From tallpeak at hotmail.com Fri Sep 4 07:27:25 2009 From: tallpeak at hotmail.com (Aaron West) Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 07:27:25 -0700 Subject: SPUG: [Oct 3rd] FW: SQLSaturday #26 - Event Update Message-ID: Any MS-SQL fans here? I'm pasting the schedule so far below: http://www.sqlsaturday.com/schedule.aspx Submitted Sessions Here is the list of sessions submitted so far. Our goal is to feature as many different speakers and topics as possible, but space limitations prevent us from accepting every session. This list is also a great way for those thinking about speaking to see what might be on the agenda and enter a session that doesn't collide with an existing one. Title Speaker Level Asynchronous T-SQL processing Remus Rusanu Intermediate Compression in SQL 2008 Kalen Delaney Advanced Data Mining Beyond Adventure Works Mark Tabladillo Intermediate Exploring SQL 2008's Transparent Data Encryption Rob Garrison Intermediate Exploring SQL Server Column-Level Encryption Rob Garrison Intermediate Failover Clustering with Windows Server 2008 Allan Hirt Intermediate Hacking SQL / SQL Injection Arnie Rowland Intermediate Introduction to Data Warehousing / BI Robert Cain Beginner Introduction to SQL Server Integration Services Robert Cain Beginner Set-based Tips and Tricks Eric Wilson Intermediate SQL Server Full Text Searching - An Introduction Robert Cain Beginner T-SQL Best Practices Greg Larsen Intermediate Table Partitioning Scenarios Ron Talmage Intermediate The SQL Server Resource Governor Buck Woody Intermediate XML and Relational Databases Eric Wilson Intermediate From: sqlsaturday26 at sqlsaturday.com [mailto:sqlsaturday26 at sqlsaturday.com] Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 7:01 AM To: tallpeak at hotmail.com Subject: SQLSaturday #26 - Event Update _____ With about 30 days to go until SQLSaturday#26 at Building: THE MIXER, 15255 NE 40th Street, North Commons, REDMOND, WA 98052 we're still trying to get the news out to as many people as possible. Please take a moment to forward this email to friends and colleagues that might be interested. Remember, we have some topics of interest to developers that work with SQL Server and developers may well know someone else that might be interested - let them know! Here's our updated schedule of presentations: Track Starts Session Title Speaker For more information please visit SQLSaturday.com or email us at sqlsaturday#26 at sqlsaturday.com. Thanks! Team SQLSaturday _____ You are receving this message because you registered at SQLSaturday.com . Please contact us if you have any questions. Site hosting for SQLSaturday.com provided by SQLShare . -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skylos at gmail.com Mon Sep 14 23:29:28 2009 From: skylos at gmail.com (Skylos) Date: Mon, 14 Sep 2009 23:29:28 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Huh, well, to be honest... Message-ID: <3650cdc00909142329hd5ec0f0mb597ccb7185bfbe8@mail.gmail.com> Troll? Not so much. I really do want to be part of a perl user group. My former coworker Lowell used to be part of the perl user group down in phoenix and told me alot about it, some good stuff going on. We had alot of fun programming an application within DBIx::Class, mod_perl, CGI::Application and HTML::Template. Further, I think perl is the most awesome language - I want to do what I can to promote perl and help it move to the next level with version six. That and I like hanging with geeks who know what I do. Its kind of lonely being the programmer who knows perl in a place like Amazon. :P But I'm not the moderator. I can see in the archives that the list hasn't been very active - seemed to be more postings about professional conventions that may or may not be closely related to perl. So maybe its not all that any more and the heyday was back in 2003. Your call, Moderator. David http://dogpawz.com/ "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From brian at massassi.com Tue Sep 15 07:13:09 2009 From: brian at massassi.com (Brian E. Lozier) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 07:13:09 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Huh, well, to be honest... In-Reply-To: <3650cdc00909142329hd5ec0f0mb597ccb7185bfbe8@mail.gmail.com> References: <3650cdc00909142329hd5ec0f0mb597ccb7185bfbe8@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ec919520909150713l5deafc1dv674f6328e24b487c@mail.gmail.com> I thought Amazon had a lot of perl devs? On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Skylos wrote: > Troll?? Not so much. > > I really do want to be part of a perl user group.? My former coworker Lowell > used to be part of the perl user group down in phoenix and told me alot > about it, some good stuff going on.? We had alot of fun programming an > application within DBIx::Class, mod_perl, CGI::Application and > HTML::Template. ? Further, I think perl is the most awesome language - I > want to do what I can to promote perl and help it move to the next level > with version six. > > That and I like hanging with geeks who know what I do.? Its kind of lonely > being the programmer who knows perl in a place like Amazon.? :P > > But I'm not the moderator.? I can see in the archives that the list hasn't > been very active - seemed to be more postings about professional conventions > that may or may not be closely related to perl.? So maybe its not all that > any more and the heyday was back in 2003.? Your call, Moderator. > > David > http://dogpawz.com/ > > "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > ? ? POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > ? ?MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > ? ?WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From cjac at colliertech.org Tue Sep 15 09:40:17 2009 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:40:17 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Huh, well, to be honest... In-Reply-To: <73ac667f0909150938h1682dbe0x8cc88e7c41ca317f@mail.gmail.com> References: <3650cdc00909142329hd5ec0f0mb597ccb7185bfbe8@mail.gmail.com> <3ec919520909150713l5deafc1dv674f6328e24b487c@mail.gmail.com> <73ac667f0909150938h1682dbe0x8cc88e7c41ca317f@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <73ac667f0909150940r315498dh4e94ae2df168d7ba@mail.gmail.com> Well... he said "knows perl." There is a difference ;) Just kidding! Contact nphilbro. Tell him I sent you. On Sep 15, 2009 7:14 AM, "Brian E. Lozier" wrote: I thought Amazon had a lot of perl devs? On Mon, Sep 14, 2009 at 11:29 PM, Skylos wrote: > Troll? Not so much. > > I rea... > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > _____________________________________________________________ Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List POST TO: spug-list at pm.org SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From skylos at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 09:35:41 2009 From: skylos at gmail.com (Skylos) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 09:35:41 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Huh, well, to be honest... In-Reply-To: <3ec919520909150713l5deafc1dv674f6328e24b487c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3650cdc00909142329hd5ec0f0mb597ccb7185bfbe8@mail.gmail.com> <3ec919520909150713l5deafc1dv674f6328e24b487c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3650cdc00909150935v1d3715adp2cbd81f484e71b5c@mail.gmail.com> On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Brian E. Lozier wrote: > I thought Amazon had a lot of perl devs? > Once upon a time in an amazonian climate not so far away... Yes. But perl is now non-grata, due to an excess of bad program design implemented in perl that resulted in some truly spectacular failures and system opacity that led to the need to re-engineer entire systems at significant time and monetary cost. They didn't choose perl for the replacement. Now the perl is mostly limited to the Mason page render system and reporting scripts. Most of the actual services or applications are run by Java and C++. Of course, the actual problem was in the programmers, not in the language, but try and convince people that there are perl programmers who actually do know how to design applications... It frequently feels like everybody around is into Java, C++, or Ruby... even if they KNOW perl, they avoid it and try to talk their way into working in other languages. David "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From andrew at sweger.net Tue Sep 15 10:59:21 2009 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 10:59:21 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: meeting fail Message-ID: I have failed again. Back to work. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From brian at massassi.com Tue Sep 15 11:03:25 2009 From: brian at massassi.com (Brian E. Lozier) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 11:03:25 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Huh, well, to be honest... In-Reply-To: <3650cdc00909150935v1d3715adp2cbd81f484e71b5c@mail.gmail.com> References: <3650cdc00909142329hd5ec0f0mb597ccb7185bfbe8@mail.gmail.com> <3ec919520909150713l5deafc1dv674f6328e24b487c@mail.gmail.com> <3650cdc00909150935v1d3715adp2cbd81f484e71b5c@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3ec919520909151103g5d5721fdrb86451436cefa268@mail.gmail.com> Funny, that. I just left a job for one that has less benefits (same pay) because I get to use perl instead of PHP. I haven't had any luck with my job applications at Amazon (was laid off in Dec and have been doing contract work until recently -- all the while applying for full-time positions). I don't have any professional java experience, maybe that's why I never got a call back. On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 9:35 AM, Skylos wrote: > On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 7:13 AM, Brian E. Lozier wrote: >> >> I thought Amazon had a lot of perl devs? > > Once upon a time in an amazonian climate not so far away... Yes. > > But perl is now non-grata, due to an excess of bad program design > implemented in perl that resulted in some truly spectacular failures and > system opacity that led to the need to re-engineer entire systems at > significant time and monetary cost.? They didn't choose perl for the > replacement. > > Now the perl is mostly limited to the Mason page render system and reporting > scripts.? Most of the actual services or applications are run by Java and > C++. > > Of course, the actual problem was in the programmers, not in the language, > but try and convince people that there are perl programmers who actually do > know how to design applications... > > It frequently feels like everybody around is into Java, C++, or Ruby... even > if they KNOW perl, they avoid it and try to talk their way into working in > other languages. > > David > > "If only I could get rid of hunger by rubbing my belly" - Diogenes > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > ? ? POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > ? ?MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > ? ?WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From MichaelRWolf at att.net Tue Sep 15 17:41:18 2009 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 17:41:18 -0700 Subject: SPUG: meeting fail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3736CAB0-C8CF-4715-BB80-17EBE2933884@att.net> On Sep 15, 2009, at 10:59 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > I have failed again. Back to work. use no Self::Flagellation; -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From mail.spammagnet at gmail.com Tue Sep 15 18:08:20 2009 From: mail.spammagnet at gmail.com (BenRifkah Bergsten-Buret) Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2009 18:08:20 -0700 Subject: SPUG: meeting fail In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Andrew, I couldn't imagine attempting to coordinate SPUG meetings so I appreciate all your efforts. -- Ben On Tue, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:59 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > I have failed again. Back to work. > > -- > Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several > things can go wrong at once. > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From MichaelRWolf at att.net Wed Sep 16 14:46:10 2009 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:46:10 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Looking for local community Perl project Message-ID: <6B622072-D2D7-4070-8F54-676358322285@att.net> Someone who recently took my Perl class wants to get plugged into an Open Source project, preferably Perl, preferably local. Although he's new to Perl, he got good SW skills in other languages, so he's not a "rank newbie" on the coding side. Suggestions? -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From jos77 at bantychicken.com Wed Sep 16 16:39:34 2009 From: jos77 at bantychicken.com (Jos) Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 16:39:34 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Looking for local community Perl project References: <6B622072-D2D7-4070-8F54-676358322285@att.net> Message-ID: Yes. We have it running for the development project site at http://www.web-app.org/cgi-bin/index.cgi . We're currently working on v1.0. The bugs noticed by the public are posted in the bugs forum that is visible to the public. There are private forums where the current TO-DOs and bugs noticed by developers are posted. Anyone wanting to join the development team may do so by signing up for the site and then sending me an email to let me know so the status can be set so as to access the private forums and/or the CVS as needed. We do have a Savannah project extension set up as well but haven't yet made full use of all its features. I would like to see us use the bug tracking and feature planning systems there. Customarily we have used the forums. It's a great system with a lot of features and a community with a lot of members with ideas. We haven't traditionally had a lot of active coders all on the project at any given time but continue to hold hopes of that improving as we bring the core code more up to a standard that more educated Perl programmers can take seriously. Over the years there have been quite a few contributors, however. There is a lot more to do in the way of improving the script and probably always will be as the community tends to be more interested in adding features than in improving the important things that can't be seen. Jos ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Wolf" To: "Jos" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 3:30 PM Subject: Re: Looking for local community Perl project > Thanks. Is there a backlog of issues/features/bugs to work from? A place > to go looking around to get a feel for it? > > > -- > Michael R. Wolf > > On Sep 16, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Jos wrote: > >> How about WebAPP Automated Perl Portal? We're worldwide but I own the >> domain and manage the project. I'm local Pierce County. >> >> Jos > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael