SPUG: English-speak about Perl-speak "for" loops

[Michael R. Wolf]

I've started seeing more code that uses 'for' for both kinds of loops.

 for(init; entry-condition; iteration) { block }
 for loop-variable (list) { block }

I know it doesn't confuse the compiler to use 'for' or 'foreach' in either
case, but it sure does make it harder to speak about.  For that reason, I
always used to write (and speak) "for" to refer to the C-style 'for' loop
and "foreach" to refer to the other one.  

If you use "for" for both Perl-speak styles, how do you English-speak about
it to avoid ambiguity?

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Michael R. Wolf
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