From davidpa at mosaix.com Fri Oct 1 00:40:34 1999 From: davidpa at mosaix.com (Patterson, David) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: perl to be re-written in c++? Message-ID: What a wonderful idea. Just think of all the objects they could allocate on the heap! Rather like lighting up a smoke in the Hindenburg, if you ask me... "All I want is a warm bed, a kind word and unlimited power ..." > David Patterson > Software Engineer > Lucent Technologies, Inc. > 6464 185th Ave NE > Redmond, WA 98052-6736 > 425-558-8008 x 2172 > 206-980-0550 Pgr > davidpa@lucent.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: William Julien [SMTP:moonbeam@catmanor.com] > Sent: Thursday, September 30, 1999 9:14 PM > To: spug-list@pm.org > Subject: SPUG: perl to be re-written in c++? > > Perl to be rewritten in c++ ? > > "So, we're left with C++. It's rather like the comment that I believe > Winston Churchill is reported to have said about democracy: It's > absolutely the worst system except for all the others. So, C++ is the > worst language we could have chosen, except for all the others." > > Be afraid -- be very afraid. > > http://www.perl.com/pub/1999/09/topaz.html?wwwrrr_19990928.txt > > _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; > /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' > < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com > `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ > __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. > (,__....----''' (,..--'' > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From seanow0 at email.msn.com Fri Oct 1 13:11:25 1999 From: seanow0 at email.msn.com (Sean) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: regex problems... Message-ID: <000a01bf0c38$60042710$bb0d379d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> I don't pretent to be an expert at Perl, so hopefully this isn't a silly question everyone but me knows: I'm doing some search & replace functions, and I've assigned some big strings of HTML to variables, and I've got a question about the s/// function: If I say: $snip=' Eww. sorry for the HTML problems. Actually I answered my own question -- I need to escape any characters in the variable I'd need to in the reg ex. However, once I got that far, I hit up against another question: why won't this work? $code =~ s/($x)(..)($y)/$y$2$x/gsi; Even if I type in plain text that I know is there, I get a false result. do I need to do anything special when mixing variables & text in an expression? BTW, I worked around this by assigning a variable the value ".." and using that instead, that seems to work ok. thanks again. ----- Original Message ----- From: Sean To: spug-list@pm.org Sent: Friday, October 01, 1999 11:11 AM Subject: regex problems... I don't pretent to be an expert at Perl, so hopefully this isn't a silly question everyone but me knows: I'm doing some search & replace functions, and I've assigned some big strings of HTML to variables, and I've got a question about the s/// function: If I say: $snip=' In a past life, I worked for the King County Public Library system. Their headquarters is located 4 blocks south of Lake Union (or 2 blocks from Razzamataz). The have a board room that the public can use for no charge after hours. It would be best if someone esle contact them about using their room. Their phone number is: 206-684-6606 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From mcglk at serv.net Fri Oct 1 14:30:43 1999 From: mcglk at serv.net (Ken McGlothlen) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: regex problems... In-Reply-To: "Sean"'s message of "Fri, 1 Oct 1999 11:11:25 -0700" References: <000a01bf0c38$60042710$bb0d379d@redmond.corp.microsoft.com> Message-ID: <87ogei7uak.fsf@ralf.serv.net> "Sean" writes: | If I say: | | $snip=' >In fact, could you post the actual code, plus the actual line in the text you're attempting to replace? OK, here's my code; and after a lot of trial & error I've actually found something that works: Here's the snippet of HTML I'm trying to find: Seattle and here's what I want when I finish: Seattle XX is a variable that changes with different categories but needs to be kept after the expression. And 'Seattle' could be anything -- and doesn't necessarily match the filename Here's my code: /usr/bin/perl -w # open the file and get my code. just pretend here, since I know that part. assume that $code equals the html code of a file. # get user input for 'seattle' filename and link text print "Display name to get image: "; chop($getimage=); print "Exact filename to get image: "; chop($getimagefile=); print "\n"; #assign variables to static code. yes some are dupes, but its easier to track $beforea=''; $aftera=''; $afterd=''; #run the expression to change the name the user requested to add an image & change the style (as shown in the code above) but keep the XX variable $code =~ s/($beforea)($getimagefile)($beforeb)(\w\w)($beforec)($getimage)/$aftera$get imagefile$afterb$4$afterc$getimage$afterd/gsi; print "$code"; So I figured out two things: 1. is that I can use parentheses on the left side of the expression but not the right (shown above) 2. is that I've found (\w\w) doesn't allow the expression to work -- instead I assigned a variable to equal '\w\w' and used that in it's place 3. is that my variables need to have special characters escaped on the left, but not escaped on the right (not shown above, the code above I think should work, but don't understand why it doesn't). Is it really necessary to change my $after variables to escape the '.' and '?' ? Or is there a cleaner way of doing this? The main reason for my asking is not only do I need to add images, but I also need to take them away, so I end up with 4 sets of variables, two escaped, and two unescaped. Very messy! Thanks again - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 1 18:05:01 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: FW: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! In-Reply-To: from "Padden, Greg" at Oct 1, 99 01:53:22 pm Message-ID: <199910012305.QAA09675@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 1 16:05:01 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 932 According to Padden, Greg: > (Re: King County Office Bldg, So. Lake Union) > It is a board room and has room for 25-30 people. Okay, I've left voice mail with them, and will see what they say. Seems like the proximity to the Razzmatazz might offer the prospect of attracting some new faces to our meetings! 8-} In the meantime, everybody please keep looking in your own companies, especially if they're located in Seattle, Bellevue/Kirkland, or Mercer Island, for possible locations for our future SPUG meetings. *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 1 18:21:05 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: FW: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! In-Reply-To: <199910012305.QAA09675@consultix.wa.com> from "Tim Maher/CONSULTIX" at Oct 1, 99 04:05:01 pm Message-ID: <199910012321.QAA09726@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 1 16:21:05 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2065 According to Tim Maher/CONSULTIX: > > According to Padden, Greg: > > (Re: King County Office Bldg, So. Lake Union) > > It is a board room and has room for 25-30 people. > > Okay, I've left voice mail with them, and will see what they say. They tell me that they stopped letting outside groups use their room several years ago, and they're wondering where I got such obsolete information and unrealistic expectations. So thanks, Greg, for the tip 8-}, but now we need to continue our search . .. -Tim > > Seems like the proximity to the Razzmatazz might offer the prospect of > attracting some new faces to our meetings! 8-} > > In the meantime, everybody please keep looking in your own companies, > especially if they're located in Seattle, Bellevue/Kirkland, or > Mercer Island, for possible locations for our future SPUG meetings. > > *==================================================================* > | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | > | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | > | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | > |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| > *==================================================================* > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From kevin at n2h2.com Fri Oct 1 18:28:10 1999 From: kevin at n2h2.com (Kevin Fink) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! In-Reply-To: <199909302146.OAA05346@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: As before, N2H2 would be happy to host the meetings. Advantages: * Downtown * Good bus access * Relatively large meeting room (about twice as big as when we last met here) * Internet connectivity * Computer * Data projector * Convenient for those of us that work at N2H2 :-) Disadvantages: * Expensive parking * Not much street parking * Difficult access - the building and elevators are locked in the evenings, so we have to shepherd people in The last of these disadvantages is a real pain, and I think a big part of why the group decided to move to the Hutch. Consider us a standing offer, though. Kevin On Thu, 30 Sep 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > >> Message submitted at: Thu Sep 30 14:46:04 PDT 1999 > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1900 > > SPUGers, > > We've had a good run in the great conference room at Fred's Cancer > Center, but all good things come to an end, and so has our free ride at > this location. (Darn! Just when some of us were starting to think that > we'd finally figured out the data projector! 8-} .) We'll be allowed > to stay through December, but after that, they'll want $100 from us for > each meeting. > > So we have a decision to make: 1) either start collecting dues, managing > accounts, and making rent payments, or 2) find a free alternative > location. I'm in favor of trying Option #2 first, which is where you, > the members, come in! > > If your company has a meeting room that you think we might be able > to use, please ask about its availability for our monthly meetings. > Thus far we've been meeting on 3rd Tuesdays, which I think should remain > our first choice, but we could shift to a different schedule if necessary. > > Also, I recommend we consider all possible venues; that includes > the grungy meeting room with the rickety chairs at your company, and > the super-deluxe Internet-equipped state of the art room at somebody > else's company. Naturally, we'll choose the best from our available > alternatives, considering location in addition to outfitting, but please > don't anybody refrain from asking for a particular room just because you > think we should be able to find a fancier one - that might not be true! > > Now I'll sit back and wait for all your emails containing offers > of meeting rooms to roll in . . . > > *==================================================================* > | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | > | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | > | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | > |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| > *==================================================================* > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Fink N2H2, Creators of Bess and Searchopolis Chief Technology Officer 900 Fourth Avenue, Suite 3400 http://www.n2h2.com/ Seattle, WA 98164 VOICE: 206-336-1501 / 800-971-2622 FAX: 206-336-1541 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 1 19:34:53 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! In-Reply-To: from "Kevin Fink" at Oct 1, 99 04:28:10 pm Message-ID: <199910020034.RAA09929@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 1 17:34:53 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 832 According to Kevin Fink: > > As before, N2H2 would be happy to host the meetings. > Thanks as always, Kevin, for your unflagging support for SPUG! But as you indicated, the elevator security has been a real problem in the past, both for the attendees and the N2H2 "hall monitors". This being the case, I think it's best to keep your location as a back-up site, in case we cannot find something more accessible. *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From charles.e.derykus at boeing.com Fri Oct 1 21:57:23 1999 From: charles.e.derykus at boeing.com (charles.e.derykus@boeing.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: regex problems... Message-ID: <199910020257.TAA29697@carios2.ca.boeing.com> > So I figured out two things: > 1. is that I can use parentheses on the left side of the expression but not > the right (shown above) > 2. is that I've found (\w\w) doesn't allow the expression to work -- instead > I assigned a variable to equal '\w\w' and used that in it's place > 3. is that my variables need to have special characters escaped on the left, > but not escaped on the right (not shown above, the code above I think should > work, but don't understand why it doesn't). > Is it really necessary to change my $after variables to escape the '.' and > '?' ? Or is there a cleaner way of doing this? The main reason for my > asking is not only do I need to add images, but I also need to take them > away, so I end up with 4 sets of variables, two escaped, and two unescaped. > Very messy! Right. Variables in the regex replacement don't need to to be escaped; in the regex pattern they do. for example: my $foobar = "... (*abc?) ..."; # Notice \Q operator to autoescape regex metacharacter's # See: perldoc perlop and look for \Q my $foo = "\Q(*abc?)"; # the replacement part $bar is full of metachar's but # doesn't need to be escaped. my $bar = "(*foobar?)"; $foobar =~ s/$foo/$bar/igs; Rgds, -- Charles DeRykus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From slagel at geospiza.com Sat Oct 2 14:51:40 1999 From: slagel at geospiza.com (Joe Slagel) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! References: <199910020034.RAA09929@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <37F6624B.E7FFE826@geospiza.com> SPUGers, If everyone likes the Hutch location, maybe it would be possible to solicit donations from companies that use perl to keep the room. I think I might be able to get my company to pitch in a little... - Joe -- +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | | Geospiza, Inc. | | Joe Slagel | 619 N 35 Street Suite 101M | | mailto:slagel@geospiza.com | Seattle WA, 98103 | | http://www.geospiza.com/people/joe | (206) 633-4403 | | | http://www.geospiza.com | +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Sat Oct 2 20:47:13 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! In-Reply-To: <37F6624B.E7FFE826@geospiza.com> from "Joe Slagel" at Oct 2, 99 12:51:40 pm Message-ID: <199910030147.SAA12890@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Sat Oct 2 18:47:13 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1676 According to Joe Slagel: > > SPUGers, > > If everyone likes the Hutch location, maybe it would be possible to solicit > donations from companies that use perl to keep the room. I think I might be > able to get my company to pitch in a little... Good point, but I think we'll continue to pursue free-rent as our best option. > > - Joe > > -- > +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > | | Geospiza, Inc. | > | Joe Slagel | 619 N 35 Street Suite 101M | > | mailto:slagel@geospiza.com | Seattle WA, 98103 | > | http://www.geospiza.com/people/joe | (206) 633-4403 | > | | http://www.geospiza.com | > +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From kevin at n2h2.com Sat Oct 2 21:11:07 1999 From: kevin at n2h2.com (Kevin Fink) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: We Need a New HOME! In-Reply-To: <199910020034.RAA09929@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 1 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > Thanks as always, Kevin, for your unflagging support for SPUG! But as > you indicated, the elevator security has been a real problem in the > past, both for the attendees and the N2H2 "hall monitors". This being > the case, I think it's best to keep your location as a back-up site, > in case we cannot find something more accessible. No problem. We are pursuing one other possibility (there is a conference room on the 5th floor - so no elevator access would be needed, but it is a shared building resource and I have to check on availability and price) and I'll let you know if that turns up anything. (N2H2 will pick up the cost - effectively making it free to SPUG). It doesn't have a 'net connection or projector, but given that it's so convenient for N2H2ers we can bring down a laptop w/ Ricochet and our projector very easily. Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Fink N2H2, Creators of Bess and Searchopolis Chief Technology Officer 900 Fourth Avenue, Suite 3400 http://www.n2h2.com/ Seattle, WA 98164 VOICE: 206-336-1501 / 800-971-2622 FAX: 206-336-1541 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Wed Oct 6 11:29:38 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Perl Help needed by Student Message-ID: <199910061629.JAA23218@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 6 09:29:38 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1093 According to Seattle PERL Users Group: > Hello, > > I am an MBA student in a Computer Concepts class. In this class, we are > required to > write some simple Perl programs. I am looking for help with this, and I am > willing to pay > for the service. Is there anyone in your group that might be able to help > with this? I can > be reached by e-mail at sduda@fore.com. Thank you. > > Sharon > ****************************************************************** > > Sharon Duda > Manager, Service Sales > FORE Systems, Inc. > 1000 FORE Drive > Warrendale, PA 15086 > Direct Dial: 724-742-7897 > Fax: 724-742-7855 > e-mail: sduda@fore.com > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Wed Oct 6 11:37:33 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Sorting Files by Mod. Times Message-ID: <199910061637.JAA23241@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 6 09:37:33 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1272 > ## print links > open (LINKS,"$data_path/$item") or die print"Can't open $data_path/$item"; > my @links = ; > close (LINKS); > @links = sort {$a cmp $b}@links; > foreach my $link (@links){ > my $reallink = $link; > $reallink=~tr/ /+/; > (my $name,my $url,my $description)= split(/\|\|\|/,$link); > print qq! > > What this is doing is sorting results alphabetically from the directory > instead of by newest entry. I was hoping you could help me with this I have > been pulling my hair out over it. You asked for alphabetic sorting when you said "sort {$a cmp $b}" ; I think what you want is "sort { (stat $a)[9] <=> (stat $b)[9]; }", so you can compare the files by their modification times (returned by the stat function). WARNING: I just made this up, and didn't test it! > > Thanks > Dan Hildreth > danhil@usinternet.com > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Wed Oct 6 11:40:19 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Contract Perl Programmer; Telecommuting Message-ID: <199910061640.JAA23278@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 6 09:40:19 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 892 According to Seattle PERL Users Group: > > SecurityPortal.com has an immediate opening for a part time Perl programmer. > All work to be done via telecommuting, flexible hours. Need experienced > programmer to develop back end web applications. Knowledge of CGI, PHP, > MySQL and Linux desired. Position pays $50/hr. > > > Interested parties please contact: > > Jim Reavis > SecurityPortal.com - the focal point for Security on the Net > jreavis@securityportal.com > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From sab at seanet.com Wed Oct 6 12:51:23 1999 From: sab at seanet.com (Scott Blachowicz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Sorting Files by Mod. Times In-Reply-To: <199910061637.JAA23241@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <003601bf1023$67ca6380$3471b6cc@voyager.sabami.seaslug.org> > You asked for alphabetic sorting when you said "sort {$a cmp $b}" ; > I think what you want is "sort { (stat $a)[9] <=> (stat $b)[9]; }", > so you can compare the files by their modification times (returned > by the stat function). I wonder if there'd be a big performance hit to doing that many 'stat' calls? Probably depends on how many files and how many times you sort them and how far out of order they are to start with, but maybe it'd be worth caching the mod times before sorting so you only stat each file once. %mod_time = (); @links = sort { ($mod_time{$a} || ($mod_time{$a} = (stat $a)[9])) <=> ($mod_time{$b} || ($mod_time{$b} = (stat $b)[9])); } @links; > WARNING: I just made this up, and didn't test it! Ditto! -- Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From dean at ero.com Wed Oct 6 23:14:00 1999 From: dean at ero.com (Dean Hudson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Sorting Files by Mod. Times In-Reply-To: <003601bf1023$67ca6380$3471b6cc@voyager.sabami.seaslug.org> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Oct 1999, Scott Blachowicz wrote: > %mod_time = (); > @links = sort { > ($mod_time{$a} || ($mod_time{$a} = (stat $a)[9])) <=> > ($mod_time{$b} || ($mod_time{$b} = (stat $b)[9])); > } @links; Here's a solution I posted to clp.misc a while ago, it basically does what you've got above in the current directory over a for loop, and prints pretty(ish) output. It's been tested. Hope it helps. # ----- code ----- # #!