________________ >> Thamesvalley-pm mailing list >> Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org >> http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm > _______________________________________________ > Thamesvalley-pm mailing list > Thamesvalley-pm at pm.org > http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/thamesvalley-pm -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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