R. Wolf" Sent: Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:46 PM Subject: SPUG: Looking for local community Perl project > Someone who recently took my Perl class wants to get plugged into an Open > Source project, preferably Perl, preferably local. Although he's new to > Perl, he got good SW skills in other languages, so he's not a "rank > newbie" on the coding side. > > Suggestions? > > -- > Michael R. Wolf > From andrew at sweger.net Fri Sep 18 21:23:20 2009 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 21:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: Rakudo Perl 6 release 21 ("Seattle") Message-ID: Wow. I didn't expect this (I mean I expected the release, just not the naming it "Seattle"): particle writes > On behalf of the Rakudo development team, I'm pleased to announce the > September 2009 development release of Rakudo Perl #21 "Seattle". > Rakudo is an implementation of Perl 6 on the Parrot Virtual Machine. > The tarball for the September 2009 release is available from > http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/downloads . > > Due to the continued rapid pace of Rakudo development and the frequent > addition of new Perl 6 features and bugfixes, we recommend building > Rakudo from the latest source, available from the main repository at > github. More details are available at > http://rakudo.org/how-to-get-rakudo. > > Rakudo Perl follows a monthly release cycle, with each release code > named after a Perl Mongers group. September 2009 is code named > "Seattle" for the enthusiasm they have shown for Perl 6 during monthly > meetings, and the feedback, encouragement and support given me for the > past several years. > > Since the 2009-08 release, Rakudo Perl builds from an "installed > Parrot" instead of using Parrot's build tree. This release of Rakudo > requires Parrot 1.6.0. For the latest information on building and > using Rakudo Perl, see the README file section titled "Building and > invoking Rakudo". (Quick note: the "--gen-parrot" option still > automatically downloads and builds Parrot as before, if you prefer > that approach.) > > Also, unlike previous versions of Rakudo Perl, the "perl6" (or > "perl6.exe") executables only work when invoked from the Rakudo root > directory until a "make install" is performed. Running "make install" > will install Rakudo and its libraries into the Parrot installation > that was used to build it, and then the executables will work when > invoked from any directory. > > Some of the specific major changes and improvements occuring with this > release include: > > * Rakudo is now passing 15,497 spectests, an increase of 3,128 passing > tests since the August 2009 release. With this release Rakudo is now > passing 71.5% of the available spectest suite. > > * Rakudo now supports contextual variables. > > * Rakudo now supports the rational (Rat) data type. > > * Rakudo now supports overloading of many of the builtin operators, > many of which are now defined in the core setting. Many have also > been improved to be more faithful to the specification with respect > to types and coercions. > > * Substantially improved support for trait handling. Most of the "built- > in" traits are now defined in the core setting. > > * The %*ENV variable now works properly for modifying the process > environment. > > Since the Perl 6 specification is still in flux, some deprecated > features have been removed from Rakudo. Prominently among those are: > > * '=$handle' is deprecated in favor of '$handle.get' (one line) and > '$handle.lines' (all lines). > > * 'int $obj' is deprecated in favor of '$obj.Int'. > > The development team thanks all of our contributors and sponsors for > making Rakudo Perl possible. If you would like to contribute, see > http://rakudo.org/how-to-help , ask on the perl6-compiler at perl.org > mailing list, or ask on IRC #perl6 on freenode. > > The next release of Rakudo (#22) is scheduled for October 22, 2009. A > list of the other planned release dates and codenames for 2009 is > available in the "docs/release_guide.pod" file. In general, Rakudo > development releases are scheduled to occur two days after each Parrot > monthly release. Parrot releases the third Tuesday of each month. > > Have fun! From jerry.gay at gmail.com Fri Sep 18 22:34:26 2009 From: jerry.gay at gmail.com (jerry gay) Date: Fri, 18 Sep 2009 22:34:26 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Rakudo Perl 6 release 21 ("Seattle") In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1d9a3f400909182234l3270122do7d48ddc883c2a969@mail.gmail.com> thanks all, for your support. i'd love for you to give rakudo a try, if you haven't already. sure, it only passes 15k+ tests, but heck, for small, everyday problem-solving, that's kinda a lot. i'd really love to see more local folks give rakudo a try, and let me and the other devs know what you think. heck, it's not even that hard to become a rakudo developer, you can write the source for the operators in perl 6. i was really hoping to do a practice release live last tuesday night, and announce that i intended to name the september release after the emerald city, but i didn't get my shit together in time for a meeting (and neither did anyone else, for that matter). hope to see you all next month, and hear live and in person about your experience with the seattle release of rakudo. ~jerry On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 21:23, Andrew Sweger wrote: > Wow. I didn't expect this (I mean I expected the release, just not the > naming it "Seattle"): > > particle writes > >> On behalf of the Rakudo development team, I'm pleased to announce the >> September 2009 development release of Rakudo Perl #21 "Seattle". >> Rakudo is an implementation of Perl 6 on the Parrot Virtual Machine. >> The tarball for the September 2009 release is available from >> http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/downloads . >> >> Due to the continued rapid pace of Rakudo development and the frequent >> addition of new Perl 6 features and bugfixes, we recommend building >> Rakudo from the latest source, available from the main repository at >> github. More details are available at >> http://rakudo.org/how-to-get-rakudo. >> >> Rakudo Perl follows a monthly release cycle, with each release code >> named after a Perl Mongers group. September 2009 is code named >> "Seattle" for the enthusiasm they have shown for Perl 6 during monthly >> meetings, and the feedback, encouragement and support given me for the >> past several years. >> >> Since the 2009-08 release, Rakudo Perl builds from an "installed >> Parrot" instead of using Parrot's build tree. This release of Rakudo >> requires Parrot 1.6.0. For the latest information on building and >> using Rakudo Perl, see the README file section titled "Building and >> invoking Rakudo". (Quick note: the "--gen-parrot" option still >> automatically downloads and builds Parrot as before, if you prefer >> that approach.) >> >> Also, unlike previous versions of Rakudo Perl, the "perl6" (or >> "perl6.exe") executables only work when invoked from the Rakudo root >> directory until a "make install" is performed. Running "make install" >> will install Rakudo and its libraries into the Parrot installation >> that was used to build it, and then the executables will work when >> invoked from any directory. >> >> Some of the specific major changes and improvements occuring with this >> release include: >> >> * Rakudo is now passing 15,497 spectests, an increase of 3,128 passing >> ? tests since the August 2009 release. With this