/usr/bin/perl -w use strict; my ( %m ); for ( sort { ( $m{$b} ||= (stat($b))[9] ) <=> ( $m{$a} ||= (stat($a))[9] ) } <*> ) { my ( $day, $mon, $yr ); ( $day, $mon, $yr ) = ( localtime $m{$_} )[3..5]; print "$_ => d:$day m:", $mon + 1, " y:", 1900 + $yr, "\n"; } # ----- code ----- # dean. -- dean hudson, research fellow, esoteric research organization - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From darren at u.washington.edu Thu Oct 7 15:48:56 1999 From: darren at u.washington.edu (Darren Stalder) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: No SPUG space at the University Message-ID: <8ibtaagamf.fsf@broca.biostr.washington.edu> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Well, I checked at the University for Meeting space. It would cost $30 per session for a room fitting 40 people with no projector and no net connection. This doesn't sound like something we would want. Darren - -- Darren Stalder/2608 Second Ave, @282/Seattle, WA 98121-1212/USA/+1-800-921-4996 @ Sysadmin, webweaver, postmaster for hire. C/Perl/CGI/Pilot programmer/tutor @ @ Make a little hot-tub in your soul. @ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.3a Charset: noconv Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.4, an Emacs/PGP interface iQCVAwUBN/0HNrQuaHP6LBjxAQFzRAP9GuCTnng0zPj8V7kkGGJxW0DvscbSkaT9 g7PonoWf5EXZPZj+OK95vY0ZLbD+zblZ+B0gqAQyH3Qoi+TA+9YNCjYGNpD73W+o HAoaonwW5c2N+aGpPKpFu+KswJeX7oxoSjYc6wmc5oH6XuagAKYPRQ0GYRY0GVg3 b6x1siG/G84= =uvuw -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Thu Oct 7 22:04:55 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Perl Cooks Needed! Message-ID: <199910080304.UAA27936@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Thu Oct 7 20:04:55 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1290 SPUG-ers, As long-time readers of this list will already know, we've been slowly working through the O'Reilly "Perl Cookbook" at our meetings. Accordingly, I'm putting out a "call for cooks", to see who might be interested in leading a discussion on one of the next Cookbook chapters, on Arrays, Hashes, or Pattern Matching, during the meetings scheduled for 10/19, 11/16, and 12/21. Of course, if anybody would like to volunteer to speak on any other topic, let me know what you have in mind and we can discuss that possibility also. Remember, we are a "Perl educational cooperative", and this format depends on volunteer speakers to make things work! VENUE UPDATE We will continue meeting at the 'Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center" at the South end of Lake Union through the rest of this year, but we're still looking for a new location for next year's meetings. *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Mon Oct 11 12:57:00 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) In-Reply-To: from "Mike Apgar" at Oct 11, 99 10:25:25 am Message-ID: <199910111757.KAA12841@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Mon Oct 11 10:57:00 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2222 SPUGers: The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at the SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an extremely popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely unpopular option for everybody else. So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? P.S. Although we won't necessarily be able to get a location with all the attributes we might want, we don't need to make an immediate decision until 1/2000 anyway, so we might as well keep hoping and looking! -Tim SPUG HOME DESIDERATA Minimum Requirements: easy highway access accommodation for up to 25 persons central to high-tech work locations (Seattle, Mercer Island, Bellevue) near restaurants/bars for post-meeting meetings Better: free and ample parking free access to meeting room (no escorts) Overhead Projector & Screen White-Boards Even Better: Internet access data projector comfy chairs Pie in the Sky: Free Beer Hot Tubs Free shuttle service to Rooftop Heli-Pad >SpeakEasy Says: > > Presuming everything "works out" we can > commit to every Third Tuesday starting > in November, 7PM-9PM. Hope this works > for y'all. > >Tim says: >Thanks for looking into this! A few points: 1) We don't actually need >a new location until Jan. 2000, and 2) although it would be very cool >to have an official professional reason to hang out at the SpeakEasy on >a monthly basis, I'm very concerned about the logistics of entering the >downtown area by car during rush hour and the availability of parking >in your vicinity, which will require some research and discussion. > >So for now, we're grateful for your offer of accommodation, and would like >you to keep that offer open while we consider our situation. ========================================================== | Tim Maher, Ph.D. Tel/Fax: (206) 781-UNIX | | SPUG Founder & Leader Email: spug@halcyon.com | | Seattle Perl Users Group HTTP: www.halcyon.com/spug | ========================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From schieb at cobaltgroup.com Mon Oct 11 13:10:34 1999 From: schieb at cobaltgroup.com (Brian Schieber) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199910111757.KAA12841@consultix.wa.com> from "Tim Maher/CONSULTIX" at Oct 11, 99 10:57:00 am Message-ID: <199910111810.LAA28791@beryllium.cobaltgroup.com> A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: text Size: 3591 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://mail.pm.org/archives/spug-list/attachments/19991011/adbf045a/attachment.bat From cmeyer at zipcon.net Mon Oct 11 13:40:34 1999 From: cmeyer at zipcon.net (Colin Meyer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199910111757.KAA12841@consultix.wa.com>; from Tim Maher/CONSULTIX on Mon, Oct 11, 1999 at 10:57:00AM -0700 References: <199910111757.KAA12841@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <19991011114034.B27184@sim.zipcon.net> Hey, we wouldn't even have to wander away from our meeting spot to get a beer! I am all for meeting at the Speakeasy, although my isp will remain to be zipcon. :-) -Colin. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ajalis at beryllium.cobaltgroup.com Tue Oct 12 11:13:09 1999 From: ajalis at beryllium.cobaltgroup.com (Asim Jalis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Eval Question Message-ID: <199910121613.JAA08522@beryllium.cobaltgroup.com> Why doesn't this work? #!/usr/bin/perl my $y ; my $x = "$y = &length(q{hello world});" ; eval $x ; print "[$y]\n" ; The output of this is [] Why isn't $y assigned a numeric value? Asim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From puckett at nwlink.com Tue Oct 12 11:40:38 1999 From: puckett at nwlink.com (Richard A. Puckett II) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Eval Question References: <199910121613.JAA08522@beryllium.cobaltgroup.com> Message-ID: <38036486.2706DDF7@nwlink.com> Asim Jalis wrote: > > Why doesn't this work? > > #!/usr/bin/perl > > my $y ; Replace: my $x = "$y = &length(q{hello world});" ; with my $x = '$y = length(q{hello world});'; Want to use single quotes here so variables aren't "interpolated". Also want to ditch the ampersand on "length". FYI, you can check $@ after the eval for possible errors. - Richard. > eval $x ; > print "[$y]\n" ; - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ajalis at beryllium.cobaltgroup.com Tue Oct 12 12:13:49 1999 From: ajalis at beryllium.cobaltgroup.com (Asim Jalis) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Another Eval Question Message-ID: <199910121713.KAA30391@beryllium.cobaltgroup.com> Richard A. Puckett II writes: > Want to use single quotes here so variables aren't "interpolated". > Also want to ditch the ampersand on "length". FYI, you can check > $@ after the eval for possible errors. Good point. Another question. #!/usr/bin/perl sub hello { my $y; my $x = q{ $y = shift @_; }; eval $x; print "y = [$y]\n"; print "@ = [$@]\n"; } hello(5); This prints: y = [5] @ = [] But replacing "shift @_" with "shift" results in: y = [] @ = [] Why is this? Asim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Tue Oct 12 12:25:01 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Another Eval Question In-Reply-To: <199910121713.KAA30391@beryllium.cobaltgroup.com> from "Asim Jalis" at Oct 12, 99 10:13:49 am Message-ID: <199910121725.KAA19468@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Tue Oct 12 10:25:01 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2053 According to Asim Jalis: > > Richard A. Puckett II writes: > > Want to use single quotes here so variables aren't "interpolated". > > Also want to ditch the ampersand on "length". FYI, you can check > > $@ after the eval for possible errors. > > Good point. > > Another question. > > #!/usr/bin/perl > sub hello { > my $y; my $x = q{ $y = shift @_; }; > eval $x; > print "y = [$y]\n"; > print "@ = [$@]\n"; > } > hello(5); > > This prints: > > y = [5] > @ = [] > > But replacing "shift @_" with "shift" results in: > > y = [] > @ = [] Please read the man pages; for example, "perldoc -f shift" would show you: shift ARRAY shift Shifts the first value of the array off and returns it, shortening the array by 1 and moving everything down. If there are no elements in the array, returns the undefined value. If ARRAY is omitted, shifts the @_ array within the lexical scope of subroutines and formats, and the @ARGV array at file scopes or within the lexical scopes established by the eval '', BEGIN {}, END {}, and INIT {} constructs. See also unshift(), push(), and pop(). Shift() and unshift() do the same thing to the left end of an array that pop() and push() do to the right end. > > Why is this? > > Asim > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Tue Oct 12 23:47:09 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Oct/Nov/Dec Speaker Announcements In-Reply-To: <199910130419.VAA25267@coho.halcyon.com> from "Seattle PERL Users Group" at Oct 12, 99 09:18:56 pm Message-ID: <199910130447.VAA21738@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Tue Oct 12 21:47:09 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3403 SPUGers, After a few weeks of begging and arm-twisting, one SPUG old-timer and two SPUG newbies capitulated (I mean volunteered) to lead enough Cookbook talks to see us through the Rest of the Millennium. So those of you who asked for "Cookbooks for Christmas" last year will enjoy most of the value of those presents before too much longer! The details follow. As usual, anyone interested in presenting a talk on any other Perl-related topic is welcome to pitch a proposal to: spug@halcyon.com. Also, we're still looking for a new hangout for next year; the list of desirable attributes is reproduced at the end. If you think you have a suitable location, contact us at spug@halcyon.com. OCTOBER MEETING (10/19): Array Cookery Colin Meyer (cmeyer@zipcon.net), a Seattle-based web developer, will lead a discussion on Chapter 4 of the O'Reilly Perl Cookbook, entitled "Arrays". NOVEMBER MEETING (11/16): Hash Recipes Bernard Wacher (bwacher@acm.org) is a technical consultant for the MAXIM Group, an international IT services provider. He'll be leading a discussion on Chapter 5 of the O'Reilly Perl Cookbook, entitled "Hashes". DECEMBER MEETING (12/21): Pattern Matching Dean Hudson (dean@ero.com) will lead a discussion on Chapter 6 of the O'Reilly Perl Cookbook, entitled "Pattern Matching". *In each case, attendees are strongly encouraged to read the Cookbook chapter beforehand and bring their questions to the meeting. LOCATION AND TIME The official meeting is from 7-9pm, followed by an optional meeting over adult beverages at a nearby facility. Our regular meeting place is currently at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center (FHCRC), in Room D1-084 (right behind the security desk at the main entrance). Check out the map at: http://www.fhcrc.org/admin/facilities/facplan/facinfo/maps.html, for the big picture, and then click on South Lake Union for a closer view. The main entrance is via the Thomas Building, which is marked as under construction, but it's now finished. The visitor's parking lot is marked (next to building 10). The address is officially 1100 Fairview Ave. N, but the main parking lot is at the end Ward St. LOOKING FOR NEW LOCATION! Our run at the Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center comes to a close with the end of the Millennium, so we are looking for new quarters, starting with our January 2000 meeting. We encourage our members to ask their employers about donating meeting space to SPUG! Anyone with a lead on a possible meeting room for up to 25 individuals, from 7-9pm one night per month, please contact Tim Maher. SPUG HOME DESIDERATA Minimum Requirements: easy highway access accommodation for up to 25 persons central to high-tech work locations (Seattle, Mercer Island, Bellevue) near restaurants/bars for post-meeting meetings Better: free and ample parking free access to meeting room (no escorts) phone line Overhead Projector & Screen White-Boards Even Better: computer with Internet access data projector comfy chairs Pie in the Sky: Free Beer Hot Tubs Free shuttle service to Rooftop Heli-Pad ========================================================== | Tim Maher, Ph.D. Tel/Fax: (206) 781-UNIX | | SPUG Founder & Leader Email: spug@halcyon.com | | Seattle Perl Users Group HTTP: www.halcyon.com/spug | ========================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From azurite at uswest.net Thu Oct 14 00:14:53 1999 From: azurite at uswest.net (Kathy) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: [Fwd: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd)] Message-ID: <380566CD.5714DFF8@uswest.net> I like he idea of having the meeting in a non-work environment, since it's less formal. The SpeakEasy Cafe has lots of room, but how noisy is it on a Tuesday evening? Can we use a network connection and display? Parking is probably bad, but they do have good Cappuccino. Thanks for finding it. Kathy - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Sean at DigiDot.com Wed Oct 13 11:07:38 1999 From: Sean at DigiDot.com (Sean Ruddy) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings References: <380566CD.5714DFF8@uswest.net> Message-ID: <3804AE4A.70BDD8BD@DigiDot.com> Speakeasy... sweet - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From devin at premier1.net Wed Oct 13 11:53:40 1999 From: devin at premier1.net (Devin L. Ganger) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) In-Reply-To: <199910111757.KAA12841@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: Pardon the lag on responding to this; it's been a busy week. :) On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at the > SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an extremely > popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely > unpopular option for everybody else. > > So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, > what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another > more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? Speaking as one of the 90% who doesn't show up (the last one I went to was the meeting with Larry Wall), I can state that I haven't been showing up precisely because of the locations. Granted, being up in the Monroe/Sultan area, I expect to have to do a bit more driving than the rest of y'all, but still, very little these days is worth a trip into downtown Seattle. Eastside is good. However, I realize I'm a special case. -- Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From davidpa at mosaix.com Wed Oct 13 13:56:35 1999 From: davidpa at mosaix.com (Patterson, David S (David)) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) Message-ID: You make an excellent point. I wonder how many more of the 'great unwashed' of the Eastside are not speaking up. Traffic going towards downtown during the evening rush hour is nightmarish even on a good day. The offer is still open for the Lucent facilities in Redmond. Dare I suggest we consider multiple venues? "Please solve your problems in advance so that we can help you better..." > David Patterson > Software Engineer > Lucent Technologies, Inc. > 6464 185th Ave NE > Redmond, WA 98052-6736 > 425-558-8008 x 2172 > 206-980-0550 Pgr > davidpa@lucent.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Devin L. Ganger [SMTP:devin@premier1.