SPUG: It *was* OK to speak baby Perl, but now what? [was Re: PerlWTF?]

Mark Swayne mark_swayne at charter.net
Sat Apr 10 09:20:02 PDT 2010


There is an interesting discussion about the merits of common::sense  
at StackOverflow:  Should I use common::sense or just stick with `use  
strict` and `use warnings`?


http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1625839/should-i-use-commonsense-or-just-stick-with-use-strict-and-use-warnings



On Apr 9, 2010, at 5:31 PM, "Michael R. Wolf" <MichaelRWolf at att.net>  
wrote:

>
> On Apr 9, 2010, at 2:45 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote:
>
>> $x //= 0;
>> $x-- if $x > 1;
>>
>> Disclaimer: The names of some scalars were changed to protect the
>> innocent.
>
> What did you change to protect the guilty?
>
> Silliness aside, I'm getting frustrated with my own coding style.   
> In other words, I'm growing.
>
> I used to allow undef to behave like zero, as documented, without  
> feeling the need to appease the pragma gods.
>
> Then I grew up to "use warnings" and perlcritic(1) as guard rails .
>
> Then I grew up and fought the restraints that were formerly called  
> safety devices, and became annoyed that I was serving these  
> linguistic structures instead of them serving me.
>
> When I was a child Perl programmer, I print'ed as a child.
> Now that I'm a growed-up Perl programmer, I 'say' as a growed-up.
> Etc...
>
> Perhaps I was too self-absorbed and well contented for a few years,  
> but recently I started reading about the discontent that's brewed  
> the likes of:
>    use Modern::Perl;    # chromatic
>    use Perl5i::latest;        # Schwern
>    use common::sense;    # Mark Lehmann
>
> And then I had this aha moment.
>    I don't have good coding habits.
>    I've got cult cargo habits.
>
> Why am I repeating magic incantations when my language of choice  
> should be doing that for me?  (I *am* starting to 'use Moose'.  BTW  
> - the next issue of "The Perl Review" will be exclusively devoted to  
> Moose.)  I have evolved.  Has my language evolved to meet me?
>
> Of course, it's not so black and white, but it got me thinking.   
> Thinking more than normal.  Especially in this pregnant pause while  
> we await the gestation of Perl6.
>
> So, my question to other Perl programmers, especially the thinking  
> ones, is....
>
> How is your "software practice" (doctors and lawyers shouldn't be  
> the only professionals with a practice) maturing to move beyond the  
> cargo cult practices of your days of writing baby Perl?
>
> Having asked the question, here's grist to start the conversation.
>
> Here's my growing edge...
>  use Moose;            # New for me...
>  use DBIx::Class;        # ditto
>  use 5.10;            # New for my client's platform...
>
> and what's still comfortable...
>  use Test::More;
>  use warnings;
>  use strict;
>
> and what's a bit beyond my comfort factor...
>  use Perl5i::*;
>  use Fatal;
>  use Test::Most;
>  use Perl6::*;
>
>
> Admittedly, I'm not a bleeding edge programmer in the community,  
> even though I've been around it for 15 years.  The bulk of my Perl  
> work has been in traning the next generation to move beyond Baby Perl 
> (tm) so that they may join the movement.
>
> I'm really interested to hear what folks at all the levels of Perl- 
> ish-ness are up to in their practice: from Baby Perl Programmers to  
> Monks.
>
> Thanks for sharing...
>
> -- 
> Michael R. Wolf
>    All mammals learn by playing!
>        MichaelRWolf at att.net
>
>
>
>
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