release Rakudo is now >> ? passing 71.5% of the available spectest suite. >> >> * Rakudo now supports contextual variables. >> >> * Rakudo now supports the rational (Rat) data type. >> >> * Rakudo now supports overloading of many of the builtin operators, >> ? many of which are now defined in the core setting. Many have also >> ? been improved to be more faithful to the specification with respect >> ? to types and coercions. >> >> * Substantially improved support for trait handling. Most of the "built- >> ? in" traits are now defined in the core setting. >> >> * The %*ENV variable now works properly for modifying the process >> ? environment. >> >> Since the Perl 6 specification is still in flux, some deprecated >> features have been removed from Rakudo. Prominently among those are: >> >> * '=$handle' is deprecated in favor of '$handle.get' (one line) and >> ? '$handle.lines' (all lines). >> >> * 'int $obj' is deprecated in favor of '$obj.Int'. >> >> The development team thanks all of our contributors and sponsors for >> making Rakudo Perl possible. If you would like to contribute, see >> http://rakudo.org/how-to-help , ask on the perl6-compiler at perl.org >> mailing list, or ask on IRC #perl6 on freenode. >> >> The next release of Rakudo (#22) is scheduled for October 22, 2009. A >> list of the other planned release dates and codenames for 2009 is >> available in the "docs/release_guide.pod" file. In general, Rakudo >> development releases are scheduled to occur two days after each Parrot >> monthly release. Parrot releases the third Tuesday of each month. >> >> Have fun! > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > ? ? POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > ? ?MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > ? ?WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > From cjac at colliertech.org Sat Sep 19 09:15:26 2009 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 09:15:26 -0700 Subject: SPUG: Rakudo Perl 6 release 21 ("Seattle") In-Reply-To: <1d9a3f400909182234l3270122do7d48ddc883c2a969@mail.gmail.com> References: <1d9a3f400909182234l3270122do7d48ddc883c2a969@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1253376926.24909.3405.camel@norseth> Is it in Debian yet? If so, where is the debian/ directory kept, and can I build the .deb from source off of most snapshots? On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 22:34 -0700, jerry gay wrote: > thanks all, for your support. > > i'd love for you to give rakudo a try, if you haven't already. sure, > it only passes 15k+ tests, but heck, for small, everyday > problem-solving, that's kinda a lot. i'd really love to see more > local folks give rakudo a try, and let me and the other devs know what > you think. heck, it's not even that hard to become a rakudo > developer, you can write the source for the operators in perl 6. > > i was really hoping to do a practice release live last tuesday night, > and announce that i intended to name the september release after the > emerald city, but i didn't get my shit together in time for a meeting > (and neither did anyone else, for that matter). hope to see you all > next month, and hear live and in person about your experience with the > seattle release of rakudo. > > ~jerry > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 21:23, Andrew Sweger wrote: > > Wow. I didn't expect this (I mean I expected the release, just not the > > naming it "Seattle"): > > > > particle writes > > > >> On behalf of the Rakudo development team, I'm pleased to announce the > >> September 2009 development release of Rakudo Perl #21 "Seattle". > >> Rakudo is an implementation of Perl 6 on the Parrot Virtual Machine. > >> The tarball for the September 2009 release is available from > >> http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/downloads . > >> > >> Due to the continued rapid pace of Rakudo development and the frequent > >> addition of new Perl 6 features and bugfixes, we recommend building > >> Rakudo from the latest source, available from the main repository at > >> github. More details are available at > >> http://rakudo.org/how-to-get-rakudo. > >> > >> Rakudo Perl follows a monthly release cycle, with each release code > >> named after a Perl Mongers group. September 2009 is code named > >> "Seattle" for the enthusiasm they have shown for Perl 6 during monthly > >> meetings, and the feedback, encouragement and support given me for the > >> past several years. > >> > >> Since the 2009-08 release, Rakudo Perl builds from an "installed > >> Parrot" instead of using Parrot's build tree. This release of Rakudo > >> requires Parrot 1.6.0. For the latest information on building and > >> using Rakudo Perl, see the README file section titled "Building and > >> invoking Rakudo". (Quick note: the "--gen-parrot" option still > >> automatically downloads and builds Parrot as before, if you prefer > >> that approach.) > >> > >> Also, unlike previous versions of Rakudo Perl, the "perl6" (or > >> "perl6.exe") executables only work when invoked from the Rakudo root > >> directory until a "make install" is performed. Running "make install" > >> will install Rakudo and its libraries into the Parrot installation > >> that was used to build it, and then the executables will work when > >> invoked from any directory. > >> > >> Some of the specific major changes and improvements occuring with this > >> release include: > >> > >> * Rakudo is now passing 15,497 spectests, an increase of 3,128 passing > >> tests since the August 2009 release. With this release Rakudo is now > >> passing 71.5% of the available spectest suite. > >> > >> * Rakudo now supports contextual variables. > >> > >> * Rakudo now supports the rational (Rat) data type. > >> > >> * Rakudo now supports overloading of many of the builtin operators, > >> many of which are now defined in the core setting. Many have also > >> been improved to be more faithful to the specification with respect > >> to types and coercions. > >> > >> * Substantially improved support for trait handling. Most of the "built- > >> in" traits are now defined in the core setting. > >> > >> * The %*ENV variable now works properly for modifying the process > >> environment. > >> > >> Since the Perl 6 specification is still in flux, some deprecated > >> features have been removed from Rakudo. Prominently among those are: > >> > >> * '=$handle' is deprecated in favor of '$handle.get' (one line) and > >> '$handle.lines' (all lines). > >> > >> * 'int $obj' is deprecated in favor of '$obj.Int'. > >> > >> The development team thanks all of our contributors and sponsors for > >> making Rakudo Perl possible. If you would like to contribute, see > >> http://rakudo.org/how-to-help , ask on the perl6-compiler at perl.org > >> mailing list, or ask on IRC #perl6 on freenode. > >> > >> The next release of Rakudo (#22) is scheduled for October 22, 2009. A > >> list of the other planned release dates and codenames for 2009 is > >> available in the "docs/release_guide.pod" file. 