SPUG: Re: SPUG presentation
Michael R. Wolf
MichaelRWolf at att.net
Thu Jan 20 19:50:14 PST 2005
At 04:49 PM 1/20/2005, Trey Harris wrote:
>Thanks, I really appreciate the kind words.
>
>(Incidentally, I was trained as a linguist, so maybe you've got something
>there. As a Chomskyan, I really can't abide a Whorf reference with a
>straight face--but I suppose programming languages, as cultural artifact,
>are more amenable to such conjecture and don't require full acceptance of
>the Weltanschauung of the Sapir-Whorf Hypothesis. :-)
>
>Trey
I've been picking up linguistics on the side in the past few years. I'd
been quoting the Whorf statement for years before I started researching him
(or his detractors). I've backed off his statement a bit, but I still find
it very useful to start a discussion at the beginning of a programing
language class. It sets the stage for the kinds of constructs that the
language du jour (C, C++, shell, Perl, ...) can (and cannot) do well. A
brick is good for some things. It can even open a can, but only if a can
opener isn't available, and you're really hungry. Lots of folks in my
intro to language-du-jour classes find the discussion helpful as a
foundation for the rest of the class. And I find that having had that
conversation, I don't have to field as many off-topic (i.e. off-language
questions). Not that I mind some off-road travel, mind you. I, too, think
it's instructive to go over the edge to get a feel for just where it
is. The Whorf quote sets a nice framework for the class.
And I do appreciate you challenging the Whorfian hypothesis. It helps me
to fit his work into the larger linguistic framework, something I've been
actively studying for a while.
While we're on the linguistic/author subject.... What are your thoughts on
"The Language Instinct". I read it a year ago, and am currently in the
middle of "How the Mind Works". I've gotten even more interesting comments
about Pinker's thinking.
Perhaps we could even pick up a conversation over lunch some time?. It
would be interesting to me to engage a formally trained linguist in a
discussion of what's worth learning in the literature and where some of the
interesting work is going.
Thanks,
MIchael
Michael R. Wolf
All mammals learn by playing!
MichaelRWolf at att.net
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