<p>Or more importantly perhaps, to contribute to the definition of 95% of market for the anti-undercutting rules surrounding H-1 visas. Much as I've loved creative titles in the past, I came to realize they don't do us any favors as industry professionals relative to what protections are afforded within the current regulatory framework.... ;)</p>
<p>Jeff Almeida - Seattle<br>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Oct 29, 2012 9:35 AM, "Kevin Esteb" <<a href="mailto:kesteb@wsipc.org">kesteb@wsipc.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Job titles are interesting. I have been doing this job for a long time. At one time I was a “Programmer Analyst”. My job was to write programs and all the surrounding operations code to the make the program run. At another time I was a “System Administrator”. The job was still the same, now, I am apparently an “Systems Engineer”. The job hasn’t changed much with the title change.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Job titles do have meaning with HR departments. Usually the pay scale is attached to the job title and usually HR departments like industry standards for job titles. Mostly so they can say they are paying 80% of the going rate for whatever industry you happen to be in. This has the tendency of quelling those pesky request for raises. I am sure the HR departments don’t have an idea on what to pay a “Sr. Software Hacker’, but they do for a ‘Systems Engineer’.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> spug-list [mailto:<a href="mailto:spug-list-bounces%2Bkesteb" target="_blank">spug-list-bounces+kesteb</a>=<a href="mailto:wsipc.org@pm.org" target="_blank">wsipc.org@pm.org</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Craig Steffler<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 29, 2012 8:55 AM<br><b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:scott.cilley@twistedevolution.net" target="_blank">scott.cilley@twistedevolution.net</a><br><b>Cc:</b> <a href="mailto:spug-list@pm.org" target="_blank">spug-list@pm.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: SPUG: Job Titles for Perl (and more) Programmers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt">Funny, usually the only real practical use for a job title is to include it on a business card and in most cases I've been the one who chose what to use. Whether it's Perl Developer, Perl Software Engineer, Software Engineer, Sr. Software Engineer, Sr. Software Hacker or whatever you're called by others the choice is pretty much whatever you feel comfortable with.<u></u><u></u></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">On Sat, Oct 27, 2012 at 10:42 AM, <<a href="mailto:scott.cilley@twistedevolution.net" target="_blank">scott.cilley@twistedevolution.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal">
On 2012-10-27 10:13, Joshua ben Jore wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">Most places I know just call this sort of beast a "Software Engineer."<br>Amazon will stuff it up a bit with "Software Development Engineer."<br>
<br>Josh<br><br>On Fri, Oct 26, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Tyler Hardison <<a href="mailto:tyler@seraph-net.net" target="_blank">tyler@seraph-net.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal">So I'm trying to get a poll of what people's titles are. Particularly<br>
if they're primarily working in Perl, SQL, Web, and engineering?<br><br>Even more helpful if you're forced to work in other languages such as<u></u><u></u></p></div><p class="MsoNormal">Here in the Army they are known as Software Engineers although the Army refuses to use Linux.<br>
<br>-- S<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><br><br><u></u><u></u></p><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0in">
<p class="MsoNormal">those out of the evil empire®.<br><br>Mainly I guess I'm trying to define what I do in an all encompassing title:<br><br>Linux SysAdmin (Only as needed for setting up dev environments)<br>Can compile Perl from scratch as needed.<br>
Understands threads.<br>Uses Moose.<br>Can whip up a Dancer app front-ended by nginx for SSL.<br>Can debug a .NET app if I'm help at gunpoint.<br>Can take a spec from a customer and wow them.<br>Understands Agile.<br>
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