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:54 AM > To: Tim Maher/CONSULTIX > Cc: spug-list@pm.org > Subject: Re: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) > > Pardon the lag on responding to this; it's been a busy week. :) > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > > > The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at > the > > SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an > extremely > > popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely > > unpopular option for everybody else. > > > > So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, > > what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another > > more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? > > Speaking as one of the 90% who doesn't show up (the last one I went to was > the meeting with Larry Wall), I can state that I haven't been showing up > precisely because of the locations. Granted, being up in the > Monroe/Sultan area, I expect to have to do a bit more driving than the > rest of y'all, but still, very little these days is worth a trip into > downtown Seattle. > > Eastside is good. However, I realize I'm a special case. > > -- > Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services > One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them > One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... > motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From dragon at rpgamer.com Wed Oct 13 14:05:02 1999 From: dragon at rpgamer.com (Mike Tidwell) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: First post, be kind. :> On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Devin L. Ganger wrote: > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > > > The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at the > > SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an extremely > > popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely > > unpopular option for everybody else. > > > > So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, > > what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another > > more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? > > Speaking as one of the 90% who doesn't show up (the last one I went to was > the meeting with Larry Wall), I can state that I haven't been showing up > precisely because of the locations. Granted, being up in the > Monroe/Sultan area, I expect to have to do a bit more driving than the > rest of y'all, but still, very little these days is worth a trip into > downtown Seattle. > > Eastside is good. However, I realize I'm a special case. I jsut moved to Seattle a few months ago, and joined the SPUG list a few months before that. I currently live out in Bothell, and commute to downtown Seattle. Because I'm a typical 8-5'er, I commute by bus, but when i have to drive, it is really bad. To the point, I've driven downtown before at 7ish (for a mariner's game), and doing it even every week is not something I would look forward to. A partial reason why I don't go now.. but mostly because I become busy with a project, and forget... :> If it stays downtown, I'll most likely still try and come, but I'd like to express an opinion for the eastside as well. I-405 at 7pm is alot better off than I-5, from what I've seen these last two months, especially when sports or other events take place. _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ --Mike Tidwell President: RPGamer -- http://www.rpgamer.com Sysadmin: DreamHaven - http://www.dreamhaven.com ICQ: 9187899 Home Page -- http://www.dreamhaven.org/~dragon/ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From barry.sharp at boeing.com Wed Oct 13 14:20:58 1999 From: barry.sharp at boeing.com (Barry Sharp) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) Message-ID: <199910131920.MAA09276@calwah> Hey Tim, I feel I must echo Devin's comments. I also consider myself one of the 90% as you said who doesn't show up. As they say in the Real Estate business -- location, location, location. I don't live out so far as Devin (I'm in the Woodinville area) but it's still a great hike into downtown Seattle. In fact I/we have an old chicken barn located within my housing area which we collectively own/maintain. It has a fireplace, easy seats, a piano, and a kitchen facility and can easily seat 70-100 people and has sufficient parking space all around. Anyhows, I hadn't mentioned this before now because 1. It would cost about $50 per meeting and 2. It's NOT in Seattle, and 3. I was just plain hesitant about mentioning it. Could we assume that the 90% *might* show up if the location was 'right'? I certainly don't want to start a huge debate on this so please simply accept my comments in support of what Devin said so succinctly. Incidentally, I enjoy reading all the Perl questions/solns as they crop up over the weeks -- a very good forum in my mind. Regards... Barry Sharp The Boeing Company Share Service Group Engineering Operating Systems P.O. Box 3707 MC 7J-04 Seattle, WA 98124-2207 USA Tel: 425-865-6411 (USA) Fax: 425-865-2221 (USA) Email: barry.sharp@boeing.com (stable) bxs@sdc.cs.boeing.com (direct) > X-Authentication-Warning: happyfunball.pm.org: mjordomo set sender to owner-spug-list@happyfunball.pm.org using -f > Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999 09:53:40 -0700 (PDT) > From: "Devin L. Ganger" > To: Tim Maher/CONSULTIX > cc: spug-list@pm.org > Subject: Re: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) > > Pardon the lag on responding to this; it's been a busy week. :) > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > > > The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at the > > SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an extremely > > popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely > > unpopular option for everybody else. > > > > So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, > > what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another > > more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? > > Speaking as one of the 90% who doesn't show up (the last one I went to was > the meeting with Larry Wall), I can state that I haven't been showing up > precisely because of the locations. Granted, being up in the > Monroe/Sultan area, I expect to have to do a bit more driving than the > rest of y'all, but still, very little these days is worth a trip into > downtown Seattle. > > Eastside is good. However, I realize I'm a special case. > > -- > Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services > One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them > One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... > motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From fen_land at hotmail.com Wed Oct 13 14:37:22 1999 From: fen_land at hotmail.com (S ED) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) Message-ID: <19991013193722.19579.qmail@hotmail.com> I'm another one that dropped out of the meetings once they moved to Seattle. I always had great intentions, and then would wimp out because of the traffic. In fairness, I suppose that there were people that joined up once it moved out of the Eastside area too. Samantha ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From campbell at geospiza.com Wed Oct 13 14:53:34 1999 From: campbell at geospiza.com (Dave Campbell) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) Message-ID: <3804E33D.7074E778@geospiza.com> Having seen all the messages on this subject go flashing past, I am curious as to how the final decision will be reached. Is this in essence a 'vote' for a site, or is there an organizing committee that will ultimately decide? Personally, I began to salivate when I saw the original post about the Lucent facilities. Free, great facilities, easy parking, etc. Assuming there are no issues of shuttling people in and locked elevators, I don't see anything not to like. It does fit the site profile described in Tim's posts. I've never been to the Speakeasy, but a restaurant/bar/cafe (whatever it is) will certainly have ulterior motives in allowing a group to hold meetings there. Will there be a one drink minimum? Will we be bothered by noise or bother others? Since we are confessing our sins, I live in Bellevue and work in Seattle. Either East or West side is pretty convenient for me. I think the eastside has more parking and is somewhat easier to get to from across the water. The westside is probably closer to more people. Flip a coin! -dave -- David Campbell H: (425)747-4633 campbell@geospiza.com W: (206)633-4403 Geospiza, Inc. www.geospiza.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jope-spug at n2h2.com Wed Oct 13 14:50:21 1999 From: jope-spug at n2h2.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Unfortunately, it works both ways. Many of those of us who work in downtown Seattle rely on buses, rather than driving. So to get out to a meeting on the Eastside, we have to first take a bus home, then drive out to the Eastside... two hops, versus the single-hop drive-straight-from-work that I'm guessing (but have absolutely no numbers for =) is predominant among those who work on the Eastside. Taking this into account, it takes just as long to go to the Eastside. Yes, in a perfect world, a few people who park downtown would carpool the downtowners directly to the Eastside, making it a single hop. But you try coordinating that. (seriously! write a carpool scheduling CGI app, prove me wrong, and win the adoration of your fellow downtown SPUGers!) Alternatively: What are the costs and risks of having two subgroups? Are we big enough yet to support a split? Ooo, I can just see it now... SPUG vs. EPUG deathmatch! *Johnny Bravo-style karate chop* -jp On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Mike Tidwell wrote: > like to express an opinion for the eastside as well. I-405 at 7pm is > alot better off than I-5, from what I've seen these last two months, > especially when sports or other events take place. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jblizard at unigard.com Wed Oct 13 15:12:34 1999 From: jblizard at unigard.com (Jim Blizard) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) Message-ID: <497A0737D4DED111AC5B0001FA681179EFB949@UNIEXHAC.unigard.com> I am recently washed and would gleefully attend meetings if there were convenient. I work in Bellevue(near Microsoft) and live in Lynnwood. If an east side venue where available I would attend nearly every meeting. Jim Blizard -----Original Message----- From: Patterson, David S (David) [mailto:davidpa@mosaix.com] Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:57 AM To: 'Devin L. Ganger'; Tim Maher/CONSULTIX Cc: spug-list@pm.org Subject: RE: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) You make an excellent point. I wonder how many more of the 'great unwashed' of the Eastside are not speaking up. Traffic going towards downtown during the evening rush hour is nightmarish even on a good day. The offer is still open for the Lucent facilities in Redmond. Dare I suggest we consider multiple venues? "Please solve your problems in advance so that we can help you better..." > David Patterson > Software Engineer > Lucent Technologies, Inc. > 6464 185th Ave NE > Redmond, WA 98052-6736 > 425-558-8008 x 2172 > 206-980-0550 Pgr > davidpa@lucent.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Devin L. Ganger [SMTP:devin@premier1.net] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:54 AM > To: Tim Maher/CONSULTIX > Cc: spug-list@pm.org > Subject: Re: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) > > Pardon the lag on responding to this; it's been a busy week. :) > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > > > The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at > the > > SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an > extremely > > popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely > > unpopular option for everybody else. > > > > So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, > > what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another > > more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? > > Speaking as one of the 90% who doesn't show up (the last one I went to was > the meeting with Larry Wall), I can state that I haven't been showing up > precisely because of the locations. Granted, being up in the > Monroe/Sultan area, I expect to have to do a bit more driving than the > rest of y'all, but still, very little these days is worth a trip into > downtown Seattle. > > Eastside is good. However, I realize I'm a special case. > > -- > Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services > One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them > One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... > motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jope-spug at n2h2.com Wed Oct 13 15:17:12 1999 From: jope-spug at n2h2.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Speakeasy details In-Reply-To: <3804E33D.7074E778@geospiza.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Dave Campbell wrote: > I've never been to the Speakeasy, but a > restaurant/bar/cafe (whatever it is) will certainly have ulterior > motives in allowing a group to hold meetings there. Will there be a one > drink minimum? Will we be bothered by noise or bother others? Valid questions. First, for details on the Speakeasy itself, see... http://www.speakeasy.net/sitemap.html http://www.speakeasy.net/cafe.html They are a rather unique entity in Seattle, in that they are both a cafe and full-scale Internet provider, and one of (if not the?) oldest Internet cafe in town. Second, the offer was to hold meetings in their backroom, where they already regularly hold not-so-quiet events. No drink minimum was stipulated as part of the offer... although I suspect the average post-meeting per-person consumption is >1 anyway. BTW, I am in no way affiliated with Speakeasy, other than having a neighbor who happens works there. But he's a C++ programmer. *the crowd recoils in horror* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From rcroot at atl.com Wed Oct 13 15:24:39 1999 From: rcroot at atl.com (Rick Croote) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings References: Message-ID: <009001bf15b8$f9994340$27fa3b95@atl.com> I'm definitely one of the 90% that don't go to meetings. I'm fairly new to this group, and have watched the meeting announcements with interest, and some intent to go, but driving to Seattle! Suffice to say I haven't made it to that meeting yet. I work in Bothell, and live in Everett, and unfortunately don't have any better suggestions on locations, but would prefer something Eastside, or a lot farther North on the West side than downtown. Rick Croote rcroot@atl.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Wed Oct 13 16:14:36 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation Message-ID: <199910132114.OAA25961@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 13 14:14:36 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 3172 According to Dave Campbell: > > Having seen all the messages on this subject go flashing past, I am > curious as to how the final decision will be reached. Is this in > essence a 'vote' for a site, or is there an organizing committee that > will ultimately decide? Tim Says> "Hello, This is the Organizing Committee speaking, may I help you?" HISTORY During the 18 month life of SPUG, we've never had to worry about coming up with an egalitarian site-selection process before, for the simple reason that we've never simultaneously had more than one choice available to us! 8-} Things look a little different now! We currently have the following options: Fred's Cancer Center (for $100/night) SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle (although some have doubts about basic suitability) Lucent, in Redmond (520 and Redmond Way) fancy conference room, reportedly Maxim Group, Bellevue (520 and ?; near Bellevue Way, I think) only basic conference room? still awaiting details . . . A Chicken-Coop in Woodinville deluxe; $50/night I think that's the entire list, apart from our friends who've offered unthinkable accommodations in Shelton, Cheybogan, and Mauritius, but if I've accidentally left out a location, let me know. TIME TO SPLIT, LIKE AN AMOEBA? It's true, as we've bounced back and forth between Eastside and Westside locations, we've lost and found new members every time. I would have thought it suicidal to split the group into East/West factions last year, but now that we've got considerable momentum and 278 people on our mailing list, it might be worth trying a bifurcation of the group! I propose the following: we come up with a short-list of possible venues, representing the best options on each side of the Lake, and take a vote, in which each potential attendee would indicate their single favorite choice. For each side of the lake, we declare the biggest vote-grabber the winner, and proceed henceforth with two separate meeting schedules. POSSIBLE OUTCOMES If the votes were to come out 80% one-side, 20% the-other, I would expect that the minority population might have trouble recruiting speakers for their meetings, if they follow the current model of recruiting from within the ranks, but what the hell, that 20% wouldn't be traveling to the other side anyway, so they might as well try to move out on their own (maybe meeting every other month, etc.). Personally, I think the more likely outcome would be in the 60/40 range, which would give better odds for the viability of the separate sub-groups. THOUGHTS? What do the rest of you think about this plan? Let us know . . . *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* P.S. We're currently offering some free UNIX Shell training to Washingtonians; check out http://www.consultix-inc for details. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Wed Oct 13 16:33:28 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation Message-ID: <199910132133.OAA26142@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 13 14:33:28 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1123 According to Tim Maher/CONSULTIX: > Things look a little different now! We currently have the following options: > > Fred's Cancer Center > (for $100/night) > SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle > (although some have doubts about basic suitability) > Lucent, in Redmond (520 and Redmond Way) > fancy conference room, reportedly > Maxim Group, Bellevue (520 and ?; near Bellevue Way, I think) > only basic conference room? still awaiting details . . . > A Chicken-Coop in Woodinville > deluxe; $50/night > Actually, I did leave out a few other options here, and before people feel the need to remind me, let me say it was because of locked external doors and/or locked elevators. However, if we were to feel the need for more choices on one side of the lake or the other, those venues could be added to the ballot. ========================================================== | Tim Maher, Ph.D. Tel/Fax: (206) 781-UNIX | | SPUG Founder & Leader Email: spug@halcyon.com | | Seattle Perl Users Group HTTP: www.halcyon.com/spug | ========================================================== - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From stuart_poulin at yahoo.com Wed Oct 13 17:13:13 1999 From: stuart_poulin at yahoo.com (Stuart Poulin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation Message-ID: <19991013221313.20538.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Just wanted to mention that being part of the 90% no shows, I don't show because: 1. I'm on the eastside. 2. My Tuesdays are filled. It seems all groups that meet like to pick Tuesdays for their meetings. So it there were an eastside group, it would be great if the meetings were on some other day like a Wednesday. And maybe alternate weeks in the month with the Seattle side group. Just some thoughts. --- Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 13 14:14:36 PDT 1999 > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 3172 > > According to Dave Campbell: > > > > Having seen all the messages on this subject go flashing past, I am > > curious as to how the final decision will be reached. Is this in > > essence a 'vote' for a site, or is there an organizing committee that > > will ultimately decide? > > Tim Says> > "Hello, This is the Organizing Committee speaking, may I help you?" > > HISTORY > During the 18 month life of SPUG, we've never had to worry about coming up > with an egalitarian site-selection process before, for the simple reason > that we've never simultaneously had more than one choice available to > us! 8-} > > Things look a little different now! We currently have the following options: > > Fred's Cancer Center > (for $100/night) > SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle > (although some have doubts about basic suitability) > Lucent, in Redmond (520 and Redmond Way) > fancy conference room, reportedly > Maxim Group, Bellevue (520 and ?; near Bellevue Way, I think) > only basic conference room? still awaiting details . . . > A Chicken-Coop in Woodinville > deluxe; $50/night > > I think that's the entire list, apart from our friends who've offered > unthinkable accommodations in Shelton, Cheybogan, and Mauritius, but > if I've accidentally left out a location, let me know. > > > TIME TO SPLIT, LIKE AN AMOEBA? > > It's true, as we've bounced back and forth between Eastside and Westside > locations, we've lost and found new members every time. I would have > thought it suicidal to split the group into East/West factions last > year, but now that we've got considerable momentum and 278 people on > our mailing list, it might be worth trying a bifurcation of the group! > > I propose the following: we come up with a short-list of possible venues, > representing the best options on each side of the Lake, and take a vote, > in which each potential attendee would indicate their single favorite > choice. For each side of the lake, we declare the biggest vote-grabber > the winner, and proceed henceforth with two separate meeting schedules. > > POSSIBLE OUTCOMES > > If the votes were to come out 80% one-side, 20% the-other, I would expect > that the minority population might have trouble recruiting speakers > for their meetings, if they follow the current model of recruiting from > within the ranks, but what the hell, that 20% wouldn't be traveling to > the other side anyway, so they might as well try to move out on their own > (maybe meeting every other month, etc.). Personally, I think the more > likely outcome would be in the 60/40 range, which would give better odds > for the viability of the separate sub-groups. > > THOUGHTS? > > What do the rest of you think about this plan? Let us know . . . > > *==================================================================* > | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | > | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | > | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | > |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| > *==================================================================* > P.S. We're currently offering some free UNIX Shell training to > Washingtonians; check out http://www.consultix-inc for details. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Robert.Abarbanel at pss.boeing.com Wed Oct 13 17:23:45 1999 From: Robert.Abarbanel at pss.boeing.com (Abarbanel, Robert) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) Message-ID: <618FD3AF120DD111A27900805F19D9C406318778@xch-blv-03.ca.boeing.com> I live and work on the Eastside. That is my preference as well. > ---------- > From: Jim Blizard[SMTP:jblizard@unigard.