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If so, where is the debian/ directory kept, and > can I build the .deb from source off of most snapshots? > > On Fri, 2009-09-18 at 22:34 -0700, jerry gay wrote: > > thanks all, for your support. > > > > i'd love for you to give rakudo a try, if you haven't already. sure, > > it only passes 15k+ tests, but heck, for small, everyday > > problem-solving, that's kinda a lot. i'd really love to see more > > local folks give rakudo a try, and let me and the other devs know what > > you think. heck, it's not even that hard to become a rakudo > > developer, you can write the source for the operators in perl 6. > > > > i was really hoping to do a practice release live last tuesday night, > > and announce that i intended to name the september release after the > > emerald city, but i didn't get my shit together in time for a meeting > > (and neither did anyone else, for that matter). hope to see you all > > next month, and hear live and in person about your experience with the > > seattle release of rakudo. > > > > ~jerry > > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 21:23, Andrew Sweger wrote: > > > Wow. I didn't expect this (I mean I expected the release, just not the > > > naming it "Seattle"): > > > > > > particle writes > > > > > >> On behalf of the Rakudo development team, I'm pleased to announce the > > >> September 2009 development release of Rakudo Perl #21 "Seattle". > > >> Rakudo is an implementation of Perl 6 on the Parrot Virtual Machine. > > >> The tarball for the September 2009 release is available from > > >> http://github.com/rakudo/rakudo/downloads . > > >> > > >> Due to the continued rapid pace of Rakudo development and the frequent > > >> addition of new Perl 6 features and bugfixes, we recommend building > > >> Rakudo from the latest source, available from the main repository at > > >> github. More details are available at > > >> http://rakudo.org/how-to-get-rakudo. > > >> > > >> Rakudo Perl follows a monthly release cycle, with each release code > > >> named after a Perl Mongers group. September 2009 is code named > > >> "Seattle" for the enthusiasm they have shown for Perl 6 during monthly > > >> meetings, and the feedback, encouragement and support given me for the > > >> past several years. > > >> > > >> Since the 2009-08 release, Rakudo Perl builds from an "installed > > >> Parrot" instead of using Parrot's build tree. This release of Rakudo > > >> requires Parrot 1.6.0. For the latest information on building and > > >> using Rakudo Perl, see the README file section titled "Building and > > >> invoking Rakudo". (Quick note: the "--gen-parrot" option still > > >> automatically downloads and builds Parrot as before, if you prefer > > >> that approach.) > > >> > > >> Also, unlike previous versions of Rakudo Perl, the "perl6" (or > > >> "perl6.exe") executables only work when invoked from the Rakudo root > > >> directory until a "make install" is performed. Running "make install" > > >> will install Rakudo and its libraries into the Parrot installation > > >> that was used to build it, and then the executables will work when > > >> invoked from any directory. > > >> > > >> Some of the specific major changes and improvements occuring with this > > >> release include: > > >> > > >> * Rakudo is now passing 15,497 spectests, an increase of 3,128 passing > > >> tests since the August 2009 release. With this release Rakudo is now > > >> passing 71.5% of the available spectest suite. > > >> > > >> * Rakudo now supports contextual variables. > > >> > > >> * Rakudo now supports the rational (Rat) data type. > > >> > > >> * Rakudo now supports overloading of many of the builtin operators, > > >> many of which are now defined in the core setting. Many have also > > >> been improved to be more faithful to the specification with respect > > >> to types and coercions. > > >> > > >> * Substantially improved support for trait handling. Most of the "built- > > >> in" traits are now defined in the core setting. > > >> > > >> * The %*ENV variable now works properly for modifying the process > > >> environment. > > >> > > >> Since the Perl 6 specification is still in flux, some deprecated > > >> features have been removed from Rakudo. Prominently among those are: > > >> > > >> * '=$handle' is deprecated in favor of '$handle.get' (one line) and > > >> '$handle.lines' (all lines). > > >> > > >> * 'int $obj' is deprecated in favor of '$obj.Int'. > > >> > > >> The development team thanks all of our contributors and sponsors for > > >> making Rakudo Perl possible. If you would like to contribute, see > > >> http://rakudo.org/how-to-help , ask on the perl6-compiler at perl.org > > >> mailing list, or ask on IRC #perl6 on freenode. > > >> > > >> The next release of Rakudo (#22) is scheduled for October 22, 2009. A > > >> list of the other planned release dates and codenames for 2009 is > > >> available in the "docs/release_guide.pod" file. In general, Rakudo > > >> development releases are scheduled to occur two days after each Parrot > > >> monthly release. Parrot releases the third Tuesday of each month. > > >> > > >> Have fun! > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From andrew at sweger.net Sat Sep 19 11:10:02 2009 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:10:02 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator Message-ID: It just dawned on me that spug-list does not have a backup list moderator. All new subscribers to spug-list have their subscription marked for moderation (any posts from that address are held in the moderator's queue). It cuts down especially on certain drivey-by targetted advertising. Is anyone available and willing to volunteer who can receive and react to list moderation notices in a timely fashion (~12 hours) and can make arrangements with me before Sunday night? I'll be visiting the largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the world's third largest fresh water lake without computers or networks for a couple weeks. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From andrew at sweger.net Sat Sep 19 11:38:18 2009 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 11:38:18 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: We have a volunteer. Thanks, C.J.! On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Andrew Sweger wrote: > It just dawned on me that spug-list does not have a backup list moderator. > All new subscribers to spug-list have their subscription marked for > moderation (any posts from that address are held in the moderator's > queue). It cuts down especially on certain drivey-by targetted > advertising. Is anyone available and willing to volunteer who can receive > and react to list moderation notices in a timely fashion (~12 hours) and > can make arrangements with me before Sunday night? I'll be visiting the > largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the world's > third largest fresh water lake without computers or networks for a couple > weeks. > > -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From MichaelRWolf at att.net Sat Sep 19 20:46:35 2009 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:46:35 -0700 Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > I'll be visiting the > largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the > world's > third largest fresh water lake without computers or networks for a > couple > weeks. OK. I'll bite. Just where is the world's third largest fresh water lake without computers or networks? -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From kurt.buff at gmail.com Sat Sep 19 20:50:40 2009 From: kurt.buff at gmail.com (Kurt Buff) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 20:50:40 -0700 Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sat, Sep 19, 2009 at 20:46, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2009, at 11:10 AM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > > >> I'll be visiting the >> largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the world's >> third largest fresh water lake without computers or networks for a couple >> weeks. > > OK. ?I'll