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 1:12 PM > To: spug-list@pm.org > Subject: RE: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) > > > I am recently washed and would gleefully attend meetings if there were > convenient. I work in Bellevue(near Microsoft) and live in Lynnwood. If an > east side venue where available I would attend nearly every meeting. > > Jim Blizard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Patterson, David S (David) [mailto:davidpa@mosaix.com] > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 11:57 AM > To: 'Devin L. Ganger'; Tim Maher/CONSULTIX > Cc: spug-list@pm.org > Subject: RE: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) > > > You make an excellent point. > > I wonder how many more of the 'great unwashed' of the Eastside are > not speaking up. Traffic going towards downtown during the evening rush > hour is nightmarish even on a good day. > > The offer is still open for the Lucent facilities in Redmond. Dare I > suggest > we consider multiple venues? > > "Please solve your problems in advance so that we can help > you better..." > > > David Patterson > > Software Engineer > > Lucent Technologies, Inc. > > 6464 185th Ave NE > > Redmond, WA 98052-6736 > > 425-558-8008 x 2172 > > 206-980-0550 Pgr > > davidpa@lucent.com > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Devin L. Ganger [SMTP:devin@premier1.net] > > Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:54 AM > > To: Tim Maher/CONSULTIX > > Cc: spug-list@pm.org > > Subject: Re: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) > > > > Pardon the lag on responding to this; it's been a busy week. :) > > > > On Mon, 11 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > > > > > The following note confirms that we could hold our future meetings at > > the > > > SpeakEasy cafe, in downtown Seattle. I figure this would be an > > extremely > > > popular option for those working in the downtown area, and an extremely > > > unpopular option for everybody else. > > > > > > So, those (10%) of you on this list who actually attend our meetings, > > > what do you think? And more importantly, can you offer us another > > > more suitable meeting place, or a suggestion where we could find one? > > > > Speaking as one of the 90% who doesn't show up (the last one I went to was > > the meeting with Larry Wall), I can state that I haven't been showing up > > precisely because of the locations. Granted, being up in the > > Monroe/Sultan area, I expect to have to do a bit more driving than the > > rest of y'all, but still, very little these days is worth a trip into > > downtown Seattle. > > > > Eastside is good. However, I realize I'm a special case. > > > > -- > > Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services > > One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them > > One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... > > motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver > > > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org> > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jshaffer at chronology.com Wed Oct 13 17:46:29 1999 From: jshaffer at chronology.com (Jamie Shaffer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation References: <199910132114.OAA25961@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <38050BC5.39F98638@chronology.com> Sounds good to me. I'm an Eastside 'lurker' who would like to attend something over here -- even every other month would be better than not being able to attend. -Jamie Shaffer Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 13 14:14:36 PDT 1999 > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 3172 > > According to Dave Campbell: > > > > Having seen all the messages on this subject go flashing past, I am > > curious as to how the final decision will be reached. Is this in > > essence a 'vote' for a site, or is there an organizing committee that > > will ultimately decide? > > Tim Says> > "Hello, This is the Organizing Committee speaking, may I help you?" > > HISTORY > During the 18 month life of SPUG, we've never had to worry about coming up > with an egalitarian site-selection process before, for the simple reason > that we've never simultaneously had more than one choice available to > us! 8-} > > Things look a little different now! We currently have the following options: > > Fred's Cancer Center > (for $100/night) > SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle > (although some have doubts about basic suitability) > Lucent, in Redmond (520 and Redmond Way) > fancy conference room, reportedly > Maxim Group, Bellevue (520 and ?; near Bellevue Way, I think) > only basic conference room? still awaiting details . . . > A Chicken-Coop in Woodinville > deluxe; $50/night > > I think that's the entire list, apart from our friends who've offered > unthinkable accommodations in Shelton, Cheybogan, and Mauritius, but > if I've accidentally left out a location, let me know. > > TIME TO SPLIT, LIKE AN AMOEBA? > > It's true, as we've bounced back and forth between Eastside and Westside > locations, we've lost and found new members every time. I would have > thought it suicidal to split the group into East/West factions last > year, but now that we've got considerable momentum and 278 people on > our mailing list, it might be worth trying a bifurcation of the group! > > I propose the following: we come up with a short-list of possible venues, > representing the best options on each side of the Lake, and take a vote, > in which each potential attendee would indicate their single favorite > choice. For each side of the lake, we declare the biggest vote-grabber > the winner, and proceed henceforth with two separate meeting schedules. > > POSSIBLE OUTCOMES > > If the votes were to come out 80% one-side, 20% the-other, I would expect > that the minority population might have trouble recruiting speakers > for their meetings, if they follow the current model of recruiting from > within the ranks, but what the hell, that 20% wouldn't be traveling to > the other side anyway, so they might as well try to move out on their own > (maybe meeting every other month, etc.). Personally, I think the more > likely outcome would be in the 60/40 range, which would give better odds > for the viability of the separate sub-groups. > > THOUGHTS? > > What do the rest of you think about this plan? Let us know . . . > > *==================================================================* > | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | > | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | > | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | > |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| > *==================================================================* > P.S. We're currently offering some free UNIX Shell training to > Washingtonians; check out http://www.consultix-inc for details. > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jope-spug at n2h2.com Wed Oct 13 18:41:57 1999 From: jope-spug at n2h2.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: alternate meeting night In-Reply-To: <19991013221313.20538.rocketmail@web116.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Stuart Poulin wrote: > My Tuesdays are filled. It seems all groups that meet like > to pick Tuesdays for their meetings. So it there were an eastside > group, it would be great if the meetings were on some other day > like a Wednesday. Note: SeaJUG (Seattle Java Users Group) is third Wednesday of every month. Not that I'e been to one of those in a looooong time. =) > And maybe alternate weeks in the month with the Seattle side group. (Not sure if this is what you just said...) One side meet first week of the month, the other side meet third week. That way diehards and dual-worlders can attend both. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ross at filmworks.com Wed Oct 13 19:11:54 1999 From: ross at filmworks.com (Ross Morrissey) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation In-Reply-To: <199910132114.OAA25961@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <000001bf15d8$ba21f4d0$4b0110ac@sylvester.filmworks.com> Of course we'll vote in person at the next meeting, right :) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From slagel at geospiza.com Wed Oct 13 19:28:18 1999 From: slagel at geospiza.com (Joe Slagel) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation Message-ID: <380523A2.5D8A9174@geospiza.com> Skip the bifuraction....SPUG is not large enough. How about East Side one month, Downtown the next... -- +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ | | Geospiza, Inc. | | Joe Slagel | 619 N 35 Street Suite 101M | | mailto:slagel@geospiza.com | Seattle WA, 98103 | | http://www.geospiza.com/people/joe | (206) 633-4403 | | | http://www.geospiza.com | +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Wed Oct 13 22:24:24 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:35 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation In-Reply-To: <380523A2.5D8A9174@geospiza.com> from "Joe Slagel" at Oct 13, 99 05:28:18 pm Message-ID: <199910140324.UAA03621@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 13 20:24:24 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1700 According to Joe Slagel: > > Skip the bifuraction....SPUG is not large enough. Not sure you're right about that; there are indications that for every two people who show up at a meeting, there's one staying home on the other side of the lake. (Not to mention the 248 others who are content to lurk on the list.) > > How about East Side one month, Downtown the next... > That might be a good idea too ! Apart from the fact that it requires us to book two meeting places, and we're having enough trouble finding *one* with the right stuff! However, this model would seem a good way to test the bifurcation concept without really splitting us up, while allowing an easy transition to a split, if that should prove to be desirable. I like it! -Tim > -- > +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > | | Geospiza, Inc. | > | Joe Slagel | 619 N 35 Street Suite 101M | > | mailto:slagel@geospiza.com | Seattle WA, 98103 | > | http://www.geospiza.com/people/joe | (206) 633-4403 | > | | http://www.geospiza.com | > +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Sean at DigiDot.com Thu Oct 14 12:15:23 1999 From: Sean at DigiDot.com (Sean Ruddy) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation References: <199910140324.UAA03621@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <38060FAB.2C535466@DigiDot.com> *Just a thought* Video conference? The speakeasy has a screen and some people who use the facility have a projector (but it is not the Speakeasy's projector so we would have to talk them into it). Then we would just need a video camera and a laptop (with a proper video card) to complete the Speakeasy side of things because they already have the ethernet connection. I would imagine Lucent would already have all of these nifty toys in their facility? Any body on here from Real Networks want to pony up some bandwidth on one of their servers as a demo so that if any one misses the meeting they could watch it on their computer? I have found these meetings to be very useful. I spend 10-14 hours a day at work and I ride my bike back and forth so getting off early to make the meeting is hard enough. I know I will not make it to the east side but would regret missing the user group meeting. I'm sure that many people on the East side will miss the meetings downtown. Splitting it up would mean that we would need two speakers every month. Alternating months would mean that many of us would miss half. This is a tech hurdle compromise. With 250 techies we should be able to get through this hurdle? Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > >> Message submitted at: Wed Oct 13 20:24:24 PDT 1999 > X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Length: 1700 > > According to Joe Slagel: > > > > Skip the bifuraction....SPUG is not large enough. > > Not sure you're right about that; there are indications > that for every two people who show up at a meeting, > there's one staying home on the other side of the lake. > > (Not to mention the 248 others who are content to lurk on the list.) > > > > > How about East Side one month, Downtown the next... > > > > That might be a good idea too ! > > Apart from the fact that it requires us to book two meeting places, > and we're having enough trouble finding *one* with the right stuff! > > However, this model would seem a good way to test the bifurcation concept > without really splitting us up, while allowing an easy transition to a > split, if that should prove to be desirable. > > I like it! > -Tim > > > -- > > +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > > | | Geospiza, Inc. | > > | Joe Slagel | 619 N 35 Street Suite 101M | > > | mailto:slagel@geospiza.com | Seattle WA, 98103 | > > | http://www.geospiza.com/people/joe | (206) 633-4403 | > > | | http://www.geospiza.com | > > +--------------------------------------+-------------------------------+ > > *==================================================================* > | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | > | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | > | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | > |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| > *==================================================================* > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ryan at erwin.org Thu Oct 14 12:33:15 1999 From: ryan at erwin.org (Ryan Erwin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings Message-ID: Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Erwin To: spug@pm.org Subject: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) I also live in Bothell, actually I moved to Woodinville last week. It *never* takes me more than 40 minutes to get to the spug meetings and usually only takes about 25. For any of you who live on the Northend, don't take i5. Take Bothell/Lake City Way to Roosevelt (just after lake city) and follow Roosevelt through the UDist and down Eastlake. You will be downtown! No get to the meetings and stop your complaining... Later ryan [ryan@erwin.org] On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Patterson, David S (David) wrote: > You make an excellent point. > > I wonder how many more of the 'great unwashed' of the Eastside are > not speaking up. Traffic going towards downtown during the evening rush > hour is nightmarish even on a good day. > > The offer is still open for the Lucent facilities in Redmond. Dare I > suggest > we consider multiple venues? > > "Please solve your problems in advance so that we can help > you better..." > > > David Patterson - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From devin at premier1.net Thu Oct 14 13:03:10 1999 From: devin at premier1.net (Devin L. Ganger) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Ryan Erwin wrote: > No get to the meetings and stop your complaining... Granted, I may have taken this wrong because I've been wrestling with a recalcitrant server for the last 24 hours, but this came across (especially with the lack of a smiley, which it desperately needed) as needlessly condescending and rude. I cannot speak for anyone else, but when the call went out for opinions, I gave mine. In my case (and for a few of my co-workers), the current locations for the SPUG meetings make it not worth our while to go to, especially if we're going to be car-pooling and driving from Sultan to Everett to Seattle, back to Everett, back to Sultan. 522/Lake City Way, while often a good way to go, is often a lousy way to go as well. It's a toss-up. Input was requested. Input was given. Apparently, I brought up a valid point, gievn the amount of discussion that has ensured from it, as well as a few really stellar ideas that have resulted. Snide remarks just get in the way and don't do anyone any good. They often make it more difficult to come to consensus. Can we please make sure they don't enter into the discussion, lest someone get offended? -- Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From slagel at geospiza.com Thu Oct 14 13:28:07 1999 From: slagel at geospiza.com (Joe Slagel) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation References: <199910140324.UAA03621@consultix.wa.com> <38060FAB.2C535466@DigiDot.com> Message-ID: <380620B7.24F7430@geospiza.com> > I have found these meetings to be very useful. I spend 10-14 hours a day at > work and I ride my bike back and forth so getting off early to make the > meeting is hard enough. I know I will not make it to the east side but would > regret missing the user group meeting. I'm sure that many people on the East > side will miss the meetings downtown. Splitting it up would mean that we > would need two speakers every month. Alternating months would mean that many > of us would miss half. Wow! you must be busy if you wouldn't be able to make it across the water once every two months. - Joe - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From bobhilt at uswest.net Thu Oct 14 13:41:50 1999 From: bobhilt at uswest.net (Bob Hiltner) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation Message-ID: <007901bf1673$c712a040$75526dcf@crystal.sttl.uswest.net> As a mostly lurker, and infrequent, attendee, I can say it would be detrimental to attendance to move it around each month. How about every 2nd month that doesn't start with 'J' or 'A' at one location, then every other meeting at a different location except if the meeting falls on an even day? :-) The point is that hitting a moving target is harder enough that it would kill attendance from us who are less hard-core about making it. I love the meetings--it's just hard to fit them in. The one thing that would make them harder is to have to fit a moving target into my plans... simpler = better. -Bob >> How about East Side one month, Downtown the next... >> > >That might be a good idea too ! > >Apart from the fact that it requires us to book two meeting places, >and we're having enough trouble finding *one* with the right stuff! > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From kmeyer at aa.net Thu Oct 14 14:20:32 1999 From: kmeyer at aa.net (Kenneth W. Meyer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings Message-ID: <01BF163E.83A6E6C0@host188.207-55-127.aadsl.com> I live in North Seattle. I appreciate the kind offer from Mr. Lucent, and it would not bother me to go there. However, I would like to state that, in my substantial experience, going INTO downtown Seattle on I-5, at least from the North, is not so big a problem during evening rush as alleged, especially after 6 pm -- unless of course, there is a pile-up, or interminable construction project underway, which will bring any route to a stand-still. 