bite. ?Just where is the world's third largest fresh water lake > without computers or networks? Off the top of my head - no research here, just memory - I'm guessing it's Lake Huron, Mackinac Island, but I don't know the lake on the island... Kurt From andrew at sweger.net Sat Sep 19 21:39:25 2009 From: andrew at sweger.net (Andrew Sweger) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 21:39:25 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > OK. I'll bite. Just where is the world's third largest fresh water > lake without computers or networks? The "without computer or networks" was not meant to be a qualifier for third-largest-fresh-water-lake. Sadly, I flunked all my English classes. Ryan Island on Isle Royale's Siskiwit Lake is the largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the largest freshwater lake (by surface area) in the world. I'm pretty sure I can find the largest lake on Ryan Island (even if I have to pour my canteen of water out somewhere) and put a rock there and call it the largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the largest lake on the largest island on the largest freshwater lake (by surface area) in the world. Clearly, I have a mission. Like all of my top secret missions, there will be no records of my travels or the many adventures that comprise these missions. Well, other than wild, exaggerated stories told over drinks. By the way, I think it's the mosquitos and flies that will be doing the majority of the byting. Uh, biting. Oh boy, we're in big trouble when the insects start byting and talking about O(n). It'll be just like the wet, misserable drive up the ALCAN on the way to Fairbanks in '86. That was the year I witnessed a swarm of mosquitos carry away a large yellow school bus full of children to never be heard from again. -- Andrew B. Sweger -- The great thing about multitasking is that several things can go wrong at once. From MichaelRWolf at att.net Sat Sep 19 23:45:21 2009 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 23:45:21 -0700 Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On Sep 19, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > >> OK. I'll bite. Just where is the world's third largest fresh water >> lake without computers or networks? > > The "without computer or networks" was not meant to be a qualifier for > third-largest-fresh-water-lake. Sadly, I flunked all my English > classes. Sadly, English wasn't *designed* by linguists. Its loose and flexible "grammar rules" are descriptive rather than prescriptive. Had it been designed, there would be more structural underpinnings, probably punctuation, to reduce ambiguities and increase expressiveness. -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From bill at celestial.com Sun Sep 20 09:46:09 2009 From: bill at celestial.com (Bill Campbell) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 09:46:09 -0700 Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20090920164609.GA14060@ayn.mi.celestial.com> On Sat, Sep 19, 2009, Michael R. Wolf wrote: > > On Sep 19, 2009, at 9:39 PM, Andrew Sweger wrote: > >> On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Michael R. Wolf wrote: >> >>> OK. I'll bite. Just where is the world's third largest fresh water >>> lake without computers or networks? >> >> The "without computer or networks" was not meant to be a qualifier for >> third-largest-fresh-water-lake. Sadly, I flunked all my English >> classes. > > Sadly, English wasn't *designed* by linguists. Its loose and flexible > "grammar rules" are descriptive rather than prescriptive. Had it been > designed, there would be more structural underpinnings, probably > punctuation, to reduce ambiguities and increase expressiveness. Early languages such as Latin were pretty structured with extensive differentiation in declension of nouns and adjectives, and conugation of verbs (I didn't learn much English grammer until I started taking Latin and French in 8th grade). As languages mature they tend to get less structured, and, to a degree, simplified. English is pretty much the mongrel child of Latin, Greek, and Germanic languages. Bill -- INTERNET: bill at celestial.com Bill Campbell; Celestial Software LLC URL: http://www.celestial.com/ PO Box 820; 6641 E. Mercer Way Voice: (206) 236-1676 Mercer Island, WA 98040-0820 Fax: (206) 232-9186 Skype: jwccsllc (206) 855-5792 The law becomes the weapon of every kind of greed. Instead of checking crime, the law itself is guilty of the evils it is supposed to punish. -- Frederic Bastiat, The Law From MichaelRWolf at att.net Sun Sep 20 16:04:08 2009 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:04:08 -0700 Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: <20090920164609.GA14060@ayn.mi.celestial.com> References: <20090920164609.GA14060@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Message-ID: On Sep 20, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Bill Campbell wrote: > On Sat, Sep 19, 2009, Michael R. Wolf wrote: >> [...] >> Sadly, English wasn't *designed* by linguists. Its loose and >> flexible >> "grammar rules" are descriptive rather than prescriptive. Had it >> been >> designed, there would be more structural underpinnings, probably >> punctuation, to reduce ambiguities and increase expressiveness. > > Early languages such as Latin were pretty structured with > extensive differentiation in declension of nouns and adjectives, > and conugation of verbs (I didn't learn much English grammer > until I started taking Latin and French in 8th grade). Me too! I remember using my Latin as a structure to observe my English. I still treat Perl as a human language, and use many English linguistic analogies when I teach Perl class. Adults learn best when building on prior knowledge, and what deeper knowledge can I draw upon than their grasp of English, even if (or especially if) it's a second language? I still remember asking my 9th grade English class if we could diagram sentences. She said that it's not taught that way any more, and I was disappointed. Reflecting back, that was an early indication of my interest in linguistics, grammars, and parsing theory. Perhaps this group could answer one of my unanswered questions from High School.... How would you diagram or parse this common English construct: The bigger, the better. The cheaper, the better. The newer, the better. I'll even expose the localizer, or implied phrase or pronoun that's implied (but not stated) in the context of the utterance, ("$_" in Perl terms, or "it" in English terms), but that still doesn't yield a sentence structure that I've seen diagramed The bigger the paycheck, the better. The cheaper the car is, the better the car is. The newer the potatoes, the better they are. Any help with my English, you linguists? And, to take a leap back to CS, what programming constructs does this remind you of? It sounds like a declarative language to me, and reminds me of an inference engine that I worked with back in my Bell Labs days. We'd give it some constraints and it would generate a "solution". OC-12 circuit boards come in multiples of 2 There are 5 slots in a card cage OC-12 and OC-3 boards can share a power supply T-1 and OC boards cannot share a rack OC-12 circuit boards can go in slots 1-3 Each site should stock 10% of board count as spares Boards take 6 weeks to repair OC-3 circuits can go in any slot The site is already configured with some equipment etc... How many of each is required? circuit board circuit board spares power cord power supply cooling capacity It reminds me of the class of puzzles