520 inbound is probably bad news until quite late, but 90 is typically not so bad (ex Mariner's game nights). The really difficult thing is parking for less than a King's Ransom after one gets there. Hutch was fine on that account, but the Speakeasy area is hideous! Downtown is miserable, as well, except right around 6 pm, when the parking restrictions go off. Anyone living in Seattle environs is going to be a recluse if a little congestion is anathema to him/her. To check routes, I use 770 AM (traffic every 10 minutes on the minutes containing "7") and WebFlow (a program you can download from the DOT site -- it allows rapid updates of the freeway traffic map, because the map graphics are on your machine and the program just ftp's down data defining the cell colors to update the map. It's sort of like planning a military campaign. Here is a note that I previously sent to Tim, because I foolishly assumed that the site selection would be a "wham-bam" process. Perhaps you all will find some suggestions to debate here: Tim - Have you tried to contact the Java folks, who use a very nice "board room" in 1 Union Place. It is not clear to me whether a commercial outfit is picking up the tab and donating it to the group, or whether the place is available to people whose organizations inhabit the building, or what. The Delphi Users used to meet in the Mercer Island Community Center. Community Centers seem typically to have a charge ($20/hr. at one I have polled), but have some very nice facilities. I think that they typically also exempt certain organizations, as long as the meeting is open and non-commercial. Libraries are great places for meetings, but probably want to throw you out at 9 pm. That would be alright with me -- maybe start at 6:30. Most libraries have meeting rooms, though they vary in size. These are free to public meetings, as well. I kind of like the Speakeasy, but unless they have a separate meeting area, I really wonder about having meetings there. It can be noisy, and some nights they have music. I don't see how a group could walk in and expect the general public to "de-frag" to one side of the room so that the meeting could take place in a consolidated area. If you haven't cased this joint and gotten assurance that meeting nights are not music nights and that consolidated seating is possible, I would really look into the logistics there. Ken Meyer kmeyer@aa.net ---------- From: Ryan Erwin[SMTP:ryan@erwin.org] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 3:33 AM To: spug-list@pm.org Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings Date: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 10:23:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Ryan Erwin To: spug@pm.org Subject: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings (fwd) I also live in Bothell, actually I moved to Woodinville last week. It *never* takes me more than 40 minutes to get to the spug meetings and usually only takes about 25. For any of you who live on the Northend, don't take i5. Take Bothell/Lake City Way to Roosevelt (just after lake city) and follow Roosevelt through the UDist and down Eastlake. You will be downtown! No get to the meetings and stop your complaining... Later ryan [ryan@erwin.org] On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, Patterson, David S (David) wrote: > You make an excellent point. > > I wonder how many more of the 'great unwashed' of the Eastside are > not speaking up. Traffic going towards downtown during the evening rush > hour is nightmarish even on a good day. > > The offer is still open for the Lucent facilities in Redmond. Dare I > suggest we consider multiple venues? > > "Please solve your problems in advance so that we can help > you better..." > > > David Patterson - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From kmeyer at aa.net Thu Oct 14 14:30:24 1999 From: kmeyer at aa.net (Kenneth W. Meyer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings Message-ID: <01BF163F.E4AC21A0@host188.207-55-127.aadsl.com> When coming from Sultan, it would seem to me that the delta in frustration between the East and West side destinations in the Seattle area would be down in the noise layer. Also, complaining about congestion, how about the 25 mile backup's that have been exacerbated by the recently activated traffic light on Route 2 in Sultan. Seems residents there could use a little quid pro quo. - Kyot kmeyer@aa.net ---------- From: Devin L. Ganger[SMTP:devin@premier1.net] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 4:03 AM To: Ryan Erwin Cc: spug-list@pm.org Subject: Re: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Ryan Erwin wrote: > No get to the meetings and stop your complaining... Granted, I may have taken this wrong because I've been wrestling with a recalcitrant server for the last 24 hours, but this came across (especially with the lack of a smiley, which it desperately needed) as needlessly condescending and rude. I cannot speak for anyone else, but when the call went out for opinions, I gave mine. In my case (and for a few of my co-workers), the current locations for the SPUG meetings make it not worth our while to go to, especially if we're going to be car-pooling and driving from Sultan to Everett to Seattle, back to Everett, back to Sultan. 522/Lake City Way, while often a good way to go, is often a lousy way to go as well. It's a toss-up. Input was requested. Input was given. Apparently, I brought up a valid point, gievn the amount of discussion that has ensured from it, as well as a few really stellar ideas that have resulted. Snide remarks just get in the way and don't do anyone any good. They often make it more difficult to come to consensus. Can we please make sure they don't enter into the discussion, lest someone get offended? -- Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ryan at erwin.org Thu Oct 14 14:22:51 1999 From: ryan at erwin.org (Ryan Erwin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Sorry about that... I forgot to add the little :-) I was just offering a suggestion and being funny (i thought) Later ryan [ryan@erwin.org] On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Devin L. Ganger wrote: > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Ryan Erwin wrote: > > > No get to the meetings and stop your complaining... > > Granted, I may have taken this wrong because I've been wrestling with a > recalcitrant server for the last 24 hours, but this came across > (especially with the lack of a smiley, which it desperately needed) as > needlessly condescending and rude. > > I cannot speak for anyone else, but when the call went out for opinions, I > gave mine. In my case (and for a few of my co-workers), the current > locations for the SPUG meetings make it not worth our while to go to, > especially if we're going to be car-pooling and driving from Sultan to > Everett to Seattle, back to Everett, back to Sultan. > > 522/Lake City Way, while often a good way to go, is often a lousy way to > go as well. It's a toss-up. > > Input was requested. Input was given. Apparently, I brought up a valid > point, gievn the amount of discussion that has ensured from it, as well as > a few really stellar ideas that have resulted. > > Snide remarks just get in the way and don't do anyone any good. They > often make it more difficult to come to consensus. Can we please make > sure they don't enter into the discussion, lest someone get offended? > > -- > Devin L. Ganger, Chief Systems Administrator, Premier1 Internet Services > One zone to rule them all, one zone to find them > One zone to bring them all and in the darkness BIND them... > motd for mordor.premier1.net, a proposed master nameserver - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From snowsim at halcyon.com Thu Oct 14 15:39:27 1999 From: snowsim at halcyon.com (Simulated Snow) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Meeting Venues/SPUG Bifurcation In-Reply-To: <38060FAB.2C535466@DigiDot.com> References: <199910140324.UAA03621@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: At 10:15 -0700 1999.10.14, Sean Ruddy wrote: >*Just a thought* >Video conference? excellent idea... >...Real Networks...misses the meeting they could watch >it on their computer? yes !!! great idea... I don`t have anything to do w/Real Networks but it seems like a real winner could eventually lead us to a "remote learning" setup >...With 250 techies we should be able to get >through this hurdle? I would think so...how many of them are "local" vs out of the area (Puget Sound) ? - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ryan at erwin.org Thu Oct 14 15:52:07 1999 From: ryan at erwin.org (Ryan Erwin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? Message-ID: I hate to interrupt our fun discussion on where we are going to have our meetings but i ran into a little problem yesterday and wondered if one of you know the answer. ;) <- what do ya think of that guy... Anyways: i have a little command line script on my linux box that takes a list of file names on , then asks the user (me) a question about the file. Usually, to get user input I just use my $somevar = ; but it doesn't work in this case. i hunted around last night and found that perlfaq8 had a section called "Why can't my script read from STDIN after I gave it EOF?" This sounds exactally like what is happening so I read on and the faq8 said "the POSIX module defines clearerr() that you can use." So I checked the POSIX mod docs and it says: clearerr - use IO::Handle::clearerr() instead. Now, I go over and check IO::Handle docs and find that I'm supposed to issue: $fh->clearerr I do this (STDIN->clearerr) and it works just find, but I still can't prompt the user for something on STDIN. The faq8 says that this is the technically correct way to reset the err flag so I would like to use it. Besides, seek on STDIN just seems strange to me (if it would even work, i haven't tried). Thanks! ryan [ryan@erwin.org] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From cwilkes at n2h2.com Thu Oct 14 16:14:51 1999 From: cwilkes at n2h2.com (Chris Wilkes) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings -- make web page References: <01BF163F.E4AC21A0@host188.207-55-127.aadsl.com> Message-ID: <380647CB.BCF62FD3@n2h2.com> We could put up a web page with a map that people can click on to designate their living and work quarters. Then take this information to out where a convenient meeting location would be. We could get nifty graphs out of it too. That or put up a voting scheme with comments. But how to save this information from the web to a text file / database ... :) Chris - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jtraug at seanet.com Thu Oct 14 16:49:51 1999 From: jtraug at seanet.com (Jim Traugott) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? In-Reply-To: (message from Ryan Erwin on Thu, 14 Oct 1999 13:52:07 -0700 (PDT)) References: Message-ID: <199910142149.OAA14464@mx.seanet.com> >>>>> "Ryan" == Ryan Erwin writes: > I hate to interrupt our fun discussion on where we are going to have our meetings but i ran into a little problem yesterday and wondered if one of you know the answer. ;) <- what do ya think of that guy... > Anyways: > i have a little command line script on my linux box that takes a list of file names on , then asks the user (me) a question about the file. Usually, to get user input I just use my $somevar = ; but it doesn't work in this case. Could it be buffered? Try: $f = select STDIN; $| = 1; select $fh; > i hunted around last night and found that perlfaq8 had a section called "Why can't my script read from STDIN after I gave it EOF?" This sounds exactally like what is happening so I read on and the faq8 said "the POSIX module defines clearerr() that you can use." So I checked the POSIX mod docs and it says: > clearerr - use IO::Handle::clearerr() instead. > Now, I go over and check IO::Handle docs and find that I'm supposed to issue: > $fh->clearerr > I do this (STDIN->clearerr) and it works just find, but I still can't prompt the user for something on STDIN. You want to prompt the user on STDOUT. > The faq8 says that this is the technically correct way to reset the err flag so I would like to use it. Besides, seek on STDIN just seems strange to me (if it would even work, i haven't tried). Good Luck! jim - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From barry.sharp at boeing.com Thu Oct 14 17:29:58 1999 From: barry.sharp at boeing.com (Barry Sharp) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings Message-ID: <199910142229.PAA14924@calwah> This subject is certainly generating a lively discussion, right? Well then, let me make some stupid suggestions and see what alternative juices others might have. I'm taking a chance here I suppose as I've never attended a SPUG meeting other than attend Tim's marvelous Perl class in Bellevue. In order to make it worth a persons time/effort to travel to the SPUG (I take it the 'S' stands for Seattle -- how parochial -- should it have been PSPUG for Puget Sound -- well let's not get into that one for now) one might want to make the meeting place ATTRACTIVE -- to most that is. So how about we all meet at Bill Gate's mansion -- NO, I'm just kidding -- does MS use Perl -- do we have any clout with Bill? If traffic and/or parking is a problem what about SUNDAY. +ive=Very little traffic and parking is free downtown I believe. -ive=It's SUNDAY for heavens sake. We could determine the geographic center for all 278 people on the SPUG mailing list that provides equal driving distance for all -- Hmmmmm, that might place us in Lake Washington! Plus this might be more than we care to have to calculate and folks would have to be honest about their driving distances, right? We could elect to hold meetings in Seattle for first six months of year, then on the Eastside for the remaining ones! Of course, a finer grain alternative could be adopted such as switching every three months. Sooooooo, what do you think, and I hope I've not been too irresponsible with this posting -- I'm simply trying to reach closure on this difficult subject -- Tim must be tearing his hair out right now. Maybe Thor can come to the rescue and provide some advice -- does Thor talk, and does he give advice? Anyhows, back to work for me now. Regards... Barry Sharp - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From kmeyer at aa.net Thu Oct 14 17:48:00 1999 From: kmeyer at aa.net (Kenneth W. Meyer) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Speakeasy logisitics Message-ID: <01BF165B.7F10B6A0@host188.207-55-127.aadsl.com> Regardless of my reservations, I would like to support the Speakeasy, which I think is a neat establishment; and I could even ride a bus directly down there myself, but that wouldn't work for many, I suspect. The capability that site would provide for trying some virtual meeting capability for the transportationally challenged, whether NetMeeting or other medium, is really attractive to me (DSL connection), as I would really like to find out whether this capability is really practical, or whether it is still just a curiousity. I don't think that live TV is absolutely necessary (though it would be nice). Just the ability to see the slides and any scratchings on the white board, and of course the audio, would be fine by me. - Kyot ---------- From: El JoPe Magnifico[SMTP:jope-spug@n2h2.com] Sent: Thursday, October 14, 1999 8:19 AM To: Kenneth W. Meyer Subject: RE: SPUG: Speakeasy logisitics On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Kenneth W. Meyer wrote: > Thanks for the response. "Again" suggests that I have not read every > message pursuant to this discussion; sorry. No biggie, just want to make sure everyone understands what was offered. I was the original person to query Speakeasy, and was explicit about what our needs were. Regardless... parking in Belltown is a bear, no two ways around that! =( - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From stuart_poulin at yahoo.com Thu Oct 14 18:12:45 1999 From: stuart_poulin at yahoo.com (Stuart Poulin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? Message-ID: <19991014231245.22030.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> One thing you can do on Unix is open /dev/tty for input. Then even if your program is reading STDIN from a file or a pipe it can get input from the user. open(TTY," wrote: > I hate to interrupt our fun discussion on where we are going to have our > meetings but i ran into a little problem yesterday and wondered if one of you > know the answer. ;) <- what do ya think of that guy... > > Anyways: > i have a little command line script on my linux box that takes a list of file > names on , then asks the user (me) a question about the file. > Usually, to get user input I just use my $somevar = ; but it doesn't > work in this case. > > i hunted around last night and found that perlfaq8 had a section called "Why > can't my script read from STDIN after I gave it EOF?" This sounds exactally > like what is happening so I read on and the faq8 said "the POSIX module > defines clearerr() that you can use." So I checked the POSIX mod docs and it > says: > clearerr - use IO::Handle::clearerr() instead. > Now, I go over and check IO::Handle docs and find that I'm supposed to issue: > $fh->clearerr > I do this (STDIN->clearerr) and it works just find, but I still can't prompt > the user for something on STDIN. > > The faq8 says that this is the technically correct way to reset the err flag > so I would like to use it. Besides, seek on STDIN just seems strange to me > (if it would even work, i haven't tried). > > Thanks! > > ryan [ryan@erwin.org] > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Thu Oct 14 21:44:56 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: RE: Hosting SPUG meetings Message-ID: <199910150244.TAA06085@catmanor.com> > >We could determine the geographic center for all 278 people >on the SPUG mailing list that provides equal driving distance >for all -- Hmmmmm, that might place us in Lake Washington! Plus >this might be more than we care to have to calculate and folks >would have to be honest about their driving distances, right? > Hmmm... We could do that in perl! First use the DBI module to read a spug database of all it's members and for each address form a maps.yahoo.com "Get Directions" html query. Then we use the LWP module to GET each of these pages and parse the html source with a regex looking for /\d+.\.?\d+ miles/ and /\d+ mins/. (pardon if my regex is not quite right, I am regex challanged) I don't have LWP installed on my computer at home, and my consultix class notes are at work, so the LWP get exercise will be left to the reader. The DBI stuff is not rocket science. But here is some code to format the query... #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w # $newaddr = "213 222nd ave ne"; $newcsz= "Redmond, WA 98053"; $newtaddr = "1100 Fairview Ave. N"; $newtcsz = "Seattle, WA 98109"; # $newaddr =~ s/\ /+/g; $newcsz =~ s/\ /+/g; $newtaddr =~ s/\ /+/g; $newtcsz =~ s/\ /+/g; $url = "http://maps.yahoo.com/py/ddResults.py?Pyt=Tmap&doit=1&newname=&newdesc=&newaddr=$newaddr&newcsz=$newcsz&newtcsz=$newtcsz&Get Directions=Get+Directions"; print "$url\n"; looks like a fun project! _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ryan at erwin.org Fri Oct 15 10:55:33 1999 From: ryan at erwin.org (Ryan Erwin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? In-Reply-To: <19991014231245.22030.rocketmail@web124.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: Greetings once again Spuggers... Back to yesterdays' question about STDIN... I tried to issue: STDIN->IO::Handle::clearerr and $where = tell (STDIN); seek(STDIN, $where, 0); and a few other seek commands... I tried STDIN->POSIX::clearerr; # i think that was the syntax i used... To No Avail... fortunately, my $var = open(TTY,"; chomp (@rray); foreach (@rray) { print "this line is $_: [Y:N] "; my $y_or_n = ; chomp ($y_or_n); print "$y_or_n just for the heck of it...\n"; } I would run the script (i'll call it /tmp/test.pl) like this: find /tmp | /tmp/test.pl I think that this should work, but it doesn't... Obviously, it doesn't work, so i'm doing (at least) something wrong, but i'm not sure what. Please, I'm sure one of you knows how to make this work ;) BTW: this is just the really, really minimized version of the script that just takes a list of files on STDIN and 2 regex's, one to filter the list sent to STDIN, one to make the new name for the file. I thought it would be useful when i need to change the names of a bunch of files at once... I would have posted it, but i forgot it at home and my PPP connection at home hasn't been working since i moved (last week). Thanks ryan [ryan@erwin.org] On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Stuart Poulin wrote: > One thing you can do on Unix is open /dev/tty for input. > Then even if your program is reading STDIN from a file or a pipe it can get > input from the user. > > open(TTY," > --- Ryan Erwin wrote: > > I hate to interrupt our fun discussion on where we are going to have our > > meetings but i ran into a little problem yesterday and wondered if one of you > > know the answer. ;) <- what do ya think of that guy... > > > > Anyways: > > i have a little command line script on my linux box that takes a list of file > > names on , then asks the user (me) a question about the file. > > Usually, to get user input I just use my $somevar = ; but it doesn't > > work in this case. > > > > i hunted around last night and found that perlfaq8 had a section called "Why > > can't my script read from STDIN after I gave it EOF?" This sounds exactally > > like what is happening so I read on and the faq8 said "the POSIX module > > defines clearerr() that you can use." So I checked the POSIX mod docs and it > > says: > > clearerr - use IO::Handle::clearerr() instead. > > Now, I go over and check IO::Handle docs and find that I'm supposed to issue: > > $fh->clearerr > > I do this (STDIN->clearerr) and it works just find, but I still can't prompt > > the user for something on STDIN. > > > > The faq8 says that this is the technically correct way to reset the err flag > > so I would like to use it. Besides, seek on STDIN just seems strange to me > > (if it would even work, i haven't tried). > > > > Thanks! > > > > ryan [ryan@erwin.org] - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jtraug at seanet.com Fri Oct 15 12:23:57 1999 From: jtraug at seanet.com (Jim Traugott) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? In-Reply-To: (message from Ryan Erwin on Fri, 15 Oct 1999 08:55:33 -0700 (PDT)) References: Message-ID: <199910151723.KAA22530@mx.seanet.com> You're asking a little much of STDIN... Why not submit your filenames as args? Try this: #!