with phrases like Joe does not like strawberries Sam is older than Leslie Allison and Leslie split a desert The youngest person likes chocolate What did each person have for dessert? What is the age order of the diners? And to take it another step... anyone know of inference systems, either in Perl or otherwise, that are presently being used? -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From MichaelRWolf at att.net Sun Sep 20 16:39:22 2009 From: MichaelRWolf at att.net (Michael R. Wolf) Date: Sun, 20 Sep 2009 16:39:22 -0700 Subject: SPUG: need another list moderator In-Reply-To: <20090920164609.GA14060@ayn.mi.celestial.com> References: <20090920164609.GA14060@ayn.mi.celestial.com> Message-ID: <028F755D-7D90-45CA-9E15-9ABA97214E6C@att.net> On Sep 20, 2009, at 9:46 AM, Bill Campbell wrote: > As languages mature they tend to get less structured, and, to a > degree, simplified. English is pretty much the mongrel child of > Latin, Greek, and Germanic languages. Could you define "mature" and "structured"? Just for the sake of discussion, I've heard that the "Culture of English"(tm) is to evolve in creative/practical ways that are not common in other languages. Specifically, we do not have a "regulatory board" for English, but French does. There are pros/cons on each side of this discussion. And for more discussion's sake, I read[1] that there is no such thing as an "advanced" language. We're familiar with technology being more- or less-advanced (bronze age, iron age, etc), but even less- technoligically advanced societies have languages that are every bit as advaned as more-advanced societies. As an example, they mentioned the Maoiri, a society that had not learned to use metals when first discovered by Europeans, but their language had as many distinctions as European languages. They may have been on different dimensions (e.g. tense, honorifics, caste level of speaker, listener, object; intention; whether it's first-hand experience, second-hand observation, or third-hand heresay), but (as any non-trivial language translation will soon uncover) for every dimension lacking in the comparison in one direction, another dimension was lacking in the opposite direction. For example, a language that would lack the fine temporal disctinctions (past imperfect subjunctive pluperfect) distinctions, it may have much more refined social distinctions (I, being of less class than you, refer to someone else of unknown class). Stated more simply: Lisp, assembly, HTML, and Perl aren't better or worse languages than each other, just solving different problems with different linguistic structures. I'm not sure how "mature" or "structured" may map into these languages as they "evolved". Michael Notes: 1 - "Language Myths", Edited by Laurie Bauer and Peter Trudgill -- Michael R. Wolf All mammals learn by playing! MichaelRWolf at att.net From sthoenna at efn.org Wed Sep 23 22:32:36 2009 From: sthoenna at efn.org (Yitzchak Scott-Thoennes) Date: Wed, 23 Sep 2009 22:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: SPUG: Rakudo Perl 6 release 21 ('Seattle') In-Reply-To: <1253376926.24909.3405.camel@norseth> References: <1d9a3f400909182234l3270122do7d48ddc883c2a969@mail.gmail.com> <1253376926.24909.3405.camel@norseth> Message-ID: <54013.97.113.82.128.1253770356.squirrel@webmail.efn.org> On Sat, September 19, 2009 9:15 am, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > Is it in Debian yet? If so, where is the debian/ directory kept, and > can I build the .deb from source off of most snapshots? For ubuntu (change jaunty as needed): sudo sh cat >/etc/apt/sources.list.d/parrot-dev.list deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sthoenna/parrot-ysth/ubuntu jaunty main deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/sthoenna/parrot-ysth/ubuntu jaunty main ^D apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.ubuntu.com --recv-keys 834C179E apt-get update apt-get perl6 parrot occasionally segfaults building rakudo under lpia - just retrying seems to work (though I don't know what all may differ from one try to another on the launchpad build farm). The dependencies aren't ideal; I think rakudo only needs libparrot1.6.0 and the library files from parrot-devel, but parrot-devel drags in all the parrot packages except parrot-doc. From pdarley at kinesis-cem.com Thu Sep 24 11:55:49 2009 From: pdarley at kinesis-cem.com (Peter Darley) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 11:55:49 -0700 Subject: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing Message-ID: <000c01ca3d48$a3cde5c0$eb69b140$@com> Folks, I'm looking at having to build some SPSS data files (.sav) automatically from our database, and would like to use perl to do it. However, there isn't anything in CPAN and my google fu has totally failed me. If anyone has any pointers as to where to look for info I would be mucho grateful. Additionally, if someone has experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn't be for several months however). Thanks, Peter Darley Kinesis CEM, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From cjac at colliertech.org Thu Sep 24 12:32:47 2009 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. 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Additionally, if someone has > experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a > budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn?t be > for several months however). > > > > Thanks, > Peter Darley > Kinesis CEM, LLC > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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However, there isn?t anything in CPAN and my google fu has > > totally failed me. If anyone has any pointers as to where to look for > > info I would be mucho grateful. Additionally, if someone has > > experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a > > budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn?t be > > for several months however). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Peter Darley > > Kinesis CEM, LLC > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dan at concolor.org Thu Sep 24 13:59:03 2009 From: dan at concolor.org (Dan Sabath) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:59:03 -0700 Subject: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing In-Reply-To: <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> References: <000c01ca3d48$a3cde5c0$eb69b140$@com> <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> Message-ID: <20090924205903.GB20445@fairehosting.com> CJ, SPSS is a statistical analysis package along the lines of SAS. www.spss.com Peter, you might want to start with this thread over at google groups http://groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.stat.spss/browse_thread/thread/b28a16fd478e4723?pli=1 particularly the entry that mentions this link http://pspp.benpfaff.org/conversion.html The Perl script that handles the conversion is available via the PSPP git repository. Regards, Dan On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 03:32:47PM -0400, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > Uhhm... What's SPSS? > > On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 11:55 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I???m looking at having to build some SPSS data files > > (.sav) automatically from our database, and would like to use perl to > > do it. However, there isn???t anything in CPAN and my google fu has > > totally failed me. If anyone has any pointers as to where to look for > > info I would be mucho grateful. Additionally, if someone has > > experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a > > budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn???t be > > for several months however). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Peter Darley > > Kinesis CEM, LLC > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From dbenhur at whitepages.com Thu Sep 24 13:54:34 2009 From: dbenhur at whitepages.com (Devin Ben-Hur) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 13:54:34 -0700 Subject: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing In-Reply-To: <4d8419da0909241235v71f760c0pc258447ad3652c75@mail.gmail.com> References: <000c01ca3d48$a3cde5c0$eb69b140$@com> <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> <4d8419da0909241235v71f760c0pc258447ad3652c75@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4ABBDC8A.80101@whitepages.com> Amit Sett wrote: > Statistical Package for the Social Sciences. Similar to SAS and R. > Creator is a Chicago company that's just been bought out by IBM. No, IIRC, the creators were individuals: Nie & Hull, doing graduate work at Stanford around 68-70. The company was founded to exploit the package commercially at least half a decade later. -- -Devin From cjac at colliertech.org Thu Sep 24 14:26:44 2009 From: cjac at colliertech.org (C.J. Adams-Collier) Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2009 17:26:44 -0400 Subject: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing In-Reply-To: <20090924205903.GB20445@fairehosting.com> References: <000c01ca3d48$a3cde5c0$eb69b140$@com> <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> <20090924205903.GB20445@fairehosting.com> Message-ID: <1253827604.25343.12.camel@norseth> There seems to be something related to GNU PSPP on the CPAN here: http://search.cpan.org/~pdonelan/PSPP-Perl-0.7.2.20090730/lib/PSPP.pm Project page on savannah: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/pspp C code here: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/pspp/pspp-0.6.0.tar.gz On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 13:59 -0700, Dan Sabath wrote: > CJ, SPSS is a statistical analysis package along the lines of SAS. > www.spss.com > > Peter, you might want to start with this thread over at google groups > > http://groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.stat.spss/browse_thread/thread/b28a16fd478e4723?pli=1 > > particularly the entry that mentions this link > http://pspp.benpfaff.org/conversion.html > > The Perl script that handles the conversion is available via the PSPP > git repository. > > Regards, > > Dan > > > On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 03:32:47PM -0400, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > > Uhhm... What's SPSS? > > > > On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 11:55 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: > > > Folks, > > > > > > > > > > > > I???m looking at having to build some SPSS data files > > > (.sav) automatically from our database, and would like to use perl to > > > do it. However, there isn???t anything in CPAN and my google fu has > > > totally failed me. If anyone has any pointers as to where to look for > > > info I would be mucho grateful. Additionally, if someone has > > > experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a > > > budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn???t be > > > for several months however). > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Peter Darley > > > Kinesis CEM, LLC > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From pdarley at kinesis-cem.com Fri Sep 25 08:41:15 2009 From: pdarley at kinesis-cem.com (Peter Darley) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:41:15 -0700 Subject: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing In-Reply-To: <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> References: <000c01ca3d48$a3cde5c0$eb69b140$@com> <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> Message-ID: <003a01ca3df6$9f1086b0$dd319410$@com> SPSS is Statistical Package for the Social Sciences. It's a program that does statistical analysis of data such as surveys, censuses etc. -----Original Message----- From: spug-list-bounces+pdarley=kinesis-cem.com at pm.org [mailto:spug-list-bounces+pdarley=kinesis-cem.com at pm.org] On Behalf Of C.J. Adams-Collier Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 12:33 PM To: Peter Darley Cc: spug-list at pm.org Subject: Re: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing Uhhm... What's SPSS? On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 11:55 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: > Folks, > > > > I?m looking at having to build some SPSS data files > (.sav) automatically from our database, and would like to use perl to > do it. However, there isn?t anything in CPAN and my google fu has > totally failed me. If anyone has any pointers as to where to look for > info I would be mucho grateful. Additionally, if someone has > experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a > budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn?t be > for several months however). > > > > Thanks, > Peter Darley > Kinesis CEM, LLC > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ From pdarley at kinesis-cem.com Fri Sep 25 08:59:18 2009 From: pdarley at kinesis-cem.com (Peter Darley) Date: Fri, 25 Sep 2009 08:59:18 -0700 Subject: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing In-Reply-To: <20090924205903.GB20445@fairehosting.com> References: <000c01ca3d48$a3cde5c0$eb69b140$@com> <1253820767.25343.8.camel@norseth> <20090924205903.GB20445@fairehosting.com> Message-ID: <005601ca3df9$23d40910$6b7c1b30$@com> Dan and CJ, Thanks for the pointers to PSPP. It's probably got what I'm looking for. Thanks, Peter -----Original Message----- From: Dan Sabath [mailto:dan at concolor.org] Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2009 1:59 PM To: C.J. Adams-Collier Cc: Peter Darley; spug-list at pm.org Subject: Re: SPUG: SPSS Data File Parsing CJ, SPSS is a statistical analysis package along the lines of SAS. www.spss.com Peter, you might want to start with this thread over at google groups http://groups.google.com/group/comp.soft-sys.stat.spss/browse_thread/thread/ b28a16fd478e4723?pli=1 particularly the entry that mentions this link http://pspp.benpfaff.org/conversion.html The Perl script that handles the conversion is available via the PSPP git repository. Regards, Dan On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 03:32:47PM -0400, C.J. Adams-Collier wrote: > Uhhm... What's SPSS? > > On Thu, 2009-09-24 at 11:55 -0700, Peter Darley wrote: > > Folks, > > > > > > > > I???m looking at having to build some SPSS data files > > (.sav) automatically from our database, and would like to use perl to > > do it. However, there isn???t anything in CPAN and my google fu has > > totally failed me. If anyone has any pointers as to where to look for > > info I would be mucho grateful. Additionally, if someone has > > experience with automating SPSS files, drop me a line and I may have a > > budget for some work if this project goes through (this wouldn???t be > > for several months however). > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > Peter Darley > > Kinesis CEM, LLC > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/ > _____________________________________________________________ > Seattle Perl Users Group Mailing List > POST TO: spug-list at pm.org > SUBSCRIPTION: http://mail.pm.org/mailman/listinfo/spug-list > MEETINGS: 3rd Tuesdays > WEB PAGE: http://seattleperl.org/