/usr/bin/perl -w for (@ARGV) { print "this line is $_: [Y:N] "; my $y_or_n = ; chomp ($y_or_n); print "$y_or_n just for the heck of it...\n"; } ... and call it like this: test.pl `find /tmp` jim >>>>> "Ryan" == Ryan Erwin writes: > Greetings once again Spuggers... > Back to yesterdays' question about STDIN... > I tried to issue: STDIN-> IO::Handle::clearerr > and > $where = tell (STDIN); > seek(STDIN, $where, 0); > and a few other seek commands... > I tried STDIN-> POSIX::clearerr; # i think that was the syntax i used... > To No Avail... > fortunately, > my $var = open(TTY," did work, but it is very cumbersom to type what i want, press [enter] then pressCTRL+D to finish the input... > Here is a version of the script that shows the problem: > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > my @rray = ; > chomp (@rray); > foreach (@rray) { > print "this line is $_: [Y:N] "; > my $y_or_n = ; > chomp ($y_or_n); > print "$y_or_n just for the heck of it...\n"; > } > I would run the script (i'll call it /tmp/test.pl) like this: > find /tmp | /tmp/test.pl > I think that this should work, but it doesn't... > Obviously, it doesn't work, so i'm doing (at least) something wrong, but i'm not sure what. Please, I'm sure one of you knows how to make this work ;) > BTW: this is just the really, really minimized version of the script that just takes a list of files on STDIN and 2 regex's, one to filter the list sent to STDIN, one to make the new name for the file. I thought it would be useful when i need to change the names of a bunch of files at once... I would have posted it, but i forgot it at home and my PPP connection at home hasn't been working since i moved (last week). > Thanks > ryan [ryan@erwin.org] > On Thu, 14 Oct 1999, Stuart Poulin wrote: >> One thing you can do on Unix is open /dev/tty for input. >> Then even if your program is reading STDIN from a file or a pipe it can get >> input from the user. >> >> open(TTY,"> >> --- Ryan Erwin wrote: >> > I hate to interrupt our fun discussion on where we are going to have our >> > meetings but i ran into a little problem yesterday and wondered if one of you >> > know the answer. ;) <- what do ya think of that guy... >> > >> > Anyways: >> > i have a little command line script on my linux box that takes a list of file >> > names on , then asks the user (me) a question about the file. >> > Usually, to get user input I just use my $somevar = ; but it doesn't >> > work in this case. >> > >> > i hunted around last night and found that perlfaq8 had a section called "Why >> > can't my script read from STDIN after I gave it EOF?" This sounds exactally >> > like what is happening so I read on and the faq8 said "the POSIX module >> > defines clearerr() that you can use." So I checked the POSIX mod docs and it >> > says: >> > clearerr - use IO::Handle::clearerr() instead. >> > Now, I go over and check IO::Handle docs and find that I'm supposed to issue: >> > $fh->clearerr >> > I do this (STDIN->clearerr) and it works just find, but I still can't prompt >> > the user for something on STDIN. >> > >> > The faq8 says that this is the technically correct way to reset the err flag >> > so I would like to use it. Besides, seek on STDIN just seems strange to me >> > (if it would even work, i haven't tried). >> > >> > Thanks! >> > >> > ryan [ryan@erwin.org] > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From elephant at cnw.com Fri Oct 15 13:15:36 1999 From: elephant at cnw.com (Michael Dahlquist) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Carriage returns saved in parsed data? In-Reply-To: <199910150244.TAA06085@catmanor.com> Message-ID: Hi all - This is my first post, and I expect this is a simple question. I've got a basic setup where a form processes a text field, and writes the data to an HTML page. I'm hoping there's a simple way to preserve any carriage returns in the text field, without putting a
around the variable in the HTML. I've seen it done, I just haven't been able to track down the point in a script that does it. Any suggestions? Thanks - Michael - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jope-spug at n2h2.com Fri Oct 15 14:05:32 1999 From: jope-spug at n2h2.com (El JoPe Magnifico) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Multiple uses of In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Ryan Erwin wrote: > my $var = open(TTY," did work, but it is very cumbersom to type what i want, press [enter] > then pressCTRL+D to finish the input... Eh? First, you shouldn't be getting your input from TTY with the open() call, but rather with a separate call... $var = ; > Here is a version of the script that shows the problem: > > #!/usr/bin/perl -w > my @rray = ; > chomp (@rray); > foreach (@rray) { > print "this line is $_: [Y:N] "; > my $y_or_n = ; > chomp ($y_or_n); > print "$y_or_n just for the heck of it...\n"; > } > > I would run the script (i'll call it /tmp/test.pl) like this: > find /tmp | /tmp/test.pl Ah, there's your problem. If you ran the script from the command line by itself and passed in the list of files manually, it should work fine. So why doesn't it work when you pipe the results from 'find' to it? Because when piping, the shell connects the STDIN of 'test.pl' to the STDOUT of 'find' rather than to the usual /dev/tty. I don't know offhand of any way that you can funnel both input sources into the single STDIN (basically, an input version of 'tee'). Your comment about the use of tty being cumbersome though indicates you're not using it properly though. You shouldn't need to hit ^D after the [enter] if you're assigning to a scalar. Additionally, unless you're doing something that requires the entire list of files before you make your first request for input from TTY, you really don't need to do th eintermediate step of slurping the entire list of files into @rray, then separately looping through @rray. You can even take advantage of perl's -n switch, so you don't even need to put the while loop in your code at all. Try the following, which should allow you to pipe the output of 'find' into it... #!/usr/bin/perl -n ## This gets run once (automatically) before the loop sub BEGIN { open (TTY, "; ## Shouldn't need ^D, just [enter] chomp ($y_or_n); print "yorn = '$y_or_n'\n\n"; ## Do _not_ put exit() at the end, or it won't loop properly! - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From andy at n2h2.com Fri Oct 15 14:12:57 1999 From: andy at n2h2.com (Andrew Sweger) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Oct 15, 1999 @ 8:55am, Ryan Erwin wrote: :} I would run the script (i'll call it /tmp/test.pl) like this: :} find /tmp | /tmp/test.pl There's only one stdin handle and it's attached to the output of the find command. You would have to solicit user input from the attached tty directly as it is not attached to stdin when your perl script is running. -- Andrew Sweger N2H2, Incorporated 900 Fourth Avenue, Suite 3400 No thanks, I'll just have the Seattle WA 98164-1059 Linux with a side of Perl http://www.n2h2.com/ (206) 336-2947 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From ryan at erwin.org Fri Oct 15 15:08:28 1999 From: ryan at erwin.org (Ryan Erwin) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thank You Tim, Jim, El Jupe, Andy and anyone else that read my posts... I had never really thought about how a pipe worked... Now, that I have thought about it (and you guys have told me) I think I know what I was missing. When you use a pipe, you are moving STDIN and STDOUT away from the user and into the Pipe... That explains quite a bit... I was thinking of a pipe as a way to send some data to STDIN, kind of like a keyboard macro. I'm not sure what I'm was doingk, thinking that the way I used my open would work. I'm going to claim tiredness (as opposed to some other form of stupidity...) Thanks for all the Help ryan [ryan@erwin.org] ;) - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From charles.e.derykus at boeing.com Fri Oct 15 15:09:57 1999 From: charles.e.derykus at boeing.com (charles.e.derykus@boeing.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? Message-ID: <199910152009.NAA25212@carios2.ca.boeing.com> > my @rray = ; > chomp (@rray); > foreach (@rray) { > print "this line is $_: [Y:N] "; > my $y_or_n = ; > chomp ($y_or_n); > print "$y_or_n just for the heck of it...\n"; > } > I would run the script (i'll call it /tmp/test.pl) like this: > find /tmp | /tmp/test.pl Another alternative if the file count doesn't overflow the command line buffer: for file in `find /tmp`; do /tmp/test.pl $file done and wrap the perl with a loop which shifts off the command line: while ( defined(my $file = shift) ) { my @rray = : ... } Still another disadvantage is that the shell loop blocks until the backticks are done. If those drawbacks are too much, you might just consider letting Perl find the files internally. Rgds, -- Charles DeRykus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 15 16:05:34 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Multiple uses of In-Reply-To: from "El JoPe Magnifico" at Oct 15, 99 12:05:32 pm Message-ID: <199910152105.OAA13421@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 15 14:05:34 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2294 According to El JoPe Magnifico: > > So why doesn't it work when you pipe the results from 'find' to it? > Because when piping, the shell connects the STDIN of 'test.pl' to the > STDOUT of 'find' rather than to the usual /dev/tty. I don't know > offhand of any way that you can funnel both input sources into the > single STDIN (basically, an input version of 'tee'). There's no problem with merging two input sources into a single input stream: (find . -print; cat /dev/tty) | script find . -print | (cat - /dev/tty) | script # another way However, with this arrangement, his initial @array= wouldn't sense EOF until ^D from the keyboard, so he'd need to provide a marker, and have his script watch for it, with associated code to fill the array and stop on seeing the EOF word. (find . -temp; echo EOF; cat /dev/tty) | script Too much trouble, and too much sophistication required on the part of the user typing in the command line, who would rather just run the script! . . . > You can even take advantage of perl's -n switch, so you don't even > need to put the while loop in your code at all. Try the following, > which should allow you to pipe the output of 'find' into it... > > #!/usr/bin/perl -n > > ## This gets run once (automatically) before the loop > sub BEGIN { > open (TTY, " } > > ## The loop created by -p assigns the STDIN current line to $_ You meant -n in that line ^^^ > my $line = $_; > chomp ($line); Right, and if he used -ln instead of -n, he could even skip the chomp() ! > > ## Do whatever additional per-line-item stuff here > print "line = '$line': [Y:N] "; > my $y_or_n = ; ## Shouldn't need ^D, just [enter] > chomp ($y_or_n); > print "yorn = '$y_or_n'\n\n"; > > ## Do _not_ put exit() at the end, or it won't loop properly! Unless that exit is in an END{ } block. *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 15 16:07:12 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? Message-ID: <199910152107.OAA13432@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 15 14:07:12 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1471 Sorry, I originally posted this to a different list! Here it is for SPUG. According to Tim Maher/CONSULTIX: > Good point about buffer size. However xargs isn't a good option here, > as xargs interferes with STDIN, often causing unexpected results in > the target program. xargs might indeed be a lousy option for Ryan, especially if he wants to read all the incoming filenames with a single instance of his script. That's why I think his pipeline input approach should be preserved, and the Perl script changed to handle it. What exactly do you mean by "xargs interferes with STDIN"? The only drawback I see is that "find . -print | xargs perl_script_taking_args" would execute an unpredictable number of separate instances of the perl script (each being invoked with the maximum permitted number of arguments), which might be less desirable than a single instance reading an "infinite" amount of pipeline input. However, in cases like find . -print | xargs chmod o-r this issue of separate instances being run is of no concern whatsoever! > jim *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Fri Oct 15 20:45:38 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analysis In-Reply-To: Mail from 'William Julien ' dated: Thu, 14 Oct 1999 19:44:56 -0700 Message-ID: <199910160145.SAA07644@catmanor.com> >> >Hmmm... We could do that in perl! First use the DBI module to read >a spug database of all it's members and for each address form a maps.yahoo.com >"Get Directions" html query. Then we use the LWP module to GET each of these >pages and parse the html source with a regex looking for /\d+.\.?\d+ miles/ >and /\d+ mins/. (pardon if my regex is not quite right, I am regex challanged) > Ok guys... Here is a start. First, the input is a simple file with the data format ... name|address|city-state-zip|dest_name|dest_address|dest_city-state-zip eg: -->cat address.txt William Julien|213 222nd Ave. NE|Redmond, WA 98053|Fred Hutchinson|1100 Fairview Ave. N|Seattle, WA 98109 Parent's Place|110 128th Ave. NE|Bellevue, WA 98004|Fred Hutchinson|1100 Fairview Ave. N|Seattle, WA 98109 Pacific Inn Pub|3501 Stone Way North|Seattle, Wa. 98103|Fred Hutchinson|1100 Fairview Ave. N|Seattle, WA 98109 The program... #!/usr/local/bin/perl -w # use LWP::Simple; # # loop over each address # while (<>) { chomp; ( $name, $addr, $csz, $tname, $taddr, $tcsz ) = split /\|/; # # setup url # $url = "http://maps.yahoo.com/py/ddResults.py?Pyt=Tmap&doit=1&newname="; $url .= "&newdesc=&newaddr=$addr&newcsz=$csz&newtcsz=$tcsz&"; $url .= "Get Directions=Get+Directions"; $url =~ s/\ /+/g; # # fetch html data # $_ = get "$url"; # # look for miles in the html text # undef $miles; if ( /\d+.\.?\d+ miles/ ) { $miles = $&; } # # look for minutes # undef $minutes; if ( /\d+ mins/) { $minutes = $&; } # # collect the results # if ( defined $miles and defined $minutes ) { push @data, "$name\t\t$tname"; push @data, "$addr\t$taddr"; push @data, "$csz\t$tcsz\t$miles $minutes\n"; } } # end while # # print a header # print "From"," "x20,"To"," "x22,"Distance","\n"; print "-"x18, " "x6,"-"x18," "x6,"-"x18,"\n"; # # print out the results # foreach (@data) { print "$_\n"; } The output.... -->yahoo_maps.plx address.txt >From To Distance ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ William Julien Fred Hutchinson 213 222nd Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N Redmond, WA 98053 Seattle, WA 98109 21.1 miles 41 mins Parent's Place Fred Hutchinson 110 128th Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N Bellevue, WA 98004 Seattle, WA 98109 12.0 miles 26 mins Pacific Inn Pub Fred Hutchinson 3501 Stone Way North 1100 Fairview Ave. N Seattle, Wa. 98103 Seattle, WA 98109 2.3 miles 6 mins Gee... I love perl. Now, all we need is an address list and I can calculate a "distance quotient" for each of the proposed new SPUG locations. Hey Tim! This would make a good class assignment! _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 15 21:05:57 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analysis In-Reply-To: <199910160145.SAA07644@catmanor.com> from "William Julien" at Oct 15, 99 06:45:38 pm Message-ID: <199910160205.TAA14483@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 15 19:05:57 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1970 According to William Julien: > > >> > The output.... > > -->yahoo_maps.plx address.txt > >From To Distance > ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ > William Julien Fred Hutchinson > 213 222nd Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N > Redmond, WA 98053 Seattle, WA 98109 21.1 miles 41 mins > > Parent's Place Fred Hutchinson > 110 128th Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N > Bellevue, WA 98004 Seattle, WA 98109 12.0 miles 26 mins > > Pacific Inn Pub Fred Hutchinson > 3501 Stone Way North 1100 Fairview Ave. N > Seattle, Wa. 98103 Seattle, WA 98109 2.3 miles 6 mins > > Gee... I love perl. Now, all we need is an address list and I can > calculate a "distance quotient" for each of the proposed new SPUG locations. This is cool! > > Hey Tim! This would make a good class assignment! Good idea! I'll try it out in the upcoming on-site class! . . . Now if yahoo could only give driving *time* estimates, rather than the poorly correlated driving distances, we'd really have something! 8-} ) > > _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; > /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' > < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com > `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ > __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. > (,__....----''' (,..--'' > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Fri Oct 15 22:51:58 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analysis In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Tim Maher/CONSULTIX ' dated: Fri, 15 Oct 1999 19:05:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199910160351.UAA07940@catmanor.com> >> Gee... I love perl. Now, all we need is an address list and I can >> calculate a "distance quotient" for each of the proposed new SPUG locations. > >This is cool! Gee thanks! I think that once in a while it is good for one to post their success and ideas rather than just their problems. >> From To Distance >> ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ >> William Julien Fred Hutchinson >> 213 222nd Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N >> Redmond, WA 98053 Seattle, WA 98109 21.1 miles 41 mins > >. . . Now if yahoo could only give driving *time* estimates, rather than >the poorly correlated driving distances, we'd really have something! 8-} ) Actually, the time estimate is almost right on. I find that it is best to allocate at least an hour of driving time to get to Seattle. I think the yahoo time estimate does a fairly good job to guess the driving time. The rate works out to 31.65 mph. That's about right for a trip to the city. _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From lee_vanhee at easyliving.com Sat Oct 16 07:34:43 1999 From: lee_vanhee at easyliving.com (lee_vanhee@easyliving.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy Message-ID: <991016083443J9.11307@weba3.iname.net> Interesting problem. But what if you want to know the geographical center of the SPUG population. It seems to me you'd have to input the latitude and longitude of each member's starting point (just before a meeting). Then calculate the average lat. and long. from the entire database. You could also weight the average by the probability each member would actually attend a meeting at the population center. For example, if A would attend 10 out of 10 meetings and B would attend 5 out of 10, you could multiply A's latitude by 10 and B's by 5, then add them and divide by 15 (to get the weighted average latitude). ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From kevin at n2h2.com Sat Oct 16 09:49:29 1999 From: kevin at n2h2.com (Kevin Fink) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Multiple uses of in a script? In-Reply-To: <199910152107.OAA13432@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 15 Oct 1999, Tim Maher/CONSULTIX wrote: > What exactly do you mean by "xargs interferes with STDIN"? The only > drawback I see is that "find . -print | xargs perl_script_taking_args" > would execute an unpredictable number of separate instances of the > perl script (each being invoked with the maximum permitted number of > arguments), which might be less desirable than a single instance reading > an "infinite" amount of pipeline input. However, in cases like > find . -print | xargs chmod o-r > this issue of separate instances being run is of no concern whatsoever! The -n option to xargs will take care of that problem: find . -print | xargs -n1 perl_script_takingargs (However, I agree that it's better to just fix the Perl script.) Kevin ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Kevin Fink N2H2, Creators of Bess and Searchopolis Chief Technology Officer 900 Fourth Avenue, Suite 3400 http://www.n2h2.com/ Seattle, WA 98164 VOICE: 206-336-1501 / 800-971-2622 FAX: 206-336-1541 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Scott.Blachowicz at seaslug.org Sat Oct 16 11:13:46 1999 From: Scott.Blachowicz at seaslug.org (Scott Blachowicz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy In-Reply-To: <991016083443J9.11307@weba3.iname.net>; from lee_vanhee@easyliving.com on Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 08:34:43AM -0400 References: <991016083443J9.11307@weba3.iname.net> Message-ID: <19991016091346.B59450@sabami.seaslug.org> On Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 08:34:43AM -0400, lee_vanhee@easyliving.com wrote: > Interesting problem. But what if you want to know the geographical center > of the SPUG population. It seems to me you'd have to input the latitude and > longitude of each member's starting point (just before a meeting). Then > calculate the average lat. and long. from the entire database. I bet that the geographical center is in the middle of the Lake, so we'd have to find a nice boat to have the meetings on. Then you'd have to decide where to dock the boat. :-) Still an interesting problem though :-). Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Sat Oct 16 14:58:02 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: meetings -- a least path analysis In-Reply-To: Mail from 'lee_vanhee@easyliving.com' dated: Sat, 16 Oct 1999 08:34:43 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <199910161958.MAA08938@catmanor.com> > >Interesting problem. But what if you want to know the geographical >center of the SPUG population. It seems to me you'd have to input the >latitude and longitude of each member's starting point (just before >a meeting). Then calculate the average lat. and long. from the entire >database. Hmmm... The geographical center would be an interesting statistic. But, like Barry said, that would probably place the optimum meeting place in the middle of Lake Washington. Given that the possible meeting places are finite, I would think driving distance and time to be more practical approach. > >You could also weight the average by the probability each member would >actually attend a meeting at the population center. For example, if >A would attend 10 out of 10 meetings and B would attend 5 out of 10, >you could multiply A's latitude by 10 and B's by 5, then add them and >divide by 15 (to get the weighted average latitude). Good Idea! But I would multiply by the probability of attendance. "A" has a probability of 1 (10/10) and "B" has a probability of .5 (5/10). Nomally a major consideration for me, is the length of the meeting vs the time it takes for me to get there. I am much more likely to go to an hour length meeting if it takes 5 minutes than if it take an hour. So, maybe this could be used for ranking the relative worth of a meeting location. Something like the sum of the differences between the meeting length and the driving time. Then express this as a ratio of the meeting length and the sum divided by the number of people. To test this, I needed to add a few more locations in my address datafile. I had trouble finding the "lucent" location. The only lucent I could find on the east-side was "lucent medical". Anyway... # # define the meeting length # $meeting_length = 120; Somewhere in the while loop... # # sum the difference between meeting length and driving time # $timevalue{$tname} += $meeting_length - $minutes; $timecount{$tname} ++; Then, at the end... # # print out the relative worth # foreach (keys %timevalue) { printf "The $_ location has a relative worth index of %.2f\n", ($timevalue{$_}/$timecount{$_})/$meeting_length; } yahoo_maps.pl address.txt >From To Distance ------------------ ------------------ ------------------ William Julien Lucent Medical Systems 213 222nd Ave. NE 135 Lake St S. Redmond, WA 98053 Kirkland, WA 98033 9.5 miles 24 minutes Parent's Place Lucent Medical Systems 110 128th Ave. NE 135 Lake St S. Bellevue, WA 98004 Kirkland, WA 98033 6.1 miles 13 minutes Pacific Inn Pub Lucent Medical Systems 3501 Stone Way North 135 Lake St S. Seattle, Wa. 98103 Kirkland, WA 98033 12.5 miles 24 minutes William Julien Speakeasy 213 222nd Ave. NE 2304 2nd Ave Redmond, WA 98053 Seattle, WA 98121 22.3 miles 40 minutes Parent's Place Speakeasy 110 128th Ave. NE 2304 2nd Ave Bellevue, WA 98004 Seattle, WA 98121 12.5 miles 25 minutes Pacific Inn Pub Speakeasy 3501 Stone Way North 2304 2nd Ave Seattle, Wa. 98103 Seattle, WA 98121 3.3 miles 9 minutes William Julien Fred Hutchinson 213 222nd Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N Redmond, WA 98053 Seattle, WA 98109 21.1 miles 41 minutes Parent's Place Fred Hutchinson 110 128th Ave. NE 1100 Fairview Ave. N Bellevue, WA 98004 Seattle, WA 98109 12.0 miles 26 minutes Pacific Inn Pub Fred Hutchinson 3501 Stone Way North 1100 Fairview Ave. N Seattle, Wa. 98103 Seattle, WA 98109 2.3 miles 6 minutes The Lucent Medical Systems location has a relative worth index of 0.83 The Fred Hutchinson location has a relative worth index of 0.80 The Speakeasy location has a relative worth index of 0.79 _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Scott.Blachowicz at seaslug.org Sat Oct 16 15:43:48 1999 From: Scott.Blachowicz at seaslug.org (Scott Blachowicz) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: meetings -- a least path analysis In-Reply-To: <199910161958.MAA08938@catmanor.com>; from William Julien on Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:58:02PM -0700 References: <199910161958.MAA08938@catmanor.com> Message-ID: <19991016134347.A60069@sabami.seaslug.org> On Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 12:58:02PM -0700, William Julien wrote: > To test this, I needed to add a few more locations in my address datafile. > I had trouble finding the "lucent" location. The only lucent I could > find on the east-side was "lucent medical". Anyway... I think the Lucent location in question used to be known as "Mosaix"...they recently got bought out by Lucent, I believe. At any rate, I was just at the NorthWest C++ User's Group meeting there last week...you go to the eastern end of 520 (where it hits SR-202 on the eastern end of Redmond). Then, you continue east on SR-202 for a few more lights, turn left right about the point where you get to one lane each direction and the speed limit bumps up to 45...or something like that. Scott - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From law at acm.org Sat Oct 16 22:27:13 1999 From: law at acm.org (L A Wilkins) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy References: <19991016091346.B59450@sabami.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <99101620303002.07813@maggie> Ok, Why not do the experiment; rotate thru the various venues over the next few months and pick the one where most people show up? -law On Sat, 16 Oct 1999, Scott Blachowicz wrote: >On Sat, Oct 16, 1999 at 08:34:43AM -0400, lee_vanhee@easyliving.com wrote: >> Interesting problem. But what if you want to know the geographical center >> of the SPUG population. It seems to me you'd have to input the latitude and >> longitude of each member's starting point (just before a meeting). Then >> calculate the average lat. and long. from the entire database. > >I bet that the geographical center is in the middle of the Lake, so >we'd have to find a nice boat to have the meetings on. Then you'd >have to decide where to dock the boat. :-) > >Still an interesting problem though :-). > >Scott.Blachowicz@seaslug.org > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address -- L A Wilkins law@acm.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From lee_vanhee at easyliving.com Sun Oct 17 09:13:39 1999 From: lee_vanhee at easyliving.com (lee_vanhee@easyliving.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy Message-ID: <99101710133958.25506@weba7.iname.net> Scott Blachowicz wrote: >I bet that the geographical center is in the middle of >the Lake, so we'd have to find a nice boat to have the >meetings on. Then you'd have to decide where to dock >the boat. :-) Can I bring my fishing pole with the PERL spinner? No boat? We could do a Pier Review. :-) BTW, a good (but slooow) resource for generating maps with latitude/longitude data is: http://tiger.census.gov/ Lee VanHee Edmonds, WA Ban LAN-locked systems ---------------------------------------------------------------- Get your free email from AltaVista at http://altavista.iname.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Sun Oct 17 11:57:49 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: New Meeting Location: Update Message-ID: <199910171657.JAA19739@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Sun Oct 17 09:57:49 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 4771 According to William Julien: > > Hmmm... The geographical center would be an interesting statistic. But, like > Barry said, that would probably place the optimum meeting place in > the middle of Lake Washington. > > Given that the possible meeting places are finite, I would think driving > distance and time to be more practical approach. > > >You could also weight the average by the probability each member would > >actually attend a meeting at the population center. For example, if > >A would attend 10 out of 10 meetings and B would attend 5 out of 10, > >you could multiply A's latitude by 10 and B's by 5, then add them and > >divide by 15 (to get the weighted average latitude). > > Good Idea! But I would multiply by the probability of attendance. "A" has > a probability of 1 (10/10) and "B" has a probability of .5 (5/10). Sounds like you're using an assumed value of a dependent variable (likelihood of meeting attendance) to help predict the appropriate weighting of an independent variable (lat/long, etc.) in predicting a location to maximize the value of the dependent variable (attendance). Not too kosher! 8-} > Nomally a major consideration for me, is the length of the meeting vs > the time it takes for me to get there. I am much more likely to go to > an hour length meeting if it takes 5 minutes than if it take an hour. So we should then make all meetings 4 hours, to minimize relative drive times? 8-} > So, maybe this could be used for ranking the relative worth of a meeting > location. Something like the sum of the differences between the Sure, William's Perl program to calculate driving distances is cool, and as the Instructor for his 2/99 "Perl + CGI" class I'm proud to see him using Perl creatively, and it's fun to go hog-wild imagining measurable parameters that might relate to meeting attendance, but the conspicuous lack of smiley emoticons in these recent posts suggest that you guys are taking these objective parameters much too seriously! After all, we're trying to predict human behavior here (likelihood of attending meetings), not the amount of fuel used by a robot to get to the meeting. Whether or not "SPUG-lurker A" will attend a meeting at "Location B" might be influenced to some degree by driving distance, driving time, ratio of driving-time to meeting duration, what shows are on the car radio at the time he/she has to start the drive, whether the optimal route would be convenient for a stop at Burger Queen along the way, and what adult beverages are available at the post-meeting hangout, but our goal here is not to develop a theory for predicting meeting attendance. Instead, our goal is to provide reasonable access to meetings for potential attendees throughout a wide geographic area. They can then choose to attend or not, as they see fit. Quality is more important that quantity - we could have huge turnouts if we picked up all potential attendees in a big bus at their work locations and gave them free beer for two hours, but nobody would learn much about Perl that way! 8-} Currently, our greatest need is not in identifying web sites that handle additional geographic parameters of dubious predictive value, but rather in finding new options for the Seattle locations (since we have several apparently attractive choices for the Eastside already). I believe our best plan is to provide at least one good choice on each Lake-side, and possibly choices on Mercer Island and the North end, and take votes from live members for their preferences. Depending on the outcome, we'll probably end up running meetings on both sides of the lake, perhaps 3rd Tuesdays on the East and 3rd Thursdays on the West, so everybody could attend from 0 to 2 meetings per month, as they wish. Current List of Meeting-Place Choices: West: Fred's Cancer Center (for $100/night - a big problem) SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle (although some have doubts about basic suitability, cheaper than Fred's, and with better drinks) East: Lucent, in Redmond (520 and Redmond Way) fancy conference room, reportedly Maxim Group, Bellevue (520 and ?; near Bellevue Way, I think) only basic conference room? still awaiting details . . . North: A Chicken-Coop in Woodinville deluxe ($50/night - a problem) ATL-Philips Ultrasound(Advanced Technology Labs) 522 and I405 in Bothell *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Sun Oct 17 13:04:04 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: New Meeting Location: Update In-Reply-To: Mail from 'Tim Maher/CONSULTIX ' dated: Sun, 17 Oct 1999 09:57:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <199910171804.LAA10758@catmanor.com> > >Sure, William's Perl program to calculate driving distances is cool, and >as the Instructor for his 2/99 "Perl + CGI" class I'm proud to see him >using Perl creatively, and it's fun to go hog-wild imagining measurable >parameters that might relate to meeting attendance, but the conspicuous >lack of smiley emoticons in these recent posts suggest that you guys >are taking these objective parameters much too seriously! After all, >we're trying to predict human behavior here (likelihood of attending >meetings), not the amount of fuel used by a robot to get to the meeting. Sorry for the lack of similey emoticons. I never got into that habit. But I assure you, that I'm just having fun! :-) Part of the fun, is to use statistics to predict human behavior. Sociological studies are very often deeply rooted in predictive statistics. (do I need another one of thoes emoticons now?) <:-)> It is true that using only a single factor of driving distance and relative worth would provide a flat model. Another potential factor would be a "annoyance" of the drive. This is essentually the average mph for the trip. For example, lets say that for both location "A" and "B" it takes me 30 minutes to drive. Both sites would have identical relative worths, but if the distance to location "A" is 5 miles (10mph) and location to "B" is 20 miles (40mph), the preferred location would be the site 20 miles away! I hate creeping along at 10mph. > >Whether or not "SPUG-lurker A" will attend a meeting at "Location B" >might be influenced to some degree by driving distance, driving time, >ratio of driving-time to meeting duration, what shows are on the car >radio at the time he/she has to start the drive, whether the optimal >route would be convenient for a stop at Burger Queen along the way, and >what adult beverages are available at the post-meeting hangout, but our >goal here is not to develop a theory for predicting meeting attendance. He he ! Ok... Right. Without doing any analysis, my preference would be either of the Eastside sites ('cause they are close), or the Speakeasy ('cause it's cool). > >Current List of Meeting-Place Choices: > >West: > Fred's Cancer Center > (for $100/night - a big problem) > SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle > (although some have doubts about basic suitability, > cheaper than Fred's, and with better drinks) >East: > Lucent, in Redmond (520 and Redmond Way) > fancy conference room, reportedly > Maxim Group, Bellevue (520 and ?; near Bellevue Way, I think) > only basic conference room? still awaiting details . . . >North: > A Chicken-Coop in Woodinville > deluxe ($50/night - a problem) > ATL-Philips Ultrasound(Advanced Technology Labs) > 522 and I405 in Bothell > _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Mon Oct 18 10:36:10 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Re: Hosting SPUG Meetings, acronym contest! In-Reply-To: <199910142229.PAA14924@calwah> from "Barry Sharp" at Oct 14, 99 03:29:58 pm Message-ID: <199910181536.IAA24134@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Mon Oct 18 08:36:10 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 2424 According to Barry Sharp: > > This subject is certainly generating a lively discussion, > right? Well then, let me make some stupid suggestions and see > what alternative juices others might have. I'm taking a > chance here I suppose as I've never attended a SPUG meeting > other than attend Tim's marvelous Perl class in Bellevue. You got that right ... on both counts! 8-} > > In order to make it worth a persons time/effort to travel > to the SPUG (I take it the 'S' stands for Seattle -- how > parochial -- should it have been PSPUG for Puget Sound -- SPUG was never meant to serve the Perl programmers of Fife, Enumclaw, or Aberdeen, just those of Greater Seattle. Also, regarding recognition of our name by Perl Mongrels nationwide, your average public-school educated American knows what a Seattle is, but probably thinks a "Puget Sound" is the noise made during vomiting. Most importantly, the SPUG acronym allows lots of cool expansions: Society for the Protection of Ugly Gerbils Society for the Prevention of Unusual Growths Silly People Undressing Gingerly Stop Purveying Underware to Grandmothers Slobs Perverts Ushers Grotesques (still working on this one!) Start Peeking Under Gates Start Peeking Under Gates Sell Pencils Until Gone Synchronized Polished Universal Gymbal etc. This is fun! Come to think of it, everybody submit their creative expansions to me, and we'll post the best ones in a TMTOWDI section of our web page! > well let's not get into that one for now) one might > want to make the meeting place ATTRACTIVE -- to most that > is. So how about we all meet at Bill Gate's mansion -- NO, > I'm just kidding -- does MS use Perl -- do we have any > clout with Bill? Yes, and no! > > If traffic and/or parking is a problem what about SUNDAY. > +ive=Very little traffic and parking is free downtown I believe. > -ive=It's SUNDAY for heavens sake. The places of business that have what we need and gives us free rent are only available M-F, unfortunately. *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From highroad at zipcon.net Mon Oct 18 11:13:53 1999 From: highroad at zipcon.net (highroad@zipcon.net) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: "Perl Annotated Archives" by Martin Brown References: <199910171657.JAA19739@consultix.wa.com> Message-ID: <380B4741.EE485286@zipcon.net> Anybody have any experience with this book? Is it worth getting? Thanks Bob Borrell - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From peter at hivnet.fhcrc.org Mon Oct 18 11:53:49 1999 From: peter at hivnet.fhcrc.org (Peter Dueber) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy Message-ID: <199910181653.JAA12868@falcon.fhcrc.org> As far as the geographical center is concerned, I think the proper way to weight the distances is to calculate the center of mass of the distribution of all the members concerned. A simple average does not really represent the problem. Peter Dueber, Esq. HIVNET Statistical Center Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center Phone: 206.667.6568 Fax : 206.667.4812 Email: peter@hivnet.fhcrc.org - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From rodneyd at microen.com Mon Oct 18 12:20:16 1999 From: rodneyd at microen.com (Rodney Doe) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Automating Windows With Perl Message-ID: Book Recommendation: For those of you who are using Perl on Windows, Automating Windows With Perl by Scott McMahan is a book that may interest you. It describes how easy it is to use Perl and COM Automation to advantage. Here is the link to the description on amazon.com: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0879305894/o/qid=940266812/sr=8-1 /002-3170754-6409832 Rodney B. Doe, P.E. Senior Software Engineer Micro Encoder Inc. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From innate at the-force.net Mon Oct 18 14:01:07 1999 From: innate at the-force.net (Inert Gas) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG Meeting Location Message-ID: Why don't we just hold our meetings at Hooters? There are multiple locations around the Sound and they have excellent viewing materials. ;) -Innate - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From fen_land at hotmail.com Mon Oct 18 14:17:08 1999 From: fen_land at hotmail.com (S ED) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG Meeting Location Message-ID: <19991018191708.44244.qmail@hotmail.com> Rat. I believe excellent is a matter of taste. Samantha ;) >From: Inert Gas >To: spug-list@pm.org >Subject: SPUG: SPUG Meeting Location >Date: Mon, 18 Oct 1999 12:01:07 -0700 (PDT) > >Why don't we just hold our meetings at Hooters? There are multiple >locations around the Sound and they have >excellent viewing materials. > >;) > >-Innate > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Mon Oct 18 15:20:04 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy In-Reply-To: <199910181653.JAA12868@falcon.fhcrc.org> from "Peter Dueber" at Oct 18, 99 09:53:49 am Message-ID: <199910182020.NAA25609@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Mon Oct 18 13:20:04 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 1321 According to Peter Dueber: > > As far as the geographical center is concerned, I think the proper way to weight > the distances is to calculate the center of mass of the distribution of all the > members concerned. A simple average does not really represent the problem. So as a 220-pounder, my location gets a heavier weighting, right? 8-} -Tim > > > Peter Dueber, Esq. > HIVNET Statistical Center > Fred Hutchinson Cancer Research Center > Phone: 206.667.6568 > Fax : 206.667.4812 > Email: peter@hivnet.fhcrc.org > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From jimfl at colltech.com Mon Oct 18 15:25:21 1999 From: jimfl at colltech.com (jimfl) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SPUG meetings -- a least path analy In-Reply-To: <19991016091346.B59450@sabami.seaslug.org> Message-ID: <351130.3149241921@erdos.nwest.attws.com> --On Sat, Oct 16, 1999 9:13 AM -0700 Scott Blachowicz wrote: > I bet that the geographical center is in the middle of the Lake... Bill Gates' place is not too far from there. I'm sure there are plenty of spiffy conference rooms there. -- Jim Flanagan Collective Technologies jimfl@colltech.com http://www.colltech.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From gareth.beale at boeing.com Tue Oct 19 16:51:40 1999 From: gareth.beale at boeing.com (Gareth Beale) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: "Perl Annotated Archives" by Martin Brown Message-ID: <199910192151.OAA25066@klawatti> ----- Begin Included Message ----- Anybody have any experience with this book? Is it worth getting? Thanks Bob Borrell ----- End Included Message ----- I have it in front of me right now. I borrowed it from the Tech Library at work. I have only looked at some of the examples for sysadmin utilities. So far it doesn't seem to me to be programming at a particularly high level, but I have only looked thoroughly at a half dozen or so pages. There are some sections on subjects I know nothing at all about, and perhaps they would more useful to me. So far I haven't seen anything that would prompt me to buy it. Gareth Beale Gareth Beale (425) 865-5375 # e-mail: The Boeing Company # gareth.beale@boeing.com P.O. Box 3707, MC 7J-04 # Seattle, Wa. 98124-2207 # fax: (425) 865-2221 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From cris at quetzaltenango.com Tue Oct 19 20:54:04 1999 From: cris at quetzaltenango.com (cris@quetzaltenango.com) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: New Meeting Location: Update In-Reply-To: <199910171804.LAA10758@catmanor.com>; from "William Julien" on 17 Oct 1999 References: <199910171804.LAA10758@catmanor.com> Message-ID: <19991019185404.A31966@quetzaltenango.com> > >Whether or not "SPUG-lurker A" will attend a meeting at "Location B" > >might be influenced to some degree by driving distance, driving time, > > > SpeakEasy, Downtown Seattle > > (although some have doubts about basic suitability, > > cheaper than Fred's, and with better drinks) very good choice :) re the driving.. some of us don't, so please keep public transportability in mind - folks already on the east side are far more likely to have a car. hope to see yall soon, was looking forward to tonight but i think i ate too much of the seattle shanghai cake... mrrh - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Richard.Anderson at seaslug.org Wed Oct 20 16:43:34 1999 From: Richard.Anderson at seaslug.org (Richard Anderson) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Carriage returns saved in parsed data? References: Message-ID: <009801bf1b88$ea126700$f087c7cd@adcom133> This question is more an HTML question than a Perl question, you might get a better response by posting to the HTML Usenet newsgroups. Richard.Anderson@seaslug.org www.zipcon.com/~starfire/home (personal) www.raycosoft.com (corporate) ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Dahlquist To: Sent: Friday, October 15, 1999 7:15 PM Subject: SPUG: Carriage returns saved in parsed data? > Hi all - > > This is my first post, and I expect this is a simple question. I've got a > basic setup where a form processes a text field, and writes the data to an > HTML page. > > I'm hoping there's a simple way to preserve any carriage returns in the text > field, without putting a
around the variable in the HTML. I've > seen it done, I just haven't been able to track down the point in a script > that does it. Any suggestions? > > Thanks - > > Michael > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address > > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Greg.Padden at metrokc.gov Fri Oct 22 13:51:08 1999 From: Greg.Padden at metrokc.gov (Padden, Greg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error. Message-ID: Hi all, hope you can shed some light on my problem. I'm converting a perl bulletin board script over to a NT box running IIS and use the CGI.pm module for the first time.. When I run the following script, and after I enter the subroutine process_post, I get an "Out of memory"??? error on the output page. I have sucessfully opened and closed the same file in a previous subroutine using the code: open(BULLFILE, $STATUSBOARDFILE)|| bail ("cannot open $STATUSBOARDFILE $!"); my @filecontent = ; close(BULLFILE); Does anybody know why I get the out of memory error? sub process_post { print start_html('Processing Post'); print "poster=".param('poster_name')."=

"; print "subject=". param('subject')."=

"; print "post_body=". param('post_body')."=

"; print end_html; my $date = strftime('%D',localtime); my @filecontent = ; close(BULLFILE); print start_html('done with loading'); print "

Done with loading=

"; print end_html; } # end of new_post subroutine Greg Padden Network Engineer, MCSE King County Department of Infomation and Administrative Services (206)263-4804 Fax:(206)263-4834 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From Greg.Padden at metrokc.gov Fri Oct 22 15:00:37 1999 From: Greg.Padden at metrokc.gov (Padden, Greg) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: FW: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error. Message-ID: -----Original Message----- From: Padden, Greg Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 12:54 PM To: Padden, Greg Subject: RE: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error. I found that the line: my $date = strftime('%D',localtime); Is causing the problem. -----Original Message----- From: Padden, Greg [mailto:Greg.Padden@metrokc.gov] Sent: Friday, October 22, 1999 11:51 AM To: spug-list@pm.org Subject: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error. Hi all, hope you can shed some light on my problem. I'm converting a perl bulletin board script over to a NT box running IIS and use the CGI.pm module for the first time.. When I run the following script, and after I enter the subroutine process_post, I get an "Out of memory"??? error on the output page. I have sucessfully opened and closed the same file in a previous subroutine using the code: open(BULLFILE, $STATUSBOARDFILE)|| bail ("cannot open $STATUSBOARDFILE $!"); my @filecontent = ; close(BULLFILE); Does anybody know why I get the out of memory error? sub process_post { print start_html('Processing Post'); print "poster=".param('poster_name')."=

"; print "subject=". param('subject')."=

"; print "post_body=". param('post_body')."=

"; print end_html; my $date = strftime('%D',localtime); my @filecontent = ; close(BULLFILE); print start_html('done with loading'); print "

Done with loading=

"; print end_html; } # end of new_post subroutine Greg Padden Network Engineer, MCSE King County Department of Infomation and Administrative Services (206)263-4804 Fax:(206)263-4834 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From dragon at dreamhaven.net Fri Oct 22 18:06:46 1999 From: dragon at dreamhaven.net (Mikel Tidwell) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SSL Lockout Message-ID: Hey everyone, My first question for the forum isn't directly related to perl, but it's close... :> I am researching how to "lock out" browsers from a site/page/script if they don't have 128bit encryption in their browsers, but have come up with nothing so far. Using apache 1.3.9, and mod_perl, it can be through the scripts themsleves, or server control (they're not picky, as long as it works). I know this is possible because my University used to reject access to its registration if you didn't have the high encryption. Any help is appreciated :> _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ -- Mikel Tidwell President: RPGamer -- http://www.rpgamer.com Sysadmin: DreamHaven - http://www.dreamhaven.com ICQ: 9187899 Home Page -- http://www.dreamhaven.org/~dragon/ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - _ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From puckett at nwlink.com Fri Oct 22 18:49:00 1999 From: puckett at nwlink.com (Richard A. Puckett II) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: SSL Lockout References: Message-ID: <3810F7EC.7AFC6E2C@nwlink.com> Mikel Tidwell wrote: > > My first question for the forum isn't directly related to perl, > but it's close... :> Hm, not really... But go to www.apache-ssl.org and start reading. :) - Richard. - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Fri Oct 22 19:27:43 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: FW: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error. In-Reply-To: Mail from '"Padden, Greg" ' dated: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 13:00:37 -0700 Message-ID: <199910230027.RAA21755@catmanor.com> > >I found that the line: >my $date = strftime('%D',localtime); > >Is causing the problem. > Does your code include the proper 'use...' statement? eg: -->perl -dpe 42 Loading DB routines from perl5db.pl version 1.0401 Emacs support available. Enter h or `h h' for help. main::(-e:0): BEGIN { require 'perl5db.pl' };LINE: while (<>) { DB<1> use POSIX qw(strftime); DB<2> $date = strftime('%D',localtime); DB<3> print "$date" 10/22/99 DB<4> q An "out of memory" is a pretty bizzare error. But I suppose that is "par" for a microsoft platform. _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From dougb at scalar.org Fri Oct 22 20:25:51 1999 From: dougb at scalar.org (Doug Beaver) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: [dougb@scalar.org: Re: FW: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error.] Message-ID: <19991022182551.A17278@scalar.org> Just realized that I only replied to Greg on this and not the list... I also realized from William Julien's reply that strftime is also in the POSIX module (I thought it was only in Date::Format). If you use the strftime in POSIX, it's even faster than the time2str in Date::Format: Benchmark: timing 10000 iterations of strftime, time2str... strftime: 1 wallclock secs ( 1.38 usr + 0.03 sys = 1.41 CPU) time2str: 3 wallclock secs ( 2.56 usr + 0.02 sys = 2.59 CPU) Only thing is, I'm pretty sure that NT doesn't have a full POSIX implementation, so maybe Greg should try Date::Format if he was using the POSIX version of strftime before, it could be that there's a bug in NT's implementation. I've never used perl on NT before, so I am completely clueless in this regard, someone please speak up if they have more accurate info or a better idea... Doug ----- Forwarded message from Doug Beaver ----- Date: Fri, 22 Oct 1999 14:37:32 -0700 From: Doug Beaver To: "Padden, Greg" Subject: Re: FW: SPUG: Perl IIS and Out of Memory error. X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Padden, Greg on Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 01:00:37PM -0700 On Fri, Oct 22, 1999 at 01:00:37PM -0700, Padden, Greg wrote: > > I found that the line: > my $date = strftime('%D',localtime); > > Is causing the problem. You should check your error logs, perl should be saying something like: Type of arg 2 to Date::Format::strftime must be array (not localtime) at /home/dougb/strftime line 3, near "localtime)" The reason is that strftime has a prototype on it that requires an array, you have to do this: my @lt = localtime; my $date = strftime('%d', localtime); A better solution would to skip strftime altogether and use time2str, it's faster: my $date = time2str('%d', time); Benchmarks included below: % perl use strict; use Benchmark; use Date::Format; my $count = shift || 10000; timethese($count, { 'time2str' => sub { my $date = time2str('%d', time); }, 'strftime' => sub { my @lt = localtime; my $date = strftime('%d', @lt); } }); Benchmark: timing 10000 iterations of strftime, time2str... strftime: 5 wallclock secs ( 5.90 usr + 0.05 sys = 5.95 CPU) time2str: 3 wallclock secs ( 2.54 usr + 0.08 sys = 2.62 CPU) Doug -- Smithers: I'm afraid we have a bad image, Sir. Market research shows people see you as somewhat of an ogre. Burns: I ought to club them and eat their bones! ----- End forwarded message ----- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From mmertel at ix.netcom.com Mon Oct 18 14:00:13 1999 From: mmertel at ix.netcom.com (Mark Mertel) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: CPAN errors Message-ID: <99101812020603.00471@mmertel3> all, getting an error running cpan on an HPUX 10.20 machine: There seems to be running another CPAN process (25192). Contacting... Other job is running. You may want to kill it and delete the lockfile, maybe. On UNIX try: kill 25192 rm /.cpan/.lock problem is, this is the same PID as the cpan process I am running. what gives ? thanks mark mertel mmertel@ix.netcom.com - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From moonbeam at catmanor.com Sat Oct 23 23:53:12 1999 From: moonbeam at catmanor.com (William Julien) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:36 2004 Subject: SPUG: can't resolve symbol 'SetCPerlObj' Message-ID: <199910240453.VAA28524@catmanor.com> When trying to do a "make test" on GD-1.22 module, I get the following error. Does anybody know what I'm missing? -->make test PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/local/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00502/i586-linux -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00502 -e 'use Test::Harness qw(&runtests $verbose); $verbose=0; runtests @ARGV;' t/*.t t/GD................/usr/local/bin/perl: can't resolve symbol 'SetCPerlObj' Can't load './blib/arch/auto/GD/GD.so' for module GD: Unable to resolve symbol at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00502/i586-linux/DynaLoader.pm line 168. I think I have all the prerequsites, like zlib libpng ttf xpm. I don't get it. _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. (,__....----''' (,..--'' perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From bwacher at acm.org Sun Oct 24 13:26:55 1999 From: bwacher at acm.org (Bernard Wacher) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:37 2004 Subject: SPUG: can't resolve symbol 'SetCPerlObj' References: <199910240453.VAA28524@catmanor.com> Message-ID: <38134F6F.18FD7336@acm.org> I think that it has something to do with the fact that that dynamic linking is not supported with the latest gd. I am not sure about this, so let me know when you find out. I've run into the same problem before. Cheers, bernie. William Julien wrote: > When trying to do a "make test" on GD-1.22 module, I get the following > error. Does anybody know what I'm missing? > > -->make test > PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/local/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00502/i586-linux -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00502 -e 'use Test::Harness qw(&runtests $verbose); $verbose=0; runtests @ARGV;' t/*.t > t/GD................/usr/local/bin/perl: can't resolve symbol 'SetCPerlObj' > Can't load './blib/arch/auto/GD/GD.so' for module GD: Unable to resolve symbol at /usr/lib/perl5/5.00502/i586-linux/DynaLoader.pm line 168. > > I think I have all the prerequsites, like zlib libpng ttf xpm. > I don't get it. > > _,'| _.-''``-...___..--'; > /, \'. _..-' , ,--...--''' > < \ .`--''' ` /| William Julien moonbeam@catmanor.com > `-,;' ; ; ; http://www.catmanor.com/moonbeam/ > __...--'' __...--_..' .;.' vi is my shepherd; i shall not font. > (,__....----''' (,..--'' > perl -e 'print $i=pack(c5,(41*2),sqrt(7056),(unpack(c,H)-2),oct(115),10);' > > - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - > POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org > Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ > SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe > Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From tim at consultix-inc.com Fri Oct 29 10:39:19 1999 From: tim at consultix-inc.com (Tim Maher/CONSULTIX) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:37 2004 Subject: SPUG: Mailing lists are back? Message-ID: <199910291539.IAA02201@consultix.wa.com> >> Message submitted at: Fri Oct 29 08:39:19 PDT 1999 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Length: 966 Can you see this? According to brian d foy: > parts of majordomo have been working for the past two days, so anything > sent to the lists was archived and digested, just not resent. once a > permissions problem was fixed, resend starting working too. :) > > there might be individual list wierdness, but as a whole, things appear to > be working now. > > -- > brian d foy > Director of Technology, Smith Renaud, Inc. > 875 Avenue of the Americas, 2510, New York, NY 10001 > V: (212) 239-8985 *==================================================================* | Tim Maher, PhD CEO, Consultix & (206) 781-UNIX/8649 | | Pacific Software Gurus, Inc. Email: tim@consultix-inc.com | | "The UNIX/Perl Training Experts" http://www.consultix-inc.com | |Classes: 11/1 Shell/Utils 11/15 Adv Shell 12/7 LINUX 12/13 Perl| *==================================================================* - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address From toddw at wrq.com Fri Oct 29 12:20:21 1999 From: toddw at wrq.com (Todd Wells) Date: Wed Aug 4 00:09:37 2004 Subject: SPUG: Date::Calc install problems Message-ID: <1654BC972546D31189DA00508B318AC86608D5@charmander.wrq.com> I'm trying to install the Date::Calc module and I'm having problems compiling it. I'm using RedHat Linux 5.2 with perl 5.00503. Can one of you give me a clue what to do here -- some sort of header conflict? Maybe one of you can point me in the right direction. Here's the correspondence I've had with the Date::Calc author: > Here's what I got: > > #make > cc -c -Dbool=char -DHAS_BOOL -I/usr/local/include -02 -DVERSION=\"4.2\" -DXS_VERSION=\"4.2\" -fpic -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux/CORE Calc.c > In file included from Calc.xs:15: > /usr/lib/perl5/5.00503/i386-linux/CORE/perl.h:2546: redefinition of 'union semun' This is a conflict between perl.h and one of your system header files (probably one of "/usr/include/*.h"), it has nothing to do with my module. > make: *** [Calc.o] Error 1 > # - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - POST TO: spug-list@pm.org PROBLEMS: owner-spug-list@pm.org Seattle Perl Users Group (SPUG) Home Page: http://www.halcyon.com/spug/ SUBSCRIBE/UNSUBSCRIBE: Replace ACTION below by subscribe or unsubscribe Email to majordomo@pm.org: ACTION spug-list your_address